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The Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development are proposing to deprive settlements with strategically important objects of ZATO status

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October 23 launched the so-called public discussion of the initiative of the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation concerning the abolition of the status of closed administrative-territorial entities (CATF) for six cities and towns of the Russian Federation. We are talking about the proposal of the Ministry of Economic Development to liquidate the status of the closed regional closed-trade centers for such settlements as Seversk (Tomsk region), Zarechny (Penza region), Novouralsk (Sverdlovsk region), Zelenogorsk (Krasnoyarsk region), Star (Perm region) and Lokomotivny (Chelyabinsk region).


For your information:

Zelenogorsk forms an urban district with a population of over 63 thousand people. One of the city-forming enterprises is “Production Association“ Electrochemical Plant ”- an enterprise of the nuclear industry of the Russian Federation.

Seversk - the largest closed city in Russia. The population is about 108 thousand people. The town-forming enterprise, JSC Siberian Chemical Combine, is an enterprise of the atomic industry of the Russian Federation with a staff of about 5 thousand people.

The Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development are proposing to deprive settlements with strategically important objects of ZATO status


Zarechny - a city with a population of about 64 thousand inhabitants. One of the largest enterprises in the city is the Rosatom object of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise Federal Scientific-Practical Training Center “PO“ Start ”. M. V. Protsenko.

Novouralsk - The administrative center of the city district of the same name with a population of about 82,5 thousand inhabitants. The city-forming enterprise is JSC UEKhK (Ural Electrochemical Plant) with more than 2,5 employees thousand people. The enterprise is an integral part of the TVEL company of the Rosatom State Corporation. The operating profit of the enterprise is estimated at 20 billion rubles.

Star (urban-type settlement, the former name ZATO - Perm-76). The population exceeds 9 thousand people. At the beginning of the 60-x in Perm-76 was created 52-I missile Tarnopol-Berlin missile division. In 2002, the division was disbanded, and in its place it was decided to create an 1328 base for storing and reloading elements of the BZHRK. In 2007, the 1328-I base was disbanded. More than 90% of land in the town of Star is owned by the Ministry of Defense. Now the main defense department is discussing the possibility of returning to the variant of active exploitation of combat railroad missile systems.

Locomotive (urban-type settlement, the former name ZATO - Sunny). The number of inhabitants is about 8,5 thousand people. Locomotive is the location of the 59 th (Kartalinsk) missile division until its disbandment in the 2005 year. The largest land area in Lokomotivny is the property of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

According to the official website of the Ministry of Economic Development, headed by Doctor of Economic Sciences, Honored Economist of Russia Alexei V. Ulyukayev, responsible for the development of regulatory documents on the deprivation of listed settlements of ZATO status is answered by an employee of the Ministry Ekaterina Marchenko. It should be specially emphasized that the website of the Ministry of Economic Development presents documents as projects, no less than presidential decrees, which are created with the aim of (attention!) “Optimizing budget expenditures”.

At this page The website of the Ministry of Economic Development can be thoroughly acquainted with the projects of Ms. Marchenko and Mr. Ulyukayev, under which, interestingly, the name of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin is typed. To search for documents in the query string, just enter the phrase "closed administrative-territorial units". Even more interesting is that the project, as it were, was on “public discussion” for two weeks, and the president’s name at that time already appeared in it than in the Ministry of Economic Development seemed to hint that, in principle, the question of depriving ZATO status of six localities, most of which are of strategic importance for the country's defense and energy security, the ministry has already decided ...

From the explanatory note to one of the projects (the text is given in its entirety, since, as they say, there are many ... very many interesting things):

In accordance with the instructions of the Government of the Russian Federation
from 15 August 2015 g. № DM-ПХNUMX-13 and from 5591 August 19 g. № ДК-П2015-16
In order to optimize budget expenditures and the number of closed administrative-territorial formations (CATF), the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia was tasked to work out the proposal of the Ministry of Finance to abolish the Star Territory of the Perm Territory and Closed Region of the Chelyabinsk Region.

As part of the execution of the 1 clause, instructions of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 21 of August 2015, No. DK-П16-5741, the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia, Roskosmos and the State Atomic Energy Corporation ROSATOM reported that there were no proposals to abolish (transform) Closed Joint-Stock Company due to the absence (termination of ) located in them organizations and (or) objects for which in order to ensure the defense of the country and the security of the state, a special regime of safe operation and protection of state secrets is established.

At the same time, in accordance with the information provided by the Ministry of Finance of Russia, as a result of the Ministry of Regional Development of Russia carried out an analysis of actual (planned for 2012-2012) works (services) carried out by the Ministry of Finance of Russia in order to ensure the state and security of the state in the territories subordinated to CATF execution of the order of the Government of the Russian Federation of 2017 on April 25, No. DK-ПХNUMX-2012пр) it was concluded that the following may be abolished:
- Star Perm region and Lokomotivny Chelyabinsk region, subordinate to the Ministry of Defense of Russia,
- Novouralsk of the Sverdlovsk Region, Zelenogorsk of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Seversk of the Tomsk Region and Zarechny of the Penza Region, subordinate to the State Corporation Rosatom.

Considering the above, pursuant to instructions of the Government of the Russian Federation dated 15 August 2015, No. DM-П13-5591 and dated 21, August 2015, No. ДК-П16-5741 and in accordance with the Law of the Russian Federation dated 14, July 1992, № 3297 -1 “On Closed Administrative-Territorial Education” of the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia prepared a draft decree of the President of the Russian Federation “On the abolition of a closed administrative-territorial entity - the city of Zarechny, Penza Region”, according to which 1 was abolished FOR January About Zarechny.


