On modernization of the Strategic Missile Forces

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Last Wednesday, November 11, a meeting was held in the Sochi residence "Bocharov Ruchey" with the participation of leaders of the state, representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the defense industry. During this event, President Vladimir Putin made an important statement, instantly scattered in ribbons. News. The head of state urged to catch up on previous years and develop the armed forces. At the same time, however, he noted that the country should not be drawn into any arms race. The main task is to update the army, which will get rid of the consequences of previous decades of insufficient funding.

It is proposed to upgrade the armed forces and upgrade their equipment in several main areas. One of the main ones is the development of strategic rocket forces, which are the most important instrument for ensuring state security. The renewal of the Strategic Missile Forces has become one of the main topics of several recent meetings devoted to the development of the army. In this context, some features of current works were announced, and plans for the future were disclosed.

During the last meetings, V. Putin drew attention to foreign projects of anti-missile systems that may pose a threat to Russian security. According to the Russian president, the true goal of such projects being implemented by the United States and its allies is not to defend against a nuclear missile attack, but to achieve global military superiority. This imbalance of power represents a great danger, because of which Russia will be forced to take retaliatory measures.



According to the president, Russia will strengthen the potential of its strategic nuclear forces. It is planned to create missile defense systems, but at the moment the main task is to work on attack systems that can overcome any defense of a potential enemy.

Currently, mass production and delivery of the newest missile systems to the troops continues. V. Putin once again said that during 2015, the Strategic Missile Forces should receive four regiments with the most modern missiles. This information was repeatedly voiced previously by various officials and has now again received confirmation. The president did not specify the type of new complexes, however, most likely, they talked about PC-24 "Yars" systems. Available information on the structure of the rocket forces suggests that they will receive the latest 36 systems for the current year.

Certain successes have been achieved in the creation of new missile systems, which in the future will replace the existing equipment in service. Closest to the adoption of the intercontinental ballistic missile RS-26 "Frontier". It is a further development of the Topol / Yars products and has similar goals. Earlier it was claimed that the Rubezh complex in the distant future would replace the existing Topol-M and Yars missiles. However, over the next few years, complexes of all three types are likely to be used in parallel.

The development of the PC-26 project started about ten years ago at the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering. The existence of a promising project became known only a few years later, when it reached the stage of building prototypes and tests. The first launch of the test rocket took place in September of the 2011 of the year and ended in failure (according to other sources, these were successful throwing tests). Also in 2011, an alternative designation of the project appeared, which is why in different sources the complex PC-26 can be referred to as “Border” and “Avant-garde”.

To date, several test launches have been completed. Almost all launches, with the exception of the very first, ended in a successful defeat of the conventional goal. In March, 2015, the next successful launch took place, after which it was decided to start mass production of missiles with subsequent deployment in the army.

In 2014 and 2015, officials repeatedly raised the topic of the adoption of the "Boundary" in service. So, last year it was claimed that these missiles would go into service in the 2015. In the spring of this year, Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev, said that the complex will be put into service at the end of 2015, and mass production will start no later than the first months of 2016.

Works on the PC-26 “Frontier” project have entered the final stage. In the near future, the new system will be adopted by the strategic missile forces, and in the next few months the army will receive the first serial missiles. Until the end of next year, the first formations armed with new complexes will take over duty. Thus, already now the project "Frontier" can be considered successfully completed. The nomenclature of the Strategic Missile Forces will be replenished with a new type of missiles with enhanced characteristics.

PC-26 “Frontier” in the distant future will have to replace the Topol and Yars systems. In the near future, a gradual replacement of heavy-class ICBMs, such as the P-36M, etc., is planned, for which the RS-28 Sarmat missile is currently being developed. To date, some features of this promising project have become known, but most of the information is still not to be disclosed.

The creation of the Sarmat project started at the end of the last decade. The lead developer was the State Rocket Center. Makeev. In addition, some other enterprises are involved in the project, in particular, the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya. The aim of the project is to create a heavy liquid intercontinental ballistic missile that can replace existing samples of a similar class in the Strategic Missile Forces.

The exact requirements for the rocket remain unknown, although some approximate information was read out. For example, the former chief of the General Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces and consultant to the commander of the missile forces, Viktor Esin, mentioned that the missile weight of the new missile would reach 5 tons. Flight range has not yet revealed. At the same time, the Deputy Minister of Defense Yury Borisov last year noted that the promising ICBM could fly through the North or South Pole.

At the end of last spring, Y. Borisov also said that all work on the Sarmat project was proceeding in accordance with the schedule. In the summer of 2015, information appeared according to which the third stage of development work is currently underway. At the same time it was mentioned that the flight tests of the promising missile will begin as early as next year.

Previously, information appeared about the construction time of the first prototype of the PC-28 product. According to TASS, the first prototype of the rocket should be built by mid-autumn. In the future, it will be used in the first throwing tests, during which they will check the operation of the launcher and its systems. It was also reported that, as of the end of June, the assembly of the prototype was completed on 60%.

At the moment, it can be assumed that the tests of the Sarmat RS-28 rocket will start next year, after which it will take some time to carry out all the necessary checks and modifications. As a result, the promising ICBM will be able to go on a series and take up duty only after a few years. It has been repeatedly claimed that the Sarmat complex will go into operation by the end of the decade - in 2018-20. Taking into account the available information on the current state of the project, such deadlines look real.

