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The murder of L.P. Beria

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The influence of the opposition immediately after Stalin’s death on the country's development path indicates that in Soviet Stalinist Russia everything was done in Russian, without much blood and the opposition was only driven underground, not destroyed. This opposition, many of whose representatives were the fifth column of the West, was the third force that promoted Khrushchev to come to power over the country.


This parish was preceded by a series of events. 27 March 1953 was granted an amnesty for prisoners whose term of imprisonment did not exceed five years. Liberals write that more than 1 million people were released from prison. But this data causes mistrust, since throughout the USSR on 1 January 1953, the camps contained 1 727 970 prisoners.

What is the purpose of the criminals released? No doubt for the purpose of intimidating the people. The fact that the released criminals will rob, beat and even kill the working citizens of the country and their children did not bother the new government. These were the first government actions contradicting the traditions and essence of the Soviet state. And as they say, three people had real power in the country at that time: G. M. Malenkov, L. P. Beria, and N. S. Khrushchev. They decided to use criminals in the political struggle. Stalin never allowed himself to do that. His authority and authority rested on the working people.

S. G. Kara-Murza writes about the amnesty as follows: “At the beginning of the summer of 1953, Moscow was filled with criminals of all ages. It was an amnesty, about which they wrote a lot and even made a movie. It is evident that, apart from the amnesty, there was some kind of sign, because the behavior of these people has changed dramatically. They gave battle to society - cautious, but open. Rumors, of course, exaggerated everything, but many terrible cases were told ... The slopes of the Lenin Hills were filled with strange people. They sat in clusters around fires, cooked something, played cards, and had a teenager with them. They were freed under an amnesty, surging toward Moscow ... In the fall, military patrols began to walk around Moscow — a pair of soldiers with bayonets on their belts. Inspected the back streets carefully, were on the lookout. Immediately, the situation returned to normal, but the sediment in people remained. Previously, it seemed that such failures in our state machine can not be.

By the way, in 1990, when law enforcement bodies in the big cities were dispersed by the democratic press and a rapid increase in crime began, the government attempted to patrol the streets of the military with the police. A terrible scream rose, they were almost talking about military dictatorship. And most importantly, this cry found a wide response from the townspeople. It made a very heavy impression - as if people had suddenly lost their common sense. ”
The second event was the appointment of G.K. Zhukov First Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR. Under Stalin, Zhukov was dismissed from the highest echelons of power, as he had violated the law on the export of values ​​from Germany. I think that the departure of G.K. Zhukov from Moscow saved him from court and allowed I.V. Stalin to declare that Zhukov had already been punished. Therefore, Zhukov was not judged, as, for example, under Stalin, they were tried for the same illegal actions of the People's Commissar aviation industry A.I. Shakhurin. In my opinion, the desire for enrichment at the expense of defeated Germany that appeared after the end of the war came to a certain extent due to the behavior of their families, who were waiting for rich trophies. There was no point in “pushing” Zhukov for Stalin, since he himself contributed to the rise of the latter and, no matter what, after the war did not allow the glory of G.K. Zhukov to be debunked.

But the biggest event that affected the worst for all the further development of the country was the murder of L. P. Beria. I am writing a murder because I share the opinion of the researchers, who quite reasonably prove the absence of the fact of the arrest of L. P. Beria and the trial of him. When L.P. Beria was allegedly tried, he was no longer alive.

LP Beria brought a lot of benefits to the Soviet state and people. Before the war, he secured the triumph of the law over clan interests, began to bring false informers to justice, which sharply reduced the number of denunciations to the NKVD.

Beria contributed to the formation of our intelligence service during the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945, organizing the dismantling and removal of industrial enterprises to the East of the country, ensuring a quiet life for home front workers, returning to the army in 1941 a year more than a million soldiers and officers who fell behind during retreat from their units. out of encirclement, fleeing from German captivity. Moreover, out of these categories of military, less than 4% was detained, and 96% were sent to the ranks of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army (Red Army) to continue their military service.
In the troops of the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs (NKVD) during the war, as well as in the army, there were people from the people who deserve to be erected monuments, as well as to the heroes of our army. And the image of the servicemen of the NKVD structures, which was one of the first writers created by K. Simonov in the novel “The Living and the Dead”, is in many ways not true.

The NKVD officers fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, laid their lives on the altar of victory, obtained intelligence, opposed the German special services with military counterintelligence, ensured order in the cities infested with German agents, liberated by Soviet troops in cities, fought in our rear with German agents, saboteurs and wrestling troops, fighting for the Soviet troops, fighting for the enemy forces, saboteurs and Soviet troops, fighting for the rear of the army, fighting for the saboteurs, liberated by the Soviet troops, fighting with the German agents, saboteurs and wrestling troops, fighting for the Soviet forces, fighting with German agents, saboteurs and wrestling cities, fighting for troops, fighting with German agents, saboteurs and wrestling troops, fighting with the German armies, saboteurs and Soviet troops, fighting with our agents, fighting men and fighting men. while war criminals, as well as committed thousands of other very important for the security of the country affairs. In my opinion, without the activities of the NKVD, victory in the war would have cost us considerably greater losses or it would have been impossible at all.

L.P. Beria contributed no less to the victory over Germany and her allies than our illustrious commanders and leaders of industries.

During the war, L. P. Beria entered the State Defense Committee (GKO). As deputy chief commander for operational issues, he dealt with a host of different complex tasks the country needs, including transportation and the production of certain types weapons.

Since 1946, L. P. Beria has served as Deputy Chairman of the USSR Council of Ministers. How he coped with his duties on the main issues of creating new weapons, the reader can judge by the articles describing the creation of the atomic bomb and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

“And the thought involuntarily suggests itself: if Beria had not aspired to be creators, if he had remained at the head of the special services, then probably the USSR would have an atomic and hydrogen bomb on 5 later, probably, and Y. Gagarin would have flown into space on 5 “10 years later, but the USSR would have survived, and, most importantly, its movement towards communism would have survived,” writes Yu. I. Mukhin.

During the 7 years from 1946 to 1953, L. P. Beria didn’t actually manage the state security and internal affairs services, and it would be wrong to talk about his omnipotence in the struggle for power.

Beria attributed a lot of negative initiatives in terms of the national interests of the USSR. For example, the unification of Germany. In fact, on the contrary, Beria was well aware that the unification of Germany, or rather the transfer of the Eastern part of Germany to the West, reduced the security of the Soviet Union by an order of magnitude. The state official L. P. Beria, who devoted his whole life to ensuring the security of the Soviet Union, could not come out with such initiatives.

The presence in Eastern Europe allowed the USSR, in the attack on our country, to shoot down enemy planes and missiles over foreign territory, to engage in combat with the enemy without allowing it to its land, thereby ensuring the security of the peoples of the Soviet Union.

About Beria hundreds of myths are written, and all of them pursue the goal of discrediting him. They write that he freed Jews from prison because he was Jewish by nationality. About Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and other fiery revolutionaries who fought Russian communism, they do not write that they were Jews by nationality, but they write about Beria, thus hinting at the alien interests of Russia for him.

I didn’t meet exact information about Beria’s nationality, but I know that he proved himself as a patriot and statist and I am sure that under his rule the welfare of the people and the power of the country would grow much faster than under N. S. Khrushchev. The main thing is that the connection between generations would not be interrupted and the greatest and fateful time in stories Russian state called the USSR.

Yu. Mukhin argues that L. P. Beria was killed long before the trial at that time by Major-General P. F. Batitsky and his accomplice, in those years by N. S. Khrushchev's friend, Col.-General K. S. Moskalenko.

Under the rule of J. V. Stalin, the leadership of the country did not allow and did not commit assassinations of members of the government. In particular, this is why L. P. Beria was defeated in the fight against N. S. Khrushchev. Beria did not expect a treacherous murder from the corner.

With the help of the media, the majority of the country's citizens were inspired about Beria and the events of those days with a completely different opinion. But most of the facts indicate that L. Beria was already killed at the time of the July 1953 plenum of the CPSU Central Committee.
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  1. zennon
    zennon 15 November 2015 01: 01
    -58 qualifying.
    Well, actually it’s impossible to talk about murder. It was a death sentence.
    1. Vik5609
      Vik5609 15 November 2015 01: 17
      63
      What court ?! Spanked at capture. The reasons are simple: he got too close to the killers of I. Stalin and was a patriot.
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 15 November 2015 03: 15
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        about Lawrence Beria
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 15 November 2015 07: 28
        -10 qualifying.
        Quote: Vik5609
        The reasons are simple: too close to I. Stalin’s killers

        Well, if you adhere to this version, then Beria had a motive (full and undivided power), he was at any time to Stalin, Beria had a perfectly fine-tuned repressive apparatus under his leadership, by the way, was it under the cover of "doctors' affairs" that the observers were removed from Stalin his doctors? In general, from the moment Muscovites were polled about renaming the Voykovskaya metro station, open anti-Soviet propaganda poured down Kiselev's mouth from the very top, now those who made the revolution are "terrorists", and now the fight against a terrorist in the world is the main topic, an interesting "coincidence", not true is it?
        1. ava09
          ava09 15 November 2015 09: 25
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          Quote: sa-ag
          under the leadership of Beria, there was a well-functioning repressive apparatus


          Sometimes the "firmness" of some comrades is surprising, who do not believe in documents but in mythical information that got into their heads first. So a kind of "priority" turns out, according to other criteria, data flows in their minds are not filtered. Is it difficult to look at the years of Beria's leadership of the NKVD? 1938 - 1945! What kind of "well-oiled repressive apparatus" are we talking about in this case? About a truly people's Stalinist State?
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 15 November 2015 09: 54
            -24 qualifying.
            Quote: ava09
            Sometimes the "hardness" of some comrades who do not believe in documents is surprising

            There is a document that there was a court chaired by Ivan Konev, and at that court the verdict was announced to the defendant Beria, according to the verdict of the court the latter was sentenced to death. Do you obviously believe some other document?
            1. ava09
              ava09 15 November 2015 16: 13
              +3
              It makes no sense to talk with the individual about Thomas, he knows only Yeryoma ...)
            2. nail
              nail 15 November 2015 23: 41
              0
              in court instead of Beria L.P. It was a setup. When during the trial he was asked a question in the Abkhaz language, this person could not understand the question.
            3. podpolkovnik
              podpolkovnik 16 November 2015 11: 23
              -1
              Quote: sa-ag
              Quote: ava09
              Sometimes the "hardness" of some comrades who do not believe in documents is surprising

              There is a document that there was a court chaired by Ivan Konev, and at that court the verdict was announced to the defendant Beria, according to the verdict of the court the latter was sentenced to death. Do you obviously believe some other document?

              Read better the memoirs of the son of Lavrenty Pavlovich, Sergo Beria, They are called "My father - Lavrenty Beria."
          2. Yars
            Yars 15 November 2015 21: 32
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            Quote: ava09
            Sometimes the "hardness" of some comrades surprises

            such a job with the liberals in this forum!
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 15 November 2015 09: 35
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          under the leadership of Beria, there was a well-functioning repressive apparatus,


          The fact of the matter is that he moved away from this apparatus. And, it turns out, in vain. And the article says about it. Although, it is quite possible that these "five years", which were won by Beria while supervising the atomic project, saved the USSR from unleashing a nuclear war by the Americans.
          1. ava09
            ava09 15 November 2015 18: 22
            +5
            Quote: alicante11
            Although, it is quite possible that these "five years", which were won by Beria while supervising the atomic project, saved the USSR from unleashing a nuclear war by the Americans.


