Ukraine intends to launch production of Chinese training aircraft in Odessa

Between Ukraine and China, there is a preliminary agreement on the creation of capacities for the production of Chinese combat training aircraft Hongdu L-15, reports RIA News message Ukrainian resource "Duma".

Production of L-15 is planned to start at the Odessa Aviation Enterprise, but first you need to increase its capacity. It is expected that in this plant will help the Chinese experts.

“Initially, production was going to be launched already in 2016, but the process was slightly suspended, and only the first meeting with the Chinese will take place early next year, designed to settle all the details of the contract,” a military source told the publication.

The resource notes that "the number of storm troopers purchased and the value of the contract have not been disclosed yet."

Comments

[meriem1]

Will be on what new developments such as MANPADS to test ...

[oleg-gr]

The degradation of the outskirts is obvious. Where is the promised prosperity? So that the whole of the Russian Federation in saliva asked there ...

[nvn_co]

А в чем заключается, по Вашему мнению, деградация? В том, что собрались собирать китайские "парты"? То, что авиастроение развалено в Украине - это понятно, но то что они типа пытаются что-то сделать или собрать чужое - это вполне разумное решение, если свои мощности уже не позволяют. Можно меня заминусовать, но уважаемый oleg-gr, пока только с Ваших уст видна степень деградации... При чем к этой теме процветание? И еще один вопрос, а Вы сами, что сделали такого, чтобы гордо хаять другую страну и народ. Не все в Украине одинаковы!!! Запомните это! И в чем деградация? На российские сторожевики будут ставить китайские двигатели! Это тоже деградация?

[Mista_dj]

The degradation is that the country that once built cosmos. rockets and ships of the ocean class, now with difficulty (and not an obvious result) is trying to build an assembly of Chinese junk!
Installing Chinese power plants on Russian watchdogs is not just degradation, but a shame!

[nvn_co]

I agree with you! Because it’s short, distinct , culturally and politely. И без попытки укусить, пусть и в большущей "смуте", но все же близкие по родству и народности государство, за что Вам большое спасибо. Хотел бы только добавить, что в контексте данной статьи и комментария, уважаемого oleg-gr, попытка собирать чужие, китайские самолеты - это попытка нормальных людей остановить деградацию и развал, что не совсем сходится со смыслом фразы: "Деградация Окраины налицо", которая была выпущена в пустоту и почему-то мне кажется просто что бы 3,14-уть (прошу прощение за французский), али ради "+"-ков. И еще L-15 не такой уж и плохой "пепелац", видел, трогал. Если утрированно, то более 70% его. сработали яковлевцы - знаю, видел, смотрел, разговаривал.

[Samaritan]

There is still news, I quietly groan and where these instructors could advance:
Lithuanian instructors will conduct training for Ukrainian troops. 15 soldiers from the motorized infantry battalion named after Prince Algirdas will soon arrive in Ukraine. Training will be held at the Yavorov training ground west of Lviv. This was reported by the Ministry of Defense of Lithuania. Lithuanians will teach servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) how to conduct offensive operations. Shooting will also be conducted.

Instructors from Lithuania coordinate the training program with representatives of the US Army.

[GDP]

It is not clear why in Odessa, aircraft factories are located in Kharkov?
But in general, the idea is understandable - instead of heavy passenger liners and transporters, which they planned to produce together with Russia, they will produce small training aircraft under a Chinese license and call it all - I’ll be able to.

[nvn_co]

In Odessa there is an aircraft repair plant. it seems even almost working, recently there is 21st for someone from Europe repaired. Aviation plants are not only in Kharkov ...

[bannik]

And in Odessa there is a teddy bear, ready to sell everything and everything for no reason what.
PS: Although whales for the Chinese can beat him on the head.

[nvn_co]

No, do not snitch. He's like a guinea pig. For their belly, they are still worried, until they are tired. And then they’ll write off, as always. But for the Chinese - it seems like it will be profitable. Many poor EU countries would replace the singing of UB-shki or UBS-sy, and from Ukraine it is quite easy to offer these wings with your L-15.

[avdkrd]

Quote: Samaritan

Lithuanian instructors will conduct training for Ukrainian troops.

Just beyond good and evil. Laughing to tears. Estonian who? Instructors? EXPERIENCED? White manovars ....

