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S&P and Fitch announced default on Kyiv

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Международное рейтинговое агентство S&P опубликовало релиз, в котором говорится о понижении кредитного рейтинга украинской столицы. Сообщается, что отныне у Киева, по меркам S&P, кредитный рейтинг по обязательствам в иностранной валюте находится на уровне D. По шкале Standard&Poor’s это означает дефолт.


As it turns out, the level of the richest (in terms of budget) Ukrainian cities has been lowered to the default mark (it’s about Kiev) not only for obligations in foreign currency. The default rating was also assigned for liabilities in national currency, as well as for two bond issues in foreign currency units. Reports the Ukrainian information portal "Correspondent".

S&P and Fitch announced default on Kyiv


On the eve of the lowering of the rating of Kiev to the default agency announced Fitch.

Нужно напомнить, что международные рейтинговые агентства в связи с ситуацией на Украине были поставлены в затруднительное положение. Судя по всему, главные «спонсоры» деятельности таких агентств не позволяли ни S&P, ни Fitch объявлять рейтинг украинских субъектов дефолтным. В этой связи была выдумана особая планка под названием «выборочный дефолт». Теперь и от эксплуатации этой искусственной планки приходится отказываться, так как тот же Киев не в состоянии платить по долгам.

The credit rating level D (default) says that there can be no talk about any investments in the economy of the Ukrainian capital (and with it the whole of Ukraine). All interesting assets will simply be bought up by foreign companies for a pittance, which, in principle, is already happening. Foreign lending to the Ukrainian economy is a question, and it really hangs in the air.

The lowering of the credit rating of Kiev to the default mark was made, as reported, due to the fact that Kiev did not make a payment in the amount of 250 million dollars on previously issued Eurobonds.
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  1. marinier
    marinier 12 November 2015 14: 04 New
    54
    And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 12 November 2015 14: 07 New
      30
      hohlopiteki jumped ... not going to sponsor scumbags, let them pay off debts ...
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 12 November 2015 14: 09 New
        35
        Quote: marinier
        And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!


        Why, give them $ 3 billion more so that they settle accounts with us and finish

        And then, Greece help for free


        1. Sober
          Sober 12 November 2015 14: 26 New
          16
          Oh! Pluses are not enough!
          1. bugrovata
            bugrovata 12 November 2015 14: 36 New
            13
            You have a plus sign! yes
            1. Sober
              Sober 12 November 2015 16: 46 New
              0
              Quote: bugrovata
              You have a plus sign!

              Thank you Tatiana! Just not for yourself!
              Quote: bulvas
              Why, give them $ 3 billion more so that they settle accounts with us and finish

              And then, Greece help for free

              I wanted to get in here.!
        2. hrych
          hrych 12 November 2015 14: 30 New
          53
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          1. Mr shrek
            Mr shrek 12 November 2015 14: 41 New
            10
            Galygin krassavchek))))) Klitschko is a miserable parody of him))))
            1. zennon
              zennon 12 November 2015 19: 26 New
              +2
              Цитата: Mr Shrek
              Klitschko is a miserable parody of him))

              He neighed with all his heart. He was hit on the head with health. Victor Stepanovich is resting ...
          2. inferno_nv
            inferno_nv 12 November 2015 14: 58 New
            12
            Klitschko beat off his head completely !!!))) wassat
        3. vsoltan
          vsoltan 12 November 2015 17: 05 New
          +1
          bulvas

          Извините, очепятка или я очитался… показалось "приканчивайте"… laughing
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 12 November 2015 14: 14 New
        34
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/432/exkd729.png

        Шоломеньки булы, "свидомо-майданутые"...!!! Доскакались?
        1. Alexnder
          Alexnder 12 November 2015 14: 15 New
          11
          Not only everyone can understand this!
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 12 November 2015 15: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: Alexnder
            Not only everyone can understand this!

            Especially when it comes to artifacts found in Kiev. There are no typos!
            1. TRex
              TRex 12 November 2015 15: 19 New
              +3
              There are no typos ... there are arefacs and a clear understanding of the nickname.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 12 November 2015 17: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: TRex
                eat arefaki

                Про "арефаки" не слышал, просветите. А Кличко произнёс именно "артефаки"
          2. I am Russian
            I am Russian 12 November 2015 17: 26 New
            12
            This is great !!
            1. bannik
              bannik 12 November 2015 17: 46 New
              +2
              Ay, Vitalik, ah, well done! Even Wasserman would not have thought of this!
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 12 November 2015 14: 21 New
          +8
          Strongly said Klitschko!
          I’m waiting for him to return to Kiev, he will say that the people of Kiev this winter will also be wearing shorts in support of the integrity of Spain.
          You, united Europe!
        3. hrych
          hrych 12 November 2015 14: 36 New
          12
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          1. Mihalich17
            Mihalich17 12 November 2015 19: 25 New
            +4
            Map of Ukraine in 2016?
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      3. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 12 November 2015 14: 17 New
        13
        Щаз МВФ придумает новый уровень,для каклов - "босота международная", но ласковые и преданные,аж жуть! Главное при них деньги из кармана не вынимать,шалеют убогие! fool
      4. shvn
        shvn 12 November 2015 14: 25 New
        +5
        Yes, these agencies almost daily lower Kiev's rating, but he, Kiev, for some reason do not care))) Soon mattresses will throw babasikov
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 12 November 2015 19: 28 New
          0
          Quote: shvn
          Yes, these agencies almost daily lower Kiev rating, but he, Kiev, for some reason do not care)

          A month later they will pay 3 billion to Russia, then there will be a default
      5. meriem1
        meriem1 12 November 2015 14: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        hohlopiteki jumped ... not going to sponsor scumbags, let them pay off debts ...


