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Why do we need scarecrows for Russian pilots in Syria?

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The participation of our VKS in the Syrian conflict has already become familiar. Fewer and fewer authors are figuring out the legality or illegality of this participation. And the constant successes of ground operations by the Syrian army even skeptics convince that the Russian aviation - not a soap bubble. She is acting. And the skill of Russian pilots can be envied by many Western aviators.




The coalition aviation is forced against this background looks completely helpless. Wherein news The channels and news agencies of European countries and the United States in every way inflate the successes of their aircraft. The paradox of the situation is that there is little success, but a lot of noise. It seems like they killed one of the leaders of ISIS during a raid, but with confirmations it’s frankly weak, and the leader is not such a leader, but, as they said at the Pentagon, we’re eating.

At the same time, Russia, even losing in the information war, raises respect for itself from the Arab and non-Arab states. More and more people are looking to Russia with hope. Perhaps precisely because they rarely watch TV. More often you have to look at the sky. No one is surprised that Iran or China are faster to contact with Russia than with any Western country.

That is why today there are informational orders for scarecrow materials. Materials designed specifically to create in the heads of Russian pilots, and perhaps the command, a sense of danger. The feeling of insecurity in themselves and their technique.

Recall a very recent company for the alleged appearance of ISIS MANPADS. Why supposedly? Yes, simply because some of these complexes really exist there. "Privatized" by those who fled from the government army. Stolen by deserters. And the delivery of several more problems will not solve and will not increase. Yes, and a great answer was given. I mean the sensational video of the attack of our "crocodiles" in the position of ISIS. I admit, I watched this video several times. I admired the skill of the pilots. But the main thing was not the case. The main thing in the work of these pilots.

Due to the characteristics of the combat use of helicopters, and to some extent attack aircraft - the most easily knocked down targets. Heights allow. Speed ​​especially. It seems to be hit, and only. Only here the pilots also know about it. And they learned to work relatively safely. At low and very low altitudes. When MANPADS simply does not have time to capture the target. And the designers were not idle.

And suddenly, as if by magic, the PR company MANPADS stopped. They are no longer discussing and are not going to deliver something there. To speak about the supply of more serious complexes, even Western experts can not. Any complex requires crew training. Yes, and work in one person can not. Need assurance vehicles. We need access to satellites, etc.

That is why a new scarecrow appeared. More precisely, the old as the world, but in this situation is new. And this scarecrow is that the planes of different states will meet in a very small ocean of air. Which is quite possible. Unless of course to calculate that aviation and the sun in general are led by idiots. And besides airplanes, there is nothing in the hands of these idiots. No satellite data, no ground reconnaissance data. No electronic intelligence data. Yes, and airplanes are equipped with avionics from the Second World War.

An example of beginning forecasts is the recent article by Michael Peck specializing in defense issues. The article is not particularly interesting from the point of view of the military. But quite interesting from the point of view of the "horror stories".

The leitmotif of the article was the assumption that ultimately Russian and Israeli aircraft would still meet in the sky of Syria. And this, perhaps, will lead to conflict between our countries. Not global, because an American expert still understands that there are no fools in both defense ministries of these two countries. And so. To air battles of local importance.

And the author relies on the events of the seventies of the last century. When indeed, such facts took place to be. Well, if we met forty years ago, it seems to be possible today. Well this type of Russian ...

Discard the attraction for the ears of this situation. Let's try to analyze on the principle - what if ... And what if our planes meet? By the way, pay attention, Peck completely excludes such a meeting with American aircraft. Why? Yes, simply because the Israelis are forced to equip their "American" aircraft with their avionics. Which, of course, is worse than the American version.

But for some reason in Israel there is a completely opposite opinion.

On arms of Israel are currently two types of aircraft. F-15 and F-16. And these very planes will have to shoot down our SU-30-e. Not even the experts now smiled. Stupidity? Suppose so. Although during the operation of these machines by the Israelis have accumulated quite a lot of experience. Only now they did not fight in air battles with an equal, and in our case, even superior in capabilities by plane.

Some of the readers will object. The Russians didn't fight either. I agree. That is why the first place in this confrontation is technology. Her capabilities. And weapons.

