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UVZ: test results of the double-barreled CAO are considered as a scientific and technical foundation for the future

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CRI "Burevestnik" (included in "Uralvagonzavod") has tested a prototype of a double-barreled howitzer, the results will be the groundwork for the future, reports TASS message of the press service of the UVZ.




“The experience of creating a CAO (self-propelled artillery gun) with a double-barreled artillery piece, including the results of testing a prototype, is considered as a scientific and technical basis in solving the problem of increasing the rate of fire of field artillery,” the corporation said.

When asked by the agency’s correspondent, “whether the enterprise plans to return to the idea of ​​creating such howitzers,” the press service replied: “Not planned.”

Earlier, the media reported that CAO "Coalition-SV" could get two guns.

"Coalition-SV" was demonstrated this year at the Victory Parade in Moscow, its mass admission to the troops should begin with 2019.
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Sergey Fadeichev / TASS
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  1. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 14 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +9
    The Russian military-industrial complex is being revived and it will help revive the remaining sectors of the national economy of Russia.
    1. severniy
      severniy 14 November 2015 08: 36 New
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      Well, I’ll stick it, it’s like this-
      1. severniy
        severniy 14 November 2015 08: 37 New
        0
        Who in a subject, explain please ..
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 14 November 2015 08: 40 New
          +6
          I wonder what did it hinder to create just double-barreled?
          1. wk
            wk 14 November 2015 08: 47 New
            +5
            Quote: Basarev
            I wonder what did it hinder to create just double-barreled?

            Obama! ... his mother!
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 14 November 2015 21: 45 New
              +3
              The 2 barrel has an 2 autoloader (or forked / twinned automaton), in a cramped turret, and due to about 20 rounds per minute, a lot of hard shots, complicated mechanics quickly crashed. Therefore, instead of 2 trunks on 10 shots / minute each, they made an 1 barrel on 15 per minute. So AZ of all 1, but powerful and reliable.
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          3. Stinger
            Stinger 14 November 2015 09: 04 New
            10
            What hindered? Frightened by the square trinomial. It's like with a gillette blades. First one blade, then two, then three, then five, and then the money ran out.
          4. shasherin.pavel
            shasherin.pavel 14 November 2015 09: 39 New
            +3
            Why two trunks? to increase rate of fire? But then you need a conveyor belt behind the self-propelled gun for delivering shells. One barrel smooth another rifled? Also "misunderstanding" in the head! If this tower were on a ship with its size, then everything is fine. But in a self-propelled gun, where ammunition is limited ...
            1. leyurtim
              leyurtim 14 November 2015 09: 52 New
              15
              The idea is that the division is rapidly taking on a firing position, massively, like the MLRS, sights out its ammunition in a short time and, no less swiftly, falls into a different position, while the enemy headquarters, which has not been handed out, scratches their turnips, evaluating that Bulo.
              1. Mikhail Krapivin
                Mikhail Krapivin 14 November 2015 10: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: leyurtim
                what is the bulo.


                Only - sho tse bulo :) And so everything is correct.
            2. Cartman
              Cartman 14 November 2015 16: 30 New
              0
              the conveyor is just planned, even the 1-barrel coalition provides for a charging machine
          5. Chiropractor
            Chiropractor 14 November 2015 10: 22 New
            +3
            Quote: Basarev
            I wonder what did it hinder to create just double-barreled?


            Practice hindered.
            They bulged out an increase in rate of fire (but if there were 4 barrels !!!) and kept silent about the fact that the chassis was not strengthened. The load turned out to be off-design - everything came up.
            And so we sorted out the problems of loading, gained experience ...
          6. S-cream
            S-cream 14 November 2015 10: 34 New
            +9
            There wasn’t much interference there. Just in the process of working on a double-barreled shotgun, they managed to increase the rate of fire of the single-barrel by 30%, as well as the barrel’s life, by almost 50%, which, conducting a general analysis (weight, labor, price, etc.), led to the need for a double-barrel shotgun has become much lower.
          7. SOLGA
            SOLGA 14 November 2015 11: 09 New
            +2
            prevented, a large load on the components and mechanisms, with a double shot. and, in general, the point is not that there should be two simultaneous shots, but that several shells arrive at the same point at the same time. and this does not necessarily require two barrels.
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 14 November 2015 15: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: SOLGA
              prevented, a large load on the components and mechanisms, with a double shot.

