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OSCE SMM confirms information about the next activation of Ukrainian security officials in the Donbass

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Representatives of the special monitoring mission of the OSCE, working in the Donbass, confirm the statements of the LPR authorities that in several directions there is an active movement of Ukrainian military equipment towards the contact line. The movements of the columns of armored vehicles of the Ukrainian security forces in the area of ​​the Olkhovoe settlement are noted. In addition, the movement of equipment towards the northern districts of Luhansk region, which are under the control of Kiev, was noted.


Against this background, representatives of the OSCE SMM record the presence of the previously designated LC equipment at special sites located far from the contact line specified in the relevant agreements. In the LPR, they noted that Lugansk authorities and military personnel had fulfilled all their obligations on the withdrawal of equipment. From the message Lugansk Information Centerwho publishes the statement of the representative of the special coordination center:

We state the fulfillment by the Luhansk People's Republic of all the obligations undertaken in the framework of the supplement to the set of measures for the implementation of the Minsk agreements of February 12 from 2015.


Further, it is reported that verification according to the schedule of allotment is carried out according to the plan, and no violations are recorded.

RIA News publishes information that the special mission of the OSCE also notes the absence of violations on the part of the DPR, the equipment of which is set aside from the contact line.

On the eve it became known that the American authorities decided once again to raise the issue of providing Ukraine with military assistance in the form of lethal weapons. In addition, the Ukrainian security forces again shelled several districts of the DPR, the school became one of the targets.

OSCE SMM confirms information about the next activation of Ukrainian security officials in the Donbass


As noted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, apparently, someone really does not want a full-fledged peace to be established in the Donbas.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 17 November 2015 06: 54 New
    31
    As noted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, apparently, someone really does not want a full-fledged peace to be established in the Donbas.


    Negotiate Comrade PUTIN ... this is someone the US State Department and his exceptional master.
    American generals are not shy about appointing us as our main enemies ... why, then, are we ashamed to be silent.
    1. Alez
      Alez 17 November 2015 07: 28 New
      20
      But the aggressor gives installments of payment of 3 billion debt to Ruin, where the logic is comrades. Really it was impossible to link the restructuring with a prerequisite for the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops and an unconditional ceasefire. I can’t understand some things. No matter how much ruin you do, you still look at EEC and dance to the tune of Uncle Sam.
      1. solovey
        solovey 17 November 2015 08: 33 New
        +6
        Russia has proposed to pay by installments on Ukraine’s debt for 2016-2018 at $ 1 billion a year Guaranteed by USA, EU or a reputable lender, said President Vladimir Putin, who, on the eve of the G20 summit in Turkey, held talks with IMF head Christine Lagarde.
        The most important thing is the guarantee of the EU or the US, in fact, transferring debts to them !!!!
        1. Hon
          Hon 17 November 2015 09: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: solovey
          The most important thing is the guarantee of the EU or the USA, in fact, transferring debts to them !!!!

          What about guarantees not NATO enlargement? and they guarantee that missile defense in Europe is not against Russia. they like to give guarantees. But what about the old guarantees for this debt? forgot about them?
        2. provincial
          provincial 17 November 2015 09: 45 New
          +2
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/814/gwau649.jpg
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        4. WKS
          WKS 17 November 2015 09: 57 New
          0
          Quote: solovey
          The most important thing is the guarantee of the EU or the US, in fact, transferring debts to them !!!!