So, from the explanatory note, it becomes clear that the instigator of the “draft presidential decree” is Mr. Siluanov and the department under his control - the Ministry of Finance. Mr. Siluanov, in his turn, attended to the issues of optimizing budget expenditures and the all-time need to deprive six (for the time being) localities of ZATO status at the request of other helmsmen of the government. From the same note, we can conclude that if the Ministry of Defense and Rosatom on Star and Lokomotiv village did not come up with proposals (as if in departments with “optimization” they agreed), then according to Zarechny, Seversk and other ZATO questions and proposals, judging by , there were, but who paid attention to them ... They decided to deprive ZATO status from just one shop like those settlements where secret objects managed, forgive my God, earlier “optimize”, and settlements where regime objects not just continue to work, but also bring substantial amounts We are in the budget, as well as in the chain of strategic enterprises.

Oh, by the way ... And here link on one of those documents of the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Finance, which, as it were, unobtrusively suggests the President of the Russian Federation to put his signature under it.

From the document:

(...) decree:
1. To abolish from 1 in January of 2016, a closed administrative territorial entity is the city of Zarechny, Penza Region.
2. Government of the Russian Federation jointly
With the Government of the Penza Region, in the 9 month period, carry out the necessary organizational measures related to the abolition of the closed administrative-territorial unit - the city of Zarechny, the Penza Region. (...)
President of the Russian Federation V.Putin


That is, the project began to be “discussed” at the end of October, the “public discussion” of 6 was completed in November, and with 1 in January of 2016, the document should already come into force. This is the pace! With such a pace, our gallant doctors of economics, laureates of various prizes and state award holders settled in the government resolved questions about the economy going into steady growth without cuts, layoffs, optimizations, proposals for raising the retirement age. But, apparently, the optimization virus in the organisms of our current government officials managed to develop to such a level that the proposals become, excuse me, more and more unlimited.

What is the adequacy of the proposal to deprive cities with large enterprises in the nuclear industry sphere of a closed status (by the way, the majority of residents of these cities, to put it mildly, are perplexed about the government initiative)? In that, with the protection of cities in which the nuclear shield of the state is being forged, it is necessary to do away against the background of increasing terrorist threat throughout the world? The fact that without creating a full-fledged program of economic development of these cities is proposed to deprive them of state protection and support?

If the government does not notice the whole threat of its project, then the question arises to the level of professional training of people who, as they say, are at the helm. If they notice, and therefore such projects are being introduced, then this is already a special conversation, and special organs should conduct it ... And special organs clearly may have questions to the authors of the “terrific” idea of ​​depriving cities with large strategic sites of ZATO status with all the consequences for the country's state security implications.

Information for thought:
The Russian government is going to save on the deprivation of 6 settlements of the status of the closed city of about 2,5 billion rubles at the initial stage. And, for example, an estimate of the level of damage from a terrorist act in Paris, according to preliminary estimates, amounted to more than 200 million euros (translated into rubles - about 14 billion) ...

The damage from the Chernobyl accident (the Chernobyl nuclear power plant) in 1986 amounted to an enormous amount of 18 billion dollars (this figure was called M. Gorbachev in an interview with Western media). And who - Ulyukaev or Siluanov - today are able to guarantee that after depriving ZATO of the same Seversk or Zarechny with simultaneous access to the cities of "tourists" and "investors" the 1986 tragedy will not be very strange along the whole chain of preceding factors? Or is the possibility of saving 2,5 billion rubles for adherents of ultraliberal (and no less radical) approaches to solving economic problems more important than the state security system? A lot of questions ... A lot ...

PS All the projects of the Ministry of Economic Development, which were discussed in the material, became the owners of a negative rating on the department's website. But will this prevent the pushing of a frankly dubious idea ...

In addition to the material, the plot of Konstantin Semin is proposed in the program "Agitprop" (VGTRK). On the subject of the article - a video from 7: 35:

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  1. Sergey333
    Sergey333 17 November 2015 05: 40 New
    60
    The usual machinations of liberastov. Under the guise of saving and optimizing dragging laws that lead to the collapse of a very important branch of Russia. am
    1. Bath
      Bath 17 November 2015 05: 50 New
      31
      I agree completely optimize a very specific part of our defense industry.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 17 November 2015 06: 35 New
        38
        If the government does not notice the entire threat of its project, the question arises of the level of professional training of people who, as they say, are at the helm. If you notice, but because such projects and contribute, then this is a special conversation, and special bodies should lead it ...
        - from the article Volodin Alexey


        Individuals from the Government of the Russian Federation should long ago be dealt with by "special bodies".
        The Government makes decisions in which not only harm, but also a direct betrayal of the interests of Russia's defense capabilities.
        The ears of betrayal stick out of these bills.
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        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 17 November 2015 09: 32 New
          +8
          From the text of the article
          But, apparently, the optimization virus in the bodies of our current government officials has managed to develop to such a level that the proposals become, excuse me, more and more limitless.
          In fact, such “optimizations” in the Russian government indicate that in Russia almost everything that was not under the ban has already been sold and stolen. And banned too! Let us recall the ex-Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation “Buy! - Sell! " Serdyukov - "stool"!
          And who will be responsible for the damaging losses? and what? when? and how much?
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 17 November 2015 11: 06 New
            +3
            Ulyulyukaev, Snihuanov - AMBASSADOR (R) ANTSA, WALKERS!
            SMERSH !!!
          2. samoletil18
            samoletil18 17 November 2015 14: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: Tatiana
            already sold out and stolen

