The destroyer "Zumwalt" for the first time will go to sea in early December

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The newest American destroyer Zumwalt will soon be put to sea for the first time to be tested, it reports Flotprom message agency newsader.



“We are at the construction stage when production has almost come to an end. The ship was built, ”said US Navy spokesman Sean Stackley. “The first release is scheduled for December 7.”

“In the course of the upcoming sea trials, Zumwalt will visit Portland (Maine) several times, where a change of engineers will be on board. At the end of the test voyage, the ship will return to the shipyard in Bath, which it will then - next year - leave and head to the port of San Diego (California). It is there that the installation of most combat and control systems, as well as radar and other sensors, will be completed, while the hull of the vessel, its mechanical and electrical systems were built in the state of Maine, ”the newspaper writes.

The ship was laid in 2008 at the General Dynamics shipyard (city of Bath) and built by Bath Iron Works (BIW).

Destroyer length - 182,9 m, width - 24,6 m, displacement - 13,2 thousand tons.

“Radio absorbing materials with a thickness of about one inch, which enclosed the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas. This circumstance, coupled with other elements of "stealth" technologies that are actively used on the ship, ensure the maximum secrecy of the destroyer, ”the agency said.

According to him, the ship "carries onboard weapons, including 20 universal Mk-57 launchers with a total capacity of 80 missiles of various classes: these can be Tomahawk missiles, ASROC anti-submarine missiles, or ESSM anti-aircraft missiles." In addition, on its deck there are two artillery launchers in caliber 30 and 155 mm.

It is possible that combat lasers and railguns will be mounted on the destroyer.

According to the report, on ships of this class “AN / SPY-3 radars will be installed, which, as tests have shown, successfully detect several airborne objects simultaneously, which will allow the use of destroyers of this series also as naval forces providing zonal missile defense and air defense for multipurpose carrier groups american fleet».

The destroyer is equipped with a new generation power plant - a combined diesel-gas turbine engine with full electric propulsion.

“This is the so-called“ all-electric ship ”principle when a common primary source is used to generate electricity, which provides both the movement of the vessel and the power supply to all ship systems without exception. The maximum capacity of the installation is 79 MW, ”the agency writes.

The destroyer is as automated as possible, so its crew is relatively small - 140 people. On board can be based three UAVs and one helicopter.

The publication notes that the Pentagon initially planned to order 32 of such a ship, "but in the end this number was reduced to three due to the high cost of new experimental technologies."
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  1. avt
    +16
    November 15, 2015
    We are waiting for an ode to the sea voyage from Oleg Kaptsov on the site. laughing
    1. +1
      November 15, 2015
      Type awesome design!

      To us your "Stealth-design" - in BARA'o`BAN! soldier
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      2. +25
        November 15, 2015
        The destroyer is futuristic looking. As far as it is invisible, a meeting with our ships or planes will show. If the same as that of the F-35, then the next budget cut ...
        1. +6
          November 15, 2015
          And before that, what has he been doing for so many years? Cannon shooting on the ground like this F-35?
          1. +8
            November 15, 2015
            I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. As tolerant and symbolic.
            1. +6
              November 15, 2015
              Quote: Kos_kalinki9
              I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. As tolerant and symbolic.

              not very similar only
              1. +2
                November 15, 2015
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Kos_kalinki9
                I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. As tolerant and symbolic.

                not very similar only

                Well, we stretch our legs for clothes. But pathos in Ukraine about the descent was more than in the USA.
                1. +7
                  November 15, 2015
                  With all my heart I wish him to explode to the dog’s bans.
                  Yes, so what would be in small pieces.
                  On kraynyak stupidly sink.
                  1. +3
                    November 15, 2015
                    You are ahead of the bloodthirstiness of Ganibal Lector belay
                    1. +7
                      November 15, 2015
                      And to hell with him with Ganibal.
                      If the SGA consider us their main enemy, then to fight with whom is this death machine created ???
                      With Ganibal or Hollywood?
                      So I write a wish from the heart. Why should I bother? I am not a politician.
                      1. +2
                        November 15, 2015
                        while peacetime, and the sailors don’t even need the opponent’s country, to wish for this, there will be a battle then everything will fall into place
                  2. +7
                    November 15, 2015
                    Land you soul ..)
                    Beautiful yacht! Only put the mast!
                    laughing

                    In fact, this is not yet a combat ship, but in fact, a laboratory ship with a very high percentage of new technical solutions, despite the traditional cries of "I drank!"

                    Therefore, I wish him to go through a full cycle of tests, with a detailed fixation of the results, which will allow us not to jump on a rake hitherto unknown.

                    At the same time, I’ll check my assumption how his nose works in a wave.

                    So seven feet under the bottom. Until.. wink
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                    2. +5
                      November 15, 2015
                      Have a nice one you too!!! drinks
                      And the ship looks ugly. Really iron.
                      This is in my opinion on land))))
                      1. +2
                        November 15, 2015
                        Yachting hello to you too! drinks
                        And on the topic "why Zamvolt" iron "I even somehow sprinkled a note here: http://topwar.ru/61575-ezhi-shtevni-i-zumvolt.html
                        wink
                      2. +2
                        November 15, 2015
                        So read here.
                        Thank you!
                        I think somewhere I already saw this nose ...
                        -What do you dream of the cruiser Aurora ...)))
                  3. +3
                    November 15, 2015
                    Quote: Temples
                    With all my heart I wish him to explode to the dog’s bans.
                    Yes, so what would be in small pieces.
                    On kraynyak stupidly sink.

                    Is it that simple?
                    I am opposed, let it stand up to the budget so that f35 seemed a trinket)
                    Then they themselves will cut into bolts))
                    1. +2
                      November 16, 2015
                      Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                      I am opposed, let it stand up to the budget so that f35 seemed a trinket)

                      To the question that some members of the forum say, "as much as the Americans want, they will draw as much money for the purchase as they want F-35, Zimvolts, Sivulfov and so on ...
                      No, guys, it’s harmful to endlessly print money paper! They wanted 32 Zimvolts, but limited themselves to three, wanted (if memory serves) 700 F-22, and did 189 ... I think the application for 1500 F-35 will ultimately decrease significantly.
            2. +1
              November 16, 2015
              I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. How tolerant and symbolic

              And the BUDGET must have been mastered the same Yes
        2. +9
          November 15, 2015
          And how much is it needed, this invisibility? In the radio range, it glows like a stadium light tower in the night desert.
          1. +7
            November 15, 2015
            In the radio range, it glows like

            It is the Americans who save on everything now, and our electronics engineers make such emitters for locators that birds flying by are fried. And this "stealth" iron will be visible to us in all details. Besides, it is as big as a house, and it is not easy to miss it. The most effective is small, maneuverable ... And it is all electric, there must be plenty of electronics there, and they have already learned how to deal with it ...
            1. 0
              November 15, 2015
              straight legs - the grill falls onto the deck, and what are our ships fighting with electronics?
              1. 0
                November 16, 2015
                and what are our ships fighting with electronics?

