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It's time to get Putin in trouble (US News and World Report, USA)

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Retired Army General Wesley Clark


The former commander-in-chief of the NATO forces in Europe says that the Obama administration should seize the moment when Putin’s attention is riveted on other things and ignite the Ukrainian crisis.

Moscow is in suspense. It conducts an open military campaign in Syria and secret subversive actions in Ukraine, annexing the Crimean Peninsula last year. The Russian government is also facing growing international pressure, pondering how to respond to the explosion of a civilian jetliner full of rest, and the assumption that the Islamic State carried out the attack.

Now is the time to deliver unexpected troubles to Putin.

“If the United States is closely following Russian plans, they should understand that now is the perfect time to step up assistance to Ukraine in the field of economics and military training,” said retired army general Wesley Clark, who before his discharge from the army commanded NATO forces in Europe. “If we want to train the Ukrainian army and deliver defensive weapons to it, now is the time for that.”

Clark, who unsuccessfully tried to become a Democratic presidential candidate in 2004, very actively advocates that President Barack Obama put such a Ukrainian army weapon, for example, anti-tank missile systems, as well as intensified work on its training. So far, the Obama administration refuses to escalate tensions between the West and the East, which may also provoke new actions by separatist rebels in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, who enjoy the support of Russia.

It's time to get Putin in trouble (US News and World Report, USA)

Caricature of Wesley Clark during the 2004 presidential race of the year.

Ukraine, which was once the “breadbasket of the Soviet Union,” after its collapse, increasingly identifies itself with the West, which causes a strong reaction of discontent from Moscow, which it considers the threat of Kiev’s attempt to join the NATO alliance. When last year, as a result of a popular uprising, its pro-Russian president was expelled, Ukraine appealed to the West to supply military equipment, training and financial assistance to counter Russian aggression, while it is trying to curb corruption within the country that became widespread there. .

Some Obama advisers are aggressively offering him to supply modern weapons systems to Ukraine in addition to the non-lethal assistance that the United States currently provides.

“I personally belong to that camp, which believes that we must provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, mainly anti-tank weapons,” said Evelyn Farkas, who held the position of Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Ukraine last Friday. Eurasia.


Evelyn Farkas ex-Assistant Minister of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia.

Farkas told reporters on Friday that her departure was not related to political differences within the administration, but expressed concern about what the administration was not doing enough to contain Russia.

Obama gets conflicting advice on this issue. Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, commander of US forces in Europe, believes that Russia, with its decreasing budget, will not be able to expand military activity. But if in such conditions more weapons appear in the theater, the situation may become more dangerous.

“If the United States provides a lot of weapons, say, Ukraine, and this will lead to the death of a large number of Russian soldiers and the destruction of a large number of Russian equipment, the strategic calculations will not move in any positive direction,” he told US News in September. “If Putin starts to suffer great losses there, then I think he will redouble his efforts and we will get a serious escalation.”

“I do not mind that Ukrainian soldiers had the opportunity to destroy Russian Tanksbut we must not lose sight of the broader strategic picture. If we begin to supply offensive weapons, this will lead to serious contradictions with our allies, weakening the unity of the alliance against Russia, which is very important. "

But according to Clark, the needs of Putin's wars, Russia's internal problems and the ongoing investigation of the crash provide a good opportunity to take advantage of the moment.

“Why not seize the moment when Putin’s attention is riveted on other things? - he says. - It is necessary to put it at a disadvantage, to outsmart it. To show that while he leads the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine. ”
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  1. avvg
    avvg 13 November 2015 08: 16 New
    45
    Yes, P.R.I.D.U.R.K.O.V. everywhere is enough, and even more so in America.
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 13 November 2015 08: 30 New
      35
      It's time to get Putin in trouble

      Let, provide, only do not bite your own tails, shakAlye !!
      1. Temples
        Temples 13 November 2015 08: 37 New
        48
        The actions of Russia forced the Western rulers to remove the mask.
        Now it has become clear to everyone in Russia what the West wants.
        There has never been a desire in the West to exist together with Russia.
        They do not want to live in peace and harmony.
        Stupid dogs like this general began to bark openly.
        They are trained precisely for this.
        Analytics is not his thing.
        Just a bullshit dog who wants to get one more bone from the owner.
        1. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 13 November 2015 09: 00 New
          +7
          better to shoot yourself right away .....!
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 13 November 2015 09: 34 New
            11
            We must put him at a disadvantage, outwit (Putin)

            Your trickster is with the little finger of a baby! But Putin will not fit in your mouth!
            (Forgive me for such vulgarity, but such morons want to answer that way, in an adult way!)
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 13 November 2015 10: 20 New
              +9
              Theoretical, it is possible to implement a plan in which DLNR will suffer heavy losses. But, for this, the Americans need to act independently. If you spend time training the Ukrainian soldier, owning new equipment, then they will get nothing at the output. Over time, the possibility of the militia will grow in proportion to the Ukrainian army.

              if Putin begins to suffer heavy losses there, then I think he will double his efforts, and we will get a serious escalation

              It's like that. If the Americans get involved. That DLNR can suffer heavy losses. And then Putin will be forced to use a regular army with all its combat capabilities. And the Americans in this case are simply not able to win in Ukraine, just look at its geographical location. The Americans are certainly tough guys, but not in such numbers and not so close to the borders of Russia and its ally (Belarus).