            NOT ALL. But the presence of hazardous facilities, hazardous materials and the prevailing special way of life in these cities requires the preservation of their status. The savings are penny, and if the baboons blast off, having the opportunity to settle there without hindrance, then it will not seem even to the Ministry of Finance.
            1. en 45
              en 45 17 November 2015 18: 59 New
              +4
              a colleague from ZATO Snezhinsk told me that if a person went to places not so distant he wouldn’t return anymore, so their crime situation was minimized. they didn’t even close cars in the criminal 90s, because there was no one to steal.
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        4. Kostyar
          Kostyar 17 November 2015 10: 13 New
          +9
          To arrange a demonstration execution at least once, with the shooting of officials-traitors, officials-lawless people, all those who seized power before the authorities, in order to fill their guts by any means ..... !!!
        5. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 17 November 2015 11: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Individuals from the Government of the Russian Federation should long ago be dealt with by "special bodies".
          [/B]

          A mono question? And to whom are special organs subordinate? Martians? Toko honestly.
      2. i80186
        i80186 17 November 2015 08: 32 New
        -7
        Quote: Sergey333
        The usual machinations of liberastov. Under the guise of saving and optimizing dragging laws that lead to the collapse of a very important branch of Russia.

        Quote: Bath
        I agree completely optimize a very specific part of our defense industry.

        Have you heard anything about the BN-1200, about BREST, about the substation fuel cycle? Perhaps the BN-800 is behaving superbly, and somewhere it has already begun or will soon begin to build it all. So these enterprises did not need steel. Of course, people are not particularly envious, but what can you do. And yes, I completely forgot, they should have brought BN-800 to 35% of the rated power on November 10.
        1. extremall
          extremall 17 November 2015 14: 25 New
          +1
          What exactly exactly should you have been?))) At least in general terms, what are you talking about? I doubt it very much. So don’t sit in front of a laptop with a stopwatch. In such a case, it is better to double-check everything if there is even the slightest doubt about the readiness for complete safety of the process. What a manner of commenting on events about which there is not even a superficial representation ..
        2. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 17 November 2015 16: 58 New
          +1
          Well, I looked at the wiki. It seems that only at the Beloyarsk NPP one reactor was launched. They plan to re-equip it by 2030. BN 800 up to 35% of capacity at one NPP. And then what? The rest will be closed, people will be resettled, we will wait for a "bright future", but with a torch.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 17 November 2015 19: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            Well, I looked into the wiki.
            laughing laughing laughing
            ask the grandmothers on the mound, ask ...!
            wassat found an authority- "vika" ... wassat
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      3. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 17 November 2015 11: 24 New
        +6
        Quote: Bath
        I agree completely optimize a very specific part of our defense industry.

        Already optimized. The engines for the boats for the FSB are Chinese.
        1. My address
          My address 17 November 2015 12: 12 New
          +3
          Dear Oleg! hi
          Sorry to join you. The reason is in the picture and looks.

          I have repeatedly met with such things in production. Young appointees often have itching in one place - the passion is how you want to get yours. And there is no experience. And there is no one nearby who will ask: "Have you thought about how it could end in the worst case? Maybe you should kick right now, between your legs in the face, but then you won't invent stupid things? So you don't think that before you were completely stupid here." ... This is hardly sabotage. This is an example of bad work that is worse than stealing.

          Regarding many in the government there is a wonderful joke:
          The US National Security Agency admitted that for many years D. Medvedev had been tapping telephone conversations. Moreover, it was admitted that the meaning of the phrases eluded analysts of the NSA.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 17 November 2015 05: 52 New
      23
      I heard about it ... You must not allow it. The "benefit" of this will be the same as, for example, selling Iskanders in the USA, or releasing Khoroshavin from prison (there is, however, more moral harm to society), and this topic is similar to "globalization-innovation" Kudrin-Chubais.
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 17 November 2015 06: 11 New
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        Quote: mirag2
        this topic is similar to the "globalization-innovation" of Kudrin-Chubais.


        - They brought up a worthy replacement for themselves. Everything is in the spirit of the times. "Optimize", steal, destroy, break what worked properly before you - and no one will be responsible for anything. This is the property of democracy.
    3. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 17 November 2015 06: 25 New
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      Quote: Sergey333
      The usual machinations of liberals.


      “These laws are not proposed and adopted by aliens. Not some underground bloodthirsty devils, under the name of "liberals". This is the fruit of the creativity of Russian government officials. The very people who should do their best to help strengthen the state, and through the state - to satisfy the interests of the entire nation. With such "projects", who can now say what is more dangerous for the country and for you and me - the notorious "fifth column", all the strength of which is enough only to spray poisonous saliva in the small airwaves of provincial radio stations, or officials, people, who make decisions that directly affect the life and fate of the country? This is not childish pathos - with one signature under the printed "bill" officials have killed as many people as no "classic" murderer could ever have. The reduction in the number of doctors is only worth it. And there are many other examples.
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 17 November 2015 07: 27 New
        +9
        If the government does not notice the entire threat of its project, then the question arises about the level of professional training of people who, as they say, are at the helm.
        The level of training is very high ... as saboteurs!
        What do they want to save?
        As a former resident of the city of Zalenogorsk, when I was Krasnoyarsk-45, I can say: once an intellectual city was turned into a swamp. It is still clean, but finding a job is a huge problem. I won’t tell everyone, because I’m visiting there, but I’m impressed such that the population level dropped significantly. More often I began to see drunks and individuals of a homeless kind ...
        About the city-forming enterprise, they cut it to the minimum impossibility. In addition, there was a chemical fiber plant, rather large, now it is a monument, for which everything is in order with the ecology. sad
        1. Mechanic
          Mechanic 17 November 2015 09: 17 New
          +9
          I agree with you completely. I myself am not a resident of ZATO, but I often visited ZATO "Zvezdny (Perm-76) both in Soviet times, and in the 90s, and in the XNUMXs. I had to observe the degradation of the town from a highly cultural military (due to the specifics of the officers (most of them are senior) with a higher engineering education) to an ordinary settlement with its constant problems.On the satellite maps of the GUGL you can see the entire infrastructure of the closed city, including the railway point in its structures. The destruction of the existing base and the creation (and it required, correctly noted) a new similar base is not an optimization of the economy and not a strengthening of the country's security.
          1. komendant 64
            komendant 64 17 November 2015 12: 00 New
            +5
            I will not say anything about the ZATOs of the Ministry of Defense, but with regard to other ZATOs and VGOs (important state facilities) protected by the Internal Troops, it must be admitted that the number of such facilities has decreased significantly in recent years! This economy is exaggerated and fictitious. The military guards are leaving, and in return - private security companies and Atomokhrana. And what will the duty shift of grandmothers - retirees do on guard for the protection of a nuclear - hazardous facility ?! However, the savings are evident. Do you think the old women are guarding Siluanov's dacha too? I don’t know how it is now, but five years ago, only ensigns - retirees from the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, were hired to guard the ministry’s dachas.
            And by the way, the same Americans attach very great importance to the protection of nuclear facilities. Until recently, the "partners" even trained our specialists in the physical protection of nuclear weapons in Albuquerque.
          2. Turkir
            Turkir 17 November 2015 15: 14 New
            0
            it is not an optimization of the economy or strengthening the country's security.