                I don’t know with what and what the ships are fighting there, but if the SU-24 is an old jammer, it’s creeping up on their electromechanics, along with electronics, even their favorite iPhones with iPads will stop working ... laughing
          2. +4
            November 15, 2015
            In radio silence mode, why will it "glow"?
            1. 0
              November 15, 2015
              And what is the use of it in the radio silence mode?
              He will not see a damn thing, but only on acoustics to rely on acoustics is very doubtful. In addition, the gas turbine engine roars like a bull!
              1. -1
                November 18, 2015
                Well, Aegis and everything. In passive mode, it will receive information about targets and strike.
        3. +5
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: oleg-gr
          The destroyer is futuristic looking. ...

          among icebergs it’s convenient to hide
          1. +7
            November 15, 2015
            Yeah, if the iceberg does not ram this device.
            1. +1
              November 15, 2015
              Quote: sinukvl
              Yeah, if the iceberg does not ram this device.

              so again conveniently, on an iceberg it is possible to dare
            2. +4
              November 15, 2015
              We are waiting for further results of sea trials and news headlines of the form: "Unnoticed by the iceberg" Zumvolt "went down like" Titanic ", did not notice the iceberg!
          2. +3
            November 15, 2015
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: oleg-gr
            The destroyer is futuristic looking. ...

            among icebergs it’s convenient to hide

            Are you hinting at the Titanic?
            1. +2
              November 15, 2015
              Quote: Kos_kalinki9
              Quote: poquello
              Quote: oleg-gr
              The destroyer is futuristic looking. ...

              among icebergs it’s convenient to hide

              Are you hinting at the Titanic?

              wait and see, of course, but I have a hunch that this iceberg will not be needed
              1. +1
                November 15, 2015
                Quote: poquello
                wait and see, of course, but I have a hunch that this iceberg will not be needed

                Zumvolt waiting for the fate of the F-117? Poyuzut, tally, tear.
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        5. +1
          November 15, 2015
          I won’t say anything about stealth, but full electric movement is interesting. In fact, it turns out an electrostation on the water.
        6. +2
          November 15, 2015
          I am somewhat confused by its seaworthiness, it is incomprehensible that the reverse tilt stem works in conditions of strong excitement. Interestingly, did they run around its model in the main pool? It may have severe restrictions on use in storm conditions.
          1. +1
            November 15, 2015
            You probably know more, engineering background? Tell me, at least the forecast, swimming in the northern latitudes for him how? Low temperature, icing, etc.
          2. 0
            November 16, 2015
            It was not only run in the pool, but a special warhead was tested for a nearby explosion. Allegedly not drowning ...
        7. +1
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: oleg-gr
          The destroyer is futuristic looking. As far as it is invisible, a meeting with our ships or planes will show. If the same as that of the F-35, then the next budget cut ...

          So they don’t earn those dollars. They do not care to spend a couple of hundred billion. It's all about the image. That's all kinds of wood-waffles being built, maybe it’s good to get it. I wish them to continue the same. When the inexhaustible-looking stream of money stops, God forbid another, more intelligent state to take their place. And this last x ... eat without salt.
        8. +1
          November 15, 2015
          It will be the same as with the famous stealth F-117 after the first combat use in Yugoslavia. Those beaten to hell, these drown. Let dumb Arabs be scared by their destroyer.
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      4. +15
        November 15, 2015
        Zamwalt class guide missile destroyers are a new type of destroyer of the US Navy with missile weapons (also formerly known as DD (X)), with emphasis on coastal and ground targets. This type is a smaller version of the ships of the DD-21 program, the financing of which was discontinued. The first Zumwalt class destroyer, DDG-1000, was launched on October 29, 2013. The destroyers of this series are multi-purpose and are designed to attack the enemy on the coast, combat enemy aircraft and provide fire support to troops from the sea.
        The program is named after the admiral, head of naval operations Elmo R. Zumwalt.
        CHARACTERISTICS
        Displacement - 14564 tons;
        Length - 182,8 m;
        Width - 24,5 m;
        Draught - 8,5 m;
        The main power plant - combined with a capacity of 106080 hp;
        Speed ​​- 30 nodes;
        Crew - 142 person
        ARMAMENT
        Impact rocket 20 x UVK Mk.57 for 80 Tomahawk, ASROC or ESSM missiles
        Anti-aircraft missile SAM RIM-162 ESSM and SM-2MR
        Artillery weapons:
        -2 G— 155 mm AGS AU (920 rounds, of which 600 in automatic loaders)
        - 2 G - 57 mm AC Mk. 110
        Anti-submarine weapons:
        - anti-submarine missiles RUM-139 VL-Asroc
        - 2 x 3 - 324 mm TA
        Air Force 2 x Helicopter SH-60 LAMPS or 3 x UAV MQ-8 Fire Scout
        Radar weapons radar AN / SPY-3


        1. aba
          +4
          November 15, 2015


          As life shows, realities are always different from program statements and advertising booklets. So, wait and see! ;)
          1. +12
            November 15, 2015
            Ouch! But it's cool ... doesn’t it remind you of anything? Yes, this is a return to the roots, so to speak ....... Here is the battle of the Monitor and Merrimack during the American Civil War
            1. +7
              November 15, 2015
              Quite a lot like an iron. And from associations - for some reason the folk comes to mind: "an ax is floating along the river from the village of Kukueva, well, let it float ..."
            2. 0
              November 16, 2015
              100% recalls, as I saw, I remembered this miracle of the military genius of the Civil War ...))
        2. +12
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: Duke
          Displacement - 14564 tons;
          Length - 182,8 m;
          Width - 24,5 m;
          Draught - 8,5 m;

          The size of Abromovich's yacht. It is long, displacement. There are even the same number of helicopters, but Abromovich has his own submarine on the yacht and 4 boats. In general, Zamwalt does not impress me. It is necessary to compare the performance characteristics more complete, well, there is an article like - "Zumwalt" vs "Eclips", who will win the battle? laughing
          1. +2
            November 15, 2015
            Kaptsov will win of course! laughing
        3. +1
          November 15, 2015
          TTX is not a ship but a song
        4. 0
          November 16, 2015
          A small clarification: according to the latest data, for some reason 57mm guns broke off and instead they put 2 30mm guns. And cry)))
      5. +7
        November 15, 2015
        Let's be objective, cool jerk!
      6. +7
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: Baikonur
        Type awesome design!



        The nose on Aurora looks like laughing , and then we'll see if it will be a revolution and which one.
      7. +14
        November 15, 2015
        You, dear, Baikonur, maybe don't care, because this destroyer is unlikely to get you in the "Kazakh steppes"! But for our "naval people", who actually serve on "hardware" and not on the "couch with a bottle of beer", this is very unpleasant news, like any other about the increase in the number of ships of a potential enemy. And given the absence of surface ships of such a "technological level" in our Navy, it just makes us sad and sad. Talk to naval officers and your "urapatriotism" will be significantly reduced. The Yankees made a strong move with this ship in the field of military shipbuilding. As a "naval", I will say one thing - with great pride and great desire I would serve on the Russian analogue of this "Zumwalt", because the future belongs to such ships and technologies! And to deny this is absolute stupidity! We have already denied genetics and cybernetics, and now "we are swallowing dust from the boots of US, Japanese and even Chinese", but at the same time "we continue to sit on the PIPE with an even booty" led by VVP!
        1. +6
          November 15, 2015
          Dear, before talking about the prohibition of "cybernetics" and repeating the stupid myth of the liberals, ask what exactly implied by this term during the ban. wassat And so yes, "cybernetics" is banned, but "computing" is not.
        2. +7
          November 15, 2015
          Excuse me, but how do you know about the technology of this newest super-duper pepelats? Well, if you know - advertise, read and marvel. So far, we see something of a dubious type (seaworthiness) and quality (in fact, before this "miracle" the shtatovites had a project of a 100 thousand ton barge with missiles). Forgive me again, but in terms of fighting qualities, the link of the old Tu-95 surpasses this miracle of the US military industry completely. Question price?
          1. +4
            November 15, 2015
            Quote: basal
            Excuse me, how do you know about the technology of this superfood of the latest pepelats? Well, if you know - advertise, read and marvel.


