Depart from the rules for the sake of Kiev

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Depart from the rules for the sake of KievIf earlier in the press there were reports that the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation intends to sue Ukraine for 3 billion dollars in Kiev debts, now “informed sources” claim that Moscow is working on options for blocking the assistance program of the IMF Ukraine. The argument in the dispute is just the burning question of paying Eurobond debt to 3 billion.

In Andrew Mayeda’s article Bloomberg Business It is reported that Russia is “exploring” the possibilities of blocking the next tranche of loans from the International Monetary Fund to Ukraine. The reason for the blocking could be a dispute between Moscow and Kiev over the debt in the amount of 3 billion dollars. The “person familiar with the situation” told this to the correspondent.

Borrowing countries must demonstrate to the IMF that they can pay off debt to existing creditors. Fund rules prohibit lending to countries that have outstanding debts to official creditors. It is curious that in the near future the fund is going to discuss a change in its own policy (!) In order to remove the formal obstacles to lending to Ukraine. This was reported to the journalist "another person familiar with the situation."

That is, we note, the currency from the IMF can go to Kiev, even if it does not pay off the obligations to Moscow in December 2015.

Faced with such an interesting situation, the administration of Vladimir Putin is unlikely to be sure that Ukraine will pay its debt to Russia, the first source said. Russia could inform the IMF that Ukraine is acting in bad faith.

True, the Kremlin has not yet decided whether to go this way, the source said.

The amount that is "at stake" is 1,7 billion. That's exactly how much should Kiev receive from the IMF from the total planned aid in the amount of 17,5 billion.

The Kremlin strategy, if it is launched, is likely to meet opposition from the United States and its seven allies. These states advocate IMF assistance to Ukraine and collectively control the majority of votes in the Fund’s Executive Board.

But the Kremlin can get the support of major creditor countries - China and Saudi Arabia. Some of them may object to the "weakening" of the IMF policy.

Yet Russia's protests related to Ukraine’s debt in 3 billion are unlikely to be heard by the IMF, said Anders Aslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council in Washington. This debt Aslund does not consider "argument."

The press service of the Ministry of Finance of Russia did not immediately respond to a request to comment on the proposed strategy, notes the publication.

Russian Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak said on Tuesday that "we want to solve this problem without major consequences for Ukraine as a potential borrower in the financial markets." True, there are only two paths: either the court or the payment of a debt.

Jerry Rice, the chief representative of the fund, said earlier, on October 29, that the IMF board is expected to consider changing the lending policy in the “near future.”

The corresponding vote will be held this month, said the publication "a person familiar with this proposal."

Earlier, Russia promised to file a lawsuit against Ukraine if the administration of Petro Poroshenko announced a “default” on the loan. Putin’s government does not want to give in: after all, the United States and the European Union are not going to lift economic sanctions on Russia. This was reported to the correspondent by “a person familiar with the position of Russia”.

Debt payment is due 20 December 2015.

As for Washington’s behavior, a certain “US Treasury official” told reporters (at a briefing, but “on condition of anonymity”) that Ukraine had taken steps in accordance with the requirements of the IMF to resolve the debt crisis. And for the IMF is very important to continue to provide appropriate support to Ukraine.

A. Montanino, who participated in the IMF's Executive Council from 2012 to 2014, believes that if it comes to vote, Russia probably will not receive support from other member countries, even if “supposed allies” like China block the aid program Ukraine. "Russia will be isolated," said Montanino. By the way, this person is currently working as director of the program of global business and economics of the Atlantic Council (Washington, DC).

As indicated Interfax, Ukraine has recently restructured all issues of its Eurobonds, except for “Russian” (for the aforementioned amount of $ 3 billion). Russia did not participate in the restructuring, as it insisted on the redemption of bonds on time (December 20 2015 of the year).

Moscow believes that it is not a commercial lender and therefore cannot participate in the restructuring. But the IMF has not yet clarified whether it considers Ukraine’s debt to the Russian Federation commercial or official. Accordingly, it is not known whether a default on three billion dollars in debt (unless the rules of the fund are changed) can lead to the freezing of Ukraine’s lending program.