          That is the point. This camarilla will not give such guarantees, but they must be given before December. And if they do not exist, then the default of Ukraine is inevitable.
          1. Hon
            Hon 17 November 2015 10: 16 New
            0
            Quote: wks
            That is the point. This camarilla will not give such guarantees, but they must be given before December. And if they do not exist, then the default of Ukraine is inevitable.

            and if he gives?
        5. KVS
          KVS 17 November 2015 10: 18 New
          +1
          and what's the point?
          what do you think these guarantors will pay the debts of the outskirts (ruins) will introduce another sanction under a far-fetched pretext and say that these guarantees go for other purposes ...
          But nothing that ISIS militants from Syria are being transferred to the outskirts?
          and who then will need these guarantees of Fashington and geyropa?
      2. WKS
        WKS 17 November 2015 09: 52 New
        0
        Here is what a blatant lie is published today by the leading Ukrainian news agency:
        "Новости: Политика

        Tuesday, November 17, 2015, 08:30 • Anastasia Svetlevskaya Print version
        Former Ukrainian military, who after the occupation remained in the Crimea, began to be sent to Syria

        KIEV. November 17th. UNN. Former Ukrainian military, who after the occupation of Crimea by Russia remained on the peninsula, sent to Syria. This UNN became known from its own sources.
        According to the interlocutor, the dispatch of the military, who accepted Russian citizenship, to the Middle East is becoming increasingly widespread. The military is forced to accept or resign from service.
        We will remind, earlier it was reported that in the personal affairs of the military, who switched to the side of Russia, the occupation authorities entered a line about the tendency to treason.
        As reported by UNN, the Russian aerospace forces have been attacking in Syria since the end of September 2015. If you believe the reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, during this time they conducted 137 sorties at 448 sites in the provinces of Aleppo, Damascus, Idlib, Latakia, Raqqa, Hama and Homs. The main objective of the operation is the destruction of the ISIS terrorist group.
        Russian air forces are attacking from a military base located near the city of Latakia in Syria. For the protection of the base involved the forces of the Marine Corps of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation.
        Источник: УНН"
        I was especially touched by the number of sorties of Russian aircraft !!!
    2. cniza
      cniza 17 November 2015 07: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      As noted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, apparently, someone really does not want a full-fledged peace to be established in the Donbas.


      Negotiate Comrade PUTIN ... this is someone the US State Department and his exceptional master.
      American generals are not shy about appointing us as our main enemies ... why, then, are we ashamed to be silent.




      He is not allowed, although he almost speaks openly, but that’s why we are not throwing in information ... well, a leak ... who finances, how he finances etc.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 17 November 2015 07: 38 New
        0
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: The same Lech
        As noted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, apparently, someone really does not want a full-fledged peace to be established in the Donbas.


        Negotiate Comrade PUTIN ... this is someone the US State Department and his exceptional master.
        American generals are not shy about appointing us as our main enemies ... why, then, are we ashamed to be silent.




        He is not allowed, although he almost speaks openly, but that’s why we are not throwing in information ... well, a leak ... who finances, how he finances etc.

        И что? Можно подумать что никто не знает что сауды финансируют ИГИЛ, а турки у них нефть в открытую покупают.Хоть одно "дерьмократическое"издание запада выступило с осуждением? А Вы вбросы, вбросы.
        1. DenZ
          DenZ 17 November 2015 09: 51 New
          +1
          И что? Можно подумать что никто не знает что сауды финансируют ИГИЛ, а турки у них нефть в открытую покупают.Хоть одно "дерьмократическое"издание запада выступило с осуждением? А Вы вбросы, вбросы.

          In vain you are, these stuffing is quite an adequate answer. And now the situation in the information space looks like we turned our cheeks. In general, this is also a war. Which we do not conduct thoroughly enough. And therefore, inevitably, we are losing. Stuffing creates a certain information field in the information which users believe drop by drop, a negative about our country flows into their heads through a stream. And from us there is no answer (adequate at least). Apparently so conceived by our Foreign Ministry. I hope that he knows better.
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 17 November 2015 12: 03 New
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            [quote = DenZ] Stuffing creates a certain information field in the information which users believe drop by drop, a stream about our country flows into their heads by stream. / quote]
            for whom is the field? For readers of Charlie (circulation of 7 million)?
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    4. Bobxnumx
      Bobxnumx 17 November 2015 07: 36 New
      +3
      Видимо у Порошенко м Яйценюком деньги кончились,пилить нечего, надо очередную свару заварить и под это денег покляньчть, а то в "борьбе с терроризмом" про Украину забыли.
      1. Lenin
        Lenin 17 November 2015 08: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Bob0859
        apparently Poroshenko m Yaytsenyuk money ran out, there is nothing to cut,