            Quite exactly, not quite possible. The plan of the American nuclear bombardment of the large industrial and administrative centers of the USSR "Drop Shot" was planned for 1949.
        3. proletarian
          proletarian 15 November 2015 21: 38
          +4
          Dear, after 1946, L.P. Beria did not lead either the NKVD or the MGB, so all his "possibilities" of influencing these structures consisted "by and large" in the fact that he did not allow his subordinates who worked in "Atomic project ".
          Lavrenty Pavlovich again headed the MGB only in the 20th of March 1953.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 15 November 2015 08: 03
        -31 qualifying.
        Quote: Vik5609
        Spanked at capture. The reasons are simple:

        Yes, a great media affair.
        Straight Beria - wonderful Georgians number two ...
        And we are still talking about Ukraine fooled by a box.
        The article is self-confident and amusing statements.
        For example: "under Stalin's rule there were no contract killings of the leadership."
        I will not list how many "manuals" were wiped out in the camp dust, and on charges of [b] espionage [/ b], and not, for example, of exporting valuables. Who else was not "English, Japanese and Polish spies"? They were already looking at K. Voroshilov ... laughing
        Yes, and L.P. Beria ran into what he fought for.
        Yes, now any transdyuk has more than Zhukov exported from Germany. Lists of property found at the state dacha are available. Moreover, he took it out, leaving behind a junk his very significant salary of the commander-in-chief and commander-in-chief at that time.
        If Beria was so good, then why did he enjoy such "love" of people who knew him personally "from work"? Unlike the writers of the present time.
        Yes, Zhukov had well-known shortcomings, but during Stalin's "showdown", the generals, first of all, of course, Marshal Rybalko, unequivocally supported him.
        And Beria's "law enforcers" (he supervised the NKVD and the MGB) kicked out of the arrested Marshal Novikov, General Kryukov, Zhukov's adjutants and many, many others, not information about the number of "stolen" in Germany, but confessions of criticism of Stalin and, with regards, Novikov and Shakhurin - "smuggling" bad airplanes [/ b] and engines into service with the Air Force during the Second World War, by conspiracy. wink
        These are the rags! True, then they rehabilitated everyone, unlike the same Beria.
        Of course, Beria is ambiguous, like Stalin, as all this is tragic, but also a great time.
        But the unjust apologists are also unnecessary to us. yes
        1. ava09
          ava09 15 November 2015 09: 31
          +6
          Quote: Alekseev
          But the unjust apologists are also unnecessary to us


          Biased "translators" of lies, by the way too ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 15 November 2015 17: 21
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            The name of Beria in history is inextricably linked with the name of Stalin, so it is quite understandable that by pouring mud on one person, the crap "splashes" on the other, and accordingly on the Bolshevik Party and on the Soviet system in general.
            The world bourgeoisie (liberals) needed to knock out the faith in the progressiveness and justice of Bolshevism from the people, and Stalin, as one of the main ideologists of this very Bolshevism, was subjected to a massive attack to denigrate the name, and L. Beria is just a "key" to this pedestal.
            It is unlikely that anyone will have doubts about the human modesty of these people on the one hand, and their unusual citizenship and devotion to the state of working people on the other.
            “Since the death of Stalin, tens of billions of dollars have been spent on his discrediting, primarily in the USSR and Russia. Thousands of pseudo-historical films have been shot, mountains of lies have been piled up, thousands of “historians” are brainwashing people around the world, making Stalin a “horror story” for children. No wonder. The whole bastard of the world hates the man who, during the first 19 years of governing the country, increased its industrial production by almost 70 times and turned it from an African state into the second in the world, and by a number of parameters, the first country in the world. ”

            Source: http://www.greatstalin.ru/
            1. Secta haki
              Secta haki 16 November 2015 00: 06
              +3
              The Trotskyists, who had come from America, turned it into a worse state than the African one, and it was all right that they were going to give out concessions ..
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 15 November 2015 09: 38
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          I will not list how many "manuals" have been erased into camp dust, and on charges of espionage, and not, for example, in the export of valuables. Who else was not "English, Japanese and Polish spies"? They already looked at K. Voroshilov ... laughing


          Do you understand the term "contract killing"? Or have you forgotten the 90s? Stalin eliminated his opponents with legal instruments. It is quite possible that sometimes things went wrong. But this was solely because the real accusations could affect those whose support the IVS was using at the moment and whose turn had not yet come.

          These are the rags! True, then everyone was rehabilitated, unlike the same Beria


          Yes, in the 90s, for the grandmother and in order to bend in front of the "white masters" they could even rehabilitate a bald devil, even a famous fascist. Tell me, wasn’t it?
        3. neri73-r
          neri73-r 15 November 2015 20: 14
          +4
          If Beria was so good, then why did he enjoy such "love" of people who knew him personally "from work"?


          About the love of Beria, better read P.A. Sudoplatov, he served 10 or 15 years for serving under the leadership of Beria, so in his memoirs he writes who Beria is, what he was sitting for and who judged him, what people came to power after Stalin’s death .....! And then say something! hi
      4. MrK
        MrK 15 November 2015 11: 13
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        Quote: Vik5609
        What court ?! Spanked at capture.

        Thanks Vik5609
        UPDATE.
        St. Petersburg journalist Elena Prudnikova, author of sensational historical investigations, participant in the historical and journalistic project Mysteries of History, spoke about a completely different Lavrentiya Beria [Elena Prudnikova. Beria. Crimes that were not. URL: http: //ussrlife.blogspot.ru/2013/03/blog-post_8423.html].

        But we don’t like to talk about how he worked in this post. Ray Beria got one more. Industry as such did not exist. A poor, hungry outskirts. As you know, since the 1927 year, collectivization has been going on in the USSR. By 1931, in the collective farms of Georgia managed to drive 36% of farms, but the population did not become less hungry from this. And then Beria made a knight's move. He did not break people through the knee. HE STOPPED COLLECTIVIZATION. Left alone private traders.

        But on the collective farms, it was not bread and corn that did not help, but valuable crops: tea, citrus fruits, tobacco, grapes. And here the large agricultural enterprises have justified themselves one hundred percent!

        The collective farms began to grow rich with such speed that the peasants themselves threw them into them. By 1939, without any compulsion, 91% of households were socialized.

        Then Transcaucasia also became the "resort capital" of the USSR - who then thought about the "resort business"? By the level of education, already in the 1938 year, Georgia reached one of the first places in the Union, and in terms of the number of students per thousand souls, it surpassed England and Germany.

        About the "sharashka". After the death of Beria, it was they - former employees of the "sharashka" who bitterly said - "they killed our Lavrenty Pavlovich." But according to the logic of things, they had to DANCE FOR JOY, saying: the bastard died, finally he died.

        About the trial of Beria:
        We will say only one thing: none of the strangers, disinterested people, after 26 of June 1953 of the year did not see Beria alive. The last one he saw was Sergo's son - in the morning, in the country. According to his recollections, his father was going to call into the city apartment, then go to the Kremlin, to the meeting of the Presidium.

        Around noon, Sergo called his friend, pilot Amet Khan, and said that Beria’s house was a shootout and his father, apparently, was no longer alive. Sergo, along with a member of the Special Committee Vannikov, rushed to the address and managed to see broken windows, broken doors, a wall dotted with bullet marks from a heavy machine gun.
        Let us give the floor to Yu. Mukhin:
        “I called N.K. Baibakov, the last surviving member of the then Central Committee. During a conversation on technical issues, I asked him if he remembers the July 1953 of the Central Committee Plenum? When Nikolai Konstantinovich remembered him (he was 90 years old), I suddenly asked him a question: “Did you know at the Plenum that Beria was already killed?”. He quickly answered: “No, I didn’t know anything then, but then, after a hitch, he said: - But the fact is that he was killed».
        Dear Colleagues. If for some reason you do not own the information. This does not mean that it is closed or no one has investigated the problem.
        Best regards
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 16 November 2015 00: 40
          +3
          We don’t know much, the truth is hidden from people by all means. But an excellent litmus test, if the liberal democrats are throwing mud at someone, it means that he was a good person. Educational film for comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6spU26TXRtQ
      5. zennon
        zennon 15 November 2015 12: 05
        -17 qualifying.
        Quote: Vik5609
        What court ?!

        Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria was arrested on June 26, 1953, and on December 23 of the same year, he was shot by court in an underground bunker in the courtyard of the headquarters of the Moscow military district. On December 23, 1953, the case of Beria was examined by the Special Judicial Presence of the Supreme Court of the USSR, chaired by Marshal I. S. Konev. The verdict read: The Special Judicial Presence of the Supreme Court of the USSR ruled: to sentence Beria L.P., Merkulova V.N., Dekanozova V.G., Kobulova B.Z., Goglidze S.A., Meshika P. Ya., Wlodzimirsky L E. to the highest degree of criminal punishment - execution, with confiscation of their property personally, with the deprivation of military ranks and awards.
        - The message "In the Supreme Court of the USSR." December 24, 1953
        You can at least get involved. There was a court and a verdict.
        1. mark7
          mark7 15 November 2015 18: 50
          +5
          Quote: zennon
          You can at least get involved. There was a court and a verdict.

          And who else besides Khrushchev’s hangers-on said this trial? The trial could not have been a priori, it would have cost a lot more, everyone sewed with white thread in the wake of the division of power and hatred of Stalin, because there’s not one person even close in level to him, there did not have.
          1. zennon
            zennon 15 November 2015 19: 04
            -3
            Quote: mark7
            And who else besides Khrushchev’s hangers-on said this court?

            In addition to the "hangers-on", there is also the Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation:
            By the definition of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of May 29, 2002, Beria, as the organizer of political repressions, was declared not subject to rehabilitation:
            ... Based on the foregoing, the Military College concludes that Beria, Merkulov, Kobulov and Goglidze were those leaders who organized at the state level and personally carried out mass repressions against their own people. And therefore, the Law “On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression” cannot be applied to them as perpetrators of terror.
            ... Guided by Article.Article 8, 9, 10 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression” of October 18, 1991 and Art. 377-381 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation determined: “To recognize Beria Lavrenty Pavlovich, Merkulov Vsevolod Nikolaevich, Kobulov Bogdan Zakharyevich, Goglidze Sergey Arsenyevich not subject to rehabilitation” [79].
            - Extract from the definition of the military collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation No. bn-00164/2000 of 29.V.2002.
            1. mark7
              mark7 15 November 2015 20: 30
              +3
              Quote: zennon
              Quote: mark7
              And who else besides Khrushchev’s hangers-on said this court?

              In addition to the "hangers-on", there is also the Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation:
              By the definition of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation of May 29, 2002, Beria, as the organizer of political repressions, was declared not subject to rehabilitation:
              ... Based on the foregoing, the Military College concludes that Beria, Merkulov, Kobulov and Goglidze were those leaders who organized at the state level and personally carried out mass repressions against their own people. And therefore, the Law “On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression” cannot be applied to them as perpetrators of terror.
              ... Guided by Article.Article 8, 9, 10 of the Law of the Russian Federation “On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression” of October 18, 1991 and Art. 377-381 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the RSFSR, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation determined: “To recognize Beria Lavrenty Pavlovich, Merkulov Vsevolod Nikolaevich, Kobulov Bogdan Zakharyevich, Goglidze Sergey Arsenyevich not subject to rehabilitation” [79].
              - Extract from the definition of the military collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation No. bn-00164/2000 of 29.V.2002.

              Here you are, giving the impression of an educated person, but here it’s not so good, you really don’t understand the expressions, like an order from above, or there is an opinion, etc. Yes, and now it is, and at all times. Do you understand the instructions for everyone? Including the chairmen of all ranks and vessels in that country
          2. MrK
            MrK 16 November 2015 10: 32
            +1
            Thanks mark7. I will supplement it.

            Any propaganda student can confirm that the process of desecrating a country's policy and its social values ​​will be more effective if you slander the country's leader first. So it was with Stalin, and with Beria, and with the USSR.
        2. ava09
          ava09 16 November 2015 15: 12
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          You can at least get involved. There was a court and a verdict.


          Well at least you understand that the "trial and sentence" were organized by the real enemies of the people, who took part in its repressions ...
        3. proletarian
          proletarian 18 November 2015 23: 40
          0
          But the "papers" are "fake", they don't pass any slightest checks (I'm talking about the legal side of the case).
    2. Down House
      Down House 15 November 2015 09: 30
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      Quote: zennon
      Well, actually you can’t talk about murder.

      And what other words call the murder of one of the most important personalities in the history of the USSR ?!
      With or without trial, but judged, killed criminals and traitors, not statesmen who made one of the most significant contributions to the history of our State!
      Glory to Beria and his eternal memory from all the inhabitants of our country, who understand that without people like him we would not be alive now!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 15 November 2015 17: 36
        +8
        The death of L. Beria should be considered only in the vein of the 20th Congress, this is just one of the first steps to discredit Bolshevism and the entire Stalin era.
        After cleansing the true followers of Stalin, the 20th Congress was held, which was the beginning of the destruction of the USSR.
        How could the bourgeois allow
        “We must build our economy so that our country does not turn into an appendage of the world capitalist system, so that it is not included in the general system of capitalist development as its subsidiary enterprise, so that our economy does not develop as an auxiliary enterprise of world capitalism, but as an independent economic unit, based mainly on the domestic market, based on the link between our industry and the peasant economy of our country. ”
        I.V. Stalin 1925
        In my opinion, J. Stalin was not "bloody" enough, that is. the purges of the party and the state apparatus had to be carried out much tougher, and in this case we would not have received the victory of the counter-revolution in 85-91.
        It would be better if another 100 thousand repressed then, than now we have the whole country "repressed". IMHO soldier
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  2. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 November 2015 01: 17
    16
    Thank you for the story. At the same time, if there was a murder or execution - it somehow doesn’t work at all according to the party? Khrushchev was always hateful to me. And what then was to blame Stalin if his reign began with the murder? And the whole country suffered from -for him.
  3. Igor Olegovich
    Igor Olegovich 15 November 2015 01: 35
    11
    He was so feared that there was no capture as such. They shot almost immediately, and then said that, they say, there was resistance.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 15 November 2015 07: 29
      -4
      "They were so afraid of him" Perhaps he was kind that they were afraid of him, or was there something so afraid of?
      1. Down House
        Down House 15 November 2015 09: 32
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        Quote: Igor39
        "They were so afraid of him" Perhaps he was kind that they were afraid of him, or was there something so afraid of?