It looks like we’ll add that the IMF will “weaken” the policy and issue a credit tranche to Kiev. This assumption is supported by the fact that the mission of the International Monetary Fund began its work in Kiev. This is stated in the statement of the IMF representative in Ukraine Jerome Your, reports "Ukrinform".

“The mission of the International Monetary Fund, headed by Ron van Ruden, will begin work in Kiev on November 12. In continuation of the previous technical discussions that lasted from September 22 to October 2, the mission will hold further discussions at the political level with the Ukrainian authorities in the context of the program of economic reforms implemented with the support of the IMF, ”the agency’s permanent representative office in Ukraine quotes.

The above mentioned noted that cooperation between Ukraine and the IMF within the framework of the program of expanded financing depends on the further implementation of economic reforms in the country.

He did not say anything about Russia and the Ukrainian debt to it, as well as about the IMF credit rules.

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    1. +31
      13 November 2015 05: 55
      Debt payment is due 20 December 2015.

      The greed of the Americans rolls over, even they want to finance their own (organized by them) wars at someone else’s expense, and for this lousy money they are ready to change the laws of international organizations without any embarrassment to anyone. The main method in the competition is to crush a competitor by any means, without disdaining anything. Wolf laws.
      1. +16
        13 November 2015 06: 37
        There is still a resource of influence on Ukraine. Russia has not yet applied sanctions against it. If applied, then 17 billion will not help her.
        1. +10
          13 November 2015 06: 45
          I will be killed by the duplicity of any "infallible world institutions" -the war is coming, they say that it is not, dill in the default bubble will be delivered to them anyway, etc.
          1. +20
            13 November 2015 08: 48
            And it kills me why Russia is so sluggishly defending its interests! Why didn’t I demand the debt ahead of schedule, when Ukraine’s debt exceeded 50% of GDP.
            1. -3
              13 November 2015 10: 41
              yeah, and then the ruinia will collapse right away splashing its blood around. What do you propose to do with the 30 million who fled in different directions (primarily in the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan)?
            2. +2
              13 November 2015 13: 45
              I agree with you. But. Ukraine owes not only these 3 billion, but many more billions. There are so many that it is easier to say that Ukraine owes Russia a life. And this 3 billion was originally a bargaining chip. For the stakes are too high in the current geopolitical situation. So much so that this amount has no fundamental value. Of course, no one is going to forgive her either. But it seems to me that the amount was originally recorded as "acceptable financial loss". I think the situation will begin to clear up after the G20, where the president plans to clarify the positions of key opponents and partners on a wide range of issues, where Ukraine is just an episode. Then he will clarify a number of important issues in Tehran. And then we will see the actions. Including this debt. And to exacerbate the situation on this trifle until more important points are clarified is tactically wrong.
            3. 0
              13 November 2015 18: 28
              That's right - "sluggish". It means they cannot do otherwise, or do not want to .... The question is why?
            4. The comment was deleted.
            5. 0
              14 November 2015 08: 25
              Because they know that Ukraine will not give up.
              Well, what will you do in this case.
          2. avt
            +20
            13 November 2015 08: 57
            Quote: mirag2
            I will be killed by the duplicity of all "infallible world institutions" -

            Quote: Barboskin
            Again, international laws are not written for them! This is already tired!

            Quote: maikl50jrij
            Undoubtedly, the IMF will allocate money anyway.