            I do not know everything, but this "pepelats" was the first to implement an algorithm for distributing the energy resource (electricity) between consumers: an information block, an electronic warfare unit, a movement and control unit for a ship. In obtaining information, several frequency ranges are involved, which have different accuracy, resolution and, naturally, the payment for this pleasure is energy intensity. Optimal use of energy resources allows you to reduce not only the radiated energy - and this is stealth, but also to reduce the time of detection, tracking and recognition until the required accuracy of the target location is achieved. The one who sees the target first will destroy it - that's the problem. I dealt with this issue in the 90s. At 95 he defended his candidate's thesis, but the topic did not go further with us, but they cut through into real embodiment. It's a shame.
          2. 0
            November 15, 2015
            Explain how he will feel in the northern latitudes?
      8. +2
        November 15, 2015
        Wildly I want to ask one question! And this "Zumwalt" that really was going to "nightmare" coastal zones with guns ?! And at the same time it costs so much!. While planned 32 ships, so build !!!
    2. +20
      November 15, 2015
      The goal is good ... Accepted! good
      1. +3
        November 15, 2015
        why the boat is Hindu?
    3. +3
      November 15, 2015
      140 people .. wow
    4. +12
      November 15, 2015
      To the big ship - a big torpedo!
      1. +3
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: lelikas
        To the big ship - a big torpedo!

        For this
        fully electric ship
        a fairly simple electromagnetic bomb (mine) or an EMP gun with a vircator. Interestingly, the Zumwalt radio-absorbing coating will explode or just melt from instant overheating?
        1. +5
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Quote: lelikas
          To the big ship - a big torpedo!

          For this
          fully electric ship
          a fairly simple electromagnetic bomb (mine) or an EMP gun with a vircator. Interestingly, the Zumwalt radio-absorbing coating will explode or just melt from instant overheating?

          they will add 150 kayak oars and folding seats
          1. +3
            November 15, 2015
            [/ Quote]
            they will add to the set of 150 kayak oars and folding seats [/ quote]


            I think they still have sails, or maybe he is also in the underwater position of something ... maybe we'll wait.
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            2. +4
              November 15, 2015
              Quote: cniza

              I think they still have sails, or maybe he is also in the underwater position of something ... maybe we'll wait.

              Type in an inverted position turns into a sailboat?
        2. +3
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: Vita VKO
          electromagnetic bomb (mines) or EMP guns with vircator

          EMP guns or electromagnetic bombs - this is only within the line of sight. But if the delivery vehicle has reached Zumvolt’s direct line of sight, then it’s more efficient to use a conventional cumulative or high-explosive contact warhead rather than an EMP bomb on the delivery vehicle.
          1. +2
            November 15, 2015
            Quote: Svetlana
            high-explosive contact warhead, not an EMP bomb

            As you rightly noted for powerful EMP, direct line of sight is enough. At sea, it is 20-25 km, just the standard radius of destruction of an EMP bomb. But for the contact action, the defense system of such a ship will not come close. Not for that billions are being spent on the destroyer, so that it could be so easily destroyed by a rocket or torpedo for 10 thousand.
            1. +1
              November 16, 2015
              Well, first Amy and then, lacquer, a land mine ..)))
        3. 0
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: Vita VKO
          EMP guns with vircator

          Before writing such insanity, better think of a sofa strategist ...
    5. +13
      November 15, 2015
      Wow, we have adjusted from 32 to 3 ships ... it can be seen "... that, lieutenant, the money ran out? .." laughing
      1. +3
        November 15, 2015
        For the price, he is like an aircraft carrier ... and possible railguns and lasers are especially delivered. laughing
      2. +4
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: marlin1203
        Wow, we have adjusted from 32 to 3 ships ... it can be seen "... that, lieutenant, the money ran out? .."
        "Pan ataman has no gold reserves!" (from)
        Roads become naval wunderwafers! This is true!
        But, it seems to me that the other reason is more significant: the literary capabilities to support the landing on the coast have sharply decreased in view of the fact that the Russian fleet has not completely drowned (as the Pentagon believed), the road is closed to Crimea, the Kaliningrad Region closed the Baltic Straits, but other directions and 3's enough.
    6. +13
      November 15, 2015
      Here I am tormented by doubts if the series was reduced from 32 ships to 3, how much dough everyone drank, our bureaucrats are just harmless butterflies compared to mattresses.
      1. +1
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: 79807420129
        Here I am tormented by doubts if the series was reduced from 32 ships to 3, how much dough everyone drank, our bureaucrats are just harmless butterflies compared to mattresses.



        They steal, in absolute terms the same, only ours are in rubles, and they are in dollars. wink
    7. +4
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: avt
      We are waiting for an ode to the sea voyage from Oleg Kaptsov on the site

      "Zumvolt" cuts the wave with a stem, and above it are a jamb of an F-35 squadron, and all this is invisible on the radar and reptilians are sitting in the wheelhouse. And the whole world is in awe of breakthrough technologies)
    8. +5
      November 15, 2015
      Cool pyramid, it’s just not clear, for survivability, will it fight too and close up breakouts? 140 sailors on cruising ships ...
    9. 0
      November 15, 2015
      ha, and what is our coloring laughing ?
  2. +5
    November 15, 2015
    "... Perhaps the destroyer will be equipped with combat lasers."

    Captain Larsen, yacht "Arizona" :-)
  3. +3
    November 15, 2015
    Beautiful of course ... and dear!
    1. +3
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Beautiful of course ... and dear!

      -----------------------------
      I don’t know what you saw beauty, the hull raises doubts about its seaworthiness, especially this "facet" prismatic, with a cone upward ... I would have dragged myself ...
      1. 0
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Beautiful of course ... and dear!

        -----------------------------
        I don’t know what you saw beauty, the hull raises doubts about its seaworthiness, especially this "facet" prismatic, with a cone upward ... I would have dragged myself ...



        It looks like it will dig into the wave not childishly, I repeat, maybe he’s also P.L. belay
      2. +4
        November 15, 2015
        Doubts are not in the superstructure, but in the bow. What excitement is it designed for? Or a coastal destroyer? One can see in the project more questions than answers. Because the series and cut.
  4. +4
    November 15, 2015
    Hello dear!
    On paper it looks menacing if all 4 of the described ones correspond to reality.
    We are waiting for an answer from V.M.F. RUSSIA !!!
    1. +20
      November 15, 2015
      I think it’s alright hi
    2. +1
      November 15, 2015
      Under the current "rulers" you will NEVER wait! Our USC still cannot bring "to mind" the frigates with corvettes, which were designed back in the 90s - then there are no main engines (Ukrainians asked), then the radar does not see a damn thing, then they forgot the new air defense system for the fleet in time work out, then "pennies" suddenly ran out ... In a word, Iosif Illarionovich and Lavrenty Pavlovich are not enough!
      And the forum was always full of "sarcastic saliva" splashing, there are and will be, it is more convenient to move up the "career ladder". But the Yankees really made a big step into the future with these destroyers, as it is not sad for us, BUT ... it is worth admitting. At a displacement of 14000, a crew of 140 people is very impressive in the degree of automaticity. It is not necessary to deal with shit, but like the Chinese, they should adopt, copy, or steal the best, if by the time itself
      1. +4
        November 15, 2015
        Yes, probably for 14000 tons of 140 people this is how the level of automation of the advanced one shows ................ But for 48000 -160 people in the birthplace of Shark, is it Typhoon -941 project? Is it like what do you think shows?
        1. +3
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Yes, probably for 14000 tons of 140 people this is how the level of automation of the advanced one shows ................ But for 48000 -160 people in the birthplace of Shark, is it Typhoon -941 project? Is it like what do you think shows?