        Right comrade. The economy was destroyed by order of the West, but I want to eat, now they will only earn it this way ...
  2. avvg
    avvg 17 November 2015 06: 54 New
    +6
    На мой взгляд Кукловоды Поросенку дали команду"Фас", на Донбассе войны не избежать.
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 November 2015 07: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: avvg
      Кукловоды Поросенку дали команду"Фас". Донбассу войну не избежать.

      They gave the team exactly, but for what purpose? The option is also possible as a distracting maneuver, or it is just possible to keep the region’s inhabitants in maximum tension so that others are not in the habit of expressing their own opinions and achieve their own goals and not work for someone else’s uncle.
      1. cniza
        cniza 17 November 2015 07: 33 New
        +2
        The goal alone is to provoke Russia and draw it into the war.
    2. attuda
      attuda 17 November 2015 10: 43 New
      0
      in Dombass war cannot be avoided ...


  3. Ronin62
    Ronin62 17 November 2015 06: 58 New
    +2
    IG = PS, with all that it implies ... negative
  4. magician
    magician 17 November 2015 07: 00 New
    +4
    Кому-то не в радость наши успехи в Сирии, прям как в анекдоте "сосед купил новую стенку. Ночью приду душить-жаба зелёная"
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 17 November 2015 07: 07 New
      +1
      here is not so much success as it is necessary to draw Russia into the Ukrainian conflict. And then blame for aggression with the ensuing consequences.
  5. shimus
    shimus 17 November 2015 07: 06 New
    +3
    Oh, how can the OSCE have learned to use binoculars and a map ???
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 November 2015 10: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: shimus
      Oh, how can the OSCE have learned to use binoculars and a map ???

      Это они себе гостиницу найти не могут, вот и "увидели" наконец
      The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) is currently looking for a place for its office in Debaltseve, where observers could also reside. This was announced to DAN by the deputy head of the OSCE SMM in Ukraine, Alexander Hug.
      “We visited the city (October 25) and assessed the security and humanitarian situation. Due to damage to social infrastructure in suitable hotels Debaltsevo now live people who are left homeless. Therefore, we are still looking for places where you can place an office for observers and where they could live, ”he said.
      Hoog added that the DPR authorities are required to “ensure that security measures are in place so that the SMM can establish a presence there”.
      Earlier, a source from DAN reported that the OSCE mission plans to expand its presence in the Donbass and open three new bases - in Gorlovka, Enakievo and Debaltseve.
      Recall that Debaltseve came under the control of the DPR on 18 on February. During the retreat, according to the Ministry of Defense of the DPR, the Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed a number of communications, including the largest railway junction in the Donbass. A total of 80 percent of the buildings in the city were destroyed. The restoration of Debaltseve by the authorities of the Republic declared one of their key tasks.
  6. tankovod
    tankovod 17 November 2015 07: 09 New
    -4
    As noted by Russian President Vladimir Putin, apparently, someone really does not want a full-fledged peace to be established in the Donbas.

    И простил украм долг, а перед этим дал скидку на газ, за который все равно платить никто не будет. А в это время "лучшие друзья" китайцы пытаются продать стране, которая с нами воюет, штурмовики и хрен знает, что еще.
    They found in the territorial waters of Syria an oil field with a volume of 50 billion tons, with a depth of about 250 meters. And immediately the aircraft appeared there, they bombed the Basmachis 24 hours a day, and the Russians in the Donbass, but who needs them? Let’s throw up the grub, but the shells a little, let them rake themselves up against the regular army, which is actively rearming and hanging on the border. The main thing is that Banderohokhlov did not block the pipe to Europe, and you, the Donbass brothers, somehow yourself, are not up to you now, the New Year is coming, annual profits must be shared, but tickets for cool resorts must be booked
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 November 2015 07: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: tankovod
      They found in the territorial waters of Syria an oil field with a volume of 50 billion tons, with a depth of about 250 meters. And immediately the aircraft appeared there

      there is no such deposit in Syria
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 November 2015 08: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        there is no such deposit in Syria