[Lord of the Sith]

Summary of the social and military situation in the DPR

(part I)

I'll start with the social network. Prices for food and essential goods are slowly growing, only not many products have fallen in price, but mainly prices are rising. But in pharmacies, on the contrary, the leadership of the republic managed to stop the price increase, and the price decreased for some items. But all this is a drop in the ocean. The promised increase in pensions by 30% did not happen. This is understandable, we are sitting on the neck of Russia, we are not paying taxes there, since we are not a constituent entity of the Russian Federation, but 2,5 billion rubles are allocated from the Russian budget for paying only pensions. Thank you so much! But in Russia now you yourself know the economic situation.
Regarding pensions, 80% of pensioners in our country receive two pensions - Ukrainian and Russian, as we call them. Although the leadership calls the Russian pension, help, but this help a penny in a penny coincides with the pension that Ukraine gives out. In general, Ukraine has not been giving out pensions here for more than a year here, motivating that the money will go to the "fighters". A. Zakharchenko, after being elected to the post of head, said: “This is your earned pension, take it away from Ukraine, while there is an opportunity to take it away.” Our people, by all sorts of tricks, and more often bribes, got on buses and took shape as immigrants in different regions of Ukraine, mainly Zaporizhzhya, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov. We went there several times and there for a bribe, sometimes without, we took out at different addresses. That is, for example, in a 5-storey building, instead of 40 families residing on the pension fund, 1500-2000 families were recorded. Etc. Ukraine began to put sticks in wheels, supposedly register in the Ministry of Emergencies as immigrants or bring two residents of the neighbors. In short, Kiev comes up with all this, but for a bribe of 1600 rubles, everything is done on the ground. Moreover, you don’t even have to go from Donetsk, the employees of the pension fund themselves come to Donetsk to collect a package of documents, for example, from 200 pensioners and they bring this package and draw up it themselves. He witnessed one case in the pension fund of the city of Zaporozhye, when a crush began in the crowd and people squeezed out the door. The boss came out and said: “Are these pensioners from Donetsk?” If your old people demolish everything, what will happen when the sons of the militia arrive? The Ukrainian army has no chance! ” Laughter swept through the crowd ...
While traveling by bus, nine block posts passed one way and nine block posts back. The first block is the post of the Armed Forces, the next two are the National Guard, and then there are 7 checkpoints of the Right Sector.

[Lord of the Sith]

At the AFU checkpoint - it’s dirty, underwear and pants hang dry after washing, everywhere there are some kind of bags, dirt. The soldiers themselves are in terrible condition, uniforms (not winter ones), torn. There are trenches and dugouts, at the bottom of which are also all sorts of cans and bags dirty. Two BMP-2 buried in the tower. Soldiers with machine guns and machine guns are grenade launchers. The soldiers themselves are without armored vehicles and helmets, but there are many shops for machine guns and grenades. People on buses behave easily and correctly. These will fight.
Then there are two checkpoints of the National Guard - everything is clean, American uniforms, helmets, armor plates, knee pads and elbow pieces, even black American lanterns, walkie-talkies. There is no equipment at all, from heavy weapons one machine gun for 12 National Guard. There are no trenches, not even concrete blocks. On soldiers on 4 shops to the machine gun, there are grenades. They do not stay for the night, they are brought by a school bus. People on buses behave nervously. These will run at the first cannonade.
Then the PS checkpoint block, again dirty, they are mainly located at the former traffic police posts. They look like drunks, not shaved and not tidy, who are dressed in what much. Banks are standing asking for help with money, blocks are with inscriptions on Putin and Russia. There is no equipment, there are a couple of jeeps, but without a heavy. weapons. PS militants have machine guns and 2 stores each, no grenades. The commander has a walkie-talkie and a machine gun and unloading with 4 stores. They behave impudently and rudely with people on buses. These will tell everyone that they fought! They will run from positions faster than the National Guard ...
In Zaporozhye itself, ordinary people and workers, and even some bosses, are very kind and understanding towards retirees. Many asked when the DNI and LC will go on the offensive?

