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The future is merciless. Couch experts and geopolitics

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There are people who lazily read a couple of stateteks in the evening after work on beer and already have a “very clear” opinion about everything.


The future is merciless. Couch experts and geopoliticsIn geopolitics, as in chess, haste and adventurism do not lead to anything good. If you play against a strong opponent, but try to put him a “childish” mate, he will first simply push the knight, neutralizing your threat, then force your pieces moving too far without covering to retreat, and while you save them, he will develop positions it turns out that you haven’t done almost anything yet, and your opponent has more than half of the board under control.

I understand the children's enthusiasm to solve everything with cavalry, as in the unforgettable DMB. And we must “bahn”, but then.



And before you bang, you need to carefully think through everything. Because the consequences of wrong actions in such cases will be, at a minimum, a long-term occupation followed by plunder (like defeating the USSR in the Cold War) or complete annihilation of the Russian statehood and the disappearance of Russians from the face of the earth, as has happened to many other nations that have suffered civilizational defeat .

Decisions in such a big country like Russia are always made not by one person (whatever liberals and others maydanut about Putin’s tyranny do not rave about), and not arbitrarily, but on the basis of several intelligence reports and the work of a number of research and analytical institutions.

And even many employees of these specialized departments are not always able to put together a complete picture, because often they collect information in their narrow direction. Already different people put together mosaic elements.

I, in spite of my involvement in the activities of RISS and a number of other analytical groups, do not have all the information. And even such a recognized orientalist as Yevgeny Satanovsky, who came to most of the offices, recently admitted that he also did not have complete information about the reasons for the evacuation of Russian and British citizens from Egypt.

A fairly complete picture can (except Putin) have such people as Bortnikov, Fradkov, Patrushev, Ivanov, Shoigu and a few more people. But they have no right to tell you all the information, and therefore they will never tell. As the saying goes, "Who knows - silent, who does not know - tryndit."

But taxi drivers, pensioners on the benches in the park and the network hamsters are the most knowledgeable and know exactly how to manage the state. Usually it is their “best way” and it comes down to “you have to bang urgently”. In the USA, for example, the overwhelming majority of those who supported “it is necessary to bang across Syria” could not even show it on the world map. I think that among the Russian sofa "experts" the situation is not much better.

So I can argue at Hennessy that the overwhelming majority of those who yell about Donbass merge will not be able to indicate either the number of militia, the names of key officers, nor the number and types of weapons, nor other similar information. And in the economic channel, it is no better - they will not be able to answer how many medium and large enterprises of Donbass are currently working, how many workers are employed, what their monthly turnover is, what is the mass of rubles in the region, and so on. Again, none of them says and does not write about the fact that utility payments in Donetsk and Lugansk are far below Ukrainian today. For hysterics and panic, accurate information is not needed, in general, no information is needed.

Mr. Strelkov, for example, the other day received accurate information about how many sorties the Russian Air Force carried out in Syria, how many of them hit the targets and what the total result was. And immediately he stopped writing “everything was lost,” and was forced to admit that aviation Works with amazing efficiency. And the successes of the Syrian army in the offensive are evident - the unblocking of the Kveiris airbase alone, which has been surrounded for two and a half years (!), Is very significant.

Let those who, with a silly malice ask why the militia did not take Mariupol, show me on a topographic map how they would then be going to build a defense of the city against a possible counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. After all, ours would have to take the city in the melee, clean it, using only small arms, and the punishers would not bother and fired at it just like the other Donbas cities. And the terrain there is such that to protect the city from shelling is extremely inconvenient, and the existing militia forces are almost impossible. But the sofa "experts" did not see these cards.

Meanwhile, the cable for the power supply of the Crimea from “mainland” Russia is ending and right away, literally today, on November 11, electricity supplies from Russia to Ukraine are stopped. Gas supplies, according to Novak, will also be terminated by Saturday.

The IMF mission to Ukraine is “delayed”, every day coming up with new conditions, requirements and excuses not to come. Restructuring is still not. And December, when you have to pay your debt, is getting closer. Inside the Kiev junta split, there is a quiet war of all against all (the latest information about this in my other article), in Ukraine, more and more dissatisfied with this regime.

It is simply unrealistic (and often unsafe for people in Ukraine) to lay out all the information coming to me through various channels. Therefore, it is necessary to give only the most important thing, to say only what can be voiced.

There are people who sit tightly on the flow of information, have an extensive insight, and they constantly consult each other, enriching their vision. And they form their point of view on the basis of processing large volumes of information.

And there are people who lazily read a couple of posts in the evening after work under beer (preferably short and not burdened with numbers and details), and already have an “extremely clear” opinion about everything. And when they begin to broadcast this opinion, approximately in the format “all around are Cardinal's guardsmen, I am Boyarsky alone” while muddling Russian authorities, scientific environment, expert community, special services and the state apparatus, then guess who looks like complete idiots?
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  1. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 November 2015 17: 30 New
    14
    Petka wait to wave your saber (we’ll have time to chop))))
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 13 November 2015 17: 35 New
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      It is clear that not all experts comment on all the articles (Those have no interest and time for this). Here in VO people express their emotions, thoughts based on what they know, see (thanks to your articles, TV) and how they relate to it! Naturally, ordinary people cannot see the fullness of the picture (especially if it is secret). thus, looking at other opinions, learning more, they try to put together a more or less acceptable picture for understanding! So do not blame even those sitting on the couch, drinking beer! Many here do it, but try to figure it out! Of course there are evil teenagers-pranksters, there are also who "immediately - to bang, the whole world - to dust!"
      1. Temples
        Temples 13 November 2015 17: 37 New
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        guess who the part looks like full of idiots?