        Hi Sanya! But it doesn’t matter to him whether it exists or not. He is simply firmly convinced that if we started to bomb, it means the cause or oil or gas.
      2. tankovod
        tankovod 17 November 2015 08: 12 New
        +1
        not 50, but 37bn, the Norwegian company Ansic announced back in 2013, and deposits were discovered back in 2010, only the volumes were not confirmed
        1. cniza
          cniza 17 November 2015 08: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: tankovod
          not 50, but 37bn, the Norwegian company Ansic announced back in 2013, and deposits were discovered back in 2010, only the volumes were not confirmed



          And not tons, but barrels. wink
          1. tankovod
            tankovod 17 November 2015 08: 25 New
            -1
            But the Saudis and Qatar are not funny, if Assad could organize production, he would claim to be another major oil supplier
        2. atalef
          atalef 17 November 2015 08: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: tankovod
          not 50, but 37bn, the Norwegian company Ansic announced back in 2013, and deposits were discovered back in 2010, only the volumes were not confirmed

          And there is no such thing
          1. tankovod
            tankovod 17 November 2015 09: 18 New
            -1
            Naturally, not in one place 37, a total of 14 deposits
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 November 2015 09: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: tankovod
              Naturally, not in one place 37, a total of 14 deposits

              And that is not true.
              1. andj61
                andj61 17 November 2015 10: 14 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: tankovod
                not 50, but 37bn, the Norwegian company Ansic announced back in 2013, and deposits were discovered back in 2010, only the volumes were not confirmed

                And there is no such thing

                Quote: atalef
                Quote: tankovod
                Naturally, not in one place 37, a total of 14 deposits

                And that is not true.

                Come on, Alexander, there’s not even 14 deposits there, but 114, not 37 billion, but 37 trillion tons - we just don’t know about that yet! wassat
                But it's almost true, but shhh! - a big secret! bully
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      3. andj61
        andj61 17 November 2015 09: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: tankovod
        They found in the territorial waters of Syria an oil field with a volume of 50 billion tons, with a depth of about 250 meters. And immediately the aircraft appeared there

        there is no such deposit in Syria

        Damn, they have been repeating for a couple of years that the mess started in Syria because Assad refused some gas or oil pipeline, either from Qatar, or from Saudi Arabia, and here - the largest field in Syria is on you! what Yes, it’s so easily accessible! fellow Here it is, Mikhalych! wink
        Well, now for sure Israel - well, how could it be without it - by horizontal drilling, while there the mess goes all the oil and sucks! bully
        And also, it turns out, Putin forgave Ukraine a debt - I wonder if he himself knows about it? what
        It would be necessary for him to read today's comments on VO, to be enlightened! good
        Hi Alexandram - the day started cheerfully, I hope that it will end no worse! drinks
      4. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 17 November 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        Hi !!. Unfortunately, oil and gas intelligence has confirmed that this is true. Pre-layers lie And on the coast of the island of Crete, Lebanon, Syria and a little Turkey. It is a reality. Now there is a quiet fuss around the economical zones of countries. So that is still ahead.
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    3. GRAY
      GRAY 17 November 2015 08: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: tankovod
      And forgave ukram duty

      When did you forgive?
  7. papanya59
    papanya59 17 November 2015 07: 09 New
    +3
    I think the OSCE for the first time gave objective information.
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 17 November 2015 08: 08 New
      +2
      I think the OSCE for the first time gave objective information.

