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Sevastopol will become the home base of Green Dola and Serpukhov

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The newest IRC "Green Dol" and "Serpukhov" successfully completed sea trials in the Novorossiysk naval base, reports MIC with reference to the press service of the Black Sea Fleet.


Sevastopol will become the home base of Green Dola and Serpukhov


“It is planned that in the coming days both RTOs will make the transition to a permanent base in Sevastopol, where the Andreevsky naval flag will be solemnly raised on them. Ships will be part of the crew of missile boats of the Black Sea fleet", - says the release.

“The ships were built at the Zelenodolsk shipyard named after Gorky. The IDC “Green Dol” and “Serpukhov” are the fourth and fifth ships of the modernized series “Buyan-M”, which have an increased displacement and are equipped with the newest long-range missile complex “Caliber-NK”, the press service recalled.
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  1. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 16 November 2015 17: 26
    21
    That's glorious! .. The whole world already understands what "Caliber-NK" is capable of.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 16 November 2015 17: 31
      26
      Europe again grabbed the compasses, the dill powdered rooster again got drunk and yells that Ukraine is a great sea power, that’s what the life-giving caliber does. Seven feet a keel!
      1. My address
        My address 16 November 2015 17: 51
        14
        I will continue your comment joke:
        Recently, the submarine forces of Ukraine tripled! An old boat and a pleasure boat sank on the roads of Odessa from old age. laughing
        Sala Ukraine wassat ! Hero-Dill fool on tinsel!
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 16 November 2015 19: 04
        +4
        A new portion of Caliber in the Black Sea will not hurt. For the Turks and NATO, a weighty "argument" will be added.
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 17 November 2015 09: 01
          0
          that's for sure, the NATO people a hundred pounds are already taking measurements, where the Caliber will get from Sevastopol .....
      3. Civil
        Civil 16 November 2015 19: 23
        +3
        The caliber will help Ukrainians not to lose the shore.
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 16 November 2015 22: 14
      +2
      The crew of the cottage saiga will soon only have to shoot themselves.
      1. Poppy
        Poppy 17 November 2015 10: 11
        +1
        they don’t have time to think about this, they are now collecting money for the radar with the whole world
        chose a fishing one, from a decommissioned vessel - very inexpensive
  2. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 16 November 2015 17: 27
    10
    level 100 trolling for dill from our Ministry of Defense bully calibers under your barrel lol
  3. Asadullah
    Asadullah 16 November 2015 17: 27
    17
    Here it is, the disproportion of opposition. What is there in Romania? Missile defense say? Nude Nude.
    1. bocsman
      bocsman 16 November 2015 17: 40
      +3
      Quote: Asadullah
      Here it is, the disproportion of opposition. What is there in Romania? Missile defense say? Nude Nude.

      And why only Romania and Turkey with its indefatigable ambitions and the rest of the singers p.iii apologize to the mattress. So let them consider how many missiles there are on board. And the ships and crew success!
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 16 November 2015 17: 53
        +6
        and Turkey with its indefatigable ambitions


        If Turkey were an exemplary obedient boy of NATO, then it would probably stand in a row with Romania and Bulgaria. But today, Turkey resembles a man in a sober-hopper, who, having recovered in the morning, discovered that his ass was thickly smeared with oil. And now he turns to everything in front, covering his back with a pillow and looks suspiciously into everyone’s eyes. In this state, she is not like the Great Turan, not even the Atlantic solidarity.
  4. kote119
    kote119 16 November 2015 17: 29
    +5
    The Black Sea Fleet has long been waiting for the renewal of the naval staff, these ships will succinctly fit into the Black Sea Fleet, good luck to them on the seas.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 16 November 2015 17: 45
      +4
      Quote: kote119
      The Black Sea Fleet has long been waiting for the renewal of the naval staff, these ships will succinctly fit into the Black Sea Fleet, good luck to them on the seas.