          Based on mathematical logic, feeble Americans have 1 tons per face, and we have 100 for one face. The heroes have never been translated in Russia !!! wink
        2. +1
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          .. But for 48000 -160 people in his dear Shark, is she the Typhoon -941 project?

          Is it underwater or above water?
          1. +2
            November 15, 2015
            in the underwater
      2. +5
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: kepmor
        But the Yankees really made a big step into the future with these destroyers, as it’s not sad for us, BUT ... it's worth recognizing.

        Why are you all sad? The US Navy and so objectively ours was at times superior, well, they have a new wunderwaffle, so what? Yes, the newest, but the breakthrough and ... to tear your hair and rush to catch up? Obviously, we will not catch up with a loss, and we will spend a lot of money and time in vain. We need to respond in areas where we are traditionally strong. Detection and destruction systems. Mounted even on trash like "Admiral Kulakov" may well put this iron on the bottom. But, of course, to say that "Zumvolt" g ... is at least stupid and shortsighted, and what difference does it make how much dough they saw, the main thing was done, and then the battle will show xy is xy.
      3. +1
        November 15, 2015
        Dear kepmor, if you pretend to be a sailor, then tell us how this iron will withstand the storm. Well, I will also note that the sea water is salty, you know, you know. How's the stealth coating? If it's not clear, let me remind you that a super cool F-22 after each flight requires three days for maintenance - the "stealth" coating peels off))))
      4. +1
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: kepmor
        It’s not necessary to deal with shit, but like the Chinese, it’s best to adopt, copy, or steal to the extremes, if time itself

        -----------------------
        Do you suggest which thread the destroyer Zumvolt or Arly Burke should completely hide? belay
    3. +1
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: marinier
      Hello dear!
      On paper it looks menacing if all 4 of the described ones correspond to reality.
      We are waiting for an answer from V.M.F. RUSSIA !!!

      Stop fooling around .. Already not funny! hi
      1. 0
        November 15, 2015
        You would have a headdress replaced.
        And vra4u, show.
        Contusia ves sereznaia.
  5. +3
    November 15, 2015
    interesting, but with 2-3 points it will not sink?
    1. +2
      November 15, 2015
      Avno does not sink.))))
    2. +8
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: Babai Balkan
      interesting, but with 2-3 points it will not sink?

      He has a freeboard of at least 8 meters; he will not drown from the wave sweeping.
      But stability .... ???? the case is very interesting.
      1. 0
        November 15, 2015
        It looks like everything is normal with this ship with stability.
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    4. +10
      November 15, 2015
      No. 3 options: Remains as is. Simulates a submarine, as it is. Turns over the superstructure down and takes the form of a classic ship.
  6. +3
    November 15, 2015
    He does not walk, he swims, "Zumvelt" entot. Yes
  7. AUL
    +12
    November 15, 2015
    About one inch thick radar absorbing materials, which enclose the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas
    How is one related to the other?
    1. +4
      November 15, 2015
      Quote from AUL
      How is one related to the other?

      Duc, by this,
      combined diesel gas turbine engine
      belay
      1. 0
        November 15, 2015
        Quote from AUL
        How is one related to the other?
        The materials are different. There are radio-conductive plastics that are transparent to the radiation of antennas. And if you install an antenna post in the superstructure (and it does exist) and cover it with such material from the outside, then everything will work and no unmasking protruding parts are needed.
        1. +1
          November 15, 2015
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Quote from AUL
          How is one related to the other?
          The materials are different. There are radio-conductive plastics that are transparent to the radiation of antennas. And if you install an antenna post in the superstructure (and it does exist) and cover it with such material from the outside, then everything will work and no unmasking protruding parts are needed.


          Antenna post unattended! There are radio-transparent composites! And for a long time. And if this casing of radiolucent material does not exist, what will change? Yes, and the work of the radar is immediately fawn!
          1. +1
            November 15, 2015
            Quote: arane
            Yes, and the work of the radar is immediately fawn!
            So they will install a new radar on it and on the aircraft carrier "Ford", which:
            Carries out a three-dimensional overview, tracking targets during the scanning process (TWS), target recognition, target designation of weapon systems, weapon control, programming anti-aircraft missile autopilots, target illumination for semi-active homing missiles SM-2 and ESSM. In addition, it allows you to detect the periscopes of submarines, floating mines and other small objects, used as a navigation radar. Can carry out review and tracking of targets in passive mode[1], carry out counter-battery functions [2].
            It has three flat active solid-state phased arrays located in azimuth at an angle of about 120 °, which together cover the entire range of azimuths from 0 to 360 °https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SPY-3[2].
            That’s why he needs drones, communication with space and the ability to receive external target designation? By the way, the same principle is embodied on the F-35 airplane. This is very dangerous. Somehow, when discussing its characteristics, the VO rolls onto the obser of its flight qualities of a high price tag and completely it’s forgotten what’s inside. I see that a new object of ridicule is appearing. And the same trend: high price and dubious seaworthiness. And what is inside is not important.
    2. +4
      November 15, 2015
      Quote from AUL
      About one inch thick radar absorbing materials, which enclose the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas
      How is one related to the other?

      No way! Or a stupid translation, or a magazine ...
      1. +1
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: arane
        Quote from AUL
        About one inch thick radar absorbing materials, which enclose the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas
        How is one related to the other?

        Yes, in any way! Or a stupid translation, or a magazine ...

        That's for sure, physics is not written for journalists. wink
        In general, Zumwalt was a failure for the Pentagon. Judging by the initial number of ships planned for construction, this project was supposed to replace the old man Burke. But it did not grow together and another "white elephant" was born, in the amount of 3 units (Although recently there was news that they did not want to finish building the third one and cut it right on the stocks)
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    3. 0
      November 15, 2015
      The flyer was apparently a specialist mattress. Enough for our poopers. They are thrilled.
  8. +7
    November 15, 2015
    Can he swim in the ocean? Will not he bury his nose in the wave? And how will his super-duper coating withstand a moderate-intensity storm?
    In my opinion, this is an eructation of the fat times of undivided hegemony, when it was possible to cut the budget with impunity with any projects, because there is no enemy! And not observed. Therefore, whoever moves the project more wonderful and futuristic will win.
  9. +3
    November 15, 2015
    It looks futuristic, like the F-35, but what will be its real combat qualities - a question. The F-35 was also extolled to the skies, and as a result, so many troubles surfaced, starting with a frantic price, that the Americans did not even know who to fuse it with. I would not be surprised if in a couple of years the Americans will name the sum of the cost of this ship, which will equal the cost of half the aircraft carrier.
  10. 0
    November 15, 2015
    What is its EPR (EOP)?
    maybe "in vain they sculpted such a humpbacked" ?! lol
  11. +3
    November 15, 2015
    In vain you are such an interesting ship. Perhaps this is a new "Dreadnought". The cost of course goes off scale, but this is the problem of all new technologies.
    1. +3
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Perhaps this is the new "Dreadnought"

