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The world wants to forget Ukraine. But Ukraine will soon remind of itself

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In recent months, the world has almost forgotten about the Ukrainian crisis. Some countries seem to have achieved something by their efforts to establish, albeit a fragile, but peace. Others, realizing that Kiev had practically no strength, suggested that the junta lay low and build up muscles. Still others are busy with completely different problems, and all Ukrainian events for citizens of these countries are akin to a serial. And the series, which is already tired of its predictability.




Today events in Syria, France or Egypt are much more interesting. This means that the views of not only politicians, but also of financiers, are turned there. Ukraine also gets the "scraps" from the master's table. And, alas, these leftovers are no longer enough even for the minimum maintenance of an acceptable standard of living.

Naturally, in such conditions, the Kiev government is forced to take emergency measures. And what measures can the government take today to increase the amount of funds in the treasury? Alas, no. The only way is to return to the state of the active phase of the civil war.

Why are there no other ways? First, the Ukrainian economy is increasingly acquiring the features of a banana republic. Industry kill is already open. When Kiev announced the suspension of military cooperation with Russia, the West applauded in unison. Of course, Russia will remain without components for its ships, airplanes, helicopters and other weapons. However, in a short time we were able to release something on our own, to purchase something from other suppliers. Something, again, alas, had to stop.

However, this ban hit Ukraine much more. Industry, more focused on Russia, in collapse. Plants on the verge of closing. It turned out that Ukrainian products in Europe are not needed. Suffice it to say that if last year in the Russian market, Ukrainian products amounted to about 4,1%, then this year it fell to 2,8%. And this decrease continues.

But the most unpleasant thing for Kiev is that Russia not only engages in import substitution, it finds new partners who are happy to master the new market. And what is to lose the market well know Georgian or Moldovan winemakers. Losing is easy. But to return to the same position is almost impossible. In simple terms: guys, and others took their places on the trading stalls, and all you have left is there, in the corner ...

But in the hope of Western investment, Kiev continues to bend its line. Breaks cooperation in other areas. And it is interesting, it makes round eyes, when Russia responds mirror. Remember the flight ban for Russian airlines. And Arseniy Yatsenyuk's lament about exactly the same ban from Russia. A hundred times the journalists used the anecdotal question: "And why should we?"

And now Ukraine is at the next round of deterioration of the situation. I am about introducing from 1 January 2016, the economic part of the Association Agreement with the EU. Russia repeatedly warned Ukraine that it would not allow sitting on two chairs, as before. It's one thing when a country is friendly. The other is Ukraine now. Your shirt is closer to the body.

Medvedev officially announced retaliatory measures. Embargo for Ukrainian goods. Russia must protect its market. And then began the arithmetic. As it turned out, with the introduction of the embargo, the loss of Ukraine would be just terrible for the economy. The country will lose from 160 to 220 billion dollars. Depending on what Russia undertakes.

The hopes of Ukrainians in European markets are also dying. During the period of the Maydanut revolution, exports to Russia fell by 60%, and exports to EU countries by 35%. And the Europeans are no longer shy to say that they do not intend to increase it. Economic cooperation is understood there as an opportunity to drain the surplus of their products on the new market.

And now secondly. Without war, it becomes difficult to keep society in the ideological yoke. An external enemy is needed. Fighting such an enemy distracts from other problems. People are willing to endure hardships for their homeland. Ukrainians (especially their noisy ones) are ready to endure hardships against Russia and Putin in particular. And the only way to save at least some kind of industry is to load the production capacity with military orders.

None of the analysts contented themselves with hopes that the crisis would be resolved simply by negotiations. Everyone understood that delaying the implementation of paragraphs of the Minsk agreements suggests that no one will fulfill them. War, as the final decision will still be. Only here it is necessary to delay the beginning. What if something happens to stop shooting ...

For Ukraine, the hour "X" should have come 20 December. This day was to be the day of death. The default and the defeat of the government. That is why fighters on the front line became more active. That is why shelling began. That is why Poroshenko allowed to respond to the shelling. Clearly prepared the ground for provocation. Obviously, the provocation itself was being prepared. It was necessary to blame LDNR for breaking the Agreement.

In ukroSMI constantly hysteria. Daily shelling, the death of soldiers, the solemn funeral of the dead. And under this sauce the return of heavy weapons to the position. And do not hesitate to OSCE monitors. On the contrary, informing them in advance about this.

I do not want to detract from the power of the Armed Forces of the People’s Republics. Over the past months, a great deal of work has been done there to streamline the armed formations. New fighters and commanders were trained and sent to serve. Some parts are dissolved or reformed. Theoretically, all this should strengthen the army. Probably strengthened. But...

Care in the reserve of many of those who started this confrontation, played a negative role. What I will write now is not only my personal opinion, but also some other experts. I doubt very much that now the LDNR army is capable of restraining ukrochasti on bare enthusiasm. As it was last year. Professionalism on the wrong side has a competent calculation of their own and others' capabilities. Among the pros is impossible feat 28 Panfilov.

Simply put, today, in their fighting spirit, the armies became equal. And in quantitative and qualitative comparison, the Ukrainian army is superior in times. According to some information, there are now approximately 200 thousand fighters in the ATO zone.

Yes, there are nuances in the form of the National Guard under and terbats. These formations are not suitable for conducting full-fledged hostilities. But even if they are deleted in the first days of the war, even the remaining part is much larger than the size of the Armed Forces of the LDNR.

The beginning of a new active phase of the war will lead to huge losses from the republics and, ultimately, to a lost campaign. And I do not see anything that could save the republic from defeat. Even with increased assistance from Russia. It could have ended by the new year.

The situation is aware of everything. At both sides. The defense strategy developed by LDNR is no longer working. For the offensive of the same forces and means is clearly not enough. A situation where, as we say, do not throw it, a wedge is everywhere.

And here, as is often the case, Russia is making a strong move. 16 November, Vladimir Putin announced the final rejection of the Ukrainian plan to restructure the state debt of Ukraine. But here he offers his own version, which is not only attractive for Kiev, but is at times better than what the IMF has proposed.

The redemption of Eurobonds for a total amount of $ 3 billion can occur in stages - at $ 1 billion per year in the period from 2016 to 2018 a year. At the same time, Moscow is waiting for guarantees from the US and the EU on restructured debt. “We made, in my opinion, an unexpected offer to our partners. We did not just agree to restructure the Ukrainian debt, but we offered better conditions than the International Monetary Fund requested from us, ”Putin said.

If the option of military confrontation is losing, then the enemy can be bought. What the Kremlin is doing now. I foresee tomorrow's howl of patriots about rescuing the junta again. Because I answer immediately. Today's offer is really salvation. But not of Kiev, but of Donetsk.

Today's war of Novorossia and Ukraine is first of all a war of finance of those who support the warring parties. Russia and the West. And here clearly the advantage is not on our side. This should not be forgotten. Russia holds the Donbass. The question is how long and how effective.

Somewhat encouraging is that the EU is already tired of "fighting" for Ukraine. His problems above the roof.

It seems to me that such an offer was made not only by Russia. This proposal is from Russia and the EU. Not without reason, it appeared after the visits to Moscow of quite serious EU and IMF officials. Let's see, on which 1 January 2016 of the year agreed.

Today, it can be stated that the danger of the start of a new phase of the war has been postponed again. How long?
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  1. igorka357
    igorka357 18 November 2015 06: 05 New
    +9
    Of course, he will begin to squeak even louder ... give me money ... help ... Russians are killing us! Well, what are the Ukrobanders still capable of ..)))?
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      1. mirag2
        mirag2 18 November 2015 08: 17 New
        +1
        This is from his Facebook page:
        https://www.facebook.com/VAlksnis/posts/1686630804914580?_rdr=p
      2. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 18 November 2015 08: 24 New
        +9
        We think that your old acquaintance is full of nonsense ...... if, excuse me, this is not your fake ........ Now is not the time for someone to put ultimatums to Putin (especially in the Donbass or Crimea) Such ultimatums in harsh form can only be put forward by Yaytsenyuk or Poroshenko ...... Yes, the very wording ... the return of the Crimea ... or, WHAT? .......... so that is not worth the discussion, again, I'm sorry, your post.
        1. marlin1203
          marlin1203 18 November 2015 18: 05 New
          +5
          "The inhabitants of LDNR have gone into the" reserve "and therefore the spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Armed Forces of the LDNR have equaled ..." A very controversial thesis. In my opinion, people are still ready to fight for their houses there and there are no people who want to go back to the "nenka" (corrective, if this is not so). But in the APU with a fighting spirit, among other things, there are obvious problems, and even against the background of everyday disorder, in the winter and do not understand why and with whom. The volunteers who arrived in LDNR did their job and helped in the most difficult moment. All of them certainly cannot be there constantly. So now the floor belongs to the regular LDNR army.
          1. ankir13
            ankir13 18 November 2015 19: 17 New
            0
            So where is Motorola, anyway? Why completely disappeared from all the information bureau?
            Question to all, enlighten who knows!
            1. ankir13
              ankir13 18 November 2015 19: 41 New
              +1
              I, said, small, in body armor, with a walkie-talkie behind my back, in a headset and with an antenna ... So the battalion commander, he says, called me Motorola, because it looks like a battery ...
            2. Insurgent LC
              Insurgent LC 18 November 2015 23: 23 New
              +2
              on the spot he is engaged in a wife and a child when free, and now he trains young people
  2. Aleksiy
    Aleksiy 18 November 2015 06: 12 New
    24
    “For today, it can be stated that the danger of the beginning of a new phase of the war has again been postponed. For how long?” - And the daily shelling of Donetsk, and the gradual destruction of the region, is it not a war? In western Ukraine, calmly, no explosions are heard. When the fortress cannot be taken by storm, it is taken to starvation. This is exactly what is happening with the Donbass.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 08: 08 New
      +3
      And these are the costs that occur when success has not been developed and the initiative has been lost.
      The authors are right when they point out the negative aspects of the loss of past opportunities.
      But here is a more critical attitude towards the Kremlin, from the residents of the Southeast is already a given.
      Diplomacy and contracts are effective and efficient when it is mutually beneficial (even in the long term), but when it is vitally contradictory to one of the parties, only the coercive method and force factor take on meaning.

