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Three roads of the Bolshevik press (1921-1940) (Part of 2)

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"Road number XXUMX" or other simplicity, worse than stealing!


Publication "Roads №1»Caused an ambiguous reaction of VO readers. But it is very significant that “FOR” 11 votes, “AGAINST” 5, but “comments” to it were 90! That is, the factual side of the matter was unknown to the majority (and it would be strange if our people started to read Pravda from 1921 to 1940 a year, for no reason at all), but people actively expressed their opinions. But an opinion not based on knowledge is worth a little. No wonder it is said that in a war every general believes that the main blow falls on him. It is the same in peaceful life: one experience shows one thing, and documents and newspaper articles are often completely different. Therefore, it is worthwhile to get acquainted with the sequel to get even more information, and, accordingly, food for thought. And it is possible that someone will even get into the library and open the dirty yellowed pages of old newspapers on his own ...


The tradition to scold liberals is as old as ... Pravda!

As for the “road number 2”, along which the Soviet press advanced from 1921 to 1940 a year, it is also associated with publications telling about life in capitalist countries (although it is clear that life in the USSR was the main theme). However, their tone differed sharply from articles of a political nature, and it was from them that readers could get at least some real information about life abroad. The content of these materials concerned, above all, the achievements of Western science and technology. And here we will also see clear contradictions in informing Soviet citizens from the “most truthful press” in the world.

The fact is that since the 1923 of the year, headings called “Science and Technology” have appeared in central and regional print media, telling about new developments not only Soviet, but also foreign scientists. The tone of the articles was purely neutral. Absolutely no attacks on the realities of life abroad they contained.

On the pages of the central and regional press one could see publications about the achievements of Western science in the field of technical acoustics, organ transplantation, wireless telegraphy, discoveries and the latest technical developments, etc. Newspapers wrote that in the enterprises in America, it became possible to “replace people with machines”, each of which “performed the work of at least a dozen people: for producing addition and subtraction, calculating profits, compiling bills and a monthly report”. Surprisingly, in the country covered by the economic crisis, which was written on the front page, the last one reported that “literally every month more and more new devices are thrown onto the market, replacing 5-10 labor with one machine, which the most ignorant worker".

From the content of articles on the latest developments of Western science, including reprints from the journal Popular Mechanics, Soviet citizens learned that foreign scientists are interested in the USSR and create scientific societies for the study of the Soviet state. In Switzerland, for example, “the“ Society for the Study of Russia ”was constructed. Moreover, it should be emphasized that often all these events took place just at the time when the “threat of war” with capitalist countries, judging by other publications, was catastrophically increasing.

For example, in the 1930 year, when our newspapers wrote on the front pages that “the pre-crisis position of the American workers is lost forever, the movement can only go through enormous deterioration,” according to their own reports in the United States, “ultra-long-distance photography” was carried out. Farmers used a disc plow-harrow, which “greatly improves labor productivity”, grew “sweet lemons”, and ordinary people could buy “a cheap and convenient apparatus for shooting a movie (so in the text - by the authors) and demonstrating them at home.” But in Germany at that time they started to produce glass wool, made progress in the field of radio aviation and used the newest street cars, “performing work not only on simple garbage collection, but even on washing the bridges”. That is, on the one hand, everything literally fell from starvation, and on the other, they created cars to wash the pavements, and for some reason the Soviet press did not notice these inconsistencies. Moreover, the theme of washing streets in the West, as was popular in Russian pre-revolutionary newspapers, so smoothly flowed into the Soviet press!

That is, the average man who read Soviet newspapers could easily conclude that not everything is so bad there if science had achieved such success. And again, in comparison with the materials on the life of the common people, the tone of articles about the novelties of technology remained neutral. This can be seen even in the publications on new developments in the field of science and technology in Germany, where the “Foke Wolf aircraft factory” (in the text - authors) in Bremen released a new model of the FH-200 “Condor” aircraft. The aircraft is all-metal construction and is adapted to fly at high speeds over long distances. It is equipped with four engines, but if necessary it can fly on two engines. The aircraft’s crew consists of two pilots, a radio telegraph operator and a navigator. In addition to the crew, the aircraft can carry 26 passengers. The average speed of the aircraft - 345 km per hour. Maximum - 420 km. Fuel consumption - 9 liters per hour. With two engines, the aircraft can reach speeds in 200 km per hour at an altitude of 1.000 meters. The radius of the aircraft - 3 thousands of kilometers, the ceiling - 4.000 meters. " As can be seen from the above example, no comments were made regarding the goals of creating a new model of the aircraft, just its technical characteristics and parameters were communicated.

Within a few months before the start of the Great Patriotic War, Soviet newspapers published laudatory articles about the significant successes of the German army in rearmament, and in particular that in the German army "favorable results were achieved when using silent engines on airplanes." These motors were so technically perfect that even at the maximum rotor speed they produced “no more noise than an electric car”. In addition, “the German radio company Telefunken patented a new communication system,” the properties of which “make it possible to use infrared rays to secretly transmit telephone and telegraph signals between ships at sea, between planes and the ground, etc.”

In general, this was characteristic of all the materials of the Soviet press concerning new inventions and the achievements of foreign science in the field of technical progress. Here, for some reason, the Soviet press clearly reduced its agitation fervor in criticizing everything Western, which immediately caused a clear contradiction in the perception of information about life in foreign countries: on the one hand, almost all segments of the population, except the ruling elite, lived in inhuman conditions, on the other - science and technology is constantly evolving. And it would be fine if they only developed ... They were consumed!

This tendency to cover foreign events continued until the very beginning of the war. For example, from the publication 1940 of the year, on the practical application of such a "miracle" of modern science as "Nylon" Synthetic Fiber, one could see a significant difference in the standard of living in our country and in the USA. There, "stockings and other knitted goods made from new nylon fiber, whose raw material is coal, air, and water, went into mass sale." Further, it was reported that not only Americans were so lucky, because "the production of nylon on DuPont patents begins this year also in England and Italy." In addition, "in the United States, another chemical trust has launched the production of synthetic fiber called vignon, from vinyl resins made from acetylene." “A similar fiber is produced on a large scale in Germany under the name“ pece ”fiber (from the initial letters of its German chemical designation polyvinyl chloride) and that it has high resistance against chemical reagents, rotting, and has high insulating properties. These fibers are currently used mainly for the manufacture of technical fabrics. According to the American press, they are widely used in Germany for the manufacture of parachute fabrics. ” Well, and make sure that it was not a fiction Soviet citizens could have in a year, when parachutes from this very fabric opened over our country, and all the distortions in informing turned against us!

It should be noted that a similar tendency was also characteristic of publications of the regional press, after analyzing which one can find the same inconsistency. For example, in 1940, the Penza newspaper Stalin's Banner, following the central newspaper Pravda, reported the plight of workers and peasants in Western countries *, but materials still appeared on its pages objectively telling about technological innovations in the Western world. If you carefully examine its materials, you get an interesting and controversial picture. On the one hand, the newspaper wrote that, for example, the “Terror at the Ford Plant” was deployed in the United States, that at the enterprise “the workers ... were beaten up and terror”, “the factory developed a whole system of espionage and provocations directed against members union. " On the other hand, on the fourth page of the newspaper in the “Science and Technology” section, readers could learn that in the United States in 1939, the “first windowless plant in the world” was built, in which “all the workshops ..., as well as the design office and the factory office is located in the same building without partitions. Convenient installation provides the same temperature, humidity ... regardless of the weather or the season. In an hour, the volume of air in a building changes approximately 5 times. Fluorescent lamps fill workplaces with an even light, almost without shadows. The walls of the building, made of special material, and the ceiling, insulated with a cork, so soften the noise that it does not interfere with employees and even laboratory workers. ”

And one conclusion, which the reader himself could already have made, that the working conditions of the workers in this country of “brutal capitalism” are not that bad at all. Moreover, our workers at this time could not even dream of anything like that! And even a plane-car is the latest 2013 of the year, and it first appeared in the United States, moreover in the 1937 year, which our newspapers immediately reported! As if it was impossible to keep silent about it? And it is impossible to write about the plight of workers in the same United States and at the same time about the automotive industry developed in this country and the achievements in agricultural technology. It’s impossible, well, if only because even the most “simple” people would inevitably have to ask the question: “And who then uses all this if the workers and farmers are starving there all the time ?!” Well, they would give this information to technical specialists, at work, in collections of chipboard. But on the one hand it turns out “we, the besieged fortress”, and “the world revolution is knocking on the door of the West”, and on the other - the apparent contradictions between the content of the first and last pages of the newspaper. Meanwhile, any “fortress”, good or bad, must be able to defend itself. That is, the information flow existing in it, at least, should not contain contradictions!