        Yes, the one who makes such mistakes in his opus. wink
        But at the same time, people rush at people and forbid them to express their opinions.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 13 November 2015 18: 02 New
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          Quote: Temples
          guess who the part looks like full of idiots?

          Yes, the one who makes such mistakes in his opus. wink


          When you have no real arguments in an Internet dispute, you start digging into spelling!
          This is the law of online disputes!
          From the outside it looks awful!
          1. Temples
            Temples 13 November 2015 18: 18 New
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            When in an internet dispute

            What ???
            In a dispute?
            At least two opponents are involved in a dispute.

            In the article, the author simply walked over those whom he considers below his "level of expert competence."
            You read:
            -
            And there are people who lazily read a couple of posts in the evening after work under beer (preferably short and not burdened with numbers and details), and already have an “extremely clear” opinion about everything. And when they begin to broadcast this opinion, approximately in the format “all around are Cardinal's guardsmen, I am Boyarsky alone” while muddling Russian authorities, scientific environment, expert community, special services and the state apparatus, then guess who looks like complete idiots?

            Do you meet many similar on this site ???
            Who does he relate to this category?
            After all, he addresses us with this message.
            Nothing except disgust such a pathos of the author does not cause me.
            Here, not generalists gathered, but ordinary people.

            And the author finishes exactly as it should.
            "Expert" himself makes a banal mistake in the letter.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 13 November 2015 18: 55 New
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              Quote: Temples

              Do you meet many similar on this site ???
              Who does he relate to this category?
              After all, he addresses us with this message.
              Nothing except disgust such a pathos of the author does not cause me.
              Here, not generalists gathered, but ordinary people.

              And the author finishes exactly as it should.
              "Expert" himself makes a banal mistake in the letter.


              I’m an opponent with you in this matter.
              I believe that here there are such a beer - percent 90%.
              Blurred-flicked.
              Cons, pluses arranged.
              Beer grinded and good.
              Any information should give write for the mind, move to reflection. The search for information is already on its own.
              Learn to study analysis, so to speak.
              Of course, due to its capabilities.

              I am interested in reading the source. Then I can go far from them for a few hours. :)
              Because I'm interested in looking for information.
              Read 3-4 thousands of posts on any forum, for the sake of 3-5 really interesting? Yes, and it happens.
              But information is interesting!

              And there are others.
              Bryak-idiot!
              I’m out of the way with them.
            2. opus
              opus 13 November 2015 18: 59 New
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              Quote: Temples
              In the article, the author simply walked over those whom he considers below his "level of expert competence."

              I agree.
              Quote: Author Alexander Rogers
              Let those who with silly malice asks why the militia did not take Mariupolwill show me on a topographic map, how would they be going to build a defense of the city from a possible counterattack of the Armed Forces in this case. After all, ours would have to take the city in close combat, clean it, using only small arms, and the punishers would not bother and fired at it in the same way as fired at other cities of Donbass. And the terrain there is such that it is extremely inconvenient to defend the city from shelling, and it is almost impossible to use the available militia forces. But the sofa “experts” did not see these cards in their eyes.
              .


              In how.
              and here? 06/09/2014, CAM, he himself proposes urgently to take Mariupol







              But isn’t the sex expert Sashko Rogers broadcasting?


              And he prophesies, either from the kitchen, or from the sofa, then
              1. Dyagilev
                Dyagilev 13 November 2015 20: 12 New
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                “Who knows - is silent, who does not know - tryndit” Why did the author not want this quote in the title of the article?
                1. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 13 November 2015 20: 40 New
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                  So I can argue at Hennessy that the overwhelming majority of those who yell about Donbass merge will not be able to indicate either the number of militia, the names of key officers, nor the number and types of weapons, nor other similar information. And in the economic channel, it is no better - they will not be able to answer how many medium and large enterprises of Donbass are currently working, how many workers are employed, what their monthly turnover is, what is the mass of rubles in the region, and so on. Again, none of them says and does not write about the fact that utility payments in Donetsk and Lugansk are far below Ukrainian today. For hysterics and panic, accurate information is not needed, in general, no information is needed.


                  Rogers, you got a bottle of Hennessey laughing lol
                2. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 13 November 2015 20: 54 New
                  +3
                  Meanwhile, the cable for the power supply of the Crimea from “mainland” Russia is ending and right away, literally today, on November 11, electricity supplies from Russia to Ukraine are stopped. Gas supplies, according to Novak, will also be terminated by Saturday.


                  Why, the author does not indicate the power line ??
                  And the fact that in Crimea there will be blackouts, until 2017-18 ???


                  The capacity of the first stage of the energy bridge from the Krasnodar Territory to Crimea along the bottom of the Kerch Strait will be 350-400 MW, according to the order of the Russian government, published on the official Internet portal of legal information.
                  The customer is the Russian Energy Agency. According to Belenky, in accordance with the Federal Target Program, construction should be carried out until 2017, the second phase will increase supplies to 800-840 MW. Now Crimea is 70% dependent on electricity supplies from Ukraine.
                  1. Throw
                    Throw 14 November 2015 01: 45 New
                    +5
                    The author in this opus wrote ABOUT YOURSELF! laughing
                    Scratching .... under piffko he showed obvious things under the sauce of his own superiority and imaginary awareness.

                    He hardly understands what MW is, the consumed, peak, reserve capacity, whether it is possible to generate and transfer them, is unlikely to name the trade balance and the turnover rate of the commodity and money supply of Donbass, without which knowing the volume of the latter is nothing ..