        But Klitschko also announced a moratorium on payment! Again they want something to be forgiven and they whine. Well, the conclusion is certainly understandable. This is all Putin!
      6. veksha50
        veksha50 12 November 2015 14: 31 New
        +8
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        hohlopiteki jumped ... not going to sponsor scumbags- let them pay off your debts ..


        Um ... we, the people, are not going to ... But what the boyars and rulers think is sheer unknown ... Unknown, but 70 percent is already predictable ...

        Look, Vnesheconombank, together with the government, can easily take Ukrainian debts ... Does this mean something ???
      7. Coconut Tima
        Coconut Tima 12 November 2015 14: 45 New
        +4
        Huge people, Putin stole all the money! Go home, or I'll call the military commissar!
      8. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 12 November 2015 15: 11 New
        +2
        Sasha 19871987
        hohlopiteki jumped ....

        HERE YOU KIEVAN AND KLICHKO DAY !!! But he jumped - how, together with Yaitsenyuk! BUT do not jump, but if the head of the city has been pounded in the head for 15 years with pood fists, then what kind of brains will he have after that (if what remains can be called brains) ... And what a crazy thing, these are the results ... YES EXCEPT ANOTHER AND YOU CAN EXPECT ??? !!!
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    3. kil 31
      kil 31 12 November 2015 14: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: marinier
      And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!
      Do not press a couple of tulips to the grave. hi
      1. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 12 November 2015 14: 16 New
        38

        ...and today I learned that it came yesterday.
        1. Sober
          Sober 12 November 2015 14: 28 New
          +4
          The master of the verbal genre, however!
        2. bannik
          bannik 12 November 2015 17: 58 New
          +2
          He thinks deeply, however. It’s visible on the face. This is not given to us.
      2. remy
        remy 12 November 2015 23: 25 New
        0
        I read your comments as you mock.
        I completely agree.
        but!
        ordinary people feel sorry!
        and it’s millions!
        because of these scum in Kiev, how can people live that ?!
        1. zennon
          zennon 12 November 2015 23: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: remy
          ordinary people feel sorry!
          and it’s millions!
          because of these scum in Kiev, how can people live that ?!

          Видите ли Роман.Люди в ответе за свои слова и поступки.Когда вы видите документальные кадры разбомбленного Берлина,то осознаёте,что людей то конечно жалко,но всё по делу!Они избрали Хитлера,принесли страдания и смерть в Европу и СССР.Должны заплатить.А теперь полюбуйтесь на скачущих придурков в незалежной.На детский утренник во Львове,где добренькие детишки режут торт изображающей русского младенца,запивая компотиком с названием "кровь м.о.с.к.а.л.е.й",ну и Т,Д.Ну как,вам всё ещё их жалко?
    4. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 12 November 2015 14: 33 New
      19
      Quote: marinier
      And we are not RUSSIA,

      Very sorry, dear marinier nl, но почитав Ваши посты, у меня сложилось впечатление, что вы очень тонкий тролль. Поясню: вещи Вы пишите "правильные", в духе данного патриотического сайта, но пишите их с "акцентом" . I understand when in a foreign language they say с акцентом, но письменность учат по книгам, в которых никакого акцента нет и быть не может. Можно ошибиться в пунктуации или в падежах, но коверкать морфологию возможно лишь в разговорном языке, не владея письменным, а Вы, судя по многим "крылатым" фразам и сокращениям, письменностью владеете весьма неплохо. Если это розыгрыш - повеселило, если Вы в действительности Entoni deVaal, голландский морпех, то Вам следует набить морду Вашему преподавателю Русского языка, он явно над Вами поглумился. С уважением.
      PS: In this comment, I had no intention of offending you; if I am mistaken, I apologize. hi
      1. fyvaprold
        fyvaprold 12 November 2015 15: 04 New
        +2
        Не хочу никого обидеть и ничего навязывать, но у меня появилась одна "крамольная" мысль: - а не является ли marinier nl неким "социальным экспериментом" наших админов и модеров, как бы проверкой на "вшивость", вернее на "почитание Запада", ведь, судя по рейтингу и содержанию постов, marinier nl было достаточно "похвалить Россию" или выставить Запад в неприглядном свете и "восторгам нет конца", в то же время на обоснованные комментарии россиян и жителей СНГ, нередко выливаются ушаты помоев, даже когда их правота очевидна. Если я прав, то шутка удалась и для многих похвала из-за бугра ценнее трезвых и обоснованных рассуждений наших сограждан, что весьма прискорбно. Надеюсь, всё же, что я ошибаюсь и мой вывод лишь осеннее обострение паранойи laughing . I repeat: I do not want to offend anyone, I ask you not to take my words at your own expense and not to throw stones. drinks . Sincerely.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 12 November 2015 15: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: fyvaprold
          меня появилась одна "крамольная" мысль:

          and it never occurred to you that this is a real foreigner, barely fluent in Russian, but trying to speak it?
          1. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 12 November 2015 15: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: Hedgehog
            and it never occurred to you that this is a real foreigner, barely fluent in Russian, but trying to speak it?