              What is a "double shot"? What are you talking about? Volley from two barrels was not provided in principle. The goal of the two trunks is to increase the rate of fire (alternately 8 + 8 = 16 per minute). The single-barrel MSTA-S is capable of delivering 8 rounds per minute, now, in my opinion, 10. Like the German PzH 2000. Everything ... With current technology, this is the limit for land guns of this caliber. A 130 mm marine paired pound 60 (30 + 30) due to water cooling.
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 14 November 2015 18: 05 New
                +4
                What is a "double shot"? What are you talking about? Volley from two barrels was not provided in principle.

                And if the flock is flying? A doublet is a class. laughing (sorry joking) yes
            2. kurs66
              kurs66 15 November 2015 03: 21 New
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              In general, it is unlikely to get to one point with 2 shells, here the theory of probability is relevant and not the number of trunks
          8. kalibr
            kalibr 14 November 2015 11: 40 New
            +2
            Smart people did not miss!
          9. avdkrd
            avdkrd 14 November 2015 13: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: Basarev
            I wonder what did it hinder to create just double-barreled?

            heavy (heavy weight), technically very complex loading mechanism, significantly higher price. The advantages in rate of fire do not exceed the listed disadvantages, at least in the version of self-propelled guns. Maybe the fleet will take root, there the mass and dimensions of A / Z are not so critical.
          10. Приговор
            Приговор 15 November 2015 00: 09 New
            +1
            They say that the complexity of the charging machine. As a consequence of its complexity - the deterioration of the reliability characteristics.
        2. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 14 November 2015 20: 26 New
          +1
          At first, they wanted to make a vertical line. Two barrels supposedly while the first is charging the second shoots, there is an increase in the rate of fire ... But it seems like accuracy and reliability have fallen, so we decided to leave only one barrel.
      2. SOLGA
        SOLGA 14 November 2015 11: 04 New
        +3
        maybe about this one)
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 14 November 2015 09: 20 New
      0
      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      it will help revive the remaining sectors of the national economy of Russia.

      This usually happens if the development of dual-use technologies is a priority. But unfortunately, there is no procedure for transferring these technologies for commercial use by all Russian companies.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 14 November 2015 09: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Vita VKO
        But unfortunately, there is no procedure for transferring these technologies for commercial use by all Russian companies.

        Conclusion - the defense industry will not be able to become a locomotive of the economy, because It is itself supplied from the budget and has never been a locomotive, it can only be the civilian sector because it is self-supporting and its products are available to everyone
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 14 November 2015 14: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: sa-ag
          PC will not be able to become a locomotive of the economy, because it’s self-supplied from the budget and has never been a locomotive

          None of the civilian sectors, even very large international corporations, due to basic economic considerations, can not afford to invest gigantic funds in the development of know-how. Not a single bank in the world will give loans for this. That is why the vast majority of new technologies are of military origin. Of course there is direct government funding for the development of new civil technologies, but this is ineffective mainly because of corruption.
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 14 November 2015 20: 46 New
          0
          Quote: sa-ag
          Conclusion - the defense industry will not be able to become a locomotive of the economy, because It is itself supplied from the budget and has never been a locomotive, it can only be the civilian sector because it is self-supporting and its products are available to everyone

          That's bullshit. The same Internet, this is a military development, computers were intended for ballistics calculations, EMNIP, smartphones, mobile communications, etc. No GPS and GLONASS would have been developed without the military. No jet engines.
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 14 November 2015 11: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Vita VKO
        But unfortunately, there is no procedure for transferring these technologies for commercial use by all Russian companies.