At the present time, several types of complexes are in service with strategic missile forces, including those developed several decades ago, during the Soviet era. In recent years, the program of modernizing the armament of the Strategic Missile Forces has been carried out, the purpose of which is to create and put on duty new missile systems. The outcome of the current work should be a complete rejection of the use of outdated systems with the transition to new ones.

Several years ago, the development of the PC-24 “Yars” project was completed, after which a new type of missile began to receive Strategic Rocket Forces. Next year, the troops will receive the first batch of systems "Rubezh". By the end of the decade, the arsenal of rocket troops will be replenished with the Sarmat complex. Thus, by the 2020-22 years, the armaments of the strategic missile forces will form the complexes created during the last 10-15 years, which will positively affect the combat capability of the Strategic Missile Forces and the strategic security of the state.


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  1. +6
    13 November 2015 06: 34
    With the loss of Yuzhmash, the need to produce heavy missiles in Russia has become simply glaring. I look forward to good news on Sarmatia.
    1. +1
      13 November 2015 07: 05
      ...yah? and why there Yuzhmash gained this recently do not enlighten? smile
      1. +5
        13 November 2015 07: 35
        Well, apparently, the question is not that Yuzhmash has worked out recently (what could it have done there?), But that it has been disconnected from the Russian military-industrial complex, while the need for its traditional direction of development has not only remained, but also intensified.
        1. +5
          13 November 2015 09: 23
          Moore
          , but the fact that it is turned off from the military-industrial complex of Russia


          .... yes, I asked that ... A SPECIFIC QUESTION, what "Yuzhmash" has developed for Russia lately? ... without second thoughts ... WHAT? ... and if nothing ... and then what? But for any manufacturer ..... destruction of a competitor ... blessing (if no snot). In general, it's funny to hear ... that ... we will be worse ... if they ... ears frostbitten .... wink
          1. +5
            13 November 2015 17: 21
            Yuzhmash provided the extension of the P-36's service life and collaborated on the program for their conversion.
          2. 0
            14 November 2015 14: 01
            For Russia, Yuzhmash produced 15A14 and 15A18 Satan missiles, rocket engines on aggressive components, and replaced missiles with an expired warranty. Now no one does it instead of him. Missiles with amyl and heptyl cannot stay on duty forever. They have an extended service life and are gradually removed from service. There is nothing to replace yet ...
            1. 0
              14 November 2015 19: 25
              Quote: rubin6286
              , rocket engines on aggressive components, ...

              Which ones ?
              1. 0
                15 November 2015 15: 38
                Quote: Bad_gr
                Quote: rubin6286
                , rocket engines on aggressive components, ...

                Which ones ?

                And in response - silence ....
              2. 0
                16 November 2015 22: 37
                Aggressive components are oxidizing agent - amyl (nitrogen tetroxide or nitric tetroxide), fuel - heptyl (asymmetric dimethylhydrazine). For some reason I thought everyone knew that.
                1. 0
                  17 November 2015 00: 02
                  I'm not talking about liquid fuel components. What rocket engines on aggressive components does Ukraine produce?
                  Components of fuel for solid propellant rockets - yes, they did, they developed the rockets themselves, but I have not heard about the manufacture of engines for liquid rockets.
                  1. 0
                    22 January 2016 23: 28
                    It’s easier for you to go to Yuzhmash’s site ...
                    1. 0
                      22 January 2016 23: 49
                      Quote: mahor
                      It’s easier for you to go to Yuzhmash’s site ...

                      In my opinion, when a person speaks not an axiom, it is better to confirm your statement with a reference to the information where this opinion came from.
                      I do not dispute the merits of Yuzh.Mash, as a developer of rockets, but I did not come across information about lcd engines from him.
            2. 0
              22 January 2016 23: 27
              Quote: rubin6286
              For Russia, Yuzhmash produced 15A14 and 15A18 Satan missiles, rocket engines on aggressive components, and replaced missiles with an expired warranty. Now no one does it instead of him. Missiles with amyl and heptyl cannot stay on duty forever. They have an extended service life and are gradually removed from service. There is nothing to replace yet ...



              All maintenance work was transferred to Makeev’s GRC ...
      2. +6
        13 November 2015 10: 25
        Yuzhmash is not a design bureau to work out. He was the only heavy missile manufacturer in the Union. To create such an enterprise from scratch is not a slipper to sew. And do not tell that we already produce rockets and on this base it is easy to increase the diameter and length of the blanks.
        1. +1
          13 November 2015 12: 44
          ... why ... exactly the same diameter and length? ... and if it’s smaller and the diameter .. and it’s long ... then .... already what ... is not critical? and if critical ... then for whom?

