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On modernization of the Strategic Missile Forces

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Last Wednesday, November 11, a meeting was held in the Sochi residence "Bocharov Ruchey" with the participation of leaders of the state, representatives of the Ministry of Defense and the defense industry. During this event, President Vladimir Putin made an important statement, instantly scattered in ribbons. News. The head of state urged to catch up on previous years and develop the armed forces. At the same time, however, he noted that the country should not be drawn into any arms race. The main task is to update the army, which will get rid of the consequences of previous decades of insufficient funding.


It is proposed to upgrade the armed forces and upgrade their equipment in several main areas. One of the main ones is the development of strategic rocket forces, which are the most important instrument for ensuring state security. The renewal of the Strategic Missile Forces has become one of the main topics of several recent meetings devoted to the development of the army. In this context, some features of current works were announced, and plans for the future were disclosed.

During the last meetings, V. Putin drew attention to foreign projects of anti-missile systems that may pose a threat to Russian security. According to the Russian president, the true goal of such projects being implemented by the United States and its allies is not to defend against a nuclear missile attack, but to achieve global military superiority. This imbalance of power represents a great danger, because of which Russia will be forced to take retaliatory measures.



According to the president, Russia will strengthen the potential of its strategic nuclear forces. It is planned to create missile defense systems, but at the moment the main task is to work on attack systems that can overcome any defense of a potential enemy.

Currently, mass production and delivery of the newest missile systems to the troops continues. V. Putin once again said that during 2015, the Strategic Missile Forces should receive four regiments with the most modern missiles. This information was repeatedly voiced previously by various officials and has now again received confirmation. The president did not specify the type of new complexes, however, most likely, they talked about PC-24 "Yars" systems. Available information on the structure of the rocket forces suggests that they will receive the latest 36 systems for the current year.

Certain successes have been achieved in the creation of new missile systems, which in the future will replace the existing equipment in service. Closest to the adoption of the intercontinental ballistic missile RS-26 "Frontier". It is a further development of the Topol / Yars products and has similar goals. Earlier it was claimed that the Rubezh complex in the distant future would replace the existing Topol-M and Yars missiles. However, over the next few years, complexes of all three types are likely to be used in parallel.

The development of the PC-26 project started about ten years ago at the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering. The existence of a promising project became known only a few years later, when it reached the stage of building prototypes and tests. The first launch of the test rocket took place in September of the 2011 of the year and ended in failure (according to other sources, these were successful throwing tests). Also in 2011, an alternative designation of the project appeared, which is why in different sources the complex PC-26 can be referred to as “Border” and “Avant-garde”.

To date, several test launches have been completed. Almost all launches, with the exception of the very first, ended in a successful defeat of the conventional goal. In March, 2015, the next successful launch took place, after which it was decided to start mass production of missiles with subsequent deployment in the army.

In 2014 and 2015, officials repeatedly raised the topic of the adoption of the "Boundary" in service. So, last year it was claimed that these missiles would go into service in the 2015. In the spring of this year, Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Karakayev, said that the complex will be put into service at the end of 2015, and mass production will start no later than the first months of 2016.

Works on the PC-26 “Frontier” project have entered the final stage. In the near future, the new system will be adopted by the strategic missile forces, and in the next few months the army will receive the first serial missiles. Until the end of next year, the first formations armed with new complexes will take over duty. Thus, already now the project "Frontier" can be considered successfully completed. The nomenclature of the Strategic Missile Forces will be replenished with a new type of missiles with enhanced characteristics.

PC-26 “Frontier” in the distant future will have to replace the Topol and Yars systems. In the near future, a gradual replacement of heavy-class ICBMs, such as the P-36M, etc., is planned, for which the RS-28 Sarmat missile is currently being developed. To date, some features of this promising project have become known, but most of the information is still not to be disclosed.

The creation of the Sarmat project started at the end of the last decade. The lead developer was the State Rocket Center. Makeev. In addition, some other enterprises are involved in the project, in particular, the Reutov NPO Mashinostroeniya. The aim of the project is to create a heavy liquid intercontinental ballistic missile that can replace existing samples of a similar class in the Strategic Missile Forces.

The exact requirements for the rocket remain unknown, although some approximate information was read out. For example, the former chief of the General Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces and consultant to the commander of the missile forces, Viktor Esin, mentioned that the missile weight of the new missile would reach 5 tons. Flight range has not yet revealed. At the same time, the Deputy Minister of Defense Yury Borisov last year noted that the promising ICBM could fly through the North or South Pole.

At the end of last spring, Y. Borisov also said that all work on the Sarmat project was proceeding in accordance with the schedule. In the summer of 2015, information appeared according to which the third stage of development work is currently underway. At the same time it was mentioned that the flight tests of the promising missile will begin as early as next year.

Previously, information appeared about the construction time of the first prototype of the PC-28 product. According to TASS, the first prototype of the rocket should be built by mid-autumn. In the future, it will be used in the first throwing tests, during which they will check the operation of the launcher and its systems. It was also reported that, as of the end of June, the assembly of the prototype was completed on 60%.

At the moment, it can be assumed that the tests of the Sarmat RS-28 rocket will start next year, after which it will take some time to carry out all the necessary checks and modifications. As a result, the promising ICBM will be able to go on a series and take up duty only after a few years. It has been repeatedly claimed that the Sarmat complex will go into operation by the end of the decade - in 2018-20. Taking into account the available information on the current state of the project, such deadlines look real.

