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Israel starts equipping civilian airliners with anti-man-portable air defense systems

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On the website of the Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviation) published material, which refers to the decision of Israel to equip a civilian aircraft fleet systems to counter the portable anti-aircraft missile systems. We are talking about systems of directional infrared (laser) counteraction, allowing to disorient MANPADS.


It is reported that the idea of ​​equipping civilian aircraft with anti-MANPADS systems appeared as far back as 2002, when an Israeli airline plane flying from the Kenya Mombasa airport was attacked by a man-portable air defense missile system. We are talking about the development of DIRCM, which is being implemented to equip the aircraft of the Israeli air carriers EI-AI, Arkia and Israir. According to some reports, the system generates a laser beam, which causes missiles fired from MANPADS to deviate from the course and burst at a safe distance from the aircraft.

Israel starts equipping civilian airliners with anti-man-portable air defense systems


The system has a missile attack warning segment and a laser generator. It (the system) is mounted in the tail section of the aircraft and all the data that comes from it can be processed by the aircraft’s on-board complexes. The pilot promptly receives all the information that is collected by the anti-attack system of MANPADS.

From the message of the Israeli side:

The DIRCM system is currently undergoing a comprehensive type-certification (DST) process under the supervision of the Civil Administration aviation Israel to demonstrate its compliance with ICAO standards and the regulatory framework of Israel.
Israeli commercial airlines (El Al, Arkia and Izrair) are expected to start operating international and domestic routes with such installed and operating equipment.


The report says that such equipment on some airliners in Israel (in test) mode is set to the second half of the year 2014.
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  1. Uncle
    Uncle 13 November 2015 17: 39
    -2
    directional infrared (laser)
    Infrared and laser radiation are different wavelength ranges. Apparently, translation difficulties.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 13 November 2015 17: 43
      17
      That's right and they’re doing it, now in the Middle East, without protection, as they say, don’t do hell
      1. OlegLex
        OlegLex 13 November 2015 18: 23
        +7
        So we will live to air convoys.
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 13 November 2015 19: 37
          0
          Quote: OlegLex
          So we will live to air convoys.

          a plus))
      2. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 13 November 2015 19: 41
        10 th
        This news is for those who believe in the West’s hard-wound version of the attack on our plane.
        I believe there was a missile from an American or Israeli fighter. At that moment and in that place the "blue flag" exercises of the Israeli Air Force took place
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 13 November 2015 20: 05
          +7
          Quote: armored optimist
          This news is for those who believe in the West’s hard-wound version of the attack on our plane.
          I believe there was a missile from an American or Israeli fighter. At that moment and in that place the "blue flag" exercises of the Israeli Air Force took place

          That is why VO looks like today that people like you are "marshals". When did the plane crash, and when did the exercise end? Google to the rescue!
          1. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 13 November 2015 20: 21
            11 th
            You and I didn’t drink at the Brudershaft. Because I'm with you even on the same field ...!
            And it’s not for you to tell me what teachings are, how they begin and how they end.
            For normal members of the forum. The network has data that the beginning of October 27, and the end of November 3.
          2. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 13 November 2015 20: 51
            -2
            Judging by how your rushed to refute together, your state’s snout is down, and you understand that.
            1. Armored optimist
              Armored optimist 13 November 2015 21: 56
              -4
              The British government confirmed that in August this year, a British passenger airliner was nearly shot down by a rocket in the sky over the Sinai Peninsula. Earlier, the Daily Mail tabloid told about the incident.
              Read more at RBC:
              http://www.rbc.ru/politics/08/11/2015/563e675b9a7947078e7f2069
              1. Hello
                Hello 13 November 2015 22: 10
                +5
                Quote: armored optimist
                The British government confirmed that in August this year, a British passenger airliner was nearly shot down by a rocket in the sky over the Sinai Peninsula. Earlier, the Daily Mail tabloid told about the incident.
                Read more at RBC:
                http://www.rbc.ru/politics/08/11/2015/563e675b9a7947078e7f2069

                Isn’t that the plane that the Britons claimed had evaded the rocket? A 5th generation passenger plane. wassat
                1. Forest
                  Forest 13 November 2015 22: 25
                  +1
                  No, rather switched to hypersound and went at speed)
                2. UralMan
                  UralMan 14 November 2015 08: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Hello
                  Isn’t that the plane that the Britons claimed had dodged a rocket? A fifth-generation passenger plane

                  exactly ... for fear, the pilots farted so that the liner gained speed 4 max laughing
                3. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg 14 November 2015 15: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Hello
                  Isn’t that the plane that the Britons claimed had evaded the rocket? A 5th generation passenger plane. wassat