      What's the point? Woz and now there.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 17 November 2015 07: 10 New
    +1
    not so gentlemen from the OSCE, now simply do not get away with just a statement of the facts, where are your sanctions against the villain-Ukraine, preparing a new massacre, where human rights are respected, the Minsk agreements and all that, or again, Russia has to do with it ...
  9. pvv113
    pvv113 17 November 2015 07: 14 New
    0
    active movement of Ukrainian military equipment is observed

    A cluster of solid dill armada along the front line was noticed
    Now, the leadership of the Armed Forces, taking advantage of the ceasefire unilaterally, is actively building up forces of personnel and equipment along the entire contact line, and is carrying out additional supplies of weapons and materiel. According to BCH intelligence, the Kiev army concentrated 322 units of military equipment near the demarcation line of the sides, 173 of which are strictly prohibited by the Minsk Memorandum

    http://u-f.ru/News/u345/2015/11/16/728919
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 17 November 2015 07: 23 New
      +2
      Таким количеством техники наступление на окопавшегося и готового к отпору противника НЕ ВЕДУТ. В пересчёте на привычные масштабы - 5 батальонных групп БЕЗ УСИЛЕНИЯ! Посему - считаю, провокации готовят, чтобы полновесно "получить по зубам" от ВСН, и побежать жаловаться "за океан", мол Россия обижает, опять свои невидимые танковые армады ввела, дайте денег. А то забывать стали об Укропии, в зубах навязла. Оскомина уже от неё, и конца краю этому цирку не видно.
  10. EvgNik
    EvgNik 17 November 2015 07: 16 New
    0
    The terrorist act in Paris affected them so much that they began to sin the truth? Or really do not want to once again throw money into the black hole of Ukraine?
  11. Amurets
    Amurets 17 November 2015 07: 22 New
    -1
    As President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin noted, apparently someone really doesn’t want a full-fledged peace to be established in the Donbas. Putin would also like otherwise he would not restructure debts to Ukraine.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 17 November 2015 09: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: Amurets
      otherwise he would not have restructured debts to Ukraine.

      So far, no restructuring is planned, Ukraine as sticking out 3 billion. And sticks out.
      Путин предложил "партнёрам" выступить в роли поручителей, т.е. по сути заплатить за скакунов.
      Options are as follows:
      1) "Партнеры" соглашаются разделить риски и , соответственно, выплачивают долг за Украину, потому как у этих голодранцев всё равно денег нет и не будет. Потом пусть вытрясают из них свои деньги как хотят.

      2) "Партнеры" НЕ соглашаются "разделить риски", это будет означать что они бросили своего союзника, при этом, Украина по прежнему будет должна 3 лярда без всякой рассрочки что будет означать для неё дефолт. Россия, в этом случае, будет судится с Украдиной и на все претензии будет отвечать что дескать "мы пошли на встречу и предложили вариант решения проблемы но "партнеры" отказались" тчк

      By the way, so far, those wishing to help Ceyevrope are not particularly observed. Obama only promised to think about the 1st lard, but this is not enough.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 November 2015 07: 26 New
    0
    apparently, someone really does not want a full world to be established in the Donbass.