* Speech by A.A.A. Voholy at the Extraordinary Fifth Session of the USSR Supreme Soviet. “This was an invention in Western Ukraine - splitting a match into four parts in order to save!”
Reproduced by: The reunification of the Ukrainian people in a single Ukrainian state (1939 - 1949). Collection of documents and materials. Kiev. 1949 year.
(Authors' comment: try to cut the match into four parts yourself. For two, yes, for four it will not work. Someone will say that then the matches were thicker. No, the standard of the Swedish match was always the same! Many, by the way, read This, tried to do so at the time. Did not work!)
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  1. sa-ag
    sa-ag 19 November 2015 07: 02 New
    +1
    "... And even a plane-car is the last novelty of 2013 and it first appeared in the USA, moreover, back in 1937, which was immediately reported by our newspapers!"

    Well, and who used it then and now, is it like a missile belt? Apart from a few enthusiasts, no one, so this is not an indicator. In the USSR, amateurs built their ultralight aircraft and flew, though in strictly designated places for this, in the same flying clubs.
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 19 November 2015 07: 41 New
      +9
      Another article watering the USSR, the socialist state of the working people, with dirt.
      And to note that during this period, the USSR from an agrarian backward state turned into a world industrial power, built its industry, including a defense industrial shield, created its masterpieces of technology, defended the country and people in the future World War, conducted an educational and cultural revolution, weak in the former masses of their illiterate country?
      1. kalibr
        19 November 2015 07: 51 New
        -13
        Truth also wrote about this. Why repeat what everyone knows? It is necessary to write about what they do not know! And then ... that's all the USSR did. And where is he? Such a powerful one who led a revolution ... etc. etc.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 19 November 2015 08: 13 New
          +6
          If you write about the achievements of the West, the USA in “the production of female nylons” in the 20-40s of the last century, and present this as the top of the development of Western technology and technology, forgetting what we had at that time in the country , this suggests that you and others like you are pouring mud on our country.
          And the question
          "That's all the USSR did. And where is it?"
          wait, give time, we will gather our strength, we will expel traitors and liberals from power, and we will restore Russia, which will be asked for bygone regions of the USSR, as South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transnistria, Donbass are now asking for.
          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 08: 42 New
            -3
            You do not know what to read or do not understand what is written? We do not glorify the West for the production of "nylon stockings." The TRUTH wrote about this as an achievement, and IT FORGOTTEN WHAT SITUATION WE HAD IN THE COUNTRY. That is, it was not necessary to write about it at all! Is it really not clear ?! And as for the gathering with force, we will expel ... Yes, throw the fool to amuse! You don’t know how to read and understand what you’ve written, but you’re about to compete with those who know all the intricacies of the "seduction" of the "popular masses." Not even funny! And they will still ask for rich Russia, yes, but not in the USSR — these are two big differences!
            1. The lead
              The lead 19 November 2015 11: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: kalibr
              don't understand what is written?
              You do not understand this.
              Quote: kalibr
              "nylon stockings." The TRUTH wrote about this as an achievement
              To listen to you, in Truth they only wrote about stockings.
              Quote: kalibr
              That is, it was not necessary to write about it at all
              Liberals like you then sat in Truth and under the guise of impartial coverage of the situation in science and wrote inappropriate articles.
              Quote: kalibr
              rich Russia will still be asked, yes, but not in the USSR — these are two big differences!
              Is Russia rich when is it? And does the USSR mean a beggar? The standard of living under the USSR was higher than the present. The USSR had great potential for further development, based on the principles of a society of social justice and the ideals of a society of creators. But you like this is a consumer society, capitalist exploitation of society from their superprofits.
              1. kalibr
                19 November 2015 12: 24 New
                -2
                Quote: Lead
                Liberals like you then sat in Truth and under the guise of impartial coverage of the situation in science and wrote inappropriate articles.

                Here you are very well written! Bravo! So, after all, didn’t it be necessary to write them or was it necessary to throw liberals out of the editorial office? Question: why not thrown away?
                1. The lead
                  The lead 19 November 2015 12: 45 New
                  +3
                  Quote: kalibr
                  throw liberals out of the office
                  It is enough to put a normal editor.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Question: why not throw it away?
                  Why was anti-Soviet subversive propaganda conducted in media and art films? It was this propaganda that led to the reformatting of the Soviet elite, which was directly involved in the collapse of the USSR, and the people who approved the collapse. Liberalism is generally a disease of Russian society. politics, only then it will be possible to push liberalism into the category of a handful of eccentric marginals who do not pose a threat to national security.
                  1. kalibr
                    19 November 2015 13: 13 New
                    -2
                    Wonderful! I AM FOR! But then the question is: why was it not carried out? Was this not understood, or did the liberals "paralyze everything" even then, including Comrade Stalin? Or did he also not see this problem? And if the whole thing is in the NORMAL CHAPTER, then why not put it?
                    Quote: Lead
                    only then can liberalism be relegated to the category of a handful of eccentric marginals who do not pose a threat to national security.

                    Was it done at that time? Is this being done now?
                    1. The lead
                      The lead 19 November 2015 13: 42 New
                      +2
                      Quote: kalibr
                      why wasn’t it done?
                      Your article gives an example of a fight: a headline in the newspaper Pravda. The fight was fought, but not enough.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      liberals then "all paralyzed"
                      That was the situation.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      including comrade Stalin
                      Stalin dealt with current problems, this is his serious omission, which had a catastrophic effect for the USSR (the example of China, which could be divided into several states and eliminated the threat of the emergence of a new superpower in the future). Fighting liberalism is a lot of work for the future, the struggle for the minds of subsequent generations.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      if the whole thing is in the NORMAL CHAPTER, then why not put it?
                      They probably thought that a person was worthy, quite a patriot, but in reality they all adhered to liberal convictions, all these are omissions in personnel policy.
                      Quote: kalibr
                      Was it done at that time? Is this being done now?
                      Of course, the fight against liberalism was not conducted consciously, purposefully and consistently at the state level, since the degree of threat was not fully recognized. Now we have a liberal government, and accordingly, liberal foreign and domestic policies are being pursued. Liberalism in the Russian Federation is currently green. Patriots, such as I. Strelkova, are subjected to indiscriminate criticism both by liberals and pro-government cheers-patriots who unconditionally support the liberal government, therefore they are not patriots, although they use patriotic rhetoric.
                      1. kalibr
                        19 November 2015 14: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lead
                        Of course, the fight against liberalism was not waged consciously, purposefully and consistently at the state level, since the degree of threat was not fully understood.