            Oh, wei! Yes, for such a gesheft what private holders of a public debt do on Velikoukrov bonds, you can score all the benefits at once! wassat What is there not clear then? The club of amateurs and holders and recipients of interest on the debt paid from the tranches allocated by the IMF from San Francisco, well, just now Jareska was going there to shake things up, well, as looking after the serviceability of payments. the budget of the IMF and Ukraine, and through Ukraine. Who would refuse such money? Comrade Moses treated such a nipple with mud therapy - he buried all those who worshiped the golden calf near the ground, well, at least it is written in the Old Testament. already - money will be given to Ukraine just enough to make a gesheft on credits. ”Well, not to pour in there for the revival of the country, 150-200 yards at a time. wassat But when the pyramid rocks, it will become sad not in Ukraine, but in the IMF itself, and then it will stop. Everything else is an artistic whistle for "universal human values."
            1. 0
              13 November 2015 22: 19
              The fact that it’s downloaded is understandable, the question is when? and who then will return the money to us, otherwise you will have to go and take it yourself.
          3. +7
            13 November 2015 09: 42
            Quote: mirag2
            I will be killed by the duplicity of any "infallible world institutions" -the war is coming, they say that it is not, dill in the default bubble will be delivered to them anyway, etc.

            Quote: Stas157
            And it kills me why Russia is so sluggishly defending its interests! Why didn’t I demand the debt ahead of schedule, when Ukraine’s debt exceeded 50% of GDP.

            Look at it the other way. Why waste resources if the West eats itself? Now they turn a blind eye to the debt of Ukraine, do you think no one will take advantage of such a situation? This is the path to the collapse of the EU and the IMF. And we already have BRICS and other institutions prepared for this case. And most importantly, no one can reproach Russia with facts that it contributed to the collapse of the EU and the collapse of the United States. Time works for Russia.
            1. +2
              13 November 2015 19: 05
              Quote: Wend
              Now they turn a blind eye to the debt of Ukraine, do you think no one will take advantage of such a situation?

              That's right!
              Simply, continuing to give bankruptcy loans, the IMF directly shows shareholders that it is throwing their money away.
              Ah, are there the main role Americans play? Well, master, master. Let them contain their banderlogs on their own, and for others, the signal should be brought down from this structure.
              Moreover, now new financial institutions are starting to appear in the world: BRICS Bank, Asian Development Bank and others.
              Banderlog same refusal to repay a loan is not necessary to rejoice. Default is the strongest brake on investment, and Amer’s handouts will be sufficient only in order not to exhaust the very Kuev figures who are now in the process of sharing, cutting, etc.
          4. +2
            13 November 2015 10: 06
            mirag2
            dough they will be delivered anyway, etc.


            .... so this is exactly ... and the whole catch ..... the ruin will gobble up more money ... than the PSSh ... they will draw! The Ukrainian economy has been slipping .... over the past 23 years, Wishlist, respectively ... increased. The content of such a number (40 million) of "thirsty" is enough. problematic to put it mildly ... but paradise according to the words of the "blessed opposition" ... was not far away ... what she did in 2 years of her influences .... Everyone is present (yes, the one who sees will see ...) fellow
          5. +2
            13 November 2015 10: 39
            so the imported loot will be drank right away by those who imported that you think the money will only be stolen by petro with friends? Yes, if at least half of this money comes to the ruin, it will be very good.
          6. +3
            13 November 2015 11: 45
            the Fashtons are full masters of their word, make up rules, then they themselves violate their own rules))) it’s very nice of them
          7. +4
            13 November 2015 13: 16
            Quote: mirag2
            I will be killed by the duplicity of any "infallible world institutions" -the war is coming, they say that it is not, dill in the default bubble will be delivered to them anyway


            IMHO, the fact is that no one is going to "save" the former Ukraine. The next tranche to the country 404, with its available external total debt of $ 70 billion, is another nail in the coffin. Western and overseas banks are not fools and not altruistic benefactors, and Ukraine, as a country, is not "nast", but as land, mineral resources, geopolitical and military base site "nast". So the "hook" is being swallowed deeper and deeper by the Svidomo, only now the Taras and Ondriyas will have to pay with the Odarkas with their own skins, when the Waltsmans, Yatsenyuks, Avakovs, Turchinovs and Timoshenkos slip into their comfortable chalets along with sickly bills stolen from the allocated trenches. Yes
      2. +4
        13 November 2015 12: 41
        All this notorious "restructuring" simply led to a stretch in the maturity of loans and, as a result, an increase in the total amount of interest payments. That is, Ukraine continues to enslave its own people, its children, grandchildren, etc. in front of international capital. And these, if they already grabbed the throat, will not let go ...
      3. +3
        13 November 2015 13: 37
        Quote: *
        ... so much should get Kiev from the IMF