      If you talk about everything that was said, it will certainly become a new page in the history of military shipbuilding.
      A railgun and a laser are weapons of practically unlimited "ammunition", just like electronic warfare stations.
      You can laugh and mock anything you want - it's simple: you don't need much mind. But to discern innovations and their combat use - this is the "spinal" brain need to strain! Unfortunately, not everyone is given it.
      1. +3
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Railgun and laser are weapons of practically unlimited "ammunition"

        Then you got excited. Restriction on the power and size of the storage capacitor for the railgun and the efficiency for the laser. If everything was so simple with this weapon, then they would have already been used. Ours do silently, without PR, the Americans PR is not particularly becoming more viable. F-35 (and not only) the chapel. For popuars, this is scary, although it is not necessary, for us it does not matter, because there is a nut with a different thread on the tricky bolt. Cheap and effective.
        1. +1
          November 16, 2015
          Quote: Oleg147741
          If everything was so simple with this weapon, then they would have already been used.

          The plane of the Wright brothers was also clumsy and ugly. The Yankees have already put a pilot plant on the DKVD.
          The U.S. Navy has developed a new laser capable of destroying small ships and drones. His trials, which took place in the Persian Gulf in December 2014, according to the military, "exceeded expectations." The laser was mounted on a landing dock type Ponce, located in the Persian Gulf. The tests were carried out for four months.

          Before that, a message flashed and disappeared about the destruction of the BR at D = 80km (!) They shot an impressive film about the railgun ... So, there is a suspicion that things are slowly but surely moving to the practical ending ... We have the same.
      2. +2
        November 15, 2015
        Yeah. Ammunition is not limited, and the trunks for the railgun? How many guns can stand one barrel there?
  12. +2
    November 15, 2015
    which case is interesting ...
  13. +8
    November 15, 2015
    They build bastards at the expense of the whole world ..... And they themselves are in debt like in silk ...!
    1. +7
      November 15, 2015
      The view is awesome! Not when I had not seen such a huge metal coffin.
    2. 0
      November 15, 2015
      You only do not confuse government debt with the debts of private companies and corporations.
  14. +11
    November 15, 2015
    And yet the decision on the back-beveled bow of the ship seems to me at least strange. When moving, in spite of any tricks, the ship will "bury" under the water. Those. the resistance will increase, which causes a greater load on the propulsion systems, it is necessary to come up with a system that compensates for the nasal roll in such a "burying". In general, this shape of the nose, kmk, was not chosen because of some innovative solutions, but because the new American should look cool. Those. not only engineers worked on the project, but also image makers.
    1. AUL
      +10
      November 15, 2015
      Apparently, we calculated the wave resistance in different modes. They, of course, "well, stupid", but not so much that for the sake of a futuristic appearance, the parameters are reduced!
    2. +4
      November 15, 2015
      Well, yes, you’re right, they swelled billions for research and development, and came up with such heresy, and you only slightly sold your sofa and issued an axiom ...
      1. +2
        November 15, 2015
        I am pushing a chair. This is not the case. I sprinkled a little here. The main reason Internet experts call the need to reflect the radio waves up. The second reason is called that such a solution has the best seaworthiness in a turbulent sea. And even the videos give a similar solution. I'll bring him too. Pay attention to what height had to be done so that the ship does not overflow. One thing is certain - the load on the ship’s structure when it is cut into the wave is lower.
        1. VP
          0
          November 15, 2015
          Why reflect up?
          To make it easier to detect from planes and to make anti-ship missiles easier to induce?
          1. 0
            November 15, 2015
            I really don’t know, to be honest. Probably, in this decision there is also the work of very clever minds, who thought through and calculated everything.
    3. +3
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: S-cream
      And yet the decision on the back-beveled bow of the ship seems to me at least strange. When moving, in spite of any tricks, the ship will "bury" under the water. Those. the resistance will increase, which causes a greater load on the propulsion systems, it is necessary to come up with a system that compensates for the nasal roll in such a "burying". In general, this shape of the nose, kmk, was not chosen because of some innovative solutions, but because the new American should look cool. Those. not only engineers worked on the project, but also image makers.

      Why did you decide that the ship would certainly dig into the water? The shape of the nose does not affect the law of Archimedes.
      A roll on the bow, as well as on the stern, is called trim
      1. +1
        November 15, 2015
        If we consider the law of Archimedes, as applied to the vessel, as a material point, then I agree with you. However, in this case one cannot approach such measures. I’m telling you as a person who looked a lot like inflatable boats such as a sports catamaran, a tourist and a tourist along the rugged mountain rivers of high and highest complexity.
        Will bury, because the ship tapers towards the deck, i.e. during movement, the incident wave will act on the vessel, including its mass. And the greater the speed, the greater the weight of the water pressing on the front of the vessel.
        What is trim and what happens, I know, thanks. And what is more correct in this case to speak not the nose, but the stem, because we are discussing exactly its inclination.
        1. +3
          November 15, 2015
          All the same, there is not much difference. Any ship buries in a big wave. This is due to a change in gravity and archimedes. Imagine a hollow pipe 100 m long. If it has one end buried, the other will rise. As a result, the Archimedean force pushing the vessel up in the bow will be greater than gravity, and in the stern, on the contrary, the system will return to its original position. Here is the same thing. The only difference is that the vessel’s tank with such a stem design in a storm will flood heavily, like in a submarine, it’s better not to be there.
          Yes, even with this design, a large draft is very important, this vessel seems to have 8 meters! It’s enough for the ship to cut the wave, and not climb over it
          1. +1
            November 15, 2015
            I will say a few other words, climbing the big wave is provided by buoyancy, and the passage through small and medium - the form of the stem and the collapse of the sides of the nasal extremity, which reduces the slimming. I already wrote a small opus on this topic:
            http://topwar.ru/61575-ezhi-shtevni-i-zumvolt.html
            There, in the video, the balance of these qualities in yachts is visible.
            hi
      2. 0
        November 15, 2015
        Two characteristics - germination on a wave and wave resistance. More A.N. Krylov concluded that this form was irrational. Wait and see.
    4. +1
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: S-cream
      Compensating for nasal roll in such a "buried".
      Roll is when "aboard", right or left. And here the trim (for flyers - pitch), as you write - on the nose.
      Another thing is interesting. At Zumvolt, all the air inlets in the superstructure are withdrawn. What if a fire?
  15. +4
    November 15, 2015
    Americans generally do not produce cheap weapons, and this is just a masterpiece.
    Now, as with the B-2 Spirit, they don’t know what to do with it, because the Herods can sink, and then there’s a lot of money, all the technology, they can steal bad luck again. That's where the B-2 Spirit are at the airfields, and the main horse anyway F-16 Fighting Falcon
  16. 0
    November 15, 2015
    The design is super! Americans know how to make beautiful packaging for Mr. Aries
  17. +4
    November 15, 2015
    It reminds me of a modern galley. The main thing is to lean on the oars. Well, they have enough of the president’s fellow tribesmen, even with an engineering background. smile
  18. +6
    November 15, 2015
    it would be interesting to see how such a shnobel enters the wave.
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      And they didn’t hear about the bulb on the nose, don’t ... So there’s even more shnobel, and nothing — the whole tanker, container carrier, partially dry cargo ship, and the navy, they go like that normally, and they also save fuel.
  19. -4
    November 15, 2015
    Normal target for our Bastions. His test in the Black Sea, and the crew of diapers to download more. hi
  20. +1
    November 15, 2015
    And why does Abramovich not have such a yacht? Where will his wives give birth to heirs? Shame on you, Roman Arkadevich!
    1. +6
      November 15, 2015
      Not Abramovich, but still.
      1. +1
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: S-cream
        Not Abramovich, but still.