                  No, no, this is the passenger plane on which they shot an Israeli rocket, but missed;)
        2. Sobol
          Sobol 13 November 2015 20: 30
          11
          Quote: armored optimist
          This news is for those who believe in the West’s hard-wound version of the attack on our plane.
          I believe there was a missile from an American or Israeli fighter. At that moment and in that place the "blue flag" exercises of the Israeli Air Force took place

          That is why to distribute all nonsense on the air? At least they turned the brain - well, why do they need it ?!
          1. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 13 November 2015 21: 11
            11 th
            http://newsrbk.ru/news/2485656-press-sluzhba-cahala-utochnyaet-ucheniya-Blue-Fla
            g-2015zavershilis-29-oktyabrya.html
            Read and minus further
            1. Dan4eG
              Dan4eG 13 November 2015 21: 25
              +7
              At our request, an audit was conducted, after which the representative of the IDF announced: The Blue Flag 2015 exercises ended on October 29. After this date, no action was taken as part of the exercise.

              read, minus!
              But still the question is, how often do missile launches take place at the Air Force exercises? Are two planes flying and figuratives of each other with missiles?
              1. Das Boot
                Das Boot 13 November 2015 22: 00
                +1
                Quote: Dan4eG
                But still the question is, how often do missile launches take place at the Air Force exercises? Are two planes flying and figuratives of each other with missiles?

                come on ... u Armoroptimist Friday the 13th.
                Quote: Dan4eG
                read, minus!

                minus him completely ...
                1. Armored optimist
                  Armored optimist 13 November 2015 22: 42
                  -8
                  Quote: Das Boot
                  minus him completely ...


                  The Union of Schnobels? So who is minus me?
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 14 November 2015 10: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: armored optimist
                    So who is minus me?

                    Do not worry, soon they will start writing to the "black list".
                    The basis is allegedly the imposition of, as the "people" say, minuses for the Israeli flag. And who are people ???
                    So get ready, dear. To absolute isolation. One joy, who put you on the "black list" and will not give you a minus. What a woe!
          2. Taagad
            Taagad 13 November 2015 22: 16
            +7
            If the facts prevent the Bronoptimist from blaming the Jews, then worse for the facts. Bronoptimist’s heart is calmed down by fascism and xenophobia
        3. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 14 November 2015 02: 22
          +1
          West-screwed version of the attack
          the rocket didn’t seem to be, and there are holes from the damaging elements http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/10/british-foreign-secretary-says-bomb-whic

          h-means-missile /
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 14 November 2015 11: 41
            +1
            Quote: sovetskyturist
            there wasn’t any rocket, but there are holes from the damaging elements


            Holes of just the wrong style, with your words, the rocket first flew into the plane, and then exploded ... It does not happen. Something else flashed there, and it is not clear at what point this happened.
            1. Armored optimist
              Armored optimist 15 November 2015 04: 58
              -1
              Or a shard pierced the plane right through. So, believe me, it happens.
      3. Observer2014
        Observer2014 13 November 2015 20: 22
        +3
        Israel starts equipping civilian airliners with anti-man-portable air defense systems
        What a strange coincidence!
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 13 November 2015 21: 27
          +3
          ..... has been installed since the second half of 2014.
          Coincidence!
          I do not think!
    2. Tujh
      Tujh 13 November 2015 17: 53
      13
      Quote: Uncle
      directional infrared (laser)
      Infrared and laser radiation are different wavelength ranges. Apparently, translation difficulties.

      Laser radiation is monochrome, that is, it has one single wavelength. And in principle, laser radiation can be both infrared and ultraviolet. Example: laser pointers have both red radiation and green, DVD drives use a red laser, BlueRay uses a blue laser.
    3. i80186
      i80186 13 November 2015 18: 12
      15
      Infrared and laser light is both delicious and mellow. For "infrared" is the name for the wavelength range of EM radiation, and "laser" is the name for a coherent, monochromatic, polarized and narrowly directed stream of EM radiation, with any wavelength. winked
      In general, lasers - they are even X-ray.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 13 November 2015 18: 29
        0
        In general, lasers - they are even X-ray.


        Yeah, only coherence is kidding ... by the way, infrared, what's that? Heat traps? Something I have not heard about other methods of protection, civilian board there, or some other ....
        1. i80186
          i80186 13 November 2015 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          By the way, infrared, what is it? Heat traps?

          That's what it is.
          http://wlaser.ru/diode/
          And here it looks functionally, well, apparently the radar is also attached to the aircraft.
          http://www.npovk.ru/optiko-e-lektronnye-sredstva-upravleniya-vooruzheniem_0_39.h
          tml
          1. i80186
            i80186 13 November 2015 18: 50
            +1
            By the way, here is an article about it here too.
            http://topwar.ru/60527-lazery-v-aviacii.html
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 13 November 2015 18: 56
            -2
            Quote: i80186
            And here it looks functionally, well, apparently the radar is also attached to the aircraft.