At the present time, several types of complexes are in service with strategic missile forces, including those developed several decades ago, during the Soviet era. In recent years, the program of modernizing the armament of the Strategic Missile Forces has been carried out, the purpose of which is to create and put on duty new missile systems. The outcome of the current work should be a complete rejection of the use of outdated systems with the transition to new ones.

Several years ago, the development of the PC-24 “Yars” project was completed, after which a new type of missile began to receive Strategic Rocket Forces. Next year, the troops will receive the first batch of systems "Rubezh". By the end of the decade, the arsenal of rocket troops will be replenished with the Sarmat complex. Thus, by the 2020-22 years, the armaments of the strategic missile forces will form the complexes created during the last 10-15 years, which will positively affect the combat capability of the Strategic Missile Forces and the strategic security of the state.


On the materials of the sites:
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  1. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 November 2015 06: 34 New
    +6
    With the loss of Yuzhmash, the need to produce heavy missiles in Russia has become simply glaring. I look forward to good news on Sarmatia.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 13 November 2015 07: 05 New
      +1
      ...yah? and why there Yuzhmash gained this recently do not enlighten? smile
      1. Moore
        Moore 13 November 2015 07: 35 New
        +5
        Well, apparently, the question is not what Yuzhmash has gained recently (what could it have been there?), But that it has been switched off from the Russian military-industrial complex, while the need for its traditional direction of development has not only remained, but also intensified.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 13 November 2015 09: 23 New
          +5
          Moore
          , but the fact that it is turned off from the military-industrial complex of Russia


          .... yes, I asked ... A SPECIFIC QUESTION - what has Yuzhmash gained for Russia lately? ... without second thoughts ... WHAT exactly? ... and if nothing ... and then what? But for any manufacturer ..... the destruction of a competitor ... good (if without snot). In general, it’s funny to hear ... that .... it will be worse for us .... if they ... ears frostbitten .... wink
          1. chunga-changa
            chunga-changa 13 November 2015 17: 21 New
            +5
            Yuzhmash provided an extension of the operational life of the R-36 and collaborated on a conversion program.
          2. rubin6286
            rubin6286 14 November 2015 14: 01 New
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            Yuzhmash for Russia produced 15A14 and 15A18 Satan missiles, rocket engines with aggressive components, and replaced missiles with an expired warranty period. Now, instead of him, no one does. Missiles with amyl and heptyl cannot stand on duty forever. They extend the life and gradually withdraw from service. There is nothing to replace so far ......
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 14 November 2015 19: 25 New
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              Quote: rubin6286
              , rocket engines on aggressive components, ...

              Which ones ?
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 15 November 2015 15: 38 New
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                Quote: Bad_gr
                Quote: rubin6286
                , rocket engines on aggressive components, ...

                Which ones ?

                And in response - silence ....
              2. rubin6286
                rubin6286 16 November 2015 22: 37 New
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                Aggressive components are oxidizing agent - amyl (nitrogen tetroxide or nitric tetroxide), fuel - heptyl (asymmetric dimethylhydrazine). For some reason I thought everyone knew that.
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 17 November 2015 00: 02 New
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                  I'm not talking about liquid fuel components. What rocket engines on aggressive components does Ukraine produce?
                  Components of fuel for solid propellant rockets - yes, they did, they developed the rockets themselves, but I have not heard about the manufacture of engines for liquid rockets.
                  1. mahor
                    mahor 22 January 2016 23: 28 New
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                    It’s easier for you to go to Yuzhmash’s site ...
                    1. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 22 January 2016 23: 49 New
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                      Quote: mahor
                      It’s easier for you to go to Yuzhmash’s site ...

                      In my opinion, when a person speaks not an axiom, it is better to confirm your statement with a reference to the information where this opinion came from.
                      I do not dispute the merits of Yuzh.Mash, as a developer of rockets, but I did not come across information about lcd engines from him.
            2. mahor
              mahor 22 January 2016 23: 27 New
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              Quote: rubin6286
              Yuzhmash for Russia produced 15A14 and 15A18 Satan missiles, rocket engines with aggressive components, and replaced missiles with an expired warranty period. Now, instead of him, no one does. Missiles with amyl and heptyl cannot stand on duty forever. They extend the life and gradually withdraw from service. There is nothing to replace so far ......



              All maintenance work was transferred to Makeev’s GRC ...
      2. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 13 November 2015 10: 25 New
        +6
        Yuzhmash is not a design bureau to work out. He was the only heavy missile manufacturer in the Union. To create such an enterprise from scratch is not a slipper to sew. And do not tell that we already produce rockets and on this base it is easy to increase the diameter and length of the blanks.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 13 November 2015 12: 44 New
          +1
          ... why ... exactly the same diameter and length? ... and if it’s smaller and the diameter .. and it’s long ... then .... already what ... is not critical? and if critical ... then for whom?

