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Output from the Soviet Union cost the Baltic states more "Soviet occupation"

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Output from the Soviet Union cost the Baltic states more "Soviet occupation"Appeal to Moscow, the demand of the Baltic States to compensate them for the years of "Soviet occupation" is so absurd that it condemned even the Prime Minister of Estonia, finding "counterintuitive." He can argue the logic here is: de-occupation (ie the output of the USSR), the Baltic states are much more expensive cost "occupation."


The joint claim of the Ministers of Justice of the three Baltic republics to Russia for compensation for the years of the “Soviet occupation” clearly demonstrates how far the heights of absurdity can be achieved by artificially adjusting the political situation for the sake of the political situation. stories. Literally, in accordance with the anecdote: "Eastern barbarians rolled back, leaving behind power stations, hospitals, schools, campuses."

“Losses during the post-Soviet transformation of the beginning of 90's are characterized by the following figures: 35% of the economic downturn in Estonia, 49% in Lithuania and 52% in Latvia”

The reaction of Russian politicians who promised in return “from a dead donkey’s ears” is natural in this sense. But the lack of response from historians is alarming. After all, our Baltic “partners”, with their persistent demands, apparently not fully aware of the consequences of their actions, raise such historical questions that require reflection in the Baltic countries and in modern Russia.
Between Baltic and the Council

The modern official historiography of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania regards the entry of these states into the USSR in 1940 as an occupation. At the same time, the fact that the Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian Soviet Socialist Republics were proclaimed by the elected parliaments of these countries, and they also asked to join the USSR, is noted in principle. First, because the elections in all three states were held in the presence of Soviet military bases on their territories. Secondly, because the pro-communist blocs won the election. From where, they say, are there so many communists in the prosperous European Baltic, where did they get such support? It is clear that the elections were rigged by Moscow - this is the official point of view of the modern Baltic ruling elite.

But remember the story. The slogan “Power to the Soviets!” Was publicly voiced in the Baltic even earlier than in Petrograd.

The territory of present-day Estonia roughly corresponded Revel or Estonian province of the Russian Empire (the southern part of Estonia and northern Latvia were part of the Livonia province). Soviets of workers, landless and army deputies appeared here with the February Revolution. By the autumn of the year 1917 provincial Soviets had developed a structure serious organizational capacity and played a significant role in political life.

The requirement for the transfer of power to the Soviets was publicly announced here in September 1917 years Revel Council, the Latvian and 2-th Congress of Soviets of Estonia.
On October 22 (November 4 on a new style), a military revolutionary committee was created under the Executive Committee of the Council of Estonia - a body to lead an armed uprising. October 23 (November 5), earlier than in Petrograd, he took control of all strategic points, which ensured a quick and bloodless change of power.

The following figures attest to the popularity of local Bolsheviks: in the autumn of 1917, the RSDLP (B) was the largest party in Estonia, with more than 10 thousands of members. Elections to the Constituent Assembly in Estonia gave the Bolsheviks 40,4 a percentage of votes against 22,5 cast for national parties - the Estonian Democratic Party and the Estonian Landowners Union.

The Executive Committee of the Workers ', Soldiers' and Landless Deputies of Latvia Council (Iskolat) took power into their hands on November 8 – 9 in a new style. The alignment of forces in the region is evidenced by the results of the elections to the Constituent Assembly in the region of Vidzeme. The Bolsheviks received 72% votes on them, others, including the national parties - 22,9%.

It should be noted that part of Latvia was occupied by Germany at that time. Lithuania, or rather the Vilna province, a part of whose territory today is part of Belarus, part of it is part of Lithuania, was completely occupied by Germany. Revolutionary events unfolded here later, in the 1918 year, but were suppressed by German and Polish troops. But there is no reason to believe that public sentiment in the occupied territories was fundamentally different. It must be admitted: Estonian, Lithuanian and Latvian Bolsheviks were numerous and had very substantial support in the regions.

And closing the question of where in the Baltic countries have many supporters of socialism, we note that it was precisely the Estonian, Lithuanian and Latvian Bolsheviks, not some emissaries from Petrograd.

Where did they go after? In February 1918, after the failure of another round of talks of the Brest peace, the German troops launched an offensive on the Eastern Front. By 22 February they occupied the territory of Livonia and Courland provinces. Tips were destroyed. In March-April 1918 years in these areas were created the Duchy of Courland and Livonia. They were subsequently joined by Germany in the Baltic Duchy. July 11 1918 year announced the establishment of the Kingdom of Lithuania, the throne of which was erected the German Prince Wilhelm von Urach.