      It is hard to imagine that the perpetrators will not suffer punishment and retaliation (the term “justice” in this case, let the weak-minded but well-established supporters of jurisprudence, be left with them), and the situation will fade according to group work, without restoring justice and people's hopes.
    2. kaluganew
      kaluganew 18 November 2015 11: 35 New
      +1
      We will still have Ukraine in the top news. They have no choice. + Asia is already downloading.
    3. revnagan
      revnagan 18 November 2015 12: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Aleksiy
      When the fortress cannot be taken by storm, it is taken to starvation. This is exactly what is happening with the Donbass.

      The authors write that Russia is trying to "buy" the world for Novorossia. That a joint proposal of this kind came from the EU and Russia. But! There is another player. Beyond the ocean. It is he who directs the actions of Kiev, controlling Petrushka through pop. to think that the balance of power is not seen in Kiev. They can see everything perfectly. And they are getting ready. I will remember that the “speech therapist” blurted out innermost dreams: to create an advantage in forces of 10: 1 and solve the LDNR problem on the model of Serbian Krajina. So why did someone decide that Kiev abandon their plans? The saved money can be poured into the development of the military-industrial complex, and then EVERYTHING IS EQUAL TO HIT! So it will be, alas. Ukraine is some kind, but a country. With its own military-industrial complex. No Novorossia will be able to fight on an equal footing- there is too much advantage in resources. The only way out (there was) was the national liberation war against the oligarchs, which could start from the territory of Novorossia and spread to the whole of Ukraine. With the full mobilization of all resources, there were chances of victory. But some were frightened of such a scenario. Oligarch oligar hu, of course, a wolf, but only until the “lumpen” people begin to threaten their interests. This is where the points of contact are instantly found. So it seems to me that both New Russia and Ukraine have lost. God grant that I was mistaken, but so far my forecasts have come true ...
    4. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 18 November 2015 13: 31 New
      +2
      Only the Donbass is rising economically, and the outskirts are getting worse.
      Feel the difference! smile
      So it’s still not clear to whom “starvation” threatens more!
      1. ankir13
        ankir13 18 November 2015 19: 28 New
        -1
        Less to you, Volzhanin. Ukraine is getting worse, but it’s not going to get worse ... And the Donbass in this situation is clamping ever tighter, something does not add up to an oil painting ...
      2. RRR
        RRR 18 November 2015 21: 35 New
        +3
        This is where such wonderful information about the rise in the Donbass?
        And hto here or what rises with us?
        I suppose they switched from hemp to dung in Russia.
        ALL FACTORIES IN LUGANSK STAND!
        Even those that used to produce mineral water.

        And about silence - in Russia, of course, it is more audible than in Lugansk, as today, 4 mm or more shells burst in series of 122 in the direction of Slavyanoserbsk.
        We’re stupid here, and you’re “thinking for us” laughing
        invent new HPPs ...
        Well, well
      3. Insurgent LC
        Insurgent LC 18 November 2015 23: 31 New
        +2
        LDNR in terms of tax collection reached a pre-war level in October, although it’s not so simple in the conditions of blockade and shelling, but we look for ways not to stand still everyone knows that there will be no manna from heaven and war will end when the main thing is that people understand this and nobody whines in the bulk, although there is a category = traders = that everyone wants to slip between smart and beautiful
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 18 November 2015 18: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksiy
      the danger of a new phase of war is again postponed. How long?"

      Danger for whom?
      It seems to me that the statements that they say Kuev should be fought in order to distract the population from economic problems are greatly exaggerated.
      Whatever Ukrainians are intoxicated with propaganda, in the mass they quite agree to secession of Donbass, and not only him, if only they would not be taken into the army. And there can be no talk of any kind of economic growth under the conditions of hostilities.
      Everyone also understands that it is impossible to defeat the DNLR at the borders of the Russian Federation by military means. Here is the application of the WTO in Syria, moreover ...
      Kuev banderlogs are all waiting for salvation from America. All will not die down ...
      Nadot, as Bonaparte said, give them something else. That there are no ammunition depots and other worthy targets after the explosions in Svatovo left? wink
  3. cap
    cap 18 November 2015 06: 20 New
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    The photo is cool.
    "Bedtime Stories in Kiev Shelter laughing "
    1. antikilller55
      antikilller55 18 November 2015 06: 57 New
      +7
      Shelter of the Mad shares the next tranche from the IMF in its pockets)))
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 18 November 2015 07: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: cap
      The photo is cool.
      "Bedtime Stories in Kiev Shelter laughing "

      And the Panas-style ending: “Otaka x..nya, little ones”, for which he was trampled on from Kuevsky TV.
  4. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 18 November 2015 06: 25 New
    +4
    In some ways, the author is really right to begin with, you need to end up with Syria and only then to crush Usrain, all the more so since the positions in the political arena in Russia will improve dramatically, but for now, feeding pigs so that they do not scream.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 18 November 2015 07: 14 New
      +9
      Quote: Vladimir71
      In some ways, the author is really right to begin with, you need to end up with Syria and only then to crush Usrain, all the more so since the positions in the political arena in Russia will improve dramatically, but for now, feeding pigs so that they do not scream.

      Let me remind you that Ukraine began BEFORE Syria. It was necessary to finish with her first.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 18 November 2015 09: 18 New
        +5
        In Syria, trouble began in 2011. And it was increasing. For the United States and hyenas, Syria is needed in Ukraine. But, it is near by Russia. Not the fact that the villains will not engage in other neighbors of Russia.
      2. Cthulhu
        Cthulhu 18 November 2015 09: 30 New
        +7
        Quote: Aleksander
        Let me remind you that Ukraine began BEFORE Syria. It was necessary to finish with her first.


        No, actually. Before the Ukrainian events, at least a year on the VO website spears broke about events in Syria. And Putin, send troops to Tartus and Putin leaked Syria, sounded long before the Maidan and subsequent cries to send troops to (in) Ukraine and Putin leaked Donbass. hi And he merges everything and merges, and does not merge in any way, probably the drain tank has broken wink
        1. avt
          avt 18 November 2015 10: 13 New
          11
          Quote: Cthulhu
          No, actually. Before the Ukrainian events, at least a year on the VO website spears broke about events in Syria. And Putin, send troops to Tartus and Putin leaked Syria, sounded long before the Maidan and subsequent cries to send troops to (in) Ukraine and Putin leaked Donbass.

          good yes, it’s for some here according to the principle - something has happened to my memory ... ", and go into the archive, refresh reluctance, or fearfully. Now, under the article
          Medvedev has officially announced a response. Embargo for Ukrainian goods. Russia must protect its market.
          The author does not explain what kind of embargo? wassat Actually, well, ornately speaking, the preferences given to Ukraine as a member of the CIS and other nishtyaks with the abolition of duties in bilateral agreements are canceled, as it should be more precisely, especially in light of the creation of the announced economic resource.
          . Professionalism, with its inside out, has a competent calculation of its own and others' capabilities. Among the pros, the feat of 28 Panfilov’s is impossible.
          Oh how! And the author does not see the difference between a professional mercenary and a profession to defend his homeland? ,, Need a rush! "? Type got bored for voiced slogans a la ,, To Lviv!"?
          For Ukraine, the hour "X" was to come December 20. This day was supposed to be the day of death. Defaulted and defeated by the government.
          Well, in general, yes. The offer of GDP defaults and payments does not cancel. GDP made an interesting move - it didn’t refuse to receive ALL of the amount of money, namely, Ukrainians offered a loss of 20% to convert into commercial sovereign debt, and yes, they proposed paying installments for three years. BUT! Only under the debt guarantees of financial institutions, and in essence demanded financial instruments to be re-credited for this amount and the right to default Ruin threw itself off to Europe and the USA.
          Today's war of Novorossia and Ukraine is first of all a war of finance of those who support the warring parties. Russia and the West. And here clearly the advantage is not on our side. This should not be forgotten. Russia holds the Donbass. The question is how long and how effective.
          This question is also for those who now hold power in the LNR - will be able to competently build a peaceful life without impudent theft - people will follow them to the end. Fooled by the authorities-no Rossi will not help.
          1. anfil
            anfil 18 November 2015 14: 35 New
            +4
            To the said avt, I would also add
            Simply put, today, in terms of fighting spirit, the armies are equal.

            That's what the author can justify it !? What is raising the spirit of the army from the other side, by a combat hopak. What national idea will they go to fight for !?

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        3. Aleksander
          Aleksander 18 November 2015 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Cthulhu
          Let me remind you that Ukraine began BEFORE Syria. It was necessary to finish with her first.
          No, actually.