        How is that?
      4. 0
        14 November 2015 00: 09
        live with wolves, howl like a wolf ................ but it’s too great an honor for them to be called wolves, jackalomidassonogeny !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
    2. +8
      13 November 2015 05: 56
      What about a soldering iron in the anus, and ironing on the tummy? Or is it not humane ...
      1. +5
        13 November 2015 10: 02
        Quote: papont64
        What about a soldering iron in the anus, and ironing on the tummy? Or is it not humane.


        It’s not humane to use electrical appliances, to the existing debt it’s also winding for the light!
      2. +3
        13 November 2015 10: 41
        Quote: papont64
        What about a soldering iron in the anus, and ironing on the tummy? Or is it not humane ...

        Well, for some reason. Ironically, the soldering iron is now gas, you can even creatively torture it with a pattern.
    3. +6
      13 November 2015 06: 02
      Quote: papont64
      soldering iron in the anus

      Moreover, the handle in the anus and a hot sting out. That would not work out ... laughing
    4. +14
      13 November 2015 06: 03
      They will not give back the debt, it was immediately clear, and they would go to any tricks and revisions, in short, these disassemblies should be kept for years, 3 billion were gone.
      1. +5
        13 November 2015 06: 08
        Again, international laws are not written for them! This is already tired!
    5. +5
      13 November 2015 06: 05
      Undoubtedly, the IMF will provide the money anyway. If it suddenly happens that the Russian Federation still blocks the tranche, the face of the IMF (USA) will be "broken" and the image will be lost!
    6. +17
      13 November 2015 06: 05
      Russia's refusal to return (restructuring) the debt of Ukraine would mean encouraging Ukrainians to continue the war in the Donbass.
    7. +12
      13 November 2015 06: 07
      And what did the world community say if Russia were in a debtor situation instead of Ukraine? Well ... your thoughts !!! I believe that we would be blinded at all levels according to the full scheme !! am
      1. +3
        13 November 2015 06: 18
        Russia is not the USSR and what is allowed to Jupiter ... then you know
        1. 0
          13 November 2015 11: 07
          Allowed, allowed, but if there is no use for the bull, - for meat! am
        2. 0
          13 November 2015 14: 48
          Quote: onix757
          what is allowed to jupiter

          That's what the bear puts in the squat Yes
    8. +19
      13 November 2015 06: 11
      Well, the situation is very clear, and the IMF will be ruined, and Ukraine will still default.
      I want to give, I want to, I don’t give. The IMF undermines the confidence of the participating countries. Well, we’ll survive the figs, the role of the BRICS bank will only grow. Moreover, I don’t remember the countries that flourished after the IMF.
      Primakov refused to act on recipes IMF-glory to him!
    9. +16
      13 November 2015 06: 13
      Faster Russia will be asked from the IMF than the interests of the United States and its allies will be violated. All of these layouts are weightless.
      _____________________________
      Anecdote of the day from the LADY: "United Russia is a people's party"
      1. +6
        13 November 2015 07: 59
        Quote: onix757
        Anecdote of the day from the LADY: "United Russia is a people's party"

        It claims to be the shortest (and most accurate) joke.
      2. 0
        13 November 2015 16: 24
        Quote: onix757
        Anecdote of the day from the LADY: "United Russia is a people's party"
    10. +10
      13 November 2015 06: 15
      America and the IMF are profitable to have such mongrels like the leadership of Ukraine,
      who spat on their people for their own benefit ...
      1. +3
        13 November 2015 10: 33
        Sorry, but who is a "real Ukrainian"?
        Don't you think it's a myth?
        1. +5
          13 November 2015 13: 40
          Ukrainian is a Russian man, a Slav living on the western edge of the former Russian Empire. (The prevailing mass).
          Something like that, if to the point. laughing