              If we begin to supply offensive weapons, this will lead to serious contradictions with our allies, weakening the unity of the alliance against Russia, which is very important. "

              Correctly the uncle argues. Europeans need a war with Russia no more than a goat button accordion. In the event of hostilities in Ukraine, the overwhelming number of NATO allies will not support the United States.

              PS
              Perhaps with different losses, but in the end, the Russian Armed Forces will succeed in a hypothetical war with the United States in Ukraine, near its borders.
              Plus, after such aggression, Ukraine will cease to be “unplaced”. I mean that the puppet government will be dropped.
            2. Mahmut
              Mahmut 13 November 2015 10: 21 New
              +7
              They usually say about nuts that he does not have everything at home. But this pretzel seems to have no one at home.
          2. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 13 November 2015 09: 51 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexey-74
            better to shoot yourself right away .....!

            Surrounded by such women as in the photo they can be understood, but not necessary!
            1. comprochikos
              comprochikos 13 November 2015 10: 10 New
              +3
              Russians outwit? What are sick at all? They probably do not know who Suvorov, Ushakov or Kutuzov are, whose military science is passed down from generation to generation.
          3. meriem1
            meriem1 13 November 2015 10: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexey-74
            “Why not seize the moment when Putin’s attention is riveted on other things? - he says. - It is necessary to put it at a disadvantage, to outsmart it. To show that while he leads the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine. ”


            Exactly this ( better to shoot yourself right away .....! они и делают. Перехетрильщики хреновы! На лицо кризис мироощущения у "избранных". А потуги подобные их мыслям видны в виде обстрелов Донбасса!!!
        2. Das Boot
          Das Boot 13 November 2015 09: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: Temples
          The actions of Russia forced the Western rulers to remove the mask.

          yes what, nafig masks? The habit of thinking with newspaper editorials and caricatures of Kukryniksov has a bad effect on the nervous system) One must be a very narrow-minded person to suspect the West of sympathy for Russia.
          Quote: Temples
          There has never been a desire in the West to exist together with Russia.

          Straight revelation laughing
          Quote: Temples
          They do not want to live in peace and harmony.

          Потому как мы по-разному понимаем "мир и согласие") Для нас это прежде всего - паритет и сотрудничество, а для Штатов - диктат, доминирование и принуждение к покорности. И, собственно, они (Штаты) этого никогда и не скрывали.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2015 11: 12 New
          +3
          And what about her evil eyes?
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 13 November 2015 11: 42 New
            10
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And what about her evil eyes?
        4. just exp
          just exp 13 November 2015 11: 30 New
          +2
          so Wesley Clark is just one of those who took off the mask from the west.
          Yes, he did not become a Russophile, but he speaks honestly about what he knows.
        5. Borets
          Borets 13 November 2015 11: 37 New
          0
          They simply don’t even realize that GDP can play on several fronts)
      2. oblako
        oblako 13 November 2015 09: 14 New
        +3
        “If the United States provides a lot of weapons, say, Ukraine, and this will lead to the death of a large number of Russian soldiers and the destruction of a large number of Russian equipment, the strategic calculations will not move in any positive direction,” he told US News in September. “If Putin starts to suffer great losses there, then I think he will redouble his efforts and we will get a serious escalation.”