          Actually, yes. This is not about BOLTOVNA, but about the real actions of the Russian army - and they began in the Crimea in 2014, and in Syria in 2015.
          And if we talk about the real beginning of everything, it all began in one year, 1918, with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the creation of an unknown Ukraine by the Bolsheviks ..
          1. Cthulhu
            Cthulhu 18 November 2015 11: 57 New
            +2
            Quote: Aleksander
            Actually, yes. This is not about BOLTOVNA, but about the real actions of the Russian army - and they began in the Crimea in 2014, and in Syria in 2015.
            And if we talk about the real beginning of everything, it all began in one year, 1918, with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the creation of an unknown Ukraine by the Bolsheviks ..


            That is, in your opinion, the actions of our Mediterranean squadron in 2012-2013 are a product of not reality but fantasy? And the refusal of the "partners" from military operations against Syria, a gesture of goodwill? Or vice versa - Ukraine is a consequence, but the reason is still Syria? Well, on the story. Dig deeper and farther, for example, until 882 and the transfer of the capital of Ancient Russia to Kiev or a little closer to us, before the Rus captured the Byzantine Empire "now unknown to anyone", this is a causal link between the Ottoman Empire and today's events.
            And yes, it was not the Bolsheviks who created Ukraine, they simply took the path of least resistance. But you opened my eyes, it turns out Petlyura and Kerensky were Bolsheviks good laughing
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            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 19 November 2015 01: 11 New
              0
              Quote: Cthulhu
              That is, in your opinion, the actions of our Mediterranean squadron in 2012-2013 are a product of not reality but fantasy? And the refusal of the "partners" from military operations against Syria, a gesture of goodwill?


              Yes, yes, they were scared of our fleet lol The refusal of the United States - there is the result of primarily diplomacy - such an offer was made - from which the United States could not refuse despite the fact that their allies - Great Britain and France in the parliaments received a ban on the use of force.
              Quote: Cthulhu
              And yes, it was not the Bolsheviks who created Ukraine, they simply took the path of least resistance. But you opened my eyes, it turns out Petlyura and Kerensky were Bolsheviks

              You cause sincere bewilderment, is it really difficult to open at least Vicki in order not to write frank nonsense?
        4. Petrol
          Petrol 18 November 2015 11: 17 New
          +3
          Cthulhu
          Syria with the buildup of your group since 18.11.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX is already too tough.
          from that day you threw a noose on an oil crane to corporations that bought oil for 10 dollars from ISIS, which then had to go to the port in Odessa for processing and selling in Europe (for which ISAAKA-SHVILI actually was appointed there by the State Department.
          Now the State Department is trying to undermine Asia by pushing its foreheads through an abscess in Afghanistan and entering Turkey through the territory of Azerbaijan.
          through syria was the shortest and cheapest way.
      3. Insurgent LC
        Insurgent LC 18 November 2015 23: 33 New
        -1
        Syria has been fighting mine for the fifth year already, but we have two more
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    3. larand
      larand 18 November 2015 08: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir71
      Russia's position in the political arena will improve dramatically, but for now, feeding pigs so that they do not scream.


      Positions in the political arena are good. But “22 million citizens of the Russian Federation today have incomes below the subsistence minimum, which is about 10 thousand rubles a month. Such data were announced yesterday in Moscow at the Social Forum. At the same time, last year, according to Rosstat, in the country there were about 16 million poor Russians. " What to do with this?
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 18 November 2015 10: 21 New
        +3
        You. It. What for? Just a concussion, or are there any suggestions? Options:
        1) Stop the operation in the Middle East, surrender the DNI and LC, curtail the rearmament of the army and give the money saved to increase salaries and pensions, so that they forgive?
        2) The same thing, plus to return the Crimea and disarm unilaterally, to forgive?
        3) Overthrow the government together with the president, "from which all troubles", corruption and zambing, so that, at last, they send the right managers from Harvard, that they govern us?
        Necessary, as they say, emphasize.
        And now, honestly, will the implementation of at least one recipe be better?
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 18 November 2015 12: 34 New
          +6
          Quote: Azitral
          Any suggestions? Options:

          If this is not testing, then of course there are suggestions.
          1. The main burden of economic pressure should be borne by those who have money-oligarchs. Do not buy yachts-clubs-islands, but pour these funds into the state budget. They (oligarchs) now position themselves as patriots. Especially after the events in Cyprus.
          2. Carry out an “audit” - how and under what circumstances the former property of the State became the private property of oligarchs. Why do profits from the sale of State mineral resources and natural resources go to private owners? Do they pay taxes on profits? Why does the State not retain ALL PROFIT? All doubtful transactions terminate, return the assets to the State, and there will be enough funds for everything. And yes, thieves do not "scold" but "shoot" with confiscation. How do you like these two simple points?
          1. s5519
            s5519 18 November 2015 17: 48 New
            0
            That is, return to socialism, review the results of privatization, punish those responsible for the destruction of the USSR, and so on. I fully support you in this, but I’m afraid that our authorities, expressing the interests of the oligarchs and international business, will disagree with us, and most importantly, now there is no political force in Russia capable of carrying out such a thing. And do not try to talk about the Communist Party-they are communists only in name. I am already an old man and I hardly live to see the second attempt to build a just socialist state, but I hope that it will and will be successful.
        2. larand
          larand 18 November 2015 15: 26 New
          -1
          Quote: Azitral
          You. It. What for? Just a concussion, or are there any suggestions?

          I mean, 22 million poor people in a country that claims to be a power speak of its frank weakness. And this can cross out all the “achievements” in world politics. At this rate, after 5 years, half the population will be poor.
          And they should choose options in the Kremlin, if they really think about our people and the people, and not just about the owners.
    4. Alexl
      Alexl 18 November 2015 09: 22 New
      -8
      Stalin also tried to appease Hitler.
    5. Absurdidat
      Absurdidat 18 November 2015 11: 00 New
      +3
      Yes, they’re minus you, but to figure it out, then the troops would have entered, there would have been a massacre, enemies for ages, and like we were only on the side of the militias, well, they helped a little, not the Russians killed the Ukrainians ... like ... but Now that we have strengthened our position in world politics and shown strength, it will be more difficult for us to poke and the Ukrainians understand that if they resist, either the third world war or they will be destroyed at once, and the Russians will be in Kiev in a week ...
      1. s5519
        s5519 18 November 2015 17: 54 New
        +1
        Judging by the Kremlin’s policies, our authorities hope for a slow economic death of Ukraine and a change in power there at the hands of the inhabitants of Ukraine, after which rapprochement with Russia should undoubtedly come. Donbass is seen in this version as a non-healing wound that does not allow Bandera Ukraine to recover and get stronger. It is very cynical, but politics is always like that - there has never been any justice, honesty in politics, there is none now and is unlikely to be in the future.
  5. meriem1
    meriem1 18 November 2015 06: 27 New
    10
    Still to come. Petrusha will not give up the power option .... and they won’t give him. This is just a lull!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 18 November 2015 08: 30 New
      +8
      President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko signed a law on the admission of foreign military personnel to the territory of Ukraine to participate in exercises. He announced this on his Twitter.

      “I signed the law on the admission of units of the armed forces of other states to the territory of Ukraine to participate in multinational exercises,” the president said.

      Recall that the Verkhovna Rada adopted as a basis and in general bill No. 3428 "On approval of the decision of the President of Ukraine on the admission of units of the armed forces of other states to the territory of Ukraine to participate in multinational exercises." 238 people's deputies voted for the corresponding decision.

      As stated on the website of the President of Ukraine, units of the US Armed Forces, other NATO member countries and Partnership for Peace member states are allowed to enter the country for up to 61 days - up to 2500 military personnel with weapons and military equipment.

      And just for training? And where will they go? And then all the equipment will be taken back or left for memory? ... along with some soldiers who completely voluntarily decided to help Ukraine?
      It’s clear that while NATO troops in Ukraine are “for exercises,” Russia will not do anything ... 60 days. Just what will happen to LDNR during this time?
      1. 15ghost10
        15ghost10 18 November 2015 09: 56 New
        12
        I announced yesterday on another branch that after the new year the 7th wave of mobilization begins. And like December 7th arrives in Kiev cf..ny cowboy Biden. Frosts begin in a week.
        They see rush to attack the New Year. And immediately under the mobilization they will reimburse 200x.
        But I don’t think that the GDP will now beg someone from Minsk, yesterday a lesson was demonstrated to everyone and how it will end for ukrovermaht. The fact that the Anglo-Saxons want to open a second front in Ukraine, I think no one doubts, I think the GDP will already act tough.
        1. Sailor
          Sailor 18 November 2015 11: 26 New
          +2
          I really hope so, and not how to stop in front of an empty Mariupol during the summer, afraid to aggravate the sanctions, and that the sanctions were imposed anyway.
        2. Petrol
          Petrol 18 November 2015 11: 28 New
          0
          15ghost10
          "Anglo-Saxons want to open a second front in Ukraine"
          I think it’s unlikely that 300 million dollars for 16 years will not help to start all over the front. These funds are too small to maintain the pants.
          I think Russia is forming a new problem: Asia is a mouse fuss along the borders with Afghanistan, the State Department is trying to ignite the bonfire of the Tajiks with the Tajiks!
          1. 15ghost10
            15ghost10 18 November 2015 12: 17 New
            +1
            if you look globally, they can set fire to Tajikistan and campaign in Europe again to arrange a mess in the Balkans.
          2. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 18 November 2015 13: 09 New
            +2
            Benzin "" Anglo-Saxons want to open a second front in Ukraine. "
            It seems to me on the contrary, everything is going to freeze the conflict in the Donbass. The emphasis in foreign policy has shifted to the Middle East completely. Anglo-Saxons have real interests there, unlike Ukraine. With the loss of Crimea and the Americans, interest in this country has lessened, I think it dawned on them that they could lose all of Ukraine, or most of it.))) If only Ukraine itself does not shake up the situation .... so Pete seems to me not to necessary. To sit in a chair, and even winter to survive on her nose.
        3. s5519
          s5519 18 November 2015 18: 03 New
          +2
          Of course, we all want a quick solution, but such issues are not quickly resolved. God grant that the Donbass cleansed its entire territory, it is desirable that several regions join it, for example, Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporizhzhya, Nikolaev, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, but in this case it will be a division of Ukraine, which our Kremlin authorities clearly do not want - their goal, as I understand it, is the whole of Ukraine, friendly to Russia. Thus, the most likely option is the next truce after the hostilities, which can simply be called a continuation of Minsk-2, and hostilities - a temporary exacerbation. And such tyagomotin can last for years until the patience of the inhabitants of Ukraine or Donbass bursts.
          1. RRR
            RRR 18 November 2015 21: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: s5519
            And such tyagomotin can last for years until the patience of the inhabitants of Ukraine or Donbass bursts.