        Exists, Dry Superjet confirmation of this. Anyway, listen to Rogozin ...

    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 14 November 2015 10: 41 New
      +1
      And for some reason I remembered about the devastator from Dune)
  2. izya top
    izya top 14 November 2015 08: 35 New
    +3
    wise our constructor lol
    1. evil partisan
      evil partisan 14 November 2015 08: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: iza top
      wise our constructor

      OUR??? belay
      Professor to you "OUR"! sad And OUR Ural - do not touch !! am
      1. izya top
        izya top 14 November 2015 08: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Professor to you "OUR"!

        oh you helmets ... angry
      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 14 November 2015 10: 51 New
        +6
        And what about a professor? He is very big-headed, though his tongue is forked.
    2. Berthan
      Berthan 14 November 2015 10: 00 New
      +1
      wise our constructor


      So, they are paid for it ... Once - they are not wise, the other - they are too smart ... On the fifth or tenth, you look - and it comes to the series ...
  3. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 14 November 2015 08: 45 New
    +3
    As coastal and naval artillery it would be nice. Consider there is a developed mechanism, barrels, ammunition. And for land it is rather heavy, and too complicated. Well, sailors with a large caliber or large dimensions are not used to coping.
  4. wk
    wk 14 November 2015 08: 46 New
    -12
    but why did he add to the Coalition an UVZ T 72 - 90 chassis on an unadapted chassis? paddle everything for yourself? ... it seems on Msta, Msta C were a specialized chassis .... oh yes they were not made by ALL of us! UVZ .... so ur!
    1. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz 14 November 2015 08: 48 New
      -8
      A double-barreled shotgun should be placed on a wheeled chassis, such as the KamAZ Platform-0 ... for coastal artillery, an ideal thing.
      1. wk
        wk 14 November 2015 09: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: kugelblitz
        ideal for coastal artillery.

        not a specialist, and I don’t affirm, but it seems the coastal barrel artillery sang its swan song in WW2
        1. kugelblitz
          kugelblitz 14 November 2015 09: 39 New
          +3
          To beat off the landing, the fight against the mosquito fleet, the protection of the land direction.
          1. wk
            wk 14 November 2015 10: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: kugelblitz
            To beat off the landing, the fight against the mosquito fleet, the protection of the land direction.

            I partially agree about the landing and the land direction .... but it will be more difficult with the mosquito fleet .... only for the landing and land direction and the usual caterpillar track and even towed will not be worse ... and the tanks will not hurt .... Why don't I understand the KAMAZ platform?
            1. kugelblitz
              kugelblitz 14 November 2015 10: 27 New
              +2
              Well, there are such conditions that there is enough wheel equipment. Pre-prepared positions, access roads and more. What artillery, what rocket launchers with regards to. And as for the mosquito fleet, that is, guided ammunition, and by the radar, the MSA has been able to work for a long time. So to speak, to replace this complex in the future.