                    So Hennessy will not)))
                3. sovetskyturist
                  sovetskyturist 14 November 2015 01: 59 New
                  +1
                  there is one author on yotube here a good movie about couch troops https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCslBMPa_s-oWvX1sCifZQ4w
              2. I am Russian
                I am Russian 13 November 2015 20: 46 New
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                Let those who, with a silly malice ask why the militia did not take Mariupol, show me on a topographic map how they would then be going to build a defense of the city against a possible counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. After all, ours would have to take the city in the melee, clean it, using only small arms, and the punishers would not bother and fired at it just like the other Donbas cities. And the terrain there is such that to protect the city from shelling is extremely inconvenient, and the existing militia forces are almost impossible. But the sofa "experts" did not see these cards.


                National battalions, namely they were in Mariupol - fled from the city as soon as the southern front fell down !!!! Further, having cleared the city, it was necessary to recruit replenishment and move on. Given the sufficient quantity of weapons in the militia !!
              3. I am Russian
                I am Russian 13 November 2015 20: 46 New
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                Let those who, with a silly malice ask why the militia did not take Mariupol, show me on a topographic map how they would then be going to build a defense of the city against a possible counterattack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. After all, ours would have to take the city in the melee, clean it, using only small arms, and the punishers would not bother and fired at it just like the other Donbas cities. And the terrain there is such that to protect the city from shelling is extremely inconvenient, and the existing militia forces are almost impossible. But the sofa "experts" did not see these cards.


                National battalions, namely they were in Mariupol - fled from the city as soon as the southern front fell down !!!! Further, having cleared the city, it was necessary to recruit replenishment and move on. Given the sufficient quantity of weapons in the militia !!
              4. vladimir_krm
                vladimir_krm 14 November 2015 15: 47 New
                +3
                Rogers is an interesting author, but he can distort in order to please the situation. For instance:

                "Meanwhile, they finish pulling the cable for power supply to Crimea from the" mainland "Russia and immediately, literally today, November 11, the supply of electricity from Russia to Ukraine ceases."

                Everything is beautiful, if you do not know that the supply of electricity is stopped at the initiative of Kiev ... and that the cables to the Crimea will not work soon.
            3. I am Russian
              I am Russian 13 November 2015 20: 57 New
              +3
              The IMF mission to Ukraine is “delayed”, every day coming up with new conditions, requirements and excuses not to come. Restructuring is still not. And December, when you have to pay your debt, is getting closer. Inside the Kiev junta split, there is a quiet war of all against all (the latest information about this in my other article), in Ukraine, more and more dissatisfied with this regime.


              You say it here !!

              News from the militia of New Russia
              13.11.15. Message from the militia of Horlivka.

              “The situation is still turbulent near Dzerzhinsk, dill continues to be fired from a mortar, supports BMPs and ATGMs. Now the tracer, the lighting, the breaks on the Broad Balka are in full swing. The northern direction is the battle, the rifle, the breaks. At 20:13 - outbreaks (gaps) moved east, closer to the dachas, flies far away from residential areas. 82mm mortars, AGS and ATGMs are heard between Shirokaya Balka and Novgorod. There were 2 bahs in the south-west. Positions in Verhnetoretsky and Novgorod were active. CGR, Builder , Korolenko, Ozyeryanovka, 88th hear a powerful sweeping. Today, near Uglegorsk, Ukrainians have covered our positions from the Akatsiya self-propelled guns. They report two dead. "

              A message from the militia with the call sign "Angel": "Novgorod, a tight battle. Gorlovka, mortars, rifle. A mortar is being thrown at the Donetsk AP today. They see that they again brought the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the“ exercises. " - rifle with the use of short-range machine guns. "
          2. I am Russian
            I am Russian 13 November 2015 20: 37 New
            +1
            "Again, 25."
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          4. tolian
            tolian 13 November 2015 21: 30 New
            +1
            Note that spelling people DO NOT DISPUTE with the illiterate. Slowing them down - it happens.
        2. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 32 New
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          Quote: Temples
          guess who the part looks like full of idiots?

          Yes, the one who makes such mistakes in his opus. wink
          But at the same time, people rush at people and forbid them to express their opinions.

          Quote: Some clever man
          Run out of arguments? Nothing to cover? I want to reserve the last word?
          Until @ be your companion to spell, you can not do anything more
        3. K-36
          K-36 13 November 2015 18: 49 New
          +1
          SW Temples. But what if it's not a secret, you didn’t like the text you selected "... looks like complete idiots" what ??
          Yours faithfully, hi
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 13 November 2015 21: 02 New
            +3
            It will be more correct look
            But spelling is really not a matter of discussion.
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 13 November 2015 22: 28 New
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              Quote: Dart2027
              It will look more correct
              But spelling is really not a matter of discussion.

              The funny thing about this spelling dispute is that according to the rules of the Russian language, both versions will be correct in this text.
              Something like this, Russian, colleagues, great and mighty. hi
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 13 November 2015 22: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                according to the rules of the Russian language, in this text both options will be correct

                Nope ..

                Quote: K-36
                "... looks like complete idiots"

                Bullshit .. either "look" (plural) or a "complete idiot" (singular).

                Quote: Vladimir 1964
                Russian language, colleagues, great and mighty

                Certainly.

                And also - "in skillful hands and a carrot - a drill" laughing
                1. Vladimir 1964
                  Vladimir 1964 14 November 2015 01: 03 New
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                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  And also - "in skillful hands and a carrot - a drill"

                  Well, to whom carrot is more convenient, it is a purely personal matter. I like the Russian language textbook handy. fellow
        4. I read the news
          I read the news 13 November 2015 23: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          who makes such mistakes in his opus

          This stylistic device is called a "synecdoha."
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 13 November 2015 23: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: I readNews
            called "synecdocha"

            The marvelous naming of elementary illiteracy ..
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 14 November 2015 01: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              The marvelous naming of elementary illiteracy ..


              To eliminate the "elementary illiteracy", I recommend, a colleague, refer to the encyclopedic dictionary of Brockhaus and Efron, there are times that help. yes
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 14 November 2015 01: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: I readNews
            This stylistic device is called a "synecdoha."