            I also think that we need a launch cutoff radar and one missile ....... or a guided bomb
            1. Throw
              Throw 13 November 2015 20: 01
              +3
              "And now, dear passengers, please fasten your seatbelts, we are going out in a combat turn for targeted bombing" laughing

              What shall we bomb from the civilian side, with suitcases?
              1. Bayonet
                Bayonet 13 November 2015 20: 52
                +1
                Quote: Lance
                What shall we bomb from the civilian side, with suitcases?

                Feces! fellow
                1. Throw
                  Throw 14 November 2015 01: 58
                  0
                  Fu, comrade ...

                  It let the faint of heart bomb them.

                  And the Russian tourist always has a suitcase with explosive booze from duty free! bully
            2. Koshak
              Koshak 14 November 2015 02: 02
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              I also think that we need a launch cutoff radar and one missile ....... or a guided bomb

              It’s better to plant a feed arrow. good
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 14 November 2015 10: 20
                +1
                Quote: Koshak
                Quote: APASUS
                I also think that we need a launch cutoff radar and one missile ....... or a guided bomb

                It’s better to plant a feed arrow. good

                Yes, so as not to delay the decision to arrest, court and prison, you can immediately attach GE M134 MINIGUN to aircraft
          3. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 November 2015 21: 57
            0
            Ah, well, this is laser. I thought that the Jews came up with a concentration of some infrared spot, with the parameters of the side ..... By the way, how do they behave at low altitudes?
        2. dauria
          dauria 13 November 2015 21: 16
          +1
          Something I have not heard about other methods of protection


          If you have not heard, does not mean that they are not. smile Although modern MANPADS may already have monopulse (instantaneous) direction finding in the angle, and even probably combined infrared with television and ultraviolet, there are old missiles. And they just use an integral-type equal-signal zone (a disc with special shading rotates in front of the receiver) Without going into details, the aircraft only needs to create a "flickering" IR light with the same frequency in order to divert the rocket along an angle from the equal-signal direction. This is called "scan frequency interference". There are also more "straightforward" methods. wink How do pilots hooligans blind with a laser pointer, you know?
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 November 2015 20: 51
        +1
        Quote: i80186
        Infrared and laser radiation is both tasty and soft.

        There are powerful lasers operating in the infrared range, including those with the possibility of temperature adjustment of the excitation wavelength. What is the problem ? request
        1. i80186
          i80186 14 November 2015 04: 45
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          What is the problem ?

          In the first comment on the article. smile
    4. NKVD
      NKVD 13 November 2015 18: 34
      0
      There are infrared lasers
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. gjv
        gjv 13 November 2015 18: 51
        +1
        Quote: NKVD
        There are infrared lasers

        Yes. Gas helium-neon and semiconductor quantum cascade lasers.
    5. opus
      opus 13 November 2015 19: 14
      +1
      Quote: Uncle
      Infrared and laser radiation

      infrared laser

      Semiconductor lasers:

      The wavelength depends on the material and structure of the active region:
      near UV, violet, blue - semiconductor nitrides Ga, Al;
      red, near infrared - - compounds based on Al, Ga, As;
      near and mid infrared —- compounds containing In, P, Sb;
      Medium IR - Far IR —- lead salts;
      medium IR - terahertz range —- semiconductor quantum cascade lasers

      650nm - red



      1. mirag2
        mirag2 13 November 2015 20: 17
        0
        Strange, but for a long time someone in Israel (I don’t remember who) said that they have all civilian aircraft already equipped with anti-MANPADS protection systems ...
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 14 November 2015 10: 58
          -2
          Quote: mirag2
          for a long time someone in Israel (I don’t remember who) said that they have all civilian aircraft equipped

          Talking is one thing, and they are very fond of speaking. Another thing to have available.
        2. roman_pilot
          roman_pilot 14 November 2015 13: 12
          0
          Not all, but only those on internal lines.
    6. marlin1203
      marlin1203 13 November 2015 21: 10
      0
      And what is the bomb load of such a "bird"? ISIS people would be surprised ... laughing
    7. Prisoner
      Prisoner 13 November 2015 21: 30
      -1
      What are the cons? Laser radiation is visible radiation in the range from 800 nm to 400 nm. And infrared is thermal longer than optical. what
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. gjv
        gjv 14 November 2015 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Captive
        Laser radiation is visible radiation in the range from 800 nm to 400 nm.

