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The destroyer "Zumwalt" for the first time will go to sea in early December

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The newest American destroyer Zumwalt will soon be put to sea for the first time to be tested, it reports Flotprom message agency newsader.




“We are at the construction stage when production has almost come to an end. The ship was built, ”said US Navy spokesman Sean Stackley. “The first release is scheduled for December 7.”

“In the course of the upcoming sea trials, Zumwalt will visit Portland (Maine) several times, where a change of engineers will be on board. At the end of the test voyage, the ship will return to the shipyard in Bath, which it will then - next year - leave and head to the port of San Diego (California). It is there that the installation of most combat and control systems, as well as radar and other sensors, will be completed, while the hull of the vessel, its mechanical and electrical systems were built in the state of Maine, ”the newspaper writes.

The ship was laid in 2008 at the General Dynamics shipyard (city of Bath) and built by Bath Iron Works (BIW).

Destroyer length - 182,9 m, width - 24,6 m, displacement - 13,2 thousand tons.

“Radio absorbing materials with a thickness of about one inch, which enclosed the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas. This circumstance, coupled with other elements of "stealth" technologies that are actively used on the ship, ensure the maximum secrecy of the destroyer, ”the agency said.

According to him, the ship "carries onboard weapons, including 20 universal Mk-57 launchers with a total capacity of 80 missiles of various classes: these can be Tomahawk missiles, ASROC anti-submarine missiles, or ESSM anti-aircraft missiles." In addition, on its deck there are two artillery launchers in caliber 30 and 155 mm.

It is possible that combat lasers and railguns will be mounted on the destroyer.

According to the report, on ships of this class “AN / SPY-3 radars will be installed, which, as tests have shown, successfully detect several airborne objects simultaneously, which will allow the use of destroyers of this series also as naval forces providing zonal missile defense and air defense for multipurpose carrier groups american fleet».

The destroyer is equipped with a new generation power plant - a combined diesel-gas turbine engine with full electric propulsion.

“This is the so-called“ all-electric ship ”principle when a common primary source is used to generate electricity, which provides both the movement of the vessel and the power supply to all ship systems without exception. The maximum capacity of the installation is 79 MW, ”the agency writes.

The destroyer is as automated as possible, so its crew is relatively small - 140 people. On board can be based three UAVs and one helicopter.

The publication notes that the Pentagon initially planned to order 32 of such a ship, "but in the end this number was reduced to three due to the high cost of new experimental technologies."
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  1. avt
    avt 15 November 2015 11: 25 New
    16
    We are waiting for an ode to the sea voyage from Oleg Kaptsov on the site. laughing
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 15 November 2015 11: 29 New
      +1
      Type awesome design!

      We need your "Stells-design" - in BAR`o`BANU! soldier
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      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 15 November 2015 11: 40 New
        25
        The destroyer is futuristic looking. As far as it is invisible, a meeting with our ships or planes will show. If the same as that of the F-35, then the next budget cut ...
        1. Secta
          Secta haki 15 November 2015 11: 47 New
          +6
          And before that, what has he been doing for so many years? Cannon shooting on the ground like this F-35?
          1. Kos_kalinki9
            Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 13: 13 New
            +8
            I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. As tolerant and symbolic.
            1. poquello
              poquello 15 November 2015 13: 33 New
              +6
              Quote: Kos_kalinki9
              I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. As tolerant and symbolic.

              not very similar only
              1. Kos_kalinki9
                Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 13: 43 New
                +2
                Quote: poquello
                Quote: Kos_kalinki9
                I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. As tolerant and symbolic.

                not very similar only

                Well, we stretch our legs for clothes. But pathos in Ukraine about the descent was more than in the USA.
                1. Temples
                  Temples 15 November 2015 15: 25 New
                  +7
                  With all my heart I wish him to explode to the dog’s bans.
                  Yes, so what would be in small pieces.
                  On kraynyak stupidly sink.
                  1. kote119
                    kote119 15 November 2015 15: 42 New
                    +3
                    You are ahead of the bloodthirstiness of Ganibal Lector belay
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 15 November 2015 15: 45 New
                      +7
                      And to hell with him with Ganibal.
                      If the SGA consider us their main enemy, then to fight with whom is this death machine created ???
                      With Ganibal or Hollywood?
                      So I write a wish from the heart. Why should I bother? I am not a politician.
                      1. kote119
                        kote119 15 November 2015 17: 34 New
                        +2
                        while peacetime, and the sailors don’t even need the opponent’s country, to wish for this, there will be a battle then everything will fall into place
                  2. Throw
                    Throw 15 November 2015 16: 02 New
                    +7
                    Land you soul ..)
                    Beautiful yacht! Only put the mast!
                    laughing

                    But in fact, this is not a battle ship, but in fact, a laboratory ship with a very high percentage of new technical solutions, despite the traditional cries of "drank it!"

                    Therefore, I wish him to go through a full cycle of tests, with a detailed fixation of the results, which will allow us not to jump on a rake hitherto unknown.

                    At the same time, I’ll check my assumption how his nose works in a wave.

                    So seven feet under the bottom. Until.. wink
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                    2. Temples
                      Temples 15 November 2015 16: 20 New
                      +5
                      Have a nice one you too!!! drinks
                      And the ship looks ugly. Really iron.
                      This is in my opinion on land))))
                      1. Throw
                        Throw 15 November 2015 16: 54 New
                        +2
                        Yachting hello to you too! drinks
                        And on the topic "why Zamvolt" iron "I even got a note here: http://topwar.ru/61575-ezhi-shtevni-i-zumvolt.html
                        wink
                      2. Temples
                        Temples 15 November 2015 18: 05 New
                        +2
                        So read here.
                        Thank you!
                        I think somewhere I already saw this nose ...
                        -What do you dream of the cruiser Aurora ...)))
                2. Yuri from Volgograd
                  Yuri from Volgograd 15 November 2015 19: 10 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Temples
                  With all my heart I wish him to explode to the dog’s bans.
                  Yes, so what would be in small pieces.
                  On kraynyak stupidly sink.