            You are absolutely right, colleague. hi
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 13 November 2015 18: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Baikonur
        It is clear that not all experts comment on all the articles (Those have no interest and time for this). Here in VO people express their emotions, thoughts based on what they know, see (thanks to your articles, TV) and how they relate to it! Naturally, ordinary people cannot see the fullness of the picture (especially if it is secret). thus, looking at other opinions, learning more, they try to put together a more or less acceptable picture for understanding! So do not blame even those sitting on the couch, drinking beer! Many here do it, but try to figure it out! Of course there are evil teenagers-pranksters, there are also who "immediately - to bang, the whole world - to dust!"

        Baikonur, you stop this business (to be an additional member ..))) I do not like .... Write right away! hi
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 13 November 2015 21: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Baikonur, you stop this business (to be an additional member ..))) I do not like .... Write right away!

          there is no “giant of thought” on you tongue
          1. Throw
            Throw 14 November 2015 01: 30 New
            +2
            Baikonur - software reincarnation of the “Giant of Thought” laughing
      3. Sid.74
        Sid.74 13 November 2015 18: 15 New
        +9
        And even such a recognized orientalist as Yevgeny Satanovsky, who came to most of the offices, recently admitted that he also did not have complete information about the reasons for the evacuation of Russian and British citizens from Egypt.

        Satanovsky spoke quite clearly. The video is very interesting and informative, I recommend. hi
        Rostislav Ischenko and Yevgeny Satanovsky about who and why the “black mark” was sent, about the international situation, the destruction of the sponsors of terrorists, the sacred victims of the American “democracy” and where to go on holiday in the New Year holidays.


        Transcript here.http: //cont.ws/post/145702
      4. Asadullah
        Asadullah 13 November 2015 18: 52 New
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        Here in VO people express their emotions, thoughts based on what they know, see (thanks to your articles, TV) and how they relate to it! Naturally, ordinary people cannot see the fullness of the picture (especially if it is secret). thus, looking at other opinions, learning more, they try to put together a more or less acceptable picture for understanding!


        I agree with you completely! What kind of trend is this, couch experts, people are sick of the country, experiencing events and expressing their views, which, by the way, are lost and drown in the Styx of daily information. thanks to these people, articles are read and respected author. Otherwise, with the help of the female genital organ, let them go into the narrow circle of the bed of the initiates and there discuss their enlightened thoughts, fertilized with special information and not fucking fooling the brain of the average reader. For such a snobbish approach is incomprehensible. Snobbery is generally a manifestation of doubt in one's competence. From that snob narrows the circle of communication, so that no one would guess about his legal capacity.

        And here it is:

        But taxi drivers, pensioners on benches in the park and network hamsters are the best informed and know exactly how to manage the state.


        A bow to our retirees. who survived the difficult times for the country, eating from the beds of six hundred square meters, and even helped the children, bow and taxi drivers, and all ordinary citizens who work, investing their share in the construction of the country, bow and "net hamsters" who do not drink beer in a stall with extinguished intellects in his eyes, but they live by some kind of brain interest, and maybe this particular hamster’s brain will create something for citizens. And I want to assure you all that one of the tasks of the country's leadership, which has several thousand people, is that every citizen knows how his state is governed. We know, we are able, we do. Who knows the best, can always be heard. This "need" of management also consists of this.
      5. Vita vko
        Vita vko 13 November 2015 18: 59 New
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        and network hamsters are the best informed and know exactly how to manage the state.
        Quote: Baikonur
        It’s clear that not all experts comment on all the articles.

        Dear, do you take too much upon yourself comparing the readers of VO with hamsters and couch experts? I'm not talking about elementary respect for people, most of whom are either former or active military. You need to be at least slightly different from the monkey in order to understand that different people leave comments. Personally, I am interested in VO precisely comments, I read the news in other, more operational news sites. Or for you, a person who has completed two military universities with a gold medal, having patents for inventions and a degree, is also a hamster? Then who are you and for whom are you writing?
      6. 3officer
        3officer 13 November 2015 19: 43 New
        +5
        I absolutely agree. Expressing their opinion is not the exclusive right of people who have graduated from geopolitical institutes, directly involved in events or spend days scanning the Internet for a topic. If a person expresses his opinion on a particular issue even if it is emotionally and unsupported by tons of knowledge, it seems to me better than not about anything other than their domestic issues.
      7. Aleksander
        Aleksander 13 November 2015 20: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Baikonur
        Naturally, ordinary people cannot see the fullness of the picture (especially if it is secret). thus, looking at other opinions, finding out more, they try to put together a more or less acceptable picture for understanding


        In my humble opinion, one must be simpler and not think about higher wisdom host of analysts and intelligence services.
        Apply better to the story- enter our time is only her small, recurring once again, part. Well, why didn’t people know this before the First, Second World War? What wrong conclusions (from the lack of "higher secret knowledge" did they draw? They all KNOWED very well - that there would be a war and who would fight with whom and even what, approximately, would end.
        But top politicians have done so much with all their analysts and intelligence agencies. ridiculous and criminal decisionsthat a simple normal person could never have imagined (attack on Serbia in 1914, declaration of war on Russia, Munich agreement, etc.)
        Believe yourself and your feelings, for everything that happens is our "skins," and she-she-she! -will not lie.... yes
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    3. cniza
      cniza 13 November 2015 17: 37 New
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      What is the article about? We already know that having information at the level of V.O. no serious conclusions can be drawn. We discuss only what we have and no more.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 13 November 2015 18: 00 New
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        Why can’t the couch generals and analysts express their point of view, sometimes you get more information from comments than from an article and, as they say, those who are supposed to own information do without us well and don’t report to us, and each reader has the right to his point of view and express it in the comments.
        1. severniy
          severniy 13 November 2015 18: 08 New
          +7
          Damn to add to the speakers and there is nothing ... The only thing that concerns New Russia, for example, to draw conclusions, or to express an opinion, it is not at all necessary to know the names, passport details of militia soldiers ..
          I know that there are Buryats laughing and thank God....
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 13 November 2015 18: 30 New
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            I always read Alexander Rogers articles with great pleasure, and here such an article, I will not plus or minus, but how many people, so many opinions and prohibiting them from speaking out in the comments is pretty stupid.
            Quote: 79807420129
            those who are supposed to possess information, those without us are doing just fine and are not reporting to us,

            Absolutely agree with you.
            Quote: severniy
            I know that there are Buryats and thank God ....