            I came, therefore I apologized. And it never occurred to you that he wasn’t talking, пишет, Google translator и то так не коверкает слова, возможны ошибки в склонениях и падежах, но не изменение самой структуры слов. Вы иностранные языки изучали по книгам (написанию слов) или по фонтике (звучанию слов)? Прежде чем писать, учатся читать, в какой книге он мог прочесть по-русски слово"РОССИА", перевод с транслита тоже "не канает", уж проще пользоваться тем же Google-ом и для изучения языка намного полезней. И вообще, я лишь высказал своё предположение, и не истину в последней инстанции, Вы хоть посты соотечественников повнимательней читайте. С уважением.
            1. Gloomy
              Gloomy 12 November 2015 15: 43 New
              +7
              Может у него нет на клавиатуре буквы "Я"? what
              1. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 12 November 2015 15: 53 New
                +3
                Quote: Gloomy
                Может у него нет на клавиатуре буквы "Я"?

                On-screen keyboard there is even Kana and Hangul, and even European languages, and even more UN working languages, are represented in all their diversity. Sincerely.
            2. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 12 November 2015 17: 25 New
              +6
              Quote: fyvaprold
              Google translator doesn't distort words anyway

              Он и "Ь" не знает как ставить. Из короткого общения с ним я предположил, что он самоучка. Не приставал к нему с лишними вопросами. И в любом случае, есть смысл со спокойствием относиться к этому. Из общения с другим голландцем я понял, что русский для них очень сложен. Будьте снисходительней к людям. Быть толерантным я не предлагаю.
              1. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 12 November 2015 17: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Он и "Ь" не знает как ставить. Из короткого общения с ним я предположил, что он самоучка. Не приставал к нему с лишними вопросами. И в любом случае, есть смысл со спокойствием относиться к этому. Из общения с другим голландцем я понял, что русский для них очень сложен.

                I didn’t say anything, maybe I’m wrong, and you’re right, I just expressed my suspicions.
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Be lenient towards people.

                Did I offend with something marinier nl, or mocked him? You seem to be a native speaker of the Russian language, not self-taught, and are quite capable of appreciating both the content and the meaning of my comments. Moreover, I just expressed questionAnd not He claimed.
                Quote: Hedgehog
                And in any case, it makes sense to calmly relate to this.

                I agree. Whatever it was, he did not offend anyone. By the way, I was not nervous. Sincerely.
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 12 November 2015 18: 55 New
                  -2
                  Quote: fyvaprold
                  Did I offend marinier NL with something, or mock him?

                  No no and one more time no. And no one claimed it.
                  But regarding the date of registration, a person so high in the ranking table is highly doubtful. With 155 replicas, where not everyone has more than 10 pluses. I feel lazy, and I just don’t want to. If you want, please. There is far from everything, less than half. http://topwar.ru/search.html?searchid=2140493&web=0&text=+marinier
            3. lis-ik
              lis-ik 12 November 2015 18: 31 New
              +2
              As soon as I began to read comments with a distortion of words, a similar thought also occurred to me. Fyvaprold I support your hypothesis.
              1. noWAR
                noWAR 12 November 2015 22: 48 New
                0
                In any case, it should make sense. Where is he?
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        2. ltc22A
          ltc22A 12 November 2015 16: 46 New
          +7
          Quote: fyvaprold
          Не хочу никого обидеть и ничего навязывать, но у меня появилась одна "крамольная" мысль: - а не является ли marinier nl неким "социальным экспериментом" наших админов и модеров, как бы проверкой на "вшивость", вернее на "почитание Запада", ведь, судя по рейтингу и содержанию постов, marinier nl было достаточно "похвалить Россию" или выставить Запад в неприглядном свете и "восторгам нет конца", в то же время на обоснованные комментарии россиян и жителей СНГ, нередко выливаются ушаты помоев, даже когда их правота очевидна. Если я прав, то шутка удалась и для многих похвала из-за бугра ценнее трезвых и обоснованных рассуждений наших сограждан, что весьма прискорбно. Надеюсь, всё же, что я ошибаюсь и мой вывод лишь осеннее обострение паранойи laughing . I repeat: I do not want to offend anyone, I ask you not to take my words at your own expense and not to throw stones. drinks . Sincerely.

          Согласен полностью. Месье зарегистрировался 2-го ноября 2015 и "уже" генерал-майор!!
        3. Oman 47
          Oman 47 12 November 2015 22: 38 New
          +1
          Yes, no, then - Tolik Shariy is kidding; bored him in the Netherlands ... belay
          1. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 12 November 2015 22: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: Oman 47
            Yes, no, then - Tolik Shariy is kidding; bored him in the Netherlands ...

            Да, было бы забавно, тем более, что на ВО Шарий недавно ссылался (по катерам "Гюрза"). laughing . Sincerely.
      2. ydjin
        ydjin 12 November 2015 15: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: fyvaprold
        Quote: marinier
        And we are not RUSSIA,

        Very sorry, dear marinier nl, но почитав Ваши посты, у меня сложилось впечатление, что вы очень тонкий тролль. Поясню: вещи Вы пишите "правильные", в духе данного патриотического сайта, но пишите их с "акцентом" . I understand when in a foreign language they say с акцентом, но письменность учат по книгам, в которых никакого акцента нет и быть не может. Можно ошибиться в пунктуации или в падежах, но коверкать морфологию возможно лишь в разговорном языке, не владея письменным, а Вы, судя по многим "крылатым" фразам и сокращениям, письменностью владеете весьма неплохо. Если это розыгрыш - повеселило, если Вы в действительности Entoni deVaal, голландский морпех, то Вам следует набить морду Вашему преподавателю Русского языка, он явно над Вами поглумился. С уважением.
        PS: In this comment, I had no intention of offending you; if I am mistaken, I apologize. hi