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        2. Vladimir 23rus
          Vladimir 23rus 15 November 2015 07: 48 New
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          Well, yes, but by means of landing i.e. on the sea landing laughing
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    3. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 14 November 2015 09: 41 New
      +3
      History of the creation of "Msta-S":
      2S19 Msta-S was developed to replace the 2S3 Akatsia howitzer in the army. In the early 1980s, GRAU issued a design bureau of the Ural Transport Engineering Plant (UZTRM) to them. Ya. M. Sverdlov in Sverdlovsk (Yekaterinburg) new requirements for self-propelled howitzer caliber 152,4 mm.
      It was supposed to unify the chassis with the T-72 and T-80 tanks already in service. The artillery was supposed to be universal - for use both on self-propelled guns and in towed artillery.
      The main designer was Yuri Vasilyevich Tomashov. The main developers of the self-propelled guns under the code designation GRAU 2S19 were appointed: UZTRM (from May 18, 2009 - Uraltransmash OJSC) - the developer of the “Products 316” chassis and the machine as a whole, the Tula Instrument Design Bureau - the developer of the fighting compartment, OKB-2 PO “Barricades” Volgograd city - swinging part.
      Self-propelled howitzers are produced at the Uraltransmash plant, later a plant was built specifically for the production of these units in the city of Sterlitamak.
      Description of construction
      The armored hull of the self-propelled guns is similar in design and geometry to the hull of the T-72 tank, the lower part of the hull using torsion shafts and balancers from the T-80 tank in suspension. The chassis of the self-propelled guns is similar to the tank (T-80). A caterpillar with a width of 580 mm, equipped with rubber-metal joints and a rubberized treadmill, is also borrowed from the T-80.
      And the “Coalition”, in your expression, was added to the T-72/90 chassis because it is these tanks that are produced for the Russian army as the main ones, and as for the lack of fitness, this is your unconfirmed argument.
      I have the honor.
      1. wk
        wk 14 November 2015 10: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        And the “Coalition”, in your expression, was added to the T-72/90 chassis because it is these tanks that are produced for the Russian army as the main ones, and as for the lack of fitness, this is your unconfirmed argument.

        why they didn’t do it on Msta S .... because at that time corruption did not reach today's scale .... and the versatility of the chassis for various weapons is certainly good, but not always advisable, and is often a design dead end trap .. . Stalin said something about this ... it seems on guns or tanks ... I don’t remember laziness to google .... and after showing the concept with the name Armata three years later ... faith in the ability to create something the efficient UVZ team completely disappeared .... but for the sake of it they destroyed the Leningrad Design Bureau and almost strangled the Omsk .... UVZ on a par with the Kalashnikov concern (a separate topic) in the existing monopolistic form of destructive elements in the Russian defense industry.
    4. S-cream
      S-cream 14 November 2015 10: 35 New
      0
      The coalition will be put on Armata when it will be adopted. Everything is imprisoned for this.
    5. kurs66
      kurs66 15 November 2015 03: 28 New
      0
      I myself realized that I wrote lol
      1. wk
        wk 15 November 2015 14: 46 New
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        Quote: kurs66
        I myself realized that I wrote

        ... and you don’t understand ... again, a deuce in Russian? ... go learn lessons and don’t drink beer in the gateway ... you catch a cold mom scolds!
  5. ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 14 November 2015 08: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: iza top
    wise our constructor lol

    Do not tell me, increasing the rate of fire is of great importance for fighting in direct contact, for which, in fact, self-propelled gun mounts are created.
    1. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 14 November 2015 09: 48 New
      +1
      Has anyone ever wondered how in the "Predator" the American wore a six-barrel machine gun in the jungle? You can carry a machine gun yourself, but a person is not able to raise ammunition for a ten-second volley from a six-barrel.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 14 November 2015 11: 38 New
        -1
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        Has anyone ever wondered how in the "Predator" the American wore a six-barreled machine gun in the jungle?

        It was told somehow about this, there they made special emphasis
    2. S-cream
      S-cream 14 November 2015 10: 37 New
      +1
      The Coalition just does not have direct contact in the tasks. This is a howitzer, not an anti-tank SU.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 November 2015 08: 51 New
    +1
    Yes, a lot of questions with a shotgun. The work of the charging mechanism, recoil devices, recovery time of the pickup after firing ...
    A lot of everything there. Not only barrel overheating limits the rate of fire of large-caliber artillery. Tested, measured, counted.
    Well, the Russian army will not have an unusual double-barreled weapon - the “Coalition” and in single-barrel execution is good, no worse than the “German”.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 November 2015 08: 56 New
    +2
    for direct contact combat

    Large-caliber self-propelled guns operate mainly from closed positions, in addition they are used to break through SDs and equipped strong points where direct fire is possible.
  8. Afinogen
    Afinogen 14 November 2015 08: 57 New
    +6
    The double-barreled shotgun looks solid hi