    А этот кто-то и в ус не дует и сознательно подталкивает Украину к новому кровопролитию. Обнадеживает то, что миссия ОБСЕ наконец начала говорить то, что есть, а не то, что ей советовали говорить. Вот только практических результатов от таких заявлений не будет до тех пор пока Сша "смотрящие" за этим регионом.
  13. sl22277
    sl22277 17 November 2015 07: 32 New
    0
    This only leads to an increase in the degree of tension; it can again lead to conflict. Obviously, Kiev understands this, but all the same, as if on command, they persistently go on the rampage. Poroshenko does not need peace. He fears that in the context of the conflict with Syria, additional allocations cannot be allocated and will go to pay for military operations in Syria. Consequently, he is trying to remind himself as a loyal servant of Barack Obama and world transnational corporations.
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 17 November 2015 07: 36 New
    0
    And what should they do. It’s cold to sit in the trenches when ammunition-followers of the Minsk agreements brought up the cartridges. They will sign debt restructuring with aggressors and begin. Che pull something.
  15. aina01
    aina01 17 November 2015 07: 41 New
    +2
    The more I try to understand politics, the more I realize that I don’t understand anything in it. I just ask the question a reflection on the monitor screen: why now, when the masks are dropped, when the warring parties are announced, when the parrots on Obama’s shoulder threaten and provoke things for which - without trial or any consequence in any situation, why should people leave the angry poverty without that one-on-one guesses? Why bomb the IG, and look at Bandera from the depths and flare up their nostrils? Peace to peace, war to war ...
  16. BOB044
    BOB044 17 November 2015 07: 41 New
    +4
    It will not lead to good. I think the Armed Forces of Ukraine does not take blows to those places where equipment is stored, the LPR and the DPR. OBSE will merge these places in Ukraine. New Russia has no Air Force and dill have it. This is bad, all the equipment is compact in storage. Convenient for striking.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 November 2015 07: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: BOB044
      New Russia has no air force and dill has

      There is air defense and more than effective. Ukrainian pilots will confirm.
  17. snifer
    snifer 17 November 2015 07: 47 New
    +1
    Ukraine vryatli will climb into a deep offensive, since the offensive is a huge risk and heavy losses, and the Ukrainian army will not survive another boiler. Rather, tactics will provoke a militia on the offensive (possibly a valuable false offensive with subsequent withdrawal), and they themselves will meet on a well-organized line defense. Then, having exhausted the militia, deliver a counterattack by specially created groups of military men. You must not succumb to provocations and launch an offensive
  18. tankovod
    tankovod 17 November 2015 08: 06 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: atalef
    there is no such deposit in Syria

    Hi Sanya! But it doesn’t matter to him whether it exists or not. He is simply firmly convinced that if we started to bomb, it means the cause or oil or gas.

    Talk for yourself, otherwise you take a lot on yourself
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 November 2015 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: tankovod
      Talk for yourself, otherwise you take a lot on yourself

      Wow what a scary
      1. tankovod
        tankovod 17 November 2015 19: 01 New
        -1
        Do your hands work apart from your head, do you write your heresy in the wrong place? Go to the factory, add them to useful work
  19. Violamuza
    Violamuza 17 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +5
    Russia has proposed deferring payments on Ukraine’s debt under the guarantees of its Western partners.

    I translate it from a politically correct language into Russian: whoever dances a girl, he dines with her.

    If our probable partners give financial guarantees for Ukraine’s debts, which it considers below its dignity, then when Ukraine refuses to pay, either the US Treasury, the IMF, or the European Union will pay its debts.

    If they refuse to give financial guarantees for Ukraine’s debts until mid-December, then Putin takes the position: “Why don’t you believe President Poroshenko and the government of Yatsenyuk-Dzheresko, but should I believe? Not good!". And defaults.
  20. Tjeck
    Tjeck 17 November 2015 08: 56 New
    +1
    Yesterday Putin agreed to restructure public debt and the next day these bastards begin to terrorize the Donbass ?! I try to understand this in different ways, but I constantly get into a stupor. Why should we help the oligarch and his fascist henchmen? Tembolee this money is not private investors but the state, which in fact = our taxes. It is necessary to hold a petition on this case chtoli ..