The fact is that it is precisely in the issues of armament that we and the Israelis went in different ways. This is due, among other things, to objective reasons. Simply put, the presence of one pilot in the cockpit. And the capabilities of the human body. It is impossible to control the machine and rockets at the same time. The brain does not work.

Israeli missiles do not have Russian capabilities. They are specially designed so that the pilot does not really think. Start - and that's it. The pilot's work has stopped. He is engaged in piloting. That, in fact, what should do. Plus, the opposition to what can fly into his car. Python 5 rockets are induced by thermal radiation without visual contact. And, therefore, they can easily go to the side if the radiation of some object is higher than that of an airplane. Elementary, yes? But Israeli goals and objectives are consistent.

Russian aircraft are equipped with much more diverse. In addition to infrared radiation, radar is also used. The operator does more than launch the rocket. He is able to bring it to the goal. This suggests that the probability of the victory of the obsolete F over the newest Su is extremely small.

The American expert, however, would not have been American if he had not advertised the great achievement of the USA, F-35. The fact is that Israel’s plans are really worth buying these cars next year. And they, according to the creators, are just able to resist 30. But only by design. The performance leaves much to be desired. Therefore, there is no sense in discussing this opposition. As, for example, the opposition of F-35 and our PACK. Or F-35 and Su-35. All this has already been discussed so many times on different resources, that one mention will suffice.

If you take it very seriously, then modern air combat is a somewhat broader concept. It is modern, and not work on the Papuans. Both the air defense system, the means of control, and the EW take part in it.

We especially note the most important thing for such battles. Air defense systems. We are so accustomed to globalization, that we are somehow not serious about our "Babies". Us if the air defense is certainly C-300. A better 400 or even 500. Meanwhile, in Syria there are beautiful complexes that can independently protect at the close approaches both the airbase and other military infrastructure. I write about "Carapaces". Interested readers are well aware of their capabilities. Including from our publications.

Therefore, the only global advantage of Israel is completely useless. I'm talking about drones. Bash them "shell" will be "on time." What we saw in the past exercises. But there is also "Krasuha".

So you did not succeed horror stories, dear (not really, honestly) an American specialist. It did not work for one simple reason. Idiots not only in the headquarters of the Russian army do not hold, but do not hold. In order to frighten something, you need to have something. And the confrontation of the Israeli and Russian pilots is the same stupidity as the ground war between our countries. Neither we nor the Jews need this. But if you need it, then I'm sorry, these are your problems.

Surprisingly some disrespect or even disregard for the American "special" in relation to Israeli allies. American pilots perfectly represent where Russian pilots work at a particular moment in time and space. And there the US planes do not even come close. So why should the Israelites do otherwise? Or, alternatively, our pilots just have to be in the area of ​​operation of the Israeli Air Force with the obligatory subsequent collision?

In general, of course, Michael’s "soul cry" probably turned out. He attracted interest in the United States. And this is important for him. And the fact that in Russia and Israel a lot of people read the opus “National Interests” began to twist their fingers to their heads, these are aspects for Mr. Peck that he would hardly even have to think about.

And the guys that are doing their military duty now in the sky of Syria, thank you very much. Keep going on. There you are - Russia.
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  1. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 18 November 2015 06: 06
    19
    The Israeli army is imprisoned for a certain type of task, which, for example, does not include air combat. In theory, of course, preparation is underway, but the main task is to attack ground targets. Our air force fighters pay great attention to the training of air combat, besides the achievements of the Russian air force this direction is much richer than Israel. Yes, and in general a similar situation seems unlikely.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 18 November 2015 06: 24
      +9
      After the aviation of the Arab countries warring with Israel ceased to exist, then yes .. the real work on air combat has almost stopped, but training has always been and is still ongoing!
      1. 0255
        0255 18 November 2015 10: 13
        +3
        Quote: igorka357
        After the aviation of the Arab countries warring with Israel ceased to exist, then yes .. the real work on air combat has almost stopped, but training has always been and is still ongoing!

        And what year was the last time Russian pilots fought air battles with an equal enemy? Also in the Arab-Israeli conflicts in the early 1970s, plus Soviet MiG-23s, they may have shot down 1-2 Pakistani F-16s in Afghanistan.
    2. edge
      edge 18 November 2015 07: 53
      +4
      Quote: Dimon19661
      The Israeli army is imprisoned for a certain type of task, which does not include, for example, air combat.