            No one doubts this.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 13 November 2015 20: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: severniy
              I know that there are Buryats and thank God ....
              No one doubts this.

              It turns out that the Buryats are worse than the construction battalion!
              Judging by the photo, they left nothing from the CENTER OF PARIS!
              Terminator nervously smokes on the sidelines! laughing
              The tower was erected on the Champ de Mars opposite the Jensky bridge across the River Seine, Branly embankment.
        2. opus
          opus 13 November 2015 19: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: 79807420129
          Why couch generals and analysts do not express their point of view, sometimes you get information from comments

          Because then they will take part of the rating, likes, money from Sashko Rogers, who considers himself the one and only.





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      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 13 November 2015 18: 04 New
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        Quote: cniza
        What is the article about? We already know that having information at the level of V.O. no serious conclusions can be drawn. We discuss only what we have and no more.

        Conclusion .... Provocation! And a mental attack on the members of the forum is ...! You need to hold on to men. hi Just in your soul all the answers .. So I think. hi
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 13 November 2015 19: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Conclusion .... Provocation! And a mental attack on the members of the forum is ...!

          I agree with your conclusion, but it’s only a dozen clip of art ... A couple of days ago I wrote to “Matroskin” / in my opinion, I don’t remember exactly / that in a real story, not cinematic officers, but Izhevsk workers went to that psychic attack ... because they simply did not have cartridges.
      3. OlegLex
        OlegLex 13 November 2015 18: 16 New
        +6
        judging by the number of minuses, under the rating of the article offended enough.
        And the article is primarily about the fact that before you judge something, and even more so draw conclusions, you need to think and analyze at least the information that is available. the author is a huge plus.
        1. severniy
          severniy 13 November 2015 18: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: OlegLex
          judging by the number of minuses, under the rating of the article offended enough.
          And the article is primarily about the fact that before you judge something, and even more so draw conclusions, you need to think and analyze at least the information that is available. the author is a huge plus.

          Maybe so, but after studying in high school, I can recognize a good syllable, the author’s ability to lay a deep thought, the ability to capture the plot ... Well? If I believe that someone writes worse than Pushkin, or weaker than Lermontov, then following the logic of the author, I simply must tell him- Dear, you are not doing your job, you can’t do it However! But no, I read, agree, disagree, but accept him. The full right to his work as he sees and how he knows how. In addition, who else will read his articles, if not ....
        2. ty60
          ty60 13 November 2015 19: 29 New
          +4
          It’s not a matter of personal insults. I agree to classify the majority of forum users as couch experts because we are far from informed people who are in the public service. Then create a website for the elite, enter qualifications and fight only with equals. Why visit V.O. complexes-type I Talleyrand? Many of the members of the forum served only urgency and the level of knowledge is not very high. However, the very sight of the same facts from different angles is always useful. Otherwise, the picture is not complete. The site itself is a place of communication and a platform. still respect others a priori!
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 13 November 2015 20: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: OlegLex
          before judging something, let alone draw conclusions
          you need to at least as a first approximation to imagine what is at stake. SSI is a professional of high standard, always speaks very correctly and unobtrusively on the issue under discussion. Here you need to take an example from such.
          But in general there is a good proverb: Shut up - you will marry a smart one! yes
      4. Alexei
        Alexei 13 November 2015 18: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        We discuss only what we have and no more.

        Yes, in general, in principle, there is a lot of information, and in order to be seriously savvy on any issue, it is necessary to load certain information. Moreover, there will be much less space for information on other important issues, and there will be no place or time left for other topics. When I begin to master a new direction for myself (or go deeper into the old), every time I am fucked up by the fact that everything is not at all simple, a lot of subtleties and errors. The more you learn, the more questions arise. It is a pity that a person’s life is so short, and our reason will not allow us to exceed the permissible limit. Logic, this is what you should rely on.
      5. Altona
        Altona 13 November 2015 19: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        What is the article about? We already know that having information at the level of V.O. no serious conclusions can be drawn. We discuss only what we have and no more.

        ------------------------
        What is the author of the article calling for? Do not discuss anything at all? No one claims to be the ultimate truth. No one knows what secret types of weapons are in secret design bureaus, workshops and training grounds. No one knows how much information comes from hot and too quiet spots on the planet, where whose interests are intertwined, who meets with whom and what intrigues weaves. But subconsciously, everyone feels an increase in tension and a sharp polarization, so the opinions on the forums become more categorical and emotional.
        1. IS-80
          IS-80 13 November 2015 20: 08 New
          0
          So I can bet on the Hennessey

          But what’s interesting to a comrade of genius analytega is already not enough money for a drink? The crisis was crippled by the market of expert analysts. There is already enough money for articles, not only not for everyone, and not only for not all. smile
    4. Lelek
      Lelek 13 November 2015 18: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Petka wait to wave your saber (we’ll have time to chop))))


      -Vasil Ivanch, intelligence reported - white in the forest.
      - Yes, wait, Petro, not mushrooms, not mushrooms.