    Personally, I do not want to uproot a regiment of basics or other tricks from my salary.
    1. Tjeck
      Tjeck 17 November 2015 09: 22 New
      0
      I forgot to add: if they can’t give it up and go into default, it’s even better, it will be possible to take it by privatization: for example, Donbass or squeeze gunpowder factories repeat
  21. Million
    Million 17 November 2015 09: 25 New
    0
    Probably someone from the OSCE zvezdyuly Euro-Ukrainians pressed
  22. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 17 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    fucking politics .. the ameripids never bother if someone needs to be thrown up .. and ours always endure .. wait .. it’s all the same one - we’ll have to brother up the people ... like a normal in Georgia, it turned out that the norm was waiting 10 years
  23. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 17 November 2015 09: 45 New
    +3
    We have already been driven into an unpleasant situation. We have made blood enemies out of relatives. Only bad and very bad ways out, and in any case the cowboys are the winners. The situation has reached such a stage. You can change it only by completely cutting the knot, because there is no time to unravel.
    Победим военным путём ,мы для "великих"враги на долгие годы станем.Оставим их в покое всё равно враги,да ещё и борзеть больше станут.Менять мнение простых украинцев тоже не один год нужен...Хотя пример есть...немцы после 9 мая 1945.
    Мне вот интересно ,а, если РЭБами "пожарить" скопления карателей и их командные центры,деморализовать их получится перед атакой?
  24. askort154
    askort154 17 November 2015 09: 46 New
    +3
    ЛИКБЕЗ НАСЧЁТ "УСТУПЧИВОСТИ"

    There are three options for the development of the situation;
    1. Ukraine does not agree to the proposed conditions. As a result, the debt has not been paid, DEFOLT, BUT Ukraine itself is to blame,
    because I didn’t want to negotiate. Yes, relations with European and American partners will deteriorate. Like, we
    everything was decided for you, but you gave the back.
    2. Ukraine agrees to the conditions proposed by Russia, But America, Europe and the IMF refuse to act as a guarantor.
    As a result of DEFAULT, BUT Russia is not to blame for it, but America with Europe. And they will have to explain
    Ukraine, why they refused to help her, if they believe in her bright future.
    3. And finally, the third option. Ukraine agrees, the USA gives a guarantee. As a result, Ukrainian bonds, which
    владеет Россия, получают гарантию США и автоматически переходят в разряд "безрисковых". РФ гарантированно
    получает свои деньги, НО в отличии от американских "безрисковых" облигаций, купонная доходность которых не
    does not exceed 0,85 percent, he earns income of 7,22 percent per annum, which gives for almost three years almost 22% of net
    profit on invested 3 billion.
    (aliadis, 17.11.2015, 06:34, INOSMI)
  25. Batia
    Batia 17 November 2015 10: 19 New
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    Quote: snifer
    Ukraine is unlikely to go into a deep offensive, since the offensive is a huge risk and heavy losses, and the Ukrainian army will not survive another boiler. Rather, tactics will provoke a militia on the offensive (possibly a valuable false offensive with subsequent withdrawal), and they themselves will meet on a well-organized line defense. After which, after exhausting the militia, deliver a counter strike by specially created groups of troops. You must not succumb to provocations and launch an offensive
    DNR and LC are necessary only from defense to counterattack. For a full-fledged offensive, numbers and equipment are not enough. The fronts will stretch and then wait for trouble, not all the same fools in the Armed Forces.
  26. KRIG55
    KRIG55 17 November 2015 10: 56 New
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    Current events in the world pushed Ukraine to the background and they urgently need to remind the world that they were attacked by Putin, who brazenly decided to restructure their debt.
  27. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 17 November 2015 11: 05 New
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    And GDP will restructure their debts ...
  28. LIS 2590
    LIS 2590 17 November 2015 11: 28 New
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    отдохнули, восполнили потери, теперь и повоевать, тем более "агрессор" дал отсрочку по долгу.
  29. atamankko
    atamankko 17 November 2015 11: 35 New
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    There will be provocations, there are no equal in this junta.
  30. iouris
    iouris 17 November 2015 12: 46 New
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    Чем так называемое "Украинское государство" отличается от так называемого "Исламского государства"? Та же технология создания, те же функции, те же методы, те же кураторы. Несущественная разница в географии.
    Two such problems are too many for the Russian Federation.
  31. rus-5819
    rus-5819 17 November 2015 13: 12 New
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    Therefore, we are still looking for places where you can place an office for observers and where they could live. ”
    Это надо понимать, что земляночка в районе Донецкого аэропорта на "пять звёзд" не тянет?