        Minus did not set. However, laser - not only visible. hi
        Wavelength x-ray laser on relativistic electrons 0,085 - 6 nm.
        Wavelength carbon monoxide laser (CO) 2500 - 8300 nm.
    8. Koshak
      Koshak 14 November 2015 01: 52
      +2
      Quote: Uncle
      Infrared and laser radiation are different wavelength ranges. Apparently, translation difficulties.

      Lasers, depending on the working fluid, cover all spectral ranges, including infrared and ultraviolet. A xenon laser, for example, covers a wide range of spectral bands from IR to UV.
    9. Dioxsin
      Dioxsin 16 November 2015 16: 42
      0
      Apparently difficulties with physics.
  2. cniza
    cniza 13 November 2015 17: 40
    +6
    The report says that such equipment on some airliners in Israel (in test) mode is set to the second half of the year 2014.



    They always respond quickly.
  3. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 13 November 2015 17: 43
    +2
    Well, what about our "President C"? Or, again, assurances of intentions and further not gu-gu?
    1. Coconut Tima
      Coconut Tima 13 November 2015 17: 46
      +7
      Concern "Radioelectronic Technologies" (KRET, part of "Rostec") is ready to equip all Russian civil aircraft with onboard defense systems "President-S", if such a decision is made. This was stated by the first deputy general director of the concern, Igor Nasenkov, on the air of the Russia 24 TV channel.
    2. gjv
      gjv 13 November 2015 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, what about our "President C"? Or, again, assurances of intentions and further not gu-gu?

      Jewsfly airplanes Superjet with on-board defense systems "President C"! bully (As advertising)
      1. Throw
        Throw 13 November 2015 20: 04
        0
        Is this an ad for Superjet or President C? wink
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 November 2015 17: 46
    +4
    Work to protect civilian liners should certainly be carried out, since they are now at risk. It is strange that with our potential there are no serious groundwork on this topic. Could protect their sides and offer for export. And by the way, they would buy.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 13 November 2015 19: 05
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      Could protect their sides,


      It just happened as always - until the thunder strikes or the roasted cock pecks ...

      However, who among sensible people could admit such a thought that civilian airliners would start to thresh ???
  5. sir_obs
    sir_obs 13 November 2015 17: 49
    +4
    Off topic. Ukrop media reported that the SBU abducted Yarosh from the base of the right sector near Dnepropetrovsk
    Also with shooting.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 13 November 2015 17: 52
      +7
      Quote: sir_obs
      SBU abducted Yarosh from the base of the right sector

      If it is banged, we will not cry.
      1. sir_obs
        sir_obs 13 November 2015 18: 13
        +5
        We will not, of course, but we would like it not to be dill banged, but to be judged demonstratively and publicly uplifted in Donetsk.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 13 November 2015 19: 07
      0
      Quote: sir_obs
      Off topic. Ukrop media reported that the SBU abducted Yarosh from the base of the right sector near Dnepropetrovsk
      Also with shooting.



      Um ... Not only that, not the topic ... The more they have a showdown, the better for us and the Donbass ...

      Let them bite and annihilate each other ... Both the yellow-black flag and the trident in their hands ...
    3. Turkir
      Turkir 14 November 2015 07: 25
      0
      Off topic. Ukrop media wrote that SBU stole Yarosh from the base of the right sector near Dnepropetrovsk. Also with shooting.

      Thanks for good news.
      The SBU stole - that is, the SBU conducted an operation to abduct (!) Its own citizen in its own country. The state, however.
  6. sever.56
    sever.56 13 November 2015 17: 49
    -1
    The idea, of course, is good, but I’m interested, as the Israelis decided that modern weapons can attack from any direction, from above, from below, from behind, from the front and from any angle. Can their system really cover the plane, creating a spherical defense zone? If they could do this, then of course it is a success ...
    1. Sukhoi
      Sukhoi 13 November 2015 17: 58
      +5
      We are talking about MANPADS, so the area of ​​possible damage is significantly limited.
  7. viktor561
    viktor561 13 November 2015 17: 49
    +4
    Uncle wrote: "Infrared and laser radiation are different wavelength ranges. Apparently, translation difficulties. "- yes no, these are the difficulties of knowledge of physics - since the laser is a monochrome source and can operate in different ranges from ultraviolet to infrared - depending on the modification
    1. zennon
      zennon 13 November 2015 18: 01
      0
      At what height are MANPADS designed and what is the echelon of passenger aircraft?
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 13 November 2015 18: 06
        +5
        Quote: zennon
        At what height are MANPADS designed and what is the echelon of passenger aircraft?