      (this is so - the middle ground)
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 13 November 2015 18: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Lelek
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Petka wait to wave your saber (we’ll have time to chop))))


        -Vasil Ivanch, intelligence reported - white in the forest.
        - Yes, wait, Petro, not mushrooms, not mushrooms.

        (this is so - the middle ground)

        laughing But sho we calculate the counter! (“Petro” Vasil Ivanovich did not call Petka ... and they burned ..))))) bully
        And I like to pick mushrooms ...))))
  2. Cherdak
    Cherdak 13 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +3
    My tragedy is over; I scolded her out loud, alone, and clapped my hands and screamed, oh yes Pushkin! oh yes son of a bitch! - From a letter from A.S. Pushkin to Peter Vyazemsky on the completion of the tragedy of Boris Godunov, 1825.
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  4. Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 13 November 2015 17: 35 New
    0
    Exactly!!!!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 13 November 2015 18: 22 New
      +7
      Why point? Each couch fighter tells what he sees. That's all. And we naturally do not have complete information. But here another question arises. And those who possess information even enlighten us? In my opinion, no. In Soviet times, leadership policies were still explained to the people. But silence today. What? Is everything so secret? People can’t say anything at all?
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: 34 region
        In Soviet times, the leadership policy was still explained to the people.

        And to what did they explain?
        1. ty60
          ty60 13 November 2015 19: 36 New
          0
          That geography is not needed, taxi drivers will take it everywhere. hi
      2. Oleko
        Oleko 13 November 2015 20: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: 34 region
        Why point? Each couch fighter tells what he sees. That's all. And we naturally do not have complete information. But here another question arises. And those who possess information even enlighten us? In my opinion, no. In Soviet times, leadership policies were still explained to the people. But silence today. What? Is everything so secret? People can’t say anything at all?

        What silence !? And what to say to the people? The author is right in one thing: a lot of hasty comments. And full of insults. Regarding the information, then it is. Economic Review, for example. There are other serious portals. But calling people “hamsters” and “couch experts” is disrespectful.
      3. Oleko
        Oleko 13 November 2015 20: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: 34 region
        Why point? Each couch fighter tells what he sees. That's all. And we naturally do not have complete information. But here another question arises. And those who possess information even enlighten us? In my opinion, no. In Soviet times, leadership policies were still explained to the people. But silence today. What? Is everything so secret? People can’t say anything at all?

        What silence !? And what to say to the people? The author is right in one thing: a lot of hasty comments. And full of insults. Regarding the information, then it is. Economic Review, for example. There are other serious portals. But calling people “hamsters” and “couch experts” is disrespectful.
  5. beer-youk
    beer-youk 13 November 2015 17: 35 New
    +6
    Of course, it is very chaotic, but the message to the “couch generalissimo” is clear - “One cannot embrace the immense.” And according to the workers and peasants - you have an elementary education and two nostrils - breathe through your nose and read "Murzilka"!
    1. severniy
      severniy 13 November 2015 18: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: beer-youk
      Of course, it is very chaotic, but the message to the “couch generalissimo” is clear - “One cannot embrace the immense.” And according to the workers and peasants - you have an elementary education and two nostrils - breathe through your nose and read "Murzilka"!

      That is yes .. But who will read these pearls ....
      I don’t think that GDP, Shoigu, Ivanov and the rest will subscribe to such articles ... negative
  6. afrikanez
    afrikanez 13 November 2015 17: 36 New
    +1
    A very instructive article for upstarts! In simple words, one could say simpler, DON'T TALK THE GOP, UNTIL THEY HAVE JOINED. good
    1. vladstro
      vladstro 13 November 2015 17: 52 New
      18
      Yes, everything is clear, here’s how to explain it to me as an “all-round proponent” — why pensioners were lowered, why their salaries were delayed (well, not all of them, of course, but they removed the increase almost everywhere except for deputies, etc.) why they lifted a communal apartment, etc. You can of course declare Ukraine, Syria, oil, but what the army has become (I don’t argue with this). Just explain why the pancake should be paid by a simple hard worker in Russia, why fat cats ala Serdyukov will continue to rob, they will continue to rob, smile, and we look at all this and be indignant in the comments. Where our strong power, or, as always, we will tolerate, the main thing is there. Well, look at the vidos, the section on our power is better, although everything else is also interesting
      1. mihasik
        mihasik 13 November 2015 18: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: vladstro
        ... Where is our strong power, or as always will be tolerated, the main thing there ...

        See the answer here about the average popuasiya:
        https://youtu.be/gVmj2SHjQVs
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 13 November 2015 18: 55 New
          +3
          I'll try like this
      2. severniy
        severniy 13 November 2015 18: 15 New
        +7
        pay a simple hard worker

        No pancake, sand boilers will sell and pay .. From you funny .... request
        1. vladstro
          vladstro 13 November 2015 18: 25 New
          +5
          Well, when the boilers give up the sand and take a look at it so that they don’t hang this watch on their hands and send their cost to the budget, this will be the power. And of course, let's just laugh, just some kind of laughter is not good get it. Sorry request
        2. unsinkable
          unsinkable 13 November 2015 18: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: severniy
          selling sand boilers

          Sofa experts will never become * sand *. Stand in the place of Peskov and see how you distribute * boilers * (and suddenly! Therefore, just in case, I am the first behind * boilers *)
      3. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: vladstro
        explain to me as an "all-pro-palsy" why pensioners have been reduced, why they are detained at work (well, not at all, of course, but additions have been removed almost everywhere, except for deputies, etc.), why they have lifted the communal apartment, etc.