Later, in November 1918, in connection with the defeat of Germany in World War I, it signed an armistice of Compiegne, which, among other things, provide for preservation in the Baltic German occupation forces to prevent the restoration of Soviet power here. This reduction was made possible only 1940 year.

“Continuous Continuity” of the Baltic Democracies


How much money the USSR spent on helping other countries

In modern Baltic historiography, it is generally accepted that “election campaigns in the republics organized according to the“ Moscow scenario ”violated the democratic guarantees of the constitutions of sovereign Baltic states, that the elections were not free, undemocratic” (quoted by historian Mikelis Rutkovsky).
The head of the Estonian Ministry of Justice, Urmas Reinsalu, commenting on the recent joint declaration of the ministers of the three countries on compensation from Russia, said: "The continuous succession of the Baltic States allows such a claim to be made." This question should also be studied - to whom does the modern Baltic democracies erect "continuous continuity"?

In Estonia, the nationalist dictatorship of Konstantin Päts was established in 30, parties were banned, the parliament was not going to, political opponents were persecuted by the police, and “camps for parasites” were created. In Latvia, the fascist dictatorship of Karlis Ulmanis was established in 30. Political parties were banned, newspapers were closed, the parliament was dissolved, the communists, of those who did not go to the illegal situation, were arrested. Since 1926, the dictatorship of Antanas Smetona has been established in Lithuania. The leaders of the Communist Party were shot, the socialists were persecuted and went into hiding.

Dictatorships in the Baltic countries existed right up to 1940, when, at the ultimatum of the USSR, the persecution of political parties was stopped, elections were allowed, which were won by pro-Soviet pro-communist forces.

The question of the "continuous continuity" of the modern authorities of the Baltic states, thus, can hardly be considered completely closed. As the question of "Soviet occupation", given that the Soviet republics arose here still the first.

Socio-economic situation in the Baltic States during the interwar period

What are the successes of socio-economic development could boast of independence of the Baltic states in the inter-war (between the First and Second World Wars) period? Here are a few facts:
By 1938, the factory industry in Latvia was 56% of the level of 1913 years. The number of workers has fallen by more than twice the pre-war level.

In 1930, 17,5% of the country's labor force was employed in the Estonian industry, in Latvia - 13,5%, in Lithuania - 6%.

Amid deindustrialization, the share of the population engaged in agriculture was practically not reduced - contrary to European trends. In 1922, in Estonia, the rural population accounted for 71,6%, in 1940, 66,2%. Similar dynamics are characteristic for Lithuania. In the countries there was an "agrarization" of the economy and the archaization of life.

Against this background, he started a real exodus of residents abroad seeking a better life, earnings, not finding the use of their forces in the economy of the Baltic countries. With years of 1919 1940-th only from Lithuania emigrated to the United States, Brazil, Argentina about 100 thousand. Surprisingly recalls the days of the new independence, is not it?

What claim compensation?

After the war, the Estonian USSR was in first or one of the first places in the USSR in terms of the volume of investment in fixed assets per capita. High-tech industries such as the electrical and radio engineering industry, instrument engineering, and ship repair were actively developing in the republic. The chemical industry from its own raw materials (oil shale, supplied by the mining industry of the republic) produced a wide range of goods, from mineral fertilizers to antiseptics and detergents. On the territory of the republic were built the world's largest oil shale Baltic and Estonian TPP, fully meeting the needs of the republic.

The population of the Estonian USSR was 1565 thousand people. The population of the modern Estonian Republic is 1313 thousand people.

The Latvian SSR has become an industrially developed region, occupied one of the leading places among the republics of the USSR in the production of national income per capita. Here is a small list of goods, the production of which was established in the republic and which were supplied both to the regions of the Union and for export: passenger cars, trams, diesel engines and diesel generators, automatic telephone exchanges and telephone sets, refrigerators, radios, washing machines, mopeds - and etc.

The population of the Latvian SSR was 2666 thousand people. The population of the modern Latvian Republic - 1976 thousand people.