        The question is initially not correct, the initial question should be - and who should have been afraid of it from the beginning?
        The correct answer is to crooks and traitors!
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 15 November 2015 09: 53
          -10 qualifying.
          Evdokia Prokhorovna Andrianova - nun (Articles 58-10 [12], sentence twice - 3 + 8 years in prison; shot in 1942);
          Anna Antonovna Vodolanova (born in 1890) - a peasant woman (Articles 58-10, sentence of 6 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Akilina Stepanovna Dubovskaya (born in 1892) - a peasant woman (arts. 58-10, sentence of 10 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Natalia Fedorovna Kopytina (born in 1885) - a peasant woman (Articles 58-10, sentence of 8 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Alexandra Mikhailovna Smolyakova (born in 1880) - a peasant woman (Art. 58-10, sentence of 10 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Irina Lavrentievna Gumenyuk (born in 1885) - a peasant woman (art. 127 [13], sentence - 8 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Ksenia Mikhailovna Radun (born in 1875) - a peasant woman (Article 127, sentence of 5 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Marfa Ivanovna Dudarenko (born in 1885) - a peasant woman (Art. 58-10, sentence of 3 years in prison, executed in 1942);
          Domna Efimovna Vasilkova (born in 1887) - a peasant woman (Articles 58-10, sentence of 3 years in prison, executed in 1942);
          Tatyana Ignatievna Kushnir (born in 1889) - a peasant woman (Articles 58-10, sentence - 2 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Natalia Semenovna Karikh (born in 1885) - churchwarden (Articles 58-10, sentence of 8 years in prison, shot in 1942);
          Justina Matveevna Melanich (born in 1887) is a peasant woman (Articles 58-10, sentencing - 2 years in prison, sentenced to 10 years in prison in the camp).
          In total, about 1942 women - prisoners of ALGERIA were executed in the 50 year.

          Rogues and traitors?
          1. ava09
            ava09 15 November 2015 10: 05
            +9
            The nun, the headman of the church, the peasant woman - saints? I don’t presume to judge, but these "positions" are not yet an alibi.
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 15 November 2015 10: 08
              -10 qualifying.
              Is Beria a saint? I do not presume to judge, but his position is also not an alibi, especially since his party comrades banged him, so rightly so.
              1. ava09
                ava09 16 November 2015 13: 53
                -1
                These are the same "gopniks" and "banged" ...
            2. Secta haki
              Secta haki 16 November 2015 00: 12
              +3
              So by the way - google what punishment is now in some monasteries for homosexual, Muslims at home for this molestation just immediately chop off their heads.
          2. MrK
            MrK 15 November 2015 10: 13
            15
            Quote: Igor39
            In total, about 1942 women - prisoners of ALGERIA were executed in the 50 year.


            You can’t show a document with a reference. And then wherever you look - all innocently killed.
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 15 November 2015 10: 26
              -1
              So in the camp there were only traitors and traitors, the Akmola camp was called the traitors' wives, women were serving there who were unlucky that their husbands were called traitors and they, too, are at the same time, the husband and wife are one Satan! Right?
          3. Down House
            Down House 15 November 2015 12: 02
            +9
            Quote: Igor39
            In total, about 1942 women - prisoners of ALGERIA were executed in the 50 year.
            Rogues and traitors?

            1. It was a camp for "members of the families of traitors to the Motherland" - the maximum number of prisoners there was 8 thousand (or 75% of the repressed) after the "terrible" 1937 - 8 thousand. These are certainly "horrifying in scale" figures for a country with a population of 162 million people, Pol Pot just cries on the sidelines.
            2. 50 out of 8000 shot (and it is not a fact that those who did not die by their own death - in the camps they also get sick and grow old and there are heart attacks and strokes), this is of course also "terrible" - in our country every year in peacetime 35 and more are killed on the streets thousands, but the "liberals" do not care.
            Quote: Igor39
            Evdokia Prokhorovna Andrianova - nun (vv. 58-10 [12]

            Propaganda or agitation containing a call for the commission of certain counter-revolutionary crimes using the religious prejudices of the masses.
            Well, actually, it's my fault!
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 15 November 2015 12: 35
              -8
              In the USSR, the following large units of the Gulag existed:

              • Akmola camp of wives of traitors to the motherland (ALZHIR)
              • Bamlag
              • Berlag
              • Bezymyanlag
              • Belbaltlag
              • Vorkutlag (Vorkuta ITL)
              • Vyatlag
              • Dallag
              • Dzhezkazganlag
              • Dzhugdzhurlag
              • Dmitrovlag (Volgolag)
              • Dubravlag
              • Intalag
              • Karaganda ITL (Karlag)
              • Kizellag
              • Kotlas ITL
              • Kraslag
              • Lokchimlag
              • Norilsklag (Norilsk ITL)
              • Ozerlag
              • Perm camps (Usollag, Visheralag, Cherdynlag, Nyroblag, etc.)
              • Pechorlag
              • Peczheldorlag
              • Breakthrough
              • Svirlag
              • SWEETLE
              • Sevzheldorlag
              • Siblag
              • Solovetsky Special Purpose Camp (ELEPHANT)
              • Taezhlag
              • Ustvymlag
              • Ukhtpechlag
              • Uhtizhemlag
              • Khabarla


              Each of the above camp departments included a number of camp sites and camps.

              Well, if 50 people are a bit in the same camp, then for some Georgian Beria to speak, they shot and the case was over.
              1. Down House
                Down House 15 November 2015 12: 51
                +4
                Quote: Igor39
                Each of the above camp departments included a number of camp sites and camps.

                Oh, and then in other countries there are no prisons - there, millions of them must be shot right away!
                Quote: Igor39
                50 people are a little in the same camp, then for some Georgian Beria to speak, they shot and deal with the end.

                And do not equate criminals and an outstanding statesman!
                1. Igor39
                  Igor39 15 November 2015 13: 00
                  -8
                  laughing Well, and who was convicted for shooting him, huh? No one, and since there was no trial, that means there was no crime, they shot and threw it out. Here it is.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 15 November 2015 13: 24
                    +7
                    Quote: Igor39
                    Well, and who was convicted for shooting him, huh? No one, and since there was no trial, then there was no crime, they shot and threw it out.

                    Well, yes, the Nazis also thought "shot and thrown out."
                    And you, judging by your logic of "shoot and throw" a natural candidate for imprisonment.
                    That's probably why you Beria L.P. I do not like!
                  2. ava09
                    ava09 16 November 2015 15: 27
                    +1
                    For some reason, your "comrades-in-arms" are calling to condemn the "CRIMES of the Stalin era", although the "regime" has not yet brought even the most rabid to court. Based on your logic: (C) and since there was no trial, then there was no crime (C), what kind of "condemnation" are you throwing away slogans? And about Stalin and Beria, the people and time will judge and there will be regular "Stalinist purges" for the enemies ...
              2. raf
                raf 15 November 2015 15: 14
                +8
                smile What camp were your relatives in? Weren't you, then there is no need to splash poisonous saliva on your country, people and history. Shooting of workers on the streets of Soviet cities, corn bread and many other "achievements" of the Khrushchevites do not say anything?
              3. luxprofi
                luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 01
                -1
                They shot one Georgian, and the whole country went under the slope of Khrushchev. We drowned all together, without Georgians, to glorious goulash-communism.
                So, there are no 1-2 Georgians, and no country khan. Yeltsinoids and Khrushchev, plus labeled. So, almost the country has come to an end.
                1. Secta haki
                  Secta haki 19 November 2015 07: 33
                  0
                  Yes, because of these two Orthodox Georgians, the pro-Orthodox Russian people have lived for half a century or a century, and they would have devoured it back then, in the 30s.
              4. nail
                nail 15 November 2015 23: 56
                +2
                What do you spit all the time in the Soviet Union? Take the trouble to count the number of prisoners and prisons in the USA.
              5. I am Russian
                I am Russian 18 November 2015 21: 07
                +1
                The first leaders of the Gulag
                1. Baloo
                  Baloo 20 December 2015 00: 21
                  0
                  Here one more thing is missing, that urka (by the way, a Jew), who suggested to Stalin to create the institution of thieves in law. When he was taken from Moscow to Moscow by plane, a miracle happened: urka went to Stalin, Major General of the NKVD came out (I do not understand the ranks of the NKVD, nowadays, Major General). Mortally ill with cancer, for a long time he persuaded the old reputable sitter Mantis (in 1949) to accept his position in the NKVD and shoulder straps in exchange for freedom. According to legend, they didn’t agree. It seems in a version or a top secret article about this. hi
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          4. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 15 November 2015 12: 34
            10
            Quote: Igor39
            Evdokia Prokhorovna Andrianova
            1932 Article st.58-10 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. Sentence = 3 years in prison.

            1937 Article of article 58-10 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. The accusation "among the local collective farmers carried out sectarian activity against the measures of the soviet power." Article 58-10 of the RSFSR Criminal Code, sentence = 8 years in labor camp.

            1942 The accusation was "c / r activity, c / r religious agitation". Sentence = capital punishment - execution.
            In Karlag arrested with 11 female prisoners (Your list), on charges that "they, while serving their first sentence in the Akmola branch of Karlag, being hostile to the Soviet regime throughout the entire time, starting from June 1941, carried out counterrevolutionary activities directed against the Soviet system, were organizers in carrying out anti-Soviet agitation, hiding behind religious convictions. Since July 3, 1941, being fit for physical labor and provided with food, they did not go to work on the day of their arrest. They did not plead guilty, except that they were religious and carried out religious rituals. " ...
          5. Comrade Bender
            Comrade Bender 15 November 2015 16: 59
            +3
            Did Beria personally judge and shoot them, or were there still an investigator, prosecutor, and judge?
          6. luxprofi
            luxprofi 15 November 2015 18: 57
            +4
            And write to us about the shooting of the White House in 1993! Why was the Star of the Hero given to the head of OMSDON named after Dzerzhinsky? Tell us about letter 42 in 1993, cat. is called "Crush the reptile", and give a list of 10 million people, which reduced the population of Russia, during the years of Yeltsin's rule!
          7. podpolkovnik
            podpolkovnik 16 November 2015 11: 37
            +2
            Quote: Igor39
            Rogues and traitors?
        2. Poplar505
          Poplar505 15 November 2015 19: 11
          +1
          If there was, then the sentence was carried out suspiciously quickly. They killed Stalin (I think that Kaganovich is involved in this). Beria was killed, he knew a lot.
          By the way, the border troops 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX. turned out to be the only combat-ready structure for organized resistance to invasion. And not because they were an advanced screener, but because they on the western borders of the country complied in time with the order of their superior boss, L.P. Beria.
          Khrushchev, who represented more people than Beria and the others put together in 37-39, at the 20th Congress raised the banner of Trotskyism and began to inspire Stalin with inspiration. There is also personal enmity: when Stalin did not cancel the order to shoot Khrushchev’s son, when he was shot down (fought by a fighter pilot), was captured, broke down, became a traitor, stolen and taken to Moscow, we were tried and executed. Khrushchev was lying around at Stalin’s feet, it didn’t help.
          Little Stalin and Beria destroyed the enemies, regretted. Of course, some from the West connected to deal with SIV and BLP. There you go.
      2. ava09
        ava09 15 November 2015 09: 40
        +8
        Quote: Igor39
        "They were so afraid of him" Perhaps he was kind that they were afraid of him, or was there something so afraid of?


        Black intentions and deeds are always afraid of a bright will ... Fear has the nature of fear of the unknown, the criminal does not know when he will be exposed. So the surviving Trotskyists, led by Khrushch, were afraid of a well-deserved assessment, because, unlike Beria, they actively participated in "bloody repressions."
      3. alicante11
        alicante11 15 November 2015 09: 42
        +5
        "They were so afraid of him" Perhaps he was kind that they were afraid of him, or was there something so afraid of?