          PS Germany at 45 produced submarines in factories throughout the country .. far .. from the sea .... and we live far at a different technological level
          1. 0
            14 November 2015 14: 08
            You don’t understand anything at all about rocketry. Write better about the fleet, if you already started about submarines, and even German ones. By the way, the boat today is not at all what it was in the past war and it is impossible to assemble it in separate sections at any enterprise, and then.
  2. +6
    13 November 2015 07: 19
    As the saying goes - "interestingly girls dance four pieces in a row" ... what
    Accidental "leak" of secret (?) Information from a closed (!) Meeting lol , inarticulate mumble of the VGK press secretary (they say, will not happen again - feel ), now - "Ladies and gentlemen! For the first time in the arena -" Rubezh " fellow ".
    And laughter, and sin ... wassat What am I doing? And to the fact that if earlier the information war was more or less hidden from our eyes and ears, now no one really disdains the official media. I don’t want to say that all this fuss is intended to "sell misinformation to partners", but - what if? what Only verification will take force-time-money - Mama Do not Cry! belay
    One more point, if you will. Why are some submarines and something similar to a torpedo missile drawn on that picture that "leaked" from the meeting (then, what does the Strategic Missile Forces have to do with it)? What, in the RF Armed Forces, only strike weapons need to be changed? And what about combat control and communication systems? But here's an incident: how to display the project of a new ASBU in a figure so that the "foe" would immediately understand - this is a new ASBU fool . IMHO. hi
    Conclusion: dear fellow citizens! Be carefull! no one for you will filter the information rubbish, with the help of which the players from geopolitics make each other "byaka". I wish you health and prosperity! drinks
  3. +3
    13 November 2015 08: 08
    Quote: RU-Officer
    Conclusion: dear fellow citizens! Be carefull! no one for you will filter the information rubbish, with the help of which the players from geopolitics make each other "byaka".

    You are right, you need to filter. And then each such stuffing causes another surge of lulling.
    If specifically for the above complexes, then they have been known for a long time. About "Frontier" (then "Vanguard") was first heard from the bad memory of Serdyukov. They also write a lot and different things about "Sarmat", especially at the suggestion of Deputy Minister Yuri Borisov. Sometimes he will say that his ears fade.
    Well, about the new ASBU - it really cannot be depicted in the picture, so there is only an oral stuffing.

    About 36 missiles that get 4 regiments
    Currently, mass production and delivery of the newest missile systems to the troops continues. V. Putin once again said that during 2015, the Strategic Missile Forces should receive four regiments with the most modern missiles. This information was repeatedly voiced previously by various officials and has now again received confirmation. The president did not specify the type of new complexes, however, most likely, they talked about PC-24 "Yars" systems. Available information on the structure of the rocket forces suggests that they will receive the latest 36 systems for the current year.


    4 regiments, it would certainly be good, but I'm afraid that they will receive much less. Over the past decades, it has not been such that 4 regiments were put into service annually. Most likely, one or two divisions with new missiles will be delivered in four regiments. Moreover, there are applicants for new complexes
    1. +2
      13 November 2015 08: 58
      Yes, there would be a desire ....
      Look, how many air defense systems / air defense systems did they deliver? Just 4 regiments. We’ve spread it all over the country, but 4 regiments. It will be the same with rackets. They will say what is needed - they will hurt themselves, but they will ....
      There would be a team ....
    2. +16
      13 November 2015 09: 51
      Quote: Old26
      4 regiments, it would certainly be good, but I'm afraid that they will receive much less. Over the past decades, it has not been such that 4 regiments were put into service annually. Most likely, one or two divisions with new missiles will be delivered in four regiments. Moreover, there are applicants for new complexes



      There will be 4 regiments, now many branches and firms work in three shifts in production, though they don’t increase their salaries, referring to the crisis, in the summer they frightened them in some places, and now, on the contrary, there aren’t enough people .. such things. If you take the picture of the latest strike weapons that goes into the series / cruise missiles. High-precision ammunition, OTRK, etc. / they are still not enough to conduct full-fledged military operations with the enemy, the Americans have only an order of magnitude more ...
      As for the RS-26 Rubezh, it would be more correct to call it YARS-M so it will be clearer and easier ... And if you really dig deeper, the project was developed on the basis of developments on the 15Zh59 Kurier ICBM missile, which Gorbachev once closed.
      The difference from the YaRS is an elongated housing with a modified configuration to accommodate the RFH IN / Skok smile BB Won't Tell. The long-standing dream of Yu.Solomonov to be equipped with his own engines, ensuring the maneuvering of the RGCh IN in direction and speed after separation from the carrier, was realized in this project.
      Nothing is said about the Barguzin BZHRK ... the preliminary design has already been completed ... In principle, this is the same YARS-M / Rubezh / in the railway version ... A small-sized rocket weighing less than 50 tons and about 23 m long with a MIRV of the latest development ... According to the plan, it should get back on track in 2019.
      Well, the UR-100 will receive a new military equipment, revealed in the media as project 4022 in the near future ...
      1. 0
        13 November 2015 10: 14
        UR 100 in the 20s will also be removed from service as Poplars, and with the maneuvering warheads 4022 will be equipped with all new ICBMs.
        1. +4
          13 November 2015 12: 18
          Quote: Vadim237
          UR 100 in the 20s, too, will be removed from service as Poplars, and with the maneuvering warheads 4022 will be equipped with all new ICBMs