        And who said that the threat to MANPADS aircrafts is significant at the top of the line? When taking off and landing, isn't the board at risk?
        1. zennon
          zennon 13 November 2015 18: 25
          -5
          Quote: Stiletto
          And who said that the threat to MANPADS aircrafts is significant at the top of the line? When taking off and landing, isn't the board at risk?

          And who said that such threats are not monitored by the airport security service? This is a sensitive facility, in case you do not know.
          1. S-cream
            S-cream 13 November 2015 18: 50
            +6
            And you estimate how much a passenger airliner flies (in horizontal projection, so to speak) before you climb at least 2000 m (the ceiling of MANPADS is actually even higher).
            And now, talk about how airport security should work. And what area do you think it should control.
            1. zennon
              zennon 13 November 2015 19: 12
              -6
              Quote: S-cream
              And you estimate how much a passenger airliner flies (in horizontal projection, so to speak) before you climb at least 2000 m (the ceiling of MANPADS is actually even higher).

              Yes, there is a danger, but you and I are not the first to be worried about this problem. As soon as it is so easy to bring down an airplane, we must face a wave of terror using MANPADS. However, this does not happen. By the way, a single missile defeat occurs in one engine. Any modern the plane can fly and land on another / others. And the terrorists apparently, unlike you, know this. Mostly helicopters are affected. So, in August 2002, using a MANPADS in Chechnya, a heavy Mi-26 transport helicopter was shot down, which killed in a crash 115 people. In early November 2003, an American CH-47 helicopter with a large number of military personnel was shot down from a MANPADS missile, six of which were killed. In the same year, on November 22, one of the two missiles set fire to DHL's German transport aircraft at Baghdad Airport, which managed to make an emergency landing.
              According to experts, the total cost of equipping American passenger aircraft with missile defense systems, taking into account the training of personnel, can be from 6 to 12 billion dollars. In this regard, the view is expressed that it is more profitable to buy all MANPADS or improve the security system of airports than equip each aircraft with airborne anti-ballistic systems.
              1. S-cream
                S-cream 13 November 2015 19: 20
                +2
                Quote: zennon
                And the terrorists apparently unlike you know it

                Awesome conclusion. Why do you think so?
                Quote: zennon
                Any modern aircraft can fly and board another / others.
                It's funny Those. FIG with him, let them shoot, because they can’t have more than one MANPADS on one plane, so what? And about the fact that the MANPADS have various warheads do not think? And about the fact that the fuel can catch fire, about the possibility of depressurization of the cabin, and so on? For any aircraft, even one missile from MANPADS - a lot.
                Quote: zennon
                Since it is so easy to bring down an airplane, we must face a wave of terror using MANPADS.
                Of course. After all, MANPADS are sold at every corner. Nobody just buys.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 13 November 2015 19: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: S-cream
                  Awesome conclusion. Why do you think so?

                  And because such attempts are negligible and they are used mainly against helicopters. This is a real threat.
                  Quote: S-cream
                  Of course. After all, MANPADS are sold at every corner. Nobody just buys.

                  Do you even understand how many of them are left in warehouses in Iraq, Libya, and not only?
          2. UralMan
            UralMan 14 November 2015 08: 59
            +1
            Quote: zennon
            And who said that such threats are not monitored by the airport security service? This is a sensitive facility, in case you do not know.


            do not write ... nonsense ... what systems are watching there?
            where did you see them?
            I beg of you...
      2. Manul
        Manul 13 November 2015 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: zennon
        At what height are MANPADS designed and what is the echelon of passenger aircraft?
        And on takeoff and landing? Drive the car to the airport is not difficult.
        1. zennon
          zennon 13 November 2015 18: 25
          -4
          Quote: Manul
          And on takeoff and landing? Drive the car to the airport is not difficult.

          See above.
          1. alex-cn
            alex-cn 13 November 2015 18: 44
            +1
            Given the fact that there are MANPADS with a range of 4,5 km, they will have to control the floor of Israel continuously ... But you still need to fly ... You can stop tourists ...
            1. zennon
              zennon 13 November 2015 18: 55
              -3
              Quote: alex-cn
              Given that there are MANPADS with a range of 4,5 km, they will have to control the floor of Israel continuously ...

              Understand that the glide path of any airport is designed with an eye to the possibility of using MANPADS. It is controlled. And MANPADS shooting is possible only on catch-up courses. So when you take off, terrorists have to stand close to the runway. Who will let them go there?
              1. alex-cn
                alex-cn 13 November 2015 19: 04
                +1
                And they are tracking for sure ... Only it’s better to set traps as well, because it is still more reliable. We need to think about people.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 13 November 2015 19: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: alex-cn
                  Only it’s better to set traps, because it’s still more reliable.