        Vaska's cat is also kind, but the mice are afraid of him.
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 15 November 2015 10: 02
          -6
          So you mean that the authorities had ruthless predators?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 15 November 2015 12: 21
            +4
            So you mean that the authorities had ruthless predators?


            I mean that the good must be with fists, and your achievements must be protected.
  4. non-placeholder
    non-placeholder 15 November 2015 02: 05
    -37 qualifying.
    why did he start doing good things in 1941? what did you do before - did you keep a shelter for homeless animals and taught God's law in seminary? And in 1937 in Tibet spiritually improved?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 November 2015 07: 50
      19
      Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
      And in 1937 in Tibet spiritually improved?

      Are you talking about Yezhov, whatever you heard, or according to yours, Beria began to build the gulag under kings?
      With the advent of Beria, the repression stopped, many cases were reviewed.
      1. Babr
        Babr 15 November 2015 08: 05
        17
        Lavrenty Beria: did you know him that way?
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      3. non-placeholder
        non-placeholder 15 November 2015 10: 33
        -12 qualifying.
        Quote: Boris55
        Are you talking about Yezhov, whatever you heard, or according to yours, Beria began to build the gulag under kings?
        With the advent of Beria, the repression stopped, many cases were reviewed.

        I heard, but did you hear anything about the purges in the communist parties of Georgia, Armenia, etc., of the 37th year?
        1. luxprofi
          luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 06
          +1
          These are those purges when 30 million, no 50 million innocent bloody Beria shot? Is it Mlechin or Radzinsky said?
          1. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg 16 November 2015 14: 58
            0
            You told yourself about 30 or 50 million shot people
            1. Secta haki
              Secta haki 18 November 2015 16: 39
              0
              Somewhere it was, even more, only the Trotskyists shot so much until they themselves were put into consumption ...
        2. ava09
          ava09 16 November 2015 01: 15
          +3
          Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
          I heard, but did you hear anything about the purges in the communist parties of Georgia, Armenia, etc., of the 37th year?

          We heard that in the Communist Parties of Transcaucasia in 1937, only saints served. Only Beria could do little even against the "purges" until Stalin was able to appoint him to the NKVD. Prior to this appointment, the People's Commissariat was completely under the Trotskyists.
          1. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg 16 November 2015 14: 58
            0
            Is it under Yezhov whom Stalin appointed?
    2. Down House
      Down House 15 November 2015 09: 34
      +6
      Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
      what did you do before

      Yes, all this is known - he strengthened Soviet power, including the leadership of the "power departments".
      Or are you for the power of the Anarchy Bandits? laughing
    3. luxprofi
      luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 05
      +3
      Here is the first order of Beria. Corrected Yezhov's atrocities, and carried out the first rehabilitation of innocently convicted. No need to read co-False Nitsin, Svanidze, and other liberal .... Better to miss the word.
  5. Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 15 November 2015 04: 03
    -16 qualifying.
    My great-grandfather was in the camp, he did not kill anyone, he did not rob anyone, and so to speak, in a modern manner, he paid for freedom of speech, or, more precisely, for the statement of the fact voiced out loud (ours lost and suffered heavy losses at the front and for commenting on their actions was exiled while sitting in a trench). And to write here they say all the criminals came out ... nonsense. I didn't even read further. Our people are not as fluffy as they seem, but very greedy and filthy. So a lot of people turned up there by the scribble of "well-wishers".
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 15 November 2015 04: 46
      12
      Have you read the case of your great-grandfather? Lay out scans.
      1. atalef
        atalef 15 November 2015 08: 13
        -5
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Have you read the case of your great-grandfather? Lay out scans.

        In the USSR, they just didn’t put anyone in prison wink
        , yes? Comrade Stalin wink
        1. Down House
          Down House 15 November 2015 09: 38
          11
          Quote: atalef
          In the USSR, they just didn’t put anyone in prison

          Well, in general, according to judicial statistics, there are innocently repressed Jews even in Israel, the question is in statistics - in general, under Stalin, no matter what individuals say, innocent people were not usually imprisoned - the brightest example of Solzhenitsyn and his "autobiography" - his "like-minded people" were not imprisoned , they said that they "did not pay attention to the ravings of this madman" laughing
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          2. atalef
            atalef 15 November 2015 11: 22
            -8
            Quote: Down House
            the question is in statistics - in general, under Stalin, so that individuals do not speak, innocents are usually not planted

            As I understand it, my great-grandfather, a shoemaker from Torzhok, really was an English spy and terrorist. He was sentenced to 10 years, returned after 2 years (activated) and died of illness at home (less than half a year later), but of course he was rehabilitated by kindness sincere.
            as
            After the death of I.V. Stalin, the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU requested data from the law enforcement bodies of the USSR on the number of people convicted of "counter-revolutionary crimes." A report submitted in February 1954 by USSR Prosecutor General Rudenko, Minister of the Interior Kruglov and Justice Minister Gorshenin, reported 3 convicts under counterrevolutionary articles from 777 to February 380, 1921, of which 1 were sentenced to capital punishment. 1954 people, 642 people were imprisoned in camps and prisons, and 980 people were sent to exile and deportation. About 2 million people were convicted by non-judicial bodies (collegium of the OGPU, the “troika” and the Special Conference), about 369 thousand people were convicted by the courts, military tribunals, the Special Collegium and the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court. [220] [765] Approximately similar information - 180 repressed and 2,9 executed were published in the 900s by KGB officers

            Bodies of the prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation from 1992 to 2004 978891 applications were examined, of which 797532 were resolved and 388412 were granted, 636335 cases were checked against 901127 people and 634165 people were rehabilitated, more than 326 thousand people were recognized as victims of political repressions. [12]

            In total, according to the estimates of the General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation and the rehabilitation commission, in the USSR and the RSFSR "about 32 million people became victims of political repressions, including 13 million during the Civil War,"

            Is it all a lie? Yes ? And out of these millions, everyone sat at work?
            1. apro
              apro 15 November 2015 11: 54
              +3
              Alexander, what do you want to say by this? Do you know the essence of the matter against your relative? The numbers are certainly interesting if you don’t know the criminal but political situation at that difficult time. There were not those who were guilty, they were dishonored, but there were also real enemies of the Soviet state and take off, it was necessary to fight, was the centuries-old backwardness of our state and it had to be overcome, and overcame, perhaps less bloody? Probably it is possible, but do I think Russia remained vryatli.
              1. atalef
                atalef 15 November 2015 12: 06
                -4
                .
                Quote: apro
                Alexander, what do you mean by this? Do you know the essence of the matter against your relative?

                Me yes.
                On a denunciation, he was arrested, admitted. He spied on England and prepared terrorist attacks.
                Convicted by a trio, from the day of arrest to conviction, 8 days were forgiven.
                In 1958, re-rehabilitated.
                So let me remind you who he was - a shoemaker, in a booth near a bazaar in the village of Torzhok (Tveskaya oblast) - 4.5 inhabitants and 3 horses.
                Great-grandfather spoke Yiddish and a little Russian, but that did not stop him from being an English spy.
                Quote: apro
                The numbers are certainly interesting if you don’t know the criminal but political situation at that difficult time.

                well yes . Belomorkanal was just being built. and there were not enough workers

                Quote: apro
                was the centuries-old backwardness of our state and it had to be overcome, and overcame, perhaps less bloody? Probably it is possible, but do I think Russia remained vryatli.

                I understand . just put yourself in the place of my great-grandfather and family members, and there were MILLIONS of them,
                think about it.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 15 November 2015 12: 22
                  11
                  Quote: atalef
                  just put yourself in the place of my great-grandfather and family members, and there were MILLIONS of them,
                  think about it.

                  Well, hundreds of millions were happy with everything, including my ancestors, who, well, clearly did not come from the "committees of the poor".
                  Therefore, let us not pass off the "social stratification" and "judicial errors" existing in every society as massive repressions and denigrate our history.
                  The repression was in Germany - in South Africa - in chile - in Cambodia - in Rwanda.
                  There were no repressions in the USSR, but there was a civil war-counter-revolution-world war and only as a result of this "political" articles in the Criminal Code!
                2. apro
                  apro 15 November 2015 12: 28
                  +7
                  In general, they took the low ground, and most of us are sitting low today, and I think in your country, too, the majority of the s / c are sitting low, so they say. The topic today is generally about LPBeria and with his participation mass rehabilitation and release of illegally convicted , in this regard, I put things in order in the Soviet judicial and executive system. My maternal grandfather miraculously escaped persecution during the Black Sea era, although he served as a policeman in the NKVD system, had to quit and change his place of residence. And the grandmother and neighbors recalled horrified times but about Beria somehow was not mentioned.
                  Quote: atalef
                  well yes . Belomorkanal was just being built. and there were not enough workers

                  When did you start building it?
                  And about the great terror, the members of the Communist Party suffered significant losses in two events, during the Second World War and during the time of the great purge, most of the executed party members.
                3. raf
                  raf 15 November 2015 15: 24
                  +7
                  )))) In-in, and who denounced the denunciation? His relative, a Jew, whose lace was stolen or cheated. Then what does Comrade Stalin or Beria have to do with it?
                  1. Doctorleg
                    Doctorleg 16 November 2015 15: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: raf
                    )))) In-in, and who denounced the denunciation? His relative, a Jew, whose lace was stolen or cheated. Then what does Comrade Stalin or Beria have to do with it?

                    Despite the fact that through their efforts a system was created when the denunciation was given a move
                4. luxprofi
                  luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 14
                  +4
                  Stop steaming. He cited the figures of the repressed for 30 years. Including convicted criminals, traitors, war criminals, Basmachi, Baltic forest brothers, Bandera and other evil spirits. In a year it will turn out quite a bit. This is not 10 million dead during Yeltsinism. Yes there was a terrible nightmare, there was a terrible Berry. There were innocent convicts, read about what it cost Stalin to remove Yezhov, put Beria in his place, and then only shoot Yezhov.
              2. atalef
                atalef 15 November 2015 12: 06
                -5
                .
                Quote: apro
                Alexander, what do you mean by this? Do you know the essence of the matter against your relative?

                Me yes.
                On a denunciation, he was arrested, admitted. He spied on England and prepared terrorist attacks.
                Convicted by a trio, from the day of arrest to conviction, 8 days were forgiven.
                In 1958, re-rehabilitated.
                So let me remind you who he was - a shoemaker, in a booth near a bazaar in the village of Torzhok (Tveskaya oblast) - 4.5 inhabitants and 3 horses.
                Great-grandfather spoke Yiddish and a little Russian, but that did not stop him from being an English spy.
                Quote: apro
                The numbers are certainly interesting if you don’t know the criminal but political situation at that difficult time.

                well yes . Belomorkanal was just being built. and there were not enough workers

                Quote: apro
                was the centuries-old backwardness of our state and it had to be overcome, and overcame, perhaps less bloody? Probably it is possible, but do I think Russia remained vryatli.

                I understand . just put yourself in the place of my great-grandfather and family members, and there were MILLIONS of them,
                think about it.
                1. vladkavkaz
                  vladkavkaz 15 November 2015 12: 19
                  +7
                  atalef
                  So be innocently repressed .. article, you will not name? 58 part what and in what year.

                  So there is no need to moan about millions, for a long time already everything has been calculated, shuffled into categories, and an assessment has been given to the Khrushchev commission, assembled from Trotskyists, on the quality of "rehabilitation", exactly the same as on the commission of a certain Yakovlev, in the same way who worked "on this dirty, unbiased historians, the researchers clearly show that complete lies, the" work "of this and Khrushchev's commissions.

                  Beria before the war, yes, it worked.
                  Doctor of Historical Sciences V. Zemskov gives the following figures:

                  “In total, 1939 327 people (400 223 - from the camps and 600 103 - from the colonies) were released from the GULAG in the GNAGX year, but in this case these figures have little to say, as there is no indication of what percentage of them was ahead of schedule liberated and rehabilitated "enemies of the people." We know that 800 January 1 of the year in Kolyma was 1941 34 liberated campers, of which 000 (3000%) were fully rehabilitated. ”
                  For more information, see here.
                  Full size:
                  http://s017.radikal.ru/i417/1209/95/064871e987b0.png
                2. luxprofi
                  luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  I understand . just put yourself in the place of my great-grandfather and family members, and there were MILLIONS of them,
                  think about it.