      You guys forgot that there are our retirees who moved to permanent residence with their wives or have some kind of roots, which means that our air combat school is well studied and represented there
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 18 November 2015 08: 07
        +2
        People with brains understand that the fate of civilization is decided:
        1. Aqela
          Aqela 24 November 2015 00: 06
          0
          Mdya ... The video sequence in the video raises a lot of questions on its content and combination of shots ... A number of photos with the family of Nikolai the 2nd and Yarosh (Tsar Rag and Iron Pravosek) looks especially interesting ... I really want to know from the author of the video: what is the essence of such a combination, and even with Obama’s portrait next? .. The porridge is militaristic, what really is there ... Started for health, finished for peace ...
          The song itself ideologically saturatedbut the semantic line (if you really turn on the brain and think about what it’s actually sung about) and the artistic level of performance are not encouraging. Sergey Trofimov puzzled me very much with such a craft. He has a lot of decent, pleasing soul songs. This song is clearly not of that kind.
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 18 November 2015 08: 07
        +1
        People with brains understand that the fate of civilization is decided:
    3. ordinary
      ordinary 18 November 2015 08: 50
      +3
      by no means, dear .. only their opponent now is not an Arab pilot on an outdated plane, but a Russian and on a superior
      hi
    4. max702
      max702 18 November 2015 12: 11
      +1
      The article boiled down to the fact that all interested parties are aware of who is doing where and what, and therefore the interests will not overlap and therefore there will be no combat clashes between aviation .. And if you consider this option, let’s say Israeli aviation, for its own only known reasons, MUST bomb an object on the territory of Syria, and we need to defend this object by any means, and the Israeli headquarters is well aware of this .. What will they do? will they come to us and agree or try to do business with a quiet glanders, and then break off? I repeat, they need to be destroyed at all costs, but we must save .. Only in this case an aircraft collision is possible .. But you must admit that the case is very hypothetical, what kind of necessity should it be? The situation is becoming a little real, and therefore the whole analysis of possible databases does not make sense.
      pc: Although there are different overlays of randomness, but then the result of the battle will completely depend on the same randomness and the forecast will not work out ..
    5. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 November 2015 12: 21
      +3
      for Dimon19661:

      "The Israeli army is focused on a certain type of mission, including
      does not include, for example, air combat "////

      Oh my God! An Israeli pilot flies about 10 times on average
      more than Russian. And what does he teach you, in your opinion? Only to bomb?
      Aerial combat exercises are continuous and continuous. Plus, regularly
      er. pilots fly to American bases, where specially
      train against the American aces-reservists, who from the squadrons of the "red"
      (on the Su-27 and MiG-29).
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 18 November 2015 13: 56
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        for Dimon19661:

        "The Israeli army is focused on a certain type of mission, including
        does not include, for example, air combat "////

        Oh my God! An Israeli pilot flies about 10 times on average
        more than Russian. And what does he teach you, in your opinion? Only to bomb?
        Aerial combat exercises are continuous and continuous. Plus, regularly
        er. pilots fly to American bases, where specially
        train against the American aces-reservists, who from the squadrons of the "red"
        (on the Su-27 and MiG-29).

        I suppose, though they are training, but not against the 4 +++ generation? As they say, these are two big differences! laughing
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 18 November 2015 14: 01
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The average flight time of an Israeli pilot is about 10 times that of Russia

        I do not argue. But at whose expense? That is the question. I doubt that this is all at the expense of the Israeli taxpayer!
        1. cumastra1
          cumastra1 18 November 2015 14: 37
          +4
          What does it have to do with "at whose expense?" or "an Israeli pilot has 10 times more flying time," and it is not at all about whose technique is cooler. Measure yourself with pisuns. The question here is whether a pilot with a six-beam star is the principal enemy? I highly doubt it. Our interests are not infringing upon Israel. And given the recent events, I think Israel is ready to meet Russia's interests.
          1. domokl
            domokl 18 November 2015 15: 16
            +2
            Quote: cumastra1
            Here the question is whether a pilot with a six-ray star is a principal enemy? I strongly doubt it.

            good Exactly. In addition, are there fools at the headquarters of the Armed Forces of Israel and Russia. We have nothing to share ...
        2. iouris
          iouris 18 November 2015 18: 16
          0
          The main question should be asked why my pilots have 10 times less flying time?
          Question to the author: why discuss this topic? In the sense: "Here they throw at us ..."
          1. avdkrd
            avdkrd 19 November 2015 02: 09
            +3
            Quote: iouris
            The main question should be asked why my pilots have 10 times less flying time?
            Question to the author: why discuss this topic? In the sense: "Here they throw at us ..."