Lithuanian SSR in 1990 year for per capita GDP ranked 39-th place in the world. In the republic acted instrument-making, machine tool manufacturing, electrical and radio centers, the production of electronics. Developed shipbuilding, machine building, chemical industry. Electric power of the Lithuanian SSR, in addition to thermal stations providing the Ignalina nuclear station, which was stopped in 2009 year at the request of the EU.
The population of the Lithuanian SSR was 3689 thousand people. Modern Lithuanian Republic - 2898 thousand people.

Since independence, the share of industry in the Baltic countries has decreased from 23 – 26 (according to various estimates) per cent of GDP in the 1995 year to 14 – 20 per cent in 2008. The share of transport and communication is from 11 – 15% in 1995 to 10 – 13% in 2008, and even the share of agriculture and fishing from 6 – 11% in 1995-m to 3-4% in 2008-m . And this is taking into account that 1995 year in itself is remarkable only by the fact that by this year radical transformations (“de-Sovietization”) were basically completed, privatization was carried out and the states submitted applications for joining the European Union.

Losses during the beginning of the post-Soviet transformation 90-X experts characterize such figures: 35% economic decline in Estonia, 49% in Lithuania and 52% in Latvia.

Against this background, unwittingly begin to look for additional sources of income. Albeit in the form of compensation.
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  1. Hammer
    Hammer 14 November 2015 07: 10 New
    35
    In 50 years, when the Baltic states again change their master (to Moscow, for example) they will say that "at the beginning of the 21st century, the elections were held according to the Washington scenario and violated the democratic guarantees of the constitutions of the sovereign Baltic states" Rats, they are always rats
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 14 November 2015 07: 38 New
      18
      The lack of reaction from historians is alarming.

      Well, what kind of reaction to expect from historians? psychiatrists should react here, the Baltic governments are their "clients"
    2. marinier
      marinier 14 November 2015 17: 32 New
      11
      Hello dear!
      Let me add from sebia.And it is you tediously tattered
      as from a brothelia girl (Baltia), 4erez 50 years old.
      Khotia in kindness RUSSIAN, TAKE PLACE, heat, feed,
      PUT ON FEET.
      And it’s pork opiate on the panel (to the west) and for the old!

      P.S. No doubt with Respect to you !!!
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 14 November 2015 23: 48 New
        +1
        I argue from the perspective of Geopolitics - what we were all taught

        1) Peter 1 opened a window to the "sea" - that is, ports and access to the Baltic are necessary for the whole of Eurasia

        2) The West (the civilization of the sea) is trying to restrict Land (Eurasia) in access to the Baltic (and, moreover, after the collapse of the USSR, successfully - 3 Baltic republics were taken for "lending and feeding" - if only they did not get the Eurasian Union - which is not even there - but already everyone is afraid of him

        3) It would be beneficial for the Balts to be with us, they would be our "window to Europe" - port terminals, etc. Plus, there was industry in the USSR - remember the VEF transistors, the RAF minibuses, etc., etc. - that's all now " lost "
        They could have lived not on handouts and not on loans - but on their own industry + have a sales market from Russia to Kazakhstan (and for sales markets, in general, wars were fought - and here as a "gift")
        And have uninterrupted oil and gas and coal and uranium forever

        4) While the United States "rules" the Baltic is lost to Eurasia. But the moment will come, as in 1939 - and the Baltic states will again be with Eurasia - this is an inevitable cycle. Therefore, I believe that the Russian Federation should motivate the Russian population to stay there, so that there is at least some kind of 5 column and tomorrow reasons for reunification
  2. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 14 November 2015 07: 20 New
    30
    And who are they - the doctor?
    They themselves, like Country 404, destroyed their industry with their own hands. I will give only one example: the VEF factory, famous throughout the Soviet Union, whose tape recorders and radios were always popular in the USSR, was modernized in the late 80s - new imported equipment, machines, etc. were delivered. It was planned to start production of new products using new technologies. However, as soon as the Union fell apart, all this splendor was plundered and only the bare walls remained from the WEF.
    I have the honor.
    1. fsps
      fsps 14 November 2015 08: 30 New
      13
      The story from the Ignalina / Visagin NPP is much more fun. To fool the wretched mind. But of course, Russia and Putin personally are to blame.
    2. Karabanov
      Karabanov 14 November 2015 09: 36 New
      12
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      However, as soon as the Union fell apart, all this splendor was plundered and only the bare walls remained from the WEF.

