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"Swords on the screaming will cross later"

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The study "War of the Future" was carried out by experts of the Center for Industrial Design and Innovation "Kinetics" of MISA. This is undoubtedly news: in today's hot-air TV atmosphere, even purely civilian institutions and people are stuck on a military theme

- What is your research?

- This is a voluminous volume, about 800 pages. It has three parts. The first is an analysis of the global situation. It follows from it that war in some form is quite possible and even close. The second is “analysis of analyzes”, squeezing a few pages about what potential conflicts might be. And the third part is a kind of technical task that we wrote for ourselves and manufacturers: what should we do to help the army and the defense industry complex prepare for the situation. We have isolated the elements that we have to deal with, creating equipment for the soldier of the future - for example, systems of destruction, life support, protection, energy supply, control. In these sectors, we work and will work in the near future together with relevant organizations.

- Do you need to prepare?

- AT stories there were times when we entered into conflicts unprepared. There is a simple rule: those who are not ready, the destruction, damage, loss of life more than those who prepared. We are 140 million people, and we need to protect ourselves. Yes, and others too. In world practice today, the calculation of 1: 5 is considered the cynical norm, that is, there must be five enemy soldiers per one fighter killed. But the enemy also thinks so. Of course, 0: 0 is better, but this, unfortunately, is an unattainable ideal.

- What is the future war?

- This will be the so-called network-centric war. The term was introduced by Americans who have experience of participation in conflicts of recent years. We already see its separate signs in local wars. The “network-centric war” involves the creation of an extensive network of well-informed, but geographically dispersed forces. Here are its main features. The first: a highly effective information system that provides every fighter's access to all the necessary information. Second: highly accurate weapon with a long range of target destruction and maneuverability. Third: a highly effective command and control system. Fourth: the so-called integrated "sensor grid". It is a system of quick decision making and execution based on accurate information using the info-decision-arrow scheme. Moreover, decisions can be made not necessarily in the control center of the battle, and therefore is called the "lattice". Technologically, all this involves the introduction of new control systems, tracking, reconnaissance, control, computer simulation.

- How will the fighting take place?

- Modern wars occur mainly in urban areas and affect logistics operations. This is confirmed by conflicts in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and other hot spots. In other words, the war is increasingly moving from the horizontal phase to the vertical. The battle can even be interfloor when opponents are located on different floors of the same building, as, for example, it was at the Donetsk airport. Aviation, Tanks and artillery, of course, needed, but, as before, success mainly depends on the fighter. Man is the basic element of any conflict. Hence, a huge number of different factors affecting the hostilities arise: concrete or brick walls, glass, bulkheads, stairs, underground passages ... And accordingly, new enemy detection systems appear - ultrasound, infrared, thermal, night vision, and so on.

A new type of battle management appears, the so-called sergeants of three quarters. To the forefront are people who are well aware of the features of urban development on their battlefield and are able to make independent decisions. From each soldier and from the platoon or company commander, independence of decision-making is now required, rather than blindly fulfilling the orders of the regiment or division commander. Therefore, now the main emphasis should be placed on the training of junior commanders.

An important point: the combat group of soldiers is enhanced by the use of information and communication technologies, that is, a local point of contact is created. All units and all fighters involved in the operation know what others are doing. It's easy to say, but hard to do. In Germany, for example, this problem is solved with the help of armored vehicles. Say, ten fighters are always in touch with armored vehicles, which is the central information transfer station. But all armies have different approaches.

Modern war is not only fighting, but also a powerful informational support of the army. There was no such support, for example, in the 2008 Russian-Georgian war of the year, and this makes it very contradictory. Different experts in different countries respond differently to the question of who first started shooting. That is why information training is becoming increasingly important.

- Some time ago, the armaments program was adopted up to 2020 of the year for which 20 trillion rubles was allocated. Is this preparation for war, past or future?

- I can not comment on the program, I will express only a subjective opinion. The first task was to raise enterprises that produce specific types of military equipment for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Remove the plants from the stagnation in which they were located. The basis was those samples of equipment that were produced at the plants, and technologies that were used earlier. But over the past ten years, the new T-14 Armata tank, fifth-generation T-50 airplanes, the “Warrior” soldier costume, and much more have appeared. More than one and a half thousand enterprises became "on a wing". And this was reflected in the release of not only military, but also civilian products.

- Why did you, an industrial designer who made a career in the global automotive industry, engage in armaments?

- There are things that seem to me today more important for our country. Later, when the world conjuncture calms down, cut the swords into plowshares. Especially since there is experience. Small arms systems are only a part of what the Kinetics Industrial Design and Innovation Center is doing today.

- Who called you to the defense industry?

- One of the employees of the Zlatoust machine-building plant invited me to see the product line that this enterprise produces. I went, met the director, then it was Sergey Lemeshevsky, we found a common language with him. He now runs an NGO. Lavochkin. But we continue to cooperate with him. Zlatmash led us to the Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering, which is part of the state corporation Rostec. The Director of the Central Research Institute Tochmash Dmitry Semizorov introduced me to the Advanced Research Foundation (FPI), which is engaged in defense innovation.

- Do you do missiles, tanks?

- Not. Nuclear warhead design is not needed. This product is a one-time use. We also have space troops, and beautiful planes, ships, tanks. There is, of course, a lot of work for us. But there are two basic elements of war with which it makes sense to start. The first is the soldier, he is in charge. A lot of money is spent today on training a soldier and on his equipment. And the second element - ammunition. A small arms cartridge - like DNA - sets the system for all types of small arms and their modifications.

- You have a main working tool - a laptop. Between him and the real production of weapons should be some intermediate links?

- We, designers, need to be open to the world, we need to look at what is being done around, analyze, create products better than others. This is the essence of our work. Yes, we have special tasks from defense research institutes. Based on the extensive research that we are talking about today, we are rather creating functional prototypes. It is desirable aesthetic, comfortable, reliable, made in Russia. We have the necessary licenses to create prototypes. We do everything except the trunk. The trunk is a closed area that only specialists are involved in; we do not go there. We are building not only prototypes of weapons, but also what I mentioned at the beginning - prototypes of mechanisms, 3D-transport, capable of moving in three dimensions. To develop prototypes, that is, working samples, we need a special powerful technological base. We are creating it now. We are building in the center of Moscow, on the territory of the National Research Technological University MISiS, between the Park of Culture and Leninsky Avenue, an underground center of high-complexity prototyping. The works are close to completion. The machining centers of the highest precision have already been installed, almost all the basic technological processes have been worked out. It will be a pilot production of a full cycle in a very compact format.

- What is the global market of small arms? Does he have a request for new weapons?

