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China is testing new aircraft engines

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On the Chinese portal people.cn, there were photos of J-10B fighters, on which Taihang engines manufactured in China are installed, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.


China is testing new aircraft engines


No characteristics of the tested units are given.

According to the newspaper, “this code hides a number of jet engines that were created in China: WS-10, WS-10A, WS-10G, and also WS-20”.

Earlier, Chinese engines were installed on Chinese aircraft, for example, J-10 are equipped with AL-31FN turbojet engines. They were also equipped with the first J-10B.
However, in September, WS-10A engines began to test these fighters.

As for the WS-20, it is designed for the heavy Chinese Y-20 transporter, which can become a competitor to the Russian Il-76 aircraft.



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  1. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 17 November 2015 16: 29 New
    +4
    China is not sleeping however ......
    1. vkl-47
      vkl-47 17 November 2015 16: 34 New
      -13
      J10b looks suspiciously like a moment. In my opinion 31. I don’t remember exactly
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 17 November 2015 16: 36 New
        +6
        And the engines are surely a copy of ours!
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 17 November 2015 17: 06 New
          +8
          The problem is materials science. They need to catch up with several decades. Dumb copy does not do. But they try and always come on their own, even if it breaks (tank biathlon)
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 17 November 2015 18: 09 New
            +6
            Quote: Foxmara
            The problem is materials science. They need to catch up with several decades. Dumb copy does not do. But they try and always come on their own, even if it breaks (tank biathlon)

            recourse they lure our specialists, they train us with us / whether, so about several decades - this is a very good situation for us, I'm afraid that in 5-15 years they’ll catch up thanks to espionage and corrupt creatures. And thanks to the developed machine tool industry and finances, the involvement of scientists, it is easier for them to put on conveyors, even if the engines were slightly outdated by that time, similar in terms of technical characteristics to our existing ones.
        2. Maxom75
          Maxom75 17 November 2015 17: 22 New
          +1
          Materials !!! Reliability!!! Efficiency!!! Here they are still far from ours. And ours do not stop, they develop engines on distance principles, these miracle engines are more economical and last longer. Engines can make units in the world, so this is really a problem for the Chinese. It is also necessary to remove the plant from the Donbass for the production of blades, then the Ukrainians will be able to close their "motor". Yes, and motor Sich bring to us would not hurt.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 17 November 2015 17: 50 New
            +9
            Quote: Maxom75
            overитаnational principles

            ... dеtone / dеNazification / um ... dеfloret ...
          2. serg 21
            serg 21 17 November 2015 21: 01 New
            +1
            And why take the factory out of Donbass? After all, snowy in the DPR. Recognize the DNI and all things.
          3. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 17 November 2015 21: 52 New
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            Quote: Maxom75
            And ours do not stop, they develop engines on distance principles, these miracle engines are more economical and last longer.

            I beg you dear: - "Do not make people laugh." All this in the distant future, at least until the first prototype of 25-30 years at best.
        3. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 17 November 2015 20: 43 New
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          J10b looks suspiciously like a moment. In my opinion 31. I don’t remember exactly

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          Baikonur (5) SU Today, 16: 36 ↑

          And the engines are surely a copy of ours!
          Mikoyan / Gurevich Mig-21M (E-8) http://avia-museum.narod.ru/russia/mig-21m_add.html............. MIG 23, no predateli slili proekt
        4. gladcu2
          gladcu2 17 November 2015 23: 28 New
          0
          Baikonur

          No need to be ironic. Be realistic.

          Most likely their own engines.

          With such a technological base, you can already make your own engines. Although fundamentally new in this area is difficult to come up with.

          Mostly the difference in the materials used.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 17 November 2015 16: 39 New
        +3
        Quote: vkl-47
        J10b looks suspiciously like a moment. In my opinion 31

        For what!? belay
        1. mvg
          mvg 17 November 2015 16: 59 New
          10
          On MiG-28, from Top Gan, with Tom Cruise. One to one ... crying
          There in the recommendations for improving the site .. you need to make an age and intellectual restriction.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 17 November 2015 18: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          For what!?