        Ну если так будет, тогда и по "каналам поставки" не грех навернуть... Давно по сусалам не получали наверное... думать разучились за речкой, а она как оказалось не такая уж и широкая. Внимательно следите за утечками информации из МО, бандерлоги...
    2. 44 World
      44 World 13 November 2015 08: 35 New
      +6
      Hold your pocket wider Mr. Clark ...
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 13 November 2015 08: 37 New
      15
      Horror as you need now the eruption of Yellowstone. Guys, imagine if the USA suddenly died, how the world would change for the better, how the Isis would be crushed, how the Turks would shut up with the Arabs supplying these thugs, how would all the refugees be returned to their homeland, even forcibly. How it all depends on these fucking Americans with their fucking dollars and the economy imposed on the World with loan interest.
      1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
        Vladimir Pozlnyakov 13 November 2015 10: 21 New
        +3
        "Товарищ Курчатов, а как у нас дела с проливом между Аляской и Мексикой!?"
        I.V. Stalin (It is a pity that a joke)!
    4. 79807420129
      79807420129 13 November 2015 08: 40 New
      15
      No one doubts that the war in territory 404, the question is when? Outsmart a chess player who plays on several boards at once and drives opponents into a corner; on the alert whales are capable of any meanness.
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    6. armageddon
      armageddon 13 November 2015 08: 47 New
      +9
      Хм... Ну текст генерала...Песня В.Высоцкого"То тарелками пугают...Дескать подлые летают...То у Вас собаки лают...То руины говорят" Клиент явно ОТ ТУДА!!! Бред сумасшедшего!!!
    7. Johnny51
      Johnny51 13 November 2015 09: 04 New
      +6
      And they have a nest there! ..
      1. amirbek
        amirbek 13 November 2015 09: 12 New
        +4
        and who there pulls his tongue ...?
    8. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 13 November 2015 09: 26 New
      +7
      Farkas has obvious signs of a Basedov disease in the photo ...
      1. MSL
        MSL 13 November 2015 15: 55 New
        0
        According to the photo, not only her. More than half of Western political leaders.
    9. Finches
      Finches 13 November 2015 09: 28 New
      +7
      Wesley Clark is a war criminal! This Anglo-Saxon bombed Yugoslavia ... An ice ax would help him ...!
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 13 November 2015 09: 44 New
        +3
        To show that while he is playing the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine. ”
        Well, judging by the events taking place in the world, the conclusion is as follows: Putin plays chess, and the west plays drafts! hi
      2. Ledorub
        Ledorub 13 November 2015 10: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Wesley Clark is a war criminal! This Anglo-Saxon bombed Yugoslavia ... An ice ax would help him ...!

        Yes, here I am! I agree, my client. Come on guys, step aside so as not to splatter.
        Although, he is already nobody. Natural radioactive background. Samo will soon resolve.
    10. Vend
      Vend 13 November 2015 09: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: avvg
      Yes, P.R.I.D.U.R.K.O.V. everywhere is enough, and even more so in America.

      And how can they outwit the president of Russia when all the plans are already blabbed out laughing I think they hope to frighten Putin, they say you won’t leave Syria, we’ll start bugging in Ukraine. Well, as they say, you’re worse. Clowns and only laughing
    11. yushch
      yushch 13 November 2015 09: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: avvg
      Yes, P.R.I.D.U.R.K.O.V. everywhere is enough, and even more so in America.


      Clark is generally a rare dolboklyuy. He tried to force the British to attack our landing at Pristina airport. The British turned a finger at the temple and urgently reported to Washington that it was necessary to besiege this moron before he started the third world war. And after this incident, Clark was slowly removed from command.
      1. Altona
        Altona 13 November 2015 10: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: yushch
        Clark is generally a rare dolboklyuy. He tried to force the British to attack our landing at Pristina airport. The British turned a finger at the temple and urgently reported to Washington that it was necessary to besiege this moron before he started the third world war. And after this incident, Clark was slowly removed from command.

        ----------------------
        He calls for it now. His sparrow’s brain does not understand that he is fomenting a new war in Europe, which Germany doesn’t need. Because then the spread will begin not only of the Arab, but also of the Ukrainian militants. Having smashed their foreheads on the eastern front, they will go to where it is easier, and this is the West ... But people like Clark don’t think about this, they think that there are dolphins in the world who will always fight for Omerigu. True Ukrainians still believe in the supply of javelins ...
    12. Oman 47
      Oman 47 13 November 2015 09: 51 New
      +4
      Translated into Russian: in Matrasia there is a heated discussion about which next one I will stir up for Russia to stir up in response to its actions in Syria.

      By the way, about the birds: but do Mexican supporters of the return of former territories depressed by the USA need support?
      Or are Texas branch activists? belay request
    13. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 13 November 2015 10: 14 New
      +2
      Firstly, this is a country of rabble idiots! Got it already!
      And secondly, it can start arming the Indians on reservations, blacks in the ghettos, separatists in Texas, so that they can tackle their internal problems, rather than create world ones!
      Quote: avvg
      Firstly, these are countries of rabble idiots! Already got these idiots!
      And secondly, it can start arming the Indians on reservations, blacks in the ghettos, separatists in Texas, so that they can tackle their internal problems, rather than create world ones!
    14. 222222
      222222 13 November 2015 10: 48 New
      +1
      Like grown-up Uncles and Aunts?
      And the thinking of primitive people .. Sorry .. what else is there in the 21st century. Sorry !!!
    15. Lelek
      Lelek 13 November 2015 12: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      Yes, P.R.I.D.U.R.K.O.V. everywhere is enough, and even more so in America.