          They won’t be removed, they will leave about the 30th issue of 90 for a new military equipment until Sarmat is brought to mind
      2. -1
        13 November 2015 11: 24
        I don’t know who works there in 3 shifts, but from my bell tower I can say that the attitude of colleagues from various enterprises that I see towards the implementation of the Yars-series projects leaves me much to be desired. Not to mention the fact that the terms announced in the article seem to me simply fantastic.
        1. +9
          13 November 2015 12: 25
          Timing ... Vottkins has long reached the threshold of 40, and MORE per year, this is all including Iskander. 4shelf is 36PU so nothing fantastic. The problems with the expansion of the TRV they are in three shifts and work together with some subcontractors. Diamond Antey with commissioning of FULLY two factories generally out of competition
          1. 0
            14 November 2015 23: 55
            Ugh Ugh - God forbid cope

            and then because of the collapse. A bad situation arose when the main part of the Strategic Missile Forces’s heads on old missiles - but whether there are still any concerns about making new ones. At the same time, the enemy begins initiatives with missile defense

            All this is a threat to stability and the "nuclear world". And China has not yet developed a potential for nuclear deterrence - we are all still dependent on the legacy of the USSR
      3. +1
        13 November 2015 18: 53
        As for the RS-26 Frontier, it’s more correct to call it YRS-M
        And even more correct is "Poplar M M M". laughing
        1. 0
          22 January 2016 23: 38
          Quote: Katernik
          As for the RS-26 Frontier, it’s more correct to call it YRS-M
          And even more correct is "Poplar M M M". laughing


          And again, the weight is 47 tons! Constancy is the lot of the strong! winked
      4. 0
        22 January 2016 23: 35
        The difference from the YaRS is an elongated housing with a modified configuration to accommodate the RFG IN / skok smile BB I will not say /. The long-standing dream of Yu.Solomonov to be equipped with his own engines, ensuring the maneuvering of the RGCh IN in direction and speed after separation from the carrier, was realized in this project.

        And we already know: 4! drinks
  4. +3
    13 November 2015 08: 09
    All articles on the development of strategic missile forces sin in a one-sided way. Even the article by Kirill Ryabov, the author whom I always read with great interest. hi
    And the essence of one-sidedness is that the rocket is, of course, the main thing, but not everything. Talking about the complex, they talk about the missile, but not a word about the means of command and control and communications and other infrastructure elements. But there are no less questions, if not more. On fig "archer" "bathyscaphe"? What equipment is compared to a unicorn, i.e. everyone knows what it is, but no one has seen it and so on. It would be extremely interesting to read.
    1. +2
      13 November 2015 09: 56
      Quote: colonel
      Talking about the complex they are talking about a rocket, but not a word about the means of combat control and communications and other elements of infrastructure.


      Greetings, Valery! According to SBUS, everything is so classified that it’s better not to develop this topic ... The only thing that can be said is that the Strategic Missile Forces are switching to the fifth generation ASBU ... Honestly, I really do not know what's new in the signalmen and ASU-shnikov in the army, but what is known classified ...
      1. +1
        13 November 2015 10: 16
        Quote: Ascetic
        The only thing that can be said is that the Strategic Missile Forces are switching to the fifth generation ASBU ...

        It would be more correct to say: trying to cross. For "One ... uh ... stingray" (let's not rattle the name in vain) with the largest number, alas, has not yet been delivered where it should have been ...
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      3. gjv
        +1
        13 November 2015 12: 39
        Quote: Ascetic
        Honestly, I really don’t really know what's new among signalmen and automated control systems in the army, but what is known is classified ...

        For 2014-2015 for the Strategic Missile Forces delivered:
        15E1846 - modernized mobile workshop for maintenance and repair of communication cables "Krivoship" - 10 machines (6-02, 4-01) for 167 rubles;
        15E1835 - a set of technical means for controlling the unmasking signs of radio electronic devices and for combating thrown jamming transmitters in the Bussol radio station - 32 sets for 17 835 857,92 rubles;
        Antenna-feeder and receiving devices of the HF range: 15E1858 - protected anti-jamming antennas of constant readiness KP PR rd with RK stationary base "Gorietz" - 14 sets, 15E1868-4.2-1 - symmetrical feeder path - 10 sets, 15E1837 - antenna-equipment complex receiving main radio communication with emitting structures of a traveling wave "Brus-1" - 1 set, 15E1838 - an antenna-equipment complex receiving main radio communication based on a phased antenna array "Brus-2" - 1 set, 15E1377 - antenna-mast receiving device - transmitting rapidly deployable "Petal-2" - 2 sets. - only 206 394 440,42 rubles;
        Communications and automated control systems of the Strategic Missile Forces "Appeal" (according to the list approved by the Ministry of Defense of Russia), 15E1847 - a complex of digital network facilities with switching channels of the Strategic Missile Forces combat missile system with an automated combat control system "Signal-A1" Donbasets "- 4 sets for 142 084 466,66 , XNUMX rubles;
        Communication means and automated control system of the Strategic Missile Forces "Appeal": 15E1347 - electronic automatic telephone exchange for intercom "Zaboy-U" - 3 sets, 15E1347-P - operational dispatching station - 2 sets, 15E1347-P-64OM - a complex of warning systems - 2 sets - only 24 517 462,18 rubles;
        Communication facilities and ACS of the Strategic Missile Forces "Appeal": 15E1868 - a modernized specialized antenna-equipment complex for main radio communication for stationary communication centers of the Strategic Missile Forces "Reshka" - 1 set. by 273 466 556,96 rubles.
        In total, work was done in this direction for 831 629 333,76 rubles. bully
        Open Source Information - State procurement portal. hi
      4. 0
        13 November 2015 13: 09
        Stanislav, I wish you health. I had the opportunity to talk with the trades that are launched by these same "archers" in our division. Naturally, you can't put it here, but the picture is less rosy than with DBK. Yes, and again, what was the DBK stuffed with? Below is a curious comment from a respected gjv, in which everything is cool, except for the number of delivered kits, but if you count, we can conclude that only some kind of "Bussol" reached the fourth link and no more. I remember when during the check we were crushed in space and the "Keychain" and the HF range (on Vybor) Shurik's numbers had to be written on a matchbox, and the rockets were already at that time.
        1. +1
          13 November 2015 17: 16
          Quote: colonel
          Stanislav, I wish you health. I had the opportunity to communicate with the trades that are launched by these same "archers" in our division. Naturally, you can't put it here, but the picture is less rosy than with DBK.

