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The old gods of war: rare artillery in the Syrian war

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For the fifth year, there is a civil war in Syria. During the conflict, all its participants suffered heavy losses in manpower, weapons and equipment, and also spent a huge amount of ammunition, but none of the parties has come close to victory. A characteristic feature of the current war is the limited ability of participants to replenish their arsenals and fleet of vehicles, which is why they have to take specific measures. If possible, the parties to the conflict produce various weapons in artisanal conditions. In addition, for a long time the old and outdated systems that were available in warehouses were used.


Under the conditions of the current war, artillery is of particular importance, which in this case fully justifies its nickname “god of war”. All parties to the conflict use those or other tools, including artisanal manufacturing. In the case of government troops, there is a fairly widespread use of old weapons, including during the Second World War. Old artillery is used for a number of reasons. Home - the loss of a new weapons or development of its resource. In addition, some old guns still have high firepower, which is capable of ensuring the performance of combat missions even in the conditions of a modern conflict.

The old gods of war: rare artillery in the Syrian war
Syrian gunners firing at the enemy. Photo Vestnik-rm.ru


According to reports, the total number of artillery shells in the Syrian army may exceed 3 thousand units. It should be noted that the number of different weapons and equipment is constantly changing. During the fighting, the army loses guns and armored vehicles and suffers other casualties. In addition, the successful completion of some operations allows you to replenish the fleet of vehicles with trophies. It is possible that part of the weapons and equipment during the war managed to change the owners several times. For this reason, an accurate count of the number of certain systems is not possible.

Howitzer D-30

The 122-mm howitzer D-30 is a fairly old, although not completely outdated model of artillery of the Syrian army. According to The Military Balance 2014 and other sources, the Syrian armed forces had 450 guns of this type. Four hundred howitzers are used in the towed version, about fifty more are mounted on self-propelled chassis. To increase the mobility of artillery on the battlefield, these guns were mounted on a medium chassis tanks T-34-85 Soviet production.

The design of the D-30 gun howitzer makes it possible to fire with different elevation angles, attacking targets both in direct fire and from closed positions. It is possible to use separate loading projectiles of several types. By changing the angle of elevation and the use of various missile charges, the calculation of the weapon can fire at targets at distances over 15 km. Such characteristics of the D-30 howitzers can be used in most war operations.


Syrian self-propelled gun based on the T-34 tank and D-30 howitzer, which became the trophy of the Israeli army. Photo Alternathistory.org.ua


Howitzer D-30 was adopted by the Soviet army in the early sixties. In the future, guns of this type were supplied to third countries, including Syria. In total, the Syrian military received at least such 550-600 howitzers. Since that time, a part of these tools was probably written off as a result of the development of a resource. In addition, a number was destroyed or became the enemy's trophy during the civil war. To date, the total number of D-30 in the Syrian army does not exceed 400-450 units.

C-23 gun

A real rarity is the 180-mm C-23 gun, which is in service with the Syrian army. This tool was created by Soviet designers in the fifties, but did not become widespread. In the mid-fifties, shortly after the Soviet Army was adopted, only a few such guns were built, after which production stopped. New C-23 left the conveyor only in the late sixties (according to other data, after 1970), and, as far as we know, they were already produced for export deliveries, including to Syria


Fighter of the Syrian army and the gun C-23. Photo Imp-navigator.livejournal.com


The C-23 towed gun has a total weight of more than 21 t and is serviced by the calculation of 16 people. For delivery on the battlefield, the gun needs a tractor with the appropriate characteristics. The main ammunition guns are high-explosive shells caliber 180 mm. In addition, the use of concrete and other projectiles, including nuclear ones, is possible. When using a fragmentation projectile, the maximum firing range reaches 30,4 km. Due to the relatively large weight of ammunition and the lack of automation of reloading, the C-23 can fire at a rate of no more than one shot per minute. With long-term shooting, the rate of fire drops by half: the calculation takes about two minutes to prepare for a shot.

According to available information, no more than 10-12 C-23 type guns were delivered to Syria. The Military Balance 2014 reference book mentions 10 units of such weapons. Later sources, such as photographs from Syrian soldiers, suggest using at least six guns. Video on the use of such weapons against the so-called. moderate opposition or terrorist organizations are missing. However, there is reason to believe that C-23 is one of the means to destroy the militants. This, in particular, contributes to the long range and relatively high power of ammunition.