- The market is huge! There are military weapons, sports, various non-shooting layouts ... But the most difficult, most powerful weapon is combat. It should be unpretentious, work in any environment, in heat and cold. It is necessary that it is easily recharged, reliable, reliable, did not fail at the right moments when the question is "either you or you." In short, there are five criteria for military weapons: the speed of preparation for use, accuracy, firing range, reliability, low cost.

- The armament of our army meets these criteria?

- I am not a designer and I will be cautious in assessments. I think we need to work on the ergonomics of our weapon systems. It is necessary to use modern materials, today everywhere steel is being replaced by plastic, composite materials. A very important point - the coating of metals. There is still a lot of work. There was no weapon design in our country as such. Designers are always repelled only by the function. In its own way it is justified. But now we are entering global markets, we need to be the best. We need to create rifle complexes.

- What does "shooting complex" mean?

- In modern armies separately rifles or machine guns are used less and less. Systems are being replaced, including helmet-mounted sighting devices, high-power optics, laser and thermal imaging devices, new ammunition storage and transportation systems. For example, the famous Kalashnikov assault rifle requires two hands of a fighter. And if you need to shoot with one hand? Or without hands? It is possible, but uncomfortable. Another solution to this problem: a “parrot” is fixed on the soldier’s shoulder, which shoots where the person is looking. Another option: the sight is built into the glasses on the helmet of a soldier. And if he has the devices to look around the corner? Or through the wall? And to this add a device that distinguishes between their own and others? And all this should be interconnected, facilitated and easy to use. We are working on such innovations.

- What technologies exactly do modern weapon systems require?

- Here is a traditional pistol with a metal trigger. The hook is made on a milling machine with three or four permutations of the workpiece plus welding. This method significantly increases the cost of the product and increases production time. But pressed from the powder hook is much cheaper. In the West, a lot of plastic is now used. But such technologies have a minus: plastic in severe frosts crumbles, pricks. This means that such weapons are not applicable in the Arctic. And it may be required there. If we consider and calculate the number of small parts in the mechanism, their potential modularity and interchangeability, the cost of the product can be reduced by several times, if not by an order of magnitude!

Western designs, for example, are more technological than ours in production. But not the fact that it is better. After all, quality manifests itself in specific conditions. Europe is one thing, Russia is another. And the roads are different, and concrete, and glass. We need serious testing programs, improving performance, innovative solutions. Another promising direction: why not print ammo right in the field before the fight?

- Like this?

- Today, there are 3D printers that can reproduce any product of any shape using digital files. The main thing is to have the necessary materials. In the workshop put a line of printers. Need metal tubes for liners, gunpowder, and the bullets can be different - tracer, armor-piercing. In the evening, the commander made an order for two million rounds, in the morning everything is ready. And thus to cancel their logistics by wagons and airplanes thousands of kilometers away and not to carry with them in the wagon train.

Or, for example, in the conditions of the Arctic, which may become one of the theaters of military operations, special coatings are required, which are superior in strength to the metal itself. Ordinary plastic at a temperature of minus 60 degrees turns into a kind of glass. So, we need special composite additives. Instead of a metal handle it is necessary to put a ceramic, in structure resembling a sea shell rapan, it has high strength with less weight. Now from such ceramic materials we make body armor and helmets, they are considered the best in the world. This is the so-called bionic design.

- We went to the equipment of the soldier ...

- Yes sir. This is another direction of our work, the equipment of the future.

- Suit "Warrior", "green men" in the Crimea?

- No, it was, "anteens." Not even the first generation of a new soldier costume. This "Warrior" is already in the army, and this system is very competitive in the context of world analogues. There are now six or seven similar systems in the world.

The costume of the soldier of the future is actually a semi-bottomed complex. The main task that we face is the preservation of the life of a fighter. In general, the difference of this complex from the traditional form is that several systems are linked in it. In the costume of a soldier are built up to fifty different products.

The main task is to integrate the efforts of many enterprises into one complex product. Each company produces some of its own product and at the same time constantly improving it. Moreover, the system should be simplified, the simpler it is, the more reliable in real combat conditions. Elements of the system should be interchangeable, something can be supplied from another kit, if required. And do it right on the battlefield.

- How to solve the problem of survival of a soldier in the event of injury?

- Over this work, too, goes. We proceed from the rule of the “golden hour”: if a wounded person is helped in the first hour, he will have an 80-percent chance of survival. In the second hour - only 15-20 percent. Therefore, you need to help the soldier right on the battlefield, and then transfer him to the next level of medical care. So, we need special equipment for transporting the wounded. Which ones? What should be the stretcher? How can a comrade of a wounded man transport him, if on both of them 20 kg of equipment plus weapons? Indeed, in previous wars this was not. During World War II, a nurse could pull a wounded soldier out of a battlefield on a cape. Today it is already complicated. All these are important issues that require special solutions. Recently we were at the exercises in the Moscow region, where exactly these problems were worked out.

“A few years ago, one of our famous designers was already developing a military uniform kit. Not afraid to repeat the sad experience?

- I do not comment on the work of colleagues in the shop. I think that anyone would have professionally fulfilled the task assigned to him. Perhaps there was another time and there were other goals. Honestly, I would not want to go to war at all. But today we need to take care of the protection and fighting efficiency of our young guys, who may have to take part in some of the conflicts. It is necessary that they be confident. And the most important thing is that relatives do not receive bad news.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 14 November 2015 13: 57 New
    +3
    in the hot TV atmosphere, even purely civilian institutions and people "stick" to the military theme

    Normal people have not watched TV news for a long time, continuous propaganda in all countries.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 14 November 2015 14: 00 New
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      Our news highlights current events! Without any analytics! There is no propaganda! Personally, I did not notice!
      And already analytical programs, for example Solovyov, invite participants from different angles and they also speak quite freely!
      But in Urkain, for example - sheer lies and propaganda! Both in the USA and in geological Europe! There it is - they make crooked conclusions, distort, tear out phrases out of context, manipulate facts, etc.!
      1. cniza
        cniza 14 November 2015 14: 27 New
        +5
        If propaganda is not visible this does not mean that it is not.
        Quote: Baikonur
        And already analytical programs, for example Solovyov, invite participants from different angles and they also speak quite freely!
        But in Urkain, for example - sheer lies and propaganda! Both in the USA and in geological Europe! There it is - they make crooked conclusions, distort, tear out phrases out of context, manipulate facts, etc.!



        But in Ukraine and the USA - this can not be called propaganda ...- stupid, mediocre, harmful and absolutely useless talk ... people are no longer stupid and they need a scientific approach, which is not observed there.
        1. pilot8878
          pilot8878 14 November 2015 16: 02 New
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          If propaganda is not visible this does not mean that it is not.