        Oh, nah ..! This is a yacht for relaxation, not for showdown
  21. +1
    November 15, 2015
    on the An-2 we catch a barrel of paint under the belly and quietly, quietly a few meters above the culture ... oh! .. over water creeping III Bats !!! arrange a second shift, it becomes noticeable! ))))
  22. 0
    November 15, 2015
    on the An-2 we catch a barrel of paint under the belly and quietly, quietly a few meters above the culture ... oh! .. over water creeping III Bats !!! arrange a second shift, it becomes noticeable! ))))
  23. +1
    November 15, 2015
    To a big ship - a big torpedo!
  24. +8
    November 15, 2015
    Hmmm, no matter what the urya-patriots say about Zamvolt, no matter how they call him "iron", the fact remains: the United States has an ocean-going fleet. Britain has, China, even India is planning something. And with us? .. And we have already postponed the delivery dates of frigates 100500 times, I will not say anything about laying down destroyers request
  25. -1
    November 15, 2015
    I do not know how you gentlemen this design? But it reminds me of IRON, and irons, as you know, do not stay on the water!
    1. +1
      November 15, 2015
      Absolutely at the top.
  26. +7
    November 15, 2015
    “This is the so-called principle "all-electric ship"when a common primary source is used to generate electricity, which provides both the movement of the vessel and the power supply to all ship systems without exception. Maximum installation power - 79 MV

    The large number of electrical consumers in an "all-electric ship" also means higher radiation in various frequency spectra. And an inch of radio-absorbing cladding will not help, since enhanced absorption in one spectrum means transparency in the other. It is impossible to make absorption equally effective over the entire range. This means that to detect such a "wunderwafe" it is advisable to use passive radar, so as not to be the first to be detected.
  27. +1
    November 15, 2015
    I wonder if they gave the designer of this PASudina a purple heart for managing to teach this iron to SWIM! At one time, the designer of the F-117 was so deceived. It is necessary for him to cook up a medal.
    1. +4
      November 15, 2015
      purple heart for injured give. Do you mean that the designer was injured in the brain?
  28. +4
    November 15, 2015
    Quote: armored optimist
    it would be interesting to see how such a shnobel enters the wave.

    It’s better to see if he leaves from there. :-) Fight on such an expensive destroyer that in the 90s, fight in a leather jacket. Not scary if against the Papuans, but keep it away from the Russians.
  29. +1
    November 15, 2015
    I can’t understand what they attacked this building, they’re even building, researching, and for the most part we’re traveling around the exhibitions with mock-ups, when we launch something new like this ship, we can wake up screaming that they have r ... oh, and we have no equivalent taxes
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      The main thing is to build what is needed for effective defense.
      1. 0
        November 15, 2015
        Like - a little "pasudina", well, with a very long "hand"?
  30. 0
    November 15, 2015
    I do not know how you gentlemen this design? But it reminds me of IRON, and irons, as you know, do not stay on water.
  31. dsi
    0
    November 15, 2015
    And whatever we "see" it, it is painted under our flag.
  32. 0
    November 15, 2015
    According to the OBS, they say that the entot steamboat can dive when the Russian Navy appears on the horizon. Well, they don’t say anything about diving from the bottom. Life will show after the rumors from the OBS (one woman said).
  33. VP
    +1
    November 15, 2015
    Some ugliness
  34. 0
    November 15, 2015
    ... CALIBRATE, would it .... laughing
  35. +2
    November 15, 2015
    Seven thousand feet above the keel.
  36. +1
    November 15, 2015
    It’s necessary to bring down this bastard country with a vigorous mom
    otherwise we don’t have enough people or dough
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      Just before you bring the United States a nuclear mom, you need to consider that they, too, can beat us very well, and more than twice as much, in the total capacity of nuclear charges, than we do with them.
      1. +1
        November 15, 2015
        The doctrine of our strategic nuclear forces is a retaliatory strike. So it's not the amers who need to worry about the retaliatory strike, but us. What we are doing. Yes, our arsenal is inferior to the American one. But we can make such a good part of the United States uninhabited for a hundred or two years. This is already an UNACCEPTABLE loss. Why they have not discharged their arsenal yet. And Prapor responded well to the wish to "bang".
  37. +4
    November 15, 2015
    This is definitely an achievement. Even if the ship does not go into production, it serves as an excellent demonstrator of technologies. I wish our effective managers to finally master the production of GTU and complete the construction of the Zvezda shipyard / long-term construction, otherwise we will remain sitting by the remnants of the USSR fleet, but at the same time proudly call ourselves a world power.
  38. yan 2015
    0
    November 15, 2015
    as they say in the people. the devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: yan 2015
      as they say in the people. the devil is not so terrible as he is painted.

      as they say - ugly does not work, but this bucket is ugly
  39. 0
    November 15, 2015
    For each ass there is horseradish with a screw.
  40. 0
    November 15, 2015
    The more the trough, the more difficult it is to miss! soldier
  41. 0
    November 15, 2015
    I think it was conceived for immersion !!! And for a long timeooooooo!
    And yet: what nafig technology stealth? Who remembers what it is (differently inclined ribs on the surface in order to exclude direct reflection of the radar beam), then it is useless on water. Moreover. given that our radars use different meters of waves (dtsm, m, etc.) then everyone will see it. Our missile defense planes also use two to three wave scans. if they have covered modern radar equipment (for example, in the DMC range). then they will see him in the meter, if on the contrary - the same picture is a side view.
    As for the coating in an inch carbon fiber (2,5 cm), they can also hide only an inch of metal, the rest of the iron on the water will also be visible! and then, such "invisibility" until the first shot from him.
    So I support the opinion that this craft was rather created taking into account science fiction films, with the help of image makers, etc.
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      do not carry nonsense
  42. -4
    November 15, 2015
    Destroyer as automated as possible


    An electronic warfare strike will turn this "escort" into a pile of useless electronics in a tin can
    1. +5
      November 15, 2015
      First you need to approach him at the range of effective use of electronic warfare, and this is in the best scenario, at least 50 km. But will he want in a battle to let the carrier of these funds (plane, ship) to such a distance? I think no...
      Here on the forum, the "sofa generals" in general "lost their shores" because of a passionate desire to pour out as much bile as possible on "Zumvlat", and in vain, real military men never belittle the capabilities of a potential adversary. And this "ugly iron" should be treated with great precaution, especially since the Yankees will test all the latest weapons systems on it and, sooner or later, will bring it “to mind.” And our fleet will receive a very strong enemy at sea
      It’s not "hats to throw at the gate", but you need to build the same ships of the future!
      1. +1
        November 15, 2015
        We do not have extra money to play toys. Half of the world does not work for us, only 20 percent of its population. So there remains only an asymmetric answer - effective, not necessarily similar, and most importantly less expensive.
      2. +2
        November 15, 2015
        Quote: kepmor
        It’s not "hats to throw at the gate", but you need to build the same ships of the future!