                        HERE! You answered me !!! And just all the work about it, about the problem of this threat at the information level. There is even a book that my daughter wrote "Poisoned Pen: Russian Journalists against Russia, Soviet Journalists against the USSR." By the way, an excerpt from it was already here. It won’t be published ...
                        And so I am ready to subscribe to each of your statements above.
                      2. The lead
                        The lead 19 November 2015 14: 34 New
                        +2
                        Quote: kalibr
                        And so I am ready to subscribe to each of your statements above.
                        You see, declarations alone are not enough. Judging by your anti-Soviet comments, you are a liberal. Liberalism can be cured by striving for truth and truth. A good example of this is I. Strelkov, with his truthfulness and the resulting wisdom, which is the ability to see things as they are themselves on its own, and not through the prism of subjective concepts. In the debate, the liberal patriot, the latter is doomed to defeat, no matter how sophisticated sophisticated mind.
                      3. kalibr
                        19 November 2015 16: 18 New
                        -2
                        All the materials in the newspapers, right? The article provides examples. It is said, "He that has ears, let him hear." Add - and the eyes.
                        Quote: Lead
                        Judging by your anti-Soviet comments, you are a liberal.

                        So what? Do we have a liberal democratic party banned by law? Lenin did not write the work "Persecutors of the Zemstvo and the Annibals of Liberalism." People were dying with a cry of "Long live freedom!" They went to the barricades. I’m writing about a country in the development of which many mistakes were made that led it to disaster. Or sing "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise, so good things are with us!" Do you want that?
                      4. The lead
                        The lead 19 November 2015 17: 06 New
                        +1
                        Quote: kalibr
                        many mistakes were made leading her to disaster. Or sing "All is well, beautiful marquise
                        Look, doesn’t it seem to you that the union “or” is out of place? Can it still be replaced by “and”? A true, objective reflection of the history of the USSR is an honest presentation of both negative and positive aspects. Do you have ? Either black or white.
                      5. kalibr
                        19 November 2015 17: 15 New
                        -1
                        A match in four parts is this a true reflection of the history of the USSR? And they already wrote about white - that's about the fact that no one wrote to me, and this is important, you yourself agreed to this before. And from your point of view, am I not?
                      6. The lead
                        The lead 19 November 2015 17: 54 New
                        +2
                        The essence of the contradiction between us is different. Are you ready to admit that your highest ideological value is the good of the people and the state? Do you have a sincere desire for truth and truth, and not for some abstract concepts: freedom, democracy, a tear of a child, etc.? If you try to live and work in such a coordinate system of values, you will gradually squeeze liberalism out of yourself.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        That's about the fact that no one wrote to me, and this is important
                        I wrote to you that it was necessary to briefly outline the general situation as a whole and only then to reveal the topic.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        You yourself agreed to this before.
                        I agreed that there were serious flaws in the ideological work in the USSR.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        And from your point of view, am I not?
                        Already answered that one declaration is not enough. If you judge by cases: you are a liberal. According to your declarations you are positioning yourself as a patriot. Probably the reason for the contradiction is in you, you have not fully decided what patriotism and liberalism are, what you need to do to be a patriot.
                      7. kalibr
                        19 November 2015 18: 34 New
                        -1
                        What does the Bible say? You will know them by deeds! My books and articles are in front of you. The book "Knights of the East", written with the money of Soros - on the Web. Is this the case? Or a declaration? Who benefited from this? And for you, the “case” is these three articles (the third will still be!). Is it too primitive judgment? By the way, what’s so bad about the "tear of a child." Should children suffer? You agreed that there were serious flaws in the ideological work in the USSR. It is all recognized who is not an oak. But I will also say little to acknowledge. It is necessary to find specifically in what they were expressed and make sure that they do not repeat. By the way, take a look at my page on the website of Pravda.ru. There too - business! Not a declaration! Take a look!
                      8. The lead
                        The lead 19 November 2015 19: 16 New
                        0
                        You still haven’t answered how you position yourself: are you a patriot or a liberal? What is your opinion on the value system that I have proposed?
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Is this the case? Or a declaration?
                        In the context of our discussion, actions are actions that convincingly reveal your political position. Based on the actions that you demonstrate here about you and form the concept of a liberal. Understand correctly, I have no intentional desire to label you, I’m just I state a fact.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        By the way, what’s wrong with the "tear of a child."
                        I don’t see anything bad in it. The fact is that this value must not be considered divorced from reality, as the only existing value, but in its entirety, while maintaining a clear understanding of what place this value occupies in the overall hierarchy of values. Then you never get confused and make the only right decision in a particular situation.
                        Quote: kalibr
                        there were serious flaws in ideological work in the USSR. It is all recognized who is not an oak. But I will also say little to acknowledge. It is necessary to find specifically what they expressed and make sure that they do not repeat
                        If you evaluate these words literally, then everything is correctly said.
                      9. kalibr
                        19 November 2015 20: 33 New
                        0
                        If "everything is said correctly," then a patriot! But I am against thoughtlessly repeated slogans and sticker labels, once this has been and sadly ended.
  • Babr
    Babr 19 November 2015 08: 24 New
    +7
    Quote: kalibr
    And where is he? Such a powerful one who led a revolution ... etc. etc.

    And look for answers to these questions.
    Separate.
    Stalin.
    Khrushchevsky.
    Brezhnevsky.
    Gorbachevsky.
    All this is the USSR. But the goals and objectives, in words, are the same, but in reality they are different.
    Compare and get an answer
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 08: 44 New
      -4
      What to share? "On this occasion, people say that in every important matter, the result is important!"
      1. Babr
        Babr 19 November 2015 10: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        What to share? "On this occasion, people say that in every important matter, the result is important!"

        And you do not bring everything together. See the result. But you will not see the reason.
        You will find the reason, understand why such a result. And do not step on the same rake a second time. request
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 16: 36 New
          -1
          Meanwhile, any “fortress”, good or bad, must defend itself skillfully. That is, the information flow existing in it, at least, should not contain contradictions!
          This is the conclusion. Do you disagree with him?
      2. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 10: 37 New
        +7
        Yeah, all those who fled to Soros did just that and analyze. Man, your liberal slops have already gotten people so much that it’s sickening to look at your vysers without disgust. Man, people began to wake up and understand that we still adhere to what was laid and created in the USSR, both in moral and moral quality, social and in industrial and technological. And yet, man, hew on your nose, the anti-Soviet is always Russophobe. No options.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 11: 15 New
          -6
          I answered you in detail about Soros and you have to be a cuff not to understand, but to “wake up” and “wake up” are two big differences. And what are you calling for the overthrow of the legal system in the country, yes? And I don’t need to poke. I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft. Poking is always an indicator of low culture! You think so to offend and humiliate me, then this is a waste of time.
          1. Mareman Vasilich
            Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 12: 34 New
            +4
            Yes, I do not need you to offend you yet. Do not think for me about the overthrow. It is you, with subtle hints, trying to arouse in people hatred of your past. If for you there are no other ways to convey to the authorities the problems of citizens other than maidan, then this is not surprising, the instruction manual of Soros did not change. The anti-Soviet is always Russophobe.
            1. kalibr
              19 November 2015 13: 35 New
              -4
              And oak is always oak! Sorry, but your obstinacy does not lead to anything. And Maidan is not for me. By the way, how old are you, if not secret? So no offense, I'm just wondering.
  • marinier
    marinier 19 November 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    The tragic stage of circumstances, with non-favorable
    international politics, activating agents of influence, in
    uze with liberal 4astiu elita.
    with the destruction of the USSR, a new state formation
    will be more successful. But don’t forget, thiazole is economically
    Four crawls, the war in Afghanistan. All of this together
    led to the collapse of the Great Country.
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 12: 27 New
      -3
      Yes Anthony! But only the crisis was systemic, right? It consisted of many accumulated and unsolved problems. In this case, information problems are considered from 1921 to 1940 year. And so - yes, again - a set of problems!
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 12: 36 New
        +3
        Bullshit. There were no information problems, but there is your lie. Causal relationships where? Where is the detailed analysis of the situation of that time? Stop lying to people and impose on them a howling Russophobic point of view.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 13: 39 New
          -3
          I have one point of view: I am against ignoramuses and stupid people, so that people know everything and can judge everything consciously. And what do you call Russophobia? Strange, I didn’t think that you write down all the Russians in the above categories.
  • The lead
    The lead 19 November 2015 11: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    Why repeat what everyone knows?
    This is all liberal demagogy. It was necessary to briefly outline the situation as a whole.
    Quote: kalibr
    And where is he?
    Are you asking us? Such as you have ruined him.
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 12: 28 New
      -4
      It's ridiculous! I taught the history of the CPSU, strengthened it as I could.
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 12: 37 New
        +5
        Here she was taught so that we grew up such Gaillard, Gref, Chumais, Yeltsin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and the like. This is thanks to people like you they appeared.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 12: 49 New
          -4
          It only means that the collapse of the USSR was a foregone conclusion from the very beginning, that's all!
          1. The lead
            The lead 19 November 2015 13: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            It only means that the collapse of the USSR was a foregone conclusion from the very beginning, that's all!
            This is a liberal point of view, which has no foundation.
      2. The lead
        The lead 19 November 2015 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        It's ridiculous! I taught the history of the CPSU, strengthened it as I could
        Judging by your one-sided critical attitude towards the USSR, they taught poorly.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 13: 16 New
          -2
          Quote: Lead
          Gaillard, Gref, Chumais, Yeltsin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze

          I did not teach them.
      3. MrK
        MrK 19 November 2015 19: 33 New
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        It's ridiculous! I taught the history of the CPSU

        Caliber, as a true teacher of the History of the CPSU, will not say about the initial conditions for the development of the USA and the USSR in the 1922 year.
        Stalin had to make colossal sacrifices solely because Russia was brought to such a miserable state by his predecessors - and the crowned persons, and dumb dignitaries, and the shrill, timid intelligentsia, such as the caliber. They destroyed everything that could be destroyed, and Stalin had to straighten everything out. The caliber will blame the Civil Bolsheviks, who needed it the least.
        15 million cars were produced in the USA. It's good. But the caliber will not say that during the same time period, up to 8 million Americans died of starvation in the same USA.
        Caliber will not say that Ford's book under Stalin was reprinted five times. And with the advent of Khrushchev and the teachers of the History of the CPSU, such as a caliber, not once.

        The caliber will not say that in the 1944 year the European territory of the USSR, where 70 million people of the USSR lived before the Patriotic War, turned out to be unsuitable for life. And the United States at that time fattened. And he will admire life in the USA at this time.

        Speaking about the analysis of historical processes, the caliber does not remember that from 1937 of the year Stalin wanted to remove the CPSU (b) from managing the national economy. Because the top of the party, if there is one party in the country, will rot in any case. Since all kinds of calibers are being thrown into the Party, they want to lead the whole country without answering for anything. And he achieved this at the 19 Congress of the CPSU. For which Stalin was killed.
        The caliber will not say that the main reason for the collapse of the USSR is the rotten party nomenclature. Which destroyed him.

        Russian philosopher V.V. Rozanov said that Russian literature killed the Russian monarchy. This is a hyperbole, but there is a grain of truth in it.
        By analogy, we can say that the Soviet system was killed by teachers of the History of the CPSU of universities, the Academy of Social Sciences under the Central Committee of the CPSU and the network of its party schools.
        THE CALIBER WILL NOT SAY THOSE OF ALMOST TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND SOCIAL MARXIS SOCIETY WHO WORKED IN THE USSR, MOST AT THE BEGINNING OF 1990 OF X YEARS WAS TRANSFERRED TO THE ANTI-SOVIET FORCES. LIKE AND CALIBER.
        He will repeat after tsipkami and Svanidzami that the Soviet system is a dead end path of development.
        The caliber will not say that the conscious vanguard of perestroika is the spiritual heirs of Trotskyism, liberals and Mensheviks.
        Based on materials from the book of Alexander Kurlandchik "Damned Soviet Power" ... on prose. RU
        Sincerely.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 19: 55 New
          -4
          Oh, here’s another “conspiracy theory” appeared. But you know there is something in it, if most Marxists have switched ... (and they knew the whole kitchen from the inside), then there is something in it!
          1. MrK
            MrK 19 November 2015 21: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            there is something in it


            Of course have - ordinary betrayal of the people for my own pocket.
            1. kalibr
              19 November 2015 21: 53 New
              -2
              That is, they paid everyone and bought everything? But then it turns out, a strange thing - why didn’t we all buy it, is there really a cult of money? Or "there" people are not being sold, but are being sold here, is it your way?
        2. kalibr
          19 November 2015 20: 38 New
          -2
          Quote: mrark
          The caliber will not say that the main reason for the collapse of the USSR is the rotten party nomenclature. Which destroyed him.

          Why I will not say - I will say. But she was not sent from Mars to us, but she left the people, so ... what are the parishioners, such is the pop, what is the pop, such is the parish!
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 19 November 2015 09: 25 New
    -13
    The cultural revolution was limited to 2-4 classes of education, many of our generals and politicians had such a wealth of knowledge.
    As for the standard of living, it was extremely low. After all, industrialization was carried out at the expense of the population and with a clear bias in the military sphere.
    1. Babr
      Babr 19 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      The cultural revolution was limited to 2-4 classes of education, many of our generals and politicians had such a wealth of knowledge.

      Do not talk nonsense. Put the whole country at school desks, and remain with the 2-4th education classes themselves? belay It’s not funny for yourself? laughing
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 19 November 2015 10: 56 New
    +9
    As liberoids do not try to belittle the greatness of the USSR, all they get is three "pugs on an elephant".
    They bite their fists and spray their saliva, but use the electricity generated by power plants built in the USSR, drive along roads laid in the USSR, live in apartments that were free for the USSR, pump oil and gas explored by Soviet geologists, and send them to support their curators nickel, aluminum, titanium, smelted in Soviet factories, all defenses are kept on the backlog of Soviet developments, and the main component of the great power, the nuclear shield, also came from the USSR.
    And these mongrels continue to spit in a well filled to the brim with our fathers and grandfathers.
    Calm down, with your tantrum you only bring the hour of reckoning closer.
    1. Babr
      Babr 19 November 2015 11: 03 New
      +3
      kalibr
      I thought that such "Mohicans" had already been translated. A year ago they were a dime a dozen. It turns out there is what
    2. kalibr
      19 November 2015 17: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: Stroporez
      Calm down, with your tantrum you only bring the hour of reckoning closer.

      So you need to shout even louder - this hour will come sooner! And you, advising to calm down, want to put it off? Ay-ah, how patriotic it is!
  • Gulo
    Gulo 19 November 2015 22: 37 New
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    Another article watering the USSR, the socialist state of the working people, with dirt.
    And to note that during this period, the USSR from an agrarian backward state turned into a world industrial power, built its industry, including a defense industrial shield, created its masterpieces of technology, defended the country and people in the future World War, conducted an educational and cultural revolution, weak in the former masses of their illiterate country?


    I did not notice that the author was pouring mud on the USSR, only a story about what the Pravda newspaper about the West wrote about. The impression was that the newspaper was edited by two editors. One about the life of workers, the other about science and achievements.
    But not a little has been written about our breakthrough in those years. There is no doubt, the heroic time was. Although any time is heroic.
  • kalibr
    19 November 2015 08: 05 New
    -6
    Is it really not clear that it does not matter who used it there or not used ?! It is important that an information flow of positive information about life was created "there", an "information field" which in turn created a positive impression. And a reason for comparison: "here they write to us, they’re starving for tama, and they won something - an eroplan-antamobile, and we have one party with their shorn women to ride around them!" And this was not necessary! That is, it was easier not to write about it at all!
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 19 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: kalibr
      And this was not necessary! That is, it was easier not to write about it at all!