            Totally agree with you.
            This is a decrease in the country's security.
            At least someone voted against these actions in government?
    4. rom8726
      rom8726 17 November 2015 07: 24 New
      +7
      and the president with them?
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 17 November 2015 07: 48 New
        +8
        Yes, it's just real wrecking. How can one destroy with a stroke of the pen what our generation created with blood and sweat, depriving ourselves and our children of the most necessary. Strongly disagree with such government plans.
        1. i80186
          i80186 17 November 2015 12: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Dembel 77
          Yes, it's just real wrecking. How can one destroy with a stroke of the pen what our generation created with blood and sweat, depriving ourselves and our children of the most necessary. Strongly disagree with such government plans.

      2. Mechanic
        Mechanic 17 November 2015 08: 56 New
        +2
        It turns out that yes.
    5. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 17 November 2015 09: 15 New
      10
      I propose that the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development deprive the status of ministries, giving them the status of NGOs and foreign agents.
    6. Mechanic
      Mechanic 17 November 2015 10: 06 New
      0
      These are not liberals, but "prodigies" from the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development. On military review, they have already been discussed.
    7. Down House
      Down House 17 November 2015 10: 49 New
      -4
      Quote: Sergey333
      The usual machinations of liberastov. Under the guise of saving and optimizing dragging laws that lead to the collapse of a very important branch of Russia.

      No need to look for a black cat in a black room - especially when she is not there.
      Seversk is the largest closed city in Russia. The population is about 108 thousand people. The city-forming enterprise - Siberian Chemical Combine JSC - is the enterprise of the nuclear industry of the Russian Federation with the number of employees about 5 thousand people.

      5000 in total work at the "secret object" - the rest of the devils do what they do and go round and round for days!
      And then, the cities were initially closed to fight spies - how do you intend to fight them with a barrier in the 21st century at the entrance to the Internet age and daily population migration ?!
      The damage from the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (Chernobyl nuclear power plant) in 1986 amounted to a whopping $ 18 billion.

      And what does this have to do with it ?!
      For a long time now, nuclear power plants have been operating in OPEN cities, security is only along the perimeter of the NPP territory - or does Aleksey Volodin think that the fence is not enough and that terrorists will fire "atomic objects" from mortars?
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 17 November 2015 12: 20 New
        -3
        I support. There is nothing particularly dangerous in the open closed cities. At the enterprise of Novouralsk or Seversky no atomic reactions are carried out. Any nuclear power plant is significantly more dangerous. Getting into the same Novouralsk is very simple. The hole in the fence is full, and buying a pass is not a problem.
    8. dr. sem
      dr. sem 17 November 2015 11: 03 New
      +1
      Not only "to collapse", but to the elimination of the last line of defense of Russia ...
    9. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 17 November 2015 14: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Sergey333
      The usual machinations of liberastov. Under the guise of saving and optimizing dragging laws that lead to the collapse of a very important branch of Russia. am

      But who put these liberals in these places that they occupy?
    10. ava09
      ava09 17 November 2015 14: 32 New
      +2
      (C) But will this prevent the pushing of an openly dubious idea ...

      The "idea" is not at all dubious, it is outright HARMFUL, with the aim of weakening the sovereignty of Russia. In this case, you need to talk about Treason and prove it in court ...
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 17 November 2015 05: 48 New
    +9
    If the government does not notice the entire threat of its project, then the question arises about the level of professional training of people who, as they say, are at the helm.


    As Medvedev spoke out about the elimination of single-industry towns in RUSSIA, this is from the same opera ... it looks like his servants decided to put it into practice.
    I do not believe that the main guarantor of the constitution does not know this and what will happen to the citizens left to their own devices in these settlements will not be difficult to imagine.