[Lord of the Sith]

(part II)

Now about the military situation.
Over the past few days, the situation has sharply worsened, especially in the middle of the week, and on the contrary, shelling and fighting began to subside over the weekend. There were almost no fights on Sunday.
Another trouble, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began shelling Donetsk and Gorlovka during the day, moreover, without adhering to any schemes. If in the summer we are used to the fact that the shelling starts at 20 o’clock, and the battles are at 22, it was darker earlier in the autumn and the schedule moved, the shelling began at 17 o’clock, and the fighting was at 19. Now the schedule has changed, and it happens, the shelling starts, and then mid-day collisions. And so it starts spontaneously and also unexpectedly ends. On weekends, it was at 12:30 on Saturday and at 14:00 on Sunday.
What is the danger of such shelling? In the evening, in the dark, the OSCE leaves for its hotel, and the Ukrainians begin their provocations and shelling, sometimes they dare and go on the attack. Accordingly, people have gotten used to this schedule for a year and a half and are hiding in their homes, and on the outskirts and basements. And now, during the day, mothers and children are walking around, pensioners for humanitarian aid and a pharmacy are in a hurry, and indeed, with the return of many residents from Russia, the streets have become very numerous. And here the bangs begin, and not mortar at all. Earlier in the afternoon, there were a lot of kids in the yards and in about 15 minutes to 17 hours they drove everyone home, at about 17 the first bangs started ... And now, artillery bombardment suddenly begins, respectively, there is a great danger of the death of civilians.
Another of the new events, a loud single explosion takes place late in the evening. The whole city hears and feels it. On Friday it was at 23:15, on Sunday at 00:20. My walls buzzed yesterday and the dishes rang and the blast wave passed under my feet. Later, VSN reported that it had completed air defense. I honestly have doubts, Strela-10M is launching a missile, say for UAVs, but the explosion is very loud and then a blast wave. How many explosives are there in a warhead?
On the night of Friday to Saturday, the Ukrainians decided to storm the settlement Old Mikhailovka. At first there was a shelling of mortars, then tanks were connected, after the Ukrainians tried to conduct several DRGs. BCH tapped them on the teeth and the Ukrainians, apparently offended, from 01:00 to 05:00 started from mortars and self-propelled guns to thrash around the village. At 06:00 in the morning, service began in the local church, and the bells accordingly rang. Punitively angry that they were not allowed to sleep after a stormy night, they fired two rockets from an ATGM in the chapel. Here is such an "army" confronts us here near Donetsk. In general, Ukrainians over these days continued to attack in the same areas - n.p. Staromikhaylovka, Volvo Center, n.p. Sands, Airport, n.p. Spartak, a crossroads near Avdeevka. And in the Gorlovka direction - Wide beam, Zaitsevo and so on. The same suicidal attacks in the same directions where each meter was shot with a machine gun and mortar or ATGM. The meaning and goals are not clear to us. At the end of the week, the battles themselves became several times less, bad weather apparently affects, it rains constantly. From the last battle near Avdeevka, ukrov 2 - 200s and 8 - 300s. The militia has 5 wounded. Very high activity of snipers and tanks.

[Lord of the Sith]

Regarding the transfer of APU equipment and infantry, there will not be enough five pages to describe what is transferred and where. All this DNR intelligence knows and fixes. The OSCE is also openly declaring, and Poroshenko said that they returned weapons to the front line, and in which case they will shoot to kill. Well, look at this suicidal attack. There will be a lot of victims. But I think this will be the last offensive of the Armed Forces. In the meantime, pneumonia coughs more Ukrainian warriors than militias.
All patience and health!

[Tor5]

Thank you, Lord Sith, for such detailed stories from the scene.

[avt]

Quote: Tor5

Thank you, Lord Sith, for such detailed stories from the scene.

Yes, as always - succinctly but expanded on several topics from an eyewitness with trifles that highlight the picture quite significantly. Good luck, patience and health!

[gladcu2]

Does anyone have any idea why this troubled war is taking place?

PS, have lost supply. Therefore, Yarosh was given the task of controlling them so that they would not creep into banditry.

These well-groomed and confident soldiers, most likely mercenaries.

[user]

This is your earned pension, take it from Ukraine, while it is possible to take

Well done!
When a crest was born a Jew cried.

[Lelek]

Quote: Sith Lord

Lord of the Sith

Thank you, Sergey, for the details. You health and success in all activities.

[avt]

Quote: Sith Lord

! But in Russia now you yourself know the economic situation.

На носу сезонные выплаты под конец года , подбивают новый бюджет ,готовят годовой отчет, так что скачок евро и доллара вполне себе предсказуем , да собственно не первый раз уже .Так что желание подняться в рублевых ценах вполне предсказуемо и может и должно жестко контролировать . А вот это завсегда проблема и как показывает жизнь для ФАС в России не подъемная , ну а за ЛДНР ..... хотя могли бы и пожёще в военное то время за этим следить . Это н только банальная спекуляция ,,рыночников",тут их еще и на саботаж надо бы проверять .