                  Is it that simple?
                  I am opposed, let it stand up to the budget so that f35 seemed a trinket)
                  Then they themselves will cut into bolts))
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 16 November 2015 02: 09 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
                    I am opposed, let it stand up to the budget so that f35 seemed a trinket)

                    On the question of what some forum users say, "as much as the Americans want, they will draw as much money to buy as they like F-35, Zimvoltov, Sivulfov and so on ...
                    No, guys, it’s harmful to endlessly print money paper! They wanted 32 Zimvolts, but limited themselves to three, wanted (if memory serves) 700 F-22, and did 189 ... I think the application for 1500 F-35 will ultimately decrease significantly.
          2. LEX SU
            LEX SU 16 November 2015 02: 13 New
            +1
            I was waiting for Ukraine to finish building its boat. Launched on the water in one day. How tolerant and symbolic

            And the BUDGET must have been mastered the same yes
      3. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 15 November 2015 11: 53 New
        +9
        And how much is it needed, this invisibility? In the radio range, it glows like a stadium light tower in the night desert.
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 15 November 2015 12: 39 New
          +7
          In the radio range, it glows like

          This is the Americans’s saving on everything now, and our electronic engineers make such emitters for locators that birds flying by are fried. And this "stealth" iron will be visible to us in all details. Besides, he’s hefty like a house, miss him - well, it’s very difficult. The most effective one is small, maneuverable ... And it’s all electric, there’s probably all of electronics there, but they have already learned to fight it ...
          1. kote119
            kote119 15 November 2015 13: 57 New
            0
            straight legs - the grill falls onto the deck, and what are our ships fighting with electronics?
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin 16 November 2015 01: 45 New
              0
              and what are our ships fighting with electronics?

              I don’t know with what and what the ships are fighting there, but if the SU-24 is an old jammer, it’s creeping up on their electromechanics, along with electronics, even their favorite iPhones with iPads will stop working ... laughing
        2. clidon
          clidon 15 November 2015 13: 31 New
          +4
          In the radio silence mode, why will it “glow”?
          1. lablizn
            lablizn 15 November 2015 19: 39 New
            0
            And what is the use of it in the radio silence mode?
            He will not see a damn thing, but only on acoustics to rely on acoustics is very doubtful. In addition, the gas turbine engine roars like a bull!
            1. clidon
              clidon 18 November 2015 22: 56 New
              -1
              Well, Aegis and all things. In passive mode, it will receive information about targets and strike.
      4. poquello
        poquello 15 November 2015 11: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The destroyer is futuristic looking. ...

        among icebergs it’s convenient to hide
        1. sinukvl
          sinukvl 15 November 2015 12: 14 New
          +7
          Yeah, if the iceberg does not ram this device.
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 November 2015 12: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: sinukvl
            Yeah, if the iceberg does not ram this device.

            so again conveniently, on an iceberg it is possible to dare
          2. BMP-2
            BMP-2 15 November 2015 13: 08 New
            +4
            We look forward to further results of sea trials and news headlines of the form: “Zumvolt” unnoticed by the iceberg went down like “Titanic”, which did not notice the iceberg!
        2. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 15 November 2015 13: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: oleg-gr
          The destroyer is futuristic looking. ...

          among icebergs it’s convenient to hide

          Are you hinting at the Titanic?
          1. poquello
            poquello 15 November 2015 13: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: Kos_kalinki9
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: oleg-gr
            The destroyer is futuristic looking. ...

            among icebergs it’s convenient to hide

            Are you hinting at the Titanic?

            wait and see, of course, but I have a hunch that this iceberg will not be needed
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 15 November 2015 23: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: poquello
              wait and see, of course, but I have a hunch that this iceberg will not be needed

              Zumvolt waiting for the fate of the F-117? Poyuzut, tally, tear.
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      6. Maxom75
        Maxom75 15 November 2015 16: 06 New
        +1
        I won’t say anything about stealth, but full electric movement is interesting. In fact, it turns out an electrostation on the water.
      7. katalonec2014
        katalonec2014 15 November 2015 17: 59 New
        +2
        I am somewhat confused by its seaworthiness, it is incomprehensible that the reverse tilt stem works in conditions of strong excitement. Interestingly, did they run around its model in the main pool? It may have severe restrictions on use in storm conditions.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 15 November 2015 21: 30 New
          +1
          You probably know more, engineering background? Tell me, at least the forecast, swimming in the northern latitudes for him how? Low temperature, icing, etc.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 16 November 2015 02: 05 New
          0
          It was not only run in the pool, but a special warhead was tested for a nearby explosion. Allegedly not drowning ...
      8. Sterlya
        Sterlya 15 November 2015 20: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The destroyer is futuristic looking. As far as it is invisible, a meeting with our ships or planes will show. If the same as that of the F-35, then the next budget cut ...

        So they don’t earn those dollars. They do not care to spend a couple of hundred billion. It's all about the image. That's all kinds of wood-waffles being built, maybe it’s good to get it. I wish them to continue the same. When the inexhaustible-looking stream of money stops, God forbid another, more intelligent state to take their place. And this last x ... eat without salt.
      9. Orionvit
        Orionvit 15 November 2015 20: 47 New
        +1
        It will be the same as with the famous stealth F-117 after the first combat use in Yugoslavia. Those beaten to hell, these drown. Let dumb Arabs be scared by their destroyer.
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    3. Duke
      Duke 15 November 2015 11: 57 New
      15
      Zamwalt class guide missile destroyers are a new type of destroyer of the US Navy with missile weapons (also formerly known as DD (X)), with emphasis on coastal and ground targets. This type is a smaller version of the ships of the DD-21 program, the financing of which was discontinued. The first Zumwalt class destroyer, DDG-1000, was launched on October 29, 2013. The destroyers of this series are multi-purpose and are designed to attack the enemy on the coast, combat enemy aircraft and provide fire support to troops from the sea.
      The program is named after the admiral, head of naval operations Elmo R. Zumwalt.
      CHARACTERISTICS
      Displacement - 14564 tons;
      Length - 182,8 m;
      Width - 24,5 m;
      Draught - 8,5 m;
      The main power plant - combined with a capacity of 106080 hp;
      Speed ​​- 30 nodes;
      Crew - 142 person
      ARMAMENT
      Impact rocket 20 x UVK Mk.57 for 80 Tomahawk, ASROC or ESSM missiles
      Anti-aircraft missile SAM RIM-162 ESSM and SM-2MR
      Artillery weapons:
      -2 G— 155 mm AGS AU (920 rounds, of which 600 in automatic loaders)
      - 2 G - 57 mm AC Mk. 110
      Anti-submarine weapons:
      - anti-submarine missiles RUM-139 VL-Asroc
      - 2 x 3 - 324 mm TA
      Air Force 2 x Helicopter SH-60 LAMPS or 3 x UAV MQ-8 Fire Scout
      Radar weapons radar AN / SPY-3


      1. aba
        aba 15 November 2015 12: 32 New
        +4


        As life shows, realities are always different from program statements and advertising booklets. So, wait and see! ;)
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 15 November 2015 12: 52 New
          12
          Ouch! But it's cool ... doesn’t it remind you of anything? Yes, this is a return to the roots, so to speak ....... Here is the battle of the Monitor and Merrimack during the American Civil War
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 15 November 2015 13: 11 New
            +7
            Pretty much like an iron. And from associations - for some reason, the people's mind: “an ax is floating on the river from the village of Kukuev, well, let him swim ...”
          2. SALLAK
            SALLAK 16 November 2015 08: 35 New
            0
            100% recalls, as I saw, I remembered this miracle of the military genius of the Civil War ...))
      2. i80186
        i80186 15 November 2015 12: 47 New
        12
        Quote: Duke
        Displacement - 14564 tons;
        Length - 182,8 m;
        Width - 24,5 m;
        Draught - 8,5 m;