          This is aerobatics in propaganda. When a person is told directly in the forehead: "This point of view is correct, but this one is not," this form of propaganda is clumsy, it has the lowest percentage of success. And in the case when the target audience "INDEPENDENTLY" comes to the necessary conclusions, it also "independently" takes the necessary position. The pnjv case has the highest percentage of effectiveness.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 14 November 2015 22: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: pilot8878
            This is aerobatics in propaganda.
            - Well, in this case, both you and I are all victims of propaganda laughing laughing For in aerobatics, but in a clumsy one, we were also "promoted" by our parents, a woman with a grandfather, and all the teachers at school laughing But seriously, what kind of propaganda is when someone tries to prove on TV that twice two is four? This is not propaganda, it is an attempt to convey the truth laughing And by the way, on Russian TV she often fails
            1. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 15 November 2015 02: 36 New
              +3
              in the hot TV atmosphere, even purely civilian institutions and people "stick" to the military theme


              Normal people have not watched TV news for a long time, continuous propaganda in all countries.



              No matter how you look at the News ...

              No matter how you watch the news from all over the mainland,
              Well, they don’t have a Tale of Peace and Love!

              Solid troubles, Solid thistle.
              And the Matrix repeats Properly - Exhale - Inhale.



              No matter how you watch the news ... Why am I watching them?
              Yuri Shunikov
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 14 November 2015 22: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: cniza
          If propaganda is not visible this does not mean that it is not.

          And who said that healthy propaganda is bad? belay
          Propaganda of truth, common sense, responsibility for deeds, and other markers of a healthy society, is the norm for any sane person!
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      3. GRAY
        GRAY 14 November 2015 14: 33 New
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        Quote: Baikonur
        There is no propaganda!

        On the whole, yes, but it cannot be said that there is no direct propaganda at all.
        There is. Here is a recent example:
        The Moscow government, on the initiative of fighters with a bloody Soviet past, decided to rename the Voikovskaya metro station, since Voikov allegedly participated in the execution of the royal family. But at the same time, for once, decided to ask the opinion of the city residents by organizing a vote on the portal "Active Citizen" - the intermediate result exceeded all expectations:
        55% are against, the rest divided the points for and do not care.
        What started here!
        Newspapers, Internet - everyone rushed to brand the damned killer, even Mr. Kiselyov charged on the air about how "Voikov tried on a bloody ring removed from a still warm body."
        I listened to the whole thing and something evil took me apart, I think, and who are they all?
        What do they all need? They did not build this station and it was not for them to call it.
        I registered on "Citizen" and also voted "against". And you say no propaganda.

        Now there is something silence on this topic, it seems the results have not changed much. lol
        1. Altona
          Altona 14 November 2015 15: 07 New
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          Quote: GRAY
          The Moscow government, on the initiative of fighters with a bloody Soviet past, decided to rename the Voikovskaya metro station, since Voikov allegedly participated in the execution of the royal family.

          ---------------------------
          To be honest, I studied in Moscow, never bothered where the station names came from. I lived on the Falcon, so Voikovskaya was next and so on until the Rechnoy Vokzal stop. Residents perceive the names of stations, streets and districts as familiar memes, regardless of the character after whom it is named ... Renaming is creating inconvenience, first of all, for local residents, changing their associative chain, changing the population code in general ... But by and large stupidity and the fight against history, I’m not talking about the costs ... It’s unprecedented, he killed the king ... The French also killed their kings and not only they ... All this is unnecessary demonization and a reference to the past ...
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 14 November 2015 17: 15 New
            +5
            All this is unnecessary demonization and a reference to the past ...

            I support, over there they renamed Stalingrad - the city of Stalin, you’re pushing. And the battle of Stalingrad is not renamed in any way into Volgograd! For all the ambiguous attitude towards him, this was not the last politician in the world, even if the leaders of the Allied countries stood up when he appeared. And the holiday of November 7 is being unjustly overwritten. Was there a revolution? - was in October? - Yes, did she have any influence on the global structure? anyway - yes! So why the name - Great October does not suit her ?? how many generations considered this a holiday and still consider it, unlike November 4 ... here is propaganda in action and rewriting of history to today's views.
            1. unsinkable
              unsinkable 14 November 2015 19: 04 New
              -2
              Quote: Yuyuka
              The battle of Stalingrad cannot be renamed Volgograd!

              I agree with this. Stalin was an evil tyrant, but a strong personality. With * the great revolution * I do not agree. Colleague, read carefully the documentaries from which it will become clear that there was a coup. And the communists themselves came up with the myths about the * great revolution * and the storming of the Winter For many years they fooled our heads. I was both an October student, and a pioneer and Komsomol member. And, like all the children at that time, he loved Lenin’s grandfather. He wasn’t in the party. He matured. But this is another story. But, in spite of this, I think that both the pioneer and the Komsomol were destroyed in vain. It’s possible to rename something , give a different focus and keep fit for the present.
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 15 November 2015 00: 20 New
                +1
                Yes, I know about the coup! Any revolution, a coup can’t get anywhere, or it’s not a revolution ... Here it’s all a matter of how everything went on, what are the results. I’ve already talked about 15 years, add to 1917, and even better to 20, when there was a devastation and see what they achieved. And take 1991 - what happened to us in 1991 ?? how it went on and what happened to the country by 2006 (15 years later) even now we were thrown back, I don’t even know how much. Remember the bulb of Ilyich? And do you know how wood stoves have become popular now? By the way, they also tried to accept the party - they denied, did not mature repeat although the communists were ordinary patriots in the majority - the father-in-law was like that, the best machine operator on the defense hardly wrote to the Central Committee, the director himself was afraid of him and was always the first to greet laughing and now the directors are not afraid of anything.
                Today they again spoke about China - they took the planned economy from the USSR, now only two are intensively exploring space - China and the rest of the world! Here the younger brother turned out to be smarter than the older one - he did not care about the past, but took the best from him.
                Yes, I agree about the Komsomol and the pioneer - pioneer camps are remembered with nostalgia, watching how the kids are rushing around in the summer and not only from idleness. Where are these free technical, musical, sports clubs free? Or open stadiums, where you could calmly go in and practice?
                I apologize for the verbosity
                1. olimpiada15
                  olimpiada15 15 November 2015 08: 27 New
                  0
                  Renaming is associated with the mashing in the history of an entire era of the Soviet period, very important and crucial for the world.
                  Despite the tragedy of the revolution, it played a positive role in the development of the country — universal literacy, health education, the electrification of the country, the development of industrial production, and in world politics these are the rights of people and the fight against colonization.
                  The very existence of the USSR was the basis for upholding the rights of the people throughout the world.
                  They are also trying to rename our city, change the name, to erase from history a whole era of heroic confrontation in the Second World War, to forget the labor feat of women and children who forged a great victory.
                  It's a shame for Stalingrad - renaming this city is erasing from the history of the feat of the defenders of Stalingrad, the Battle of Stalingrad, which turned the tide of the Second World War. And then the matter of propaganda technology, the heroes are Bandera, Americans, and all those who practically profited from this war and clung to the great Victory.
                  All renaming must be stopped. If you want new names, build new cities, streets and call them what you want, but history must be preserved for edification to descendants so that the tragedies of the past are not repeated.
            2. Altona
              Altona 14 November 2015 23: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Yuyuka
              how many generations considered this a holiday and still consider it, unlike November 4 ... here is propaganda in action and rewriting of history to today's views.