    In this regard, it is somehow strange to hear calls by the authorities for the development of the lands of SIBERIA and the FAR EAST.
  3. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 17 November 2015 05: 50 New
    +2
    Is this really going to happen?
    1. PN
      PN 17 November 2015 06: 37 New
      +7
      Don't even bother. Severodvinsk at one time also had the status of ZATO. Now this is a zone with a limited stay of foreign citizens.
  4. Denis DV
    Denis DV 17 November 2015 05: 50 New
    11
    Is the Ministry of Economic Development preparing privatization 2.0? Undisguised rat-dog am
    1. Goga101
      Goga101 17 November 2015 06: 15 New
      13
      Denis DV - worse than privatization - this is a direct betrayal - to remove protection from nuclear facilities. Who after this can say that this is just stupid? This is just cheating ... negative
      1. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 17 November 2015 10: 51 New
        +3
        From the enemies of the people another is not expected.
      2. marlin1203
        marlin1203 17 November 2015 10: 51 New
        0
        And who said that they are removing security from nuclear facilities? Nothing is written about this in the article. It is possible in more detail. Cheto, I got worried ...
  5. papont64
    papont64 17 November 2015 05: 54 New
    +4
    It is impossible to expose the most important centers of defense infrastructure for universal access. This may later bitterly hiccup ...
  6. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 17 November 2015 05: 55 New
    +5
    Sou-ki on matches save while drinking vodka.
  7. sa-zz
    sa-zz 17 November 2015 06: 03 New
    +8
    This is the pace! At such a pace, our valiant doctors of economics, laureates of all kinds of prizes and state awards, who have settled in the government, have decided to put the economy into steady growth without cuts, layoffs, optimizations, offers to raise the retirement age


    The Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade have their own interests and tasks - to save money. ZATO is not their competence. I do not live in the ZATO listed, but I am totally against it. On the "wave of savings" - strategic interests and security = a mess in which then it will be necessary to invest even more.
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 17 November 2015 06: 12 New
    +4
    Russia has "few" external enemies, so also inside the country the liber / a / s / you strive to weaken the country as quickly as possible. fool
  9. horoh
    horoh 17 November 2015 06: 18 New
    17
    Such an impression, the Ministry of Economic Development is openly disruptive in its own country. As they say, the masks are reset. We are waiting for the reaction of the president.
    1. KVS
      KVS 17 November 2015 06: 37 New
      +9
      why wait for the president’s reaction?
      President, Duma - these are selected people by the people who should work for the benefit of the population of this country !!!
      until we ourselves say that we are tired of looking at this bacchanalia from the side of individual citizens who have climbed into power, there will be a mess in the country to be repaired !!!
      At the same time, send a petition by collecting at least 50 signatures demanding that all the Ulyukaevs, Nabiulins and others undermining the country's economy and security are held accountable ...
    2. rom8726
      rom8726 17 November 2015 07: 27 New
      +5
      under which the name of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin is already printed, which is interesting

      what else are you waiting for?
    3. Belousov
      Belousov 17 November 2015 08: 51 New
      +2
      And the president has repeatedly said that the government completely suits him. So draw conclusions ...
    4. dr. sem
      dr. sem 17 November 2015 11: 14 New
      0
      The reaction of GDP is unlikely to be harsh ... The system is built, and breaking it is risky for the formed elite ....
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 17 November 2015 06: 24 New
    +7
    When they don’t know .. how to make money, they begin to introduce a "austerity" regime ... to steal more ..
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 17 November 2015 07: 49 New
      10
      When they don’t know how to honestly earn money, they begin to shift the money issue onto the shoulders of the population. The introduction of tolls on automobile roads over 12 tons, toll roads, unreasonable increase in insurance fees, an increase in housing and communal services tariffs, an increase in prices for electricity and energy carriers ... Moreover, this planned growth (!), And not justified by the influence of factors, they just wanted. And if you didn’t pay, we will evict you from your apartment for the debts. you practically have no right to choose a service provider.
      Here Lesin died, died in the USA ... And they buried in their native land? Los Angeles, apparently, dearer. What kind of development and investing in Russia can we talk about when the whole family is abroad? Yes, the main task of such ministers is to drive to the maximum and hit the road faster. Two-thirds of the current government are. You can somehow look beautiful in foreign policy, but I want to ask, is there a real plan for import substitution? And where is he? And how many large enterprises commissioned? Is there a plan for the development of industrial production? Agricultural development or support plan? What about the development plan for education and science? Or just transfer everything to paid rails? A large number of questions, but we will not receive answers, for sure in the near future.
      1. edmed
        edmed 17 November 2015 08: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Andrey NM
        Is there a plan for the development of industrial production? Agricultural development or support plan? What about the development plan for education and science? Or just transfer everything to paid rails?

        There is a plan, even two plans - 1) "Everything for sale", 2) "After us, even a deluge"
  11. Nitarius
    Nitarius 17 November 2015 06: 33 New
    +6
    The entire Ministry of Finance and Minekonom - send away .... THIS IS NOT THEIR MOTHER!
    At the same SEVERSK - THERE IS SUCH AS ROSATOM! These cities are not just like that!
    To put on the wall for such a LITTLE .. and at least a boot in the face to give!
  12. Military Builder
    Military Builder 17 November 2015 06: 49 New
    +5
    There is no Taburetkin, but his work lives on.
  13. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 17 November 2015 06: 59 New
    23
    But Mr. Ulyukaev and Siluanova have no desire to work out the issue of removing protection from the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development, well, at the same time from the Government House, in order to save budget funds? So what? The guard is tired.
  14. shimus
    shimus 17 November 2015 07: 03 New
    10
    ATTENTION OF SPECIAL SERVICES !!! I propose to thoroughly check the biography, communications and personal contacts of the initiators of this project !!!
    It smacks of diversion !!!
    ZATO status will be removed, therefore, protection will also be removed, and this is already undermining the strategic potential of the country!
    1. Sorokin
      Sorokin 17 November 2015 09: 19 New
      0
      What kind of protection are we talking about? In Zvezdnoye, it’s been quite a while already. At hydropon sites, they’re bred.
  15. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 17 November 2015 07: 25 New
    +4
    Leave it alone .. yourself from

    Zheleznogorsk ..
  16. sledge
    sledge 17 November 2015 07: 36 New
    +7
    Quote: Sergey333
    The usual machinations of liberastov. Under the guise of saving and optimizing dragging laws that lead to the collapse of a very important branch of Russia. am

    This is not just the machinations of the liberals - these are the machinations of the ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE !!!
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 17 November 2015 07: 42 New
      +7
      I agree! But is it time to thin out the ranks of our legalists?
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 November 2015 07: 39 New
    +8
    Is it necessary to put an end to the protection of cities where the state’s nuclear shield is forged against the backdrop of an increase in the terrorist threat around the world?