                  This is not an option. Nothing stands still. To improve the guidance accuracy and noise immunity in the presence of natural and artificial interference, missiles (Igla and Stinger MANPADS) can be equipped with a two-channel seeker operating in both thermal and photocontrast modes.
              2. S-cream
                S-cream 13 November 2015 19: 26
                +3
                Quote: zennon
                Understand that the glide path of any airport is designed with an eye to the possibilities of using MANPADS.

                Yeah. Sochi also designed with an eye on MANPADS? Or just fit into the relief and the wind rose? Don't talk nonsense in general.
                1. zennon
                  zennon 13 November 2015 19: 35
                  -5
                  Quote: S-cream
                  Yeah. Sochi also designed with an eye on MANPADS? Or just fit into the relief and the wind rose? Don't talk nonsense in general.

                  How?
              3. S-cream
                S-cream 13 November 2015 19: 31
                0
                Quote: zennon
                So when you take off, terrorists need to stand close to the runway. Who will let them go there?

                Nonsense again. Airplane climb speed - 60 km / h. Takeoff speed - 250 km / h.
                Thus, the plane will gain 3000 meters in 180 seconds. During the same time, it will move 12,5 km from the take-off point. What is there "to stand close to the runway" ???
                1. zennon
                  zennon 13 November 2015 19: 48
                  -4
                  Quote: S-cream
                  Thus, the plane will gain 3000 meters in 180 seconds. During the same time, it will move 12,5 km from the take-off point. What's "to stand close to the runway" ??

                  The speed of the MANPADS missile is also not instantaneous. And the farther the shooter stands, the higher the speed of the aircraft and its height. Accordingly, there is less chance of defeat. So you need to stand a kilometer or two from the runway. I think this is controlled.
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 13 November 2015 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: zennon
        At what height are MANPADS designed and what is the echelon of passenger aircraft?



        They have there (in Israel) threats from all sides ... And take-off and landing without any missiles is the most difficult element of the flight ...

        PS A terrorist climbed onto the roof of a house with MANPADS and pulled on a take-off-landing plane ...
  8. mich
    mich 13 November 2015 18: 03
    -2
    the Israelis have always been able to earn money ... something I have not heard before about their developments on this issue, and here they are already starting to equip.
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 13 November 2015 18: 21
      12
      Do you think saving a passenger airliner is just such an Israeli chip for taking money from the budget? We would like to cut money on this, we would sell it for export to the right and to the left. And so they are trying to protect their citizens, which is worthy of respect!
      1. mich
        mich 13 November 2015 23: 26
        -1
        Have you heard anything about Israel's testing of this system? I do not argue, this is a good start, but efficiency is questionable ... many argue that President-S is a more promising development, so why should Israel not equip its aircraft with it? In my opinion, in view of recent events, the Israelis want to hit a good jackpot by killing two birds with one stone, because, as you know, they do not save on security. Remember this when you hear about the first export contracts.
        1. atalef
          atalef 13 November 2015 23: 37
          +4
          Quote: Mich
          Have you heard anything about Israel’s testing of this system?

          No, that’s how it was delivered and not experienced.

          Tomorrow they shot down a plane and all claims fell not on the owner but on the company of the manufacturer
          Quote: Mich
          I do not argue, this is a good start, but efficiency is questionable ... many argue that President-S is a more promising development, so why should Israel not equip its aircraft with it?

          Of course, I'm not special in this. but somehow from experience, albeit not large (25 years). but it’s safer to fly like Israeli companies (and I fly a lot). and it is felt in everything

          Quote: Mich
          My opinion - in view of recent events, the Israelis want to hit a good jackpot by killing two birds with one stone,

          Calm down, these systems began to put
          19/10/2011
          The Israeli company Rafael is on the path to adapting a defense system against MANPADS for use on civilian aircraft. After detection of an anti-aircraft missile by airborne sensors, the countermeasures equipment generates a light beam towards the attacking missile as a false target to disorient its GOS. The cost of equipping an aircraft with such a system, according to developers, could be about $ 2 million. In connection with the loss of thousands of MANPADS from Libyan arms depots, Israel intends to equip all of its airliners with a new defensive system C-Music (Commercial-Multi Spectral Infrared Countermeasure) company El-Op. According to the creators of the system, this is the first commercially available system designed for installation on civilian helicopters and aircraft to protect them from MANPADS.

          http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/news/izrailskaya-kompaniya-el-op-predlagaet-novuyu-
          sistemu-dlya-zashchity-ot-raket-pzrk /
          2011, I hope I understood what I mean.
        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten 14 November 2015 11: 23
          +2
          Quote: Mich
          Have you heard anything about Israel’s testing of this system?