        The crisis ... But it is for the better, in fact, as the economy used to depend on 70% on oil prices, but now, according to Forbes, on 42%. As the philosopher said, what does not kill us makes us stronger.
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        2. vladstro
          vladstro 13 November 2015 23: 28 New
          +1
          For the better, of course, and for a brighter future. Somewhere it didn’t seem to you anymore. How many generations have fed this. But- “No matter how you say halva, it won’t be sweet in your mouth. »" Stagnation "by Leonid Ilyich — I consider it an ideal life time for the then, and indeed most, of our people.
  7. 31rus
    31rus 13 November 2015 17: 36 New
    14
    There is also an axiom — delaying death is similar, an article about everything and nothing, if you dear think that the better “sofa strategists”, then you flatter yourself, then we and people would doubt, make mistakes, express our opinion and God forbid that our leaders would do everything right for the good of Russia and the people living in it
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 13 November 2015 18: 13 New
      +8
      I will support you!
      An “analyst” is not a profession, but the ability to analyze any literate person.
      Plus the tools and apparatus for providing information, of course.
      And if there is still a rich empirical base ...
      A form of communication on the forum, namely, on the point of view and beliefs is based.
      Believe me, there are many here who are not dumber than the author.
      We will manage to separate the grains from the chaff and the lambs from the goats.
  8. Dezinto
    Dezinto 13 November 2015 17: 37 New
    30
    So what? Why is this all? Do not the pros urgently shut your mouth?

    I have an opinion, the Internet is a platform, people speak out, discuss - that's all.

    That’s something the furniture makers didn’t appear in MO - this is a problem that needs to be monitored!

    I'm not a pro, but talking with people who know about topics of interest is very valuable and important, I think.

    What is the author talking about? Apparently quarreled with someone hard, boiling up? “Down with the lies of analysts?”

    I’m not a pro - I’m not torn into expert advisors. I have an interest in events. I want to know.



    soldier
    1. beer-youk
      beer-youk 13 November 2015 17: 47 New
      +4
      "Without knowing the Iroquois language, how can you judge their views?"
      K. Prutkov.
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 13 November 2015 18: 03 New
      +4
      Just 5! +++++
      Neighing over each performance characteristics of the self-propelled multipurpose sofa "EXPERT"
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  9. McLuha-MacLeod
    McLuha-MacLeod 13 November 2015 17: 41 New
    20
    Article minus. Everyone has the right to express their subjective opinion. As well as writing such articles
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 13 November 2015 17: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      Article minus. Everyone has the right to express their subjective opinion. As well as writing such articles

      That's right you said ...! Everyone has the right, but carefully ... am
      1. severniy
        severniy 13 November 2015 18: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
        Article minus. Everyone has the right to express their subjective opinion. As well as writing such articles

        That's right you said ...! Everyone has the right, but carefully ... am

        The State Department is not asleep ??? bully
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 13 November 2015 19: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: severniy
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
          Article minus. Everyone has the right to express their subjective opinion. As well as writing such articles

          That's right you said ...! Everyone has the right, but carefully ... am

          The State Department is not asleep ??? bully

          The State Department is happy with such articles and commentators ....! bully
    2. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 13 November 2015 18: 20 New
      +4
      "... incidentally pouring mud on the Russian authorities, the scientific community, the expert community, special services and the state apparatus, then guess who from the outside looks like complete idiots?"


      Especially the phrase "expert community" made me smile involuntarily, for some reason. laughing


      Special services and the scientific environment, the author in vain on the same line with other phrases, puts. But “the Russian authorities and the state apparatus”, I am afraid, will not be able to answer the simplest and most logical questions. Yes, and do not want to.
      It’s weird to read the author’s words about “mud pouring,” not critically to the authorities. Somehow the article has a strong emotional color. Do professional analysts and political scientists have competitors? As I said about this above, the “analyst” is not a profession, as is customary in their midst, but an ability to analyze.
  10. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 13 November 2015 17: 47 New
    +2
    I remember about Mariupol Plotnitsky saying that he was not taken because he is supplied with water from the territory occupied by the APU along with Donetsk. If they took it at once, they would turn off the water to everyone. So there are different versions about Mariupol.
  11. Lenin
    Lenin 13 November 2015 17: 48 New
    +3
    I have long been waiting for a similar article. Thank. Nevertheless, in our place we can share opinions, suggestions and suggestions, but the decisions are still not ours. hi
  12. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 13 November 2015 17: 51 New
    +7
    “And there are people who in the evening after work at a beer lazily venerate a couple of posts (preferably short and not burdened with numbers and details), and already have an“ extremely clear ”opinion about everything. And when they begin to broadcast this opinion, roughly in the format“ all around the cardinal’s guards, I’m Boyarsky, incidentally throwing mud at the Russian authorities, the scientific community, the expert community, special services and the state apparatus, then guess who from the outside looks like complete idiots? "
    The author is partly right, but many complaints are caused by the internal policy of the government and the work of the State Duma. There are many questions to the government in the sense that it does not control the economic processes in the country, but only follows the results of its short-sighted activities, hoping for a return on oil prices. At the same time, blindly following the recommendations of the IMF, which, as a result of its activities, does not at all strive to develop many important industries for the Russian Federation, but contributes to the complete transformation of the Russian Federation into a "gas station" for the EU and more. After all, representatives of the economic bloc of the government just recently stated that why should we develop high-tech production, machine building and machine-tool building - we will buy everything for oil and gas! Well, where now has the Russian Federation ended up with their slogans of unity with Europe and the USA? Now all those machines for defense industry enterprises cost us even more than before (we have to sell more oil), because the chain of intermediaries has grown. So the theory of a liberal economy is good when the global economy is liberal, in a sense free of politics. And up to this point it is still necessary to survive, and only then become 100% liberal. This is where the failures in the Russian economy come from - the idea of ​​liberalism is so far utopian in the current realities of the global economic system, which develops its markets by non-market methods. The current government is unable to lead the Russian Federation into the leaders of the world economy and must give way to others in it! hi
    1. OlegLex
      OlegLex 13 November 2015 18: 19 New
      +2
      You know, I agree with you, but I’m afraid that our point of view is too lateral. And then when you say that you need to change the government, tell to whom and most importantly what policy should this government implement?
    2. mark2
      mark2 13 November 2015 18: 27 New
      0
      The IMF, which, as a result of its activities, does not at all strive to develop many important industries for the Russian Federation, but contributes to the complete transformation of the Russian Federation into a "gas station" for the EU and only


      What does the IMF have to do with it. Who is to blame that in addition to oil, nothing is a pillar of the economy? IMF?
      After all, representatives of the economic bloc of the government just recently stated that why should we develop high-tech production, machine building and machine-tool building - we will buy everything for oil and gas!