Howitzer M-30

Some types of artillery weapons, developed in the thirties of the last century, were produced serially and after the end of World War II. One example of this is the 122-mm howitzer of the 1938 sample of the year, also known as M-30. The first serial M-30 were handed over to the troops in 1940, and the last were released in 1955. In the postwar period, the rate of production declined significantly. Thus, during the war, no less than 2600 howitzers per year were produced (1945), and in the fifties, annual production volumes rarely exceeded 100 units. After the completion of serial production of M-30 howitzers, the Soviet industry began producing more advanced D-30.


Howitzer M-30 Syrian Army. A shot from the propaganda video


The 122-mm howitzer of the 1938 model is considered to be one of the most successful Russian guns from the Great Patriotic War. Armament of this type was actively used in various operations, which was promoted by its rather high characteristics and a large number of usable ammunition. Using fragmentation, shrapnel and other projectiles, M-30 could attack targets at ranges up to 11,8 km. In the postwar period, the range of ammunition was replenished with several new products, which expanded the range of tasks to be solved.

In the post-war period, M-30 howitzers, both existing and new, were actively supplied to third countries. At least one and a half hundred such guns were transferred to the Syrian armed forces. There is reason to believe that during the past few years such weapons remained in storage and were not used by the troops, since the information about their quantity remained unchanged from year to year. However, over the past few months, a number of photographic and video materials have appeared indicating the use of M-30 in combat.

For obvious reasons, howitzers developed in the late thirties, in terms of characteristics, are inferior to newer systems of similar caliber, not to mention more powerful tools. Nevertheless, seven decades ago, the M-30 gun demonstrated its potential, and now it clearly shows that it is still capable of solving the set combat missions.

Howitzer ML-20

Another rarity in the artillery formations of Syria is the 152-mm howitzer-gun of the 1937 model, or the ML-20. Like the M-30, these howitzers were developed in the second half of the thirties and were intended to re-equip the Red Army before the oncoming war. From 1937 to 1946, the Soviet industry built and transferred almost 6900 howitzer ML-20 to the army in towed form. In addition, almost 4 thousand such guns were made to arm self-propelled artillery installations.


Preparations for howitzer shooting ML-20. The D-30 is visible in the background.


The howitzer cannon ML-20 is deservedly considered one of the best tools of the Soviet development. In addition, there are more flattering assessments, making it the list of the best guns of the whole world for all history. The appearance of such assessments contributed to the high performance and combat effectiveness of the gun. The gun ML-20 is capable of firing direct fire or from a closed position. In the latter case, it is possible to hit targets at ranges up to 17,2 km. Moreover, in the post-war period, an active-missile projectile was developed, the firing range of which exceeded 20 km. In total, the range of ammunition guns includes shells of nearly four dozen types.

Due to the high power of propelling charges and 152-mm howitzer-cannon shells obr. 1937 had and has a high combat effectiveness in the destruction of open and fortified positions of the enemy. In addition, there are known cases of destruction of enemy armored vehicles with high-explosive fragmentation projectiles. In such cases, the destruction of the target was ensured only by the kinetic energy of the munition.

According to available data, at present, the Syrian army has no more than 70 howitzers ML-20 and similar systems D-20 of later release. Syrian artillerymen are aware of the high effectiveness of such weapons, and therefore they actively use them to fire at enemy positions. ML-20 and D-20 appear regularly in photos and videos from the front.

Howitzer 10.5 cm leFH 18

It should be noted, not only the Syrian army has "antique" weapons. The opposing groups and organizations, being in a similar position, are also forced to use artillery, whose age has exceeded several decades. For example, back in 2012, it became known that 105-mm 10.5 cm leFH 18 German-made XNUMX-mm howitzer fell into the hands of one of the groups opposing government forces.

The 105-mm lightweight howitzer was developed in the late twenties, but only went into series in the middle of the next decade. In the future, the 10.5 gun cm leFH 18 passed several upgrades, which allowed him to remain in mass production and maintain the status of the main howitzer of its class in the Wehrmacht. In view of the upgraded versions in 1935-45, German enterprises built more than 7 thousand of similar howitzers. All these weapons were actively used by Nazi Germany until the very end of the war.


Former German howitzer 10.5 cm leFH18, used by one of the armed formations


The main objective of 10.5 howitzer cm leFH 18 was the shelling of remote objects of the enemy using high-explosive fragmentation shells weighing 14,8 kg. In addition, in view of the specifics of the Second World War, an armor-piercing shell was created. In the future, the range of ammunition replenished with several new shots. When firing from a closed position, when using a fragmentation projectile and a corresponding sleeve with a propelling charge, targets were hit at ranges up to 10,67 km.