      Yeah, in order to provoke "they hide" conversations, "the bloody regime is silent." Shpakovsky again brought you somewhere in the wrong place.
      1. kalibr
        19 November 2015 12: 29 New
        -1
        And so this provoked completely different conversations, but also ... bad!
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 19 November 2015 14: 03 New
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          And so this provoked completely different conversations, but also ... bad!

          And if the result is just as bad, why propose the wrong solution?
          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 14: 13 New
            -1
            Different levels of harm!
            1. IS-80
              IS-80 19 November 2015 14: 56 New
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              Different levels of harm!

              Is that even worse?
              1. kalibr
                19 November 2015 17: 19 New
                0
                Nothing can be worse than the statement on the match of the part cut into 4!
    2. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 10: 42 New
      +6
      They wrote as they should, they forgot to ask you. That is why you are a couch painter, and people of that era built one of the most powerful states in the history of mankind. The USSR was the peak of the development of the Russian people in its entire history; it was ahead of time itself by 200-300 years ahead.
      1. kalibr
        19 November 2015 11: 17 New
        -8
        Was and swam!
        1. Mareman Vasilich
          Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 12: 39 New
          +3
          With people like you, yes. You for Soros will not only surrender your homeland, but also sell your parents.
          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 12: 50 New
            -3
            Fi, what nonsense are you writing.
            1. Mareman Vasilich
              Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 13: 14 New
              -1
              http://pyhalov.livejournal.com/398881.html
        2. Babr
          Babr 19 November 2015 12: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          Was and swam!

          And you do not rejoice the snake,
          They will write me out soon.
          I will cut you off
          It’s completely complete.
          This song, a message from the madhouse in which you put the people. tongue
          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 16: 42 New
            -2
            Victor, are my materials on the history of military affairs aimed at making you dumber? In my opinion, more educated, smarter.
            1. Babr
              Babr 19 November 2015 18: 35 New
              +3
              Vyacheslav. Do not get me wrong. The time has gone when the period of the USSR could be trashed at every corner.
              The law of time worked, and people looking around realized that there was no better time, with all its shortcomings. Accept it.
              1. kalibr
                19 November 2015 19: 58 New
                -1
                With all the flaws, this is the same rake. And if this was the best time, then what did people not hold on to? What we do not store, losing weeping?
              2. kalibr
                19 November 2015 20: 47 New
                -1
                Victor, one more thing. See: there is a "spring law" or a "pendulum law" if you want. If it is pulled back strongly in one direction, then it will go far to the other. And the spring, too ... First, propaganda in every way exaggerated the achievements of the USSR, and what came of it? Unbelief, pessimism, worship of the West! The pendulum swung in the other direction! But there, too ... there wasn’t enough mind, deliberation, and people were tired that everything was bad in the past - you noticed it right! The pendulum went to another - deceived expectations, the gap between the new rich and the new poor, right? So I don’t know if you see this, but I’m just not scolding the past, but trying to find specific flaws in it. So that the pendulum does not swing so hard and with such devastating consequences.
        3. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 19 November 2015 12: 56 New
          +8
          kalibr
          Your anti-Sovietism, for you, yourself not noticed, will turn into Russophobia.
          In principle, it has already passed, for a self-respecting person who knows the History of the Russian state understands the destruction of the USSR, is an act of betrayal - this is the first, rotten top, in exchange for property and inheritance, the second is a geo-poetic catastrophe, with far-reaching consequences, which undoubtedly I’m glad your sponsor, Soros, the third, is the diminution of the territory of Historical Russia itself with the simultaneous attempt to reduce the efforts of dozens of generations to build Russia to zero in the form of attempts to finalize it.

          So how are you different from Russophobes? Liberals?
          Of those that are open to feed at the State Department, such as bulk and buzzer?
          Liberalism is a disgusting, misanthropic, vile teaching.
          He is disgusting in theory and in practice.
          If we knew what was behind the beautiful foreign word “liberalism”, we would have recoiled, would have been horrified, would have rushed to run away from it as quickly as possible and as far as possible. It's time to call a spade a spade, we've been confused for too long.
          If you do not agree with this, then I will send you to look for the works of a certain Mill, the guru of liberalism, he will tell you the difference between Liberty and Frieid, I write specifically in Russian transcription, not wanting to dirty the language with the words your sponsor Soros is talking.
          And you, like you, in your rejection of the Soviet period in the history of Russia, are just in the camp of those who lied as they breathed in 90, contributing to the victory of the West over Russia.

          Get a review of your "work" and calm down already, in writing the opus.
          Better write about Indian and other weapons of the middle and ancient centuries, this is for you, it turns out better.
          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 13: 47 New
            -5
            So, after all, the book of the KNIGHTS OF THE EAST was written on a grant from Soros, so why mention Vlad. Or is it nice for you to repeat Mareman? Do you not understand that it’s good to get money even from the enemy, but for a good cause? I already wrote that you forbid using a German assault rifle because our soldiers were killed? So, "my sponsor" paid for just the research that you now like and whose fruits you use. This was the first and last time, and then the activities of the fund in Russia ceased. And from the fact that “we have been confused for too long” I am now giving information based solely on sources, and we have the right to draw conclusions - conclusions. When you reread all the numbers True from 21 to 40 a year and on to 53 and on to 91 wow ... You too will come to some conclusions ...
        4. kalibr
          19 November 2015 16: 20 New
          -3
          Six cons! Well, then ... Now we all wake up tomorrow, and the USSR - here he is back!
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 19 November 2015 07: 16 New
    +3
    I do not quite understand what the authors wanted to say with this article. The style of Soviet propaganda has not changed for years, in the newspapers, and then in the box: political observers showed life in the bourgeoisie in a black light, and technical reviews betrayed the achievements of the same bourgeois science.
    Now, by the way, are our media not attacking the same rake?
    And to compare a country that has crawled out of ruin and war with swollen from military orders and robbed half the world of the USA is not very correct, with common sense. We lived shitty, they are much better, and now it’s the same, the standard of living is still incomparable with most citizens.
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 07: 53 New
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      Now, by the way, are our media not attacking the same rake?
      And to compare a country that has crawled out of ruin and war with swollen from military orders and robbed half the world of the USA is not very correct, with common sense. We lived shitty, they are much better, and now it’s the same, the standard of living is still incomparable with most citizens.

      You see - you noticed it. And the authors noticed it! And readers of Truth and other newspapers also noticed. That on the one hand everyone is starving "there", but on the other - about this in the article. And so it was not necessary to write!
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 19 November 2015 09: 00 New
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        And so it was not necessary to write!

        This is not for us, it is in the propaganda department of the Central Committee.
    2. tasha
      tasha 19 November 2015 08: 07 New
      +2
      I support your perplexity about the meaning of the article.
      In his October-pioneer childhood, he read various technical magazines with great interest, and the same magazine “Behind the Wheel” constantly wrote about various beautiful cars. But somehow, I did not have a seditious thought about the advantages of the capitalist system. I don’t understand why, it was a long time ago. Compensated by a huge and continuous stream of propaganda about the achievements of socialism, however. Or there was simply nothing to compare, here the pencils were frank Mr., especially in comparison with "KOH-I-NOOR". That, probably, is why the Soviet people, who had encountered live with hostile equipment, were demolished by a tower. I remember how in the 80 years they proved to the physics teacher (!) That the bourgeoisie have televisions with an IR remote control. He did not believe us ...