        Strange, but similar thoughts visit me! The rapid growth of Anthony de Val is confusing ?! Not a mishandled Cossack? I hope I'm wrong? With respect to the forum users. hi
        1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Vladimir Pozlnyakov 12 November 2015 19: 16 New
          +1

          А я уже как-то написал, что "муЗык" ДУРУ ГОНИТ! За что нахватался минусов!
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      3. Bepdukt
        Bepdukt 12 November 2015 16: 04 New
        +2
        I am not mistaken and say that he is a specific Troll!
    5. V.ic
      V.ic 12 November 2015 14: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: marinier
      And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!

      Да вроде ваша держава не из бедных... Как сообщали "наши" рассеянские СМИ в одном Антверпене проживают около 150 тысяч миллионеров, вот и скинулись бы гульденов десять по тысяч на подмогу жовто-блакитным.
    6. Bepdukt
      Bepdukt 12 November 2015 15: 48 New
      +1
      your children help them.
    7. Civil
      Civil 12 November 2015 16: 42 New
      +5
      Even 2 years yelling about default in Ukraine .. and the dollar is growing))) riddles
    8. vodolaz
      vodolaz 12 November 2015 19: 50 New
      +2
      Once, one of these agencies tried to lower the rating of the United States from the highest one step down, and then the Yankees opened a criminal case against them. The rating was promptly returned, the case was closed))) So they are afraid to name the real state of things with their own names.
    9. atalef
      atalef 12 November 2015 22: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: marinier
      And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!

      Quote: Sasha 19871987
      hohlopiteki jumped ... not going to sponsor scumbags, let them pay off debts ...

      Quote: bulvas
      Quote: marinier
      And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!


      Why, give them $ 3 billion more so that they settle accounts with us and finish

      And then, Greece help for free

      Actually, this is an absolutely logical result.
      But the people apparently do not quite read the written - Default of Kiev (city).
      You understand that the city will not disappear from this map.
      Well, they will carry out optimization. they’ll sell something. They will increase the fare and the utility bills (miserable father-in-law with the mother-in-law) - in general, this is not fatal.
      In Russia, the same half of the regions
      After the rating agency Standard & Poors announced a technical default in the Novgorod region, the issue of bankruptcy of the regions became one of the most discussed topics. Today in the next issue of Operational Monitoring of the Economic Situation in Russia, the latest data on the economic situation of the regions were published. The Insider cites this data in the form of a visual infographic (see below), and as you can understand from these data, the Novgorod region is still far from the worst situation - after all, some regions already owe more than 80% of their annual income, and a number of entities - and over 100%.

      look at the default regions
      http://theins.ru/ekonomika/9460
      There Chukotka owes 125% of GDP and nothing, the Chukchi did not die out.
      The article is generally a statement of the fact of a general mess and theft in Ukraine, and there will be no concrete consequences (except for the deterioration of the life of Kievans)
  2. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 12 November 2015 14: 04 New
    +5
    Let's see what happens next. What the US and IMF will come up with ...
  3. volot-voin
    volot-voin 12 November 2015 14: 04 New
    +4
    The West does not forgive debts. Sooner or later they will tear off the skin.
    Kiev urgently needs a war to get money from the Washington Regional Committee. What was stolen long ago, new investments are needed.
    1. marinier
      marinier 12 November 2015 14: 06 New
      +3
      You're right!
      Bremia of altruism does not dominate us
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 12 November 2015 14: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: marinier
        VY pravy!
        Bremia altruizma nad nami ne dovleet


        What about Greece?
      2. unsinkable
        unsinkable 12 November 2015 15: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: marinier
        Bremia of altruism does not dominate us

        I’m less interested in your comments. But the super-fast successes in learning the Russian language and knowledge of its subtleties are very suspicious. Who are you, Mr. Anthony? It’s a shame for the POWER.) Never will any foreigner understand us. And we sometimes don’t understand the actions of our leaders. Look at the log in your eye, and then notice the mote in ours.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 November 2015 17: 53 New
          0
          Quote: unsinkable
          I just got this gentleman with my sarcastic and provocative comments about Russia.

          laughing Yes hammer! You don’t think that only military and civilian personnel from the CIS or the former USSR are sitting in military schools. It seems that there are enough personnel and not very agents of various foreign services, it’s bad that the talkers who issue this or that data, even if not always in detail, are enough. Someone says that a submarine saying (S300 / 400 regiment, Su, ships, etc.) is saying here for provocative stuffing and ravings, or there - he saw it, someone talks about the HF in the neighborhood.
          А "эти" инфу собирают с мира по нитке и анализируют, мы прикалываемся больше, на самом деле это очень серьезно.
      3. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
        Vladimir Pozlnyakov 12 November 2015 19: 18 New
        0
        Well, that split!
    2. BMW
      BMW 12 November 2015 14: 11 New
      +1
      So the skin has long been stripped, prepared. Soon the meat will be cut or veins (lard has long been absorbed into the pockets of the oligarchs). I wonder who will get the soup set.
  4. sinukvl
    sinukvl 12 November 2015 14: 05 New
    +2
    Ну вот и все! Как говорится "шарик сдулся, крыс надулся".
  5. cniza
    cniza 12 November 2015 14: 06 New
    +2
    The credit rating level D (default) says that there can be no talk about any investments in the economy of the Ukrainian capital (and with it the whole of Ukraine). All interesting assets will simply be bought up by foreign companies for a pittance, which, in principle, is already happening. Foreign lending to the Ukrainian economy is a question, and it really hangs in the air.