          PS Germany at 45 produced submarines in factories throughout the country .. far .. from the sea .... and we live far at a different technological level
          1. rubin6286
            rubin6286 14 November 2015 14: 08 New
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            You don’t understand anything at all about rocketry. Write better about the fleet, if you already started about submarines, and even German ones. By the way, the boat today is not at all what it was in the past war and it is impossible to assemble it in separate sections at any enterprise, and then.
  2. RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 13 November 2015 07: 19 New
    +6
    As they say - "interesting girls dance four in a row" ... what
    Random "leak" of secret (?) Information from a closed (!) Meeting lol , inarticulate mumble of the VGK press secretary (they say, will not happen again - repeat ), now here - "ladies and gentlemen! for the first time in the arena -" Frontier "! fellow ".
    And laughter, and sin ... wassat What am I doing? And to the fact that if earlier the information war was more or less hidden from our eyes and ears, then now no one really disdains the official media. I don’t want to say that all this fuss has as its goal “to bring mischief to the partners,” but - what if? what Only verification will take force-time-money - Mama Do not Cry! belay
    Another point, if you may. Why is it that certain “submarine” and something similar to a torpedo rocket (then - and here the Strategic Missile Forces) are painted on that “leaky” picture from the meeting? What, in the RF Armed Forces, only strike weapons need to be changed? What about combat control and communications systems? But here’s the incident: how to show the design of the new ASBU in the figure so that the “adversary” would immediately understand - this is the new ASBU fool . IMHO. hi
    Conclusion: dear fellow citizens! Be carefull! no one for you will filter that infomus by which players from geopolitics make each other "byaku". I wish you health and prosperity! drinks
  3. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 08: 08 New
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    Quote: RU-Officer
    Conclusion: dear fellow citizens! Be carefull! no one for you will filter that infomus by which players from geopolitics make each other "byaku".

    You are right, you need to filter. And then each such stuffing causes another surge of lulling.
    If specifically for the above complexes, then they have been known for a long time. About "Frontier" (then "Vanguard") was first heard from the bad memory of Serdyukov. A lot of different things are also written about Sarmat, especially from the submission of Deputy Minister Yu. Borisov. Sometimes he will say that his ears fade.
    Well, about the new ASBU - it really cannot be depicted in the picture, so there is only an oral stuffing.

    About 36 missiles that get 4 regiments
    Currently, mass production and delivery of the newest missile systems to the troops continues. V. Putin once again said that during 2015, the Strategic Missile Forces should receive four regiments with the most modern missiles. This information was repeatedly voiced previously by various officials and has now again received confirmation. The president did not specify the type of new complexes, however, most likely, they talked about PC-24 "Yars" systems. Available information on the structure of the rocket forces suggests that they will receive the latest 36 systems for the current year.


    4 regiments, it would certainly be good, but I'm afraid that they will receive much less. Over the past decades, it has not been such that 4 regiments were put into service annually. Most likely, one or two divisions with new missiles will be delivered in four regiments. Moreover, there are applicants for new complexes
    1. Bugor
      Bugor 13 November 2015 08: 58 New
      +2
      Yes, there would be a desire ....
      Look, how many air defense systems / air defense systems did they deliver? Just 4 regiments. We’ve spread it all over the country, but 4 regiments. It will be the same with rackets. They will say what is needed - they will hurt themselves, but they will ....
      There would be a team ....
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 13 November 2015 09: 51 New
      +16
      Quote: Old26
      4 regiments, it would certainly be good, but I'm afraid that they will receive much less. Over the past decades, it has not been such that 4 regiments were put into service annually. Most likely, one or two divisions with new missiles will be delivered in four regiments. Moreover, there are applicants for new complexes



      There will be 4 regiments, now many branches and firms work in three shifts in production, though they don’t increase their salaries, referring to the crisis, in the summer they frightened them in some places, and now, on the contrary, there aren’t enough people .. such things. If you take the picture of the latest strike weapons that goes into the series / cruise missiles. High-precision ammunition, OTRK, etc. / they are still not enough to conduct full-fledged military operations with the enemy, the Americans have only an order of magnitude more ...
      As for the RS-26 Rubezh, it will be more correct to call it YRS-M so it will be more understandable and simpler ... But if you dig deeper, the project was developed on the basis of developments on the 15Zh59 ICBM Courier missile, which Gorbachev had closed at one time.
      The difference from the YaRS is an elongated housing with a modified configuration to accommodate the RFH IN / Skok smile BB Won't Tell. The long-standing dream of Yu.Solomonov to be equipped with his own engines, ensuring the maneuvering of the RGCh IN in direction and speed after separation from the carrier, was realized in this project.
      Nothing is said about the Barguzin BZHRK ... the preliminary design has already been completed ... In principle, this is the same YRS-M / Boundary / railway version ... Small-sized missile weighing less than 50 tons with a length of about 23 m with the latest development ... According to the plan should get on the rails in 2019.
      Well, the UR-100 will receive a new military equipment, revealed in the media as project 4022 in the near future ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 13 November 2015 10: 14 New
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        UR 100 in the 20s will also be removed from service as Poplars, and with the maneuvering warheads 4022 will be equipped with all new ICBMs.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 13 November 2015 12: 18 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadim237
          UR 100 in the 20s, too, will be removed from service as Poplars, and with the maneuvering warheads 4022 will be equipped with all new ICBMs