          The magazine "maarahot" had an article about testing this complex several years ago (~ 4-5 years). You will forgive that Israel did not bother with placing information about the tests in the "red star", the Tsakhal has other specialized publications.
    2. opus
      opus 13 November 2015 19: 20
      +2
      Quote: Mich
      .. something I have not heard before about their developments on this issue, and here they are already starting to equip.

      This is a Scottish development

      Directional Infra Red Counter Measure (DIRCM) systems for the transnational corporation SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems (S&AS), which co-developed the first generation of DIRCM systems for the military-industrial complex together with its partner Northrop Grumman Corporation ( NGC).

      DIRCM systems are able to record missile launch facts and determine whether they pose a threat to aircraft, then notify aircraft crews of the threat and activate a powerful countermeasure system to track and suppress the threat focus.


      Actually the leader of Northrop Grumman


      1. Ahmed
        Ahmed 13 November 2015 21: 53
        +2
        Quote: opus
        This is a Scottish engineering ...


        The Israelis put on their DIRCM, "MUSIC ™" from Elbit Systems.
        DIRCM is not a brand, but an abbreviation of the kind of system. (Like PRLAB or RDSM for example)

        "MUSIC ™"


        Quote: opus
        Actually the leader of Northrop Grumman


        A controversial statement, in Russia, for example, they claim that the palm tree is for "President-S". request
        1. opus
          opus 13 November 2015 23: 23
          0
          Quote: Ahmed
          The Israelis put on their DIRCM, "MUSIC ™" from Elbit Systems.

          Well this is the same as "my" Iron Dome ™. Developed by the Israeli company Rafael, with the PR "Tamir".
          You yourself probably know what kind of Tamir it is, and whose money
          So in music 85% (my opinion) SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems (
          Quote: Ahmed
          in Russia, for example, they argue that the transfer palm is for "President-S".

          Not in Russia.
          And SOME of the Russians.
          So what?
          1. Israel claims that Tamir costs $ 3000 belay , with the cost of the progenitor under $ 70000, and BOPS for Merkava from $ 10000
          2.And Academician (Ieptyt Academician !!!!!) Ashurbeyli, Igor Raufovich (though he is also a co-operator, like Head & Shoulders shampoo: anti-dandruff and conditioner) publicly declared on a clear eye that if only, if only, yes he would have easily shot down the Chelyabinsk meteorite (50 km / s azimuthal, by the way, at 70 km, as it were, "easily") with the S-300 complex.
          What now to believe all sorts of nonsense?
      2. mich
        mich 13 November 2015 23: 11
        0
        Thanks for the educational program colleague good
    3. Ahmed
      Ahmed 13 November 2015 21: 46
      +2
      Quote: Mich
      something I have not heard before about their developments on this issue ...


      https://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitmain/area-in2.asp?parent=399&num=400&num2=400
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 November 2015 18: 06
    10
    That's just how they solve the problem in a country where the lives of citizens are worth something ... good
    1. zennon
      zennon 13 November 2015 19: 55
      -2
      Quote: yuriy55
      That's just how they solve the problem in a country where the lives of citizens are worth something ... good

      Now look at the statistics of civilian casualties per 100 people and compare with ours. So where is life worth it?
      http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/686321
  10. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 13 November 2015 18: 16
    0
    The military-industrial complex should be happy in general. How many orders will there be? The last World’s orders for the construction of an air fleet are smoking on the sidelines. The people are generally literate, and they will understand where the legs grow from.
  11. Lenin
    Lenin 13 November 2015 18: 19
    +1
    Well, I only wrote in another article.
    Lenin SU Today, 16:10 | The Americans are sending the Syrian "rebels" weapons capable of shooting down a passenger liner! ("Boulevard Voltaire", France)
    Damn one buzz, that we can’t equip our civilian vessels with electronic warning and protection means, with a signal output about the fact of an attack on the recorder. And so the plane, the rocket, the stinger are sitting and wondering ... am

    And Israel already did, stole the idea.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 13 November 2015 19: 14
      +1
      Quote: Lenin
      And Israel already did, stole the idea.



      Um ... Why was it stolen ??? There, according to the most conservative estimates, 30% of the brains are ours, Soviet-Russian ...

      PS What a shame ...
      1. Ahmed
        Ahmed 13 November 2015 22: 09
        +6
        Quote: veksha50
        There, according to the most conservative estimates, 30% of the brains are ours, Soviet-Russian ...