    So this is what is needed, which is what they are trying to achieve, and Klitschko will not be able to explain it anyway.
  6. serg1970
    serg1970 12 November 2015 14: 06 New
    0
    Rehearsal of state default :)
  7. evil partisan
    evil partisan 12 November 2015 14: 07 New
    +1
    I do not believe. Vitalik, says he is raising billions ...
    1. Turbo rabbit
      Turbo rabbit 12 November 2015 14: 09 New
      +2
      Clearly raises the matter, and takes home.
      1. Sober
        Sober 12 November 2015 14: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Turbo-Rabbit
        Clearly raises the matter, and takes home.

        That was yesterday, although he thinks today.
    2. Aurum
      Aurum 12 November 2015 17: 13 New
      0
      will not raise, he does not know such a figure
  8. sledge
    sledge 12 November 2015 14: 08 New
    0
    What's next?
    1. fif21
      fif21 12 November 2015 15: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Sanya
      What's next?
      Can buy a couple of ports and factories? recourse Sale however.
  9. Indifferent
    Indifferent 12 November 2015 14: 09 New
    +5
    Well, Kiev and caught up with Detroit! That's just a harsh winter in Detroit does not happen. And in Kiev, and 30 can hit. What then will a boxer with thawed communications do?
    It only remains to scatter around the villages along with the Rada and Yatsenyukh with the government.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 12 November 2015 17: 56 New
      0
      Quote: indifferent
      And in Kiev, and 30 can hit. What will a boxer with unfrozen communications do?

      He will prepare for the earth - as he himself said.
  10. v1tz
    v1tz 12 November 2015 14: 10 New
    +1
    On the territory of Ukraine, few can watch tomorrow ...
  11. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 12 November 2015 14: 10 New
    0
    ..Not a long time playing music .. crying
  12. catyrn2
    catyrn2 12 November 2015 14: 10 New
    +3
    I wonder what pearl will give the mayor about this?
    1. cniza
      cniza 12 November 2015 14: 19 New
      +4
      Very loud belay
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 12 November 2015 14: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: catyrn2
      I wonder what pearl will give the mayor about this?



      Today is not yesterday, but not tomorrow ...
  13. marinier
    marinier 12 November 2015 14: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: marinier
    You're right!
    Bremia of altruism does not dominate us
  14. Baloo
    Baloo 12 November 2015 14: 12 New
    +5
    S&P and Fitch Kremlin agents bully Klitschko and Porosenko are also agents of the Kremlin. wassat
    Default is a special operation of the GRU laughing . Immortal call Panikovsky: Saw, Shura, saw ... this is the only way to overcome. Money? What kind of money? Banderas do not give money, they take it. lol
  15. bad
    bad 12 November 2015 14: 13 New
    +3
    laughing
    S&P and Fitch announced default on Kyiv
    ...хотелось съехидничать по этому поводу..но воздержусь-дождусь очередного перла от мэра куева-"философа"и мастера"псакинга"высшей категории герра Кличко....и поржу от души!... laughing
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 November 2015 14: 14 New
    0
    So right. Well, how much can you steal? Someday this, that is being stolen, should have ended.
    1. Sober
      Sober 12 November 2015 14: 37 New
      +1
      So on the gimmicks of Kiev they’ll scratch the rye, And there is nothing in the rye !!! That will be a surprise on the face of the master of art Whistle!
  17. mitrich
    mitrich 12 November 2015 14: 16 New
    +1
    Wait a moment, the sash and EUs will start to get hungry, as if at someone else’s expense, that is, help our native mongrels, for example, forgive my debts, give me gas for free, open the border for secured goods, give a new loan, give it back ... You only morally, edge-cookies geno-modified on the spread.
  18. Shpagolom
    Shpagolom 12 November 2015 14: 19 New
    +5
    .... they will buy Ukraine for pennies, and there they will again give loans to the new owners ...
    1. Sober
      Sober 12 November 2015 14: 38 New
      0
      No, the new owners are not maydanutye. They are thinking.
    2. EFA
      EFA 12 November 2015 14: 42 New
      +2
      Why is the Crimea lined on the left pocket? winked
      Either the drawing is old, or from the official website of the Ministry of Finance stale.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 12 November 2015 18: 00 New
        0
        Quote: EFA
        Either the drawing is old, or from the official website of the Ministry of Finance stale

        laughing This is an official statement on the website of the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine
  19. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 12 November 2015 14: 19 New
    +1
    It's a pity...
    But everything could be different! )))
    "Прощай и ничего не обещай, уходишь в дальние края!
    Прощай, прощай!" (песТня)
  20. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 12 November 2015 14: 20 New
    +6
    S&P and Fitch announced default on Kyiv


    Detroit is a role model. Forward!
    1. EFA
      EFA 12 November 2015 14: 59 New
      +3
      In fact, the tragedy of Detroit and the number of families left without everything in America are trying not to notice.
  21. Igor39
    Igor39 12 November 2015 14: 21 New
    +1
    And the photo of Vitalik, a hint at the future Minister of Finance? winked
  22. AlexTires
    AlexTires 12 November 2015 14: 25 New
    +1
    Боюсь даже спросить "кто виноват"......
  23. veksha50
    veksha50 12 November 2015 14: 27 New
    +1
    "Уровень кредитного рейтинга D (дефолт) говорит о том, что about any investment in the economy Ukrainian capital (and with it the whole of Ukraine) can't talk"...