      Как говаривала незабвенная Фаина Раневская: "Под хвостом павлина просматривается обыкновенная куриная ж*па". bully
    16. marlin1203
      marlin1203 13 November 2015 12: 32 New
      0
      Походу этот умник и на дембеле в этой же каске спит.. потому "умные" мысли в голову и лезут laughing
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 13 November 2015 08: 20 New
    19
    In China, they say, don’t pull the whiskers of a sleeping tiger. There are too many politicians who care about this at the expense of Russophobic speeches. How would you not regret it later ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 13 November 2015 08: 35 New
      12
      Quote: Magic Archer
      In China, they say, don’t pull the whiskers of a sleeping tiger. There are too many politicians who care about this at the expense of Russophobic speeches. How would you not regret it later ...

      I spent my childhood in the working area of ​​a big city, which is not the most prosperous in terms of crime. AND I was taught from childhood - you need to be afraid of those who beat in silence. And as soon as the villain begins to threaten, jump, swing, everything, at that moment the fight is lost.

      Remember, for example, their own American cinema. The main character (good fight) holds a sweat with a scoundrel pistol (bad fight) and there are two options. Either he begins to say bad battle, what a bad and bad fight breaks out and brings a bunch of hemorrhoids to the battle, or the hood fight plays nobility, drops the weapon and starts to fight with the bad fight on his fists or knives.

      In both cases, the same error. "Стреляй быстро и молча и избавь себя от дальнейшего геморроя" - нас так учили.

      И чего Америку винить в этом пиаре? Они так воспитаны. И Голливудом в том числе. Военных побед-то никаких, похвастаться нечем. Так нужно их придумать в кино, а потом генералы паркетные будут орать: "Давайте уже Россию воевать!"
    2. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 13 November 2015 08: 36 New
      +5
      But in Russia they say, do not wake a sleeping bear, or there is no mind count the cripple.
      1. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 13 November 2015 15: 58 New
        0
        Is the bear still sleeping? They have been sticking a stick at the den for two years now. Bear woke up and already yawned (Donbass) and now he already roared (Syria). God save them all will come out.
        Quote: go21zd45few
        But in Russia they say, do not wake a sleeping bear, or there is no mind count the cripple.
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 13 November 2015 08: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      don’t pull the tiger’s mustache.


      А все замечают, что наиболее крикливыми становятся как раз БЫВШИЕ политики (как те, что "за нас", но гораздо больше тех, что "против нас").
      Вот это и есть информационная война и формирование общественного мнения, ну и, само собой, желание вывести Россию из равновесия ("глядишь, во гневе и ошибок Россия наделает!")
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 13 November 2015 10: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        And everyone notices that the EXAMINATED politicians become the most vociferous

        I do not notice. They are all screamers. Just released in circulation allow themselves a harsher rhetoric with a single purpose - not to be in the garbage chute. The torture of oblivion is the worst for them)
    4. Polovtsian
      Polovtsian 13 November 2015 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Magic Archer
      In China, they say, don’t pull the mustache of a sleeping tiger.

      We can add that a bear in Taiga should not be woken up, especially in winter - it is fraught ...
  3. demo
    demo 13 November 2015 08: 20 New
    11
    Evelyn Farkas ex-Assistant Minister of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia.
    In the photo, a man with obvious phobias.
    Such a view is not mentally healthy people.
    Are they probably specially cultivated and planted there at the Pentagon and the State Depot?

    I remembered a movie about Camo.
    The same pepper was.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 13 November 2015 08: 25 New
      +8
      In the photo, not only the psyche is broken - there are also organic disorders. yes In general, a typical representative of a bazedovy disease.
      1. crumb
        crumb 13 November 2015 08: 38 New
        +3
        with such helpers and enemies is not necessary
    2. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 13 November 2015 08: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: demo
      In the photo, a man with obvious phobias.
      Such a view is not mentally healthy people.


      It was she who could not get rid of the impression obtained after an accidental entry into the shower, where Obama instructed Clark.
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 13 November 2015 08: 20 New
    +5
    the Obama administration should seize the moment when Putin’s attention is riveted on other things and rekindle the Ukrainian crisis
    .I already wrote earlier - I think that’s why they are pulling 404 troops to the DPR and LPR.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 November 2015 08: 20 New
    +4
    the Obama administration should seize the moment when Putin’s attention is riveted on other things and ignite the Ukrainian crisis.