        In size with a yacht of Abromovich. It is long, displacement. Even there are as many helicopters, but Abromovich has his own submarine on the yacht and has 4 boats. In general, I do not impress Zamvolt. The TTX comparison needs to be more complete, well, there’s an article like - "Zumwalt" vs "Eclips", who will win the battle? laughing
        1. Throw
          Throw 15 November 2015 16: 47 New
          +2
          Kaptsov will win of course! laughing
      3. kote119
        kote119 15 November 2015 17: 36 New
        +1
        TTX is not a ship but a song
      4. Alex777
        Alex777 16 November 2015 01: 59 New
        0
        A small clarification: according to the latest data, for some reason 57mm guns broke off and instead they put 2 30mm guns. And cry)))
    4. timurpl
      timurpl 15 November 2015 12: 24 New
      +7
      Let's be objective, cool jerk!
    5. cniza
      cniza 15 November 2015 12: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: Baikonur
      Type awesome design!



      The nose on Aurora looks like laughing , and then we'll see if it will be a revolution and which one.
    6. kepmor
      kepmor 15 November 2015 14: 07 New
      14
      You, dear Baikonur, may be a drum, because you are unlikely to get this destroyer in the "Kazakh steppes"! But for our "naval people" who really serve on the hardware, and not on the couch with a bottle of beer, this is very unpleasant news, like any other, about the increase in the number of ships of the probable enemy. And given the lack of surface ships of such a "technological level" in our Navy, it simply makes us sad and sad. Talk with the naval officers and you will significantly decrease "urapatriotism." The Yankees made a strong move in the field of military shipbuilding with this ship. As a "naval", I’ll say one thing: I would serve with great pride and great desire on the Russian analogue of this Zumwalt, because such ships and technologies have the future! And denying this is absolutely stupid! We have already denied genetics with cybernetics, and now we’re “swallowing dust from the shoes of the United States, Japanese, and even Chinese,” but at the same time, “we continue to sit on the PIPE with an even booty” led by GDP!
      1. Fafnir
        Fafnir 15 November 2015 14: 44 New
        +6
        Dear, before talking about the ban on “cybernetics” and repeating the stupid myth of liberals, ask that exactly implied by this term during the ban. wassat And yes, “cybernetics” is prohibited, but “computer technology” is not.
      2. basal
        basal 15 November 2015 15: 27 New
        +7
        Excuse me, how do you know about the technology of this superfood of the latest pepelats? Well, if you know - advertise, read and marvel. So far we are seeing something of dubious appearance (seaworthiness) and quality (actually, before this "miracle" the staff had a project of 100 thousand tons of barges with missiles). Forgive me again, but in terms of combat qualities, the link of the old Tu-95 surpasses this miracle of the US military industry completely. Question price?
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov 15 November 2015 20: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: basal
          Excuse me, how do you know about the technology of this superfood of the latest pepelats? Well, if you know - advertise, read and marvel.


          I know far from everything, but this pepelats was the first to implement an algorithm for distributing energy resource (electricity) between consumers: an information block, an electronic warfare block, a ship movement and control block. Several frequency ranges with different accuracy, resolution and naturally pay for this pleasure - energy intensity are involved in obtaining information. The optimal use of energy allows not only to reduce radiated energy - and this is stealth, but also to reduce the time of detection, tracking and recognition to achieve the required accuracy characteristics of determining the location of the target. The one who sees the goal first will destroy it - this is the problem. I dealt with this issue in the 90s. In 95 he defended his candidacy, but the topic did not go further, and they cut through into a real embodiment. It's a shame.
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 15 November 2015 21: 34 New
          0
          Explain how he will feel in the northern latitudes?
    7. Observer2014
      Observer2014 15 November 2015 16: 58 New
      +2
      I want to ask one question wildly! And this “Zumwalt” was really going to “nightmare” coastal zones with its guns ?! And while it costs so much! .Then 32 ships were planned, so build !!!
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 15 November 2015 11: 30 New
    20
    The goal is good ... Accepted! good
    1. kote119
      kote119 15 November 2015 11: 50 New
      +3
      why the boat is Hindu?
  3. Civil
    Civil 15 November 2015 11: 31 New
    +3
    140 people .. wow
  4. lelikas
    lelikas 15 November 2015 11: 31 New
    12
    To the big ship - a big torpedo!
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 15 November 2015 11: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: lelikas
      To the big ship - a big torpedo!

      For this
      fully electric ship
      a fairly simple electromagnetic bomb (mine) or an EMP gun with a vircator. Interestingly, the Zumwalt radio-absorbing coating will explode or just melt from instant overheating?
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 November 2015 12: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Quote: lelikas
        To the big ship - a big torpedo!

        For this
        fully electric ship
        a fairly simple electromagnetic bomb (mine) or an EMP gun with a vircator. Interestingly, the Zumwalt radio-absorbing coating will explode or just melt from instant overheating?

        they will add 150 kayak oars and folding seats
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 November 2015 12: 35 New
          +3
          [/ Quote]
          they will add to the set of 150 kayak oars and folding seats [/ quote]


          I think they still have sails, or maybe he is also in the underwater position of something ... maybe we'll wait.
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          2. poquello
            poquello 15 November 2015 12: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: cniza

            I think they still have sails, or maybe he is also in the underwater position of something ... maybe we'll wait.

            Type in an inverted position turns into a sailboat?
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 15 November 2015 18: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Vita VKO
        electromagnetic bomb (mines) or EMP guns with vircator

        EMP guns or electromagnetic bombs - this is only within the line of sight. But if the delivery vehicle has reached Zumvolt’s direct line of sight, then it’s more efficient to use a conventional cumulative or high-explosive contact warhead rather than an EMP bomb on the delivery vehicle.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 15 November 2015 19: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Svetlana
          high-explosive contact warhead, not an EMP bomb

          As you rightly noted for powerful EMP, direct line of sight is enough. At sea, it is 20-25 km, just the standard radius of destruction of an EMP bomb. But for the contact action, the defense system of such a ship will not come close. Not for that billions are being spent on the destroyer, so that it could be so easily destroyed by a rocket or torpedo for 10 thousand.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 16 November 2015 01: 56 New
            +1
            Well, first Amy and then, lacquer, a land mine ..)))
      3. Catafract
        Catafract 15 November 2015 19: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Vita VKO
        EMP guns with vircator