          And there is a terrifying number of Jews who organized this whole mess.
    11. +11
      13 November 2015 06: 15
      Not having claimed debt from Ukraine, we finance the war in the Donbas.
    12. +4
      13 November 2015 06: 25
      this hohlyatsky need becomes gold ...
    13. +4
      13 November 2015 06: 41
      Well, what can you do for your own Son of a Son?
      You can change the rules of the game!
      This is Tse - Europe + Tse - America!
    14. +11
      13 November 2015 06: 52
      I will not be surprised if Russia does not receive its debt, and Ukraine receives the next tranche. This is not surprising, because our country has not fully managed its own finances for a long time. I hope that during my lifetime I will see Russia financially independent, as before.
    15. +7
      13 November 2015 06: 54
      The fact is that if your opponent in chess changes the rules during the course of the game, then all you have to do is grab the board, knock over the pieces and start hitting the opponent on the head with this board. So there will be something more "funny" in Ukraine.
    16. +11
      13 November 2015 06: 55
      Trying to build a market economy, our government plays according to the rules of the West, hoping that they are gentlemen, and they just change the rules of the game when it comes to Putin and Medvedev that until they control the game they won. You have to make your game with your own rules.
      1. +3
        13 November 2015 09: 08
        Quote: Alex66
        when it comes to Putin and Medvedev that until they control the game they won’t win.

        Do they need it? And who said that these games are not theirs either?
      2. +4
        13 November 2015 10: 21
        Old anecdote:
        Vasily Ivanovich arrives from England with a suitcase of money.
        Petka - How did you manage it.
        IN AND. - sat down to play cards (poker), man, they call it a gentleman, says "I have a square!" I say - show me! He replies, "Gentlemen take each other's word!"
        AND THERE HERE FUCKED ME !!!

        This is due to the fact that for some reason our leaders are trying their best to play according to the rules with SCHULERS. And it is necessary to immediately respond to the scam with candelabra in the impudent face ...
      3. +1
        13 November 2015 13: 02
        Quote: Alex66
        Trying to build a market economy
        That is, they are engaged in chrematistics.
        Aristotle studies the economic organization of contemporary society and comes to the conclusion that the economic activity of people can be divided into economic activities (as Xenophon defined it) and chrematistics. Economy is a natural economic activity associated with the production of products necessary for life. The limits of this activity are the reasonable personal consumption of a person. Chrematism is the art of making a fortune. "In the art of making a fortune, since it affects trading activities, there is never a limit to achieving a goal, since the goal here is unlimited wealth and possession of money."
    17. +2
      13 November 2015 07: 01
      Let the money give for Khokhloma and all. Zadolbali scum. But the outskirts, let them live as they want. I feel sorry for the people. But they chose it.
    18. +3
      13 November 2015 07: 07
      "Wonderful" picture of the world: Dzhareska broadcasts that Russia will receive its money, If: 1) behaves well; 2) the payment will be signed by the USA and the IMF; 3) ... and not completely ... A refund is possible only in exchange for betraying Russia's national interests ...
    19. +4
      13 November 2015 07: 09
      Well, they’ve completely gone wild. As for asking to lower the price of gas, they almost rush into tears and run to their uncle, complain about the evil Russians. They don’t let them live and make them pay for gas. There is no money, there is no gas and electricity .But I understand that ordinary people in / in Ukraine will suffer. And Potroshenko, you need to gut his little egg and take his Lipetsk confectionery factory and other business that he has in our Russia to the treasury. mother to open his mouth.
      1. +5
        13 November 2015 09: 10
        Quote: Hagreebarg
        But I understand that ordinary people in / in Ukraine will suffer.