    Well, of course, protection will not be over, but a more free entry into such cities is not desirable.
    Siluanov, in turn, preoccupied with issues of optimizing budget expenditures

    The same ministers constantly light up, and when introducing not popular or, frankly speaking, harmful measures. And this gives reason to think. The feeling is that the government consciously and systematically prepares society for a social explosion. And, since this is beneficial only to those who long for a change of power in Russia, then with whom is the government?
  18. SERGEII
    SERGEII 17 November 2015 07: 43 New
    +3
    Blah blah blah ... Again the boyars are bad.
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 17 November 2015 11: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: SERGEII
      Blah blah blah ... Again the boyars are bad.

      Not a. Plebs is good, patient. (Ironic0
  19. Vityok
    Vityok 17 November 2015 07: 55 New
    +5
    The Ministry of Economic Development and Trade has long been renamed into the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade. This is excellent. Everything that can and cannot be destroyed. And I don't see any development. request And what else can you expect from the last of the "great" reformers Gaidar, Chubais ...
  20. 31rus
    31rus 17 November 2015 08: 03 New
    +5
    Dear, this is already "working", the scandal with Norofominsk-11, Ust-Kamensk, this is just heard !! Whole cities are literally abandoned, no roads do not belong to one structure (Norofominsk-11, neither Moscow, nor Kaluga ), in fact, people are abandoned and no one needs them. What is this? Except for collapse, what can you call
  21. EvgNik
    EvgNik 17 November 2015 08: 11 New
    +5
    Ministry of Economic Development ... Enemies of the people and the state! And treat them like enemies! To the wall ... oh yes, we can’t go to the wall, and this was taken care of. Then 10 lifelong without the right to review and amnesty. Is this really taken care of, you can only six months, followed by an amnesty after 3 days, an increase in office or a pension a few green lemons? The servants of the sovereign arranged a good life for themselves.
  22. Griboedoff
    Griboedoff 17 November 2015 08: 12 New
    -9
    I don’t understand at all the reasons why leaving cities closed. I don’t know about other cities, but I can say about Seversk (Tomsk). The article also shows the number of employees at the SCC - 5000. Well, add to each worker the 1st person serving him. Add to them three dependents. It turns out 40000 people really tied to the SCC. Actually this figure is much less - 20 thousand out of 108! That is, all the rest are tied to work in Tomsk and to non-regime enterprises. Half of the working population works in Tomsk and travels there every day.
    The perimeter of the city is huge and its protection in forest areas is a pure formality. There is no problem penetrating, skillfully. Writing out an official pass is even easier than getting through. How much use against such protection?
    At the same time, the objects themselves have a separate guarded perimeter. Here everything is serious and of high quality. What is the point in this particular city? Which is actually another sleeping area of ​​Tomsk, and is largely integrated into his life.
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 17 November 2015 09: 00 New
      +3
      Well, I don’t know ... I'm afraid the fears are justified. An example of this is Surgut with permanent interethnic. showdowns :(
  23. Signaller
    Signaller 17 November 2015 08: 28 New
    +6
    Mo me is a direct sabotage. Take Mr. Raduzhny. In the late 90s it became an open city, the guards were removed. So they dragged everything and everyone from there. Working in the company himself, he bought equipment that was not in demand from them for the construction of the BB substation, which they no longer needed during the years of perestroika. So much needed was taken out for metal - horror. We even bought for business and officially. The city has become a beggar. In the early 20s, it became closed again - And work was found and the city began to rise. And most importantly, the secrets do not leak away, and this is the main thing. And those who want to make closed cities open cities, do not think about the Motherland, only about the grandmas. To save money is the main thing .. And the losses that will arise in the event of information leakage will be much greater than the money they consume, but this is a different department. Like - "though the grass does not grow." That's not how things are done, unambiguously.
  24. Butt
    Butt 17 November 2015 08: 33 New
    +4
    The liberal government eliminated the Russian machine-tool, instrument-making, electronics and machine-building industries by "optimizing" costs. Now they started to liquidate the nuclear industry.
    Everyone knows where the liberalists are leading the country. It is not clear where the powers that be "United Russia" and their deputies are looking and are silent. And what will the Liberal Democratic Party of the Russian Communist Party (LDPR) say in the State Duma in this case? Where are the parliamentary inquiries on closing the closed city?
    Authors in the studio!
  25. nachtRitter
    nachtRitter 17 November 2015 08: 43 New
    +4
    Rosatom does not support it precisely for security reasons.
    http://vpk.name/news/143199_rosatom_ne_podderzhivaet_ideyu_mer_rf_otkryit_s_2016
    _goda_atomnyie_zato.html
  26. afrikanez
    afrikanez 17 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    I wonder how long we will endure this liberal rule? So it’s not far from a catastrophe (all the same, this is the nuclear industry and access should be extremely limited)
  27. Belousov
    Belousov 17 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +3
    Hoping to plug a hole with 2,5 yards and delay the collapse? Or will our "dear" ministers immediately steal? Looks like education in England has risen in price, the offspring need to pay for a couple of semesters. Well, what would be enough for cars with girls too. The creatures ...
  28. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 17 November 2015 09: 03 New
    +4
    Well, everything is strictly according to Fedorov: liberalists and collaborators who seized power by all available and possible methods are trying to spoil our people and country. Confronting Putin is incredibly impressive, as is the impunity of overt pests.
    Putin, maybe he’s doing everything right, but at such a pace that the collapse is faster than creation and this is noticeable to everyone.
  29. Denis81
    Denis81 17 November 2015 09: 16 New
    +5
    I myself live in the closed town of Lesnoy Sverdl. region In 2000, when he studied at the university in Yekaterinburg, our budget, on the other hand, was 1 billion rubles. The budget of Yekaterinburg is 1 billion with a forest population of 7,8 thousand and Yekaterinburg 58 million. Then everyone was a city of Federal subordination. Within a year, initiatives quickly began to reassign all ZATOs to the regional authorities in which they, these cities are located, while maintaining budgetary security ... 1,2 is a forest budget of just over 2015 billion ... Optimizers ... Do you even understand that if bearded uncles want to blow something up, Chernobyl will seem like a fairy tale to you. Isotopes, warheads of sea-based nuclear missiles, uranium mining and enrichment - that’s what they are doing.
    1. ism_ek
      ism_ek 17 November 2015 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Denis81
      but our budget was 1, 1 billion rubles. The budget of Yekaterinburg is 7,8 billion with a forest population of 58 thousand and Yekaterinburg 1,2 million.