              --------------------------
              I wrote about November 4 ... There it is generally not clear what is being celebrated, because it was also an episode of the civil war with the involvement of Polish invaders, it was called "the time of turmoil." How this episode of the civil war differs from the episode of 1917, I did not understand, because in 1612 the Romanov dynasty took over the rule, and in 1917 we changed the monarchy to managers from the Bolshevik party. And on a historical scale, 1917 is much cooler in terms of social and economic transformations in the country ... I'm just setting out the facts, regardless of their historical assessment. With the same success, we could celebrate other dates, for example, the accession to the throne of Ivan the Terrible on January 16, 1547, in my opinion, is more logical ... At least from this time, the legitimacy of the Russian government at the international level begins to be recognized and "red lines of "influence of the Muscovy and its priorities. Muscovy is beginning to be recognized as the successor of the Eastern Roman Empire and the fading Byzantium ... That is, signs of a superpower are acquired, the most advanced methods of government and laws for society are being introduced ..
        2. sa-ag
          sa-ag 14 November 2015 16: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: GRAY
          even Mr. Kiselyov charged on the air about how "Voikov tried on a bloody ring removed from a still warm body."

          This installation is seen from the very top
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        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 14 November 2015 16: 38 New
          0
          GRAY

          You well. And we have a 9 year old kid who handed over his mother to the police. He said that she sat yes steering wheel after drinking. Now the media began to shout, what a good boy.

          Okay, this is lyrics.

          And according to the article.

          There is an assumption that the article is PR, share.

          Two reasons. First, if this office, which is being discussed, is a government agency. Those. if the main income is a state order. Then the conversation in the article can cause interest. Since what it is about is quite relevant. And if it goes to strengthen the state, then the meaning is positive.

          And two. Before you start delving into the article, look at the name of the office that supplies itself. Recently, and always there has been a tendency to give pompous names to desks like "Horns and Hooves".

          Any seller of an adult toy store wants to name their office so that the word institute and research is on the front page.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 14 November 2015 22: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: gladcu2
            And two. Before you start delving into the article, look at the name of the office that supplies itself. Recently, and there has always been a tendency to give pompous names to desks such as "Horns and Hooves"

            - well, if this person still knows what he does according to the article, why shouldn't he do it? Provided that a certain number of conditions are fulfilled and strictly observed, there is no such prohibition on the profession. Yes, and by the way, the same exoskeleton or "parachute" chips for high-speed controlled descent when landing from an airplane were invented by you, not by the military, but by ordinary young people - "extreme" for the sake of their own amusement, by high-brow academicians, called serious scientists - developers weapons, with all due respect to them, not very imaginative, and therefore they cannot come up with such a thing. By the way, the skateboard is already, if anything, on the way, you ride and do pirouettes on it, as on a regular skateboard, only through the air. The power plant of acceptable power and mass is already there, the matter is in the supply of energy with you. So far, the flight is enough for two minutes. So, if you are such a supporter of these "serious developers" who are poor for imagination, then when you refine this product, I expect from you every possible opposition to the introduction and adaptation of this innovation from extreme people to military affairs, because there is no need for PR to breed all kinds of extremals, here people are serious are engaged! And the special forces in urban battles in the old fashioned way along the destroyed stairs run on foot, and then they will say thank you laughing Thank you and you will not wish such an enemy. Something a lot here recently became retrograde. I understand that not everything in the past was bad, but the technology in the past was worse than even the mediocre present, because this is the basic law of the scientific and technological revolution
        4. unsinkable
          unsinkable 14 November 2015 18: 42 New
          0
          Quote: GRAY
          On the whole, yes, but it cannot be said that there is no direct propaganda at all.
          There is. Here is a recent example:
          The Moscow government, on the initiative of fighters with a bloody Soviet past, decided to rename the Voikovskaya metro station, since Voikov allegedly participated in the execution of the royal family. But at the same time, for once, decided to ask the opinion of the city residents by organizing a vote on the portal "Active Citizen" -

          No, this can’t be called propaganda. It’s a way of reconnaissance of those who hold power. They throw in information and then observe the reaction * of the electorate * and make a decision in accordance with this.
      4. Tor5
        Tor5 14 November 2015 16: 38 New
        0
        Perhaps the right profession.
      5. tehnoluks
        tehnoluks 14 November 2015 23: 34 New
        +1
        There is no propaganda! Personally, I did not notice!

        If you do not notice that you are being manipulated, then you are in the hands of a professional!)
        Somebody..
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 14 November 2015 14: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Civil
      in the hot TV atmosphere, even purely civilian institutions and people "stick" to the military theme

      Normal people have not watched TV news for a long time, continuous propaganda in all countries.

      I'm looking so what? I compare .... A lot of interesting things! And this western fashion "I don't watch TV at all and I don't have it .." The Internet is dirt and you need to be able to figure it out ... hi
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 14 November 2015 14: 43 New
        +1
        All right, they sailed. If a designer talks about military doctrine, expect trouble. I am only in favor of military analytics with all my hands. But when it is presented under such a sauce also from the Kommersant publication ... Probably the next step from this publication will be "analytical" articles from Zverev and Yudashkin.
        1. Altona
          Altona 14 November 2015 15: 11 New
          +5
          Quote: Proxima
          If a designer talks about military doctrine, wait for trouble.

          ----------------------
          The designer talks about technology and argues correctly ... We need to make weapons technological, ergonomic and modern ... His mission is mainly to design equipment and body kit weapons, that is, everything that does not apply to the barrel and the mechanism to make more convenient-forend, butt, body kits, handles, tripods, bipods, visors, sight housings ...
          1. cniza
            cniza 14 November 2015 15: 19 New
            0
            I liked and agree with you about the use of designers, he does not go into tactics or strategy only ergonomics.
            1. SibSlavRus
              SibSlavRus 14 November 2015 15: 57 New
              +1
              Ergonomics is, of course, great! But the phrase "reducing the cost of the product" evokes bad associations of the recent past. And the experience of Western countries in this direction is not particularly positive.
              For example: a shot of a Russian RPG grenade is 10,000 times cheaper than a modern one, for example the "Striker" armored personnel carrier. Our weapons are therefore the best in the world in terms of price / quality / efficiency ratio.
              You can’t save and reduce on such things. You can’t make cheaper AK! Why not!
              Indeed, the development of high technologies in science, production and industry is already reducing the cost of the product.
              Only experience shows that after the "cheapening" and new materials, the final cost just rises, and the quality, at best, is no better.