      Forgot the famous RAF.
      In 1997, the production of the RAF was stopped. The owners filed for bankruptcy in 1998. As of 2010, most of the production buildings were destroyed, in their place are rented retail space. (wiki)
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 14 November 2015 10: 01 New
        10
        Quote: Karabanov
        In 1997, the production of the RAF was stopped. The owners filed for bankruptcy in 1998. As of 2010, most of the production buildings were destroyed, in their place are rented retail space. (wiki)


        In no way justify the Baltic states. So it is, everything that was built during the years of Soviet power was destroyed. and a lot was built, for example, in Estonia there was a farm system, and instead of ports there were just piers.
        But after all, almost the entire industry was destroyed in our country ...
        And for some reason no one asks the question "who is to blame for the destruction of the country?" Isn't it worth punishing those responsible?
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 14 November 2015 10: 14 New
          14
          What is the RAF. As soon as the New Wave moved from Jurmala ..... That's it! Something geyropa from the United States do not seek to send their "figures" of culture there. Well, if only I'm done with the sausage ... laughing
        2. Karabanov
          Karabanov 14 November 2015 10: 24 New
          +7
          Quote: sherp2015
          But after all, almost the entire industry was destroyed in our country ...
          And for some reason no one asks the question "who is to blame for the destruction of the country?"

          I agree. But we have such questions, but there is no result. In terms of the destruction of industry, our idiotic "reformers" can still give the Balts a head start ... But I focused on them, since I blame only our crap leaders for the collapse of the domestic industry, and everyone around them is always to blame, primarily Russia.
          Quote: sherp2015
          Is it really not worth punishing the guilty?

          And about this, I always uphold the point of view - a deserved and legal punishment for these outright ... pests.
          So we are convinced that I don’t think much.
        3. anip
          anip 14 November 2015 22: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: sherp2015
          But after all, almost the entire industry was destroyed in our country ...
          And for some reason no one asks the question "who is to blame for the destruction of the country?" Isn't it worth punishing those responsible?

          But cheers, they are, they see a speck in the eye of a neighbor, but in their logs do not notice.
    3. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 14 November 2015 12: 23 New
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      Quote: Aleksandr72
      And who are they - the doctor?

      You have a mistake.
      More correctly, not balances, but balances. From the word - about ..., in the sense of profuka laughing
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    4. lelikas
      lelikas 14 November 2015 12: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      They themselves, like Country 404, destroyed their industry with their own hands.

      And at the same time, everything was probably wrong with us?
      1. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 14 November 2015 13: 55 New
        +8
        Everything was the same for all of us - in Russia, and in the Baltic states, and in / in Ukraine and here in Kazakhstan. Everywhere was the collapse of agriculture and industry, because everywhere there were "people" to whom it was beneficial. But neither the Russians nor the Kazakhs blamed their neighbors for their troubles.
        Only the followers of Bandera-Shukhevych and the Baltic henchmen of the possessed Führer in the collapse of their economy, the destruction of some advanced (by the standards of the late USSR) industry blame anyone, but not themselves - the disease. Well, first of all, of course, Russia was to blame for them. Probably because she didn’t slap on the thieving handles of auto-chthons in a timely manner, preventing them from plundering their own countries. And now she doesn’t even want to feed them interest-free (more precisely, non-repayable) loans, compensations, as well as warm them with cheap (i.e. free) gas. wassat
        I have the honor.
    5. Stas57
      Stas57 14 November 2015 14: 54 New
      +4
      And RVR, the largest plant in the USSR!
      turned into a small shop, in a kind of car service ...
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 14 November 2015 07: 26 New
    10
    They wanted "freedom" .. the Balts will get it .. what compensation can be for freedom .. and democracy ..
  4. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 14 November 2015 07: 27 New
    15
    Let them first pay for the fact that Peter 1 bought them from the Swedes (with interest) and for the actions of the "Latvian" shooters (this is in response to their decommunization). And only after that they can issue invoices. There will be a circus.
    1. Karabanov
      Karabanov 14 November 2015 09: 40 New
      +7
      You should not even pay attention to stupid claims. The article correctly says - "from a dead donkey's ears" they will receive. They did not deserve more.
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 14 November 2015 10: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: Karabanov
        Don't even pay attention to stupid claims. The article correctly says - "they will get ears from a dead donkey". They didn't deserve more.