          Valera. We have more opportunities. They say that they will finish it next year. He was invited to the 30th anniversary of the unit last year. They sit tight on Yars. Something new in terms of SBUS showed especially 7-link finalized .... broadband Wi-Fi in one word.
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    2. +2
      14 November 2015 01: 06
      Quote: colonel
      a rocket is, of course, the main thing, but not all.

      The rocket is a means of delivering BB to the area of ​​their deployment. With the advent of the SM-3, and later the Mk-6, the question of the accelerating section of the trajectory (OUT) arose. It should be no more than 3 minutes, otherwise the missile defense missile will catch up. Only solid propellant motors can provide such an OUT. Our heavy ICBMs are all LPRE. Yes, they take out up to 5-8t PN, but they will have to be "hidden" in Siberia, made orbital ... The northern direction is covered.
      A dilemma arises: which is better? "drop shot" or "dump truck" with gifts from space?
      Well, then it's up to the striking elements (BB), which should, after the end of the OUT, still on the ascending branch of the trajectory, "divorce" and independently (ID) follow their addresses (aiming points). And again the problems: correction, maneuvering before entering the dense layers of the atmosphere, a plasma cocoon as an antenna, deflecting socks and skirts, not to collapse from thermodynamic loads ... The operation of the BB electronics ...
      But the most incredible thing is (like!) All these problems were solved by our Kulibins! That's what the striped "concern" is from. Well, MSU does not work in this situation! (not "universal", but "instant global strike") Now the problem is production capacity! the rate of rearmament, the percentage of new products in units (troops). And they constantly provoke us into a big fight, undermine the financial and economic system, bring confusion to society. In short, a hybrid war, Sudari is our immediate reality. And 2018 is the election of the President of the country ... That's when evil spirits of all stripes will creep into the world, no matter how it pushes the Yankees to the unreasonable.
      So, it’s correct that the military-industrial complex works in 3 shifts. (And who is easy now?) IMHO.
      1. 0
        22 January 2016 23: 45
        Well, then it's up to the striking elements (BB), which should, after the end of the OUT, still on the ascending branch of the trajectory, "divorce" and independently (ID) follow their addresses (aiming points). And again the problems: correction, maneuvering before entering the dense layers of the atmosphere, a plasma cocoon as an antenna, deflecting socks and skirts, not to collapse from thermodynamic loads ... The operation of the BB electronics ...
        But the most incredible thing is (like!) All these problems were solved by our Kulibins! That's what the striped "concern" is from. Well, MSU does not work in this situation! (not "universal", but "instant global strike").


        On Sineva-Liner another principle is implemented: there the BS carries blocks along any trajectory ...bully
  5. +4
    13 November 2015 08: 15
    Quote: colonel
    But the essence of one-sidedness is that a rocket is, of course, the main thing, but not all. Talking about the complex they are talking about a rocket, but not a word about the means of combat control and communications and other elements of infrastructure.

    Dear Valery, this topic is often bypassed. And to be honest, they are doing the right thing. There is no need for us to know how, for example, "C .....- A" equipment differs from "C ......- M". This is the same situation that they say - "you know the less, you sleep better." An example is the same "Perimeter". Well, we know that it exists - and thank God. We also know the maximum about which rocket is used there, and what else is included and how it works - so inadvertently you can invade the area covered by the vultures ...
    1. 0
      13 November 2015 08: 43
      ...- so inadvertently you can invade the area covered by vultures ...

      That's it, dear "Old26". good + + + + +
      And in the ass - ata ... feel Well, even if years on 10 ... belay
    2. 0
      13 November 2015 09: 30
      I agree, just blurt out about "one-sidedness" in order to "read it interestingly." Surely the control system has been developed
      1. 0
        13 November 2015 20: 06
        Quote: Pathfinder
        just blurt out about "one-sidedness" in order to "read it interestingly."

        You see, sir, I have been sitting on this issue (SBUS) for almost three decades and am able to lay down a picture without composing the technical specifications of the equipment. I also know that in our country, management issues are often paid much less attention than iron, and this is tested on my own hump. If you took my words about one-sidedness as a desire to paint, then God will judge you.
    3. 0
      13 November 2015 20: 38
      Quote: Old26
      than, for example, the equipment "C .....- A" differs from "C ......- M".