      So they were sent there not because of their good life, but because of the lack of an "admiral's" series.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 16 November 2015 21: 20
        +3
        Quote: lelikas
        So they were sent there not because of their good life, but because of the lack of an "admiral's" series.
        Alexey, a little bit wrong.
        Buyans with their displacement and autonomy of 10 days - BMZ ships. They are built because it is fast, powerful, efficient. The Caspian flotilla showed this.
        Admiral series (1135 hull) - DMZ ships. They will continue to guard the Middle-earth before and today, carrying the BS in its waters.
  5. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 16 November 2015 17: 32
    +4
    Quote: kote119
    The Black Sea Fleet has long been waiting for the renewal of the ship’s composition, these ships succinctly fit into the Black Sea Fleet, good luck to them on the seas.

    concise or harmonious? repeat
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 16 November 2015 17: 49
      +2
      And harmoniously and concisely.
      Harmoniously - Will complement and decorate with its presence the entire existing ensemble.
      Succinctly - can briefly, quickly and capaciously respond to any machinations of adversaries.
      Something like this ... hi
  6. g1v2
    g1v2 16 November 2015 17: 34
    +3
    They will hand over another one next year - I am sure of Zelenodoltsy. hi Then 3 more for the Black Sea Fleet and under the contract another 3 for the Caspian. That is, there will be 6 units in the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian, and given the inland waterways, they can be easily transferred between fleets. That’s what I don’t really like - it’s already November, but about the project MrK 22800 information is miserable. And in theory next year, the first tab should have been already. soldier
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 16 November 2015 17: 47
      0
      Honestly, I don’t see any sense in the parallel construction of two regional projects: 21361 and 22800. Why? What admirals Buyan-M do not like? Moreover, 22800 is not very different from it. request
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 16 November 2015 20: 37
        +4
        Buyan-m only for calm seas, but it can normally enter rivers. Mrk 22800 differs in that it is intended for the rest of the fleets, where Buyan-m cannot be used - SF, Pacific Fleet, it is unclear about the Baltic. So, judging by everything, for now, the project is not yet ready, it will be an MRK with approximately the same characteristics in terms of armament, but which can go to turbulent seas.
    2. pellets
      pellets 16 November 2015 17: 58
      0
      Project 22800 small missile ships with cruise missiles will replace Project 11356 frigates; the lead ship will be laid down in 2016, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, said on Wednesday.
      The construction of Project 11356 frigates will be suspended after the third ship in connection with Ukraine’s non-delivery of gas turbine engines for them.
      “Project 11356 small missile ships with cruise missiles will come to replace 22800; we plan to lay down the lead ship in 2016,” Chirkov said.
      In total, 18 ships of the project 22800 will be built for the Russian Navy, said the commander in chief
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 16 November 2015 18: 03
        -1
        Project 22800 small missile ships with cruise missiles will replace Project 11356 frigates; the lead ship will be laid down in 2016, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, said on Wednesday.
        The construction of Project 11356 frigates will be suspended after the third ship in connection with Ukraine’s non-delivery of gas turbine engines for them.
        “Project 11356 small missile ships with cruise missiles will come to replace 22800; we plan to lay down the lead ship in 2016,” Chirkov said.
        In total, 18 ships of the project 22800 will be built for the Russian Navy, said the commander in chief

        And what ?! wassat
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 16 November 2015 17: 36
    +4
    And it is right. From there it is much closer to Syria than from the Caspian. You must beware of the temptations of partners. Putin’s diabolical plan to end the war and hold elections in Syria does not inspire confidence. Yes, Assad and the terrorist hell, he does not want to leave. And then there are fighters against Putin's terrorist troops sharpening their teeth. Soon, the spring aggravation of democratic attacks will begin.
    1. Parvulus
      Parvulus 16 November 2015 17: 40
      +1
      Turks will not miss
      1. Stinger
        Stinger 16 November 2015 17: 48
        +2
        From the Novorossiysk naval base do you think they will not be released? We will break through. Through Belarus!
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 16 November 2015 17: 51
        +1
        Why should they ask?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 16 November 2015 21: 36
          +2
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Why should they ask?

          Quote: egor1712
          and who will ask them ?!

          Well, how would you react to the fact that your territory was attacked by the Kyrgyz Republic? After all, it is not clear where they are diving at the target, and what this goal will be: your command posts and airfields with warehouses and arsenals or terrorist bases ...
          And if you entered the anti-aircraft battle - then this is the conduct of the database - a prelude to a big war. And who will answer for this?
          So, as the Chukchi reindeer herder used to say: "The head, however, must be thought !!!"
      3. egor1712
        egor1712 16 November 2015 18: 02
        -3
        and who will ask them ?!
  8. ssergn
    ssergn 16 November 2015 17: 37
    +3
    Well, this is the type of Alaverdi for their two MBACs, which were lowered in Ukraine recently. laughing
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 November 2015 17: 44
    0
    Well this is very timely. Everyone has already understood what these ships are capable of. Soon the "partners" will look into every boat, just in case, what if these Russians screwed something winged and homing there too?
  10. Altona
    Altona 16 November 2015 17: 46
    +8