        On the contrary, you need to present an invoice for what you set up during the years of Soviet power, scrupulously counting every tile and brick in buildings and structures
  5. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 14 November 2015 07: 44 New
    +9
    They went these Chukhons along the path known to all. Seriously and for a long time. Again they build everything. Haha, already built. They want to live in Europe, let them live. And after 50 years, the Baltic Arabs will live there.
  6. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 14 November 2015 08: 31 New
    +3
    It turns out that the Balts, having the experience of life without Russia, wanted to repeat it and repeated it.
    The USSR gave the opportunity and support to different nations .. It turns out according to proverbs: not a horse feed, someone in oranges, also throwing beads for someone. How much money the USSR spent on undeserving! On the ungrateful.
    It is interesting what the prrrrr did ......... residents, i.e. with their tapestries, paintings, monumental art, glorifying the USSR?
  7. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 14 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +5
    I apologize for the mat, but the best characteristic of the Baltic states without Russia is the saying:
    "Like a Latvian - yes, a soul, and no more shisha."
    1. a lex locis
      a lex locis 14 November 2015 17: 11 New
      +2
      There is one more: the Latvian has x .. in one hand, and not x .. in the other ...
  8. c3r
    c3r 14 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +4
    The Balts surprise more than once and more than two have explained to them that they don’t need to put a causal place on anyone, and they continue to envy them with enviable determination. We don’t eat sprats either. Do our Western neighbors act on the principle of Petro? ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ...
  9. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 14 November 2015 08: 39 New
    11
    In Latvia during the German occupation, anyone who wanted to (!!!) could, like on a short trip (which they did on a massive scale), enlist in a punitive (police) battalion and go to the territory of Belarus to kill civilians by burning entire villages, while receiving German rations and payment in the form of German marks (for work and business trip). Why the Government of Belarus does not bill for the murdered women, old people and children, the burnt villages and cities of the Latvian government, and Latvia brazenly issues invoices for the industrial enterprises built on the money of the Russian Federation, through which Latvia flourished and lived ??????? !!! !! Read at your leisure how and where the bloody Latvian 15th Latvian SS division, 2nd and 3rd Latvian police regiments distinguished themselves !!!!
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 14 November 2015 10: 19 New
      +9
      Quote: Andryukha G
      In Latvia during the German occupation, anyone who wanted to (!!!) could, like on a short trip (which they did on a massive scale) enroll in a punitive (police) battalion and go to Belarus to kill civilians


      And now they all voluntarily enrolled in NATO and are intensively preparing to take part in the operation "Draunk nach Osten", which at one time was started by Adolf Aloizovich, but already under the stars and stripes.
  10. X Y Z
    X Y Z 14 November 2015 08: 49 New
    +8
    The reaction of Russian politicians who promised in response "from the dead donkey ears" is logical in this sense. But the lack of reaction from historians is alarming.


    Things are much worse. We absolutely do not want to learn from our past mistakes. Just as now, we kept silent about the destruction of Russian prisoners in Polish death camps and the atrocities of the White Czechs and the contribution of our "brothers" to the victories of the Third Reich and the truth about the events of 1968. We either spare our opponents for various reasons or simply do not notice them believing that the elephant should not react to the mosek. He, they say, is simply indecent. But time has shown that this tactic is disastrous and only leads to defeat. No need to be silent or avert your eyes and mumble something unintelligible. We need a decent, tough response and not on social media. And the figure should not be a deputy prime minister, but much higher.

    PS The logic of our answer regarding built factories, schools and hospitals is inaccessible to local nationalists. They would like to see their camp in the form of some kind of large farm, like Bandera in Ukraine. They do not need this industry, because they plan not to earn money, but to receive from Brussels.
    1. ZYRYANIN
      ZYRYANIN 14 November 2015 09: 25 New
      10
      Quote: XYZ
      Do not be silent or look away and mumble something unintelligible. Need a decent, tough answer