                  No hundreds of millions! We will think tirelessly about it. Together with Svanidze, Venediktov, Melechin. And the eternal torch of anti-totalitarianism, co-False Nitzin will be quoted forever. By the way, in case of a terrible and bloody little sasha co-False ... the son of an ordinary typist, in the summer he went to rest to the south. To the Black Sea. In the resorts warmed his ass. There was enough money for a mother alone.
                3. ava09
                  ava09 16 November 2015 10: 56
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  So let me remind you who he was - a shoemaker, in a booth near a bazaar in the village of Torzhok


                  "Shoemaker", as I understand it, in your understanding of the alibi? There is little information to understand who your ancestor was. And it won't help ... The Russians experienced the genocide of the 90s, the crimes of the undead "liberal nationality" and their henchmen - the best advertisement for Stalin and Beria. And the more trash they put on their graves, the stronger the wind of history.
              3. Doctorleg
                Doctorleg 16 November 2015 15: 04
                0
                Quote: apro
                Alexander, what do you want to say by this? Do you know the essence of the matter against your relative? The numbers are certainly interesting if you don’t know the criminal but political situation at that difficult time. There were not those who were guilty, they were dishonored, but there were also real enemies of the Soviet state and take off, it was necessary to fight, was the centuries-old backwardness of our state and it had to be overcome, and overcame, perhaps less bloody? Probably it is possible, but do I think Russia remained vryatli.

                And if you got into this binding? It would comfort you that many others are sitting on business. In general, this is a big dilemma - that it’s better to convict just in case that the guilty person would not slip away from responsibility or justify that the innocent would not sit down. The world goes the second way, hence the presumption of innocence and doubt are interpreted in favor of the accused.
            2. Down House
              Down House 15 November 2015 12: 14
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Sentenced to 10 years, returning after 2 years

              Quote: atalef
              3 convicts under counterrevolutionary articles were reported from 777 to February 380, 1921

              We subtract from 54 21 and divide 3.7 million by the resulting number and get 110 thousand convicts per year.
              We estimate - that they were in prison for 2-10 years (in reality, always less than 10 years), multiply by 2-10 and we get 0.22-1.1 million in prisons annually or 500 thousand "political" annually on average.
              With an "annual" population of the country of at least 150 million, as much as 0.5 million annually imprisoned "for politics" in the conditions of both civil and world war, well, in general, does not roll on "mass repressions!"
              1. atalef
                atalef 15 November 2015 12: 21
                -2
                Quote: Down House
                as much as 0.5 million annually imprisoned "for politics" in the conditions of both civil and world war, well, in general, does not roll on "mass repressions!"


                Yes, nothing at all.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 15 November 2015 12: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  Yes, nothing at all.

                  Well, actually, 0.3% of all inhabitants of the USSR is really "nothing at all", especially considering that it was the advantage of participants in the "civil war".
              2. Doctorleg
                Doctorleg 16 November 2015 16: 01
                0
                And what is massive in your understanding?
            3. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 15 November 2015 13: 01
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              Is it all a lie? Yes ? And out of these millions, everyone sat at work?
              The number of prisoners per 100 thousand

              USSR 1937 and 1938 (the so-called cleaning) - 740/750.

              RF 1999 and 2000 (the time of the law is not for everyone) - 729/729
            4. Mother Theresa
              Mother Theresa 15 November 2015 19: 42
              0
              The funny thing is that these people constantly denounce the SBU in the fact that it constantly neutralizes the agents of the FSB, the GRU and so on.
        2. raf
          raf 15 November 2015 15: 19
          +4
          They imprisoned for things not specious, vile and directed against the USSR. It is evident that not all of the 5th column was transplanted, if after so many years, their descendants now come out with malicious hatred.
      2. Belopolyak
        Belopolyak 15 November 2015 15: 39
        -9
        Quote: Mareman Vasilich
        Have you read the case of your great-grandfather? Lay out scans.

        What are you doing here, the prosecutor to you spread the scans? The clever guy was found. I described one of the moments of my family here that I don't have to prove something to you. And how my own grandfather was captured (in the Northern Fleet at sea) and having fought back without reaching the place of "permanent confinement" was silent for 30 years, no one from the family knew about it. Because just stutter would immediately be next to his father. Nobody was burnt like that. In my family, there was not a single policeman mongrel, no one sagged under the Fritzes in the forest, they survived during the occupation (very few survived, for example, she and my sister remained from a family of 15 people), and don't bark at me there for what and how my grandfather got there. By the way, my great-grandfather was completely rehabilitated later.
        1. luxprofi
          luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 23
          +4
          And I wrote to you how my grandfather, after captivity, went through the filtration camp, and then went quietly to fight. There was no repression or anything else. Mandatory verification under the laws of war. And he respected Stalin to death. So your grandfather did something. And he was afraid all his life that the truth would come up.
    2. apro
      apro 15 November 2015 04: 57
      15
      To get from the front to the camp, this must be something difficult to accomplish.
    3. Down House
      Down House 15 November 2015 09: 35
      +9
      Quote: Belopolsky
      and for commenting on their actions sitting in a trench was exiled

      Well escaped under humane power, alarmist traitors in the context of hostilities shot!
    4. ava09
      ava09 15 November 2015 09: 56
      +9
      Quote: Belopolsky
      in a modern manner paid for freedom of speech, and more precisely for the statement of fact voiced by ear (ours lost and suffered heavy losses at the front and was exiled for commenting on their actions in the trench).


      If your nickname matches the views, then your point of view is clear. Your great-grandfather is simply an alarmist provocateur (from your own words). Say thank you for not being shot at the OKOPA, but exiled. It was a difficult time, but after all they were busy with cowards - they exiled ...
      1. Belopolyak
        Belopolyak 15 November 2015 15: 51
        -1
        Quote: ava09
        If your nickname matches the views, then your point of view is clear. Your great-grandfather is simply an alarmist provocateur (from your own words). Say thank you for not being shot at the OKOPA, but exiled. It was a difficult time, but after all they were busy with cowards - they exiled ...

        Alarmist and provocateur? Did he run back or drop the rifle? He was then quietly received after the battle.
        1. ava09
          ava09 15 November 2015 16: 10
          +3
          Quote: Belopolsky
          Alarmist and provocateur? Did he run back or drop the rifle? He was then quietly received after the battle.

          When they fled from the battlefield, another classification of crime is Desertion. For this they had to shoot before the formation and immediately. You observe either immaturity of life, or a violation of logic. This can lead to sad consequences.
          1. Doctorleg
            Doctorleg 16 November 2015 16: 07
            +1
            Usually someone who thinks like this thinks that he was at that time on horseback. in fact, your statements about the current government would be enough for a dozen. Well, the article is counter-revolutionary agitation. And the time is not easy. Here is the article
    5. raf
      raf 15 November 2015 15: 21
      0
      In, one more descendant of the inferiority was drawn, besides a white-field. Dog krev !!!
      1. Belopolyak
        Belopolyak 15 November 2015 15: 52
        0
        Quote: raf
        In, one more descendant of the inferiority was drawn, besides a white-field. Dog krev !!!

        Belopoliak means Belorussian Pole, not what you thought. And you write about people without knowing their utensils quietly in the toilet, so as not to read your filthy words.
        In general, this site has a lot of all kinds of rabble from the category of "sick", "hurray-patriotism" and other "blind" people. You don't care what and how. You just behave like a herd and God forbid anyone is against it.
        1. ava09
          ava09 15 November 2015 19: 20
          +1
          Quote: Belopolsky
          In general, this site has a lot of all kinds of rabble from the category of "sick", "hurray-patriotism" and other "blind" people. You don't care what and how. You just behave like a herd and God forbid anyone is against it.

          Partly agree, partly not ... I'll try to explain why. I deliberately leave the discussion of "sick", "hurray-patriots" and other "blind", with them everything is more or less clear. I want to express the point of view about "just behaving like a herd and God forbid who is against", firstly ... Debates flared up around your great-grandfather, as I understood from your own words, he was conducting subversive work in a combat situation. I think he was treated fairly and humanely because, at least, his case was investigated and the investigation established that there was no malicious intent or espionage in his actions. But there was SUBSTANTIAL WORK and PUNISHMENT was laid for it. In the conditions of 1941, your great-grandfather is just lucky. But this event does not need to be transferred to the State, it took place at an incomparably low level. In the article, it was about the figures of the State scale, they might accidentally find out about one of the thousands, the most resonant. Now about those "who are against". You probably noticed what large-scale changes have been taking place recently in the international situation, geopolitics and that they are directed against our Motherland? There is such a property of the Russian people - in the years of danger to rally, to unite into one whole. This happens instinctively because only by rallying can we withstand the aggression aimed at DESTROYING the Russians. The 90s were a riot of pluralism of opinions and "democracy"; they passed, tearing and ruining the USSR. Many have experienced the "delights" of the "Western model of development" on their own skin and will not allow a second attempt to return to the 90s. How should they relate to lies and bestial hatred against their Motherland? Personally, I do not wish you to follow the path of your great-grandfather, it is better to learn from other people's mistakes. And about the "Belopolyaks" you have incorrect data, since the time of the Civil War the prefix "Belo" was assigned to anti-communist phenomena, counter-revolutionaries. Or were the "White Finns", "White Chinese" and finally, "White Varleys" also part of the Belarusian people?
          1. Belopolyak
            Belopolyak 16 November 2015 10: 54
            0
            Quote: ava09
            he conducted subversive work in a combat situation

            He simply voiced his thoughts at the start of the war. You invented yourself here and cheated that which was not there.
          2. Belopolyak
            Belopolyak 16 November 2015 11: 02
            0
            Quote: ava09
            You probably noticed what large-scale changes have been taking place recently in the international situation, geopolitics and that they are directed against our Motherland? There is such a property of the Russian people - in the years of danger to rally, to unite into one whole. This happens instinctively because only by rallying can we withstand the aggression aimed at DESTROYING the Russians. The 90s were a riot of pluralism of opinions and "democracy"; they passed, tearing and ruining the USSR.

            So what? here a couple of people behave inappropriately. What you described is not a reason to pour dirt at times. By the way, about the destruction in the 90s, and now it goes, take a look around. Addiction is booming as it can. A friend who is 11 years older than me from all his many friends in the yard and school can call one alive, six months ago two.
            Quote: ava09
            And about the "Belopolyaks" you have incorrect data, since the Civil War the prefix "Belo" was assigned to anti-communist phenomena, counter-revolutionaries. Or "White Finns", "White Chinese" and, finally, "White Varleys" were also part of the Belarusian people?

            The massacre that was staged by the red during the revolution will not justify anything. What happened after 50 years, I do not scold, but what happened during the revolution and the civil one is the grief of the people, and not any "October" holiday and so on. You have forgotten how you mowed down the command staff of the army and navy. You have forgotten how many literate people were mowed down just because they belonged to another class (the division into class was always and everywhere and always will be, in one form or another).
            1. ava09
              ava09 16 November 2015 15: 44
              0
              Quote: Belopolsky
              By the way, about the destruction in the 90s, and now it goes, take a look around. Addiction is booming as it can. A friend who is 11 years older than me from all his many friends in the yard and school can call one alive, six months ago two.

              And I’m talking about this, only in the days of Stalin can you imagine this?
              Quote: Belopolsky
              The massacre that was staged by the red during the revolution will not justify anything. What happened after 50 years, I do not scold, but what happened during the revolution and the civil one is the grief of the people, and not any "October" holiday and so on. You have forgotten how you mowed down the command staff of the army and navy. You have forgotten how many literate people were mowed down just because they belonged to another class (the division into class was always and everywhere and always will be, in one form or another).

              You have a primitive view of a controversial era.
              1. Belopolyak
                Belopolyak 17 November 2015 02: 02
                0
                Quote: ava09
                You have a primitive view of a controversial era.

                Well, what do you know about her at all? What did they write in the textbooks?
    6. luxprofi
      luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 08
      +5
      And my grandfather was captured. On the Kalinin Front. I ran. Passed a test in a filtration camp, and then fought.
  6. fif21
    fif21 15 November 2015 04: 22
    +7
    Another attempt to impose their point of view. At the same time, without working in the archives, without talking with the relatives of the participants in those events, write another myth. And about the writer Simonov with his "trench" truth ... request
  7. dvg79
    dvg79 15 November 2015 05: 06
    32
    His deeds speak for Beria - whatever he does everywhere he succeeds. Thanks to the atomic project, we still exist today.
  8. polk-66
    polk-66 15 November 2015 05: 58
    30
    Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
    why did he start doing good things in 1941? what did you do before - did you keep a shelter for homeless animals and taught God's law in seminary? And in 1937 in Tibet spiritually improved?