            If Israeli pilots were actually flying 10 times more, it would have ranged from 1120 to 2150 hours per year. Believe me, this is beyond good and evil, I don't even want to discuss it. Our average flight time is quite at the level of "partners", and somewhere even higher.
            1. Aqela
              Aqela 24 November 2015 00: 25
              0
              Yeah. It is these estimates that caused my escapade towards CERNJ. Snowstorm ... Snowstorm ... And even the numbers are easy to compare lazy.
              I am always touched by the willingness of other representatives of the population to accept propaganda materials without criticism, having forgotten about arithmetic, at the level of 3 classes and physics at the level of the 8th ...
              By the way, there are about 8760 hours a year ... flight time for 1/4 days without holidays and weekends ... Exactly "beyond the bounds" ...
      3. serg 21
        serg 21 18 November 2015 17: 30
        +3
        ! A Russian pilot flies - 120-130 hours a year. The Israeli receives 1200-1300 hours. Have you flown four hours a day, seven days a week? Well, maybe. if you pi ... AS.
      4. avdkrd
        avdkrd 19 November 2015 02: 03
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Oh my God! An Israeli pilot flies about 10 times on average
        more than Russian.

        Where did you get that figure ??? The average flight time in the Russian Aerospace Forces (for all types of aircraft and all districts) amounted to 110-112 hours (in 2014), while in 2012. in the Western Military District, the average flight time was 145 hours, in Kursk (in the “nomination” front-line and fighter aircraft) the average flight time was more than 150 hours, and in army aviation - the air base in Vyazma, each pilot of which flew over 215 hours. (http://nvo.ng.ru/forces/2013-01-25/5_aero.html) It’s quite a world class. Scientifically based plaque should be at least 100-120 hours. There are no recent data on Israel, but France in 2013 lowered to at least 150 hours a year (from 180), Americans have an average flight time of 120 hours. In Israel, the pilots' flight reaches 200 hours, but this is not an average indicator, it also reaches here, so what? It is unlikely that pilots were sent to Syria immediately because of the desk, rather, on the contrary, the best of the best. So, save the tales about ten times the best training for Israeli pilots for the Censor, by the way the Israeli pilots themselves hardly share your opinion.
      5. Aqela
        Aqela 24 November 2015 00: 15
        0
        And why not a half million times more raid?
        I knew a guy who drove a truck for more than 40 years, but when he left the garage in his cocktail car, he reached the first intersection. I asked him: "How so! Such a driving experience!" He answered me: "So, at the factory of reinforced concrete products, I used to transport the solution for molding. I pour concrete into the body, drive 200 meters and pour it to form floor slabs."
        I mean that the volume of raid, hitting, finding and the like does not always indicate the quality of training. I somehow measured with a pedometer (at a previous job) how much I walk per day ... It came out from 8000 to 14000 steps. I just don’t think that this in terms of quality of loads and an abundance of life experiences corresponds to a hike in the mountains of the Caucasus, the Urals or a kayak ... request
  2. meriem1
    meriem1 18 November 2015 06: 12
    13
    Playful material !!! And the "military experts" of the United States only whine and whine. For them, everything around is somehow strange. And everything is not so with Us. It was along the way that an inferiority complex was formed. With such funding, and technically cannot tear themselves away from the "torn to pieces" of the country. The poor are suffering laughing
    1. ordinary
      ordinary 18 November 2015 08: 51
      +5
      "exceptional" people however crying
  3. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 18 November 2015 06: 20
    +8
    The Americans consider everyone as stupid as they are. They said that means it is. They just need to be reminded more often about the fence!
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 18 November 2015 07: 18
    10
    Shchaz Israeli colleagues will catch up and explain everything laughing .
    Yes, the Israeli army has not fought with an equal enemy for a long time, but you will not drink experience. The question is different - and from which hangover is it the Israeli aviation that should join the battle with ours, and not, for example, French? Kamikadze live much east, and with fools in the upper echelons of the leadership of the anti-ISIS forces, they are somehow not very good, they don’t take them there or something.
    1. MACCABI-TLV
      MACCABI-TLV 18 November 2015 12: 53
      11 th
      Quote: inkass_98
      Yes, the Israeli army has not fought with an equal enemy for a long time,

      and when was the last time the Russian fought with an equal?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 18 November 2015 14: 05
        11
        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
        and when was the last time the Russian fought with an equal?