      It is possible that someone reading tiny notes on the achievements of Western science and technology exclaimed with enormous gloating, “And we even don't have dice for three-eighths!”, So it’s on his conscience.
      1. kalibr
        19 November 2015 08: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: tasha
        That, probably, is why the Soviet people, who had encountered live with hostile equipment, were demolished by a tower. I remember how in the 80 years they proved to the physics teacher (!) That the bourgeoisie have televisions with an IR remote control. He did not believe us ...

        You see ...
        Quote: tasha
        It is possible that someone reading tiny notes on the achievements of Western science and technology exclaimed with enormous gloating, “And we even don't have dice for three-eighths!”, So it’s on his conscience.

        Do you know how many cases there were in courts about such "chatter"
        This will also be material ...
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          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 12: 31 New
            +1
            Yes, of course, things will be. Do you like with or without archive numbers? But you won’t check the numbers anyway?
            1. Mareman Vasilich
              Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 14: 14 New
              -1
              But what if? Your business is to gain courage, so as not to replace concepts and not lie.
              1. kalibr
                19 November 2015 16: 48 New
                -1
                What suddenly? Everything that is written in the article is true. And you declare a lie! In my conclusions I write that the country needs to protect itself, including in the information field, but you do not like it. Do not believe me, go to the library, request the Truth for the indicated years and read carefully. But you won’t ... I asked you about age, so you’re even afraid to answer.
          2. kalibr
            19 November 2015 14: 16 New
            -1
            Do you know why you are rude? This is from weakness! You see that all of your breaks, well, it's a shame. Humanly, this is understandable.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 19 November 2015 08: 59 New
        +6
        Quote: tasha
        here the pencils were frank Mr., especially compared to the "KOH-I-NOOR"

        Well, with pencils is another story. If you used the "Designer" and the like, then you can recall that they were very good. And also "Olympics-80".
        By the way, I accidentally dug a pack of “simple” Pencils in my designer’s pocket - it’s just a bomb, they still write very well, the stylus doesn’t crumble, it is perfect.
        1. tasha
          tasha 20 November 2015 15: 10 New
          0
          I remember TKF pencils, including the Designer. That "Olympics-80" did not come across. But Tomsk - they fell into two halves.
          So you take care of the pencils you found. Out of curiosity, I looked - 100r thing on one of the sites!
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      1. vladkavkaz
        vladkavkaz 19 November 2015 10: 11 New
        +2
        Aleksander
        Ay yai ... what a blatant lie and complete ignorance of History ..
        Did Germany pay the indemnity? Yes, but did it somehow prevent the United States of America from swelling billions there, restoring Germany’s war potential?
        Czechoslovakia? From those to those, and where may I ask you, a considerable piece of gold reserves has been seized, captured by Czech legionaries and exported from Russia?
        Was Austria in ruin? Is it interesting ... Was there the same Civil? Was there a war? Was the front right across Austria and everything and everything was smashed to pieces?
        The headline of the newspaper Pravda, cited in this article, is relevant now, the authors, not understanding this, as a non-commissioned officer widow, have carved themselves.
    4. Aleksander
      Aleksander 19 November 2015 09: 53 New
      -3
      Quote: inkass_98
      It is not very correct to compare a country that has crawled out of devastation and war with a country swollen from military orders and robbed half the world of the USA, with common sense


      Why wasn’t it necessary? With Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, which also got out of the war and devastation, and even defeated and indemnities, it was necessary. Indeed, it was supposedly in the name of a better life that the BOP Communists arranged for a civil war and the destruction of everything and everything. So it was necessary to show for comparison, what TAM achieved and what HERE achieved.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 19 November 2015 07: 43 New
    +5
    In the months before the start of World War II, Soviet newspapers published laudatory articles on the significant successes of the German army in rearmament... But they could not write differently .. As the poet said there: To equate a pen with a bayonet, the media were an instrument of social and political struggle .. Careless statements in the press could provoke a conflict, but the USSR was not profitable at a certain stage .. therefore, there were such articles .. On the other hand, in the pre-war period 1939-1941, many military films were shot where the alleged enemy Germany was shown .., this is not directly mentioned in the films, but the military uniform of the enemy is stylized as German ... An interesting re-dubbing of the film "Tractors" was released in 1939, after the signing of the non-aggression pact from Japan, from a song about tankers the words samurai were replaced by an enemy pack, but as the war began in 1941, the song sounded in the original version .. And what characteristically, the episode with the German helmet was not deleted from the film .. If they were "friends" they cut it out ..
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 07: 57 New
      -5
      With a helmet, this is exactly the case when "overlooked." But how many have not overlooked? So in short: the press lacked flexibility, the ability to reflect on the consequences. And you write correctly - "could provoke a conflict." Yes! But they provoked "thoughts" - "we are licking the Germans ..." And what is more dangerous in the end? And the conclusion of people through information must be managed flexibly and smartly. And they did not know how. And that was bad!
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 11: 20 New
        +2
        But now they know how, with the help of Soros, probably. So they know that people like you, ready for the grand Soros Motherland to sell a dime a dozen. Craftsmen were found. Stop talking nonsense, mislead people. Enough of nonsense. Where are the cause-effect relationships, where is the extrapolation method? Your inflamed hypotheses are in pure form, like the vysers of Svanidze, Radzinsky, Rezun, Mlechin and the like degenerates.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 16: 53 New
          0
          That is, I did not read Pravda, but do you have all the lies? Interesting logic!
          1. Mareman Vasilich
            Mareman Vasilich 23 November 2015 13: 21 New
            -1
            [hide] [/ hide] Look at the book and see the fig, that's your credo. State media should write in the interests of their state, and not of someone else's. You are replacing concepts. If you think that state media should work for the interests of a foreign state, then you are an enemy.
          2. Mareman Vasilich
            Mareman Vasilich 30 November 2015 14: 05 New
            -1
            http://ria.ru/society/20151130/1332527547.html
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 November 2015 09: 11 New
    +1
    A vivid example of the uncoordinated work of the propaganda machine. One small element, undermines the entire engine of ideological lava.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 19 November 2015 09: 25 New
    +3
    Part two is a worthy continuation of part one.
    Now the authors are trying to contrast publications on technical topics with publications on social topics, to convict the Soviet press of lies. "And here we will see exactly the obvious contradictions in informing Soviet citizens from the side of the" most truthful press "in the world." Of course, if you connect nylon stockings with the standard of living. And with the Great Depression, default in France and England, the situation in defeated Germany ... authors who are "professionally" involved in history have not tried to connect nylon stockings?
    The headline at the beginning of the article in the newspaper Pravda on 27.08.1936/XNUMX/XNUMX "Rotten liberal accomplices of enemies" is strong and modern. And so many years have passed. Reflects the essence of the article.
  • kit_bellew
    kit_bellew 19 November 2015 09: 37 New
    +5
    Saying that "the flow of information should not be contradictory," the authors, of course, are right. But this is how it turns out: they read newspaper magazines of those times, they read, they read ... Oops! Contradiction to contradiction! Noticed! Sensation! And let’s think, we’ll write a whole dissertation about this sensation! And for some reason no questions about where these contradictions could come from. It’s as though we are given the opportunity to draw conclusions, but between the lines it’s clear: in the propaganda department there were suckers and mediocrity, incompetent people. Meanwhile, now for few people the secret of the internal party struggle at the top of the USSR, the struggle between the statesmen and the "fiery revolutionaries." And these last, increasingly losing some official influence on the leadership of the party and the country, did not shun any villainy in relation to their own people. Yes, and to your own?
    It is much more interesting, in my opinion, to raise and bring to light the names of the Central Committee staff who were in charge of the then media, the names of the chief editors of the central newspapers, who they nominated, who approved their posts ... The picture will then be much clearer. Only, it seems to me, the interest of the authors of the article lies in a different plane.
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 19 November 2015 10: 15 New
      +2
      kit_bellew
      The authors' interest, as always, on the same plane of accusation of the USSR, for all conceivable and not conceivable sins and faults. The title to the article, a screen from Truth, accurately indicates their essence and activity ...
      1. kalibr
        19 November 2015 14: 17 New
        -4
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Saying that "the flow of information should not be contradictory," the authors, of course, are right.