      I will not reveal a big secret if I say that "S ...- M" had "freedom of speech" only in the presence of a CPU (digital transmission). Remember what it is? And from link to link "C .....-A" it was possible to transfer poetry, or obscenities without moderation. What have I revealed? Nothing, but he said about the possibility of the equipment, within reasonable limits.
  6. 0
    13 November 2015 09: 03
    Quote: Bugor
    Yes, there would be a desire ....
    Look, how many air defense systems / air defense systems did they deliver? Just 4 regiments. We’ve spread it all over the country, but 4 regiments. It will be the same with rackets. They will say what is needed - they will hurt themselves, but they will ....
    There would be a team ....

    Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can make about 50 products and no more in a year. Including here also sea missiles. Team-by-team, and do not forget about the economic factor, as well as the fact that the plant is not rubber and also one
    1. 0
      13 November 2015 09: 38
      Old26
      Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can do about 50 in a year


      ..... well, this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 product per month in one shift ... And how many will be produced by 10 workshops, with equipment "I" , in three shifts? Hence, no one will tell you: how many workshops work, and what their performance is, even if your question is read ... who owns this information ... but from the one who does not ... you can hear ... anything .. . up to the number of S-500 in Novorossiya ... and the number of Abrams in the ruins No.
      1. +2
        13 November 2015 18: 42
        Quote: EGOrkka
        Old26
        Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can do about 50 in a year


        ..... well, this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 product per month in one shift ... And how many will be produced by 10 workshops, with equipment "I" , in three shifts?


        Will Tajiks collect rockets?
        When you turn on your head and think that for three shifts - in simplified terms you need 3 times more skilled workers, and not only assemblers, but also galvanic, welders and turners - almost all.
        Votkinsk - we have the promised land in which you can find so many free skilled workers at the click of a finger or on command?
        What did they do before then? when did the plant work in one shift?
        Are you familiar with the concept of production? At least some were at the factory?
        This is not a cartoon about the same with the casket, and not Starcraft with its 30 second release of working robots.
        Ага.
        3 times more work for allies should be - do not forget about them too!

        Think Think More!
        Maths ...
  7. 0
    13 November 2015 09: 12
    We launch three missiles, on the first EW means against air defense means, on another nuclear charge or a capsule with teddy bears (depending on the desired result), and the third one flies along an intricate path, but all three fly along one target. Here, no means will help the enemies.
  8. 0
    13 November 2015 10: 08
    The issue of the need for heavy missiles is becoming not so important already. The accuracy of warheads is growing and sending a lot of them to the enemy is no longer necessary. In the USA, they didn’t make such missiles. They achieved good accuracy in the late 70s. As far as it is known from the press, Poplar and Yars have impressive accuracy.
    1. +1
      13 November 2015 10: 22
      In the USA, such missiles were made - MX.
      Here, it’s not only exactly the point - the combat stability of the entire system, too.
    2. 0
      22 January 2016 23: 49
      Quote: Zaurbek
      The issue of the need for heavy missiles is becoming not so important already. The accuracy of warheads is growing and sending a lot of them to the enemy is no longer necessary. In the USA, they didn’t make such missiles. They achieved good accuracy in the late 70s. As far as it is known from the press, Poplar and Yars have impressive accuracy.



      Well, well, however, analysts don’t think so. The accuracy of our missiles is not inferior to Amerov’s .. here’s only Poplar - one head, Yars-three ... It will not be enough!
  9. -4
    13 November 2015 12: 50
    Now the main thing is not to stop, forward, and only forward, but without rumors and other accelerators ...
  10. +2
    13 November 2015 14: 12
    Quote: EGOrkka
    ..... well, this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 product per month in one shift ... And how many will be produced by 10 workshops, with equipment "I" , in three shifts? Hence, no one will tell you: how many workshops work, and what their performance is, even if your question is read ... who owns this information ... but from the one who does not ... you can hear ... anything .. . up to the number of S-500 in Novorossiya ... and the number of Abrams in the ruins

    You yourself know very well that this is not simple mathematics. Workshops in the amount of 10 just by a wave of a magic wand does not work. And a huge number of subcontractors. And if one of the subcontractors produces 20-25 units. of devices "XXX" per year, then it will not be possible to increase the output to such a quantity to enable 10 workshops "Ya" to work in three shifts at once. Since he also has subcontractors. Such a colossus unwinds gradually. Over the course of several years, we have increased the output from 36-38 items to EMNIP 54 - good. But these products include everything. And "Bulava", and "Yars" and the same "Yars-M" ("Rubezh"). Therefore, based on the statistics of several years, the maximum that was possible (last year, EMNIP put a regiment in the other two in the division ...

    Quote: Gloomy Hedgehog
    We launch three missiles, on the first EW means against air defense means, on another nuclear charge or a capsule with teddy bears (depending on the desired result), and the third one flies along an intricate path, but all three fly along one target. Here, no means will help the enemies.

    And what will be the effect of a rocket with No. 1 (without electronic warfare it’s completely impossible, how can it be shoved) ???
    But the third ... The trajectory will be so complicated, so complicated that the rocket in the end will not know where to fly .... laughing

    You, dear Stanislav, have two points of contradiction. You write
    Quote: Ascetic
    The difference from the YaRS is an elongated housing with a modified configuration to accommodate the RFG IN

    и
    Quote: Ascetic
    Nothing is said about the Barguzin BZHRK ... the preliminary design has already been completed ... In principle, this is the same YARS-M / Rubezh / in the railway version ... A small-sized rocket weighing less than 50 tons and a length of about 23 m

    The "Yars" itself is about 23 meters long. If "Yars-M" has an elongated body compared to "Yars", then it will not fit into the carriage. Or again there will be such a carriage that it itself will become a revealing factor
    1. 0
      13 November 2015 17: 14
      Old26
      You yourself are well aware that this is not simple math.