    This is so, the first bell ... The ship has not yet sailed into the harbor, or rather - has not yet drowned ...

    IMF frantically changing its rules ...

    The rulers of Russia also need to think something - after all, the IMF, which feeds Ukraine, also contains Russian money ...
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 12 November 2015 14: 36 New
      -1
      Something to think and the rulers of Russia ....
      ha ha ha, they didn’t think before, but now they’ll grow wiser, for example, they can take money out of the IMF and, under the promise of repaying the old debt, lend to Ukraine.
  24. marinier
    marinier 12 November 2015 14: 40 New
    -4
    Quote: Kil 31
    Quote: marinier
    And we are not RUSSIA, we will not help for free !!!
    Do not press a couple of tulips to the grave. : hee:

    Oh zmemsia even like zmemsia
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 November 2015 14: 43 New
    +2
    The people of Pedalik re-elected, apparently everyone is happy.
  26. armata37
    armata37 12 November 2015 14: 48 New
    -1
    from now on, by the standards of S&P, the credit rating for obligations in foreign currency is at level D. According to the Standard & Poor's scale, this means default.


    And today, tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Rather, not only everyone can watch. Few can do this.
  27. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2015 14: 54 New
    +3
    Yes, the Ukrainian elite does not give a damn to them they will declare default or immediately a furry animal. The thing is done, the suitcases are collected, the owner will cover the retreat. And the galloping ones will continue to ride, glorifying ancient ukrov and branding Russia, until they realize that they are jumping alone and from scratch.
    1. fif21
      fif21 12 November 2015 15: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the galloping ones will continue to ride, glorifying ancient ukrov and branding Russia, until they understand
      that galloped Ukraine and became slaves of mattresses and Europe crying Buy quilted jackets Bandera.
  28. V.ic
    V.ic 12 November 2015 15: 01 New
    0
    Зато "они" гарно спивают и бодро скачут... скакалы, скакалы, скаклы, каклы.
  29. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 12 November 2015 15: 02 New
    +8
    Oh, Klichyok, you are my IDOL !!!!!!!!
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 12 November 2015 15: 19 New
      +4
      The main Kiev wise man!
  30. 35lisment35
    35lisment35 12 November 2015 15: 03 New
    0
    Funny already-S & P will then lower to E, F, G. Nevertheless, default will not prevent Ukraine from waging a war
  31. search engine
    search engine 12 November 2015 15: 14 New
    -1
    Quote: hrych
    --------------------------------

    This is not Chernomyrdin. This one will be cooler
  32. Buffalo
    Buffalo 12 November 2015 15: 18 New
    0
    You can send condolences to the circus - his best performance happened on the Kiev Maidan. laughing
    There, Svidomo clowns are still performing ...
  33. anfil
    anfil 12 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +2
    S&P and Fitch announced default on Kyiv


    QUIET! Says the mayor of Kiev

    Klitschko: - We defaulted in the interests of the people of Kiev.

    About how! belay
  34. Aleksandr2012
    Aleksandr2012 12 November 2015 15: 23 New
    0
    Quote: fyvaprold
    Quote: marinier
    And we are not RUSSIA,

    Very sorry, dear marinier nl, но почитав Ваши посты, у меня сложилось впечатление, что вы очень тонкий тролль. Поясню: вещи Вы пишите "правильные", в духе данного патриотического сайта, но пишите их с "акцентом" . I understand when in a foreign language they say с акцентом, но письменность учат по книгам, в которых никакого акцента нет и быть не может. Можно ошибиться в пунктуации или в падежах, но коверкать морфологию возможно лишь в разговорном языке, не владея письменным, а Вы, судя по многим "крылатым" фразам и сокращениям, письменностью владеете весьма неплохо. Если это розыгрыш - повеселило, если Вы в действительности Entoni deVaal, голландский морпех, то Вам следует набить морду Вашему преподавателю Русского языка, он явно над Вами поглумился. С уважением.
    PS: In this comment, I had no intention of offending you; if I am mistaken, I apologize. hi

    Did you notice it too?
    1. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 12 November 2015 15: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr2012
      Did you notice it too?

      Да грех не заметить, подобную "речь" я если и встречал, то исключительно вербальную, от людей, которые даже название улиц прочесть не могли, причём чаще всего из Китая или Вьетнама. Я себе разбегающееся косоглазие чуть не заработал, пытаясь прочесть некоторые посты, а понять, что exactly it says there, the first time it turned out far from always. Maybe it's sclerosis? laughing laughing laughing Sincerely.
    2. unsinkable
      unsinkable 12 November 2015 15: 43 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr2012
      Did you notice it too?