    The fool does not understand that this fact was taken into account even before the entry of our videoconferencing system into Syria. Therefore, the incitement of the Ukrainian crisis will come sideways, first of all, for Ukraine itself and once again will show the inability of the United States to think strategically.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 13 November 2015 08: 29 New
      +3
      Yes, for Ukraine itself it ALREADY turned out on almost all sides, which is possible.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 13 November 2015 08: 29 New
      +1
      Yes, for Ukraine itself it ALREADY turned out on almost all sides, which is possible.
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 13 November 2015 08: 24 New
    +9
    It must be put at a disadvantage, outwitted. To show that while he is playing the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine. ”

    My little daughter is trickier than them.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 13 November 2015 08: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimirets
      My little daughter is trickier than them.

      This multi-star, maybe, was once a cunning, only now in the place of cunning a notorious insanity has settled down. laughing
  7. KORSAR12
    KORSAR12 13 November 2015 08: 24 New
    +2
    Вы обратите внимание на её глаза, ну явно обкуренная... может потому сейчас, уже "бывшая"...
    1. Emulty
      Emulty 13 November 2015 08: 38 New
      +2
      You obviously never smoked, everything would have been different, a smoked person, and it would have never occurred to you to prove something with foam at your mouth. There is clearly a prolonged sitting on antidepressants or other psychotropic drugs. The psyche in such cases is always very shaky, a person is very quick-tempered and is even aggressive in the intervals between the methods of wheels. Immediately after taking, on the contrary, it is depressed and apathetic to everything.
  8. sannych
    sannych 13 November 2015 08: 25 New
    +4
    Из статьи: "Я не против того, чтобы украинские солдаты имели возможность уничтожать российские танки, но мы не должны упускать из виду более масштабную стратегическую картину".
    Sounds like a toast. You may not mind, but who will listen to you? In order for Ukrainian soldiers to have such an opportunity, it is necessary, firstly, somewhere to find Russian tanks in Ukraine, secondly, to find Ukrainian soldiers near these tanks, and thirdly, how to get news from this parallel reality.
    П.С. На фото иллюстрация к песне "Ну что ж ты страшная такая..."
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    2. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 13 November 2015 16: 08 New
      0
      П.С. На фото иллюстрация к песне "Ну что ж ты страшная такая..."

      А у них вообще-то все дамы в политике мягко говоря не красавицы. По сравнению с ними наша Матвиенко-"миссис Мира".
  9. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 13 November 2015 08: 26 New
    +2
    Somehow, all these -politiks finely swim. Everything is somehow straightforward. Forgot to think big.
  10. 3 Gorynych
    3 Gorynych 13 November 2015 08: 26 New
    +4
    Now is the time to deliver unexpected troubles to Putin.
    Yes, deliver it to Putin so that the pestilence there begins - that’s the problem Putin will have about how to bury you all ....
  11. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 13 November 2015 08: 27 New
    +2
    Oh, I can’t, it’s necessary to outwit Putin. Is it Darkest to outsmart? Ostap Ibragimych with delusions of grandeur was found, will pull the boat and will think that he is cunning, they are not capable of more.
  12. GUKTU
    GUKTU 13 November 2015 08: 28 New
    +1
    то нужно для того чтобы "остудить" горячие головы матрасии? думаю-это пуля снайпера.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 November 2015 08: 32 New
    +5
    All these thinkers do not understand what Putin, against whom they are going to do something all the time, has voted for and continues to support more than 85% of the country's population, which means that they are going to fight the Russian population, which in turn fully supports our foreign policy. then the second moment. Russia now has nothing to fear, because no one will confront us anywhere, because the West has no chance. They understand this and try to beat their heels in the chest. As they say there was a long way to the top of Olympus, yes now it’s fast and painful to fall. And Ukraine itself will be in our hands naked and impoverished. Although this would not be the best option .. it’s a retribution for our inaction for 25 years.
  14. sannych
    sannych 13 November 2015 08: 33 New
    +4
    Moscow is in tension. She is conducting an open military campaign in Syria and covert subversive activities in Ukraine, annexing the Crimean Peninsula last year.
    The actions are so secret that all the special services of the evil empire still can not provide any evidence of these actions. Invisibility caps in action.
  15. EvgNik
    EvgNik 13 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +4
    “I personally belong to that camp, which believes that we should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, mainly anti-tank weapons”
    Show that while he is playing the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine
    Why not help Texas and other states wanting to secede from the United States. Also a weapon. This will be fair.
    1. paxil
      paxil 13 November 2015 08: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      Why not help Texas and other states wanting to secede from the United States. Also a weapon. This will be fair.

      Oh, Texas is armed to the teeth, I think they have everything they need. And separatist sentiments also be healthy, the federal government is only in Austin.
    2. Buffalo
      Buffalo 13 November 2015 08: 56 New
      0
      Out of your dimensionless pocket, or what?
      1. paxil
        paxil 13 November 2015 09: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Bison
        Out of your dimensionless pocket, or what?