            I’ll clarify: until in the Donbass they stop believing in Russia as the defender of Russians and Russian-speaking people.
            We were fed “breakfasts” last year, “funeral dinner” threatens to be in this, and annual funerals - in the next.
            If last year we lived for the delayed "coffins", now wait for the refugees who are worse than you and have to bury in the thousands - you can’t live anywhere without money (surprisingly). And we have nowhere to go - at least on foot, but to Russia
          2. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 18 November 2015 22: 45 New
            +3
            Well, even if, dear, patience of both of them bursts, then practically this will not change anything. What are their options for action? To attack and clean up the territory occupied by the enemy? For war, not just big money is needed, but huge! others do not have them. Therefore, there is no active action. The whole calculation is about who can’t stand the seat and breaks down the first to burn the skeleton of forces. Since both sides have entrenched well, the losses from the attacking side will be critical ... The only question is, who should expect -death?
        4. RRR
          RRR 18 November 2015 22: 05 New
          0
          Putin never in fact supports the “bottom” movement and does not rely on them. All his actions are precisely the implementation of his own plans, and precisely from above. Https: //vk.com/id930885
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 18 November 2015 22: 37 New
        +3
        Do you think that NATO troops will be on the line of contact? And do not allow Russia to strike Russia with your bodies? Ukraine is not Syria. It’s simpler here. You can strike from your territory, good next to it. In any case, Putin and his entourage, under no circumstances will not allow the destruction of LDNR, because then, as politicians it is death and shame.
        In my opinion, the most favorable solution is a preemptive strike against accumulations of punishers at the moment of their concentration at the initial borders. Of course, subject to categorical intelligence data of all levels.
        This land is uniquely Russian, Russian people live there, and it’s practically at our border, so that it’s impossible to ignore it.
        If this happened on the American border in Mexico or Canada, I doubt that the cowboys would indifferently watch the unfolding events ...
  6. Riv
    Riv 18 November 2015 06: 29 New
    +4
    I didn’t get it ... Again putinsil something? Or vice versa?
    What is the article about?
    1. Niki
      Niki 18 November 2015 08: 25 New
      0
      Well, apparently, I read all sorts of nonsense from someone's "insider" ...
      a fly in the ointment decided to add. Well, so that Putin’s "restructuring" would not inspire optimism.
    2. Alexl
      Alexl 18 November 2015 09: 23 New
      0
      That black is white.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 18 November 2015 06: 31 New
    +7
    Today, it can be stated that the danger of the start of a new phase of the war has been postponed again. How long?..This is a question .. here on the web, just now .. J. Kerry said that within two weeks the parties to the conflict in Syria will sit down for negotiations and the conflict will be settled .. the US is trying to force events in Syria .. what else would be in time for Outskirts?
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 18 November 2015 06: 47 New
    +5
    Putin put a bold comma in Ukraine, there will definitely not be a dot for a long time, but there will be a constant ellipsis and this does not please ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 08: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      Putin put a fat comma in Ukraine

      As I understand, you are a supporter of the idea of ​​Putin’s introduction ... Even with the introduction of any peacekeeping formations, from any countries, Ukrainians will fight with them. What a flawed idea of ​​guilt in what they have done with the country all around, except for the Ukrainians themselves ...
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 08: 27 New
        +3
        Ukraine is the cradle of Russian civilization!
        By coincidence of short-sighted errors, which has become a pseudo-state with an anti-Russian vector of development ...
        The Svidomo content of the original Russian lands is the last thing the Kremlin should worry about. And the Russian people, "guilty guilt" will never lead to reflection.
        But slurred actions make you think.
        Although a considerable number of people see this as a “Kremlin strategy and tactics,” which has not been observed at all since the collapse of the Union and the loss of control.
        So who is still more guilty of the loss of Ukrainian lands with the Russian population?
        1. victorrat
          victorrat 18 November 2015 10: 00 New
          0
          Okst, man ignorant of history. Who made this kuev? There is a cradle. And this shit was just convenient for 477 years, and then the place was moved to where it should be!
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 11: 42 New
            +2
            "Surround, ignorant of history ..."

            ??? However, your enviable confidence!
            But aren't you too high up on your judgment? And an assessment of people you don’t know?
            I would be very grateful if you answer which history faculty of which university you were lucky to graduate from, or what is the difference between Moscow and St. Petersburg scientific and historical schools on a problematic issue.
            "Where did the Russian land come from"?

            Just as History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, in this case, the subjective "truth" of the historical process is not permissible.
            You at least referred to someone, or something, but it’s just the same “statement on the verge of truth”.
            Yes, and the word “Kuev” was not used in my comment, even “Kievan Rus” did not write.
            You, by the style of your presentation, do not possess academic knowledge.

            Let me answer you, in the words of V.O. Klyuchevsky (if you know who it is, of course):

            “History teaches even those who don’t learn from her: she teaches them for ignorance and neglect. Whoever acts besides her or contrary to her always regrets his attitude towards her in the end.”
            1. Turkir
              Turkir 18 November 2015 12: 14 New
              +4
              Ukraine is the cradle of Russian civilization!

              Knowledge can be obtained without history, if there was a head.
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              There is a logical error in your words: the term Rus is ancient than the term Ukraine.
              Russia is the cradle of Ukrainian civilization - this is how your thought will sound if you use logic. Grushevsky, Klyuchevsky won't help here.
              ---
              Didn't we swing too high?
              1. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 14: 58 New
                -1
                Sorry, but I can’t even understand what you are linking your comments to. What does the term and time of their appearance? Ukraine (in the context of the commentary) is meant as a TOTAL OF TERRITORIES in historical retrospective, and not a modern term meaning the state and population.
                It is not necessary to present well-known things as your achievements and conclusions.

                With the etymology of the word "outskirts" and "Russia" more carefully, there may not be enough RAM.
                1. Turkir
                  Turkir 18 November 2015 15: 48 New
                  +2
                  I didn’t mean to offend you. But truth is more expensive.
                  I repeat - the term Russia appeared back in 626.
                  Ukraine is a Polish term, appeared at the end of the 18th century, with the light hand of Count Potocki. It signified the outskirts of the Polish state. The Russians designated the same territory with the term "Little Russia", which meant, in the language of that era, the root of Russia, a small homeland.
                  As you can see, nothing offensive in this term does not appear, on the contrary.
                  I understand that it is unlikely that my opinion will affect your worldview, but I hope that you yourself will come to this point of view. She, this point of view is not mine personally, but is shared by the scientific, historical circles to which you love to refer.
                  ---------
                  I do not discuss topics that I do not understand. And I do not express my opinion on any occasion. However, to write that "Ukraine is the cradle of Russian civilization" is not only absurd in terms of logic, but simply false.
                  Add a simple example. "Kiev is the mother of Russian cities"
                  It has long been noted that some commentators do not understand the meaning of what they read, taking it literally. Translated from Old Russian, in passing, I note "not Ukrainian," into modern Russian, this means "Kiev is the capital of Russian cities." I emphasize once again - not Ukrainian cities.
                  I hope I convinced you of something.
                  1. SibSlavRus
                    SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 16: 44 New
                    -1
                    For the first time I read from you that the word "outskirts" came from the Poles (there is only one linguistic group, even Old Slavonic, even Old Russian), you cannot know for sure here. Give at least a link to the material.
                    The second point: you should not take from I-net the first definitions that come across and pass them off as truth, because there is not even a clear and unambiguous opinion on definitions and time in the scientific and historical environment on the commented problem.

                    I repeat to you the second time that "Ukraine" is the historical name of a number of territories, the totality of territories is the first concept that appeared, and not the state.
                    Or do you prefer to call the full territorial list of lands, instead of a single word?
                    You are like a bad student - neither really write off, nor voice.
                    1. SibSlavRus
                      SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 17: 01 New
                      0
                      Of course, you do not hurt your worldview with your opinion and influence. laughing , but you provided me with a “pattern break”.