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Chinese version of the Yak-130 ...

[Buffalo]

The tint is blackened and the order is the target for the LPR and DPR air defense.

[alexbg2]

The main thing is balloons and more, in several rows, without them the ship will not sail and the plane will not fly. And the presence of the pastor is required.

[Brigadier]

More balls to spend on them! We take Igilovsky anti-aircraft technique - flying condoms! And that’s it !!!

[Finches]

The Ukrainian resource "Duma" in the world is perceived as - one grandmother said!

[vodolaz]

To promise is not to marry. Although I managed to ditch my fleet in this way, I still have to manage it. Ukraine has notably raped China with grain supplies and are they still planning to build airplanes with them? I don’t know how real this is.

[Tor5]

That’s bullshit! Apparently - there’s nowhere to put money in the bins (ha ha).

[kil 31]

It is necessary to tell the gentleman in the photo that it is necessary to repaint the stickers first, then glue the stickers. Paint on stickers does not fit well.

[APASUS]

Quote: Tor5

That’s bullshit! Apparently - there’s nowhere to put money in the bins (ha ha).

I think all this is the fables of Grandfather Krylov!
Prepare the workshop for assembly, get all the equipment there and and and .................. how much Ukraine can buy training aircraft ??? This is not a Chevrolet Lanos to assemble with a screwdriver, such investments never will not pay off, and who will invest money, Ukraine or China?

[Voha_krim]

Degradation, dawn - all this is nonsense. The Chinese themselves with whom? Or loot, only loot and nothing personal?
If this is not a fake, then the Chinese somehow fall below the plinth in my eyes.

[Darkmor]

Ukraine now produces Chinese copies of the Yak-130? Peremoga :)

[avt]

Quote: Darkmor

Ukraine now produces Chinese copies of the Yak-130?

If memory serves, it was they who brought it as supersonic. So this is such a conglomerate from the base Yak with design refinement and engines of Ukrainians performed by the Chinese, trying to return with a boomerang. Yes, in fact, the Chinese have just signed an agreement just recently to involve us in the reincarnation of the passenger An-24. But the fact is of course interesting - from two air armies they still have a lot of money, but you’re kumush. So they didn’t find anything cheaper for the plane of the battlefield, but they were going to do it from the training playboy. But ... I don’t believe in what they’ll do. It looks more like some kind of scam, as by agreement with liquefied gas in the Odessa port signed under Ssynukovich with a Spanish ski instructor. There are some magicians from the Chinese circus here.

[Gani]

There are some magicians from the Chinese circus here.

“Initially, they were going to start production in 2016, but the process was a bit suspended,

- this is a corporate Chinese style, if the Ukrainians bought ready-made ones, the process would not freeze

Ukraine intends to launch production of Chinese training aircraft in Odessa

- But this is a corporate Ukrainian style. As we know Ukraine Many things intends

[Altona]

Quote: Darkmor

Ukraine now produces Chinese copies of the Yak-130? Peremoga :)

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Они еще с 2005 года договариваются о запуске в производство этого самолета. Это такая тройная российско-китайско-украинская разработка...Фюзеляж яковлевский, двиглы украинские, задумка и исполнение китайские..."Укрозумвальт" в Ленинской Кузне сляпали, теперь будут свой "укро ФЕ-35" ляпать, скоростные поезда "хюндай-стайл" у них ходят, зимой правда замерзают...

[sever.56]

http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/652/bmct967.png

News from Ukraine almost every day causes a storm of fun ... !!!

[STALK1974]

They don’t know how to do their own, now the Chinese will be rude.

[cniza]

You will meet for a long time, and so the flag in your hands.

[kil 31]

Quote: cniza

You will meet for a long time, and so the flag in your hands.

Let them meet, nothing will come of their golden stock of mute. With the Chinese, they also wanted to deepen the Black Sea, nothing happened.

[Trailer]

The main thing is to pre-calculate where in the plane to place concrete blocks for proper alignment. In general, sorry for the little brothers. Purely out of love for aviation.

[Altona]

Quote: Karavan

The main thing is to pre-calculate where in the plane to place concrete blocks for proper alignment. In general, sorry for the little brothers. Purely out of love for aviation.

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The pilot seat will be on the rails so that the pilot is properly seated relative to the center of gravity ...