      Alexander, I also noticed this, about which I wrote in the comment above. But YOU have stated your suspicions more broadly. All the best. hi
  35. Michael easily
    Michael easily 12 November 2015 15: 30 New
    0
    The familiar topic of debt restructuring is being discussed.
  36. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 12 November 2015 15: 35 New
    +1
    Ukraine has been led to such a rating for a long time enslave another country and make a colony of it, and with the help of its own citizens, the most interesting thing in the West is aerobatics. But only some time later we will have to rake the Augean stables again (Term- * Augean stables * -like from Greece)
  37. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 12 November 2015 15: 38 New
    +1
    Вот и подходит дело к логическому концу. Страна доведена до дефолта. С преддефолтным рейтингом надеяться на инвестиции и займы не приходится. Остается продажа объектов инфраструктуры, которые уже максимально обесценены. Все будет скуплено за бесценок авторами всей этой украинской трихомудии. Нашим "акулам бизнеса" ничего не достанется, т.к. свидомые быстрее сдохнут, чем м-лям продадут чего-нибудь. Разве что только через посредников.(Полагаю, что скорее всего наши так и будут ништяки скупать).
    Honestly, I have long been waiting for such a message. Maybe after the cessation of the flow of money into the country, finally, hunger and cold will clear the powdered brains and make people not jump and start working. And, if you look at the results and preliminary results (final sums up early) of the Ukrainian Central European, then, it would seem, at first glance, the Amers did everything. The Ukrainian economy is depreciated and prepared for sale for mere pennies. But with the main prize they nevertheless passed. Crimea and Donbass replaced the ears of a dead donkey.
    Ну и ход теперь за Россией. Считаю, что нужно сделать все возможное, (как-это вопрос техники) чтобы радость от приобретения украинской земли, инфраструктуры, объектов экономики и т.д. у зачинателей всего этого действа сменилась острейшей необходимостью в ежечасном применении свечей "Релиф". Как это произошло с сыном Д.Байдена и его сланцевыми проектами на Украине.
  38. IAlex
    IAlex 12 November 2015 16: 11 New
    -1
    Here, everyone is so directly upset about the default of Kiev. Why are you all creditors? Yes FSUs for everyone, both in Kiev and for creditors, one needed to think what they would give and where they would now take, while others needed to think who should be given. Capitalist sharks and without comment on VO in this situation will figure out who owes whom and what. You’d better think about your income ...
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 12 November 2015 16: 36 New
      0
      Quote: IAlex
      Here, everyone is so directly upset about the default of Kiev. Why are you all creditors? Yes FSUs for everyone, both in Kiev and for creditors, one needed to think what they would give and where they would now take, while others needed to think who should be given. Capitalist sharks and without comment on VO in this situation will figure out who owes whom and what. You’d better think about your income ...

      Income is not always more important, the main thing is the truth! And who is right is stronger! And the land is originally Russian. Something like this...
  39. Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 12 November 2015 16: 43 New
    +4
    A little secret that I am ready to open: all the same, Ukraine will give loans and everything else. They are fighting with us until the last Ukrainian)))
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 12 November 2015 16: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
      A little secret that I am ready to open: all the same, Ukraine will give loans and everything else. They are fighting with us until the last Ukrainian)))

      But Russia, to Uncle Sam’s displeasure, didn’t come to the war! It remains to them to shout: “Hold the thief!” But it’s clear who yells the loudest, that’s the thief!
  40. Masters
    Masters 12 November 2015 16: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Sober
    Oh! Pluses are not enough!

    I will help for free, that is, for nothing
  41. rus-5819
    rus-5819 12 November 2015 17: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Quote: fyvaprold
    меня появилась одна "крамольная" мысль:

    and it never occurred to you that this is a real foreigner, barely fluent in Russian, but trying to speak it?


    Well forgot dude T9 turn off ...
  42. Down House
    Down House 12 November 2015 17: 10 New
    0
    It must be recalled that international rating agencies were put in a difficult position due to the situation in Ukraine.

    Это точно, объяснить "мэру Куева" что "по меркам S&P, кредитный рейтинг по обязательствам в иностранной валюте находится на уровне D. По шкале Standard&Poor’s это означает дефолт" это практически нереальная задача!
  43. roskot
    roskot 12 November 2015 17: 11 New
    +1
    The dream of the horses came true. At least backwards to Europe, they have entered.
  44. marinier
    marinier 12 November 2015 18: 10 New
    +6
    Quote: fyvaprold
    Quote: marinier
    And we are not RUSSIA,

    Very sorry, dear marinier nl, but after reading your posts, I got the impression that you are a very subtle troll. Let me explain: you write things & correct; & quot ;, in the spirit of this patriotic site, but write them with я accent ’ . I understand when in a foreign language they say with an accent, but writing is taught from books in which there is no and cannot be any accent. You can make a mistake in punctuation or in cases, but you can distort morphology only in spoken language, not knowing the written language, and you, judging by many & yauot; winged & yauot; Phrases and abbreviations, writing you know very well. If this is a joke - it’s fun, if you are in fact Anthony de Waal, a Dutch marine, then you should fill the face of your Russian language teacher, he obviously mocked you. Sincerely.
    P.S .: In this comment, I had no intention of offending you; if I am mistaken, I apologize. : hee:

    Good day, dear (of course, and you !!!)
    Really, for 4 you apologize to me?
    That is the 4th I have heretofore written, Beloved, that is, believe from the heart and sincerely,
    or, you are comfortable with it (I’m a paid agent of G.R.U. under gene-RUSSIAN
    Army). The right to choose is MUCH-dear! 4to criticism in my address
    then you are right kaus, I don’t have enough of the GREAT and MAY4IM.
    With your molar agreement, dear, obiasnu.
    The fact is that the success of my spelling, which caused your, unconditionally
    Respectful attention to me. I am subject to my translation in com.
    Information for reflection: We are not specifically foreign speakers.
    But, in that 4th, she will be outwitted by the advancement of the service.
    So 4 bits of the face I need myself (by the way, they could, would help)
    Moreover, dear Dobrozilatel, I am not a supporter of mordobitia, s4itau UTB
    expression of weakness and lack of arguments.
    Dear goodwill, you have not offended menia. Menia has immunity, which I
    instilled, RUSSIAN instructors, when recruiting.
    By the way, your pasaz has added to me respect in their eyes.
    With respect to you !!!