                      My beliefs, nevertheless, I am sure, are based on more serious and fundamental scientific works, and not on "excerpts" of the Internet.
                      You would nevertheless adapt the scale and depth of your thinking and perception, somewhat adapted to academic science and its conceptual apparatus.
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            2. andrew42
              andrew42 18 November 2015 17: 59 New
              +1
              I have a lot of friends who graduated from history faculty by three or four. Who just do not work. The fact of the end of the history faculty is not an indicator. Interest and vocation, combined with the duration of experience, is an indicator. So what did you say there, "Where did the Russian land come from"? And what, she went from Kiev? From the capital of the meadow? Oh really? Firstly, Kiev (in whatever status it was) was in the 8th century under the yoke of the Khazar Khaganate, whatever one may say. Whether the Khazar garrison stood there is a question. But not fundamentally. Secondly, the glade as a tribal union on the edge of the forest-steppe zone a priori could not be a powerful association - any passing nomadic people chose them as an object of attack (the dense Khazar yoke does not count). Another thing is the drevlyans, this alliance is much more powerful. As a matter of fact, the hired army of the Jewish community of Itil also buksanul them. And the concept that Kiev was overcome by the Drevlyans has lately claimed the most probable. Thirdly, Ruska’s land then came from Novgorod, Ladoga and Izborsk — at least according to the concept of “Normanists”, at least “Pan-Slavists” - everyone here is in solidarity. The "wealth" of Kiev, however, has been discovered only since the Khazar period. There were no traces of the “great city of Kiya” earlier, but of Kuyab - the distorted name of the Khazar “trading post” / center of the Sjor Dani - there is. So there is no need to poke Kiev as the "center of Russia." It was the center from the 10th to the 12th century, before the coalition took the princes led by Andrei Yuryevich Bogolyubsky. That is 300 incomplete years, and even then conditionally. The real status of the "center" was only with Svyatoslav Igorevich Khorobroi by Mstislav the Great. all. 200 years maximum.
              1. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 18 November 2015 19: 08 New
                0
                The totality of territories. Statehood.
                It is better to start from these concepts, the definitions of which are not seen in your comments.
                In historiography, the names Kievan Rus and Muscovite Russia are separated by the periodization of events.
                Why can't you keep up with Kiev? After all, the territory of Ukraine is not limited to this. And what was the composition of the territory at that time, do not indicate. And the period of his "exaltation" was not even mentioned, and most importantly, the rulers of Russia do not correlate with events.

                Of course, your desire to study historical science is laudable, but your methods of cognition and your empirical material do not stand up to criticism.
                You have everything to the heap. And you don’t want to refer to the source of “knowledge” in any way. This is not even a campaign, but a kind of plagiarism, because you didn’t do the research yourself (or did you study and analyze the historical sources?).

                And make a geographical reference to a specific period (time) and events, and preferably to the source. By God, it’s hard for you to understand.

                And stop arguing that the territory of Ukraine is native Russian lands. So you and the inhabitants of these lands, then, to which ethnic group do you belong?
  9. slizhov
    slizhov 18 November 2015 06: 53 New
    +2
    It's time to take up the junta ...
    I think the CE EUROPE will sober up now and ... as our president said, he will consider the candidates that need to be found everywhere and ... destroyed!
  10. Kaccad
    Kaccad 18 November 2015 06: 56 New
    17
    I foresee tomorrow howl of urapatriots ...

    Author, I do not understand!
    So it’s “frantic” to defend Putin’s restructuring proposal, and to call someone “urapatriot” besides himself?
    I would like to apply a reinforced concrete argument to the whole article: "And Cho?",
    but I will formulate in another way:
    "And what has changed in connection with this, how did we cover LDNR? Having broken the debt payments, did we increase the grouping of the republics? Did we increase the supply of arms? Forced the APU to go to places of permanent location?"
    Do not deny the obvious, this is an attempt to hold the West jointly and severally liable for Ukraine before us, but can we expect them to fulfill their promises? The signed "contract" with Yanukovych doesn’t tell you anything?
    My opinion that “sticking” 3 yards into Ukraine at that moment was justified, because it was a “plug” for any development of events, BUT on what conditions we want to return them, I think it’s not right, starting with the fact that “we need them now”, ending with what we get from this?
    Everyone probably knows that in politics, the THREAT of violence is sometimes more effective than violence itself. So it bothered us not to shout “Return the money !!” all this time, and then make an offer that no one expected from us, but calmly say “We will think” and give your “all-merciful” consent that we arrange, having furnished it with the necessary conditions.
    PS I understand that when you see how easily the IMF changes the rules for Ukraine, you can "strain", but you must not give in so easily.
    PPS Maybe I'm a urapatriot, but if, to be just a Patriot, it’s in each post to add "Glory to Putin - Putin Glory", then fool.
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 18 November 2015 08: 48 New
      +4
      Kaccad:
      I fully support! Moreover, there is an expression: Winners are not judged! And there is no need to justify them. As a rule, weak and losers are justified.
    2. wild
      wild 18 November 2015 08: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Kaccad
      Maybe I’m a urapatriot, but if, to be just a Patriot, it’s in every post to add “Glory to Putin - Putin Glory”,

      Than recently some authors of VO are engaged.
  11. Bomber480
    Bomber480 18 November 2015 06: 59 New
    0
    Good article, right, and the picture is just super!
  12. Glot
    Glot 18 November 2015 07: 01 New
    +4
    Wait and see what happens next. And all the forecasts, the matter is so unreliable that they should not be bothered. And in Ukraine, all this tramp for a long time ... Well, they made their choice.
  13. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 18 November 2015 07: 01 New
    +3
    And at this very time of calm Russia itself is preparing!
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 18 November 2015 09: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Ivan Slav
      And at this very time of calm Russia itself is preparing!

      If not a secret, why?
      1. Barboskin
        Barboskin 18 November 2015 10: 11 New
        +1
        We will find out about this when this happens. One of the signs of the handwriting of GDP.
  14. tungus
    tungus 18 November 2015 07: 04 New
    20
    I doubt very much that now the LDNR army is able to restrain ukrochasti on naked enthusiasm. As it was last year.

    Where did the idea come that last year ukrochasti restrained on enthusiasm? How do authors imagine this? Do they even understand how much ammunition was spent per day of fighting, given their intensity? Do they represent the amount of equipment involved? What kind of enthusiasm are you talking about?

    Actually, the rumors about Voentorg and the north wind are not rumors, this is a harsh reality. And this reality has not disappeared.
    As for hysteria in ukrosmi, yes, sofa warriors beat their heels in the chest. So what? Are many of these couches ready to go to the front? The story of failed mobilization clearly answers this question. As for the technical state of the Ukrainian army, the situation there is regrettable and it is not possible to improve it. Soviet stocks are not endless, and there is simply no production of their own on a whole list of basic ammunition and equipment.
    So I do not quite understand the pessimism of the authors. If there were a chance of victory and ruins, then do not hesitate, intense battles would already be on the whole front. But there is no chance. And therefore there are only provocative shellings.
    As for debt restructuring, Ukraine has nothing to do with this matter at all. This is a solution to completely different tasks and exchange with completely different structures.
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 08: 04 New
      +5
      laughing I’ve been on the site for a long time and will answer your question. The authors are well aware ...
      Quote: tungus
      Do they even understand how much ammunition was spent per day of fighting, given their intensity? Do they represent the amount of equipment involved? What kind of enthusiasm are you talking about?

      Moreover, they also represent what the war in the Donbass is. One, I know for sure, even has a medal from New Russia.
      1. wild
        wild 18 November 2015 11: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: domokl
        laughing I’ve been on the site for a long time and will answer your question. The authors are well aware ...
        Quote: tungus
        Do they even understand how much ammunition was spent per day of fighting, given their intensity? Do they represent the amount of equipment involved? What kind of enthusiasm are you talking about?

        Moreover, they also represent what the war in the Donbass is. One, I know for sure, even has a medal from New Russia.

        And what is there, is he taking the type of god by the beard? The ultimate truth ???
        1. domokl
          domokl 18 November 2015 14: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: wild
          And what is there, is he taking the type of god by the beard? The ultimate truth ???

          laughing try to integrate into civilization .. It may turn out ... besides mirrors and rattles we still have a lot of things
  15. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 18 November 2015 07: 17 New
    +2
    Firstly, someone must sign for Ruin, that is, to act as a guarantor, and not just in words, but everything should be documented. Secondly, payments in this case should start from 16, and not from 19, and this is fraught with that, according to the terms of the agreement, this automatically applies to other creditors. In the third, at least in parts, but we will get the money. Otherwise, the grandmother said in two. So, if the proposal is accepted, it’s a clear “ruin” for the Ruin.
    1. Reader
      Reader 18 November 2015 07: 37 New
      +2
      This is all the fucking thing, the most important thing is that thanks to this the junta will remain in power and continue to spread rot in the Donbass .. is this money more important than Russian lives? Moreover, we will not see them and they are not popular.
      1. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 18 November 2015 21: 21 New
        +1
        In any case, the junta will remain in power, as long as its owners need it, and you perfectly understand this, well ... or guess. So, this money in this case with Novorossiya and Russian lives is stupid. The junta, while they are needed, will in any case be maintained in a half-dead state for the time being. So there will be a default or not, and they will remain in power and continue to shed blood. But Russia will come in with this money, it’s a lot of expenses now.
  16. Reader
    Reader 18 November 2015 07: 23 New
    0
    I do not believe that there will be a collapse in Ukraine .. as always, some country (Ukraine) will save it by tearing money from its people and receiving instead a thank you piece of shit in the face.
  17. Aleksander
    Aleksander 18 November 2015 07: 25 New
    +9
    The second series of yesterday's article and the authors are still completely unconvincing. Once again, finance-blood and the life force of any war. Russia itself, for an indefinite long term, pours 3 billion dollars into the veins of crazy NazisThis is the military budget of ALL Ukraine! And that is why they will fight, they can pay mercenaries, build equipment and refuel it! In default it would be very difficult to do this ....
    WHERE in Putin’s statement the words about Russian benefit ?! There is only “about the relief of the partner’s situation” But is he the president of the partner? Or, after all, Russia?
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 08: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksander
      In default it would be very difficult to do this ....