    And what does the 37th have to do with it. He has nothing to do with the repressions of the 37th Beria; he was only appointed in the beginning of the first deputy in the 38th. and then the NKVD Commissar. I advise you less to read the nonsense of any Solzhenitsyn, etc., and more to study archival materials !!!
    1. non-placeholder
      non-placeholder 15 November 2015 12: 02
      -10 qualifying.
      and I wrote about the repression of the 37th year? I asked what he was doing until he was appointed People's Commissar. You have studied the question, so enlighten. Did he work on the collective farm before the people's commissariat? or was there still a party line and was he just a participant? and took the same part in the purges, but on a smaller scale than Yezhov, appointed specifically for this. After such terror against the intelligentsia, it was not surprising to make a breakthrough in many areas, including by means of sharashka, about which Solzhenitsyn wrote.
      1. Down House
        Down House 15 November 2015 12: 24
        +3
        Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
        I asked what he was doing until he was appointed People's Commissar.

        First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Georgia
        First Secretary of the Transcaucasian Regional Committee of the CPSU (B.)
        Will arrange?
        1. non-placeholder
          non-placeholder 15 November 2015 13: 28
          0
          no. What did you do at these posts?
          1. Down House
            Down House 15 November 2015 14: 21
            +6
            Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
            no. What did you do at these posts?

            Supervised! laughing
            Beria made a great contribution to the development of the oil industry of Transcaucasia (and this is the oil we need so much in the Second World War), during which many large industrial facilities were put into operation, for example, the Zemo-Avchal hydroelectric station.
            Georgia was transformed into an all-Union resort area.
            By 1940, the volume of industrial production in Georgia increased by 1913 times compared with 10, agricultural - by 2,5 times, with a fundamental change in the structure of agriculture in the direction of highly profitable crops of the subtropical zone (those same "legendary" tangerines)
            1. non-placeholder
              non-placeholder 15 November 2015 14: 37
              -6
              Quote: Down House
              Supervised

              under the leadership of Khrushchev, Gagarin flew into space ... how does this characterize the leader?
              Beria, in the company of Malenkov and Mikoyan, carried out bloody purges in the Central Asian and Caucasian republics. And there he did exactly what Yagoda and Yezhov did in the RSFSR. So why is he the hero of your cranium, and having crushed the hedgehogs, the berries are enemies?
              And the industrialization of the country, which you credit to Beria, was not carried out by the hands of the prisoners gathered by Yezhov?
              1. Down House
                Down House 15 November 2015 14: 53
                +4
                Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
                under the leadership of Khrushchev, Gagarin flew into space ... how does this characterize the leader?

                That is, do you think Khrushchev personally launched Gagarin? laughing
                You have more than superficial ideas about the activities of the top leaders of the state.
                But seriously, both Gagarin and Korolev were people of the Stalin era, but when people who grew up and were brought up by the era of the Khrushchev came to power, we did not get a flight to Mars, but a combiner in power and the collapse of the USSR.
                Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
                made bloody purges in the Central Asian and Caucasian republics.

                "Bloody purges" are under Hitler, Pol Pot and Pinochet - stop lying!
                Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
                And the industrialization of the country, which you credit to Beria, was not carried out by the hands of the prisoners gathered by Yezhov?

                Of course not!
                Do you have a superficial look at the scale of industrialization, how many schools-universities were built for this, how many tractors were produced, how many and how much equipment was purchased abroad, trained to work on it!
                1. non-placeholder
                  non-placeholder 15 November 2015 15: 40
                  -5
                  Did Beria personally build the Zemo-Avchal hydroelectric station? In your opinion, the leaders of the GPU were engaged in construction in the USSR. You read the campaign with difficulty, and talk about my knowledge of history. Lavrenty Pavlovich got what he deserved, like all his predecessors. further polemic is meaningless, due to your ignorance and basic ignorance of the subject
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 15 November 2015 18: 02
                    +2
                    Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
                    Did Beria personally build the Zemo-Avchal hydroelectric station?

                    It was built as part of the GOELRO.
                    In order for you to understand the logic, not all the plans of the leaders of the states manage to be realized during their lifetime.
                    In particular, GOELRO was originally a Leninist plan - but it was already completed and exceeded that I thanked Stalin.
                    The launch of Gagarin into space is also a consequence of the Stalinist economy, the Khrushchev just ruined it, he himself would never have built a basis for such perennial plans.
                    1. non-placeholder
                      non-placeholder 16 November 2015 20: 47
                      -1
                      look at how smart you are, he proved everything himself, though contradicting himself. Returning to the beginning, I pointed out that the achievement of the people does not always correspond with its leader. Like Khrushchev and the cosmos. But you didn’t even bother to read it correctly, pulled out a line from Wikipedia, stuck in the court and began to prove something to me from the point of view of the archivist of the NKVD archive. you're funny wink
              2. MrK
                MrK 16 November 2015 10: 14
                0
                Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
                Beria, in the company of Malenkov and Mikoyan, carried out bloody purges in the Central Asian and Caucasian republics.

                Do not trynd if you do not know. Beria was appointed Deputy. People's Commissar of the NKVD in September 1938, and became People's Commissar in December 1938. Repressions by this time in droves were stopped. In addition, the December Plenum of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks explicitly spoke about innocent people who suffered from repressions.

                A quote from the book by Alexander Kurlyandchik "The Cursed Soviet Power" ... in Prose .Ru

                Not Stalin, but Robert Indrikovich Eikhe proposed the creation of extrajudicial killings, the famous "troika", consisting of the first secretary, local prosecutor and the head of the NKVD (city, region, territory, republic).
                Stalin was against it. But the Politburo voted. Well, the fact that a year later it was such a trio that leaned against Comrade Eikhe’s wall, in my deep conviction, is nothing but sad justice. The party elite, with the same enthusiasm, joined the massacre!
                June 1937, Uzbekistan. The first secretary of the Central Committee of the local Communist Party, Ikramov, asks Moscow to immediately remove the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Republic Fayzulla Khodjaev as an enemy and counter-revolutionary - and cites such a long list of charges that after that Khojaev cannot stay at liberty for a day.
                And Khodzhaev was removed and arrested - and a couple of months later expelled from the party and Ikramov himself was arrested. Both of them went through the same case, both were shot in the same batch of prisoners.
                Omsk The first secretary of the regional committee, Bulatov, joyfully reports that as a result of his shock work, enemies of the people disguised as responsible party workers were removed and expelled from the party. Comrade Bulatov will be tied up on the same charges a little later: the corridors end with a wall.
                Mirzoyan, the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, asks Moscow to remove Comrade Kulumbetov, chairman of the CEC there. Removed, arrested, shot. And a year later, Mirzoyan was allowed along the same route.
                In Turkmenistan, the first secretary Anna Mukhamedov dismissed, expelled from the party and handed over to the NKVD three high-ranking party and Soviet workers, which he proudly reported. The final, in my opinion, is already guessed? Right. And three months have not passed, like Anna Mukhamedova ...
                In Ukraine, Comrade Kosior eradicates the enemies of the people, removing from office, expelling old friends from the party. Then Comrade Postyshev came and took up Kosior, and there others took up Postyshev ...
                In Belarus, Comrade Sharangovich and his team are crushing party and Soviet cadres, searching everywhere for enemies, pests and left deviators. A little later ...
                Well, I guess that's enough. Everywhere the same picture: the "old Bolsheviks" are circling in a terrible round dance, enthusiastically, sincerely putting the former associates against the wall and themselves falling into the same sharp-toothed mechanism.
                The overwhelming majority of them did not in the least doubt the correctness of what was happening - and was ready to participate widely in all of this. The failure occurred exclusively when the faithful Leninists themselves fell into the millstones.
                And what does Beria have to do with it.
                1. non-placeholder
                  non-placeholder 16 November 2015 20: 38
                  -2
                  Wow, what a clown drew. To 38 where was and what did? I tried to wash myself, but failed. And you, learn the materiel.
          2. raf
            raf 15 November 2015 15: 30
            +5
            ))))) I didn’t mess around !!! I rolled up my sleeves, raised the farms of Transcaucasia and drove all sorts of renegades, Saakashvili’s ancestors and the like. Yes, I probably missed something somewhere, if their descendant is being hungry here.
          3. ava09
            ava09 15 November 2015 19: 51
            +2
            Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
            no. What did you do at these posts?


            Did EVERYTHING for the prosperity of the Motherland, including fought with its ENEMIES, like you.
  9. Just BB
    Just BB 15 November 2015 07: 06
    20
    With the departure of Stalin and Beria, the "period of the creators" ended and the "period of trembling" began, but it's a shame that they famously succeeded in appropriating the laurels of the creators, "having painted only the roof"
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2015 07: 23
    +3
    Hundreds of myths composed about BeriaThey have composed so much that it’s hard to figure it out now .. But apparently they did it not with simple ..
    1. Babr
      Babr 15 November 2015 07: 47
      14
      Then one of the members of the forum, in my words, back to the USSR, replied that you won’t enter one river twice
      I agree that you will not enter the same river twice. But the ford was indicated by Stalin. And Khrushch did everything so that they would not see him.
      In times of stagnation, it seems to have calmed down, believing that the Stalinist movement was over. But no. The people subconsciously reaches for this. During the perestroika, a powerful stream of dirt again. And again, he is afloat. (Remember a year ago, what passions were about articles about Stalin on the site, now there are almost no people who believed in the media delirium.) The same applies to Beria.
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 November 2015 14: 14
      -5
      Quote: parusnik
      Hundreds of myths composed about BeriaThey have composed so much that it’s hard to figure it out now .. But apparently they did it not with simple ..

      Because Beria was an opportunist. It was beneficial to be a communist — he was a communist, he did qualitatively what the party (communist) told him to do, after Stalin’s death, he thought that it’s enough to dance to the tune of the party and it’s time to play the first part, but he miscalculated and therefore was blamed for everything.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 16 November 2015 03: 14
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Hundreds of myths composed about BeriaThey have composed so much that it’s hard to figure it out now .. But apparently they did it not with simple ..

      I agree with you completely. What Beria did for the country is impossible to describe. And it is not for nothing that workers of the Atomic Industry honor him. And the S-25 missile belt around Moscow, the construction of which began on the initiative of Beria. I read a book about the defense of the Caucasus in 1942. not one of the reasons why Turkey did not join the Second World War, except for one. The Turks did not wait for the moment when the NKVD divisions would be removed from guarding the passes and guarding the coast in Adzharia to strengthen the North Caucasus direction. This kept them from war.
  11. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 15 November 2015 07: 38
    18
    The highest party shushara saw in him a competitor who was smart, educated, active and could at once deprive her of not only all kinds of benefits, but also bring to the clean water those who had blood on their hands from human blood. He could begin the real restructuring of society and the further growth and prosperity of the state, in which there would be no place for various types of type Khrushchev and the wisdom. As a result, we came to the 90th, the years of the collapse of the state, and the beginning of the end was laid in the 53rd assassination of Beria.
  12. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 15 November 2015 07: 40
    17
    Khrushchev's Ukrainian period was marked by unprecedented repression of "enemies of the people." So you start to wonder - who was right? For one nuclear project, the work of the industry in the evacuation, and after another collapse of the army and navy, the defense industry and "corn"!
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 November 2015 14: 08
      +1
      Quote: TVM - 75
      For one nuclear project, the work of the industry in the evacuation, and after the other the collapse of the army and navy, the defense industry and "corn"!

      Well, then Beria also planned the demilitarization of industry and the reduction of the army ...
      1. Down House
        Down House 15 November 2015 14: 23
        +3
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Well, then Beria also planned the demilitarization of industry and the reduction of the army

        Maybe he planned (the size of the army in peacetime was really redundant - we didn’t need even less for the next years with nuclear weapons on the balance sheet) but this 100% would not have been so mediocre as with the crap!
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 15 November 2015 14: 27
          0
          Quote: Down House
          but this 100% would not be so mediocre as with crunch!

          So we are not aware, for history has not gone along this line.
          1. Down House
            Down House 15 November 2015 14: 43
            +3
            Quote: Mera Joota
            So we are not aware, for history has not gone along this line.

            Vedano, because we can compare the merits of Khrushch and Beria before 1953 - Khrushch, next to Beria, only had the hopak to dance at "corporate parties".
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 16 November 2015 03: 38
      0
      Quote: TVM - 75
      Khrushchev's Ukrainian period was marked by unprecedented repression of "enemies of the people." So you start to wonder - who was right?