        Smart people understand this!
        And stupid put a minus!
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 19 November 2015 20: 12 New
          +1
          kalibr
          Strange .. Do you consider yourself a priori smart, but all opponents are fools ?? Well, it doesn’t happen, for now you are in a clear minus, despite even the attempts of others to support you.
          So there’s nothing to blame for the mirror, since .... the curve.
          1. kalibr
            19 November 2015 20: 52 New
            +1
            Do you also think that in a country in a position of a besieged fortress, the flow of information may contain a lot of contradictions? And cons - yes God bless them. Deep meaning is not immediately recognized. Sometimes, from the moment that one person comprehends the truth and before it becomes the property of all, a person’s life is not enough. (Alas, I didn’t say this, but Kutuzov)
    2. kalibr
      19 November 2015 12: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: kit_bellew
      It is much more interesting, in my opinion, to raise and bring to light the names of the Central Committee staff who were in charge of the then media, the names of the chief editors of the central newspapers, who they nominated, who approved their posts ... The picture will then be much clearer. Only, it seems to me, the interest of the authors of the article lies in a different plane.

      Oh sure! But where to get the money for this study. This is all in the archives of Moscow. And the academic trip amount (per diem) is 100 p.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 19 November 2015 10: 08 New
    -6
    The content of Soviet newspapers can be described in one word: "FALSE!"

    Only propagandists for political information read Disgust with disgust, Izvestia read for the last column, Foreign Mosaic, and occasionally reviews of foreign countries. They were forced to sign forcibly, but the popular "Youth Technique", "Around the World" - only by limit.
    An interesting newspaper was Literary Russia and sometimes the Red Star .....
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Aleksander
      The content of Soviet newspapers can be described in one word: "FALSE!"

      Please indicate the time when listing these publications. I believe that you mean "the time of the great singer Pugacheva, then some Gorbachev lived." The attitude of the people towards him is known. Yes, nobody read the first page. Let me ask you, where are the journalists who wrote the editorials? Who is a US citizen, who is an Israeli citizen, who is on the "Echo", who is a "historian" in academic science .... In general, the "communists." For a career. Hence the result.
      There were a lot of interesting publications, although I remember how, at the time of subscription, they were hobbling together with Literature some kind of "Agitator" in the Chukchi language.
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 19 November 2015 11: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: marinier
    Moreover, do not forget, thiazole economically
    Four crawls, the war in Afghanistan.

    There was no difficult economic situation; everything was decided. The entry of Soviet troops was also thought out and justified. No drug trafficking and terrorism on the southern borders of the country.
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 12: 43 New
      -3
      Have you already forgotten about the Food Program and coupons? About the lines, about the "get", about the reprisals of A. Raikin "got through the warehouse, merchandiser"? Wasn’t it?
      1. Babr
        Babr 19 November 2015 15: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        Have you already forgotten about the Food Program and coupons? About the lines, about the "get", about the reprisals of A. Raikin "got through the warehouse, merchandiser"? Wasn’t it?

        Sorry. But it’s not interesting to argue with you. (Note capitalized)
        I enjoyed reading your articles on weapons. And here you are like a boy torn from the world.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 19 November 2015 15: 55 New
          +2
          I agree .. I’ll just list a bit - free education and accessible to everyone, including higher education, healthcare, free kindergartens, permits in peony. Camps and health centers, apartments, etc. etc. ... it makes no sense to argue
        2. kalibr
          19 November 2015 16: 24 New
          0
          That is, there were no coupons and a “program” too?
          1. Babr
            Babr 19 November 2015 17: 12 New
            -1
            There were coupons. And programs, too. I can’t retell this article in my own words, unfortunately I’m a techie for life. Read it. As a journalist you have to evaluate it. Http://skalozub52.livejournal.com/761687.html
            1. kalibr
              19 November 2015 19: 04 New
              +1
              Read it! Good stuff. So what? Does this somehow contradict our article here? In my opinion complements!
              1. Babr
                Babr 20 November 2015 05: 45 New
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                Read it! Good stuff. So what? Does this somehow contradict our article here? In my opinion complements!

                Well, probably we do not have a single school of communication. Therefore, we do not understand each other hi
        3. kalibr
          19 November 2015 16: 30 New
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          You see Victor, articles about weapons are consistent, purely informational. And here many personal moments are touched. People are offended that the new reality was not what they thought. And the memory of the past has the peculiarity of keeping good and forgetting bad. Well, the fact that what is written here is the result of a lot of serious work. And to evaluate it seriously will not be here. Moreover, whether you like it or not does not matter. And I, too, by and large do not argue with anyone here. You, for example, are not a candidate of historical sciences, or a doctor of historical sciences, and not a member of the Higher Attestation Commission?
          1. Babr
            Babr 19 November 2015 17: 31 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            You see, Victor, articles about weapons are consistent, purely informational.

            You see, Vyacheslav. Articles about weapons are consistent. I agree with that. And the consonants thanked you for the informative articles. But there was a controversy surrounding this or that era, and dissenters appeared here.
            Quote: kalibr
            And to evaluate it seriously will not be here. Moreover, whether you like it or not does not matter. And I, too, by and large do not argue with anyone here.

            Why did you post this article here, if we are nobody, and there is no way to call us?
            1. kalibr
              19 November 2015 18: 45 New
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              Then, that there is information that citizens of the country should know, I don’t think that you are “nobody”, just how to argue with people if I read it and you don’t, right? No offense! And they will seriously evaluate the work at the Higher Attestation Commission, but this does not mean that it cannot be read before. Well, I will recommend you the magazine Questions of History, Homeland, History in Details ... Will you go and read them right there? Read here. This will help someone, not someone. All people are people. It is precisely in this that my respect is manifested. I would not respect, did not spread!
              1. Babr
                Babr 19 November 2015 19: 03 New
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                Vyacheslav, do you see what happened on the branch? You were lifted up with bayonets.
                I even like your dedication in upholding your position.
                But only this. I think you are wrong. hi
                1. kalibr
                  19 November 2015 20: 06 New
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                  I already wrote to you, Victor, that this does not bother me. Whose bayonets are they? And how is the debate? I ask and they don’t answer specific questions, but they’re right there! They don’t have information, but "you are wrong." People don’t know how the door opens in the archive, they give links to live magazines, which themselves immediately retype my materials, but are judged with the aplomb of the authors of dozens of scientific works. And they read inattentively. So I’ll survive, somehow. And my position is the only correct one: people should know both the good and the bad and have a judgment about everything based on facts, including those obtained independently. You read the very end of the comments ... And for what answers put cons ... It's just ridiculous!
    2. tasha
      tasha 19 November 2015 16: 46 New
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      You are an eccentric, Mareman Vasilich. After all, your aggressive fanaticism, a blind denial of the problems and shortcomings that actually existed in the USSR, you only discredit the good that was in the USSR. Do not rush to extremes.
      1. kalibr
        19 November 2015 17: 42 New
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        tasha
        It’s a pity that your name is not indicated. In PR there is a method of "bringing to the point of absurdity." As a rule, for this (if it's in the hall) they hire a special person, or two, and if on the Web, they create a "virtual image" and on his behalf carry the nonsense that is necessary for those who conduct a certain information policy. And others listen and shake on a mustache. As a result, you understand who wins. This is one of the methods of working with Central Asia (target audience). They are taught this in the specialty of PR and Advertising. Moreover, I always say to students that they themselves need to create such a virtual double only as a last resort, because ... correctly, in life there will always be one like that. The fact that you understand this very well characterizes you!
  • V.ic
    V.ic 19 November 2015 11: 20 New
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    This article does not fit with mathematics.
    FV-200 "Condor". The aircraft is an all-metal construction and is adapted for flying at high speeds over long distances. It is equipped with four motors, but if necessary, can fly on two motors. The crew of the aircraft consists of two pilots, a radio telegraph operator and a navigator. In addition to the team, the aircraft can carry 26 passengers. The average speed of the aircraft is 345 km per hour. Maximum - 420 km. Fuel consumption - 9 liters per hour. With two engines, the aircraft can reach a speed of 200 km per hour at an altitude of 1.000 meters. The radius of the aircraft is 3 thousand kilometers, the ceiling is 4.000 meters. ”
    We divide 2 x 3000 = 6000 km by 345 km / h, we get 17,4 hours, then we multiply by 9 l / h and we get a fuel tank capacity of just over 156 liters. For interest, you can divide this displacement into 4 (by the number of engines) and get less than 40 liters per 6000 km. Those. fuel consumption is less than 0,7 liters per hundred per ONE engine. Wow! Where will we laugh? From what place? lol
    Awesome fuel consumption of 9 liters per hour!
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 12: 41 New
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      This word for word is rewritten from Truth. Do you need a link to the article, year, number, page? Is it so important for you? Notify. I will send you in a personal!
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 19 November 2015 13: 26 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        This word for word is rewritten from Truth.