    Handsome men, not like the recently shown "ukrozumvalt" of the Lenin Forge of Captain Chekushka, sorry, the patrol boat "Gyurza-M" with a gun in the bow ...
    1. kote119
      kote119 16 November 2015 17: 59
      +2
      they said cool about ukrozumwalt wassat
  11. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 16 November 2015 17: 46
    0
    Meanwhile, Ukraine is boasting in front of the whole world with the construction of two boats ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 16 November 2015 17: 52
      +3
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Meanwhile, Ukraine is boasting in front of the whole world with the construction of two boats ...

      -------------------
      Ukraine’s military state order for ships increased by 200%, is it a joke ... laughing
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 16 November 2015 17: 52
      +5
      Good news, personally, I think until we have created gas turbines for ships, we need to load our shipyards with orders for ships of this class and submarines that we can produce ourselves without "other people's" components.
      Let there be a mosquito fleet, but it’s completely ours, and then when we start production of domestic gas turbines, we can switch to the production of ocean ships.
  12. roskot
    roskot 16 November 2015 17: 48
    +2
    Soon, the spring aggravation of democratic attacks will begin.

    Well said. Exacerbation of them periodically happen. It is necessary to treat the presence of our fleet.
  13. KnightRider
    KnightRider 16 November 2015 17: 56
    +3
    Good service to new ships! soldier
  14. gas113
    gas113 16 November 2015 18: 20
    +1
    An icebreaker urgently needs to politely deal with adversaries
    1. gas113
      gas113 16 November 2015 18: 39
      0
      and what a minus? Before, the watchmen were of the ice class and shoved amers from the World Cup, but right now, what should I use to buy an arly burke?
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 16 November 2015 19: 44
        +4
        Or maybe then boarding sabers to the whole crew? Well, so that those on Arly Burke generally managed. Can you imagine? First we ram, then on board we take ... oooh ... wassat laughing
        1. gas113
          gas113 16 November 2015 20: 09
          0
          psychological impact on the enemy can also give a result. the main thing is his lack of a sense of comfort and security
        2. Poppy
          Poppy 17 November 2015 10: 13
          -1
          they can do it without sabers
  15. Old26
    Old26 16 November 2015 18: 24
    +3
    Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
    That's glorious! .. The whole world already understands what "Caliber-NK" is capable of.

    Except especially advanced. Those who do not see the forest because of the trees and are ready to scream URYAYAYA about every occasion

    Quote: Asadullah
    Here it is, the disproportion of opposition. What is there in Romania? Missile defense say? Nude Nude.

    Will it fly to this base or will we loot it?

    Quote: lelikas
    Quote: kote119
    The Black Sea Fleet has long been waiting for the renewal of the naval staff, these ships will succinctly fit into the Black Sea Fleet, good luck to them on the seas.

    So they were sent there not because of their good life, but because of the lack of an "admiral's" series.

    Moreover, no one even pays attention to the fact that these ships will be part of a brigade of ROCKET BOATS, that is, ships of the FOURTH RANK. And this indicates what place, in contrast to forum experts, is given to them by the leadership of the Russian Navy. The flat-bottomed ships have already become almost missile cruisers in the eyes of the Xperts. But in fact, what is it? Ships that are drowned by any attack aircraft, they were outside the coverage of the coastal air defense. Ships protecting the water area - this is their place in the fleet ...

    Quote: Pellets
    Project 22800 small missile ships with cruise missiles will replace Project 11356 frigates

    Small rocket ships WILL NEVER REPLACE EVEN THE SAME FRIGATES
    No need to carry a blizzard. This is the same as saying that the AN-2 as a transporter will replace the IL-76. Ships of rank 4 will replace the ships of the first ??? Well this is a new word in naval strategy and tactics.
    Urgently write to Putin to imprison those who offer to build frigates and especially destroyers for 15 years.
    There was already such an admiral in the history of the Soviet Navy - Amelko, who stated that we do not need an ocean fleet and we will manage with mosquitoes. Thank God they did not listen to him. You are haunted by his laurels ??

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Well this is very timely. Everyone has already understood what these ships are capable of. Soon the "partners" will look into every boat, just in case, what if these Russians screwed something winged and homing there too?