[divangeneral]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ukraine intends to launch production of Chinese training aircraft in Odessa

and what is the degradation?
joint ventures open, and how many of them are open in a year in the Russian Federation?
all expect that Ukraine itself will go bankrupt, freeze and fall apart, crawl on its knees?
under Putin, we’ll fall apart and freeze

[Altona]

Quote: divangeneral

and what is the degradation?
joint ventures open, and how many of them are open in a year in the Russian Federation?
all expect that Ukraine itself will go bankrupt, freeze and fall apart, crawl on its knees?

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У них вроде целое мощное КуБэ "Антонов" имеется, там тыщ 15 сотрудников...Их значит по домам, а китайсам давать делать самолеты...Для "Антонова" такой еропланчик сделать вообще не вопрос...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Altona

Для "Антонова" такой еропланчик сделать вообще не вопрос...

Не то чтобы "не вопрос", но вполне реально.

[sannych]

А вы почитайте, сколько. Сайт "Сделано у нас", например.
252 новых объекта, что составляет ввод в строй одного производства за 1,21 дня. Таким образом, скорость ввода производств в 2015 году значительно ускорилась, несмотря на заявления одного сильно загорелого президента о "разорванной в клочья экономике России". (источник http: // alex-o-mire.blogspot.ru/2015/03/2015.html). А то так и будете разваливаться и замерзать.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: sannych

and you will fall apart and freeze.

The sofa is old and the heating was cut off for non-payment.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: divangeneral

all expect that Ukraine itself will go bankrupt, freeze and fall apart, crawl on its knees?

God forbid, I'm Chesslov I will only be glad if they are Eurointegrated
but about

Quote: divangeneral

under Putin, we’ll fall apart and freeze

do not wait

[Altona]

Quote: Dryuya2

I will only be glad if they are Eurointegrated

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Is it interesting for Meni, the skills of the rockies will be drawn up by Evrop with the ensign Shmatko?

[bannik]

Quote: divangeneral

Quote: oleg-gr

Ukraine intends to launch production of Chinese training aircraft in Odessa

and what is the degradation?
joint ventures open, and how many of them are open in a year in the Russian Federation?
all expect that Ukraine itself will go bankrupt, freeze and fall apart, crawl on its knees?
under Putin, we’ll fall apart and freeze

Here you are absolutely right - SAM, SAM and only SAM!

[AlexTires]

The Chinese are transferring expensive production to a banana republic with cheap labor.

[Lelek]

Quote: AlexTires

The Chinese are transferring expensive production to a banana republic with cheap labor.

The Chinese are ruthless pragmatists, they will tear off the last penny and do not frown. This is to say that the Chinese will not squabble with the former Ukraine, as we did and do.

[propolsky]

It does not seem that China climbed across Russia. The plane is certainly far from strategic, but still there is no point in biting Russia.

[IAlex]

As soon as the first Chinese Yak-130 is brought down in Donbas, the site will be confused. For all of our cool, but here our bam will knock down almost ours, which is not knocked down, well, we won’t get out of anything due to the fact that it’s Chinese ...

[Dryuya2]

Quote: propolsky

It does not seem that China climbed across Russia. The plane is certainly far from strategic, but still there is no point in biting Russia.

Quote: IAlex

As soon as the first Chinese Yak-130 is brought down

wiki wiki wiki
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The development of the supersonic combat trainer L-15 was launched in the early 2000s, together with the Russian Yakovlev Design Bureau and the Ukrainian Progress ZMKB. The Russian design bureau provided technical documentation for the Yak-130 aircraft, and the Ukrainian design bureau delivered DV-2 engines for prototype testing. [1]
In 2004, the L-15 was first demonstrated at an air show in Zhuhai.
In 2006, a prototype aircraft performed its first flight.
In 2009, Yuriy Yekhanurov, Minister of Defense of Ukraine, announced his intention to establish a joint production of a combat trainer L-15 with Hongdu. [7] [8]
In 2010, an improved version of the L-2010 Lift (Lead in fighter training), which made its first flight on October 15, 20, was presented at the Air Show China 2010 air show. The upgraded version received Ukrainian jet engines with afterburner AI-222-25F. Power plants AI-222-25 (without afterburner) are equipped with Russian Yak-130. [9] Thanks to modernization, the maneuverability of the L-15 has improved to the level of third-generation fighters, and in terms of rate of climb, the aircraft is not inferior to the American F-16 and the French Mirage 2000. [9]
On August 15, 2010, Hongdu announced that the development of the L-15 was completed. [4]
In 2011, Hongdu ordered 250 Ukrainian AI-222-25F engines for L-15 combat training aircraft with delivery by 2015. [10]
In 2013, it became known about a long-term contract with Motor Sich from 2001 for the supply of 1920 AI-222-25F engines and the repair of 3840 units until 2041 for a total of $ 5,7 billion [11].
В 2015 году Украина предварительно договорилась с КНР о закупке для нужд Воздушных сил Украины Hongdu L-15. Главным условием сделки является локализация сборки боевых машин на Одесском авиационном заводе ("Одесавиаремсервис"), мощности которого нарастят с помощью китайской стороны. Вместе с тем, не сообщается о количестве закупаемых штурмовиков и стоимости контракта.[12]