        And tear yourself up? No, thank you, our economy is far from Soviet, we can’t stand it while the Serdyukovs live and work. SUCH separation of amers from us in the fleet is very difficult to play. Another thing is to grind weapons that such ships MAY sink. And not only to grind, but also to develop new.
  43. +1
    November 15, 2015
    In the long-wavelength spectrum of over-the-horizon radars, it shines as usual, it will not go up to our shores and ship groups. According to unverified infe (the bitter complaints of one old US admiral from the old school), the main unified radar of Zumwalt is blind up to 7 m above the surface at distances up to 3 km from the ship. That is, he is simply a target against our anti-ship missiles, without any opportunity to defend himself. He can’t work independently against an enemy equipped with serial Russian naval weapons. Well, why is the garden fence being asked?
  44. +12
    November 15, 2015
    Quote: Baikonur
    Like a frightening design! We have your "Stealth-design" - BAR'o`BANU!

    And the fact that we checked the same in configuration in Krylov, nothing? Ours of the same kind would appear - there would be a laudatory ode: WHAT DESIGN IS OUR DIGGER (CRUISER) !!!!!!!!!!!
    Well, since the American one is an awesome design, and we are on the drum. Only now they have a new generation already on the water, and our Leader / Flurry is still in the project

    Quote: marlin1203
    Wow, we have adjusted from 32 to 3 ships ... it can be seen "... that, lieutenant, the money ran out? .."

    This, alas, is the trouble of all new ships with new technologies. Very expensive. how effective will be - wait and see

    Quote: Dimon19661
    In vain you are such an interesting ship. Perhaps this is a new "Dreadnought". The cost of course goes off scale, but this is the problem of all new technologies.

    You're right. The ship is unusual and interesting. By the way, it implements some "nishtyaks", as many like to express here. In particular, the tragic experience of the Soviet Navy associated with a fire on a surface ship was taken into account.
    And ours were also involved in such projects. My friend's father-in-law worked at the Krylov Center. Several times (several years ago) he had a chance to visit the "internal museum", let's say, where, among other models, models of ships of this configuration were presented. And according to him, I counted such models 5 or 6. So we also had such work, but the legacy of the 90s most likely did not allow us to build an analogue. Or maybe there were other reasons.

    Quote: MIKHAN
    The goal is good ... Accepted! good

    Actually, if you wanted to write that the destroyer is a good target, you should post his photo. And so it looks ambiguous. Our boat - and the inscription Purpose is good !!
    And there is no need for dizeluhi to do another vunedervaffe. And then I look like something like this is another episode of ecstasy: drown all, bomb all
    That "Caliber", then the 636 project, the last squeak - "Status".

    A good boat, but for certain TVDs. Are you going to use it as an ocean one? At least they looked at the performance characteristics, whether it can operate in the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Would compare with the TTX destroyer. With her maximum underwater speed of 20 knots, how many miles will she travel? 10? 20 or 30 before the batteries die? And the target’s speed is 30 knots. Plus he has ASROK for such purposes.
    Kindergarten, honestly, not a forum of normal, adequate adults ...
    1. +1
      November 15, 2015
      In general terms, you are right - do not fall into idiotic delight. But in particular about dieselyuha - no. She should work on it, if, God forbid, have to, then within the limits of its seaworthiness.
    2. +7
      November 15, 2015
      So at least half didn’t even serve, And the fact that the US fleet is much stronger, newer, many are not familiar. And the fact that the Jankers have good ships, they don’t know. You can minus ...
    3. +4
      November 15, 2015
      Quote: Old26
      A good boat, but for certain TVDs. Are you going to use it as an ocean one? At least they looked at the performance characteristics, whether it can operate in the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Would compare with the TTX destroyer. With her maximum underwater speed of 20 knots, how many miles will she travel? 10? 20 or 30 before the batteries die? And the target’s speed is 30 knots. Plus he has ASROK for such purposes.
      Kindergarten, honestly, not a forum of normal, adequate adults ...

      Once, you need to stick the first photo you get and hurray grunt in the signature) And you won’t get any advantages laughing
  45. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Another prodigy for a good hundred dozhenilions of evergreens ...
  46. +2
    November 15, 2015
    Technique from an unfulfilled future for cutting the budget and intimidating the faint of heart.
  47. 0
    November 15, 2015
    And it is impossible THERE something to "miss" - well, you never know? To end invulnerability right away? Convenient moment, while showing off! Anyway, the war is already underway request wassat And not Siberia in those parts, it's easy to "make a mistake" laughing
  48. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Guys! He looks like a coffin. It’s scary to approach this, not to serve ...
  49. -2
    November 15, 2015
    tochnik !!! For the F-117 medal iron with wings, for the ento product, an iron with lifebuoys !!!
  50. +1
    November 15, 2015
    Due to the robbery of the whole world, there is enough money to build all kinds of crap. And to us
    then reach for them, spending the last penny. Again they want to engage in the race
    weapons.
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      They scare us with real super sophisticated "cans", and ours with their color pictures ...
      Cheap and cheerful, the budget is not rubber.
  51. +4
    November 15, 2015
    The power of the electric generators is 79 MW, I must admit, it’s cool. They are preparing a railgun for this project. And the number of crew for this type of ship is amazing - 140 - what a level of automation.
  52. +1
    November 15, 2015
    The most interesting thing here is not the design, but
    the fact that this is the first ship with electric propulsion.
    And with a huge reserve of electricity.
  53. +2
    November 15, 2015
    It is impossible to determine its combat characteristics because... and the composition of the weapons is not really known and the niche that it will occupy (what kind of tasks they will sell it on), although 3 pieces will not make a difference. However, R&D, even with negative results, will not be harmful. request
  54. +3
    November 15, 2015
    Test iron. And where are our Project 21956 destroyers, awww, 8 years have already passed since the start of design, it would be good to know about the state of completion of this process...
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      Our destroyers will appear after 2025, not earlier.
  55. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Ha!!! he's crazy!!!
  56. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Quote: Denis DV
    I think it’s alright

    If only you could find something older...

    Quote: kepmor
    In a word, Joseph Illarionovich and Lavrenty Pavlovich are missing!

    If, dear, you remember Stalin and Beria, then it wouldn’t hurt to learn what Comrade Stalin’s name was and not confuse his patronymic with Kutuzov’s patronymic

    Quote: NordUral
    In general terms, you are right - do not fall into idiotic delight. But in particular about dieselyuha - no. She should work on it, if, God forbid, have to, then within the limits of its seaworthiness.

    So it’s clear that if it enters the Sea of ​​Okhotsk or the Black Sea, then yes. But our fellow forum members are already planning to drown it throughout the entire expanse of the World Ocean
  57. 0
    November 15, 2015
    The Pentagon initially planned to order 32 of these ships, "however, this number was eventually reduced to three due to the high cost of new experimental technologies."