        Not just equal, but even superior to the enemy during the war in Vietnam.
      2. domokl
        domokl 18 November 2015 15: 18
        +2
        repeat Beat ... all in a row, save Russia.
        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
        and when was the last time the Russian fought with an equal?

        So the author says the same thing. All things being equal, technology as such comes to the fore
      3. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 16: 13
        +1
        .... and when was the last time the Russian fought with an equal? ​​...

        .... Counter-question .... And when was the last time Israeli fought with an equal ..... ????? .... Or for you equal - are the Egyptians and Syrians ???? .... request
        1. Doctorleg
          Doctorleg 18 November 2015 16: 54
          0
          Quote: aleks 62 next
          .... and when was the last time the Russian fought with an equal? ​​...

          .... Counter-question .... And when was the last time Israeli fought with an equal ..... ????? .... Or for you equal - are the Egyptians and Syrians ???? .... request

          Counter-question to counter-question?
  5. VP
    VP 18 November 2015 07: 25
    +1
    In my opinion, this NI was conceived only as a source for quotes in RuNet.
    He has an extremely low level and authors in matters of which they write are versed at the level of comics.
  6. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 18 November 2015 07: 27
    +3
    To be honest, articles about someone who has more pissed up are fed up with it. smile
  7. Andrey NM
    Andrey NM 18 November 2015 07: 36
    +9
    You need to count on the worst and hope for the best. There is a saying. They are not fools who fly and plan operations, so "we will tear everyone apart" must be set aside and work until you blue in the face. It is necessary to hone the interaction of all components. This means reconnaissance and illumination of the air and ground situation, and interaction in groups, and much more. How many times have Jews punished Egyptians? And ours even got it. It is better to practice once again, calculate all the options, with and without losses, and when everything ends, then say who did whom. Just the tone that "we are here right now ..." is not correct. It is good that our ships and aviation, taking advantage of the moment, are practicing the use of weapons in combat. The better they work now, the less likely it will be used later. And success to our pilots and sailors in the right cause.
  8. petr1965
    petr1965 18 November 2015 07: 51
    +3
    There will be no air battles in the sky of Syria. We have passed the red line separating us from the choice to defend our interests, our worldview, our ideals. I am sure our president will not lie everywhere in the world, like the Americans. And Syria is our choice, which stands for all the power of our country, which just can’t fly in otvetku.
  9. victor50
    victor50 18 November 2015 08: 04
    +3
    Israeli missiles do not have Russian capabilities. They are specially designed so that the pilot does not really think. Start - and all

    And when did it become a negative factor? when missiles with AGS became worse than our R-27 with a semi-active guidance head?
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 18 November 2015 10: 32
      +2
      victor50
      still the r-27 is with a passive homing system though the capture distance is closer than that of the Aim-120 but farther than the upgraded seven and nine

      at the same time, the Su - series SM "let me forget" plus to this r-73 with a helmet in the near,
      and the needle at medium and long distances must be kept on the leash until it hits, although the Hughes APG-70 and AWG-27 ​​can lead up to a dozen targets, but you can’t move much to break the grip and "you" automatically become a target.
      Soviet military envoys worked in Syria under the Union and worked against needles and falcons, they have serious drawbacks even if the "big ass-eye" e-3 Sentri hangs.
      I think even if Syria takes the SMT for about five years no one will dare to go into the zone alone, the problems of Syria will begin only if Israel instead of itself puts the NATO coalition back on the chain.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 November 2015 08: 12
    +2
    Well, the Americans want it to be that way. At the same time, for some reason, Russian aviation is simply obliged to collide with the Israeli in battle. They keep silent about their own, probably this is a sore subject for them. If the business is done by professionals, then the business ends well.
  11. Yurmix
    Yurmix 18 November 2015 08: 34
    +2
    They are scarecrows in our media. The other day I read an article about how complicated it is with ammunition, it turns out that the entire arsenal of Calibers has been used up, and there are only uncontrollable cast irons left. And then Americans are scared. what
  12. cap
    cap 18 November 2015 08: 35
    +3
    Quote: rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 (3) SU Today, 08: 12 New

    Well, the Americans want it to be that way. At the same time, for some reason, Russian aviation is simply obliged to collide with the Israeli in battle. They keep silent about their own, probably this is a sore subject for them. If the business is done by professionals, then the business ends well.