          Well, he does not remember !!! But similar laughing
      3. hrych
        hrych 17 November 2015 16: 39 New
        +4
        Hurry on Eurofighter
        1. avt
          avt 17 November 2015 16: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          Hurry on Eurofighter

          no Israeli ,, Lavi "c modified from the MiG-23 air intake. Yes, like the Jews and participated in the creation and cooperation.
          1. sovetskyturist
            sovetskyturist 17 November 2015 20: 51 New
            0
            MIG 21 E [E-8] \ MIG 23
      4. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 November 2015 16: 43 New
        +1
        There are a lot of primary sources: "Kfir", "Mirage", F-16, possibly MiG-1.44.
        1. Efimov
          Efimov 17 November 2015 16: 48 New
          +5
          twink - 1.44 is very similar
      5. inkass_98
        inkass_98 17 November 2015 16: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: vkl-47
        J10b is suspiciously like a moment. In my opinion 31.

        On the prototype 1.44, the fifth generation that did not go into the series.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 November 2015 17: 28 New
          11
          Still - Lavi:
          1. SAG
            SAG 17 November 2015 17: 37 New
            0
            At least one person in the know what the fighter was made with. Israel itself went for cooperation. You +
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 21: 24 New
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Still - Lavi:

            Definitely, of course, "Lavi."
            We do not care, but you are pleased. laughing

            PS Of course I’m joking, Alexey. Good evening, colleague. hi
          3. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 17 November 2015 21: 56 New
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Still - Lavi:

            Alexei, and “Lavi” - is that sorry?
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 17 November 2015 23: 26 New
              +1
              Quote: cherkas.oe
              Alexei, and “Lavi” - is that sorry?


              Oleg, what’s in the photo, two comments above. yes
      6. pilot8878
        pilot8878 17 November 2015 17: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: vkl-47
        It looks like a moment. In my opinion 31.

        MiG 1.44 IFI was meant, apparently. And even then, if only the "duck" and the location of the air intake.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 17 November 2015 19: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: pilot8878
          MiG 1.44 IFI was meant, apparently.

          Unlike the MiG 1.44, the Chinese have one engine and one keel.
          The first information about the new Chinese fighter appeared in the open press in October 1994, when, citing American space intelligence, it was reported that a plane was being built at the Chengdu plant, resembling and resembling the Eurofighter EF 2000 fighter or Dassault Rafal fighter. With the appearance of the first photos of the car, meticulous experts immediately concluded: Israel could not do without it. A very new Chinese plane resembled the Israeli Lavi. smile
      7. mQn
        mQn 17 November 2015 17: 46 New
        +1
        You mixed up with MiG 1.44
      8. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 17 November 2015 18: 12 New
        0
        The Chinese mixed MiG-1.44 and F-16. As in the joke: "What happens if you cross a snake with a hedgehog"? So here it will turn out!
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 17 November 2015 18: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: 16112014nk
          : "What happens if you cross a snake with a hedgehog"?

          The barbed wire will work out! But how do you know "Oka" you know?
      9. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 November 2015 18: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: vkl-47
        It looks like a moment. In my opinion 31

        Mig 1.44
      10. goncharov.62
        goncharov.62 17 November 2015 18: 35 New
        -2
        This is the sold documentation on the MiG-1.44 IFI. In iron and flies, by the way ... Echoes of the 90s and the "perestroika". Hi tagged!
    2. Alagez
      Alagez 17 November 2015 19: 30 New
      +1
      today I just wrote that the Chinese in Ufa came to UMPO probably for technology
      1. Wheel
        Wheel 18 November 2015 00: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Alagez
        today I just wrote that the Chinese in Ufa came to UMPO probably for technology

        Since the end of the 80s, they have been rubbing on all aircraft engine plants and design bureaus ...
  2. mag nit
    mag nit 17 November 2015 16: 30 New
    +1
    Greased, oblique.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 17 November 2015 16: 35 New
      +3
      Soon the Chinese engine market will stop for us, we need to look for other markets.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 17 November 2015 17: 02 New
        +3
        The Chinese have always had problems with gas turbine blades. Therefore, the engine life was small. With bearings, the problem was probably solved.
  3. IAlex
    IAlex 17 November 2015 16: 33 New
    +1
    Well, well done, for they are engaged in business, and not empty, driven at public expense ...
  4. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 17 November 2015 16: 34 New
    0
    Hammers!
    We will buy them soon.
    And engines, and then planes.
    1. shans2
      shans2 17 November 2015 16: 59 New
      0
      Yes, Ukraine needs it wassat
  5. meriem1
    meriem1 17 November 2015 16: 37 New
    +7
    It is possible to copy or make similar if you so desire. It remains to find out what is the resource and traction !!! The Yankees with all their RD-180 technologies, which they put on ATLAS .... cannot repeat, and they are talking directly about it. We look. The Chinese are very hardworking and persistent!
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 November 2015 16: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: meriem1
      It is possible to copy or make similar if you so desire. It remains to find out what is the resource and traction !!! The Yankees with all their RD-180 technologies, which they put on ATLAS .... cannot repeat, and they are talking directly about it. We look. The Chinese are very hardworking and persistent!