              Under capitalism we live - the main profit.
              1. cniza
                cniza 14 November 2015 16: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: SibSlavRus

                Under capitalism we live - the main profit.



                Unfortunately, you're right, the golden calf is ruling the show.
            2. Udofil
              Udofil 14 November 2015 17: 24 New
              +1
              You have not read the text carefully. Giving a characterization of modern war, the author is very much concerned with the issues of tactics. Personally, I would have two questions for him here: did he read the forecasts that were written on a similar occasion before the Second World War? Take, for example, Marshal M. Tukhachevsky. And Second: did he take into account the fact that a real war between the combined arms armies took place during the Iran-Iraq conflict? Everything that happened later refers to colonial wars or anti-partisan operations. Is the possibility of using weapons from outer space taken into account? And then a "warrior" ... As far as I can judge from the memoirs of WWII participants, most of the losses accounted for losses from the use of heavy weapons, and warriors, ergonomics, are more likely for aesthetes ... There will most likely be ersatz and cheap plastic, designed for the short life of an individual soldier in war.
              1. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 14 November 2015 18: 21 New
                0
                I will say more, the overwhelming number of combat losses will be brought by artillery, aircraft, and now also high-precision weapons. Then a mine war and an automatic large caliber, and only further small arms.

                The entire current hi-tech system: weapons, integrated sights, equipment, personal protective equipment, etc. to network management and network-centric tactics, I think it’s perfect for a battalion brigade or special forces unit during special operations. But it is difficult to imagine all this in a full-fledged combined-arms operation with all types of weapons, especially from the enemy. Although there has long been a brigade and battalion system.
                Imagine how our artillery and aircraft, heavy flamethrower systems, MLRS and tank attacks ground several battalions of high-tech fighters and the same enemy equipment. However, well, very expensive losses will be. And nothing will save them, except for deep holes in the mother earth. And it can also prevent the mink from clogging. They will dig a trench lying down with these tablet gadgets when artillery mortar fire or MLRS cassettes begin to burst.
                But this is not the main thing, the main thing is that the military industry fulfilled the state order and made a profit.

                The man is the basic element of any conflict! The author is right and it is indisputable.
                But .., he forgot to add: ... his skills, experience, professionalism. And the military experience of his country, people, army. This will help survive and win in world war.
                1. SibSlavRus
                  SibSlavRus 14 November 2015 18: 53 New
                  0
                  It’s not entirely correct for the interviewee to say that there will be major up-and-coming actions in urban development. He probably does not represent the scale of losses in manpower and equipment. Yes, there should be a ratio of at least 1 defender: 7 attackers.
                  He probably took the Middle East as the basis for research more.
                  But Russia is a different building and landscape, or East-Central Europe.
                  As far as the Balkans and the Caucasus are concerned, I can say that the suburbs and "green", the logistics infrastructure bring huge losses. This can be traced in the same way in Donbass. And cities, nevertheless, are more profitable to besiege. As an example, Sarajevo.
                  And all the same, no matter how cynical it sounds, but it is worth starting from the question: "Do we need people or land?" Recently the President correctly said (approximately the following): "More than one drop of the blood of a Russian soldier will not be spilled just like that!" , meaning, probably, that there will be no more liberation of ungrateful Europe (we owe half of the world their freedom and statehood!).
                  But we can clean it, remotely! lol
                2. Oleko
                  Oleko 16 November 2015 03: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: SibSlavRus
                  The man is the basic element of any conflict! The author is right and that’s indisputable. But .., he forgot to add: ... his skills, experience, professionalism. And the military experience of his country, people, army. This will help to survive and win the world war.

                  I agree. There is a book by A. Potapov "Pistol Shooting Techniques. Practice SMERSH". It describes not only the "swinging pendulum" shooting techniques "in Macedonian", but also the training system for SMERSH investigators. And they revealed extraordinary abilities in the learning process. Intuition, occipital vision, and more. The investigator relied on himself and the weapon. "This manual contains a methodological decryption
                  features of the shooting practice of the Soviet military
                  counterintelligence SMERSH. Ability to shoot from combat
                  guns offhand, on moving targets, on
                  hearing in the dark, as well as individual group tactics
                  a win-win operational pistol
                  battlefield is a martial art created before the revolution
                  Russian counterintelligence officers. This battle
                  practice, which at one time had no analogues, unfortunately,
                  already thoroughly forgotten. "
                  The emphasis on technology alarms me. Will the tablet refuse and the unit is not ready? I do not know.
          2. Proxima
            Proxima 14 November 2015 15: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: Proxima
            If a designer talks about military doctrine, wait for trouble.

            ----------------------
            The designer talks about technology and argues correctly ... We need to make weapons technological, ergonomic and modern ... His mission is mainly to design equipment and body kit weapons, that is, everything that does not apply to the barrel and the mechanism to make more convenient-forend, butt, body kits, handles, tripods, bipods, visors, sight housings ...

            Dear, have you read the article? What right does he have to express his opinion of the "vision" of the war of the future? I am not against technologies and different equipment of fighters there. But this article is all in one pile. Is he a representative of the analytical center of the General Staff of Russia?
            1. Altona
              Altona 14 November 2015 16: 10 New
              +6
              Quote: Proxima
              Dear, have you read the article? What right does he have to express his opinion of the "vision" of the war of the future? I am not against technologies and different equipment of fighters there. But this article is all in one pile. Is he a representative of the analytical center of the General Staff of Russia?

              ---------------------
              When they gave the technical task, they explained why it was being done and he said everything correctly and in essence. Now the fighter is not cannon fodder, not a static point on the front line, but a combat unit that should act as long as possible and survive ... That’s what the designer had in mind with his vision ... I don’t see anything wrong with that .. .
              1. Udofil
                Udofil 14 November 2015 17: 27 New
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                Sorry, why did you decide that? Where can I read this? Is it defined in combat manuals? Or in computer games?
          3. Homo
            Homo 14 November 2015 16: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Altona
            The designer talks about technology and reasoning correctly ...

            He started right, but then he got carried away.
            "... In the evening, the commander made an order for two million rounds, in the morning everything is ready. And thereby cancel their logistics by wagons and planes thousands of kilometers away and not carry them with you in the train ..."
            And will he collect consumables (tons) under his feet? In order to get two million rounds, you need to bring consumables by weight equal to the weight of these two million rounds.
            1. Altona
              Altona 14 November 2015 17: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Homo
              He started right, but then he got carried away.
              "... In the evening, the commander made an order for two million rounds, in the morning everything is ready. And thereby cancel their logistics by wagons and planes thousands of kilometers away and not carry them with you in the train ..."