          They won’t be removed, they will leave about the 30th issue of 90 for a new military equipment until Sarmat is brought to mind
      2. Whatabout
        Whatabout 13 November 2015 11: 24 New
        -1
        I don’t know who works there in 3 shifts, but from my bell tower I can say that the attitude of colleagues from various enterprises that I see towards the implementation of the Yars-series projects leaves me much to be desired. Not to mention the fact that the terms announced in the article seem to me simply fantastic.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 13 November 2015 12: 25 New
          +9
          Timing ... Vottkins has long reached the threshold of 40, and MORE per year, this is all including Iskander. 4shelf is 36PU so nothing fantastic. The problems with the expansion of the TRV they are in three shifts and work together with some subcontractors. Diamond Antey with commissioning of FULLY two factories generally out of competition
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 14 November 2015 23: 55 New
            0
            Ugh Ugh - God forbid cope

            and then because of the collapse. A bad situation arose when the main part of the Strategic Missile Forces’s heads on old missiles - but whether there are still any concerns about making new ones. At the same time, the enemy begins initiatives with missile defense

            All this is a threat to stability and the nuclear world. And China has not yet developed the potential for nuclear deterrence - we all depend on the legacy of the USSR
      3. Kathernik
        Kathernik 13 November 2015 18: 53 New
        +1
        As for the RS-26 Frontier, it’s more correct to call it YRS-M
        And even more correct is "Poplar M M M". laughing
        1. mahor
          mahor 22 January 2016 23: 38 New
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          Quote: Katernik
          As for the RS-26 Frontier, it’s more correct to call it YRS-M
          And even more correct is "Poplar M M M". laughing


          And again, the weight is 47 tons! Constancy is the lot of the strong! winked
      4. mahor
        mahor 22 January 2016 23: 35 New
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        The difference from the YaRS is an elongated housing with a modified configuration to accommodate the RFG IN / skok smile BB I will not say /. The long-standing dream of Yu.Solomonov to be equipped with his own engines, ensuring the maneuvering of the RGCh IN in direction and speed after separation from the carrier, was realized in this project.

        And we already know: 4! drinks
  4. Colonel
    Colonel 13 November 2015 08: 09 New
    +3
    All articles on the development of strategic missile forces sin in a one-sided way. Even the article by Kirill Ryabov, the author whom I always read with great interest. hi
    But the essence of one-sidedness is that a rocket is, of course, the main thing, but not all. Talking about the complex they are talking about a rocket, but not a word about the means of combat control and communications and other elements of infrastructure. But there are no less questions, if not more. On figs "archer" "bathyscaphe"? What equipment is compared with a unicorn, i.e. everyone knows what it is, but no one has seen it, and so on. It would be extremely interesting to read.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 13 November 2015 09: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: colonel
      Talking about the complex they are talking about a rocket, but not a word about the means of combat control and communications and other elements of infrastructure.


      Greetings, Valery! According to SBUS, everything is so classified that it’s better not to develop this topic ... The only thing that can be said is that the Strategic Missile Forces are switching to the fifth generation ASBU ... Honestly, I really do not know what's new in the signalmen and ASU-shnikov in the army, but what is known classified ...
      1. Moore
        Moore 13 November 2015 10: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        The only thing that can be said is that the Strategic Missile Forces are switching to the fifth generation ASBU ...

        It’s more correct to say: they are trying to move. For "Once ... uh ... stingray" (we will not rub the name in vain) with the highest number, alas, we have not yet set where it was supposed to ...
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      3. gjv
        gjv 13 November 2015 12: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Honestly, I really don’t really know what's new among signalmen and automated control systems in the army, but what is known is classified ...

        For 2014-2015 for the Strategic Missile Forces delivered:
        15E1846 - a modernized mobile workshop for maintenance and repair of communication cables “Crank” - 10 machines (6 -02, 4 -01) for 167 330 549,62 rubles;
        15E1835 - a set of technical means of monitoring the unmasking signs of radio electronic equipment and the control of abandoned jamming transmitters in the PR of Busol - 32 sets for 17 rubles;
        Antenna feeder and receiving devices of the HF range: 15E1858 - shielded, noiseless antennas of constant readiness KP PR RD with stationary Gorietz RC - 14 sets, 15E1868-4.2-1 - symmetrical feeder path - 10 sets, 15E1837 - antenna-hardware complex receiving radio communication trunk with radiating structures of the traveling wave "Brus-1" - 1 set, 15E1838 - a complex antenna-receiving radio communication mainline radio communication based on the phased antenna array "Brus-2" - 1 set, 15E1377 - antenna-mast receiving device Transmitting quick-set "Petal-2" - 2 sets. - totaling 206 rubles;
        Communications and automated control systems of the Strategic Missile Forces "Appeal" (according to the list approved by the Russian Ministry of Defense), 15E1847 - a set of digital network tools with switching channels of the Strategic Missile Forces missile system with the Donbasets automated signal control system - 1 sets for 4 142 084 , 466,66 rubles;
        Communication facilities and automated control system of the Strategic Missile Forces “Vozvoznie”: 15E1347 - electronic automatic telephone exchange for internal communication Zaboy-U - 3 sets, 15E1347-P - station for operational dispatch communication - 2 sets, 15E1347-P-64OM - warning system complex - 2 sets - a total of 24 517 462,18 rubles;
        Communication facilities and ACS of the Strategic Missile Forces "Appeal": 15E1868 - modernized specialized antenna-hardware complex of the main radio communication for fixed communications centers of the Strategic Missile Forces "Reshka" - 1 set. 273 rubles.
        A total of 831 rubles was done in this direction. bully
        Open Source Information - State procurement portal. hi
      4. Colonel
        Colonel 13 November 2015 13: 09 New
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        Stanislav, I wish you good health. I had the opportunity to communicate with the crafts that launch these same "archers" in our division. Naturally, you won’t put it here, but the picture is less rosy than with DBK. Yes, and again, what did DBK begin with? The following is a curious comment by the respected gjv, in which everything is great, except for the number of sets delivered, but if you count, then we can conclude that only some “Busol” has reached the fourth link and no more. I remember when at the test we were crushed both space and the “Keychain” and HF range (on the Choice), the numbers of the shurik had to be written on a match box, and after all the rockets were already hoo.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 13 November 2015 17: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: colonel
          Stanislav, I wish you good health. I had the opportunity to communicate with the crafts that launch these same "archers" in our division. Naturally, you won’t put it here, but the picture is less rosy than with DBK.