      ...... you are right and wrong at the same time ... but if we take into account development .... in time .... and means, then ultimately ... again, mathematics (not without elements of organization ...) hi
  11. -1
    13 November 2015 16: 05
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  12. 0
    13 November 2015 17: 32
    Quote: Bugor
    Yes, there would be a desire ....
    Look, how many air defense systems / air defense systems did they deliver? Just 4 regiments. We’ve spread it all over the country, but 4 regiments. It will be the same with rackets. They will say what is needed - they will hurt themselves, but they will ....
    There would be a team ....

    From the fact that "smeared" missiles will not shoot worse. Another thing is unpleasant - different-caliber equipment in one compound. I served in the "OS" (mine launchers), so in the division in 10 regiments on the base there were 5 different complexes. Even if you do not take into account the difficulties with the preparation and movement of specialists, this is a big headache when carrying out maintenance and troubleshooting. Plus a significant increase in logistics costs and various auxiliary testing equipment, tools, fixtures, etc.
  13. +2
    13 November 2015 17: 51
    ICBM SARMAT and RUBEZH is one of the means that in the near future will "contain" the foe ... But the Americans for the next and subsequent years have laid down the modernization of their nuclear arsenal. And therefore, as well as the production and delivery of the new ICBMs themselves, it would be necessary to accelerate in the production of new air defense systems such as the S-500, as well as an increase in the satellite constellation of tracking and monitoring ...
  14. 0
    13 November 2015 18: 04
    Quote: trantor
    I served in the "OS" (mine launchers), so in the division in 10 regiments on the base there were 5 different complexes.

    EMNIP RD with the number of regiments in the Union was not so much. And honestly, I don’t remember that there were more than 2, maximum 3 complexes. Do not tell the division in time?
    1. 0
      13 November 2015 18: 45
      80-98, Clear, Orenburg
      1. 0
        13 November 2015 18: 55
        smile No, of course, not all 18 years of 5 complexes stood, but the period of 4-5 years was when Satan was set: 3 types of command posts and 5 types of missiles. We still laughed that in the states there are 3 complexes for all strategic nuclear forces, and we have 5 in one compound.
        1. 0
          13 November 2015 19: 03
          In general, this is a mess. A similar picture at that time with SSBNs was: 4-8-12-16-24 PU. But all this somehow still worked :)
      2. 0
        14 November 2015 14: 38
        I served in Yasnoye in 1978. The division had a maximum of three complexes, one of which was undergoing rearmament on the "Satan". The regiments were removed from duty and went for retraining to Baikonur.
  15. 0
    13 November 2015 18: 57
    Valery! One more question. Which 5 could be simultaneously in the 13th? From the 74th, the replacement of the R-36 with the R-36M began. The R-36M2 began to be installed in 1988. I understand that for 1992 you could have 3 complexes in the division at once, the 14th, 18th and 18M. While the 67th product was being replaced by the 14th, there could again be 2, well, a maximum of 3 complexes. Do not enlighten what 5 ???
  16. 0
    13 November 2015 19: 19
    Quote: Ascetic
    And if you really dig deeper, then the project was developed on the basis of developments on the 15Zh59 ICBM "Courier" missile, which Gorbachev once closed.

    Quote: Ascetic
    In principle, this is the same YaRS-M / Rubezh / railway version ... Small-sized missile weighing less than 50 tons and a length of about 23 m

    Dear Ascetic, something does not fit. The courier weighed less than 20 tons. Which one of it can be a Yars weighing 50 tons? How was it necessary to "develop"?
    And the definition of "small-sized" is hardly suitable for a product with a length of 23 meters. This length had 15Ж61 weighing more than 100 tons. And if a 50-ton product is "stretched" to 23 meters, this is not good. They approached the design of charges and the choice of the rate of combustion of the fuel very casually.
    In general, the roots and history of the development of the Frontier are not quite clear.
  17. +1
    13 November 2015 19: 33
    Quote: trantor
    In general, this is a mess. A similar picture at that time with SSBNs was: 4-8-12-16-24 PU.

    Alas, you are wrong. We had SSBNs with only 3 SLBMs - project 658), with 6 SLBMs - Project 701 (experimental), 12 SLBMs - Project 667B, 16 SLBMs - Project 667A / BD / BDR / BDRM and finally 20 - on SSBNs of project 941
  18. 0
    13 November 2015 20: 03
    Quote: CERHJ
    It seems like in the fall they finally launched the long-awaited Tundra. These are satellites of the Early Warning of the Rocket Nuclear Strike. It seems even two at once. I somehow missed this information. And now they are talking as a settled matter. If anyone knows, tell me when the launch was and what. ..