According to reports, after the end of World War II, most of the German guns, including 10.5 howitzers cm leFH 18, passed on to other countries. A number of 105-mm light howitzers went to Czechoslovakia, where they were used for several decades. Subsequently, the “used” weapon was transferred to Syria, where it was also operated for some time. Later, Syrian howitzers went to the storage bases, where they remained until the start of the war. In the 2011-12 years, some of the storage bases were captured by the militants, thanks to which they were able to replenish their arsenals, as well as to begin operation of the old German howitzers. During the war, part of the 10.5 guns cm leFH 18 was destroyed in battle, changed owners or was abandoned to develop a resource.

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Local conflicts of recent years, including the war in Syria, have several characteristic features. One of them is the use of a variety of weapons produced in different countries at different times. In addition, weapons made by belligerents in artisanal conditions are also actively used. This feature of the conflict attracts the attention of specialists and amateurs of military affairs, and also demonstrates the ingenuity and resourcefulness of armies and groups that find themselves in difficult conditions.

The reasons for the use of old and artisanal weapons systems are simple and clear. Not all parties to the current conflict can count on anyone's help in the required amounts. As a result, it is necessary to remove outdated equipment or weapons from storage, as well as to make new weapons on their own. In addition, the use of outdated weapons contributes to the lack of a developed defense industry in Syria and a solid age of weapons and equipment in the arsenals. In other words, those systems that have long since become obsolete from the point of view of developed armies, in the case of the Syrian army or armed formations, are quite modern and suitable for use.

It is also necessary to take into account the peculiarities of the conflict. The existing conditions do not impose any special requirements on weapons and equipment that the old models do not fundamentally correspond to. This is especially pronounced in the case of artillery. The guns and howitzers in the Syrian war only require a certain range of fire, acceptable accuracy and power of ammunition, as well as the ability to quickly get out of return fire. Artillery systems from the Second World War and newer models fully comply with such requirements. In addition, the parties to the conflict simply have no choice.

The Syrian army does not have to choose, and the allies are not able to supply it with a large number of modern artillery guns. As a result, in the artillery divisions of Syria there is a real "assorted" from a large number of types of guns. Practice shows that such a weapon, despite its age, is quite capable of attacking the enemy and destroying it. It should be noted that the use of weapons of various types from different eras also demonstrates the fact that the Syrian army is doing everything possible to combat terrorism and preserve statehood, not paying attention to the age of the materiel and other insignificant things in this situation.


On the materials of the sites:
http://lenta.ru/
http://vestnik-rm.ru/
http://russianarms.ru/
http://alternathistory.org.ua/
http://shurupo-vert.ru/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/
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  1. Bath
    Bath 17 November 2015 06: 00 New
    +9
    Old soviet but everything works quality is more expensive than price
    1. Civil
      Civil 18 November 2015 16: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Bath
      Old soviet but everything works quality is more expensive than price


      They are so up to the Shuvalov Unicorns))))
  2. Just BB
    Just BB 17 November 2015 06: 38 New
    10
    Interesting topic.
    I recall in such cases the "slogan" of my first Chief: "Glory to the Soviet steelworkers!"
    The reasons for using old and artisanal weapon systems are simple and understandable.

    Handicrafts will not touch (although T-34 + D-30 good, it would be possible to "slow down" S-23 request )
    The use of obsolete weapons is facilitated by the lack of a developed defense industry in Syria and the solid age of weapons and equipment in the arsenals.


    The fifth year is a war ... Yes, not very "active" ...
    Imagine a different situation and a different region.
    The exchange of attacks at the initial stage of the conflict will leave the defense industry of the conflicting states untouched ????
    I doubt very much.
    The latest combat technology will not be subjected to a massive attack ???
    Oh oh !!!
    Trained trained army will not suffer heavy losses ???
    (Even thirty years ago it was believed that the regular army was designed for the initial stage of the war - to provide an opportunity to deploy reserves)
    That is after the reserves go (they have already forgotten military service or did not know at all):
    The existing conditions do not impose any special requirements on armaments and equipment, which fundamentally do not correspond to old models. This is especially pronounced in the case of artillery. Guns and howitzers in the conditions of the Syrian war require only a certain range of fire, acceptable accuracy and power of ammunition, as well as the ability to quickly escape from return fire. The artillery systems of the times of the Second World War and newer models fully comply with such requirements.