        Firstly, not you, but you, because we did not drink to the Brudershaft.
        People they are not poor all the same Yankees, free sale of weapons, if you want you can get everything. Read here- http: //xn--80aa2bkafhg.xn--p1ai/article.php? Nid = 7871.
        1. Buffalo
          Buffalo 13 November 2015 09: 33 New
          -2
          Pay attention to whom the message is addressed!
  16. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 13 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +4
    Well, well, you taught Georgians the same thing to fight, we wish you the same luck this time too. ((((((((((((( negative
  17. mag nit
    mag nit 13 November 2015 08: 36 New
    +3
    Янки походу тоже "Цензор" читают...
  18. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 November 2015 08: 37 New
    +3
    В очередь "друзья" в очередь...не создавайте паники,ракеты достанутся всем!
  19. Averias
    Averias 13 November 2015 08: 37 New
    +3
    Эвелин Фаркас, милочка, Джевелин и Тампакс это не одно и тоже. Их роднит только одно, и там и там "заряд" находится в трубке. И если Вы думаете, что с помощью "волшебной" трубки в проблемное место можно решить проблему, то Вы ошибаетесь. В этом случае - проблем только добавится.
  20. Stinger
    Stinger 13 November 2015 08: 40 New
    +3
    Why not take advantage of the moment when Putin’s attention is focused on other things?
    Outwit, you say. But on the tricky ... there is always ... with a screw. According to the Russian proverb. You will not notice how you find yourself in an uncomfortable position - get a pretty penny through the little bench. We do not need rude. We ourselves are rude.
  21. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 13 November 2015 08: 42 New
    +2
    Naive fools are these American generals. So far it has not come to mind that Putin thinks globally and not unidirectionally
  22. maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 13 November 2015 08: 43 New
    +1
    "Кто детям дал порох?"(с). Из старого фильма про морячков. Наивные! laughing
  23. paxil
    paxil 13 November 2015 08: 47 New
    +2
    Joking, joking, but they’re preparing a toad to Donbass. I think it’ll start soon.
  24. BOB044
    BOB044 13 November 2015 08: 48 New
    +2
    For a long time, the United States did not get a snot. And then Putin will quickly provide you with another political loss.
  25. cap
    cap 13 November 2015 08: 49 New
    +3
    “I personally belong to the camp, which believes that we should provide Ukraine with lethal military assistance, mainly anti-tank weapons,” said Evelyn Farkas, who until last Friday served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia.
    The camp indicated, and in which hut?
  26. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 November 2015 08: 51 New
    +1
    They forget .. that Russians live in UKRAINE! This is not Afghanistan, etc.
    As if these partners didn’t have to blow their asses from Ukraine!
  27. Aleksander
    Aleksander 13 November 2015 08: 53 New
    +1
    It must be put at a disadvantage, outwitted. To show that while he is playing the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine. ”


    Gamblers! The price of their games is a thousand lives! They would arrange such games in the USA themselves!
  28. samara-58
    samara-58 13 November 2015 08: 55 New
    +1
    Marazamatiki are terrible fool
  29. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 13 November 2015 08: 56 New
    +4
    Если бы этот адепт циркового искусства посмотрел дальше своего носа, то после нетрудных умозаключений мог бы предположить, что по старой украинской традиции делиться вооружениями с ополченцами, а также патологической нехваткой наличности в ВСУ, все эти ПТРК и пр. могут "всплыть" в самых неожиданных для US-ов местах. В т.ч. и в Сирии. Да и Россия, как я полагаю, этот явно враждебный шаг без внимания не оставит. Мы тоже, если надо, можем нагадить нехило. (Вьетнам - самый яркий пример). Поставить по-тихому кому-нибудь чего-нибудь это дело нехитрое. Так что фраза "Сейчас самое время доставить Путину неожиданные неприятности" звучит как "Самое время разозлить бабушку - отморозить себе уши".
  30. Tolstoevsky
    Tolstoevsky 13 November 2015 08: 57 New
    +1
    third victorious Easter - May 01, 2016
  31. sl3
    sl3 13 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +2
    The dirty trickster. How would you do something nasty. Is it weak in the open?
  32. asar
    asar 13 November 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    Now it’s clear what the West wants.

    Мне очень хочется другого: - Я очень хочу, чтобы они встали "раком" перед Россией!
    Поскольку - за "многое" должны!
    But according to Clark, the needs of Putin's wars, Russia's internal problems and the ongoing investigation of the crash provide a good opportunity to take advantage of the moment.


    Oh you bastard, scum1
    Tear off your epaulettes, gon.don, mraaaaaaazaz!
    Стреляй быстро и молча и избавь себя от дальнейшего геморроя" - нас так учили.