      Experts will correct me, the Chinese can do a lot, they have problems with alloys and nozzles, if I can repeat then they do not need us.
      1. Cartman
        Cartman 17 November 2015 16: 46 New
        +4
        Americans say: name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 17 November 2015 16: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Cartman
          Americans say: name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder.
          Some historians have, and to gunpowder, pritenziya. hi
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 17 November 2015 16: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: Cartman
          Americans say: name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder.

          Compass; porcelain, silk and a bunch of things. For fun, go to Wikipedia and drive into the search engine "List of inventions made in China." You will be amazed.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 17 November 2015 18: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Amurets
            Compass; porcelain, silk and a bunch of things. For fun, go to Wikipedia and drive into the search engine "List of inventions made in China." You will be amazed.

            laughing I think upon closer examination it turns out that it was all invented by the Vietnamese, Mongols, Indians and others - where the Chinese used to go with the war ... It really seems that all inventions throw us as civilization develops, and often at the same time to different points on the planet. wink
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 17 November 2015 19: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Amurets
            Compass; porcelain, silk and a bunch of things.

            Seismometer.
        3. V.ic
          V.ic 17 November 2015 17: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: Cartman
          name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder

          Will silk fabric suit you?
          1. andj61
            andj61 17 November 2015 18: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: V.ic
            Quote: Cartman
            name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder

            Will silk fabric suit you?

            In addition to gunpowder, you can call a compass, rockets. But with the silk fabric troubles: it is absolutely known that it was produced in Greece and Byzantium from about the beginning of our era, that is, 2000 years ago. The mulberry (mulberry tree) grows fine here, and the mulberry silkworm is found. The Chinese seem to have begun to produce silk 300-500 years later, but this is not known for sure. But whoever stole technology from anyone - the Greeks from the Chinese, or the Chinese from the Greeks - a mystery covered in darkness! I’ll put it on the Chinese - technology theft is the national Chinese sport! bully
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar 17 November 2015 21: 38 New
              0
              However, the Chinese were selling silk, they were selling to the same Greeks ... The road was silk ... By the way, the price of silk was more expensive than gold ... per kg. silk gave more kg of gold ... Porcelain had the same price ...
        4. Karlovar
          Karlovar 17 November 2015 21: 32 New
          0
          Paper, paper banknotes, bills (bank transfer, in fact) - a revolution in finance ... A blast furnace is a revolution in metallurgy, as a result in agriculture, technology .... Compass revolution in marine navigation .... Ice cream- it's the little things .... Everyone knows about gunpowder ... Crossbow (a bunch of varieties, large and small), 1000 years earlier than Europe ... Puff steel ....
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  6. ser-pov
    ser-pov 17 November 2015 16: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Cartman
    Americans say: name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder.

    Well, this is enough for the eyes ...
  7. roskot
    roskot 17 November 2015 17: 01 New
    +1
    The Chinese are not standing still. Silently, calmly doing their job.
  8. Platonich
    Platonich 17 November 2015 17: 06 New
    +1
    Yes guys! This is not some banana republic. This is China !!! We will soon be far from them ...
  9. Papapg
    Papapg 17 November 2015 17: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: roskot
    The Chinese are not standing still. Silently, calmly doing their job

    And we probably need, as in the Second World War, they will do the plant in a bare field and set the task. And the initiative, as you know, is punishable, that's it, and we are waiting, from the team to do something. Our factory was “bombed by Muscovites,” and specialists have equipment and workshops, but no one thought about using it in “import substitution,” and in a couple of three years this will not resolve.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 November 2015 19: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Papapg
      We plant-factory "bombed Muscovites"

      Here they are beyond competition! In our country too, where problems appear, problems and collapse begin.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 17 November 2015 21: 19 New
        +3
        And don’t talk. In Cheboksary, Muscovites also stole one of the best KhBCs in the Volga region (and even in Russia). Guess what's in his buildings now? Right, the mall ...
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 November 2015 17: 27 New
    +1
    Problems with engines (turbine blades) among the Chinese were, are and will be. There are problems not only with the composition of the material, but also with the manufacturing technology, coatings and the application of thermal barrier. They have long reported on the “victory” in copying our engines, but only with the resource and the accident rate they strained. If the resource is 200 hours, and ours has 2500, how many extra replacement engines do they need? With an average flight time of 150 hours per year per pilot (and good would be better 250-300).
    It’s too early for them to “push us”. About ten years we still have.
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 November 2015 17: 52 New
    +8
    The F16 engine has a 6000h resource, we are also lagging behind in something ....
  12. vkl-47
    vkl-47 17 November 2015 19: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: pilot8878
    Quote: vkl-47
    It looks like a moment. In my opinion 31.