        Before writing such insanity, better think of a sofa strategist ...
  5. marlin1203
    marlin1203 15 November 2015 11: 33 New
    13
    Wow adjusted from 32 to 3 ships ... you see "... what, lieutenant, did the money run out? .." laughing
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 15 November 2015 11: 48 New
      +3
      For the price, he is like an aircraft carrier ... and possible railguns and lasers are especially delivered. laughing
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 November 2015 12: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: marlin1203
      Wow adjusted from 32 to 3 ships ... you see "... what, lieutenant, did the money run out? .."
      "The pan of the chieftain has no gold reserves!" (from)
      Roads become naval wunderwafers! This is true!
      But, it seems to me that the other reason is more significant: the literary capabilities to support the landing on the coast have sharply decreased in view of the fact that the Russian fleet has not completely drowned (as the Pentagon believed), the road is closed to Crimea, the Kaliningrad Region closed the Baltic Straits, but other directions and 3's enough.
  6. 79807420129
    79807420129 15 November 2015 11: 49 New
    13
    Here I am tormented by doubts if the series was reduced from 32 ships to 3, how much dough everyone drank, our bureaucrats are just harmless butterflies compared to mattresses.
    1. cniza
      cniza 15 November 2015 12: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: 79807420129
      Here I am tormented by doubts if the series was reduced from 32 ships to 3, how much dough everyone drank, our bureaucrats are just harmless butterflies compared to mattresses.



      They steal, in absolute terms the same, only ours are in rubles, and they are in dollars. wink
  7. tomket
    tomket 15 November 2015 12: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: avt
    We are waiting for an ode to the sea voyage from Oleg Kaptsov on the site

    The Zumvolt cuts the wave forward, and above it are the jamb of the Squadron f-35 and all this is invisible on the radar and reptilians are sitting in the wheelhouse. And the whole world trembles with breakthrough technologies)
  8. Yorgven
    Yorgven 15 November 2015 13: 07 New
    +5
    Cool pyramid, it’s just not clear, for survivability, will it fight too and close up breakouts? 140 sailors on cruising ships ...
  9. Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 15 November 2015 23: 39 New
    0
    ha, and what is our coloring laughing ?
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 15 November 2015 11: 26 New
    +5
    "... Perhaps, combat lasers will be mounted on the destroyer"

    Captain Larsen, Arizona yacht :-)
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 15 November 2015 11: 26 New
    +3
    Beautiful of course ... and dear!
    1. Altona
      Altona 15 November 2015 11: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Beautiful of course ... and dear!

      -----------------------------
      I don’t know what you saw the beauty in, the hull raises doubts about its seaworthiness, especially this “facet” is prismatic, with a cone up ... I would drag myself ...
      1. cniza
        cniza 15 November 2015 12: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Beautiful of course ... and dear!

        -----------------------------
        I don’t know what you saw the beauty in, the hull raises doubts about its seaworthiness, especially this “facet” is prismatic, with a cone up ... I would drag myself ...



        It looks like it will dig into the wave not childishly, I repeat, maybe he’s also P.L. belay
      2. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 15 November 2015 12: 53 New
        +4
        Doubts are not in the superstructure, but in the bow. What excitement is it designed for? Or a coastal destroyer? One can see in the project more questions than answers. Because the series and cut.
  • marinier
    marinier 15 November 2015 11: 27 New
    +4
    Hello dear!
    On paper it looks menacing if all 4 of the described ones correspond to reality.
    We are waiting for an answer from V.M.F. RUSSIA !!!
    1. Denis DV
      Denis DV 15 November 2015 11: 46 New
      20
      I think it’s alright hi
    2. kepmor
      kepmor 15 November 2015 12: 12 New
      +1
      With the current "rulers" you will NEVER wait! Until now, our USC cannot bring frigates with corvettes to mind, which were designed back in the 90s — then there are no main engines (Ukrainians asked), then the radar doesn’t see a damn, then they forgot a new air defense system for the fleet on time work out, then "pennies" suddenly ended ... In a word, Joseph Illarionovich with Lavrenty Pavlovich is not enough!
      And the sarcastic saliva splashing on the forum was always full, there is and will be, it’s more convenient to move up the “career ladder”. But the Yankees really made a big step into the future with these destroyers, as it’s not sad for us, BUT ... it's worth recognizing. At 14000 displacement, a crew of 140 people is very impressive in the degree of automation. It’s not necessary to deal with shit, but like the Chinese, it’s best to adopt, copy, or steal to the extremes, if time itself
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 15 November 2015 12: 47 New
        +4
        Yes, probably for 14000 tons of 140 people this is how the level of automation of the advanced one shows ................ But for 48000 -160 people in the birthplace of Shark, is it Typhoon -941 project? Is it like what do you think shows?
        1. Angara
          Angara 15 November 2015 13: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Yes, probably for 14000 tons of 140 people this is how the level of automation of the advanced one shows ................ But for 48000 -160 people in the birthplace of Shark, is it Typhoon -941 project? Is it like what do you think shows?

          Based on mathematical logic, feeble Americans have 1 tons per face, and we have 100 for one face. The heroes have never been translated in Russia !!! wink
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 15 November 2015 15: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          .. But for 48000 -160 people in his dear Shark, is she the Typhoon -941 project?

          Is it underwater or above water?
          1. kote119
            kote119 15 November 2015 15: 44 New
            +2
            in the underwater
      2. shuhartred
        shuhartred 15 November 2015 15: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: kepmor
        But the Yankees really made a big step into the future with these destroyers, as it’s not sad for us, BUT ... it's worth recognizing.

        Why are you all sad? The US fleet was already objectively superior at times, well, they got a new wunderwafel, so what? Yes, the latest, but breakthrough and ... tear your hair and rush to catch up? Obviously a loss and we will not catch up and a lot of dough and wasted time. We need to give an answer in those areas where we are traditionally strong. Detection and destruction systems. Mounted even on rubbish such as "Admiral Kulakov" may well put this iron to the bottom. But, of course, to say that the “Zumvolt” g ... is at least stupid and short-sighted and what difference does it make how much dough was sawed, they did the main thing, and then the fight will show hu hu.
      3. basal
        basal 15 November 2015 15: 42 New
        +1
        Dear kepmor, if a sailor pretends to be, tell us how this iron can withstand a storm. Well, I’ll notice that the sea water is salty, you know. How's the stealth cover? If it is not clear, then I remind you that the super cool F-22 after each departure requires three days for maintenance - the "stealth" coating is peeling off))))
      4. Altona
        Altona 15 November 2015 17: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: kepmor
        It’s not necessary to deal with shit, but like the Chinese, it’s best to adopt, copy, or steal to the extremes, if time itself

        -----------------------
        Do you suggest which thread the destroyer Zumvolt or Arly Burke should completely hide? belay
    3. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 15 November 2015 12: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: marinier
      Hello dear!
      On paper it looks menacing if all 4 of the described ones correspond to reality.
      We are waiting for an answer from V.M.F. RUSSIA !!!