        All the worse for her / for "Truth." The editor on the soap!
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 13: 50 New
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          Victor! You know, and I AM SAME !!! However, what is the result?
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 22 November 2015 12: 27 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            However which result?

            From my point of view in the complete absence thereof.
  • report4
    report4 19 November 2015 13: 33 New
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    Strange article. And now the West is producing single-engine jet aircraft. So what? Many of the readers can afford it? That stockings in those years, also a luxury item to the prosperity of a wide range of people had nothing to do. A very cool "achievement" of capitalism.
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 14: 20 New
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      Stockings are a luxury item? You tell women this ...
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 19 November 2015 13: 49 New
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    Quote: report4
    Here are stockings in those years, also a luxury item

    I remember watching a movie, American, how to tow a car using a stocking :-)
  • report4
    report4 19 November 2015 17: 09 New
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    Quote: kalibr
    nylon

    Are you the author of this vyser?
    Teach materiel.
    1. kalibr
      19 November 2015 17: 45 New
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      "For example, from the 1940 publication of the year on the practical application of such a" miracle "of modern science as Nylon Synthetic Fiber, one could see the significant difference in living standards between us and the USA. There" stockings and other knitwear went on sale from the new nylon fiber, whose starting material is coal, air, and water. ”
      And what's wrong, what's wrong?
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 19 November 2015 19: 58 New
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        And what's wrong, what's wrong ?,
        caliber, you still didn’t understand the difference in the state of the economy of the USSR and the USA at that time. The country didn’t have stockings before, everyone knew that there would be a war. It was necessary to build an army. If there had been no groundwork done before the war, there was NO VICTORY.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 20: 58 New
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          No, Vladimir, I understand everything very well. This you read inattentively. I believe that just before the war, it was not necessary to give information capable of somehow provoking a positive attitude towards a potential adversary. Even about stockings. They were in short supply; women darned them many times. And then some nylon. Why is this? Well, they did not know, and thank God. Did your own - would have written!
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          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 20 November 2015 04: 03 New
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            Quote: kalibr
            I believe that just before the war, it was not necessary to give information capable of somehow causing a positive respect to a potential adversary

            Is it possible to give positive information in relation to a potential ally (did the USA and France turn out to be allies)? And how can they, allies, be precisely defined (England could have been on the side of Germany)? Or, just in case, do not give any information about anyone at all? And do not write about Tupolev’s plane (glorification of the enemy of the people) and about Bartini’s plane? And then what to write about? Newspaper Means INFORMATION, by the way. And it was necessary to write about everything — about nylon, and penicillin, and about airplanes and Fords — these are achievements human civilization and thoughts, and not the achievements of a potential adversary, you need to know this, it’s interesting, you need to strive for this. And the limitations of information, its distortion, causes suspicion and total disbelief already in the real truth (which was the case with the Soviet press (.
            From the opposition far-fetched- true information (its grains) drowned in a sea of ​​agitation and propaganda of the front pages and did not move anyone into seditious thoughts.
      2. tasha
        tasha 19 November 2015 20: 57 New
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        But how could a simple Soviet citizen, having read this note, feel the difference in living standards? Well nylon and nylon. But something like this is not written in the note "stockings from this material are much better than all knitwear known before, they are light, durable, beautiful and blah blah blah ...".
        That's when such stockings began to come to us and became the subject of desires of many women, then yes, the problems began ...

        There is a film "United Security Zone" about events on the border between South and North Korea. The soldiers of one post began to meet with the soldiers of the other side. In one of the episodes, the southerner called the northerner by not making the Chokopai cake in the North. To which the northerner replied something like "Yes, we are poor, but someday we and cakes will learn how to make. In the meantime, I will eat yours." Very clear illustration.
        1. kalibr
          19 November 2015 22: 00 New
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          Stockings were given to you. There are many other examples in the article, but to someone, believe me, this was enough! In the movie it came across such a conscious and intelligent northerner. You want to say that in the USSR everyone was like that? And what if there was one that answered, yes - we eat one rice. This could not be in principle?
          “That's when such stockings began to reach us and became the subject of desires of many women, then yes, the problems began ...” - and this is also true.
          1. tasha
            tasha 20 November 2015 08: 48 New
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            "Stockings were given to you" - chur, me, chur ...
            I do not want to say that in the USSR there were all conscious ones. But among the general flow of information, notes on technological advances in other states could not do any harm. In the same way as articles about sports achievements. All this was perceived as a guide to action, aroused the desire to achieve the same or better results. Like B. Polevoy - “So he didn’t have one leg ... But you are a Soviet man!”
            And as always there were reinsurers who saw the swastika in the pattern, and through the magnifying glass - the German helmet. And just like that, there were passive opponents of the Soviet regime, well described in the story about flea powder powder. Do you remember? Well, or from a close one - a television viewer from Taganrog Sergey Belyakov. In general, a pig will find dirt everywhere. Let's think about people well ...

            It seems to me that in the last paragraph you make the wrong conclusion about the quality of the Soviet press of the 30-40 period.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 20 November 2015 14: 27 New
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    By the end of the 1st part, I wrote my thoughts about our PR in general, also thanked Vyacheslav for his letter. Well, I don’t get this topic about newspapers, at least kill me. I read several times. Vyacheslav’s words about “insidious” methods are interesting to me, this is science, from which I am far away. I wanted to write a letter to Vyacheslav, but I will tell everyone now.
    On the eve of November 4, I studied the topic in different ways and decided that this holiday should be celebrated vigorously if the Poles celebrate the “miracle on the wall.” I also saw subtext about foreign agents. On November 7, I should celebrate and never doubted it. November 10 there were conversations on the topic of the holidays in which I participated, then I wrote a poem, read it on the phone in the morning to my friends, and after their approval, I sent it on 11.11 to that article. Then I look and see that I wrote about the time that I did not find, but I heard and read, I saw the TV. I didn’t write at all that I had to celebrate the victory over the Poles. ??. And this is my 2nd case, how I registered for VO. Here is the influence of the press. Is it the press, though the Internet.
    And in PM I have a very small print --- hard.
    Regards to all !!!
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 20 November 2015 18: 29 New
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    I want to add that before November 4, I wanted to write optimistic poems about Minin and Pozharsky. It didn’t work at all. And then somehow, when I didn’t expect it. Here.