      In a speech by Stalin about excesses, he said that Khrushchev.NS. and Eihe.R. and demanded that they increase their plan to uproot the counter-revolution. I read this in a book about Stalin Roy Medvedev
  13. Basil50
    Basil50 15 November 2015 08: 27
    +7
    All arguments about repression are nothing more than judgments. The factual side is not important for prosecutors. The main thing is about * more victims * and * bloody *. Neither the figures nor the eyewitnesses of the events will ever convince the need for the arrest of criminals and traitors. That's all the countries of the world * have the right * to protect citizens from criminals and traitors, but the Soviet Union, and now Russia does not. Moreover, * the democratic public * in the allies of the fighters against the * regime * necessarily includes criminals who have been detained more than once. It was not for nothing that a criminal was easier to obtain a visa into the stronghold of democracy of the USA, as a fighter against the regime, than a person without merit * a fighter *. It is very interesting to compare the number of convicts and prisoners in England and the SOVIET UNION, everything is very clear. The population is smaller, and there are more prisoners, and this is in the metropolis. When compared with the United States, the picture is even more unattractive for the countries of the * democracy * regime.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 November 2015 14: 09
      -6
      Quote: Vasily50
      All arguments about repression are nothing more than judgments. The factual side is not important for prosecutors. The main thing is about * more victims * and * bloody *.

      ... a person who did not live in those days, and for whom the likelihood of a night arrest by denunciation of a neighbor, tends to zero, argues ...
      1. Down House
        Down House 15 November 2015 14: 24
        +4
        Quote: Mera Joota
        for which the likelihood of an overnight arrest on denunciation of a neighbor tends to zero.

        This probability for any resident of that era (unless of course he was not a minister) tended to zero, 100500 times more likely to die from a heart attack stroke that night.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 15 November 2015 19: 04
          +2
          An interesting point is that they argue about repressions and always find negative in the repressions themselves. But the fact that in England the number of convicts and executed was more than at the same time in the SOVIET UNION does not cause any condemnation or rejection. Even disputes about the eligibility of executing minors do not arise. In the USA, the numbers of prisoners and executed are even greater, and nothing, everything is in order.
          Surprisingly, only from the SOVIET UNION and RUSSIANS they required a * angel-like * lifestyle. How is this possible?
          And today, * police officers * will easily throw something, during the investigation they will make him disabled, the judge will immediately set a deadline and everything will be like in the countries of exemplary * democracy *, and human rights activists will come out with * exposures * of the prisoner.
      2. luxprofi
        luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 36
        0
        The people were so afraid of nighttime arrests, especially on denunciation, that they still remember Stalin with kind words. \ By the way, I have his portrait and bust \. I am also a fan of Joseph Vissarionovich, from the people. My grandmother sang a ditty to me as a boy, which they sang out of fear of night arrests in their village. I remember only a few lines: "... Lenin, Stalin, give me fire, I haven't smoked for four days!" Those were terrible times! Potential English spies \ judging by some comments \, sing critical ditties, and bloody executioners - and nothing! The people continued to sing.
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 15 November 2015 19: 39
          +2
          luxprofi
          I confirm that my father-in-law told and hummed the ditties that young people sang, like yours, alive, healthy, and can’t say anything bad about Stalin, on the contrary, they praise.
          The child, told, WHO was afraid, just those who are now howling, aching, stealing and betraying, but those yes, were afraid.
  14. lilian
    lilian 15 November 2015 08: 47
    15
    Opinions are divided on the assessment of personality, because the naive believe that a "good" personality should be good in everything. Was Napoleon a kind-hearted man? It is not known, but the French do not care, they consider him a hero, although it seems like Napoleon is guilty of the death of many people, even non-French ones.
    Why do the Americans honor their Lincoln, although he had slaves after the abolition of slavery? And Russians, in order to pay tribute to the person who moved the country forward or played a big role in achieving victory and full sovereignty, must thoroughly rinse all the bones of this person and find out if he is accidentally involved in what is reprehensible?
    1. trantor
      trantor 15 November 2015 13: 20
      +5
      What can you do here, we have such a character, without a "middle" - either we stumble or kiss, but still to death)
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 15 November 2015 14: 05
        0
        Quote: trantor
        What can you do here, we have such a character, without a "middle" - either we stumble or kiss, but still to death)

        Everything from the fact that most dualists, is black or white, is good or bad, light or darkness. It's hard to evaluate the world differently. But physics gives an answer to all questions, it’s enough to remember that there is no negative temperature, therefore there is no evil, there is not enough good ...
        1. trantor
          trantor 16 November 2015 09: 59
          0
          Quote: Mera Joota
          It’s all because most dualists

          So I'm not saying that is good.
  15. 222222
    222222 15 November 2015 10: 17
    +5
    Quote: zennon
    Well, actually it’s impossible to talk about murder. It was a death sentence.

    Quote: zennon
    Well, actually it’s impossible to talk about murder. It was a death sentence.


    ..... "And who are the judges?" .....
    1. mark7
      mark7 15 November 2015 20: 16
      +3
      Quote: 222222
      ..... "And who are the judges?" ....

      well, golden words! it’s for those who advocate for trial, then they would be judged publicly as after the war, traitors, with newsreels, etc. are all the same a person of this level, but no because they themselves are nothing in life ...
  16. Omsk
    Omsk 15 November 2015 10: 31
    +4
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
    And in 1937 in Tibet spiritually improved?

    Are you talking about Yezhov, whatever you heard, or according to yours, Beria began to build the gulag under kings?
    With the advent of Beria, the repression stopped, many cases were reviewed.


    absolutely right. for some reason, the author does not provide data on how many cases were reviewed and how many were issued with the arrival of Beria in the NKVD.
    The bulk of the political prisoners in the Gulag was sent under Yezhov, and for some reason Beria is credited with all ...
  17. non-placeholder
    non-placeholder 15 November 2015 10: 45
    -5
    Quote: Omich
    absolutely right. for some reason, the author does not provide data on how many cases were reviewed and how many were issued with the arrival of Beria in the NKVD.
    The bulk of the political prisoners in the Gulag was sent under Yezhov, and for some reason Beria is credited with all ...

    so Beria what was he doing while Yezhov filled the GULAG, maybe enlighten ?? purges in 37 ended with Stalin, putting Beria Commissar.
  18. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 15 November 2015 10: 46
    11
    Great man of a great country.
    It is thanks to him that we sit quietly and write all sorts of nonsense on this forum, since it was he who created the Strategic Missile Forces.
  19. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 15 November 2015 10: 49
    11
    From the tandem, Stalin and Beria first killed Stalin, and then, frightened of responsibility, they slammed Beria. I would not be surprised if it turns out that this tandem has become across the throat not only of our party bosses, but also of the international mafia led by Britain and the United States. then fifteen years to break the fascist empire and rebuild their own, most powerful empire, but then the Anglo-Saxons and not only, they will go crazy. And from that time our party bonds began to allow themselves to live in bars. From that time on, the decline of our Red Empire began. and the current "tandem" is no good. Liberals, sir, gore their mosquito.
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  22. non-placeholder
    non-placeholder 15 November 2015 11: 50
    -6
    Quote: Dimon19661
    Great man of a great country.
    It is thanks to him that we sit quietly and write all sorts of nonsense on this forum, since it was he who created the Strategic Missile Forces.

    after death continued the heroic gains of socialism?
    Strategic Missile Forces formed December 17, 1959.
  23. Russia
    Russia 15 November 2015 11: 58
    +7
    There are lees to every wine! But for this we do not refuse his warmth and are grateful to him!
    So man is not sinless! But if one considers his mistakes under the microscope, deliberately forgetting the merits - you can send anyone to hell!
    What our liberals (such as rains, echoes, Svanidz, sobchaks with bulk) are successfully doing.
  24. Aleksander
    Aleksander 15 November 2015 12: 00
    0
    All People's Commissars of the NKVD:

    1. Rykov Alexey Ivanovich, (1881-1938).
    First People's Commissar of the Interior Condemned in 1938, shot
    2. Dzerzhinsky Felix Edmundovich
    "heart attack" allegedly
    3. Beloborodov Alexander Georgievich, (1891-1938).
    Condemned in 1938 shot
    4. Tolmachev Vladimir Nikolaevich, (1886-1937).
    1928 to 1930 year. Condemned in 1937 shot.
    5. Berry Genrikh Genrikhovich, (1891-1938).
    Convicted shot.
    6. Yezhov Nikolay Ivanovich, (1895-1940).
    convicted shot.
    7. Beria Lavrenty Pavlovich, (1899-1953).
    1938-1945, convicted, shot.

    Everything is like people’s, like everyone’s, all career steps have been completed and the result is the same.
    And what is wrong?!! belay
    1. luxprofi
      luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 45
      +6
      Quote: Aleksander
      And what is wrong?!!

      But it's not like that! It’s impossible to harness one team, a horse and a trembling doe! Yezhov, Yagoda, shot for repressions against innocent people, Rykov the Trotskyist, and the instigator of collectivization, in the worst Trotskyist performance. Well and so on. Beria was shot by khrushch. Out of fear. For a complete coup d'etat.
  25. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 15 November 2015 12: 09
    +5
    Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
    Quote: Dimon19661
    Great man of a great country.
    It is thanks to him that we sit quietly and write all sorts of nonsense on this forum, since it was he who created the Strategic Missile Forces.

    after death continued the heroic gains of socialism?
    Strategic Missile Forces formed December 17, 1959.

    He laid the foundation, Korolev, Kurchatov .. his people)
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  26. non-placeholder
    non-placeholder 15 November 2015 12: 24
    +2
    Quote: Dimon19661
    He laid the foundation, Korolev, Kurchatov .. his people)

    belay
    Korolev Sergey Pavlovich -April 21, 1939 he went to Kolyma, where he was at the gold mine Maldyak of the Western Mining Administration and was engaged in the so-called "general work". December 23, 1939 sent to the disposal of Vladlag. (Wikipedia)
    1. Down House
      Down House 15 November 2015 12: 49
      -1
      Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
      Korolev Sergey Pavlovich - April 21, 1939 came to Kolyma,

      It's a shame to write about this - but Korolev was convicted of "budget theft."
      In general, another "rocketman" as an example to you - Berezovsky BA. Author of more than 100 scientific papers and a number of monographs - Doctor of Technical Sciences, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, member of the International Scientific Society for Decision Making Theory.
      After the collapse of the USSR - a thief and an oligarch.
      You see how interesting the fate of two talented people in the USSR and the Russian Federation fellow
      1. non-placeholder
        non-placeholder 15 November 2015 13: 23
        -1
        Quote: Down House
        It's a shame to write about this - but Korolev was convicted of "budget theft."

        and not ashamed to compare the QUEEN with Berezovsky?
        The queen was imprisoned and made a "man of Beria" in the camp, are you all crazy here? Beria collected the best minds, and I do not exclude that he was a good organizer, but by what methods?
        1. Down House
          Down House 15 November 2015 14: 16
          0
          Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
          The queen was imprisoned and made a "man of Beria" in the camp, are you all crazy here?

          Why exactly us ?!
          You are saying that Beria personally planted the Queen, although he was not even one of the many research institutes in the USSR then, he was only one of the leading engineers there!
          In your opinion, Beria wanted to save on salary like that or what ?!
          And there are still 2 options for landing it.
          Either the budget was actually wasted, which theoretically can be believed, since of the whole group of "suspected comrades," only Glushko and Korolyov were convicted, not counting the executed leader and deputy.
          Or it was a "denunciation" by Kostikov, which is also convincing, who removed his competitors as head of the research institute in this way.
          Quote: ne_mestofil-ko
          and not ashamed to compare the QUEEN with Berezovsky

          I think this is a good and illustrative example of how the fate of a talented engineer in the USSR and the Russian Federation fellow
      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 15 November 2015 13: 36
        +2
        Quote: Down House
        It's a shame to write about this - but Korolev was convicted of "budget theft."

        Indeed, you should be ashamed, S.P. Korolev convicted under Art. 58 h. 7,11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR
        Part 7 Opposition to the normal activities of state institutions and enterprises or their appropriate use for the destruction and undermining of state industry, trade and transport, with a view to carrying out the actions provided for in Article 58.1 (economic counter-revolution)
        Part 11 Active actions or an active struggle against the working class and the revolutionary movement, manifested in responsible or highly secret posts under the tsarist regime or with counter-revolutionary governments during the civil war

        Assignment and embezzlement is Art. 116 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR
        The misappropriation or embezzlement by an official or by a person performing any duties on behalf of a state or public institution of money, valuables or other property that is under his jurisdiction by virtue of his official position or performance of duties.