      Stop fooling around .. Already not funny! hi
      1. marinier
        marinier 15 November 2015 16: 10 New
        0
        You would have a headdress replaced.
        And vra4u, show.
        Contusia ves sereznaia.
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 15 November 2015 11: 28 New
    +3
    interesting, but with 2-3 points it will not sink?
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 15 November 2015 11: 32 New
      +2
      Avno does not sink.))))
    2. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 15 November 2015 11: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: Babai Balkan
      interesting, but with 2-3 points it will not sink?

      He has a freeboard of at least 8 meters; he will not drown from the wave sweeping.
      But stability .... ???? the case is very interesting.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 November 2015 16: 48 New
        0
        It looks like everything is normal with this ship with stability.
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    4. Bober
      Bober 15 November 2015 11: 40 New
      10
      No. 3 options: Remains as is. Simulates a submarine, as it is. Turns over the superstructure down and takes the form of a classic ship.
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 15 November 2015 11: 31 New
    +3
    He does not walk, he swims, "Zumvelt" entot. yes
  • AUL
    AUL 15 November 2015 11: 33 New
    12
    About one inch thick radar absorbing materials, which enclose the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas
    How is one related to the other?
    1. family
      family tree 15 November 2015 11: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: AUL
      How is one related to the other?

      Duc, by this,
      combined diesel gas turbine engine
      belay
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 15 November 2015 12: 17 New
        0
        Quote: AUL
        How is one related to the other?
        The materials are different. There are radio-conductive plastics that are transparent to the radiation of antennas. And if you install an antenna post in the superstructure (and it does exist) and cover it with such material from the outside, then everything will work and no unmasking protruding parts are needed.
        1. arane
          arane 15 November 2015 12: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Quote: AUL
          How is one related to the other?
          The materials are different. There are radio-conductive plastics that are transparent to the radiation of antennas. And if you install an antenna post in the superstructure (and it does exist) and cover it with such material from the outside, then everything will work and no unmasking protruding parts are needed.


          Antenna post unattended! There are radio-transparent composites! And for a long time. And if this casing of radiolucent material does not exist, what will change? Yes, and the work of the radar is immediately fawn!
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 15 November 2015 13: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: arane
            Yes, and the work of the radar is immediately fawn!
            So after all, they will install a new radar on it and on the Ford aircraft carrier, which:
            Carries out a three-dimensional overview, tracking targets during the scanning process (TWS), target recognition, target designation of weapon systems, weapon control, programming anti-aircraft missile autopilots, target illumination for semi-active homing missiles SM-2 and ESSM. In addition, it allows you to detect the periscopes of submarines, floating mines and other small objects, used as a navigation radar. Can carry out review and tracking of targets in passive mode[1], carry out counter-battery functions [2].
            It has three flat active solid-state phased arrays located in azimuth at an angle of about 120 °, which together cover the entire range of azimuths from 0 to 360 °https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/SPY-3[2].
            That’s why he needs drones, communication with space and the ability to receive external target designation? By the way, the same principle is embodied on the F-35 airplane. This is very dangerous. Somehow, when discussing its characteristics, the VO rolls onto the obser of its flight qualities of a high price tag and completely it’s forgotten what’s inside. I see that a new object of ridicule is appearing. And the same trend: high price and dubious seaworthiness. And what is inside is not important.
    2. arane
      arane 15 November 2015 12: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: AUL
      About one inch thick radar absorbing materials, which enclose the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas
      How is one related to the other?

      No way! Or a stupid translation, or a magazine ...
      1. Rader
        Rader 15 November 2015 12: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: arane
        Quote: AUL
        About one inch thick radar absorbing materials, which enclose the hull and superstructure of the ship, made it possible to minimize the number of protruding antennas
        How is one related to the other?

        Yes, in any way! Or a stupid translation, or a magazine ...

        That's for sure, physics is not written for journalists. wink
        In general, Zumwalt was a failure for the Pentagon. Judging by the initial number of ships planned for the construction, this project was to replace the old man Burke. But it didn’t grow together and the next “white elephant” appeared, in the amount of 3 units (Although there was news recently that they want not to finish the third and cut directly into the stocks)
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    3. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 15 November 2015 12: 57 New
      0
      The flyer was apparently a specialist mattress. Enough for our poopers. They are thrilled.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 November 2015 11: 33 New
    +7
    Can he swim in the ocean? Will not he bury his nose in the wave? And how will his super-duper coating withstand a moderate-intensity storm?
    In my opinion, this is an eructation of the fat times of undivided hegemony, when it was possible to cut the budget with impunity with any projects, because there is no enemy! And not observed. Therefore, whoever moves the project more wonderful and futuristic will win.
  • sever.56
    sever.56 15 November 2015 11: 33 New
    +3
    It looks futuristic, like the F-35, but what will be its real combat qualities - a question. The F-35 was also extolled to the skies, and as a result, so many troubles surfaced, starting with a frantic price, that the Americans did not even know who to fuse it with. I would not be surprised if in a couple of years the Americans will name the sum of the cost of this ship, which will equal the cost of half the aircraft carrier.
  • PQ-18
    PQ-18 15 November 2015 11: 34 New
    0
    What is its EPR (EOP)?
    maybe "in vain SUCH a humpback sculpted" ?! lol
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 15 November 2015 11: 35 New
    +3
    In vain you are so interesting ship. Perhaps this is the new "Dreadnought." Of course, the price goes off scale, but this is the trouble of all new technologies.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 November 2015 12: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Dimon19661
      Maybe this is the new Dreadnought.

      If you talk about everything that was said, it will certainly become a new page in the history of military shipbuilding.
      The railgun and laser are weapons of practically unlimited "ammunition", as are EW stations.
      You can laugh and groan anything you want - it's simple: you don't need a lot of mind. But to look at innovations and their combat use - it’s necessary to strain the “spinal” brain! Unfortunately, not everyone is given.
      1. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 15 November 2015 13: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Railgun and laser are weapons of practically unlimited "ammunition",

        Then you got excited. Restriction on the power and size of the storage capacitor for the railgun and the efficiency for the laser. If everything was so simple with this weapon, then they would have already been used. Ours do silently, without PR, the Americans PR is not particularly becoming more viable. F-35 (and not only) the chapel. For popuars, this is scary, although it is not necessary, for us it does not matter, because there is a nut with a different thread on the tricky bolt. Cheap and effective.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 16 November 2015 20: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Oleg147741
          If everything was so simple with this weapon, then they would have already been used.

          The plane of the Wright brothers was also clumsy and ugly. The Yankees have already put a pilot plant on the DKVD.
          The U.S. Navy has developed a new laser capable of destroying small ships and drones. His trials, which took place in the Persian Gulf in December 2014, according to the military, "exceeded expectations." The laser was mounted on a landing dock type Ponce, located in the Persian Gulf. The tests were carried out for four months.