    "Partners", unlike those who write here, are well versed in weapons and know the price of a particular ship. This we have here is continuous ecstasy and hap-hack. And "Partners" know very well what is needed in order to deploy such a complex, they know very well that these "river-sea" ships with a complete lack of air defense are so, an annoying hindrance, no more ... Any more or less serious storm they are chained to the shore ...
    1. gas113
      gas113 16 November 2015 18: 45
      0
      in! you need an arsenal ship, a barge with good seaworthiness and powerful strike weapons, and small ships should be equipped with powerful air defense and guard
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 November 2015 19: 15
      +3
      Quote: Old26
      Ships of the water area - that's their place in the fleet

      For the protection of the Crimea are quite suitable. Frigates are certainly more serious, but several missile systems capable of beating at 1500 km are not bad in any case.
      Quote: Old26
      Missile boats, that is, ships of the FOURTH RANK

      And not a third? Conventional boats are the fourth, and missile boats, in my opinion, are no longer there.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 16 November 2015 22: 08
        +4
        Quote: Dart2027
        And not a third? Conventional boats are the fourth, and missile boats, in my opinion, are no longer there.

        This is a rank 3 small missile SHIP. It is determined by a displacement of -940t and a wearable weapon. As well as "Sivuch" (pr1239), it will operate as part of KUGs.
        Zelenodoltsy are ready to offer a new version of the skeg ship at the VP. At the same time, the missile base was significantly increased, there is a helipad - which means its own source of missile defense. AU for close combat ...
        In short, I liked it.
    3. Altona
      Altona 16 November 2015 19: 33
      +5
      Quote: Old26
      Moreover, no one even pays attention to the fact that these ships will be part of a brigade of ROCKET BOATS, that is, ships of the FOURTH RANK. And this indicates what place, in contrast to forum experts, is given to them by the leadership of the Russian Navy. The flat-bottomed ships have already become almost missile cruisers in the eyes of the Xperts. But in fact, what is it? Ships that are drowned by any attack aircraft, they were outside the coverage of the coastal air defense. Ships protecting the water area - this is their place in the fleet ...

      ---------------------
      While what can be built is being built. Not such a bad ship of the Buyan-M series. Of course, this is not a frigate or a corvette, but quite a formidable ship. There will be opportunities, and larger ships will be built. Now we are glad that we have. It has air defense, albeit primitive in the form of a memory, there are missiles "Onyx" or "Caliber", there is a cruising range of 2500 miles. It is necessary to update the fleet, even with such units. Protect our water area and be a high-precision strike missile platform. And we have an aircraft carrier, Crimea is our unsinkable aircraft carrier, thanks to which the Turkish fleet is a bunch of floating tin cans. Don't forget about it. And we will build ships, both larger and more modern ...
  16. hannibal lecter
    hannibal lecter 16 November 2015 19: 05
    +2
    Quote: Altona

    Handsome men, not like the recently shown "ukrozumvalt" of the Lenin Forge of Captain Chekushka, sorry, the patrol boat "Gyurza-M" with a gun in the bow ...

    And probably some kind of haz has been downloaded in the balls. These cannot be without a hazu. Maybe it’s a tanker, a gas tanker, they decided to rush to Norway for spot gas
  17. cap
    cap 16 November 2015 19: 29
    0
    Seven feet under the keel. soldier
  18. Old26
    Old26 16 November 2015 20: 33
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Old26
    Ships of the water area - that's their place in the fleet

    For the protection of the Crimea are quite suitable. Frigates are certainly more serious, but several missile systems capable of beating at 1500 km are not bad in any case.

    Their main task at the Black Sea Fleet will hardly be to hit 1500 km on land. After all, it is clear that the launch from the Caspian from the ships of this project was a necessary measure. Yes, and agreed with Iran-Iraq-Syria. On black, this is unlikely to pass. Where will the goal be? Around all NATO countries (well, except for Georgia-Georgia). Shooting through their territory without consenting to them is a provocation, fraught with not only political complications. Permits are unlikely to be given, but to shoot them down when flying through your territory is easy. so I think that these ships will carry the Kalibr anti-ship missiles with a range of 4 hundred kilometers. And it is difficult to say how they will behave in a serious storm. After all, they are of the "river-sea" class, designed to work where there are scanty depths, in fact, flat-bottomed ...

    Quote: Dart2027
    And not a third? Conventional boats are the fourth, and missile boats, in my opinion, are no longer there.