      Absolutely! Massive information attacks under the Western system of litigation, lawsuits for everything and in all instances will help to disable them much earlier than "noble silence"! They must be beaten with their own "weapon" on their own territory!
      1. X Y Z
        X Y Z 14 November 2015 15: 39 New
        +4
        I completely agree. A concrete example is the accusation of our athletes. Instead of a massive attack on Russophobes and suing officials making statements that are not confirmed by facts, we see resignations and a widely declared desire to cooperate. Who to collaborate with? With those who follow instructions from Washington? Unpromising. The result is logical - we are excluded from the competition. Everyone understood that there would be no resistance (we are afraid to death to lose the competition in Russia), and not very clear humility gives food to the considerations that, in fact, everything is not so clean. In any case, the dirty track will continue for us for a long time and it will be very hard for our athletes. And we are still trying to make excuses and look away ...
        1. a lex locis
          a lex locis 14 November 2015 17: 19 New
          +2
          I fully agree.
          There is a French proverb: Whoever apologizes is accused (Qui s'excuse, s' accuse)
  11. ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 14 November 2015 09: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: Hammer
    After 50 years, when the Baltic states will again change their master (to Moscow ...
    Much faster! After October 17, they held out "on their own" for a little more than 20 years, and then fell into dictatorships, which pushed them, to a greater extent, to the desire to return under the wing of Russia in the USSR!
  12. Basil50
    Basil50 14 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +5
    It is becoming a stable tradition among * democrats * and countries of democratic PR to declare their grandfathers and grandmothers demented or, as a last resort, cowards. It is difficult to draw a different conclusion from everything that justifies the inappropriateness of the choice in favor of the SOVIET development path. Quite calmly, the children of Nazi criminals merge in an ecstasy of hatred with former party members. It hurts how calmly and even confidently they express approval of how, with the help of the invaders and other scum, they made coups with the annihilation of any dissent and killed all the RUSSIANs whom they * could reach *, despite the convictions, even those who thoughtlessly helped local non-fascists. Today, the only thing that distinguishes modern Balts from those of pre-war ones is that they do not have the opportunity to rob and destroy * non-citizens * as happened in the 20th of the last century.
  13. Neophyte
    Neophyte 14 November 2015 11: 16 New
    +6
    In fact, these lands were bought from Sweden forever (1721) and later, always under the protectorate of Russia, Poland and Germany! As a state, they lived for a short time for ten years. It’s just silly to demand compensation for joining world civilization. First, demand Sweden has 370 billion dollars (2 million talers), return Russia for the purchase, then compensate for all the costs invested by Russia! The amount will be so large that you will have to be very tight for the Baltic States in the next 300 years! It's time for our lawyers and historians to file claims to the European Court in order to cool the unreasonable heads of beggars from the Baltic states?
  14. dvg79
    dvg79 14 November 2015 11: 32 New
    +3
    And why Lithuanians will not expose the Poles for the occupation of Vilna to the Poles, by the way, the USSR bought it from Germany for a sickly sum and donated it to them ... m. Let them return the money or Vilno!
  15. Darwin
    Darwin 14 November 2015 11: 34 New
    0
    At the end of 90, he worked in telephony, there were still TAs (telephones) produced in the Baltic states, for 10 -20 years the telephones were and worked reliable.
  16. marinier
    marinier 14 November 2015 12: 14 New
    +4
    Good time of the day Dear!
    Here is a 4as at the Poiavilas Labs excellent opportunity will feel the difference
    the bore sucked from the finger (lubiate they are the case) of the so-called occupation,
    and imaginary liberation.
    Ex music, if you would have summaries of the Western embassies, how do the NATO
    in the "liberated" baltics.
  17. 1rl141
    1rl141 14 November 2015 14: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: sherp2015
    Quote: Karabanov
    In 1997, the production of the RAF was stopped. The owners filed for bankruptcy in 1998. As of 2010, most of the production buildings were destroyed, in their place are rented retail space. (wiki)


    In no way justify the Baltic states. So it is, everything that was built during the years of Soviet power was destroyed. and a lot was built, for example, in Estonia there was a farm system, and instead of ports there were just piers.
    But after all, almost the entire industry was destroyed in our country ...
    And for some reason no one asks the question "who is to blame for the destruction of the country?" Isn't it worth punishing those responsible?