        One should think about ordinary people in Russia, and not about some people there, including "in / on".
    20. 0
      13 November 2015 07: 10
      Well, they’ve completely gone wild. As for asking to lower the price of gas, they almost rush into tears and run to their uncle, complain about the evil Russians. They don’t let them live and make them pay for gas. There is no money, there is no gas and electricity .But I understand that ordinary people in / in Ukraine will suffer. And Potroshenko, you need to gut his little egg and take his Lipetsk confectionery factory and other business that he has in our Russia to the treasury. mother to open his mouth.
      1. +1
        13 November 2015 09: 11
        Quote: Hagreebarg
        sow

        Twice, treze.
    21. +4
      13 November 2015 07: 36
      I have no doubt that the IMF will make a decision according to the rule: If you can't, but you want to, then you can. Prostitution and hypocrisy are the basic values ​​of the "civilized" world.
    22. +5
      13 November 2015 07: 37
      The fact that the tranche will be sent to Ukraine, I think there should be no illusions. He will be directed. Do not forget whose IMF and for whom it works. Ukraine afloat, even in the form of a piece of a known substance, the hegemon is very necessary to support. The question is what measures do the Russian Federation and China have on a similar case with respect to the IMF, some joint operations on which the latter depend heavily, etc. How can Russia repay its loan besides Ukraine? Those who changed the rules of the IMF and took responsibility. With regard to Ukraine, it does not make sense to seek anything from it itself - an independent player has not been an independent player for a long time, and whether there has ever been independence there for 23 years.
    23. +2
      13 November 2015 08: 55
      "Abidna, huh?" It was predictable.
      Debt is debt. Excess pressure lever does not hurt. Remember when the royal debts were paid to the French.
      A double edged sword. And the change in IMF rules for the sake of Ukraine will sooner or later hit him.
      1. +2
        13 November 2015 09: 12
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Debt is debt. Excess pressure lever does not hurt.

        Who should? That's who should, he has a lever.
    24. +4
      13 November 2015 09: 27
      It seems to me that with Ukraine's default and the decision to continue financing the IMF "independent" is the time to think about the state's nationalization of our Central Bank.
    25. +3
      13 November 2015 09: 32
      It's time to change our spineless "tandem", otherwise all sorts of "dwarfs" and "pygmies" will be poking us around endlessly, all and sundry.
    26. +2
      13 November 2015 09: 43
      When ours laid this mine, I hope they all figured out. Now you have to stand to the end.
    27. +1
      13 November 2015 09: 49
      Payment will be, but then they will interfere with the rules. If there is no payment, the IMF will collapse and take away the US dollar, which they will not allow, since this is the security of their country plus its impact on the world. Better (I emphasize) to write off this money, which they will do. But there is one thing, but how to stay with a face and show your strength (i.e. to us - Russia). Now they are losing. The question is what our Government of the Russian Federation and the political leadership of the country will oppose to them. And the arguments should not be simple - iron and reinforced concrete, but short and deadly. What can shake their financial system !!!!!
    28. +1
      13 November 2015 09: 50
      Well, what is it-Ukraine turns on a bolt such a sharaga like the IMF ??? Or is it the "roof" that keeps this organization for Faberge
    29. +2
      13 November 2015 10: 03
      Imagine if politicians paid for stupid politics out of pocket. Estimate, now for example at a dummy to subtract 3 billion from own accounts. I suppose we’d go to Kiev — they would be the whole Kodla, and they would smash it out — they would be happy to guard, and would pay off the debt in half an hour.
      state money (that is, national money) can be forgiven.
    30. +2
      13 November 2015 10: 37
      You can look at everything from the other side - for 3 lard dollars, change the rules in the IMF - it's even better than returning the Crimea.
      Just imagine that Russia decided to change the rules of the game there (in the IMF). We would spend all our gold reserves, but we would not have achieved anything.
      And then the Americans with songs soldier voluntarily!
    31. 0
      13 November 2015 10: 42
      Putin will do it right !!! Washed no guessing.
    32. +1
      13 November 2015 10: 53
      And it kills me why Russia is so sluggishly defending its interests! Why didn’t I demand the debt ahead of schedule, when Ukraine’s debt exceeded 50% of GDP.