    I apologize. Small missile ships - ships of the third rank. And missile boats - the fourth. Although it is not clear why they will be part of 295th Sulino Missile Boat Division 41st missile boat brigade, while other small missile ships are part of 166th Novorossiysk division of small missile ships 41st rocket boat brigade
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 16 November 2015 20: 52
      +2
      Well, of course, people overdo it with a joyful screech, but in my opinion you are also wrong. MRK is the development of the concept of missile boats - a rank 3 ship, which, in essence, carries both PKR and strategic weapons. In fact, it is a rocket carrier. All . This is not a ravine ship at all - for this there are 22160 corvettes, which are also built by Zelenodolsk. The MRK has one task - to launch as many missiles as possible while in the air defense zone of other ships or the coast. All that is needed from him is to ensure the density of the volley cr. He is just a carrier - releases ammunition, and then tries to survive. After the ammunition is fired, its participation in the database is unlikely. Of course, there was no military need to shoot from the Caspian - it was cheaper to use aviation. The goal is to show that we can bombard their fleet bases in Naples and Bahrain, all of Israel from a protected reservoir, which is not accessible at all, and, if necessary, completely block oil production and oil transportation through the Persian Gulf. Well, at the same time, they showed Qatar and the Saudis that they are not invulnerable to us and that we do not need to transfer forces to strike at them - we will get them from our territory or from our shores. So everything in my opinion has been done competently.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 16 November 2015 22: 46
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      so I think that these ships will carry the Kalibr anti-ship missiles with a range of 4 hundred kilometers. And it's hard to say how they will behave in a serious storm. After all, they are of the "river-sea" class, designed to work where there are scanty depths, in fact, flat-bottomed ...
      Volodya, hello!
      A couple of words.
      1. On the ship there will be those missiles that correspond to the tasks set, because UKNC 3Р14 can also receive 3М-54, and of course 3М-14.
      2. Seaworthiness 5-6 points. But if necessary, they will bully and will somersault with 7 points.
      3. For maintaining databases on rivers, we have MAKs (small art boats). But if necessary, then where more than 3,0m (draft-2,6m) Buyan could pass and launch the KR. Apparently for this, water cannons and set.
      Yours faithfully, hi
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 16 November 2015 23: 31
        +2
        Good evening, Boa! Yes, seaworthiness in the technical specifications is indicated separately for the use of weapons and for the safety of navigation. Buyan-M will have somewhere up to 6 points in safety of swimming, but in the use of weapons ...
        Somehow in the late 80s I was able to evaluate the seaworthiness of RTOs in my own skin. Not Buyan, of course. Project 1234.1 (5 points on the passport). Came out of Liepaja Navy, in the group Lightning and Rainbow. And in the strait zone near Sweden we got into a storm, just five-point. I will not describe all the joys, but I can say for sure that on such a wave the ship was absolutely not combat ready. At first, all planned activities were canceled, and then they did not know at all how to return to the base. One engine was covered, it broke the radio mast, half the crew after a couple of days was already incapacitated ... The stress was such that after an hour they could not moor. A wooden beam on the pier in chips, a little bent board. My personal opinion, for ships of such a displacement of 3-4 points, this is optimal. Next is the problem.
  19. Old26
    Old26 16 November 2015 21: 18
    +1
    Quote: g1v2
    but in my opinion you are wrong too. MRK is the development of the concept of missile boats - a rank 3 ship, which, in essence, carries both PKR and strategic weapons. In fact, it is a rocket carrier. All . This is not a ship ovr - for this there are 22160 corvettes