[SIvan]

Quote: IAlex

As soon as the first Chinese Yak-130 is brought down in Donbas, the site will be confused. For all of our cool, but here our bam will knock down almost ours, which is not knocked down, well, we won’t get out of anything due to the fact that it’s Chinese ...

What kind of nonsense? No one calls the training Yak-130 invulnerable. Show me at least one person on the site who has such illusions.

[avdkrd]

Quote: IAlex

As soon as the first Chinese Yak-130 is brought down in Donbas, the site will be confused. For all of our cool, but here our bam will knock down almost ours, which is not knocked down, well, we won’t get out of anything due to the fact that it’s Chinese ...

That is, before that, the Kaklov had not our planes? Su-25, MiG-29 is not our aircraft? L-15 is not OUR plane, but Chinese. With Yak, he has only general technical solutions, but a completely different ideology. The Yak 130 was created as a training one, although an attack aircraft was also developed for export, but this is a budget export option that the Russian Air Force is unlikely to purchase. Su 25 in terms of survival is an order of magnitude more secure than L-15 (and Yak-130), in addition, the Chinese are very controversial aircraft. As a ground attack aircraft, it is poorly protected, in addition, the ground attack aircraft must have appropriate sighting equipment, and the L-15 was created as a training aircraft, and in the second as a budget light fighter. It is clear that an attack aircraft can also be made if desired, but is it necessary? According to the combat load, according to some sources, 3 tons on the external load, according to others, 1 tons. The supersonic for the attack aircraft is bad manners, moreover, with a full load, he will lose it anyway.

[BOB044]

We need to start with a simpler in Odessa. This is the release of wooden sticks for Chinese noodles. And after that, move on to a more difficult one. There is no need for a scratch.

[rotmistr60]

It’s just that the Chinese also want to grab their piece of cake from Ukraine. The main thing here is to gain a foothold and drive into debt.

[ARES623]

From intentions to action, the distance is enormous. It is also necessary to convince China to take the risk of this event upon itself, because in Ukraine there is no money and for more acute needs. We’ll wait and see.

[nrex]

He is a business outside politics, if there is a demand then there will be an offer. I do not advise falling into childhood and mocking the people of Ukraine. There are many good and decent people who are highly qualified specialists in various fields of science and technology. We lack the enterprise and perseverance in the cause of this people. The current situation of ordinary workers and scientists is catastrophic. Laughing at them we become like Charlie. If it pleases you, you can jerk about it as much as you like. Just understand that these are ordinary people, they are like in that plane, they cannot do anything, they will fall together with their state, they are not professional revolutionaries, they are hard workers. We have a common past, where we all lived in one state, suffered together and died together. There is no fault on ordinary people.

[samoletil18]

And when the first pepelats flies shut up ... Suspiciously somehow

[Neophyte]

They will buy it, since the debt of 3 billion was transferred to other terms. So, we support the defense of the Ruins?

[Peterhof 73]

Ukraine intends to launch production of Chinese training aircraft in Odessa

Чуть не сполз под стол прочитав трижды заголовок. Что не слово то юмор. Вдумайтесь: "Украина", "намерена"(У-ха!ХА!), "в Одессе"(це уже юмор?), "производство"(слово не совместимое со словом Украина), "китайских"(пластиковых?), "учебных самолётов"(звучит как учебных стульев). Нет не могу, пойду приму валерьянки.

[wicked pinnochio]

let them launch Chinese condom production

[Prisoner]

Did the Chinese say or forget to warn?

[HMR333]

and the Chinese are aware that they were going to open something there))))) then there will be a surprise)))

[Sakhalin.]

Укропы лизуны ещё те,не повезло Китаю с "партнёрами" если так.

[sokudo]

Another tale