          Valera. We have more opportunities. They say that they will finish it next year. He was invited to the 30th anniversary of the unit last year. They sit tight on Yars. Something new in terms of SBUS showed especially 7-link finalized .... broadband Wi-Fi in one word.
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    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 14 November 2015 01: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: colonel
      a rocket is, of course, the main thing, but not all.

      A missile is a means of delivering BBs to the area of ​​their breeding. With the advent of SM-3, and subsequently MK-6, the question of the accelerated section of the trajectory (AUT) was sharply raised. It should be no more than 3 minutes, otherwise the missile defense will catch up. Only a solid propellant rocket motor can provide such an outfit. Our heavy ICBMs are all with rocket engines. Yes, they take out up to 5-8 tons of cargo, but they will have to “hide” them in Siberia, make them orbital ... The northern direction is covered.
      There is a dilemma: which is better? "drop shot" or "dump truck" with gifts from space?
      Well, and then it’s up to the striking elements (BB), which should after the end of the ATC, still on the ascending branch of the trajectory, "divorce" and independently (ID) follow their addresses (aiming points). And again, the problems: correction, maneuvering before entering the dense layers of the atmosphere, a plasma cocoon like an antenna, deviating socks and skirts, do not collapse from thermodynamic loads ... The work of the BB electronics ...
      But the most incredible thing is (it seems!) All our problems solved our Kulibins! That’s what the “concern” of the striped. Well, it doesn’t work in this situation at Moscow State University! (not a “university”, but an “instant global hit.”) Now the problem is production capacity! rate of rearmament, percentage of new products in units (in troops). And they always provoke us into a big fight, undermine the financial and economic system, and bring confusion to society. In short - a hybrid war, monsieur - our closest reality. And 2018 is the election of the President of the country ... That's when the evil spirits of all stripes come into the world, no matter how it pushed the Yankees with the unreasonable.
      So, it’s correct that the military-industrial complex works in 3 shifts. (And who is easy now?) IMHO.
      1. mahor
        mahor 22 January 2016 23: 45 New
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        Well, and then it’s up to the striking elements (BB), which should after the end of the ATC, still on the ascending branch of the trajectory, "divorce" and independently (ID) follow their addresses (aiming points). And again, the problems: correction, maneuvering before entering the dense layers of the atmosphere, a plasma cocoon like an antenna, deviating socks and skirts, do not collapse from thermodynamic loads ... The work of the BB electronics ...
        But the most incredible thing is (it seems!) All our problems solved our Kulibins! That’s what the “concern” of the striped. Well, it doesn’t work in this situation at Moscow State University! (not a "university", but an "instant global hit").


        On Sineva-Liner another principle is implemented: there the BS carries blocks along any trajectory ...bully
  5. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 08: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: colonel
    But the essence of one-sidedness is that a rocket is, of course, the main thing, but not all. Talking about the complex they are talking about a rocket, but not a word about the means of combat control and communications and other elements of infrastructure.

    This topic, respected Valery, is often bypassed. And to be honest, they do it right. We do not need to know how, for example, the equipment "S .....- A" differs from "S ......- M". This is the very situation they are talking about - "you know less, sleep better." An example is the same "Perimeter". Well, we know what exists - and thank God. We also know the maximum about which rocket is used there, and what else comes in and how it works - so inadvertently you can invade the area covered by vultures ...
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 13 November 2015 08: 43 New
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      ...- so inadvertently you can invade the area covered by vultures ...

      That's it, dear "Old26". good + + + + +
      And in the ass - ata ... repeat Well, even if years on 10 ... belay
    2. tracker
      tracker 13 November 2015 09: 30 New
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      I agree, just blurt out about the "one-sided" in order to "interesting to read." Surely and the control system is developed
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 13 November 2015 20: 06 New
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        Quote: Pathfinder
        just blurt out about the "one-sided" in order to "interesting to read."

        You see, sir, I have been sitting on this issue (SBUS) for almost three decades and am able to lay down a picture without composing the technical specifications of the equipment. I also know that in our country, management issues are often paid much less attention than iron, and this is tested on my own hump. If you took my words about one-sidedness as a desire to paint, then God will judge you.
    3. Colonel
      Colonel 13 November 2015 20: 38 New
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      Quote: Old26
      than for example the equipment "C .....- A" differs from "C ......- M".