    I would also add: - ease of learning
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 November 2015 07: 49 New
    +6
    Russian "storage base" - an inexhaustible storehouse in case of unforeseen. If even in Syria for many years there remained such rarities. And they shoot! That's because the grandfathers did the tenacious technique!
    1. Bersaglieri
      Bersaglieri 17 November 2015 16: 42 New
      +2
      Yeah, there are good things like M-46, BS-3 and the like, but in solidarity. Donbass-confirmation.
  4. dvg79
    dvg79 17 November 2015 08: 27 New
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    Well, probably there’s not much left, especially old explosive ordnance.
  5. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 17 November 2015 08: 44 New
    +3
    What fundamentally differs the weapon of the thirties from modern systems. Nothing.
    Of course they are not suitable perhaps for the fight against modern tanks.
    Opponents of the old cannons - the same old armored vehicles and SUVs with machine guns.
    1. Tartary
      Tartary 17 November 2015 09: 08 New
      +8
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      What fundamentally differs the weapon of the thirties from modern systems. Nothing.
      Of course they are not suitable perhaps for the fight against modern tanks.
      Opponents of the old cannons - the same old armored vehicles and SUVs with machine guns.

      In the mid-80s, he served in the artillery division of a rifle regiment in Kamchatka ... M-30 will tell you, the 37th year, but with a cumulative or sub-caliber, and even with a munition ordnance weighing 32 kg. -will be able to pay extra money to “Abrams”good
      When shooting "ripper" in dir. howitzers, scatter within a radius of 50 meters. So it’s better to hammer at once with a battery of 6 guns or immediately with a division - 18 ...yes
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 17 November 2015 10: 00 New
        +5
        Quote: Tartary
        M-30 I will tell you, 37 of the year, yes with cumulative or under-caliber, and even with HE ammunition, weighing over 32 kg

        M-30 with sub-caliber ammunition? wassat The mass of a high-explosive fragmentation 122 mm projectile is not much more than 21 kg.
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 17 November 2015 16: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Bongo
          Quote: Tartary
          M-30 I will tell you, 37 of the year, yes with cumulative or under-caliber, and even with HE ammunition, weighing over 32 kg

          M-30 with sub-caliber ammunition? wassat The mass of a high-explosive fragmentation 122 mm projectile is not much more than 21 kg.

          I agree - 21,72 kg. 32 is the cost of a shot at those prices = the cost of chrome boots ...
          Yes, and there were no sub-caliber ...
          However, the armor-piercing-cumulative one was ... 200 mm of armor penetrated ... Was it not enough?
          1. Bersaglieri
            Bersaglieri 17 November 2015 16: 43 New
            +1
            In a lateral projection, just right.
    2. the47th
      the47th 17 November 2015 09: 32 New
      +1
      They differ of course. Sights, the convenience of aiming and loading, deployment time. And in terms of the damaging effect, yes, they differ little. Now towed artillery is the destiny of poor countries with a poor army. In the world's leading armies, self-propelled artillery rules the ball.
      1. avt
        avt 17 November 2015 09: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: the47th
        They differ of course. Sights, the convenience of aiming and loading, deployment time.

        Forgot about the weight and dimensions, well, with the exception of the barrel length.
        Quote: the47th
        In the world's leading armies, self-propelled artillery rules the ball.

        laughing Tell it to us.
        1. the47th
          the47th 17 November 2015 21: 38 New
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          Quote: avt
          Tell it to us.

          The USs, at one time, were not tired of creating a unified chassis, and therefore the M109 has its own chassis, which is not compatible with other machines. But such decisions are not cheap. In the Soviet Union, when designing tracked vehicles, they paid attention to the fact that the chassis will carry different weapons and perform various tasks with minimal changes.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 November 2015 11: 13 New
        +5
        "Now towed artillery is the destiny of poor countries with a poor army." ///