    MiG 1.44 IFI was meant, apparently. And even then, if only the "duck" and the location of the air intake.

    Thank you for correcting, and then there were clever people who immediately zaminnuyut from their mental retardation in development
  13. sir_obs
    sir_obs 17 November 2015 19: 46 New
    +1
    Yes, all svmerlets are identical with wings. The issue is not external resemblance; appearance is determined by aerodynamics. The question is in the internal content and this is not just about filling.

    A good aircraft cannot be built without fundamental science in a wide variety of fields. The same metals. ... A Chinese Kalashnikov assault rifle, olin in one of our assault rifles, but it is made of shit. What affects his performance characteristics.
    So with the plane. Copying the appearance is not enough, you need to reproduce the production technology. In the intricacies in a variety of directions, not to mention creating something new.
  14. msd
    msd 17 November 2015 22: 06 New
    +1
    What engines !?
    You look at the resource of Chinese Kalash and ours!
  15. Orionvit
    Orionvit 18 November 2015 01: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    And the engines are surely a copy of ours!

    Aircraft engine is not a product so that it can be stupidly copied. It needs to be developed, then made on the basis of design documentation, then brought to mind on testing, then developed technological documentation for production, then again the necessary cycle of tests and debugging, and only then it turns out something like an aircraft engine. Which all the same, in the production process it is necessary to constantly refine, which only competent designers who created it can do well. And it sometimes takes more than one year. For example. China has long been riveting copies of the AI-20 engine, and so what. Motor is 60 years old, in addition, it is relatively simple. However, the Chinese copies do not reach the originals either in terms of power, or in specific fuel consumption, or in noise, and most importantly in reliability. Not a single Chinese pilot will fly by plane if out of four engines (the AN-12 fleet is large) at least two are not worth Zaporizhzhya, as they are said to be native and fail-safe. And to construct an engine is much more difficult than an airplane. Thus, I can confidently say that in such areas as aircraft engine manufacturing, rocketry, and aviation in general, simply copying will not give good results.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 18 November 2015 05: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Orionvit
      Aircraft engine is not a product so that it can be stupidly copied. It needs to be developed, then made on the basis of design documentation,

      I’ll say a criminal thing, let the patriots blame me. But Russia has never had ICE of its own design except for the AM-Mikulin and B-2 series; M-30 and M-40 (Too many designers worked here, which is difficult to list. Unfortunately, many of them fell into the Gulag). All other engines are either licensed engines or copied. I do not mean gas turbines, there is our own domestic school. Look at how much effort it took to finish these engines. There are books on pre-war engine building about designers Shvetsov, Klimov, Mikulin. And, in principle, until we mastered the production of steels with special properties, heat-resistant cast irons and other materials, we had motor construction in the paddock. Come on, by any means, and the fact that the piston rings crumbled, the bearings broke made from the wrong materials, these are the machinations of the enemies of the people. And only the need for the production of Tu-4 (B-29) and familiarization of our scientists and designers with Western technologies, and that even the requirements of the nuclear industry have pushed our science and technology sharply forward. The Chinese may have mastered the production of gas turbine engines, but it will take a lot of time, because until there is a school in special metallurgy, they will not build their high-quality engines for the design and testing and development of engines.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 November 2015 02: 41 New
    0
    Let them test, let them build.
    What do they have, what fleet we need to update
    at least 50%.
    And we will sell our engines, if anything, to non-Chinese.
  17. cap
    cap 18 November 2015 05: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: andj61
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: Cartman
    name at least one thing that the Chinese would come up with, with the exception of gunpowder

    The most visible invention, in recent years, their Marxists go in suits from famous brands sewn in factories in China and pay with a plastic card of their Chinese brand. Yuan will soon become the reserve currency.
    Some smoke aside, non-smokers "optimize."