      He pumped money through Lesnoy Yukos. In those years, the city was a huge "tax laundry"
      1. Denis81
        Denis81 17 November 2015 13: 07 New
        +1
        da.mutnaya scheme was. that then about 30 gas stations in the Lipetsk, Oryol, Bryansk regions. but there is a difference in what- they gave somewhere 20% of budget revenues. Moscow with its subventions formed the revenue side of the budget somewhere around 60%. region - 10%. Now from Moscow -0,0. the region - 15-20% and then on the terms of co-financing. promised - to keep the interest on the revenue side. this is to whether it is worth believing the promises that everything is done so that we live better. and we simply do not understand these noble attempts because of our limitations hi
  30. Stoler
    Stoler 17 November 2015 09: 17 New
    +1
    Under Serdyukov, we have already gone through this - the State has a penny, and some have all the "relatives" and B-I in chocolate! fool
  31. the villain
    the villain 17 November 2015 09: 27 New
    +5
    This is my personal opinion, but ... IT'S TIME TO "OPTIMIZE" THE LIBERASTS am. It is high time.
    1. starwars
      starwars 17 November 2015 19: 23 New
      +2
      Liberastov is the fifth colony, it is a pity that Stalin did not completely destroy, death prevented.
  32. DenZ
    DenZ 17 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +4
    I do not think that V.V. Putin would be led by the idea of ​​optimizing ZATO. The threat of terrorism is everywhere, and we are opening the borders of cities with such production. Well, what a fool you need to be in order to guess this !!! The law (if adopted) will clearly go against the concept of national security. All the Ulyukaevs and Siluanovs there simply need to be removed from their posts for such ideas.
  33. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 17 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +3
    Somehow, this "public discussion" did not pass noticeably, I think that as a taxpayer in some right to decide whether it is worth paying from my taxes my own nuclear safety, especially against the background of recent events. Maybe someone will organize a really popular petition and collection of signatures for the president to cancel this reckless decision.
  34. Roy
    Roy 17 November 2015 09: 56 New
    +2
    Such a "proposal" once again proves that in the current Russian pro-liberal government, anti-Russian, in fact, anti-state elements are sitting and acting quite well, which quietly destroy and undermine the most healthy and vital cells of the body of our entire state.
  35. kirgudu
    kirgudu 17 November 2015 10: 05 New
    +4
    Why not just pass the law that the Russian Federation is a protectorate of the USA?
    And do not invent all sorts of ingenious laws to ruin the Russian Federation.
  36. Brigadier
    Brigadier 17 November 2015 10: 15 New
    +1
    But I'm just wondering how much the Americans have paid to these liberals for pushing through an obviously treacherous "optimization" project? Just wondering! Vladimir Vladimirovich! Please pay close attention to these "optimizers" and write them a ticket to some sanatorium in Kolyma !!! For 10 years !!!! soldier
  37. gv2000
    gv2000 17 November 2015 10: 15 New
    +3
    There the enemies of the people are real. In particular, they beat the army, depriving the dismissed officers of the opportunity to get guaranteed housing. Block all laws aimed at maintaining these guarantees.
  38. Aleksiy
    Aleksiy 17 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +1
    There is a war against Russia. And this move from the Mines, this is an attempt to take control of the nuclear industry by Western agents, with the further destruction of the latter.
  39. Skalpel
    Skalpel 17 November 2015 10: 37 New
    +2
    To count such "activists" - pests !!!
  40. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 17 November 2015 10: 42 New
    +4
    But I did not believe that Russia is not a sovereign state. Who commands money in the country, that country. Strength, of course, is in truth, but it is fenced off with truth in gold.
    The most destructive for a person’s spiritual balance is impotence to influence something. Hence: anger - aggression - protest - struggle-blood-death-chaos-degradation-cobala-
    death.
    Is there another way?
  41. Nikita Gromov
    Nikita Gromov 17 November 2015 10: 54 New
    +5
    Well, the bastard is sitting in these government chairs.
    1. starwars
      starwars 17 November 2015 19: 16 New
      +1
      That's the bastard and the same thieves.
  42. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 17 November 2015 11: 00 New
    +2
    It is necessary to save on the salaries of officials and deputies.
    It will be much easier to collect the required amount!
    And for such optimization proposals to keep from the salary - wasted working time.
  43. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 17 November 2015 11: 08 New
    +1
    then a question arises about the level of professional training of people who, as they say, are at the helm.