      Because in Ukraine, a lot belongs to Russian oligarchs. For them, the economic strangulation of Ukraine is "a shot in the foot."
      On the other hand, a sharp deterioration in the economy will lead to a change of government and not the fact that adequate people will come to the leadership. Most likely it will be frank scumbags.
      As long as there is no possibility of sane politicians coming to power in Ukraine, in relations with Ukraine Russia will remain in a situation of "execution cannot be pardoned."
    33. 0
      13 November 2015 11: 10
      And not to give money, and not to declare a default. Everything in their style
    34. +2
      13 November 2015 11: 33
      Fine. There is a beggar - Ukraine. There is a guarantee - the IMF. There is a creditor
      Russia. Some gave money, others received, everyone is happy.
      It's time to repay the debt, it happens. Ukraine begins to yell that money is not
      that system, the shish will give. The guarantor begins to whine: yes you would forgive
      flawed, what to take from them, but do not forgive, so blame yourself for your stupidity, but
      we wash our hands. Russia - help, good people, rob!
      And after that, the IMF is called an international organization! Ordinary kidalovo,
      only countries and peoples, and the Soros gang around the corner divides our money!
      1. 0
        13 November 2015 13: 47
        According to the laws and concepts, the guarantor must pay. laughing
        In general, bydlyatina in the west is completely insolent.
        Only on the teeth!
        Once you give it hard and there will be no more applicants. Westerners, though infinitely arrogant, but thoroughly cowardly.
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    35. 0
      13 November 2015 11: 52
      If the IMF and the Americans depart from their own rules and change them for a particular country, then they really need this country or a certain situation in it.

      I'm just interested in something else: well, they will continue to give them money. But not permanently? Someday they will stop giving money, and protecting, and so on. Any love goes away. Any project ends. And when the project "Ukraine" ends, what will the Ukrainians do? After all, they will become simply bought slaves. The leadership will run away, he doesn't care about the inhabitants. But the inhabitants will turn from ideological slaves into real ones. So, what is next? Russia will definitely get its own. But "these" will get something completely different, not expected and in no way their own in their interpretation.
    36. HAM
      +9
      13 November 2015 12: 13
      ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE INTERNET SCREAM OF THE COLLECTOR'S SOUL!
    37. 0
      13 November 2015 13: 09
      all this posturing and politicking. They won’t go anywhere and return the money. that would not be carried from the United States but decisions are not made in the State Department. And those who manage the money are unlikely to make any dubious changes in favor of the debtor who really has nothing to take, except for chernozem.
    38. +1
      13 November 2015 13: 20
      All these IMF, WTO, all kinds of courts, ratings, etc. Americans created for themselves and why is it surprising that they make all the decisions there. The principle of "divide and rule" has not yet been canceled, therefore, at the instigation of the United States and the Slavs, the Slavs and Arabs are beaten by the Arabs, and the Americans stand aside and promote their interests, rowing the loot, and by proxy. And this is not their merit, it is our fault.
    39. +1
      13 November 2015 13: 30
      It’s time for Khokhlam to chop everything off in figs, not a dime, not a cubic meter, not a megawatt !!! All at all! Ask, but what about ordinary people, I’ll answer for myself, the Ukrainians made a choice on the Independence Square! Now let them dissipate everything themselves, they Europa, let her help them!
    40. 0
      13 November 2015 13: 37
      Of course, rare specialists in the IMF, if they want to help Ukraine, let it be written off from Russia and hang on Khokhland
    41. 0
      13 November 2015 14: 05
      But I didn’t understand something ... Well, they will change the rules of the fund. And what, the rules will immediately be retroactive? The problem is ripe under the old rules
    42. 0
      13 November 2015 14: 49
      How will the IMF not give money to its gang? They change all their rules, but the time will come and they will declare Bandera terrorists and will bomb like ISIS.
      because the United States and the European Union are not going to lift economic sanctions from Russia.