    P.S. By the way, I'll ask for an increase in my 30 silver pieces.
    1. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 12 November 2015 18: 32 New
      0
      Quote: marinier
      Really, for 4 you apologize to me?

      Respected marinierAn apology is never superfluous, especially if someone expresses doubt about a person without knowing him personally. My suspicions are caused by repeated cases of trolling on this site, and not personally by your person. As soon as you are a Dutch marines Entoni deVaal, who is sincerely interested in Russia and its life, then Welcome! But even if my suspicions were true, then it doesn’t matter either, you didn’t insult anyone and didn’t offend anyone on this site (in my opinion), and your posts, although uninformative, are positive about my homeland, so please . Enjoy your communication. Sincerely. hi
      PS:And don’t even ask for an increase in 30 pieces of silver, in Russia there is a crisis due to sanctions, we get the salary of pickled hedgehogs laughing laughing laughing
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 12 November 2015 21: 10 New
      -1
      We had undergraduate studies of Arabs. It was not clear to me, the emphasis is not correctable, but sometimes they speak more correct Russian than those. who was born and raised in the USSR. I was preparing a literature review in the library and accidentally came across a Russian language textbook for foreigners (without indicating their nationality) in excellent simplified literary Russian.
      I will assume that the mariner still taught Russian in Russia or the USSR.
      The circus was the last time in the USSR. I always admired acrobats, gymnasts, fakirs. Now I don’t go, I don’t like trainers and clowns. hi
  45. marinier
    marinier 12 November 2015 19: 27 New
    0
    Quote: fyvaprold
    Quote: marinier
    Really, for 4 you apologize to me?

    Respected marinierAn apology is never superfluous, especially if someone expresses doubt about a person without knowing him personally. My suspicions are caused by repeated cases of trolling on this site, and not personally by your person. As soon as you are the Dutch marine Anthony de Waal, who is sincerely interested in Russia and its life, then Welcome! But even if my suspicions were true, then it doesn’t matter either, you didn’t insult anyone and didn’t offend anyone on this site (in my opinion), and your posts, although uninformative, are positive about my homeland, so please . Enjoy your communication. Sincerely. : hee:
    P.S .:And don’t even ask for an addition to 30 pieces of silver, in Russia the crisis is due to sanctions, we get the salary of the pickled hedgehogs:

    Much-respected, critic
    Good day to you.
    Your suspicions are logical and justified (such is the time).
    Thank you for the invitation, but without invitation (don’t execute, order
    pretty).
    4that is related to my lack of information, well, so menia or my recruiters
    (RUSSIAN RESIDENTS). Minimum information about yourself, maximum about the object of interest.
    So do not be judgmental.
    Thank you for the invitation Dear.

    P.S. Dase and I won’t think of listening to you, you thwarted the object of recruitment for implementation
    This site. The crisis is not a crisis, fulfill the conditions under which they were recruited.
    No liquid, I can take it in kind (Gaskets, diapers, item number 4).
    We are not squeamish !!!
  46. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 12 November 2015 20: 15 New
    -1
    Quote: ltc22A
    Quote: fyvaprold
    Не хочу никого обидеть и ничего навязывать, но у меня появилась одна "крамольная" мысль: - а не является ли marinier nl неким "социальным экспериментом" наших админов и модеров, как бы проверкой на "вшивость", вернее на "почитание Запада", ведь, судя по рейтингу и содержанию постов, marinier nl было достаточно "похвалить Россию" или выставить Запад в неприглядном свете и "восторгам нет конца", в то же время на обоснованные комментарии россиян и жителей СНГ, нередко выливаются ушаты помоев, даже когда их правота очевидна. Если я прав, то шутка удалась и для многих похвала из-за бугра ценнее трезвых и обоснованных рассуждений наших сограждан, что весьма прискорбно. Надеюсь, всё же, что я ошибаюсь и мой вывод лишь осеннее обострение паранойи laughing . I repeat: I do not want to offend anyone, I ask you not to take my words at your own expense and not to throw stones. drinks . Sincerely.

    Согласен полностью. Месье зарегистрировался 2-го ноября 2015 и "уже" генерал-майор!!

    Yes, here admins are so muddied that some have never dreamed of. Power however)))
  47. iouris
    iouris 12 November 2015 20: 53 New
    0
    And then they and we did not know about it! The default came back in December 2013.
  48. Stena
    Stena 12 November 2015 21: 44 New
    0
    The situation is not entirely clear. Default of Kiev? Is this not the default of Ukraine? Only one city? Then it's not scary. The fact is that we have a lot of regions in the pre-default state. About cities - in general, there is no question - if you do not take Moscow and St. Petersburg - without subsidies from the budget - we are all bankrupt. If anyone can explain the situation (with numbers, if possible) - I will be very grateful ... Thanks in advance for the answers.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 12 November 2015 21: 59 New
      0
      This is not a default of Kiev; a year and a half ago, the Ukrainian people defaulted. This is what I perceive as happening in Ukraine. hi