        AHTUNG !!! wassat

        Well, what kind of people, while the Jews lived with you - you drove them to "get out to their Israel", and as soon as they left - immediately became "Soviet-Russian" ??? laughing laughing laughing

        I will grieve you in Israel all brain Jewish fellow And while they lived in the USSR, they were also Jewish. fellow (They were simply out of place). drinks
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      3. Taagad
        Taagad 13 November 2015 22: 23
        +3
        No, it’s been 20 years already, these are the children of Soviet Jews, and the Russian language is already different for them ... Years fly ...
  12. Gunther
    Gunther 13 November 2015 18: 28
    +4
    Well done. Here real care for their citizens.
    Although this defense system is possible and imperfect, the fact itself speaks volumes.
  13. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 13 November 2015 18: 39
    0
    and the states and Saudis are unleashing a war in the Middle East; then peace will not be good either
  14. maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 13 November 2015 18: 47
    0
    And rightly so! Sinai is an example. Ours, too, would not hurt to think about it. There are too many nibbles around us. Moreover, these black cormorants promised us the fall. Plus, the Americans, in order to help the moderate, make adjustments ...
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 13 November 2015 19: 00
    0
    "Israel starts equipping civilian airliners with anti-man-portable air defense systems"...

    Say what you like, but if a state, even a small one like Israel, is constantly at war with almost all its neighbors, this gives dynamics in the development of sectors that you won’t think about ...

    After all, neither the United States, nor Naglia, nor Russia thought of such a thing ...

    In general, I would be glad if our aircraft would equip such systems ...

    PS Although it would be unprofitable for such large countries that have a large civilian fleet such as the USA, England, Russia, but it would be nice to have a separate BTA squadron (or even regiment) equipped with such a system ...
  16. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 13 November 2015 19: 04
    -4
    It's epic! A civilian aircraft takes off and fires off heat traps before entering the train .... Of course, countermeasures are on the alert at any airport. I went out to smoke, struck a lighter, and you got a racket! Figase "tourism"! Comrade Putin is right a hundred times: "Rest at home, servicemen." (from).
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  17. MACCABI-TLV
    MACCABI-TLV 13 November 2015 19: 17
    +6
    https://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitmain/area-in2.asp?parent=399&num=400&num2=400

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  18. roskot
    roskot 13 November 2015 19: 18
    +1
    Quote: coconut tim
    Concern "Radioelectronic Technologies" (KRET, part of "Rostec") is ready to equip all Russian civil aircraft with onboard defense systems "President-S", if such a decision is made. This was stated by the first deputy general director of the concern, Igor Nasenkov, on the air of the Russia 24 TV channel.


    So you need to equip. Human life is more expensive.
  19. Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 13 November 2015 19: 43
    -2
    chelovektapok. "Rest at home, servants." Let all sorts of Egypt, Turkey and Israel bear losses.
  20. rn6lle
    rn6lle 13 November 2015 19: 44
    -3
    It’s better to counteract the liner with an escort of 2pcs 29miga and 1 su34, two distract, and one opposes, the liner flies and that's all, except for the anti-aircraft gunners !!!
  21. 1rl141
    1rl141 13 November 2015 23: 21
    +1
    Quote: zennon
    At what height are MANPADS designed and what is the level of passenger aircraft?

    The level of civilian aircraft is 9000 - 11000 meters. This is for long-range aviation, aircraft such as Boeing, Tu-154, and the like.
    For local airlines, echelons of 5000 - 7000 meters are provided. This is for aircraft like the Yak-42 and the like.
    That is, MANPADS may well reach the plane flying on the echelon of the local airline.
    But long-range aircraft also sooner or later need to decline. As well as take off and gain altitude. So they can be at risk.
    The question is different. How effective these laser systems will be in cloudy conditions. For a laser beam, cloudiness is just death.
  22. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 13 November 2015 23: 58
    +6
    Last year, Elbit signed a very large contract with the German DIEHL Defense to equip all military transport A400M German air forces with the J-Music system (combat option). The Germans chose, evaluated and tested (!) Very hard ....
  23. Seneca
    Seneca 14 November 2015 00: 45
    +2
    And who said that such threats are not monitored by the airport security service? This is a sensitive facility, in case you do not know. [/ Quote]

    Every day, more than a dozen airbuses fly past me, landing them. It's not like they can be knocked down from a MANPADS (I repent a couple of times I tried lol ) So ... I have never seen the aerodrome security service in this risk zone for airliners.
  24. mamont5
    mamont5 14 November 2015 14: 29
    +1
    Quote: 79807420129
    That's right and they’re doing it, now in the Middle East, without protection, as they say, don’t do hell

    Israel has long been fighting terrorists. We would establish cooperation with him in this vein. In many ways, we have the same goals with him. And our support to Israel will not hurt, because The United States is becoming more and more decrepit and has already become completely confused in its provocations.