          Before that, a message flashed and disappeared about the destruction of the BR at D = 80km (!) They shot an impressive film about the railgun ... So, there is a suspicion that things are slowly but surely moving to the practical ending ... We have the same.
      2. Fafnir
        Fafnir 15 November 2015 22: 10 New
        +2
        Yeah. Ammunition is not limited, and the trunks for the railgun? How many guns can stand one barrel there?
  • izya top
    izya top 15 November 2015 11: 35 New
    +2
    which case is interesting ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 15 November 2015 11: 36 New
    +8
    They build bastards at the expense of the whole world ..... And they themselves are in debt like in silk ...!
    1. protos187
      protos187 15 November 2015 11: 59 New
      +7
      The view is awesome! Not when I had not seen such a huge metal coffin.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 November 2015 16: 51 New
      0
      You only do not confuse government debt with the debts of private companies and corporations.
  • S-cream
    S-cream 15 November 2015 11: 37 New
    11
    And yet, the decision on the back of the ship’s bow seems to me, at least, strange. When moving, despite any tricks, the ship will "bury" under water. Those. the resistance will increase, which causes a greater load on the propulsion systems, it is necessary to come up with a system that compensates for the nasal roll with this "burying". In general, such a nose shape, kmk, was chosen not because of some innovative solutions, but because the new American should look cool. Those. Not only engineers worked on the project, but also image makers.
    1. AUL
      AUL 15 November 2015 11: 41 New
      10
      Apparently, they calculated the wave impedance in different modes. They are, of course, “well, dumb”, but not so much as to lower parameters for the sake of a futuristic appearance!
    2. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 15 November 2015 11: 42 New
      +4
      Well, yes, you’re right, they swelled billions for research and development, and came up with such heresy, and you only slightly sold your sofa and issued an axiom ...
      1. S-cream
        S-cream 15 November 2015 11: 51 New
        +2
        I am pushing a chair. This is not the case. I sprinkled a little here. The main reason Internet experts call the need to reflect the radio waves up. The second reason is called that such a solution has the best seaworthiness in a turbulent sea. And even the videos give a similar solution. I'll bring him too. Pay attention to what height had to be done so that the ship does not overflow. One thing is certain - the load on the ship’s structure when it is cut into the wave is lower.
        1. VP
          VP 15 November 2015 12: 15 New
          0
          Why reflect up?
          To make it easier to detect from planes and to make anti-ship missiles easier to induce?
          1. S-cream
            S-cream 15 November 2015 12: 50 New
            0
            I really don’t know, to be honest. Probably, in this decision there is also the work of very clever minds, who thought through and calculated everything.
    3. arane
      arane 15 November 2015 12: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: S-cream
      And yet, the decision on the back of the ship’s bow seems to me, at least, strange. When moving, despite any tricks, the ship will "bury" under water. Those. the resistance will increase, which causes a greater load on the propulsion systems, it is necessary to come up with a system that compensates for the nasal roll with this "burying". In general, such a nose shape, kmk, was chosen not because of some innovative solutions, but because the new American should look cool. Those. Not only engineers worked on the project, but also image makers.

      Why did you decide that the ship would certainly dig into the water? The shape of the nose does not affect the law of Archimedes.
      A roll on the bow, as well as on the stern, is called trim
      1. S-cream
        S-cream 15 November 2015 12: 49 New
        +1
        If we consider the law of Archimedes, as applied to the vessel, as a material point, then I agree with you. However, in this case one cannot approach such measures. I’m telling you as a person who looked a lot like inflatable boats such as a sports catamaran, a tourist and a tourist along the rugged mountain rivers of high and highest complexity.
        Will bury, because the ship tapers towards the deck, i.e. during movement, the incident wave will act on the vessel, including its mass. And the greater the speed, the greater the weight of the water pressing on the front of the vessel.
        What is trim and what happens, I know, thanks. And what is more correct in this case to speak not the nose, but the stem, because we are discussing exactly its inclination.
        1. arane
          arane 15 November 2015 13: 24 New
          +3
          All the same, there is not much difference. Any ship buries in a big wave. This is due to a change in gravity and archimedes. Imagine a hollow pipe 100 m long. If it has one end buried, the other will rise. As a result, the Archimedean force pushing the vessel up in the bow will be greater than gravity, and in the stern, on the contrary, the system will return to its original position. Here is the same thing. The only difference is that the vessel’s tank with such a stem design in a storm will flood heavily, like in a submarine, it’s better not to be there.
          Yes, even with this design, a large draft is very important, this vessel seems to have 8 meters! It’s enough for the ship to cut the wave, and not climb over it
          1. Throw
            Throw 15 November 2015 16: 43 New
            +1
            I will say a few other words, climbing the big wave is provided by buoyancy, and the passage through small and medium - the form of the stem and the collapse of the sides of the nasal extremity, which reduces the slimming. I already wrote a small opus on this topic:
            http://topwar.ru/61575-ezhi-shtevni-i-zumvolt.html
            There, in the video, the balance of these qualities in yachts is visible.
            hi
      2. TVM - 75
        TVM - 75 15 November 2015 13: 06 New
        0
        Two characteristics - germination on a wave and wave resistance. More A.N. Krylov concluded that this form was irrational. Wait and see.
    4. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 November 2015 12: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: S-cream
      Compensating nasal roll with this "burying".
      Roll - this is when "on board", right or left. And here is the trim (for flyers - pitch), as you write - on the nose.
      Another thing is interesting. At Zumvolt, all the air inlets in the superstructure are withdrawn. What if a fire?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +4
    Americans generally do not produce cheap weapons, and this is just a masterpiece.
    Now, as with the B-2 Spirit, they don’t know what to do with it, because the Herods can sink, and then there’s a lot of money, all the technology, they can steal bad luck again. That's where the B-2 Spirit are at the airfields, and the main horse anyway F-16 Fighting Falcon
  • McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 15 November 2015 11: 41 New
    0
    The design is super! Americans know how to make beautiful packaging for Mr. Aries
  • ilija93
    ilija93 15 November 2015 11: 42 New
    +4
    It reminds me of a modern galley. The main thing is to lean on the oars. Well, they have enough of the president’s fellow tribesmen, even with an engineering background. smile
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 15 November 2015 11: 42 New
    +6
    it would be interesting to see how such a shnobel enters the wave.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 15 November 2015 11: 47 New
      0
      And they didn’t hear about the bulb on the nose, don’t ... So there’s even more shnobel, and nothing — the whole tanker, container carrier, partially dry cargo ship, and the navy, they go like that normally, and they also save fuel.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 15 November 2015 11: 49 New
    -4
    Normal target for our Bastions. His test in the Black Sea, and the crew of diapers to download more. hi
  • Chak
    Chak 15 November 2015 11: 50 New
    +1
    And why does Abramovich not have such a yacht? Where will his wives give birth to heirs? Shame on you, Roman Arkadevich!
    1. S-cream
      S-cream 15 November 2015 11: 54 New
      +6
      Not Abramovich, but still.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 15 November 2015 12: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: S-cream
        Not Abramovich, but still.