    I do not insist that my opinion is the ultimate truth. Moreover, the further development of MRC and RCA gradually leads to the blurring of the line between them and they become, as it were, one class. I also agree with the 22160 corvettes. But then the Buyan-M project is generally not clear how to position it. "Buyan" was developed as a small artillery ship for operations on rivers and the Caspian, possibly in the coastal zones of the Azov and Black seas. Then "Buyan-M" is generally not clear what. Only 8 launchers, no air defense and anti-aircraft weapons. This is not the first time in our country when, in addition to the generally accepted classes of ships in world shipbuilding - a destroyer, a frigate (patrol ship), a corvette (an ASW patrol ship), we also introduced our own classification - BOD, in particular.
    I have an opinion, I do not know if it is correct or not), but the placement of the "Caliber" in the "ship-land" variant is out of desperation. We did not have a weapon capable of striking at such a distance. Unlike the United States, we are only now concerned with creating carriers for such missiles. Here, "under the arm" and came across a ship that can be made quickly (our frigates are still hanging). It is the same with the boat 636. Two upper vehicles and 4 missiles of the CALIBR type, although logically it was necessary to build boats of the Amur type or at least deeply modernize the 636s by installing vertical launch launchers on them. Then the boat would receive at least 10-12 missiles in vertical launchers spitting 2-4 launched through the TA. That would be power. And "Buyan-M", alas, looks like a necessary measure, out of despair
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 16 November 2015 21: 48
      +1
      Other ships — primarily the semi-frigates 20380 and 20385 — should provide air defense and ploy. Buyan-m is one of those asymmetric answers that GDP has always talked about. In any case, we have neither money, nor resources, nor time to go the traditional way and set up dozens of destroyers, cruisers and aircraft carriers. So the traditional way is not for us. Yes and no, we currently have such tasks. The United States has a different situation. They produce 23 percent of global GDP, but consume about 40 percent — that is, the United States, like Great Britain, is extremely import-dependent countries and the control of international sea trade is the basis of everything for them. Our fleet has task number 1 - protecting our shores, and they are trying to solve it with budgetary funds. For the coming years, this is a bunch of corps corps 22160 for patrolling, semi-frigates 20380 and 20385 for defense and MRC Buyan-m (for the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian) and 22800 for the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet. This is a task for the next 5-10 years. The meat of the fleet of the far sea zone is frigates 22350 (Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet) and 11356 (only for the Black Sea Fleet). Time will tell how successful this will all be, but the Buyan-m overgrowing missile boats that shoot at 2600 km have already made a proper impression on the likely enemy. And their main advantage is cheapness and quick construction, as well as with Warsaw. Yes, and the ability to shoot from any large reservoir within the country where mattresses will not be able to detect them before the ammunition is shot. In my opinion, something like this.
  20. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 16 November 2015 21: 23
    -4
    The news of the "restructuring" of the Ukrainian debt - a sickle for "Faberge". The same news sweetened the aforementioned Putin pill at least a little.
    It seems that in Turkey he was pressed tightly. Yes ... Politics is a tricky business. Kutuzov also retreated, but ... won. Think it over, men.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 17 November 2015 06: 13
      +1
      The Star betrayed his speech. Guaranteed by the United States or other financial institutions.
  21. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 17 November 2015 06: 14
    0
    Now they also transferred, the Raptor will receive the Navy in November.
  22. Old26
    Old26 17 November 2015 08: 23
    0
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    A few words. 1. On the ship there will be those missiles that meet the assigned tasks, because UKSK 3R14 can take 3M-54, and of course 3M-14.2. Seaworthiness 5-6 points. But if necessary, they will bully and will somersault at 7 points. 3. For maintaining a database on rivers, we have MAKs (small art boats). But if necessary, then where more than 3,0 m (draft-2,6 m) Buyan could pass and launch the launch vehicle. Apparently for this, water cannons and set.

    Hello, Alexander!
    Quite right, I completely agree with paragraph 1. There will be those that are needed. But they will only need 3M14 in the Black Sea? I mentioned above about the shooting by them from the Black Sea in peacetime. Therefore, IMHO only anti-ship.
    Under item 2 - partially agree, because as comrade rudolff wrote - seaworthiness in terms of safety of navigation and armament does not match.
    According to p. 3 - yes, they can go to the right place along the inland waterways, but such a place, in principle, is the same - the Caspian. For the use of 3M14 requires land, there was already an agreement with Iran-Iraq, there will be more. THROUGH all the rest in a peace period - unrealistic ...
  23. Termit1309
    Termit1309 17 November 2015 11: 10
    0
    Quote: Old26
    . Where will it be? Around all NATO countries (well, except Georgia-Georgia). Shooting through their territory without their consent is a provocation, fraught not only with political complications. Permits are unlikely to be given, but knocking them down when flying through their territory is easy.

    This is if you shoot at the objects of the igil. And if ... well, hypothetically, because until 2008 no one would have thought .... And if you have to shoot again, or in another country that also does not like us very much.
    Yes, and NATO countries today will not give permission, and tomorrow? Maybe they will even beg?
    It’s a bit confusing, but you just can’t blame the ship just because it is not suitable for any purpose now. The goals can and will change. AND ; Admirals far in the Mediterranean, and then what?