    Alexei! Good all!
    Нас тоже так учили (может "Учителя" у нас были одни и те же?!)
    "Тихо сделал, тихо ушел" - наш девиз!
    Today this motto has been put into practice!
  33. Don
    Don 13 November 2015 09: 03 New
    +6
    Читаю как ура-патриоты и диванные маршалы на этом форуме кричат "пусть попробуют, пусть поставляют, да мы ему, да мы их...". Но действительность выглядит немного иначе. В наступление на Донбассе в случае чего пойдут не американцы и даже не европейцы, а оболваненные РУССКИЕ (украинские) парни! И убивать они будут РУССКИХ, в том числе и Россиян! Что бы вы не говорили, но эта война есть братоубийственная. И правильно говорит этот неадекватный генерал - это не их, а наша огромная проблема и головная боль. Полюбовно решить Украинскую проблему (Минские соглашения) нам они точно не дадут, а силовое решение приведет к противостоянию с НАТО, что потребует огромных жертв, средств, предельного напряжения госаппарата, нарушением привычной нам нормальной жизни на долгое время, возможно на десятилетия. На такое большинство из вас сами не готовы. Так что давайте хотя бы сменим этот не умный тон при обсуждении этой проблемы, а попытаемся рассуждать здраво, как наше руководство.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 13 November 2015 09: 21 New
      +3
      So what do you suggest? I want to object to you, the general is quite adequate, he expresses the opinion of a huge army of Western politicians, who think that it’s time to fall on Russia with all the overseas force, they want to, but they are also pricked, they suddenly arise in their BOURGEONISE because of their bulk on Russia some inconvenience. I believe that it is now required of us to transfer our entire life to war footing, which is fraught with restrictions in the public sphere and deprivation for the people, because here you are right, they will not leave us behind. Only here is no translation visible, neither in the public (liberal pacifists still chatter that they are being told), nor in the economic sphere. No matter how the option was repeated on June 22.
  34. mpzss
    mpzss 13 November 2015 09: 08 New
    +2
    I hope these are just empty words and the Pentagon is smart enough not to kindle the fire of war!
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 13 November 2015 09: 58 New
      +1
      Я думаю, что "разжигать огонь войны" будет не Пентагон, так как война будет не такой какой она была 70 лет назад. Не хочу думать за ЦРУ, но почему бы какой-то одиночному неизвестному самолету российского производства не побомбить, какой-нибудь европейский город. Что тут поднимется. Скажем, наложат эмбарго на экспорт российской нефти. как они уже проделали с Ираном. Что будет делать наше правительство с его приверженностью западной модели экономики. Менять модель - быстро не получится, а они талдычат о курсе доллара, а долларов то не обнаружится.
  35. sisa29
    sisa29 13 November 2015 09: 08 New
    0
    "Показать, что пока он ведет на Западе игру за Сирию, мы ведем игру за Запад на Украине".

    This geek of the human race considers the GAME all that is happening! PLAY !!! How sometimes I want that if not in our world, then at least in the other world, in fact, there was a court of God
  36. press officer
    press officer 13 November 2015 09: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: avvg
    “Why not seize the moment when Putin’s attention is riveted on other things? - he says. - It is necessary to put it at a disadvantage, to outsmart it. To show that while he leads the game for Syria in the West, we are playing the game for the West in Ukraine. ”

    wassat belay laughing truth! and so we will tell all this to our media, let them tell everyone what we (mattresses) are super-duper! And most importantly in Russia no one will know about it! No. Russians do not know how to read, did not see TVs rejoicing, and indeed they have everything in the war! repeat Some in Syria, others on tanks in Dill! No one even guesses that we (mattresses) are so clever as the ducks of all re-cheat and help the dill people! wassat fool And most importantly, the war is not in our territory ..! WHAT THE TRUTH IS THE COUNTRY OF FOOLS ?! fool In vain Columbus or whoever was there actually discovered them ... negative All! We looked, you can close it back! am
  37. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 13 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +1
    if the pupil is completely visible and the squirrel around the pupil is visible, then the person - PSIH in one form or another is the opinion of my godfather (psychiatrist under the Union, 79 years old)
  38. Fuzeler
    Fuzeler 13 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +1
    Oh look, the lame ducks quacked))
  39. Alexander Tot
    Alexander Tot 13 November 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    Завершил хорошо - "мы ведем ИГРУ за Запад на Украине". Игривые! Место игривых в песочнице или под надзором медперсонала.
  40. solovey
    solovey 13 November 2015 09: 22 New
    +1
    just one rocket in Yelluston volcano and ALL - Columbus opened Putin closed wink
  41. Turkir
    Turkir 13 November 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    С биографией Фаркас не всё ясно. Противница России, так характеризуют ее многие "наши" СМИ.
    Посмотрел http://www.liveinternet.ru/tags/%DD%E2%E5%EB%E8%ED+%D4%E0%F0%EA%E0%F1/
    There are several quotes from this Farkas, and to my amazement I read -
    "Россия имеет полное право наносить военные удары по территории Турции, Иордании, Ираку, Ливану и любой другой стране, где находятся террористические формирования ИГИЛ, так как это не противоречит международному праву" - заявила заместитель помощника министра обороны США по России, Украине и Евразии Эвелин Фаркас в эфире американского издания радиостанции BBC.