              -------------------------
              He figuratively expressed himself ... We can remember a couple of films, "Back to the Future", where Doc throws waste (a tin can from "Pepsi") into a generator to generate energy, or "Brother-2", where Danila Bagrov makes a makeshift shrapnel a crossbow from cutting pipes, sulfur matches and nitrate, improvised means in general ... That is, there will be devices that will allow the use of improvised materials. I took his words as an excursion into futurology, and quite real ...
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          4. gladcu2
            gladcu2 14 November 2015 16: 46 New
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            Altona

            To say obviously right things does not mean to do these things right.

            The opinion of the designer can be heard. But the last will be the answer of the technologist.

            Everyone saw the Predator movie with Schwartz. Have you seen an owl on the shoulder of a predator? What's new for you?

            In battlefield, a computer game was played. Is the player informative?

            Then what new did the designer say?

            All the time I was trying to understand what level of state support this storyteller has.

            This is not clear from the article.

            Conclusion. The number pi with the ball in English.
            1. Altona
              Altona 14 November 2015 17: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: gladcu2
              To say obviously right things does not mean to do these things right.

              The opinion of the designer can be heard. But the last will be the answer of the technologist.

              Everyone saw the Predator movie with Schwartz. Have you seen an owl on the shoulder of a predator? What's new for you?

              In battlefield, a computer game was played. Is the player informative?

              Then what new did the designer say?

              All the time I was trying to understand what level of state support this storyteller has.

              ---------------------------------
              The player’s information content is increasing, drones and robots of all kinds are used ... In addition, now even any real fighter uses a cell phone as a means of communication and as a timer-fuse ... Look at Paris, there were only 10 fighters there, moreover, SEVEN people did everything they wanted and self-exploded, and only ONE was shot by valiant special forces ... TWO have not yet been found! And already this action is called a military act! And what will 100 trained fighters do? Yes, they’ll put half of France in cancer ... This is not my thought, Limonov’s, from his LJ ...
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 14 November 2015 19: 22 New
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                Altona

                You are absolutely right. And this storyteller-designer, too, said nothing new.

                But, for the state there is always a dilemma of obtaining a universal technological product, while attracting maximum benefit.

                And then the violent differences begin between life and the dream.

                The designer says A, and the technologist has already squeezed his strong brushes on his throat so that he shuts up. And without it it makes me sick.
        2. jovanni
          jovanni 14 November 2015 20: 19 New
          0
          "... Well, that's it, they sailed. If a designer talks about military doctrine, expect trouble."

          No need to sail anywhere. Better ask who this designer is, what kind of person he is and what he has done in life. By the way, his name is Vladimir Pirozhkov. If at least part of our society belonged to our profession and to our Motherland as this designer, we would live in the most advanced country in the world. Advanced in every way ...
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 14 November 2015 21: 18 New
      0
      You need to watch to know your own and know the traitors.
    4. marinier
      marinier 14 November 2015 23: 22 New
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      Hello dear!
      From 4ast you are right, but all the same, tediously sebia dare in tone.
      Ina4e, how do you know about NATO surrender!
  2. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 14 November 2015 14: 02 New
    +7
    A designer is something like: "I see it that way!" In the late 80s, I was struck by a phrase from a review of a designers' exhibition: "This device, with a certain skill, can be used, but this is not the main point, the main thing is the designer's view of rural life."
    Honestly, I’m surprised by the appearance of this post on VO !!!
    1. poquello
      poquello 14 November 2015 14: 14 New
      -5
      Quote: Theodore Rasp
      A designer is something like: "I see it that way!" In the late 80s, I was struck by a phrase from a review of a designers' exhibition: "This device, with a certain skill, can be used, but this is not the main point, the main thing is the designer's view of rural life."
      Honestly, I’m surprised by the appearance of this post on VO !!!

      normal post, and normal directions, it's time to change the warrior to a predator
    2. beer-youk
      beer-youk 14 November 2015 14: 26 New
      0
      One of the founders of ergonomics, KFH Murrell, explained: "Ergonomics are never beautiful - they are functional, and, on the contrary, the design is beautiful, but inconvenient. They are antagonists!"
      A little on my own, the design of the new VAZs looks very much nothing, until you try to get inside with dimensions 198/112.
      1. poquello
        poquello 14 November 2015 16: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: beer-youk
        One of the founders of ergonomics, KFH Murrell, explained: "Ergonomics are never beautiful - they are functional, and, on the contrary, the design is beautiful, but inconvenient. They are antagonists!"
        A little on my own, the design of the new VAZs looks very much nothing, until you try to get inside with dimensions 198/112.

        Is technical aesthetics no longer part of ergonomics?
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    3. jovanni
      jovanni 14 November 2015 21: 15 New
      +1
      Fedya, bro! You're out of luck, in the late 80s you didn't run into a designer. Was it maybe just an artist? Or even a swindler ... Design is such a synthetic, creative kind of human activity. Synthesis of functionality and aesthetic impact on humans. Aesthetic impact - not pretty! It can also cause rejection, fear, horror ... Suffice it to recall that before the Second World War, the designers of Nazi Germany purposefully created the image of the superiority of the German soldier. It was uniform, equipment and equipment. And "I see it this way" is not design. See as you want, but somewhere under the covers. And if you are a designer, then think first of all about who you are creating a new project for. And this person, whose interview we have read, - he thinks. Pirozhkov is his last name. Vladimir. At one time he worked on the design of European cars, then he was the lead designer for Toyota. But besides being an excellent professional, he is also a patriot of his homeland. Therefore, he works a lot in Russia. With the firm "Sukhoi", for example. And the design of the cabin of the spacecraft of the future at MAKS in 2011 became a sensation in general ... Yes, he did a lot of things, and God willing he will do it.
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 14 November 2015 14: 11 New
    +2
    The author tried to interview ... but here:
    Modern wars take place mainly in urban environments and affect logistics operations


    The military conflicts of the two sides taking place in the cities over the right to own the infrastructure are of a local nature, it is unlikely that in a global war, someone will, for example, as in the case of Hiroshima, look for "a new type of battle management, the so-called sergeants of three quarters" ... flew away, now - they sent a charge and marked on the map the radius of continuous destruction and other zones where even a soldier's foot would not set foot.
    what