      What are you saying on what basis? But according to my information, the IMF was even preparing to change the rules of financing for Ukraine. To default did not in any way affect the provision of loans. And for the United States, which budgeted military aid to Ukraine in the budget, all these arrangements are like a crumbling elephant
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 18 November 2015 09: 00 New
        +3
        Something tells me that no help will reach the ordinary soldier.
        How much money the State Department does not allocate, they all dissolve in the bottomless pockets of Ukrainian officials.
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      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 18 November 2015 10: 20 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        What are you saying on what basis?


        There is no money, no spare parts, diesel fuel, salary, it is obvious, in my opinion.
        1. domokl
          domokl 18 November 2015 10: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          There is no money, no spare parts, diesel fuel, salary, it is obvious, in my opinion.

          And why aren't they? They are. I repeat, the IMF was even going to change the Charter of the organization so that it was possible to give loans to Ukraine.
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 18 November 2015 08: 35 New
      +7
      Aleksander-y

      Forget about 3 lard that the junta received. They are already divided and today do not "play." They have no other money. Mercenaries are paid from pension Donbass and robbing their own.

      The transfer of the “shooter” to the EU and the United States (for three years on the lard) is a strong blow that is aimed at destroying the hegemony and double “values” of the entire Western community. The existing world is not only Europe and America. The rest of the countries are looking to whom to lean against, and the behavior of the participants in today's battles will be the key to the future world order. And you can’t buy it for any lard.

      This is war, sir. hi
    3. Forest
      Forest 18 November 2015 10: 22 New
      -7
      No one received a penny from these 3 billion in Ukraine. This is a payment for gas, and this money was never Russian.
  18. UVB
    UVB 18 November 2015 07: 26 New
    12
    I doubt very much that now the LDNR army is able to restrain ukrochasti on naked enthusiasm. As it was last year. Professionalism, with its inside out, has a competent calculation of its own and others' capabilities. Among the pros, the feat of 28 Panfilov’s is impossible.

    Simply put, today, in terms of fighting spirit, the armies are equal.
    What kind of nonsense? Sow panic? Authors, come to us in Lugansk and talk with fighters at the expense of fighting spirit!
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 18 November 2015 07: 48 New
      -3
      Yes, no need to ride. If Ukraine has a ten-fold superior in mobilization, then what is the conversation? But fortunately you do not have nuclear weapons.
      1. Cap.Morgan
        Cap.Morgan 18 November 2015 08: 54 New
        +6
        Do you think many people want to fight for Kiev?
        Volunteers are long over. Everyone already understands that in the Donbass it is easy to get a bullet in the forehead.
    2. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 08: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: UVB
      Authors, come to us in Lugansk and talk with fighters at the expense of fighting spirit!

      lol Do you really think that the authors have not been there? Read the reports of Banshee (Skomorokhov) about these visits. We have published a lot here.
      1. UVB
        UVB 18 November 2015 08: 24 New
        +5
        And you think about one more thing, what motivation do ukrov and fighters of Lao PDR have? What are they fighting for, and what awaits the latter in case of defeat? It's one thing to be here, I don’t know with whom he talked, but I live here.
        1. domokl
          domokl 18 November 2015 10: 10 New
          -2
          Quote: UVB
          What are they fighting for, and what awaits the latter in case of defeat?

          And what are they fighting for? From Ukraine, they are fighting with separatists who want to tear Ukraine apart. On the part of the LDNR, they are fighting the fascists who want to destroy the people's power. Both those and others are well aware that the victory of one of the parties threatens them with at least a long imprisonment or death.
          Can you tell me how the attitude of the fighters of the LDNR army to punitive differs from the attitude of the punitive to these fighters?
          And the last one. I have many friends who have stayed there. Most of those to whom the devil himself is not a brother. It was difficult to intimidate. but in recent months, and for some reason they have “shut up their tongues in ...” I don’t know one answer to any question. I haven’t heard anything. And the official media write about the holidays in Donetsk. about some regular events there. Everything is calm in Baghdad ...
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          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 18 November 2015 10: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            Both those and others are well aware that the victory of one of the parties threatens them with at least a long imprisonment or death


            And how does the victory of LDNR threaten the death of the Armed Forces? Sorry, this is bullshit. But the reverse situation, yes, yes.
            1. domokl
              domokl 18 November 2015 14: 53 New
              0
              When I asked exactly the same question to Mozgovoy ... The answer is the enemy should be destroyed. And those who doubt become supporters ...
              Quote: Aleksander
              And how does the victory of LDNR threaten the death of the Armed Forces?
  19. press officer
    press officer 18 November 2015 07: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: cap
    The photo is cool.
    "Bedtime Stories in Kiev Shelter laughing "



    in a Kiev shelter - for crazy gays laughing
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 18 November 2015 08: 13 New
      10
      Quote: press attache
      in a Kiev shelter - for crazy gays
  20. kuz363
    kuz363 18 November 2015 07: 45 New
    +2
    Obviously a failed offer. Why should Ukraine create favorable conditions for a Russian loan to the detriment of Western ones? Of course they will not agree. On the terms of Western loans - please. Otherwise, they may not pay at all. And the West will never give guarantees for Ukraine.
  21. Military Builder
    Military Builder 18 November 2015 07: 52 New
    +2
    Damn, the country of chronic dolby ... s, even foolish animals have an instinct for self-preservation
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 November 2015 08: 30 New
    +6
    Ukraine gets "scraps" from the master's table

    Ukraine itself has chosen its fate. And she was destined in the future to be content with scraps, because even if they didn’t ruin, they sold it. And the West is already really tired of the constant whining of Ukrainian politicians, and the need to maintain this insatiable regime at the expense of its taxpayers.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 November 2015 08: 44 New
    +4
    The article is incorrectly indicated. We are not talking about the embargo, we are talking about lifting preferences.
    The first is a ban, the second is a transfer to general working conditions.
    So what about Ukraine, if they climb to the Donbass, they will run to the Dnieper.
    And even if they don’t run, the hryvnia will definitely collapse.
  24. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 18 November 2015 08: 49 New
    11
    New Russia, in principle, cannot be surrendered. This is the political end for Putin, so it will be supported anyway.
    New Russia will not end its existence neither by the New Year, nor by the next New Year, and in general never, no matter how many soldiers they recruit into their ranks of the Armed Forces and how many rusty tanks they will pull out of storage bases. They will help the militia, they will call volunteers from Russia, hundreds of caravans with food, goods, weapons will go and all this will spin endlessly. Until the pro-Russian leadership is brought to power in Ukraine.
    Time works for Russia. The army is rearming. Now in Syria rockets will be shot from Soviet stockpiles and in their place will come modern, new ones.
    The terrorist attack in Paris stunned the West.
    He is not interested in Ukraine anymore.
    Negroes in Paris and Berlin are already tired of everything, Europeans do not want to add Ukrainians to them.
    Who said this terrorist attack was the last? What will happen after the bombings in Berlin? Rome London Your shirt is closer to the body.
  25. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 18 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +3
    Soon, no one will hear this Ukraine, or rather they will do what they don’t hear .... TIRED it already for everyone !!!
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 November 2015 09: 11 New
    +2
    It seems to me that the West will reject the offer of Russia.
    For there is already planned, when,
    who and for what pieces will finish Ukraine.
    And the first thing that Ukraine will hear in the new year,
    will be the word "restitution". And here you have to think about
    self-defense units to protect their homes from new-old owners.
    Although Europe will probably wait until spring,
    so that Ukraine would not blackmail with gas.
    And from the summer, fuss will begin ...
  27. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 18 November 2015 09: 28 New
    +5
    The installment decision is strong, and clearly thought out! Filed on time. And about the same spirit of both armies, I do not agree! Those who protect their home are always more motivated!
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      What do you mean by home? Home as a residence or home as a country? Just something rolled. Somehow it gradually turns out that both those and others protect the house.
      1. Stena
        Stena 18 November 2015 14: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        What do you mean by home? Home as a residence or home as a country? Just something rolled. Somehow it gradually turns out that both those and others protect the house.

        Hello, Alexander!
        I always read your articles and comments with interest.
        But, unfortunately, their tone has changed a lot lately - optimism has disappeared. You are very tired, it seems. You need to rest. Then the world will sparkle with all its colors ...
        About the article - I do not agree with the author. He considers one single pessimistic scenario. But in history there are many cases when smaller forces smashed large forces and in Russian practice there are especially many of them. In addition to fighting spirit, it also solves tactics, professionalism, ammunition security, etc. If the ratio of forces - 1:10 - this is not a fatal superiority. Depends on intelligence. Now, if the APU overlooks the availability of reserves at LDNR, or suddenly from somewhere aviation raids (or what missiles), then this concentration of forces will turn into a huge disadvantage, not an advantage.
        Therefore, we will prepare, we will wait.
        1. domokl
          domokl 18 November 2015 14: 59 New
          +2
          Artem is mutual. as you understand, I have a little bit of information on the Donbass. Although much less than before.
          and now according to your comment. I heard about cases of pogroms with lesser force. but I also know where the famous cities of Brain were fired from. One friend was nearly burned off the road.
          and second. You do not even notice that you yourself are climbing into a logical trap. Suddenly, out of nowhere appeared ... someone. So the conversation is that the LDNR army alone, I emphasize, independently, is not able to withstand the Ukrainians. And this must be admitted.
          and the task now is not to produce future LDNR Heroes posthumously, namely to prevent war ... One living soldier is better than ten dead heroes. Especially when he completed his task.
          1. Stena
            Stena 18 November 2015 15: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            One living soldier is better than ten dead heroes.