        S.P. Korolev has an article relating not to Chapter 3 OFFICIAL (OFFICIAL) CRIMES, but to Chapter 1 CONTROL - REVOLUTIONARY CRIMES

        I hope you feel ashamed.
        1. Down House
          Down House 15 November 2015 14: 32
          0
          Quote: Mera Joota
          Indeed, you should be ashamed, S.P. Korolev convicted under Art. 58 h. 7,11 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR

          It is precisely that Art. 58 part 7 is an "economic counter-revolution".
          The differences from Article 116 are exclusively in the "interpretation" and "importance" of the crime.
          That is why I put "" budget theft "in quotation marks, so there could be just" irrational spending of the budget ", and a classic" waste ", and a banal" denunciation "- I have described everything above.
          1. Mera joota
            Mera joota 15 November 2015 17: 04
            +1
            Quote: Down House
            That's why I put "" budget theft "in quotes

            Those. do you agree that S.P. Korolev out of hatred of Soviet society, not for the sake of his own gain, let the people's money down the drain? Well, I felt such hostility to everything Soviet, I couldn’t even eat ...
            Art. 58 p. 7 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR is an article for wrecking. Do you really consider S.P.Korolev a pest?
            1. Down House
              Down House 15 November 2015 18: 04
              0
              Quote: Mera Joota
              Those. do you agree that S.P. Korolev out of hatred of Soviet society, not for the sake of his own gain, let the people's money down the drain?

              I have already written what I think on the matter. Why all these "out of hatred of the Soviet society" of yours, I do not understand!
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    2. luxprofi
      luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 40
      -1
      Korolev SERGEY Pavlovich, in modern language, was convicted of misuse of funds. That is, under the economic article. So do not look for a black cat in a dark room. Especially if she is not there. Tupolev was condemned for the economic article. Sloppy handling of state money. And one and the other his whole life was honored and respected by Stalin. They were punished for the case. None of them completely served the term.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 16 November 2015 06: 10
        +1
        Quote: luxprofi
        That is, under the economic article.

        The economic article is Art. 116, Art. 58 refers to the counter-revolution.
      2. Doctorleg
        Doctorleg 16 November 2015 16: 43
        0
        It’s actually written clearly. Not just misuse of funds, but spending with the goal of wrecking. Feel the difference.
  27. Vovanya
    Vovanya 15 November 2015 12: 31
    +2
    L.P. Beria contributed no less to the victory over Germany and her allies than our illustrious commanders and leaders of industries. - this is the most important thesis of the article, and there is reason to consider him the best military leader of the Second World War, because without Beria's work, no "glorified" military leader would have been able to fight at all.
  28. provincial
    provincial 15 November 2015 12: 33
    +1
    Yesterday there was an article about order 227, today an article about Beria, I wonder what topic will be next? I would like the modern "intelligentsia" to say that many of you have achieved what you have now thanks to the Soviet government and the leaders of that government. Perhaps you, unrecognized geniuses, are enraged that the current government did not appreciate your merits in the collapse of the USSR so much and therefore try to influence our minds with your "scribbles". Do not consider your citizens "pipals who eat everything." We also lived in those days and saw, evaluated and remembered the good and the bad. We also remember who you were, how you lived and who you became. Your "enlightenment" has already "jumped" "and tired. Better educate your children and grandchildren, especially in respect of your citizens and love for the Motherland. And history will put everything in its place and appreciate the merits of everyone.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 November 2015 13: 41
      +3
      Quote: provincial
      I would like the modern "intelligentsia" to say - many of you have achieved what you have now thanks to the Soviet government and the leaders of that government

      Any person achieves something only thanks to his efforts NOT WATCHING the existing power.
      Quote: provincial
      Perhaps you, unrecognized geniuses infuriate that the current government has not so much appreciated your merits in the collapse of the USSR

      The current government directly participated in the collapse of the USSR, and therefore is in power. How you protect it means either your stupidity or material interest.
      1. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 15 November 2015 15: 22
        0
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Any person achieves something only thanks to his efforts NOT WATCHING the existing power
        That is how Nicholas II became emperor lol

        The current government directly participated in the collapse of the USSR, and therefore is in power. How you protect it means either your stupidity or material interest
        But this is a fact.
      2. luxprofi
        luxprofi 15 November 2015 19: 55
        +3
        Are you serious?
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Any person achieves something only thanks to his efforts NOT WATCHING the existing power.

        Suppose the state closes schools in villages, makes tuition paid, unemployment in the country, and the young genius has every opportunity to show his talents?
        Or another option. The state builds schools in remote villages, boarding schools for the Far North, so that children can study, the most talented are identified in art or math centers, and guarantees free education. And young geniuses are also revealed.
        Or am I confusing something? Straight forehead to the liberal wall? Well, like talent breaks itself.
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 16 November 2015 06: 24
          +1
          Quote: luxprofi
          Are you serious?

          Quote: luxprofi
          Or am I confusing something?

          Depending on what you consider "to achieve".
          As far as I understand for you this is a social position and material wealth. But this is not what makes man human. The fact that the talented boy did not surpass Dali, but only became an excellent locksmith realizing his talent in metal, does it really matter?
  29. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 November 2015 13: 42
    -1
    Quote: Belopolsky
    Our people are not as fluffy as they seem, but very greedy and filthy. So a lot of people turned up there according to the scribble of "well-wishers".

    Question-- do you have some people ---- what? Are the Bely Poles or something?
  30. Mera joota
    Mera joota 15 November 2015 13: 44
    -2
    I am interested in the position of the patriots towards Beria and Zhukov. Both of them are in favor, while the death of the first is the result of the actions of the second. And somehow they get along in their heads ...
  31. Powder
    Powder 15 November 2015 15: 53
    0
    Quote: Down House

    Of course not!
    Do you have a superficial look at the scale of industrialization, how many schools-universities were built for this, how many tractors were produced, how many and how much equipment was purchased abroad, trained to work on it!

    I will supplement your remark, let the opponent read at least a biography of Yu.A. Gagarin, Vannikov, Korolev and the son of L.P. Beria, a talented engineer, one of the developers of anti-aircraft missile systems. \
    Best regards
  32. Starik72
    Starik72 15 November 2015 16: 11
    +4
    Brothers, what did we live to see? Some condemn the dead, although it is customary for us-Russians to talk about the dead only GOOD, or not to say anything! By WE lost our MORALITY and CONSCIENCE, succumbed to the agitation of the West. Money and consumerism coolly cut OUR ROOTS OF CREATION! Many shit the STALIN USSR, but there was a lot of good and excellent in it! Compare the Stalinist period of the reign, and the periods of the reign of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, if under STALIN the country went along an ascending line of development, then under the leadership of these leaders it was strange and steadily slipping down, and almost fell to the bottom. This is my opinion, and for this opinion, SOME will give me minuses.
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 15 November 2015 17: 11
      +1
      Quote: Starik72
      Money and consumerism are cool cut OUR ROOTS OF CREATION!

      I wonder how money and consumerism cuts the "roots of creation" in the Republic of Korea, for example? They build from microelectronics to supertankers, maybe they are aliens?
      1. Down House
        Down House 15 November 2015 18: 14
        -3
        Quote: Mera Joota
        I wonder how money and consumerism cut the "roots of creation", for example, in the Republic of Korea?

        And what kind of "creation" is there?
        By the way, are you up to date with real life in South Korea?
        In this country (as in Japan) almost the entire economy belongs to chaebols, in which even ordinary seemingly posts are inherited, and ordinary people sign life contracts for them with work and you have no opportunity to quit on your own, like an 8 hour work day and holidays - natural serfdom.
  33. serverny
    serverny 15 November 2015 16: 30
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Down House
    as much as 0.5 million annually imprisoned "for politics" in the conditions of both civil and world war, well, in general, does not roll on "mass repressions!"


    Yes, nothing at all.

    Straws, logs.
    You lie and distort the facts about the past of the USSR in order to denigrate and justify your personal Russophobia as much as possible (the usual thing for those who left, by the way, all without a doubt prove to themselves that they made the right choice).
    But at the same time, you have no say against the modern policy of Israel, openly supporting terrorists, seizing neighboring territories and establishing an apartheid regime on them (simultaneously killing thousands and thousands of Palestinian civilians).

    PS Could you remind me how the cases of the crimes of the Jews, who burned a Palestinian family with children in their house, are progressing? Well, or how were the citizens of Israel punished who with their bare hands tore apart a bystander at a bus stop for "looking like a terrorist"?
    How would you comment on the behavior of ordinary citizens during the "Indestructible Rock" - to go to a barbecue and rejoice, watching how artillery and aircraft kill civilians, is this normal for Jews https://youtu.be/qkYehY92D3E?
    1. atalef
      atalef 15 November 2015 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: serverny
      (a common thing for those who left, by the way, all without a doubt prove to themselves that they made the right choice).

      A familiar phrase, Gomel, are you? Another reincarnation?
      By the way, how is Soviet 103? And the 3rd kind house still stand?
  34. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 15 November 2015 16: 54
    +1
    I watched the video and the thought came up: after all, there was a lot of sense in Stalin's "sharashki". Now, if you take many leaders - every first one can be judged for theft or embezzlement. It will not be possible to transplant all of them, and it is not cost-effective. But limiting their freedom in the appropriate "sharashka" at the place of work is quite beneficial from the state point of view. Moreover, if such a high-ranking "convict" works conscientiously, you can reward, cut off the term, etc. But no - worsening of the situation. Let the person work in his specialty. It will be worse to cut wood.
  35. rotmistr4
    rotmistr4 15 November 2015 17: 23
    +2
    It’s good that such a reaction. So there is still the possibility that we will know the TRUTH! The figure of Lavrenty Pavlovich is ambiguous, like most politicians of that great, formidable, glorious EPOCH !!!!
  36. alleksSalut4507
    alleksSalut4507 16 November 2015 08: 56
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    And then what was Stalin branded if his reign began with the murder? And the whole country suffered because of him.

    The KhNS was also 1-secretary in Ukraine during the repressions. it worked so that the IVS on one of the lists of enemies signed by the HNS wrote, "calm down .....".
  37. non-placeholder
    non-placeholder 16 November 2015 17: 07
    -2
    Quote: Starik72
    Brothers, what did we live to see? Some condemn the dead, although it is customary for us-Russians to talk about the dead only GOOD, or not to say anything! By WE lost our MORALITY and CONSCIENCE, succumbed to the agitation of the West. Money and consumerism coolly cut OUR ROOTS OF CREATION! Many shit the STALIN USSR, but there was a lot of good and excellent in it! Compare the Stalinist period of the reign, and the periods of the reign of Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin, if under STALIN the country went along an ascending line of development, then under the leadership of these leaders it was strange and steadily slipping down, and almost fell to the bottom. This is my opinion, and for this opinion, SOME will give me minuses.

    Minuses, my friend, you will not be instructed in this thread, since you are in the trend here - a tunic with progressive young people who have read patriotic dregs, but for some reason do not want to read biographies of really great people: some of them made a deal with conscience signed accusations on yourself, but someone is not ....
    just a small excerpt from the biography of a big man

    “Mikeladze, blinded during interrogations, was dragged into Beria’s office. And he said: “Conductor, you have been exposed by dealers. We have enough materials to shoot you without official recognition. But do you really not want to lighten your conscience, to scrape yourself in front of the people? ” “Comrade Beria,” the great musician replied.
    “Yaniv is not to blame, and you are well aware of this.”
    “How did you know that I’m Beria?” You're blind! ” “I have an absolute pitch, Lavrenty Pavlovich, I recognize any person by voice.”
    And then Beria said to those who brought the genius of the Georgian people to him: “So drive nails into his ears so that he could not recognize anyone by his voice!” And this was done with Mikeladze. And the Motherland has lost one of its best sons. "
    http://www.peoples.ru/state/leader/fsb/beriya/
    Gentlemen, commentators, break out of your framework of school education + several articles, and just read about the great people of that time, and believe me, Beria does not apply to them.
  38. ilkornej
    ilkornej 17 November 2015 10: 50
    +1
    My relatives did not sit, although they were dispossessed. Many died of starvation, but not one was repressed. And they always said what they thought. I think there were much more of them, but they stopped writing about them - they worked and fought, raised children. Ordinary people.
    1. non-placeholder
      non-placeholder 17 November 2015 12: 59
      -3
      ordinary people were not touched, because there is no need. planted those whose opinion was respected. the ratio in the world of such people is 5% to 95%. Essno 95% lived happily and loved the party.