    Their R&D is not bad, planning and “cutting” are organized, our craftsmen still have to “saw and saw” to achieve such indicators smile
    1. +1
      November 15, 2015
      The only difference is that they cut with a result at the end, but with us the money disappears and there is no result.
      1. 0
        November 15, 2015
        It’s also difficult to call “this” a result.
  58. 0
    November 15, 2015
    I remember at one time stealth in Serbia was illuminated by an ordinary Belgrade TV transmitter. In general, operation will show
  59. 0
    November 15, 2015
    A carbon fiber coating is, of course, good, but how will it behave in operation? Even if submarines sometimes arrive at base without rubber, they get torn off by the wave...
  60. +1
    November 15, 2015
    Quote: ZAV69
    I remember at one time stealth in Serbia was illuminated by an ordinary Belgrade TV transmitter. In general, operation will show

    How is that??? And everyone saw the stealth flying right on the TV screens? And the pilot didn’t wave his hand to the audience??
  61. +2
    November 15, 2015
    The text is inaccurate. The ship is equipped with two Bofors anti-aircraft guns, a 57-mm Mk. 110. And most importantly, 2 (two) new promising automatic 155-mm AGS cannons firing guided projectiles (firing range up to 180 km, although only 120 have been fired so far). The system is a turret-mounted 155 mm water-cooled gun (barrel length 62 caliber) with an under-deck automatic loading system. The ammunition load of the two towers is 920 rounds, of which 600 are in automated ammunition racks. The rate of fire is really low - 10 rounds per minute, this is due to the fact that the length of the projectile is more than 2 meters and loading occurs with the barrel in a completely vertical position. The cost of one shell is about 35 thousand dollars. During tests, when firing at 80 km, the deviation from the target was 10 -20 meters. In short, they promise to get into a circle with a diameter of 50 m (this is if the enemy does not jam the GPS signals - the projectile is aimed at it). The shell contains 11 kg of explosives.
  62. +8
    November 15, 2015
    The destroyer is equipped with a new generation power plant - a combined diesel-gas turbine engine with full electric propulsion

    I wonder what exactly is meant here. Perhaps we are talking about the fact that the main source of power in the economy mode is standard diesel generators, and when maximum power is required for full speed or for EM weapon systems, a turbogenerator is taken in parallel with the generators on the main switchboard.
    If this is indeed the case, then the Americans have achieved a clear breakthrough in terms of the reliability and flexibility of ship systems. With such a distributed power supply system for the vessel, it will not lose speed even in the event of severe damage to the main engine. And if the main switchboard and automatic switchboard are also separated into isolated compartments in different parts of the vessel (and generators too), then the result will be a very durable and almost indestructible ship. It can only be destroyed by making underwater holes in each of the waterproof compartments. It will be difficult to destroy it by fire - in light of the fact that the power system is distributed and a complete blackout most likely will not occur even if the ship is severely damaged by missiles and bombs, the automatic fire systems will operate normally and cope with the threat

    ZY I read the jingoistic comments, their general content and content has not changed in recent years in relation to any new product, and this is sad. I foresee, by analogy with the F-22, drones, and control systems of modern tanks, their development will be as follows:
    1. “This completely sucks, the Americans are saving money, he won’t even get off the stocks!”
    2.after launching and sea trials: “It’s still unnecessary crap, we’ll instantly sink it with our miracle weapon!” (a list of miracle weapons is underway; it is especially welcome if it was developed by our insightful and brilliant scientists back in the USSR just for such a case)
    3. After some time, when the Russian military-industrial complex proposes an alternative project (as happened with the PAK-FA or Armata), the content of the comments will immediately change and the patriots will demand the immediate construction of their own stealth destroyer and will tell how cool it is: to have a stealth coating on the ship and distributed power plant. The Russian stealth destroyer will, of course, be much better in all respects (even if it remains to exist in the form of an unfinished prototype - in defiance of serial Zumvolts), and in general this is our idea, it was invented in the USSR (everything good was invented in the USSR, that weren’t invented in the USSR, they were invented before it in Tsarist Russia), but the Americans stole it (they themselves are stupid, they can’t come up with anything) and turned it into metal (because they robbed half the world and turn on the printing press)
  63. +5
    November 15, 2015
    I don’t understand this reaction from VO readers to this ship.
    Wouldn't it be more correct to simply observe it, draw conclusions and apply the results in your own shipbuilding?
    Most of the comments are just emotions of irritation, and not any interesting thoughts.
  64. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Honestly, I’m very interested in where it was built? Support the landing of troops? It won’t be able to, landing craft are not stealth and in any case they will be sunk first. Bite coastal defense? he won’t fire more than 2 or 3 shots, he will show himself and they will quickly find him and drown him.
    AUG support? Well, why does it have stealth then if the aircraft carrier is visible?
    Practice the combat use of the latest defense systems? Sorry, isn't it a bit expensive? Stuff a ship with a bunch of systems of questionable effectiveness and not know where it can be used?
    Does anyone know about plans for use? It’s very interesting. Why turn this up?
    1. +1
      November 15, 2015
      This is an attack destroyer - its task is to detect and destroy. Read the composition of the weapons again. Previously, such tasks were assigned to cruisers, but due to their exorbitant rise in cost, the construction of the latter was abandoned.
  65. 0
    November 15, 2015
    It somehow reminds me of this F-117 iron. Scary and expensive. That one was shot down and this one will sink like a darling.
  66. +1
    November 15, 2015
    Clear dreadnought. I am glad that at least someone on this planet is moving forward and experimenting. It may not always be 100% successful. It will be interesting to see him at work.
  67. +1
    November 15, 2015
    It seems to me that you are wasting your time over the structure of the ship’s hull. Judging by the picture, such a hull will “cut” the wave well. This means that even with a large wave there will be no loss of speed, no shocks or shaking, and also less load on the hull (which can even lead to a break). I don’t know this. according to rumors.
  68. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Some kind of mausoleum...
  69. 0
    November 15, 2015
    You can see the pictures of Hollywood haunting the Pentagon developers. laughing
    1. 0
      November 15, 2015
      Most likely, upbringing affects comics. And no matter how their technology proves itself in battle, it moves forward. Even ours.
  70. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Quote: armored optimist
    And how much is it needed, this invisibility? In the radio range, it glows like a stadium light tower in the night desert.


    And he, Dear Colleague, due to the high cost, will be operated exclusively in “radio silence” mode, and the radar will probably not be turned on either, because it’s an expensive toy, if instead of the 32 planned, only 3 are put into operation. wassat
    Although I admit the idea that not everyone in the US Navy decided to stop at these three “dreadnoughts”, for use exclusively in the show “Who is the coolest in the world.”
    Maybe, colleague Armored Optimist, there is such a version? lol
  71. 0
    November 15, 2015
    In the photo you can see the cruiser Aurora, but only from the 2017st century. Will he shoot at the White House in November XNUMX?
  72. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Combat lasers and railguns will be mounted on the destroyer. And the Death Star, where would we be without it?
  73. 0
    November 15, 2015
    Stealth technologies? Maximum automation? 140 crew??? A company of Marines and to board him!!! angry
  74. +2
    November 15, 2015
    Interesting idea. There's stealth, there's railgun. Of course, if there is a lot of money, why not have fun. And frankly, the first cell phones weighed over 30 kg. Regarding “..why are they doing this while we are sleeping..” I remembered how, after the launch of Caliber from the Caspian Sea, one military expert argued until he was hoarse that this could not happen and would still be arguing if one taciturn a person from the defense industry did not tell him on one TV show that not everything is told even to military experts.
  75. 0
    November 17, 2015
    what the heck is this......

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