            Absolutely right.
            Quote: domokl
            So the conversation is that the LDNR army alone, I emphasize, independently, is not able to withstand the Ukrainians.

            and this is also true.
            Quote: domokl
            You do not even notice that you yourself are climbing into a logical trap.

            There is no trap. You yourself write -
            Quote: domokl
            but I also know where the famous city of Brain was fired from

            Here the interests of Russia and the rest of the world clashed. Therefore, all sorts of miracles are possible ... Moreover, our position (I mean Russia) is fundamental - the West has crossed the red line. Therefore, ours will help despite any economic situation. And the "north wind" and advisers and weapons, etc.
            We have a competent strategy, competent tactics. Need to endure and wait. And - more optimism ...
      2. Insurgent LC
        Insurgent LC 18 November 2015 16: 29 New
        +2
        at first there was a house as a place of residence, but after everything that happened LDNR for the majority became a house as a country, or rather a republic, and no one wants to try to go back to historical roots if it doesn’t work out like a Zaporizhzhya section-militarized state surrounded by
  28. Batia
    Batia 18 November 2015 09: 44 New
    +4
    Installment-decision is not just. 3 Lard is a lot of money and you need to get it, it is the interest of the state. The fact that there is no money in dill is clear to everyone. Conclusion, with torn sheep at least a tuft of wool. Do not give them that kind of money! And New Russia, I think, will stand it. Donetsk miners stood to death in the Patriotic War, and their descendants will not allow fascist reptile to their land. I believe in it!
  29. Cthulhu
    Cthulhu 18 November 2015 10: 09 New
    10
    Quote: SibSlavRus
    Ukraine is the cradle of Russian civilization!


    Sorry, but this statement is quite controversial. The unification and birth of Russian statehood went from Veliky Novgorod. It was the Grand Duke of Novgorod who transferred the capital of Ancient Russia to Kiev.
  30. Kuzyakin15
    Kuzyakin15 18 November 2015 10: 29 New
    0
    The authors again and again try to convince opponents of the genius of the course of GDP with Ukrainian debt!
    Question: Why would they be so persistent?
    If our opinion is interesting only to the forum users themselves and on top of it on .... b by and large, then is it time to move on to other topics. It seems that yesterday and the day before yesterday, copies on the topic were broken enough.
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 10: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Kuzyakin15
      It seems that yesterday and the day before yesterday, copies on the topic were broken enough.

      That's the beauty of VO that I can read, but I can not read. If the topic is not interesting, then it is not interesting. Why do you need to moderate topics?
      Opinion is and it has the right to be. We want it or not.
  31. malgos
    malgos 18 November 2015 10: 47 New
    +8
    The real Ukrainian patriot has two worries: to expel all Russians from Ukraine and go to Russia to earn money.
  32. Belousov
    Belousov 18 November 2015 11: 04 New
    +4
    Already tired of the cries of “urapatriots” about Putin’s “brilliant plan” according to which the West and staff will suddenly sign for Ukraine (!) And fulfill their obligations (!!), especially against the background of the forthcoming amendments to the IMF rules in favor of the Ruins (!!! ) Why on earth? And about the fulfillment of obligations, you can go to the glorious city of Rostov-on-Don and ask one local resident about the written (!!!!) guarantees of Western politicians.
    In addition, the question is - how can such a postponement delay the attack on the Donbass? The Ruin, as it had no money, will not appear, as there was a goal to drown everything in the blood, so the owners did not remove this goal. And then the delay and restructuring?!? In addition, war is needed to distract people from the plight of the country. And after granting a delay, the standard of living in Ruin will rise sharply to German or something and everyone will come out for a demonstration with the slogans "Peace, Labor, May!"? What kind of okhiney bear authors and other "Uryakalki"?
    It will be hot in New Russia, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been rebuilt, trained, received weapons, albeit the old Soviet ones from warehouses, but they did. And what is the progress of LDNR? They don’t tell us about this. Let's hope that there were no idleness either, ours also helped with weapons and materials, ammunition and medicines, communications and intelligence. So it will be difficult, but God willing will defeat again soldier
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 18 November 2015 18: 13 New
      0
      Then yes. The junta will try to give the "last fight", and very soon. But with the issue of restructuring "according to Putin," one must be careful. If you look in the context of exclusively the relations of the parties "Russia <-> Ukraine", then it’s not good. But if you look from the perspective of the parties "Russia <-> US Occupied Territory", then the proposal is normal. Trying to get money from "American" (simplified) guarantors is a normal move. Well, not from Ukraine to receive! - This is not real nonsense. Plus, Ukraine is once again exposed as an insolvent insolvent entity - negotiations on Ukraine’s debts are not with her, but O HER, with other players. Nobody asks Ukraine, and this fact also puts pressure on the image of the junta inside the square. And if you manage to wrest a lard back from the pack, then Donbass won’t be hindered by the restoration of any half-lard. With a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
      1. Belousov
        Belousov 19 November 2015 12: 01 New
        0
        Well, what are the next tales?!? What yard to snatch? Who? On what basis? Based on signed documents? Well, believe them - do not respect yourself. In what position the Ruin is lined up - this is also not news for a long time and does not surprise anyone.
        And about the fact that the polar will go to the Donbass ... All the money will go exclusively to the offshore accounts of the citizens of Rottenberg, Sechin, Millers, Usmanovs and other dvorovichi with Abramovich.
      2. Belousov
        Belousov 19 November 2015 12: 01 New
        0
        Well, what are the next tales?!? What yard to snatch? Who? On what basis? Based on signed documents? Well, believe them - do not respect yourself. In what position the Ruin is lined up - this is also not news for a long time and does not surprise anyone.
        And about the fact that the polar will go to the Donbass ... All the money will go exclusively to the offshore accounts of the citizens of Rottenberg, Sechin, Millers, Usmanovs and other dvorovichi with Abramovich.
  33. atamankko
    atamankko 18 November 2015 11: 20 New
    +2
    From the junta, you can only expect nasty things,
    there are no mentally healthy people.
  34. triglav
    triglav 18 November 2015 11: 29 New
    +1
    Everything is correct. We don’t leave our own.
  35. AKS-U
    AKS-U 18 November 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Or maybe it was not necessary to drag out this series for so long. Maybe much earlier it was necessary to save both people and the economy. Moreover, we are not wealthy in the war of finance. Or, as they say, in hindsight everyone is strong. Now we will save LDNR by deferred payment of loans.
    Do not fool your head, not everyone already (at least by age) believes in fairy tales.
    The situation in Ukraine was lost in March 14. But to admit it is both embarrassing and not beautiful. Like, "ours don’t leave their own." Throw, and still throw. And now we have to turn around and dodge. Gordian knot to cut, and the faster, the better.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 18 November 2015 16: 06 New
      0
      I put a plus to the comment, and a minus came up.
  36. vladek64
    vladek64 18 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +2
    Professionalism, with its inside out, has a competent calculation of its own and others' capabilities. Among the pros, the feat of 28 Panfilov’s is impossible.


    This is called spitting in the face of all officers. They are not capable of feat! Because "a feat is impossible among the pros." Or are these authors about the American army?

    And here is why
    "today the armies are equal in their fighting spirit"
    I think it is necessary to understand seriously. Maybe morale falls from what is happening in the LDNR? Maybe you need to restore order?
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 15: 04 New
      0
      Quote: vladek64
      Maybe morale falls from what is happening in the LDNR? Maybe you need to restore order?