    Americans really want to see the test with the process of destruction. The benefits are obvious. Israelis will need a new aircraft with improved performance.
    True, it will cost more. That's all. It's just a business and, as they say, "nothing personal"
  13. nimboris
    nimboris 18 November 2015 08: 42
    +1
    The article is a plus, but I do not understand where and in what Russia loses in the information war. In my humble opinion, Russia is winning this war. If our enemies and partners win in something, then they themselves disproportionately lose more.
  14. Belousov
    Belousov 18 November 2015 09: 33
    +8
    Benya Netanyahu only officially flew to Moscow 3 times already, precisely with the aim of coordinating actions in the air. As a result, the "gallant Jewish boys" stopped flying and took this opportunity to go on vacation. Yes, yes, this is just a coincidence, in no case is there a fear of grabbing a lula.
    And the desire of staff members to observe a clash in the air has at least 2 clear reasons. 1 - look at the combat potential of our aircraft; 2 - after the destruction of aviation, Israel will have to update the fleet, so there will be a great opportunity to enter Israel F-35.
    Regarding the information war, I agree - we are losing, although not by one wicket, but we are losing. Too often we look back at the opinion of the "Western partners", at the "freedom-loving press", etc. The caravan must go to its goal, and not stop at every squealing dog. Arson should be punished criminally; in the time of Joseph Vissarionovich, the "artist" Pavlensky would have begun to benefit the country in the form of fertilizer in 15 minutes. But in our country this "citizen" still cannot be condemned. Moreover, they will be released in the end.
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 18 November 2015 11: 01
      0
      Belousov
      if "get Israel the F-35." then you need to "take in" the entire complex of support for the combat capability of the F-35 from the shoes of techies who will climb the glider during maintenance to satellites that provide control, guidance, navigation that provide its shock properties, since this is a combat complex, and not a flying half-iron covered with hardboard
    2. Fyva
      Fyva 18 November 2015 12: 05
      -6
      Too many letters, drooling, snot .... "Your mom is the best ???" do not boast when going to the army ...
      1. aleks 62 next
        aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 16: 17
        0
        .... Too many letters, drool, snot .... "Your mom is the best ???" do not boast when going to the army ...

        ..... Translate .... request
  15. sevtrash
    sevtrash 18 November 2015 09: 48
    +3
    The Israeli army, based on combat experience, is at one of the first places, as well as on real clashes in the air - they have been fighting practically since the creation of the state and, as a rule, have won. The quality of weapons and training is rather at the most advanced level. In this region, it is the most efficient / powerful force, possibly with the exception of US forces only. Underestimation is harmful.
  16. MACCABI-TLV
    MACCABI-TLV 18 November 2015 10: 18
    0
    "Why? Yes, simply because the Israelis are forced to equip their" American "aircraft with their avionics. Which, of course, is worse than the American version."
    Well, does this theorem have proofs, or do the authors have this axiom right away? winked
    P, S have not read the comments yet, but I feel that for many people they have brought food.
    V.O. Unfortunately, it turns yellow and fades. request
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 18 November 2015 12: 38
      +5
      Quote: MACCABI-TLV
      Does this theorem have proof, or do the authors immediately have this axiom?

      You did not carefully or biased read the article. And they did not understand or did not want to understand sarcasm. So about the yellowness of VO you are in vain.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 18 November 2015 16: 21
      +1
      ..... because the Israelis are forced to equip their "American" aircraft with their avionics. ...