        Do not tell. M777 "three sevens" of the English development,
        the newest of the 21st century.
        155 mm howitzer weighs 4 tons. It is thrown by helicopters (!).
        1. the47th
          the47th 17 November 2015 17: 35 New
          +1
          Helicopters are good, only the Black Hawk raises exactly four tons, so for the ammunition you need a second helicopter, or take Chinook.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 17 November 2015 17: 54 New
            0
            Take Chinook. Here is a good photo,
            how compact the M777 looks when folded
            1. the47th
              the47th 17 November 2015 21: 21 New
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              Is it too wasteful? The helicopter eats a lot of kerosene. It is clear that a howitzer can be thrown into a place inaccessible to ground equipment, but for mass use it will be too expensive. So this is most likely from the category of "if nothing else helps."
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 November 2015 17: 28 New
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                The guns also shoot for a reason
                and on GPS all sorts of things: quickly and to the point. Therefore, a lot of them are not necessary.
                One such howitzer helicopter can replace an entire convoy
                self-propelled guns, which are still sawing and sawing (guarded) to the target.
                1. the47th
                  the47th 18 November 2015 18: 07 New
                  0
                  That's just the helicopter rattles so that it can be heard for kilometers, and self-propelled guns are quieter than the water below the grass compared to it. In addition, if the target needs one accurate shot, then it is not easier to send an airplane with a bomb or missile, it will do the job much faster. Also: with a shooter, a self-propelled gun lowers the barrel, turns around and dumps, and the howitzer needs to be brought into transport position, load the ammunition on the helicopter, hook it (and the helicopter hangs all this time and tells the enemy: "I'm here! Shoot me someone!") , and then only flies away. Even with a truck, this is much faster.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 19 November 2015 18: 08 New
                    0
                    There is a reason in your objections, there are pros and cons in the "air artillery".
                    But according to reviews by American soldiers, the Three Sevens, along with
                    with drone Predator (MQ-1 Predator) and grenade launcher with rangefinder XM25
                    turned out to be the most successful innovations in the Afghan war.
      3. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 17 November 2015 16: 44 New
        +1
        I wouldn’t be so categorical about towed art as “third world toys”. But what about the M-777, for example?
  6. sabakina
    sabakina 17 November 2015 09: 29 New
    +3
    Howitzer gun ML-20

    If I am not mistaken, it is this weapon that we often see on the newsreels of the Second World War? These characteristic "horns" ... There really shot a "crowd" ...
  7. traveler
    traveler 17 November 2015 09: 52 New
    -6
    if the Assad army is fighting with old weapons, then its opponents are often generally some kind of makeshift crafts. and if the other way around?
    1. avt
      avt 17 November 2015 12: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: traveler
      if the Assad army is fighting with old weapons, then its opponents are often generally some kind of makeshift crafts.

      When was the last time you watched a chronicle? The same “Tou” weren’t observed? There, before the intervention of Russia, the parity was completely drawn up in armaments. The Asadovskys for 4 years were very restrained, and the spirits gained a lot of weapons in Iraq and in Syria, including Amer’s, this is not counting supplies. so omniscient - where did the Hesballah ,, Abrams "come from? Well, about which Israel officially expressed concern? Or stupidly too lazy to see the victory chronicle of spirits when they crumbled Iraq?
      1. Forest
        Forest 17 November 2015 12: 56 New
        +2
        Hezbollah fights on Assad’s side, ISIS captured Abrams from the Iraqi army.
      2. traveler
        traveler 17 November 2015 14: 16 New
        -1
        those. do you put a counterweight to the above artillery?
        here is an article about artillery, could you tell me if you are following the events there so carefully, someone supplies artillery of the so-called opposition? howitzers, for example.
        and igil generously shares with his colleagues from nusra, ssa, etc. trophy Iraqi technology?
        and finally, who is the main enemy of al-Assad, who has squeezed his troops since the beginning of the war, the igil, or is it the same ssa, jabhat-en-nusra?
        1. anti-Semite
          anti-Semite 17 November 2015 16: 57 New
          0
          rifle shooter rpg auto transport deliver in significant quantities about artillery information was not
        2. avt
          avt 17 November 2015 17: 03 New
          0
          Quote: traveler
          those. do you put a counterweight to the above artillery?

          When there is nothing to say, it is better to remain silent - you will marry a smart one. Well, if again
          Quote: avt
          b, and the spirits gained a lot of weapons in Iraq and in the same Syria, including the Amer’s,

          they didn’t look at the same spiritual chronicle, where did they dissect on the Carnations and on various tanks, moreover, under their own flags and not only Igilov’s?
          Quote: traveler
          and igil generously shares with his colleagues from nusra, ssa, etc. trophy Iraqi technology?