    "Ситуация заключается в том, что в полном соответствии с международным правом любая страна, которой объявили войну имеет право закончить ее там, откуда исходила и исходит угроза от тех сил, кто эту войну объявил. Насколько нам известно, ИГИЛ и отдельные представители Саудовской Аравии призвали к джихаду против России, то есть по-существу объявили войну. Весьма недальновидные призывы.

    После начала военной операции России, значительное количество боевиков ИГИЛ отошли на территории Турции и других сопредельных государств, но в основном на территорию Турции. Если государства, куда "спрятались" террористические группировки ИГИЛ не предпринимают никаких действий по их уничтожению или нейтрализации, то согласно международному праву на такие действия полное право имеет Россия, причем даже without notice to the authorities of that country, которая "приютила" эту угрозу. И все будет полностью соответствовать международным законам и резолюциям ООН." - констатирует высокопоставленная представительница Пентагона

    Perhaps she was fired precisely for this point of view?
  42. MolGro
    MolGro 13 November 2015 09: 30 New
    +1
    We already see the actual defeat and collapse of the SGA policy in the Middle East.
    Watching these statements in Ukraine, you can see that the action plan for losing in this area is not even considered by the SGA administration) And given the new capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces, any attempts to solve the crisis by military means will lead to defeat!
  43. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    They have a tantrum. Something is going wrong. And our work is going on, systematic and inevitable. The main thing is that our elite would cram, and we will help as much as we can.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 13 November 2015 09: 41 New
      +1
      The world was unlucky, a rare selection of fools in the civilian ranks. Moreover, neither they themselves nor their children will go to die.
  44. Victor-M
    Victor-M 13 November 2015 09: 32 New
    0
    Бывший главнокомандующий Объединенными вооруженными силами НАТО в Европе говорит:"Сейчас самое время доставить Путину неожиданные неприятности."

    For even greater surprise, you still need to specify the date and time. laughing
  45. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 13 November 2015 09: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: avvg
    Farkas told reporters on Friday that her departure was not related to political differences within the administration, but expressed concern about what the administration was not doing enough to contain Russia.

    This monster is very much like our talented and now deceased homosexual A.Nuriev, if you imagine her without hair bully
  46. AlexTires
    AlexTires 13 November 2015 09: 37 New
    +1
    ...мы должны предоставить Украине летальную военную помощь....",


    После "летальной помощи", как я понимаю, пациент уже и дышать не будет.
  47. lunoxod
    lunoxod 13 November 2015 09: 37 New
    +2
    Apparently calibers and bubbles do not teach them anything.
    1. MATROSKIN-53
      MATROSKIN-53 13 November 2015 11: 38 New
      0
      They just have not tried them on their filthy skin yet.
  48. Buffalo
    Buffalo 13 November 2015 09: 38 New
    +1
    American citizens are widely represented in almost all countries, unlike the Russians. If the confrontation begins, they will be very vulnerable. They believe that capturing Bout, Yaroshenko, putting them in prison, they will not receive an adequate response.
  49. bad
    bad 13 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: BMP-2
    In the photo, not only the psyche is broken - there are also organic disorders. yes In general, a typical representative of a bazedovy disease.
    ... yeah .. from what incubator do they pull them out? .. one worse than the other ..
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 13 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +1
      Elementaryly, even in the Middle Ages, arrogant Saxons and other Europoids massively burned, drowned, hung all their beautiful women under the guise of witches and witches! There were only notorious, evil crocodiles and lesbians!
  50. Arjuna
    Arjuna 13 November 2015 09: 44 New
    +3
    Once I had a flash of lightning on my fly, sorry for intimate details, but then I realized what an unexpected nuisance is! I'm not stupid, and yet, I do not understand how this Amer will do something similar with Volodya? Got it - to distract attention, Got it, put a weapon for the Hoykhlans, but how he would make an unexpected trouble, I did not understand! Americans have been diverting attention and delivering weapons for decades, so why the unexpected ?! Obama on the cover of the magazine for fagots? So this is his problem, who unzips his fly? And Volodya has to do with it ?! I didn’t understand ...
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 13 November 2015 11: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Arjuna
      why is it unexpected ?! Obama on the cover of the magazine for fagots?


      Even this, khe-khe, was not unexpected ...