      .... And what's wrong with that ???? .... As far as I know with their avionics, they breathed new life into the old MIG-21 .... It turned out very much nothing .... lol
      1. domokl
        domokl 18 November 2015 17: 50
        +1
        Quote: aleks 62 next
        .. It turned out very even nothing ....

        bully This is necessary for the Israelis to say .. They pretend that they do not know such simple things. Israel initially, knowing the cunning of its American friends, took planes without avionics. Just because the exact same planes flew to Egypt bully
    4. nik6006
      nik6006 18 November 2015 20: 20
      +2
      Dear MACCABI-TLV (2)!
      And bring in a fresh stream! Write us an article on the theme of the great and mighty Israeli aviation, otherwise something Prokhfessor has not pampered VO readers for a long time with new articles about the mighty and great Israeli armed forces.
      I hope the words "great and mighty" did not offend you? I would love to read and comment if I can.
      Yours faithfully,
      Your colleague is an Engineer.
  17. nik6006
    nik6006 18 November 2015 10: 59
    +3
    A delusional article, with false messages, and conclusions too ... The Israelis will not step on their eggs, and even more so "meet" in the sky of Syria with our pilots. The article has nothing.

    And good luck to our pilots!
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 15: 21
      +1
      laughing Have you carefully read the article? All letters have been considered ... The article is about the American view of this issue laughing
      1. nik6006
        nik6006 18 November 2015 20: 09
        0
        Well, if the American look, then it’s understandable, nothing surprising. The Amerikans know better ...
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 November 2015 11: 15
    10
    It's even hard to comment ...

    Technically, the article is blatantly illiterate.
    Before, Roman Skomorokhov, in my opinion, didn’t fall like that.

    And politically: Israeli pilots will avoid
    meetings with Russian aircraft in any case, regardless
    which planes and which missiles anyone has adopted.
    Because contacting Russia is not at all in our interests.
    The same policy was in the 60-80 years.
  19. yousha1980
    yousha1980 18 November 2015 12: 57
    +3
    Never underestimate an adversary. Many problems begin with self-deception. I think the military is ready for any development.
  20. marinier
    marinier 18 November 2015 14: 05
    +6
    Hello!
    The author unconditionally touched on vaznuiu topic, zivotrepeshishiu. I would like to add,
    a couple of strokes. In my opinion of Russia, Dolzna will no longer discuss the issue of legality
    the presence of V.K.S., in Syria! .Rossiu not dolzny excite the opinion ku4ki stealing-
    Shikhsia demagogues of the West, in defending their national interests! If needed
    will, and I think Rossiu will not stop the vial bleating, so that he would increase his
    Presence in this region. I think the Russian Establishment, in a cyclical
    on Syria alone. It would be nice to notify its presence in Iraq.
    at first, in the form of jump aradroms. For how many voices I heard takaia prosba
    came from Iraq.
    To the author, I express blogging for live material.
    1. domokl
      domokl 18 November 2015 15: 25
      0
      Anthony welcome. I have not heard that Iraq asked for help. I even doubt it very much. The USA too crushed this country.
      But essentially, you are right. If it is necessary to destroy ISIS, it is necessary to beat them in prisons, in Iraq.
    2. nik6006
      nik6006 18 November 2015 20: 14
      0
      Quote: marinier
      Russia, Dolzna stopped discussing the issue of legality
      the presence of V.K.S., in Syria! .Rossiu not dolzny excite the opinion ku4ki stealing-
      Shikhsia demagogues of the West, in defending their national interests!


      I absolutely agree and welcome your opinion!
      But, damn it, how hard it is probably hard to write in the comments from the smartphone from the tank at 60 speed off-road !!!
      And even harder to read them! laughing
  21. Vittt
    Vittt 18 November 2015 17: 23
    +1
    Quote: MACCABI-TLV
    Quote: inkass_98
    Yes, the Israeli army has not fought with an equal enemy for a long time,

    and when was the last time the Russian fought with an equal?

    You can immediately see a typical Jew answering a question with a question. God forbid that Russia is at war with an equal to itself - you will be just dust on the arms of big guys.
  22. tracer
    tracer 18 November 2015 20: 37
    0
    What nonsense is the collision of aircraft in the sky? Why this will not happen is because nobody needs it. Well, absolutely nobody. And the Israelis are also glad that the Russians massively bearded in the sand bury. And they stand aside. Well, right geur is complete with kosher. A good article. And it's written awesome. Thanks to Alexander and Roman.
  23. Nasty
    Nasty 18 November 2015 23: 27
    0
    The authors are frankly stupid and do not rummage in sausage scraps. Especially among missiles and battle tactics. The article is a well-earned minus.