    But in general, informative.
  4. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 14 November 2015 14: 12 New
    0
    Back in 80, the Soviet leadership assumed that radical Islamism would become the main threat to peace. Read archives, talk to old military personnel at headquarters, and don’t carry nonsense about network-centric wars. Terror is the current and future enemy. A country with a country, a government with a government can negotiate. It is not possible to negotiate with terrorists.
    And the structure about which such a detailed story is another cut of money. Only the military know what they need and how it should look, because they are the customer.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 14 November 2015 15: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Dimon19661
      the main threat to the world will be radical Islamism.
      Radical Islamism is a new-fangled current that itself did not grow at the end of the 20th century, like weed grass in a garden. It has been designed, financed and is continuing it now. Who is doing this? If he created killer robots, would you write that the main threat to the world is killer robots? Wrong compote ...
    2. Udofil
      Udofil 14 November 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      I read such documents before 91. There was nothing of the sort ... The gradual escalation of a limited nuclear conflict into a world war. They were only wondering where exactly it would start ... Well, and as usual, world imperialism, Zionism and others ... are lower. By the way, Europe was considered the main probable region and probable TVD, but it should have flashed from Germany)) This is once again the topic of the accuracy of forecasts, even made by serious analysts
  5. Gorinich
    Gorinich 14 November 2015 14: 13 New
    0
    The main thing that should be noted is the actions of autonomous battle groups. It is these groups that create the conditions under which the capture of cities is already possible. It is these groups that become the shock rink of future armies. Our reality is when 90% of the population lives in cities. You can call such groups gangs, but it is with the help of such tactics that the ISIS pseudo-state was born today.
  6. Gani
    Gani 14 November 2015 14: 16 New
    0
    That is why people love weapons - primarily because it is the pinnacle of technical and technological thought, but only in the second instinct of the hunter, defender. At all times, the most advanced weapons were expensive and therefore possess them is cool, status, etc.
  7. Starik72
    Starik72 14 November 2015 14: 21 New
    +2
    If they try to eat us, and without consequences for themselves, this then forces us to do everything necessary, in all areas, so that this would not happen, that is, they did not eat us. Article plus, to the author THANKS!
  8. Gani
    Gani 14 November 2015 14: 22 New
    +3
    - Like this?

    - Today, there are 3D printers that can reproduce any product of any shape using digital files. The main thing is to have the necessary materials. In the workshop put a line of printers. Need metal tubes for liners, gunpowder, and the bullets can be different - tracer, armor-piercing. In the evening, the commander made an order for two million rounds, in the morning everything is ready. And thus to cancel their logistics by wagons and airplanes thousands of kilometers away and not to carry with them in the wagon train.

    this is the main place that confused, but for gunpowder tubes for cartridges and powder for printing cartridges carts are not needed? + Another convoy for the 3D printer workshop. Well, the author exaggerated of course, but ... The mass effect is direct ... That's when the Gaussian becomes the main infantry weapon and it only needs batteries and small little bullets - then yes, it will probably be more convenient to print them on a printer
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 14 November 2015 18: 08 New
      0
      That's for sure. Don't print "Poplar"! Such little Topolinochki. True with great ... design.
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 14 November 2015 14: 24 New
    +2
    We'll beat the swords into plowshares later. "
    Because many people first need to give the yelling!
    1. v1tz
      v1tz 14 November 2015 14: 46 New
      0
      In in, or screaming should be with huge missiles under the adequate steering.
  10. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 14 November 2015 14: 29 New
    0
    I read the article with interest, an original and somewhat unexpected approach for me, military education is affecting laughing, but in my opinion, the author’s reasoning is quite competent and sensible. hi
    1. theodore rasp
      theodore rasp 14 November 2015 14: 37 New
      -1
      Let's also invite fashion designers: "How is the military uniform from Zayaytsev sitting on the soldiers? And the fact that they froze in it is a trifle!"
      1. beer-youk
        beer-youk 14 November 2015 14: 50 New
        +1
        And the sight was unsightly, the soldiers in their winter coats resembled condors - a thin neck from an extensive collar. "A pitiful sight, a heartbreaking sight!" Something whispers to me that this was one of the directions of discrediting the army in the 90s.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 14 November 2015 16: 45 New
          -1
          Quote: Theodore Rasp
          Let's also invite fashion designers: "How is the military uniform from Zayaytsev sitting on the soldiers? And the fact that they froze in it is a trifle!"

          I can’t understand what the old form was bad? Who served in the 60-80s remembers the standard: 45 seconds. In 4,5 minutes we had to run 800 meters to the SSR, start the diesel engine and prepare the SSR for work. In the old form, we even blocked I doubt the new standard? The nephew, the second-year student of the military school, as if in no hurry, fits in at best a minute and a half. Maybe I'm wrong, please correct me. Other forum users said about the other shortcomings. We need to make weapons more technologically, but not to the detriment of quality. Obsolete materials must also be changed with a head.
  11. Benya krik
    Benya krik 14 November 2015 14: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Civil
    in the hot TV atmosphere, even purely civilian institutions and people "stick" to the military theme

    Normal people have not watched TV news for a long time, continuous propaganda in all countries.

    Any opinion of the opposite side, their view of what is happening, expressed in the media is essentially propaganda. The question is which side you are looking at.
  12. avt
    avt 14 November 2015 14: 38 New
    -1
    - Suit "Warrior", "green men" in the Crimea?
    .... be !!! "POLITE PEOPLE" !!! "Little green men" Porosenko sees and regularly shakes off himself and yells at Squirrel.
  13. vobels
    vobels 14 November 2015 14: 38 New
    +3
    "We proceed from the golden hour rule: if a wounded person is helped in the first hour, he will have an 80 percent chance of survival." A very serious topic, and if resolved, then a 1: 5 calculation will work.
    1. raid14
      raid14 14 November 2015 22: 10 New
      -1
      What if for each fighter we develop individual electronic bracelets of vital indicators with the transfer of data to the devices of the sanitary teams to detect (by Glonass or GPS marks) and evacuate the wounded from the battlefield.
  14. NIKNN
    NIKNN 14 November 2015 14: 45 New
    +2
    It has three parts. The first is an analysis of the global situation. It follows from it that war in some form is very possible and even close.


    Something poorly analyzed. The war is already underway and no less than the 3rd World War. How many countries and continents are involved in US ambition? Analysis of the global situation on which planet was carried out

    The second is "analysis of analyzes", a squeeze into several pages about what potential conflicts might be.


    Better than the first point lol Steeper than this is the use of nuclear weapons.