      I do not know. But according to the articles that they write from there, everything looks better than in Moscow. holidays are different. Competitions and concerts. not Donbass but paradise on earth. Why doesn’t it pass other information ... I wonder why?
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 18 November 2015 23: 12 New
        +4
        Most likely, because all info streams have been taken under control. So, preparations are underway, and the personnel were told that the talker is a godsend for the enemy. And it’s explained what happens for a long tongue according to the laws of the war. So that the child doesn’t throw out secrets. And holidays are right, people should not lose heart.
  37. vippersona
    vippersona 18 November 2015 12: 24 New
    +9
    I completely agree with the first part, but with the second .... The author does not drive demons, last summer there was not an army, but what the hell! Each battalion was for itself, remember only Debaltseve when his Cossacks surrendered without a fight. And there was also Mius and Krsany Luch, who again surrendered. Cossacks who didn’t want to fight were sitting on my budenovki. There was a situation such that any field commander could send three letters of leadership and do whatever he wants. And in the summer we won only because the North Wind blew. Now the republic has become many times stronger. Technique, full of people. Yes, Ukrainians will break through. But how could it be otherwise, if only tens of thousands are under Volnovakha, they are sitting with mercenaries. But who said that the North Wind is not blowing, who said that he does not know about it? It is now hoped that the Ukrainians will break the truce and include the fools, which is like we strictly adhere to Minsk. And remove the weapons to explain the breakthroughs ukrov. But as they break through, they will be destroyed. Break through to the border - the new Ilovaysky and Southern boiler. In Donetsk, inside the city they will be slammed, and that’s all. Do not think that those clowns who were sitting here last year really decided something. This shooter was so stupid that he confused the Northern friend with cards. But still, everyone continues to yell that he is a hero. Even after this clown calls for the overthrow of Putin. Understand- ALL decides Northern Friend, absolutely. And if someone thinks that the republics are on their own, then think again. EVERYTHING is decided by the Northern friend, and all those who are supposedly a hero are, in many ways, simple media characters.
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 15: 10 New
      +1
      drinks Well, with the Cossacks, a separate story. and here I agree with you ... And with Demons? Ghosts? Yes, then everyone was for himself. But they kept like burrs on the ass. you can’t tear it off. Without show-offs stood to death.
      And the north wind did not blow through all the windows. Oh, not at all. For some reason, after Donetsk and Lugansk, it subsided ... Even the pasta did not reach ...
      I also think that in the end LDNr will win. But when will this final count come? And how many lives do you have to give for it?
  38. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 18 November 2015 12: 26 New
    +1
    Already written: 15.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX. Message from Igor Yashchenko. From the LPR militia:
    "According to intelligence, the number of armed forces units in the LPR is growing. Stanitsa-Lugansk is more than 9000 people and about 350 BBM units. In the area of ​​Happiness - about 6200 people and up to 200 units of equipment, in the Trekhizbenka area from 1000 to 1500 people, and about 50 BBM units "Up to 10 people and about 500 pieces of equipment are concentrated on Bakhmutka. In the area of ​​Popasnaya and Zolotoy, the enemy concentrated 350 thousand people and 8000 pieces of armored vehicles. In total, about 150 people are concentrated in the LPR."
    I believe that this is all pulled together, only to the borders of the LPR, not only so that Poroshenko and Co. would not interfere.
    The authorities in Ukraine need a strong country? No.
    Where can they train and shell motivated fighters, conduct combat coordination of units? In the Donbas!
    Kiev only in words seek to regain the DNI and LC. If this were so, then they would not methodically destroy the infrastructure of these territories.
    But in the spring, forward to the West. To help local nationalists clear Europe of the migratory influx. Again, by the wrong hands. Remember the suppression of the 1944 uprising in Warsaw. The Germans, when those who burned Khatyn began to do this, nervously smoked aside. So they have experience and ability too.
  39. Kaban45
    Kaban45 18 November 2015 12: 29 New
    +2
    As these Ukrainian kings are already fed up, everything is numbed by him. Who would reassure them!
  40. Fat
    Fat 18 November 2015 12: 38 New
    +5
    For this purpose, vehicles with food were installed in three districts of the capital and offered all the people of Kiev “humanitarian aid” from “United Russia” and Putin.
    The result was more than unexpected for the city, which only yesterday chose Vitali Klitschko as its mayor of “cicero”. Most residents of Kiev gladly accepted help from the aggressor, they even said words of gratitude to the "United Russia" and Putin personally. And some, absolutely irresponsible, citizens even demanded a “supplement”. Moreover, the proposed set of products was very modest: sprats, cereals, vegetables.

    In general, it turned out that the people of Kiev easily bought at least “United Mongolia”, at least “Fair Honduras”.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 18 November 2015 16: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Gros

      In general, it turned out that the people of Kiev easily bought at least “United Mongolia”, at least “Fair Honduras”.

      Why talk about people like that? People need to somehow survive. And the fact that they take an unpretentious food set means that they are on the verge of survival: freeze up or die from hunger.
      Only some of them are bought and sold, there are such elements in any society .. And the word "election" is written by the citizens of Ukraine in quotation marks. That elections are without a choice is well known to the Russians.
      By and large, there is a colonization of Ukraine by the states and the west, where the majority of the population must die. Only those who give legitimacy to the genocide process and carry it out are funded - the rest of the people are trying to survive. And nothing depends on them, except to die today, tomorrow or later, from hunger, cold, torture or a bullet.
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  42. Gomel
    Gomel 18 November 2015 12: 42 New
    +1
    Title and article illustration - alteration of a scene from the 2015 movie of the year "Men and Chickens"
    One of the best film reviews very accurately describes the current situation in Ukraine:
    (highlighted by me)
    "Another masterpiece from Mr. Jensen. This time, the Danish director steps into the territory of [b] grotesque tragifars [/ b]. And he does it brilliantly. Like any great movie, this opus [b] consists of many details that ultimately add up in a single puzzle [/ b]. The characters and types of the main characters are written out with surgical accuracy, and only [b] only at the very end it becomes clear to us where the legs come from [/ b] in this scenario dominant. In general, I want to say separately about the scenario. develops so naturally and smoothly that sometimes the sensation the reality of the world being drawn is lost. And [b] it sometimes seems that the director led us into some kind of absurd black tale [/ b]. So it is. This is a real fairy tale. For naughty children. [b] But this fairy tale, like usual, with a good ending. (I'd like to hope so for Ukraine).

    Danish contemplation and melancholy is the best suited as a background to the on-screen madness. [b] This madness looks funny in its own way, sometimes even hilarious. Probably worth mentioning that this film is not for everyone. Rather, even the opposite [/ b]. "For those who are tuned in to the right wave and understand the difference between brute reality and dark fantasy."

    or:

    "The film is very ambiguous. [B] Something tough, even cruel (in relation to some). At first it seemed like some kind of nonsense [/ b]. The madness of the heroes is sometimes disgusting and cruel, sometimes funny. As the plot progresses, this is absurd gloomy fantasy, intertwined with rough reality, begins to drag out. [b] The ending is unexpected. [/ b] "
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 18 November 2015 23: 18 New
      +3
      Thank you for not being too lazy. To the very point hi
  43. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 18 November 2015 12: 56 New
    -1
    All this butch in the Donbas is one big mistake. It was necessary to act either decisively, according to the Crimean scenario, or not act at all as neighbors. The banderlogs arrived, galloped and left. For that, people are alive, safe at home. And Donbas would fulfill its role of an anchor on the neck of a square, as it was once assigned to him. Soon we will have to fight for it, because You can’t surrender, dill will solve all.
  44. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 18 November 2015 14: 54 New
    -1
    Surkovites rushed to explain to qualified consumers the next ingenious cunning plan about how we are now - no, but then - YES. Citizens habitually heed promises about the next construction of a superpower (communism) by the 2000th year, sitting in everyday mud, lawlessness and humiliation. For the sake of a brighter future, of course.
    About a bright future - every time since 2004, Ukraine sent the Krelevskys in a certain direction on money-gas issues. Each time, the Kremlin first threatened with punishment and promised everything, then, in spite of the impeccable legal registration of its innocence, it quietly wiped itself and crawled away. The current "installment plan" feint is a repetition of a hundred times passed. Everyone in Ukraine knows - you can borrow from Russia, and then send it with any requirements, the Kremlin ones are actually helpless.
  45. marinier
    marinier 18 November 2015 15: 04 New
    0
    It’s not surprising if the reactionary circles of Little Russia try to remind themselves of themselves. By escalating the armed incident. 4
    world circles, then at least European.
  46. pts-m
    pts-m 18 November 2015 15: 49 New
    0
    and what is a reasonable article. it has its own positive logic. that’s all this could materialize in the right direction. time will tell.
  47. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 November 2015 16: 40 New
    0
    We need to take a couple of trump cards in Syria to resolve the issue with Ukraine
  48. Indifferent
    Indifferent 18 November 2015 20: 07 New
    +4
    I’ll write my drop of “honey” in the tar barrel of the authors of the article.
    - ukrov went through several mobilization and in this case half of them are not fired.
    - part of the soldiers do not really understand what they are fighting for, especially if at home the mother is sitting on the same potato without work.
    And I wrote the main motivating signs. Now the military.
    - in fact, two cities and all remained of the DLNR. The leadership of the republics felt a taste of power and was in no hurry to flee to Russia. No one is waiting there.
    - nobody wants to go full! Tortured and hanged. So fight until the cartridges run out.
    - Now about the army. Cooking it Americans. They have an offensive battle ratio of 10: 1. As it is now. This is normal.
    Now imagine the battle in the urban development of youths who have little understanding of how they are fighting in the city. Perhaps APU and take the city. But the losses will be terrifying. And then at night the “north breeze” will blow and throw the APU into pre-prepared positions. What will Potroshenko say to his people? The question?
    I am sure that we should not lose the Donbass. We need Minsk agreements, and ours will do everything in their power to ensure that they are implemented. Before the election, the military phase of the conflict cannot begin. There are no clear incentives. Farting from two mortars is not an incentive! And Syria can help us a lot if it works out according to ours.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 18 November 2015 23: 29 New
      +4
      Dear, you are right about the recruits. How many do not chase them, the exercises are certainly good, but they will not replace a real battle. Especially as difficult as the city one. It requires very careful coordination of the units. So, it’s not known where the EW service that came from can make such a mess into the advancing order that they will turn into a poorly controlled crowd of armed temple people. And, as practice shows, those who started wandering around without command of the unit are practically doomed.
  49. Amper
    Amper 18 November 2015 20: 31 New
    0
    "... Citizens habitually heed the promises about the next construction of a superpower (communism) for the 2000-11th year, sitting in everyday mud, lawlessness and humiliation. For the sake of a bright future, of course ..."

    Promises to raise the retirement age - I remember, Cancel indexation of beggarly pensions - I remember, the requirement to tighten my belts - I remember!
    I don’t remember about the promise of a bright future! request
  50. Divandek
    Divandek 18 November 2015 20: 58 New
    0
    And in prison tomorrow pasta ...