  9. DMB3000
    DMB3000 14 November 2015 09: 05 New
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    Quote: iza top
    wise our constructor lol

    one barrel overheats quickly. two trunks increases the overall rate of fire 2 times. for such a caliber it’s just a typhoon. look at the root before writing such comments. divorced sofa experts.
  10. maximus
    maximus 14 November 2015 09: 09 New
    +8
    Somehow long laid out laughing
    1. Viktortopwar
      Viktortopwar 14 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +1
      It was necessary to take a picture using the Gatling system, a sort of six-eight-barrel! good
    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 14 November 2015 10: 54 New
      0
      Guns are our everything!
  11. Appraiser
    Appraiser 14 November 2015 09: 16 New
    +1
    Time will show how effective a double-barreled (multi-barreled) gun is in barrel artillery soldier .
  12. Bort radist
    Bort radist 14 November 2015 09: 39 New
    0
    On the AN-12, the feed installation NR-23, IL-76 2 twin GSh-23. Gauges are certainly not the same but common problems have been resolved. The work of mechanisms, reloading, ....
  13. 31rus
    31rus 14 November 2015 09: 48 New
    0
    Everything is fine there, but not accepted, because dear
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 November 2015 12: 05 New
      0
      And the chassis under it should be 65-70 tons.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 November 2015 12: 05 New
      0
      And the chassis under it should be 65-70 tons.
  14. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 November 2015 10: 00 New
    0
    The double-barreled shotgun can never compete in rate of fire with MLRS. Moreover, their accuracy and range have stepped far forward. Plus artillery systems accuracy, the future for the Palladins, Pz 2000, Msta and other machines. Improving the trunks, supply of ammunition, topographic location and giving them tactical UAVs. Further, I will become competitors of Spike-type systems as systems and shots become cheaper.
  15. dvg79
    dvg79 14 November 2015 10: 02 New
    +1
    As I understand it, the shotgun was supposed to work on the principle of "shot-and-run" - quickly shot and dump while the shells still fly to the target, which is extremely important with modern detection tools. Covering the target with a large number of heavy shells in a short period of time gives an effect similar to MLRS fire .Also, the installation looks very brutal laughing For me it is so unfortunate that they refused this scheme.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 November 2015 11: 23 New
    +1
    Now compare with the MLRS equal in weight and compare the departure time of the missile package with the number of howitzer shots.
  17. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 14 November 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    Self-propelled guns with two barrels ??? Just don’t have to return to the time of Tukhachevsky, Stalin isn’t. Comparing MLRS and barreled artillery is at least ridiculous. The main costs in the production of self-propelled guns are for installation, in the production of MLRS for ammunition. The operation and combat use of self-propelled guns is simpler and cheaper; .When firing conventional ammunition, the multiple launch rocket volley is higher, accuracy is worse. The overall mobility of self-propelled guns (taking into account reloading) is higher. Therefore, both types of weapons come into service. But two barrels of this caliber on a mobile chassis ... For some reason, I immediately remembered Tukhachevsky’s radio-controlled boats , and attempts to rearm the artillery with recoilless guns.
  18. mamont5
    mamont5 14 November 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Basarev
    I wonder what did it hinder to create just double-barreled?

    What for? Double-barreled increases the rate of fire, which is important for intense battles of a big war. This is not yet (and God forbid). Now this configuration will be rolled in, and the "double-barreled shotgun" has touched the future, just like the 150-mm gun on the T-14 "Armata". They will be needed, they can be quickly launched into a series. No, it means there will be an opportunity to construct something = something even more powerful and NEW.
  19. bmv04636
    bmv04636 14 November 2015 16: 39 New
    0
    there is a possibility that the double-barreled gun will be put on corvettes
  20. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 November 2015 17: 00 New
    0
    Double-barrel 130MM and so is on ships. and a gun with a "land shell" for the ship is weak. Need a gun about the same as Tsumvolte -155mm but with more energy and firing range.