        Oh, nah ..! This is a yacht for relaxation, not for showdown
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 15 November 2015 11: 50 New
    +1
    on the An-2 we catch a barrel of paint under the belly and quietly, quietly a few meters above the culture ... oh! .. over water creeping III Bats !!! arrange a second shift, it becomes noticeable! ))))
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 15 November 2015 11: 50 New
    0
    on the An-2 we catch a barrel of paint under the belly and quietly, quietly a few meters above the culture ... oh! .. over water creeping III Bats !!! arrange a second shift, it becomes noticeable! ))))
  • TOR2
    TOR2 15 November 2015 11: 51 New
    +1
    To a big ship - a big torpedo!
  • Wiruz
    Wiruz 15 November 2015 11: 51 New
    +8
    Well, whatever the patriots say about Zamvolt, no matter how they call it an “iron,” the fact remains: the United States has an ocean fleet. Britain has, China, even India has something planned. And with us? .. And with us, the deadlines for the delivery of frigates are already being postponed 100500 times, I generally will not say anything about laying destroyers request
  • protos187
    protos187 15 November 2015 11: 55 New
    -1
    I do not know how you gentlemen this design? But it reminds me of IRON, and irons, as you know, do not stay on the water!
    1. roskot
      roskot 15 November 2015 12: 28 New
      +1
      Absolutely at the top.
  • Tujh
    Tujh 15 November 2015 11: 58 New
    +7
    “This is the so-called principle "all-electric ship"when a common primary source is used to generate electricity, which provides both the movement of the vessel and the power supply to all ship systems without exception. Maximum installation power - 79 MV

    A large number of electrical consumers in an “all-electric vehicle” means higher radiation in various frequency spectra. And an inch radio-absorbing casing will not save, because enhanced absorption in one spectrum means transparency in another. It is not possible to make absorption equally effective over the entire range. So, to detect such a “wunderwafer”, it is desirable to use passive radar means, so as not to be the first to be detected.
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 15 November 2015 11: 59 New
    +1
    I wonder if they gave the designer of this PASudina a purple heart for managing to teach this iron to SWIM! At one time, the designer of the F-117 was so deceived. It is necessary for him to cook up a medal.
    1. S-cream
      S-cream 15 November 2015 12: 05 New
      +4
      purple heart for injured give. Do you mean that the designer was injured in the brain?
  • hannibal lecter
    hannibal lecter 15 November 2015 11: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: armored optimist
    it would be interesting to see how such a shnobel enters the wave.

    It’s better to see if he leaves from there. :-) Fight on such an expensive destroyer that in the 90s, fight in a leather jacket. Not scary if against the Papuans, but keep it away from the Russians.
  • kote119
    kote119 15 November 2015 12: 00 New
    +1
    I can’t understand what they attacked this building, they’re even building, researching, and for the most part we’re traveling around the exhibitions with mock-ups, when we launch something new like this ship, we can wake up screaming that they have r ... oh, and we have no equivalent taxes
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 November 2015 12: 52 New
      0
      The main thing is to build what is needed for effective defense.
      1. Sega66
        Sega66 15 November 2015 17: 17 New
        0
        Like - a little "pasudin", well, with a very long "hand"?
  • protos187
    protos187 15 November 2015 12: 00 New
    0
    I do not know how you gentlemen this design? But it reminds me of IRON, and irons, as you know, do not stay on water.
  • dsi
    dsi 15 November 2015 12: 00 New
    0
    And so that we would not "see" him, our flag is painted.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 15 November 2015 12: 02 New
    0
    According to the OBS, they say that the entot steamboat can dive when the Russian Navy appears on the horizon. Well, they don’t say anything about diving from the bottom. Life will show after the rumors from the OBS (one woman said).
  • VP
    VP 15 November 2015 12: 03 New
    +1
    Some ugliness
  • Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 15 November 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    ... CALIBRATE, would it .... laughing
  • guzik007
    guzik007 15 November 2015 12: 15 New
    +2
    Seven thousand feet above the keel.
  • cte-power
    cte-power 15 November 2015 12: 17 New
    +1
    It’s necessary to bring down this bastard country with a vigorous mom
    otherwise we don’t have enough people or dough
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 November 2015 16: 57 New
      0
      Just before you bring the United States a nuclear mom, you need to consider that they, too, can beat us very well, and more than twice as much, in the total capacity of nuclear charges, than we do with them.
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 15 November 2015 22: 45 New
        +1
        The doctrine of our strategic nuclear forces is a retaliatory strike. So it’s not for Amers to worry about the retaliatory strike, but for us. What we do. Yes, our arsenal is inferior to the American. But we can make a good part of the United States uninhabitable for a hundred or two years. This is an unacceptable loss. Why they have not discharged their arsenal yet. And Prapor answered well to the desire to “bang.”
  • onix757
    onix757 15 November 2015 12: 19 New
    +4
    This is certainly an achievement. Even if the ship does not go into production, it serves as an excellent technology demonstrator. I wish our efficient managers to finally master the production of gas turbines and complete the construction of the Zvezda shipyard / long-term construction, otherwise we will remain sitting at the remnants of the USSR fleet but proudly call ourselves world power.
  • yan 2015
    yan 2015 15 November 2015 12: 21 New
    0
    as they say in the people. the devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
    1. poquello
      poquello 15 November 2015 12: 33 New
      0
      Quote: yan 2015
      as they say in the people. the devil is not so terrible as he is painted.

      as they say - ugly does not work, but this bucket is ugly
  • roskot
    roskot 15 November 2015 12: 30 New
    0
    For each ass there is horseradish with a screw.
  • Nymp
    Nymp 15 November 2015 12: 32 New
    0
    The more the trough, the more difficult it is to miss! soldier
  • LINKor55
    LINKor55 15 November 2015 12: 32 New
    0
    I think it was conceived for immersion !!! And for a long timeooooooo!
    And yet: what nafig technology stealth? Who remembers what it is (differently inclined ribs on the surface in order to exclude direct reflection of the radar beam), then it is useless on water. Moreover. given that our radars use different meters of waves (dtsm, m, etc.) then everyone will see it. Our missile defense planes also use two to three wave scans. if they have covered modern radar equipment (for example, in the DMC range). then they will see him in the meter, if on the contrary - the same picture is a side view.
    As for the coating in inch carbon fiber (2,5 cm), then they can also hide only an inch of metal, the rest of the iron on the water will also be visible! and then, such “invisibility” until the first shot from him.
    So I support the opinion that this craft was rather created taking into account science fiction films, with the help of image makers, etc.
    1. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 15 November 2015 13: 34 New
      0
      do not carry nonsense
  • Hyperboreas
    Hyperboreas 15 November 2015 12: 33 New
    -4
    Destroyer as automated as possible