      I will not reveal great secrets if I say that “S ...- M” had “freedom of speech” only in the presence of a CPU (digital transmission). Remember what is it? And from link to link "C .....- A" it was possible to transmit verses, or mats without moderation. What did I reveal? Nothing, but said about the feasibility of the equipment, to a reasonable extent.
  6. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 09: 03 New
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    Quote: Bugor
    Yes, there would be a desire ....
    Look, how many air defense systems / air defense systems did they deliver? Just 4 regiments. We’ve spread it all over the country, but 4 regiments. It will be the same with rackets. They will say what is needed - they will hurt themselves, but they will ....
    There would be a team ....

    Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can make about 50 products and no more in a year. Including here also sea missiles. Team-by-team, and do not forget about the economic factor, as well as the fact that the plant is not rubber and also one
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 13 November 2015 09: 38 New
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      Old26
      Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can do about 50 in a year


      ..... well this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 product per month in one shift ... And how many 10 workshops will be produced, with equipment "I" in three shifts? From here, no one will tell you: how many workshops work, and what their productivity is, even if your question is read ... owning this information .... but from not owning ... you can hear ... anything .. . up to the number of S-500 in Novorossia ... and the number of abrams in ruin no
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 13 November 2015 18: 42 New
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        Quote: EGOrkka
        Old26
        Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can do about 50 in a year


        ..... well this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 products per month in one shift ... And how many shops will work 10, with equipment "I" in three shifts?


        Will Tajiks collect rockets?
        When you turn on your head and think that for three shifts - in simplified terms you need 3 times more skilled workers, and not only assemblers, but also galvanic, welders and turners - almost all.
        Votkinsk - we have the promised land in which you can find so many free skilled workers at the click of a finger or on command?
        What did they do before then? when did the plant work in one shift?
        Are you familiar with the concept of production? At least some were at the factory?
        This is not a cartoon about the same with the casket, and not Starcraft with its 30 second release of working robots.
        Ага.
        3 times more work for allies should be - do not forget about them too!

        Think Think More!
        Maths ...
  7. Gloomy Hedgehog
    Gloomy Hedgehog 13 November 2015 09: 12 New
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    We launch three missiles, on the first EW means against air defense means, on another nuclear charge or a capsule with teddy bears (depending on the desired result), and the third one flies along an intricate path, but all three fly along one target. Here, no means will help the enemies.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 13 November 2015 10: 08 New
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    The issue of the need for heavy missiles is becoming not so important already. The accuracy of warheads is growing and sending a lot of them to the enemy is no longer necessary. In the USA, they didn’t make such missiles. They achieved good accuracy in the late 70s. As far as it is known from the press, Poplar and Yars have impressive accuracy.
    1. Moore
      Moore 13 November 2015 10: 22 New
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      In the USA, such missiles were made - MX.
      Here, it’s not only exactly the point - the combat stability of the entire system, too.
    2. mahor
      mahor 22 January 2016 23: 49 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      The issue of the need for heavy missiles is becoming not so important already. The accuracy of warheads is growing and sending a lot of them to the enemy is no longer necessary. In the USA, they didn’t make such missiles. They achieved good accuracy in the late 70s. As far as it is known from the press, Poplar and Yars have impressive accuracy.



      Well, well, however, analysts don’t think so. The accuracy of our missiles is not inferior to Amerov’s .. here’s only Poplar - one head, Yars-three ... It will not be enough!
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 13 November 2015 12: 50 New
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    Now the main thing is not to stop, forward, and only forward, but without rumors and other accelerators ...
  10. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 14: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: EGOrkka
    ..... well this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 product per month in one shift ... And how many 10 workshops will be produced, with equipment "I" in three shifts? From here, no one will tell you: how many workshops work, and what their productivity is, even if your question is read ... owning this information .... but from not owning ... you can hear ... anything .. . up to the number of S-500 in Novorossia ... and the number of abrams in ruin

    You yourself are well aware that this is not simple math. Shops in an amount of 10 simply by magic do not work. And a huge number of subcontractors. And if one of the suppliers produces 20-25 units. devices "XXX" per year, then increase the production to the same amount to enable 10 workshops "I" to work in three shifts he will not succeed immediately. Since he has allies. Such a colossus spins up gradually. For several years, production increased from 36-38 products to EMNIP 54 - good. But these products include everything. And "Mace", and "Yars" and the same "Yars-M" ("Frontier"). Therefore, based on the statistics of several years, the maximum that was possible (last year, EMNIP put a regiment in the other two in the division ....

    Quote: Gloomy Hedgehog
    We launch three missiles, on the first EW means against air defense means, on another nuclear charge or a capsule with teddy bears (depending on the desired result), and the third one flies along an intricate path, but all three fly along one target. Here, no means will help the enemies.

    And what will be the effect of a rocket with No. 1 (without electronic warfare it’s completely impossible, how can it be shoved) ???
    But the third ... The trajectory will be so complicated, so complicated that the rocket in the end will not know where to fly .... laughing

    You, dear Stanislav, have two points of contradiction. You write
    Quote: Ascetic
    The difference from the YaRS is an elongated housing with a modified configuration to accommodate the RFG IN

    и
    Quote: Ascetic
    Nothing is said about the Barguzin BZHRK ... the outline design has already been completed ... In principle, this is the same YRS-M / Boundary / railway version ... Small-sized missile weighing less than 50 tons with a length of about 23 m

    The Yars itself is about 23 meters long. If the “Yars-M” has an elongated body compared to the “Yars”, then it will not fit into the car. Or again there will be such a car that he himself will become a unmasking factor
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 13 November 2015 17: 14 New
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      Old26
      You yourself are well aware that this is not simple math.