    And the third part is a kind of technical task that we wrote for ourselves

    For yourself, you can write only a business plan for cutting the allocated budget, and technical requirements are written by customers.
    There was an opinion that you are trying to adapt to the pie of the military budget with the improvement of AKM design. crying
  15. moskowit
    moskowit 14 November 2015 15: 01 New
    +1
    Excuse me generously. Is it really impossible to write in Russian. Of the half that was written, no matter how hard I tried, I understood almost nothing ... Regards, Nikolai Ivanovich.
  16. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 14 November 2015 15: 26 New
    -2
    Colleagues, you mixed everything up :) This is a makeup artist - the corresponding sexual orientation, there was not a word about the designer;)
  17. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 14 November 2015 15: 47 New
    0
    I started to read. I read a dozen lines. Spat. And now a little IMHO.
    All conflicts will be resolved as peacefully as possible only when the "supreme" squads are at the forefront of the "penalties". How many years ago ... very many years ago ...
  18. raid14
    raid14 14 November 2015 16: 01 New
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    The article touches upon many topics, in particular the digitization of topographic maps 1: 10000 into an electronic tablet of the "Ratnik" equipment, preferably with an indication of underground utilities, sewage systems, etc. Whatever happens, they entered the city as the first company on tourist maps from the printing.
    The device for recognizing "friend or foe" for conducting combat operations in conditions of limited visibility, reduces the risk of "friendly fire" and is simply irreplaceable.
    Communication and control of the unit "tied" to armored vehicles with "Andromeda" is quite a suitable option.
  19. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 14 November 2015 16: 25 New
    0
    World landmarks painted in the colors of the French flag
    the land of Donbass is in blood all. here. the French themselves, the Russians themselves. and don’t need la la me here.
  20. satelit24
    satelit24 14 November 2015 16: 32 New
    +1
    Network-centric warfare. The term was introduced by Americans with experience in conflict in recent years.
    "Network-centric warfare" involves the creation of an extensive network of well-informed but geographically dispersed forces.


    Well, where did they win?
  21. bad
    bad 14 November 2015 16: 39 New
    -1
    competent and good article .. this designer very accurately distributed the priorities of his work .. God help you! .. would have been more competent and caring ..
  22. cap
    cap 14 November 2015 17: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Altona
    Altona (2) SU Today, 16:10 ↑ New

    Quote: Proxima
    Dear, have you read the article? What right does he have to express his opinion of the "vision" of the war of the future? I am not against technologies and different equipment of fighters there. But this article is all in one pile. Is he a representative of the analytical center of the General Staff of Russia?

    ---------------------
    When they gave the technical task, they explained why it was being done and he said everything correctly and in essence. Now the fighter is not cannon fodder, not a static point on the front line, but a combat unit that should act as long as possible and survive ... That’s what the designer had in mind with his vision ... I don’t see anything wrong with that .. .

    I agree with these two points of view. I’ll add to the above. I’ll invite a haircut stylist to the discussion. We don’t have to talk about the glamor of the weapon and we should think about the appearance. The grenades should not be painted black or green, but it’s somehow rainbow. This will fly to the trench the enemy will be very tolerant.
  23. wandlitz
    wandlitz 14 November 2015 17: 56 New
    +2
    [i] Do not forge your swords for yelling, they will come stuff a loaf of bread[/ i] - the author of the aphorism Valery Nikolaevich Kovalev.
  24. atamankko
    atamankko 14 November 2015 18: 31 New
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    Gunpowder needs to be kept dry
    this is not said by us, but true.
  25. guest arbeiter
    guest arbeiter 14 November 2015 19: 14 New
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    Come on!
    USSR Ministry of Defense posed impossible TK!
    And yet, they did it!
    1. 3axap82
      3axap82 14 November 2015 21: 23 New
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      It depends on whom to put them.
      Korolev, Utkin, Chalomey or these engineering "geniuses".
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 14 November 2015 19: 38 New
    +1
    . In the evening, the commander made an order for two million rounds, in the morning everything is ready. And thereby cancel their logistics by cars and planes for thousands of kilometers and not carry with them in a wagon train.
    Yeah, instead, we will carry a train of materials for the production of the same cartridges with us in the train! good
  27. Awp
    Awp 14 November 2015 21: 00 New
    +2
    This designer, his last name Pirozhkov, made the salon of the very first Citroen C5 (Mk. 1), 2001. To be honest, I was not impressed. Even disappointed. All his works are lines for the sake of design. And very much an amateur. Take a look at the photos in the article at the link: a pistol with microscopic screws like on a smartphone - is this normal? Helicopter Mi-28M, absolutely alien to aerodynamics. A boat in the form of an iron, that is, an iron in the form of a boat. Igla-KhZ MANPADS - in general, why are these covers there ... Convertoplane ... - I drew such pictures at school before entering the Aviation Institute. Well, like a cherry - his professional field - auto design ... @@@@@ ZIL car with swing doors from Rolls-Royce. Who is this for?
    Yes, after Citroen, he painted Toyota ... I think I know where Toyota got that kitsch design. Ideas on tactics, by the way, are good. I agree too. With some. Once, I confess, I proposed to specialists an idea with a loose propellant charge in small arms in the form of a cartridge like a printer, with dosing depending on the distance to the target and the weight of the bullet or projectile and bicaliber barrel. But then they chewed me and realized that this was a very distant prospect.
    And to drive such a designer out with pissed rags, he’ll ruin our entire defense!
  28. 3axap82
    3axap82 14 November 2015 21: 08 New
    +1
    "Who invited you to the defense industry?

    - One of the employees of the Zlatoust Machine-Building Plant invited me to see the line of products that this enterprise produces. I went and met the director, then it was Sergey Lemeshevsky, we found a common language. Now he runs the NGO. Lavochkin. But we continue to cooperate with him. Zlatmash brought us to the Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering, which is part of the Rostec state corporation. Director of the Central Research Institute Tochmash Dmitry Semizorov introduced me to the Advanced Research Fund (FPI), which deals with innovations in the defense sector. "
    This office will project wunderwaffles, see for yourself.
    http://misis.ru/about-university/struktura-universiteta/upravlenij-i-centry/inji
    niringoviy-centr-kinetika / presentaciya-centra
    And the well-known A. Serdyukov who miraculously escaped prison was appointed industrial director of Rostec for the aviation industry. There you go ...
    They will cut money.
  29. rubidiy
    rubidiy 15 November 2015 14: 43 New
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    I am glad that it was not for me alone that this interview seemed bullshit. In military affairs there is no place for design. Dot.
  30. Oleko
    Oleko 16 November 2015 07: 39 New
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    Followed the link: http://misis.ru/about-university/struktura-universiteta/upravlenij-i-centry/inji

    niringoviy-centr-kinetika / presentaciya-centra. I looked. "The trouble is, if a pastry starts to make boots, and a shoemaker starts to bake pies." It's disgusting to look at a weapon (Where are you, my dear AK-47 No. 5274, in training, Kamenka, the whole platoon fired from you, because there was only one shot. And then I cleaned.). Zaum is solid. "Get in the way." Good weapons don't need design. It is beautiful in itself. People have nothing to do, but in Russian x .. they suffer.