    For a long time there has been no question but one: when will they be replaced?
  44. Kachesgm
    Kachesgm 17 November 2015 11: 10 New
    +3
    Reading such articles, I wonder how many have not yet destroyed the systems created back in the USSR. Someone is talking about the collapse of the 90s, but I see that in the end everything falls apart precisely in the last 15 years (elimination of forestry and huntsman, the general fire system, etc.). I myself live in a city with a nuclear power plant (LNPP) - so after the city was opened, the criminal situation deteriorated, the city is really littering visitors ... It's sad that is all, but it's not only in our country. It feels like the whole world is becoming blind and deaf ...
  45. Des10
    Des10 17 November 2015 11: 18 New
    +2
    The content of ZATO is budget expenditures, but damage to state security can be catastrophic.
    Save now - comes around in the future.
    Why are the government and the president not saving on the rich?
  46. provincial
    provincial 17 November 2015 11: 19 New
    0
    Yes, V. Putin is a good politician in foreign policy, we would have the same V. Putin for leadership in domestic politics. Yes, where to get him, he is alone. Can clone?
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 18 November 2015 00: 12 New
      0
      Not yet evening. We hope for the revolutionary actions of the Supreme Commander.
  47. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 17 November 2015 12: 12 New
    +4
    Ministry of Finance introduced a program to promote paid services in healthcare
    15.11.2015
    The Research Finance Institute (NIFI) of the Ministry of Finance yesterday presented estimates of the feasibility of state guarantees in the system of compulsory health insurance (MHI).
    I’ll have to save on pills
    Ministry of Finance experts presented their vision of the future of partially free healthcare.
    Among other things, it is necessary to move on to quantitative standardization of services provided by the state, for example, you can leave the opportunity to call a doctor at home, again, only for certain groups of the population - the disabled and the elderly. At the same time, it is worthwhile for everyone to reduce the number of free visits to the therapist (and after the patient exceeds this limit, introduce co-payment for him) and the number of free hospitalizations. In addition, you need to set limits on a free ambulance call. “For example, it is necessary to charge patients who initiate a re-call of the team after they have already refused hospitalization with the previous ambulance.” In the same way, it is possible to establish surcharges for visiting a doctor of higher qualification in the evening or overtime.
    Free medical services will remain only for socially vulnerable groups and for certain diseases. Working citizens will be able to receive free medical care only temporarily and to a limited extent. The Ministry of Finance proposes to charge patients for calling an ambulance more than 4 times a year, more than 8 visits to GPs in clinics per year, after-hours service, treatment by a highly qualified specialist and other medical services familiar to everyone.
    The Ministry of Finance proposes to abandon the practice of calling a doctor for free for certain groups of the population. That is, the ambulance will remain free, and even then only for young children, the disabled and non-mobile disabled.
    The Ministry of Finance sees another way to save budget funds by limiting the number of free calls to a GP at home. “You can somehow think about reviewing the practice of calling a doctor for free at home for the population,” the representative of the Ministry of Finance added. - There are options. You can start with a minimal, purely symbolic payment, then moving on to full payment. ”It is also proposed to abandon the practice of calling a specialist at home and replacing it with a general practitioner. For example, an appointment with a specialist doctor will be possible only in hospitals for the able-bodied population.
    The Ministry of Finance also offers to save budget funds by limiting the number of free visits to therapists in clinics. So, it is considered sufficient to make only 8-10 visits per year for free. Above this, the patient will be required either co-payment or full payment for services. One of the possible, according to officials, areas of concretization of medical services is associated with normalizing the number of repeated hospitalizations. For example, a patient will be able to be hospitalized for free in a planned manner twice a year, and pay for hospitalization in excess of this amount.

    Source: RIA AMI
    http://www.nacmedpalata.ru/?action=show&id=21880
    http://so-l.ru/news/show/minfin_predlagaet_polu_platnuyu_medicinu
  48. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 17 November 2015 12: 16 New
    +4
    These ZATOs are the islands of the undisturbed in the plundered country. This does not give the thieves in the pr-ve and the State Duma and the governors of peace! And our guarantor, when he was the head of the program for providing S. - P. with products, and having connections with the Tambovskaya organized criminal group, sold strategic raw materials (rare earth metals, including osmium, which is more expensive than gold) for more than $ 100 million. As a result, residents of S.-P. they saw neither raw materials, nor money, nor products. And all the St. Petersburg riffraff, such as Medvedev, Sechin, Yakunin, Kudrin, Ivanov, Matvienko, moved to Moscow to plunder Russia. Plundered. It remains to plunder the ZATO. Stalin, in the late 50s, "neutralized" all the St. Petersburg people in the late XNUMXs. Now St. Petersburg are taking revenge.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 17 November 2015 14: 56 New
      -1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      . Stalin all Petersburg late 50s, to put it politically correct, "neutralized". Now St. Petersburg's are taking revenge.
      Not a fig, imagine! Che Khrushchev did not bang, the year so in 1957?
  49. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 17 November 2015 13: 05 New
    +5
    ZATO, ZATO ... Here I personally have been living in ZATO all my life, and I understand the problems that the city will face after the status is canceled, and the secrecy regime has long been in last place. ZATO has long been visited, all come in, crawl - believe me ... The problem is different - state financing of the city will disappear (at the same time the state allocates from 15000 to 25000 rubles per year for one resident) It will be impossible to fill the city with the budget, since in many closed cities there are no city-forming enterprises (only in / h), or too specialized with a small number of employees. Therefore, there are few jobs, the outflow of residents begins, several years will pass and one name will remain.
  50. Doctorleg
    Doctorleg 17 November 2015 14: 03 New
    +1
    Interestingly, in the United States there are many ZATOs? In Soviet times, they loved to travel to all sorts of semi-closed and closed towns - to stock up on shortages.