      ...... you are right and wrong at the same time ... but if we take into account development .... in time .... and means, then ultimately ... again, mathematics (not without elements of organization ...) hi
  11. bloommave
    bloommave 13 November 2015 16: 05 New
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  12. trantor
    trantor 13 November 2015 17: 32 New
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    Quote: Bugor
    Yes, there would be a desire ....
    Look, how many air defense systems / air defense systems did they deliver? Just 4 regiments. We’ve spread it all over the country, but 4 regiments. It will be the same with rackets. They will say what is needed - they will hurt themselves, but they will ....
    There would be a team ....

    From the fact that the "smear" missiles will not shoot worse. The unpleasant thing is different-sized equipment in one connection. I served in the OS (mine PU) mine, so in the division in 10 regiments there were 5 different complexes on the database. Even if you do not take into account the difficulties with the training and relocation of specialists, this is a big headache during maintenance and troubleshooting. Plus, a significant increase in logistics costs and various auxiliary test equipment, tools, devices, etc.
  13. NEXUS
    NEXUS 13 November 2015 17: 51 New
    +2
    SARMAT ICBMs and ABOUT is one of the means that will “hold back” the adversary in the near future ... But the Americans have laid down the modernization of their nuclear arsenal for the next and subsequent years. And therefore, as well as the production and delivery of the new ICBMs themselves, we should accelerate in the production of new air defense systems such as S-500, as well as an increase in satellite constellation tracking and monitoring ...
  14. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 18: 04 New
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    Quote: trantor
    I served in the OS (mine PU) mine, so in the division in 10 regiments there were 5 different complexes on the database.

    EMNIP RD with the number of regiments in the Union was not so much. And honestly, I don’t remember that there were more than 2, maximum 3 complexes. Do not tell the division in time?
    1. trantor
      trantor 13 November 2015 18: 45 New
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      80-98, Clear, Orenburg
      1. trantor
        trantor 13 November 2015 18: 55 New
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        smile No, of course, not all 18 years of 5 complexes stood, but the period of 4-5 years was when Satan was set: 3 types of command posts and 5 types of missiles. We still laughed that in the states there are 3 complexes for all strategic nuclear forces, and we have 5 in one compound.
        1. trantor
          trantor 13 November 2015 19: 03 New
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          In general, this is a mess. A similar picture at that time with SSBNs was: 4-8-12-16-24 PU. But all this somehow still worked :)
      2. rubin6286
        rubin6286 14 November 2015 14: 38 New
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        I served in Yasnoy in 1978. There were a maximum of three complexes in the division, one of which was at the stage of rearmament to Satan. Shelves were removed from duty and went on retraining to Baikonur.
  15. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 18: 57 New
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    Valery! One more question. Which 5 could be simultaneously in the 13th? From the 74th, the replacement of the R-36 with the R-36M began. The R-36M2 began to be installed in 1988. I understand that for 1992 you could have 3 complexes in the division at once, the 14th, 18th and 18M. While the 67th product was being replaced by the 14th, there could again be 2, well, a maximum of 3 complexes. Do not enlighten what 5 ???
  16. AlexA
    AlexA 13 November 2015 19: 19 New
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    Quote: Ascetic
    And if you dig a little deeper, the project was developed on the basis of developments on the 15Zh59 ICBM Courier missile, which Gorbachev had once shut down.

    Quote: Ascetic
    In principle, this is the same YaRS-M / Rubezh / railway version ... Small-sized missile weighing less than 50 tons and a length of about 23 m

    Dear Ascetic, something does not fit together. The courier was weighing less than 20 tons. Which one of them can be Yars weighing 50 tons? This is how it should have been "developed"?
    And the definition of "small" is hardly suitable for a product 23 meters long. This length was 15ZH61 weighing more than 100 tons. And if a 50-ton product was “stretched” to 23 meters - this is not good. Very carelessly approached the design of charges and the choice of fuel burning rate.
    In general, the roots and history of the development of the Frontier are not quite clear.
  17. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 19: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: trantor
    In general, this is a mess. A similar picture at that time with SSBNs was: 4-8-12-16-24 PU.

    Alas, you are wrong. We had SSBNs with only 3 SLBMs - project 658), with 6 SLBMs - Project 701 (experimental), 12 SLBMs - Project 667B, 16 SLBMs - Project 667A / BD / BDR / BDRM and finally 20 - on SSBNs of project 941
  18. Old26
    Old26 13 November 2015 20: 03 New
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    Quote: CERHJ
    It seems like in the fall they finally launched the long-awaited Tundra. These are satellites of the Early Warning of the Rocket Nuclear Strike. It seems even two at once. I somehow missed this information. And now they are talking as a settled matter. If anyone knows, tell me when the launch was and what. ..