          Such a great perfume specialist ?? laughing Well then, a rally - what did Raqqu take and under what name and flag? And what flag did the same spirits raise right after the capture and with whom did they declare themselves? Then we’ll talk about the last one and the other crap for a “free Syrian army” and from whom it is free. Like the Baghdadi who was sitting with us in a prison in Iraq, and then he suddenly became the leader, as did some other Guantanamo graduates.The USs have no prisons, but direct West Point branches for spirits.
          1. traveler
            traveler 17 November 2015 18: 13 New
            +2
            I do not watch their chronicle, somehow not before. I'm not a perfume specialist, not superstitious at all. I, in fact, do not care what they dissect, even on starships.
            I recall, it was about artillery. please tell me who supplies the so-called opposition guns.
            My first post in our dialogue was about the Asadites fighting mainly with junk (about which the article itself), and the anti-Assad soldiers often with handicrafts (about which there were a lot of articles here in).
            which of these two statements do you disagree with?
    2. anti-Semite
      anti-Semite 17 November 2015 16: 58 New
      0
      it would be one Wahhabi state more
  8. sergo1914
    sergo1914 17 November 2015 10: 39 New
    +2
    M-30 - THING !!! The best howitzer of all time. Lightweight, mobile, indestructible. The shell can be put in the mouse eye.
    The German (leFH 18) is also good, but heavy. Four of you do not drag.
    IMHO, of course, that's all.
    1. VIK_1961
      VIK_1961 17 November 2015 15: 49 New
      +2
      At practical firing back in 1981, I observed with a picnic, how the first sighting with closed fire (D about 6000m) was planted exactly in the training target (dugout) and the next two left me with these good memories of mine. A machine!!!!!
  9. marinier
    marinier 17 November 2015 11: 13 New
    +6
    Good time of the day, Forum4ane.
    I read the article. I immediately wrote it was surprised. But there is no doubt a fact. This is unnecessary proof to those who assert that RUSSIA helps the armed forces, Assad.
    If / if Assad semi-modern art> systems, as spiteful people say
    west. That igil, alkaeda, and the like would be + in hell. And menia is an example,
    how can Nlzia be allowed to dispose of, an old weapon. In the war, everything will come in handy,
    especially total.
  10. kvs207
    kvs207 17 November 2015 11: 53 New
    +1
    I wonder where they get ammunition for the German howitzers?
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 17 November 2015 17: 32 New
      0
      105 cm? NATO standard caliber, if not mistaken.
  11. Bassman
    Bassman 17 November 2015 12: 38 New
    +5
    Here is such a rarity seen in Syria. Moreover, on the side of government troops
    1. Bassman
      Bassman 17 November 2015 12: 42 New
      0
      Memory on the chassis.
  12. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 17 November 2015 13: 13 New
    +2
    This is normal practice accepted around the world.
  13. Signaller
    Signaller 17 November 2015 18: 24 New
    +1
    Regarding the M-30 masterpiece of artillery guns of the 40s. Unspent to this day.
    Also known is the emotional assessment of the M-30 howitzer based on the results of its combat use by Soviet gunners, given by Marshal G. F. Odintsov: “Nothing can be better than it”
    Clear business. Something is better, something worse, but there is a classic, this is a classic instrument of the genre.
  14. Stilet
    Stilet 17 November 2015 18: 56 New
    +1
    It would be interesting to read about the effectiveness of these systems. In the photo, the presence of an instillation of tools is imperceptible — these are features of a national character ?! My grandfather in the Second World War served in artillery in the howitzer regiment M-30. So he said that most of the war was not worn out by the Germans, but by a shovel, because I had to constantly dig in: the main position + spare + shell ditches + cracks.
  15. tracer
    tracer 18 November 2015 02: 04 New
    0
    The Internet bastard gobbled up my comment. Sorry. But I am in a nutshell. An example in practice, a mosin sniper rifle is quite suitable for its work. With a friend, she knocks out a little less than a corner minute by a hundred yards with a good cartridge. But the latest English rifle and with the newest German sight in .308 caliber produces 0.25 arc minutes and also five rounds. However, the difference between them is 70 years and 12000 dollars. But the thing is that the accuracy of the mosin is quite acceptable for its tasks. Although the British are certainly technically better.
  16. Sasha75
    Sasha75 18 November 2015 05: 24 New
    0
    And let's not forget the new weapon costs a lot of money, but the old one can be bought at the price of scrap metal and fight against terrorists, and what difference does it die from a 152mm projectile 45goda or from an expensive 155mm NATO gun for 5-10 thousand euros. And to us than to destroy ammunition at the landfills, where the shells and ammunition he saw 39g are better in Syria for free disposal.
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  18. Urals
    Urals 18 November 2015 10: 56 New
    0
    here they are beauties winked
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 22 November 2015 12: 19 New
      0
      We are more beautiful in St. Petersburg! bully