    EW strike will turn this "squadron" into a pile of useless electronics in a tin can
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 15 November 2015 13: 28 New
      +5
      First you need to approach him at the range of effective use of electronic warfare, and this is in the best scenario, at least 50 km. But will he want in a battle to let the carrier of these funds (plane, ship) to such a distance? I think no...
      Here at the forum, the “couch general” generally “lost the coast” because of an ardent desire to pour as much bile as possible on the “Zumvlat”, and in vain, the real military never belittle the potential enemy’s capabilities. precaution, especially since the Yankees will experience all the latest weapons systems on it and sooner or later will bring it “to mind.” And our fleet will receive a very strong enemy at sea
      It’s not necessary to throw “caps on the heels”, but it’s necessary to build the same ships of the future!
      1. Sega66
        Sega66 15 November 2015 17: 36 New
        +1
        We do not have extra money to play toys. Half of the world does not work for us, only 20 percent of its population. So there remains only an asymmetric answer - effective, not necessarily similar, and most importantly less expensive.
      2. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 15 November 2015 22: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: kepmor
        It’s not necessary to throw “caps on the heels”, but it’s necessary to build the same ships of the future!

        And tear yourself up? No, thank you, our economy is far from Soviet, we can’t stand it while the Serdyukovs live and work. SUCH separation of amers from us in the fleet is very difficult to play. Another thing is to grind weapons that such ships MAY sink. And not only to grind, but also to develop new.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 15 November 2015 12: 34 New
    +1
    In the long-wavelength spectrum of over-the-horizon radars, it shines as usual, it will not go up to our shores and ship groups. According to unverified infe (the bitter complaints of one old US admiral from the old school), the main unified radar of Zumwalt is blind up to 7 m above the surface at distances up to 3 km from the ship. That is, he is simply a target against our anti-ship missiles, without any opportunity to defend himself. He can’t work independently against an enemy equipped with serial Russian naval weapons. Well, why is the garden fence being asked?
  • Old26
    Old26 15 November 2015 12: 41 New
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    Quote: Baikonur
    Like an awesome design! We have your "Stells-design" - in BAR`o` BANU!

    And the fact that we checked the same in configuration in Krylov, nothing? Ours of the same kind would appear - there would be a laudatory ode: WHAT DESIGN IS OUR DIGGER (CRUISER) !!!!!!!!!!!
    Well, since the American one is an awesome design, and we are on the drum. Only now they have a new generation already on the water, and our Leader / Flurry is still in the project

    Quote: marlin1203
    Wow adjusted from 32 to 3 ships ... you see "... what, lieutenant, did the money run out? .."

    This, alas, is the trouble of all new ships with new technologies. Very expensive. how effective will be - wait and see

    Quote: Dimon19661
    In vain you are so interesting ship. Perhaps this is the new "Dreadnought." Of course, the price goes off scale, but this is the trouble of all new technologies.

    You're right. The ship is unusual and interesting. By the way, it implements some "nishtyaki", as many people like to express themselves here. In particular, the tragic experience of the Soviet Navy associated with a fire on a surface ship was taken into account.
    And ours, too, were engaged in such projects. My comrade-in-law worked in the Krylovsk center. Several times (several years ago) he happened to visit the “internal museum”, let’s say, where, among other models, models of ships of this configuration were presented. And according to him, he counted 5 or 6 of such models. So, we also carried out such work, but the legacy of the 90s did not most likely allow us to build an analogue. Or maybe there were other reasons.

    Quote: MIKHAN
    The goal is good ... Accepted! good

    Actually, if you wanted to write that the destroyer is a good target, you should post his photo. And so it looks ambiguous. Our boat - and the inscription Purpose is good !!
    And there is no need for dizeluhi to do another vunedervaffe. And then I look like something like this is another episode of ecstasy: drown all, bomb all
    That "Caliber", then 636 project, the last squeak - "Status".

    A good boat, but for certain TVDs. Are you going to use it as an ocean one? At least they looked at the performance characteristics, whether it can operate in the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Would compare with the TTX destroyer. With her maximum underwater speed of 20 knots, how many miles will she travel? 10? 20 or 30 before the batteries die? And the target’s speed is 30 knots. Plus he has ASROK for such purposes.
    Kindergarten, honestly, not a forum of normal, adequate adults ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 November 2015 12: 51 New
      +1
      In general terms, you are right - do not fall into idiotic delight. But in particular about dieselyuha - no. She should work on it, if, God forbid, have to, then within the limits of its seaworthiness.
    2. Dimon19661
      Dimon19661 15 November 2015 13: 01 New
      +7
      So at least half didn’t even serve, And the fact that the US fleet is much stronger, newer, many are not familiar. And the fact that the Jankers have good ships, they don’t know. You can minus ...
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 15 November 2015 13: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Old26
      A good boat, but for certain TVDs. Are you going to use it as an ocean one? At least they looked at the performance characteristics, whether it can operate in the Atlantic or the Pacific Ocean. Would compare with the TTX destroyer. With her maximum underwater speed of 20 knots, how many miles will she travel? 10? 20 or 30 before the batteries die? And the target’s speed is 30 knots. Plus he has ASROK for such purposes.
      Kindergarten, honestly, not a forum of normal, adequate adults ...

      Once, you need to stick the first photo you get and hurray grunt in the signature) And you won’t get any advantages laughing
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 15 November 2015 12: 42 New
    0
    Another prodigy for a good hundred dozhenilions of evergreens ...
  • NordUral
    NordUral 15 November 2015 12: 48 New
    +2
    Technique from an unfulfilled future for cutting the budget and intimidating the faint of heart.
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 November 2015 12: 49 New
    0
    But it is impossible THERE to "smear" something, well, never mind? To invulnerability immediately ended? A convenient moment, while boasting! All the same, the war is already underway request wassat Yes, and not Siberia in those parts, it is easy to "make a mistake" laughing
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 15 November 2015 12: 59 New
    0
    Guys! He looks like a coffin. It’s scary to approach this, not to serve ...
  • Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 15 November 2015 13: 03 New
    -2
    tochnik !!! For the F-117 medal iron with wings, for the ento product, an iron with lifebuoys !!!
  • v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 15 November 2015 13: 06 New
    +1
    Due to the robbery of the whole world, there is enough money to build all kinds of crap. And to us
    then reach for them, spending the last penny. Again they want to engage in the race
    weapons.
    1. Sega66
      Sega66 15 November 2015 17: 50 New
      0
      They scare us with real super tricked "tins", and ours with their color pictures ...
      Cheap and cheerful, the budget is not rubber.