    What does the destruction of our country? Or all the same, again, once again, we have to wonder who is to blame for this and demand compensation? How are the Bolts ...
    Who is to blame for this, there is not enough money to compensate.
    And how much can you ask this question? What will make it easier from this? Or nothing more to do? Already everyone already knows who is to blame. Known last name, first name and patronymic.
    It is necessary to work, not to look for the guilty. It is useless to look for the guilty.
  18. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 November 2015 14: 51 New
    +3
    I remembered an episode from "Prisoner of the Caucasus", about how "one small, but proud bird flew right into the Sun, but very soon it burned its wings and fell to the very bottom, the deepest abyss."
  19. tiheros
    tiheros 14 November 2015 15: 39 New
    0
    For Latvian shooters to whom to present the bill?
  20. exalibor
    exalibor 14 November 2015 16: 35 New
    +1
    They need a counterclaim to solder for the industry built by the Union, hydroelectric power stations and nuclear power plants - how they shoved them their business - they did not take the Union’s debts ... so that the Russian Federation does not owe them anything, but they still owe us)))
  21. xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 November 2015 18: 38 New
    0
    The answer to such sighs and calls has long been given: "From a dead donkey, ears !!!" wassat
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  22. ee2100
    ee2100 14 November 2015 22: 45 New
    +1
    Regarding the "not free" elections in the pre-war period in the Baltics. In none of the republics did the "new government" touch the existing electoral committees. And they confirmed the legitimacy of the next government.
    Declassified intelligence materials appeared in the early 2000s, it was a pity the book was thrown out, so a resident of Soviet intelligence in Tallinn writes in a note to the question what will be the situation when voting for the USSR or against (exaggerating) - the urban population of Tallinn, Pärnu, Tartu - for Germans and the rural population for advice (before the revolution of 1917, almost all the lands in Estonia belonged to the German barons) and Estonians logically assumed that the Germans would come and take away the lands that previously belonged to them. Of the two evils, the lesser was chosen. And so the vote was in favor of the ESSR. It’s ridiculous to talk about occupation; in the Internet there are a lot of films about the entry of the USSR troops into the Baltic states.
  23. ee2100
    ee2100 14 November 2015 23: 08 New
    +1
    All these lamentations of the Balts were paid for by the Germans. They understand perfectly well that they will not get anything. But, the more noise and shouting, the more "lawsuits" of any kind, the closer the time is when the USSR is recognized as a "bad" regime on an equal footing with the fascist one and it will be possible on a "legal" basis to revise the results of the Second World War. And naturally, Germany will lay claim to the territories that it owned before 1939. Poland is in line. More than 1200 requests for the return (restitution) of property were filed in Poland in relation to Ukraine
    Go to the victory of democracy!
  24. Truth-lovers
    Truth-lovers 19 November 2015 22: 16 New
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    Quote: Talgat
    I argue from the perspective of Geopolitics - what we were all taught
    1) Peter 1 opened a window to the "sea" - that is, ports and access to the Baltic are necessary for the whole of Eurasia
    2) The West (the civilization of the sea) is trying to restrict Land (Eurasia) in access to the Baltic (and, moreover, after the collapse of the USSR, successfully - 3 Baltic republics were taken for "lending and feeding" - if only they did not get the Eurasian Union - which is not even there - but already everyone is afraid of him

    1). Peter did not cut through any window; we had an OPEN DOOR (as much time in ice as the Baltic) for trade with Europe - the Arkhangelsk port. Peter needed land, and preferably without a population (we don’t talk about it at all, but the Balts remember it very well).
    2). The Baltic States ALWAYS clearly defined itself as part of Western Europe - both religiously and culturally; for them, everything to the east is alien and in some sense more primitive, more barbaric (and when I travel to the modern Baltic and Scandinavia and compare them with modern even Russia, not to mention the RF 190x-2000s, I see that they are largely right).

    Quote: Aleksandr72
    the VEF factory famous throughout the Soviet Union, whose tape recorders and radios were always popular in the USSR, was modernized in the late 80s - new imported equipment, machines, etc. were supplied. It was planned to start production of new products using new technologies. However, as soon as the Union fell apart, all this splendor was plundered and only the bare walls remained from the WEF.
    I have the honor.
    Let us not forget that the entire industry of the USSR in all republics was bent after the collapse of the command economy and the collapse of the socialist camp; only industry that exported natural resources survived.

    And now the main thing: the withdrawal from the USSR could not have cost the Baltics more than the "Soviet occupation", because the withdrawal from the power of those who TWICE managed to occupy these countries in 39 and 44 years. - was practically bloodless. And do not forget that for them it was literally an occupation against which there was an absolute majority of the population, accompanied by a serious genocide (one small Estonia lost 140 thousand due to the NKVD purges and those who died in the camps of Mordovia and Siberia), and silly it is thoughtless to deny and forget, tk. They remember that (and by the way, first of all, the Bolsheviks genocide their own, or rather the main people in the resulting country - Russian, and the rest are already so, little by little).
  25. Sobol
    Sobol 30 October 2016 09: 56 New
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    I can’t find Vicious Comments 5.0 on VO. I want to read again!