    Not yet launched. It is planned to launch on 17.11.2015 the Soyuz-2-1b launch vehicle from Plesetsk. But he will be alone.
  19. holgert
    holgert 13 November 2015 20: 14 New
    +1
    Most likely --- the main thing is to have enough time !!!
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  21. Hagreebarg
    Hagreebarg 14 November 2015 07: 55 New
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    Yes, we need to renew our strategic nuclear forces. So that our overseas “partners” do not have a cohesive mind, we should open our mouths and think that they will be able to humiliate us.
  22. Old26
    Old26 14 November 2015 10: 56 New
    0
    Quote: CERHJ
    Yes? Here are bastards. Someone here already wrote about a solved case and that two at once. And I think. Why did I miss such a message. What are they confused with? What would two at once ... Thanks for the info

    Please ... But two this year we only launched the French Galileo with Kuru. At the end of March, Nos. 7 and 8, and in September, Nos. 9 and 10. Of the reconnaissance, all were also launched individually. In February, Bars-M in June, Cobalt-M and Persona
  23. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 14 November 2015 12: 25 New
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    With a kind word, I recall grandfather Beria, because it was under his leadership that the country's nuclear shield was created.
  24. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 14 November 2015 20: 30 New
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    Quote: mav1971
    Quote: EGOrkka
    Old26
    Yes, at least a hundred teams, if we can do about 50 in a year


    ..... well this is ... simple mathematics .... one workshop, with equipment "A", produces 1 products per month in one shift ... And how many shops will work 10, with equipment "I" in three shifts?


    Will Tajiks collect rockets?
    When you turn on your head and think that for three shifts - in simplified terms you need 3 times more skilled workers, and not only assemblers, but also galvanic, welders and turners - almost all.
    Votkinsk - we have the promised land in which you can find so many free skilled workers at the click of a finger or on command?
    What did they do before then? when did the plant work in one shift?
    Are you familiar with the concept of production? At least some were at the factory?
    This is not a cartoon about the same with the casket, and not Starcraft with its 30 second release of working robots.
    Ага.
    3 times more work for allies should be - do not forget about them too!

    Think Think More!
    Maths ...

    In order to work in three shifts it is not at all necessary to increase the number of employees by 3 times. Well, then they will be pushed by pardon, sorry and no work. Production can be increased by increasing the number of working hours. This is a part-time job and the transition to the “two-shift” with the same single-shift staff. Not all work operations, even in one specialty, are performed in parallel, some are performed strictly sequentially: and here everything rests on logistics - to separate teams into people, by specialties, in time and space. Naturally, this works at fairly large enterprises with a full reserve for spare parts of at least the first stages of assembly (here, suppliers already need to turn around faster and it is undesirable to interrupt the finances of the trickle) and this is not a full-fledged two-shift: the 1st shift works from 8.00:17.00 to 14.00:22.00, the second comes out from 1,5 and works until 8, it’s just a part-time option, but the working time (during which the worker fulfills his immediate duties) grows by at least XNUMX times, although for everyone individually it is XNUMX hours. Here is the math ...
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 15 November 2015 15: 27 New
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      Filxnumx
      In order to work in three shifts it is not at all necessary to increase the number of employees by 3 times.



      in 3 shifts is the maximum option ... and only. In principle, in such a huge country and with decentralization ... deliveries may increase ... and at times ..... hi
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 15 November 2015 15: 37 New
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        Quote: EGOrkka
        Filxnumx
        In order to work in three shifts it is not at all necessary to increase the number of employees by 3 times.

        in 3 shifts is the maximum option ... and only. In principle, in such a huge country and with decentralization ... deliveries may increase ... and at times ..... hi

        To cope with the order, it is sometimes advantageous to buy and install new equipment, sharpened for this order. The equipment can be maximally robotic, which means that the number of people involved in this is minimal. But this is beneficial to do with a guaranteed large order.
        In general, much depends on the customer.
  25. Legionnaire 030
    Legionnaire 030 14 November 2015 20: 52 New
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    Help in this matter.
    Yesterday I entered into a tough polemic with a master who is doing my repairs. As you know, he is a patriot from "fraternal" Ukraine, to whom a summons has come (and he does not hide this). The essence of the dispute is the presence of our regular parts. His arguments were that he showed me a series of videos from YouTube that showed the interrogation of supposedly our soldiers (to mine the Pskov paratroopers just caught). Also on this video showed the documents of these soldiers (military ID cards). My question is - unless going into battle, soldiers take identification documents (military IDs, certificates of duty logs, etc.). In particular, in a war, where officially should they not be?
    Thank you in advance for your response
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 14 November 2015 22: 00 New
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      Quote: Legionnaire 030
      military tickets, certificates, duty logs, etc.

      And there were no evening verification lists? lol
      Proceed from ordinary logic. If our fighters were really captured, and even with documents, then the whole "progressive public" would scream about it, despite Paris. And just a production video on You tube. Fake, as the teenagers say.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 14 November 2015 23: 07 New
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        There are volunteers from Russia. This is ours and do not deny it. There are no regular parts. Any evidence on this subject, sooner or later, was debunked as fakes. Even the Americans with their companions did not show themselves here (maximum, someone said quotes from the forums).
      2. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 15 November 2015 15: 35 New
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        ... well, into the account ... scream ... The Parasites have no options ... scream and whine at any ... hi
  26. Legionnaire 030
    Legionnaire 030 15 November 2015 18: 27 New
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    Good afternoon.
    Thanks for the answer
  27. Legionnaire 030
    Legionnaire 030 15 November 2015 20: 29 New
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    Good evening.
    Tell me, did anyone hear about the Ukrainian film "Raid" - about the brilliant operation (supposedly the longest raid in military history) of the 95 brigade. What kind of operation is it, or is it again a fiction of Ukrainian media?
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