      If the EU does not lift sanctions this year, then next year the EU will no longer be, refugees will eat the EU. Now they are groaning, but all need to be fed, treated, dressed and provided housing.
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        13 November 2015 15: 42
        It has long been clear that the current Kiev regime is only a puppet in the hands of the United States, the EU, and Israel created to weaken our country, incite discontent among the population and provoke fratricidal war between the Slavs. And these countries will do everything possible to step over any rules and rewrite any laws just to maintain a hotbed of tension near our country.
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      13 November 2015 16: 16
      The funny thing in this story is that you will have to repay debts once, and even with interest. The economy in Ukraine has almost collapsed, GDP is falling, the hryvnia has fallen. The poor Ukrainian people, who will live on credit and poverty in the aftermath of time. Jumped.
    44. 0
      13 November 2015 16: 55
      A few days ago, the news came on the radio that the US Treasury turned to Russia with a request to restructure the debt of Ukraine, saying that in this case the IMF could give her another loan and then she could pay off her debt (the latter is unlikely to me personally). And it also sounded that in case of refusal to repay the debt, Ukraine will not be given money because existing IMF rules do not allow this for a country with arrears ...
    45. 0
      13 November 2015 17: 25
      Quote: venaya
      Debt payment is due 20 December 2015.

      The greed of the Americans rolls over, even they want to finance their own (organized by them) wars at someone else’s expense, and for this lousy money they are ready to change the laws of international organizations without any embarrassment to anyone. The main method in the competition is to crush a competitor by any means, without disdaining anything. Wolf laws.

      All this, except for one thing, the "elves" and created the IMF to hook the needy countries on the financial hook, and then their corporations come and grab the country for next to nothing, and put their people at the helm through whom they dictate their will.
      So they parted such a plan and in Russia in the 90s if the Most Unimpressed hadn’t come and would have paid the debts (oil prices were on our side then), but they stubbornly didn’t want to accept an early debt, but we repaid it.
      p / s. Here is such a PENDO-ECONOMIC zagagulin. wassat feel
    46. +1
      13 November 2015 17: 35
      Quote: Stas157
      And it kills me why Russia is so sluggishly defending its interests! Why didn’t I demand the debt ahead of schedule, when Ukraine’s debt exceeded 50% of GDP.

      Surprisingly, the inability of our government to protect Russia's financial interests abroad. That debts will be forgiven, then for the "Mistral" they barely got it, and without any penalties. Now the story with Ukraine is probably forgiven!
      And how to "rob" the native people, the government is there. And the tariffs, fines, and heavy vehicles will now take money. Okay, on special private roads, but on public federal roads (and the owners have already paid road tax). according to the consumer's wallet, everything will rise in price. negative hi
    47. -2
      13 November 2015 17: 36
      "M..ku on gilyak, Putin .... la-la la ..." (c). Bombed Donbass with ongoing provocations ... Is this the basis for debt forgiveness? This is the basis for finishing off Banderia until it dies! Otherwise, Russia is doomed to have a stinking Bandera cesspool like a weight on its feet. I believe that the Chekists have never been suckers, including Putin! It is not possible and will not succeed in putting 40 million backsliders on the neck of Russia, eating at Russian expense and hating Russia. Well, it won't work! Let them pay what the pigs are supposed to pay. The Ukrainian women on the track will be slimmer, earning a "hair diploma", like their entire pseudo-state, based on the ideology of fallen women!
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      13 November 2015 19: 44
      but for now we did not wait for happiness from Ukraine in the form of 3 yards of greenery, Russia began to pay compensation to the former shareholders of Yukos)
      It's about distribution 337 million. The owners of ordinary shares and depositary receipts of the company issued from July 2, 2003 to November 28, 2007 inclusive are entitled to compensation.
    49. 0
      14 November 2015 17: 03
      If the IMF changes its rules and lends to Ukraine, which does not repay its debt in the 3 rd lard of Russia, then this will be a precedent for everyone and any country that received a loan can now refer to this precedent and not pay debts under any far-fetched pretext, these are the rules in a European court and then what will begin?

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