    Not launched yet. It is planned to launch the Soyuz-17.11.2015-2b launch vehicle from Plesetsk on November 1, XNUMX. But he will be alone.
  19. +1
    13 November 2015 20: 14
    Most likely --- the main thing is to have enough time !!!
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  21. 0
    14 November 2015 07: 55
    Yes, we need to renew our strategic nuclear forces. So that our overseas "partners" do not have the right to open their mouths on us and think that they can humiliate us.
  22. 0
    14 November 2015 10: 56
    Quote: CERHJ
    Yes? Here are bastards. Someone here already wrote about a solved case and that two at once. And I think. Why did I miss such a message. What are they confused with? What would two at once ... Thanks for the info

    Please ... But this year we have only launched the French Galileos with Kourou. At the end of March, Nos. 7 and 8, in September - Nos. 9 and 10. From the reconnaissance missions, all were also launched one at a time. In February Bars-M in June Cobalt-M and Persona
  23. 0
    14 November 2015 12: 25
    With a kind word, I recall grandfather Beria, because it was under his leadership that the country's nuclear shield was created.
  24. 0
    14 November 2015 20: 30
    Quote: mav1971
    Quote: EGOrkka
    Old26
    Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can do about 50 in a year


    ..... well, this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 product per month in one shift ... And how many will be produced by 10 workshops, with equipment "I" , in three shifts?


    Will Tajiks collect rockets?
    When you turn on your head and think that for three shifts - in simplified terms you need 3 times more skilled workers, and not only assemblers, but also galvanic, welders and turners - almost all.
    Votkinsk - we have the promised land in which you can find so many free skilled workers at the click of a finger or on command?
    What did they do before then? when did the plant work in one shift?
    Are you familiar with the concept of production? At least some were at the factory?
    This is not a cartoon about the same with the casket, and not Starcraft with its 30 second release of working robots.
    Ага.
    3 times more work for allies should be - do not forget about them too!

    Think Think More!
    Maths ...

    In order to work in three shifts, it is not at all necessary to increase the number of employees by 3 times. It’s they’ll then, excuse me, will push and no work. Production output can be increased by increasing the number of working hours. This is a combination of jobs and the transition to a "two-shift" with the same one-shift staff. Not all work operations, even in one specialty, are performed in parallel, some are carried out strictly sequentially: and here everything depends on logistics - to separate the teams by people, by specialties, by time and space. Naturally, this works at fairly large enterprises with a full backlog of spare parts for at least the first stages of assembly (here the suppliers need to spin faster and it is undesirable to interrupt the trickle for finances) and this is not a full-fledged two-shift: the 1st shift works from 8.00 to 17.00, the second comes out from 14.00 and works until 22.00, just a part-time option, but the working time (during which the worker performs his immediate duties) grows at least 1,5 times, although for all individually it is 8 hours. Here's the math ...
    1. 0
      15 November 2015 15: 27
      Filxnumx
      In order to work in three shifts it is not at all necessary to increase the number of employees by 3 times.



      in 3 shifts is the maximum option ... and only. In principle, in such a huge country and with decentralization ... deliveries may increase ... and at times ..... hi
      1. 0
        15 November 2015 15: 37
        Quote: EGOrkka
        Filxnumx
        In order to work in three shifts it is not at all necessary to increase the number of employees by 3 times.

        in 3 shifts is the maximum option ... and only. In principle, in such a huge country and with decentralization ... deliveries may increase ... and at times ..... hi

        To cope with the order, it is sometimes advantageous to buy and install new equipment, sharpened for this order. The equipment can be maximally robotic, which means that the number of people involved in this is minimal. But this is beneficial to do with a guaranteed large order.
        In general, much depends on the customer.
  25. 0
    14 November 2015 20: 52
    Help in this matter.
    Yesterday I entered into a tough polemic with the master who is doing my repairs. As you understand, he is a patriot from "fraternal" Ukraine, who received a summons (and he does not hide it). The crux of the dispute is the presence of our regular units. His arguments were that he showed me a series of videos from YouTube, which showed the interrogation of allegedly our soldiers (in my opinion, the Pskov paratroopers who had just been caught). This video also showed the documents of these soldiers (military cards, ID). I have a question - unless soldiers go into battle take identity documents (military cards, IDs, duty logs, etc.). Especially in a war, where should they not be officially?
    Thank you in advance for your response
    1. 0
      14 November 2015 22: 00
      Quote: Legionnaire 030
      military tickets, certificates, duty logs, etc.

      And there were no evening verification lists? lol
      Follow the usual logic. If our soldiers were actually taken prisoner, and even with documents, then the whole "progressive community" would scream about this, despite Paris. And so only a staged video for You tube. Fake, as teenagers say.
      1. 0
        14 November 2015 23: 07
        There are volunteers from Russia. This is ours and do not deny it. There are no regular parts. Any evidence on this subject, sooner or later, was debunked as fakes. Even the Americans with their companions did not show themselves here (maximum, someone said quotes from the forums).
      2. 0
        15 November 2015 15: 35
        ... well, into the account ... scream ... The Parasites have no options ... scream and whine at any ... hi
  26. 0
    15 November 2015 18: 27
    Good afternoon.
    Thanks for the answer
  27. 0
    15 November 2015 20: 29
    Good evening.
    Tell me, has anyone heard about the Ukrainian film "Raid" - about the brilliant operation (supposedly the longest raid in military history) of the 95th brigade. What is this operation or again ukroSMI fiction?
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