      You yourself answered your own question, but the IMF has nothing to do with it.

      Now all those machines for defense industry enterprises cost us even more than before (we have to sell more oil), because the chain of intermediaries has grown


      And before in the USSR-Russia, they themselves knew how to make machines, and did not build esperds.

      So the theory of a liberal economy is good when the global economy is liberal, in a sense free of politics


      But this is correct. But one cannot be separated from the other. Billions are striving for power in order to become multibillion, and Politics wants to become rich. The conglomerate of the former with the latter leads to what we have.

      The current government is unable to lead the Russian Federation into the leaders of the world economy and must give way to others in it!


      + + +
    3. ty60
      ty60 13 November 2015 19: 47 New
      +1
      Simply put, Medvedev resigned along with the team.
  13. EvgNik
    EvgNik 13 November 2015 17: 55 New
    15
    The future is merciless. Sofa experts and geopolitics
    I agree with the first and absolutely disagree with the second. In the title of the article. We are called couch experts. Many of us served in the army, worked all our lives, many people with disabilities, the sick, the elderly. And we still keep hope for the best for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren. That is why we are here. Do not shout to the authorities. The article I put a plus, mainly for expression. But. For this:
    But taxi drivers, pensioners on benches in the park and network hamsters are the best informed and know exactly how to manage the state
    unofficial minus. Do not insult those who are nearby. This is rudeness.
    1. andj61
      andj61 13 November 2015 18: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: EvgNik
      We are called couch experts. Many of us served in the army, worked all our lives, many people with disabilities, the sick, the elderly. And we still keep hope for the best for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren. That is why we are here.

      good Yes, actually, discussion platforms like VO were created just for people like us, “couches” - according to the author of experts. We speak out, argue, give arguments and evidence - and that's great! They listen to us from other similar sites, quote us, refer to us, information and discussions arouse interest - and this is all done in order to (as it still sounds naive - but worth hoping) life in our country has become better.
      And so that Rogers does not say there - despite the expressed opinions and wishes, even such as, for example, “fucking up” - our opinion is not put into the basis of decisions made. Therefore, we will speak out - freely, arguing with each other, finding truth in disputes.
    2. theodore rasp
      theodore rasp 13 November 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      The article is very timely, although, of course, not the first one in the subject. Often the “thoughtful” comments of the construction clerks (I don’t want to offend anyone, it’s figurative) are a little annoying. Their blatant incompetence, they still give themselves away. Yes, everyone has the right to a personal opinion, but at least the basics of what you write don't you need to know? Or Psaki role model?
    3. severniy
      severniy 13 November 2015 18: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: EvgNik
      The future is merciless. Sofa experts and geopolitics
      I agree with the first and absolutely disagree with the second. In the title of the article. We are called couch experts. Many of us served in the army, worked all our lives, many people with disabilities, the sick, the elderly. And we still keep hope for the best for our grandchildren and great-grandchildren. That is why we are here. Do not shout to the authorities. The article I put a plus, mainly for expression. But. For this:
      But taxi drivers, pensioners on benches in the park and network hamsters are the best informed and know exactly how to manage the state
      unofficial minus. Do not insult those who are nearby. This is rudeness.

      I completely agree, although I minus the article ...
      In addition, Reagan went through the scene, Yeltsin arable land and nothing, they drove, so it’s not a fact that from a taxi driver or couch comrade there will be a bad manager, as it was said in one good film, the main thing is to organize three, and then the number does not matter .. .
    4. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 13 November 2015 19: 10 New
      +2
      I agree with your opinion. I myself do not understand the criterion by which the author determines the mental abilities (to analyze) of an individual according to his professional affiliation or social status.
      The author cannot know the abilities of these categories of citizens and their previous position in society. The author is clearly influenced by stereotypes and emotions.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 14 November 2015 01: 08 New
        +1
        In the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, engineers of the Ministry of Railways began with a worker in the depot. Why did I? And what did it teach the specialist to initially see the problem. And how many times the opinion or hint of the amateur helped solve the problem since he saw it under another angle. And the information flows, even open ones, make it possible to collect data that the institute specialized in this problem will not give out. I don’t remember in which adventure book about partisans I read the “commandment of a scout.” It sounds like this: I know; I saw; women say; I think! And those flows from "closed sources" can be collected in the open press, which the CIA has been doing from the day of its creation and processing the press of those countries that are currently of interest to them. You do not have to snort at Suvorov’s book "Aquarium "in the part where he describes the methods of collecting information abroad, he knows what he writes.
  14. Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 13 November 2015 17: 55 New
    +7
    You just have to oblige to present your candidate and doctoral diplomas when registering at the Forums, so that everyone speaks competently and in the case. smile
    Just a "crazy" article.
    Those who are competent, what the hell will be posted on the forum, the author is "zhzhot".
    1. Aleksey11
      Aleksey11 13 November 2015 18: 12 New
      0
      Forums are simply replaced by search engines, and this is an absolute plus for such projects.
      1. andj61
        andj61 13 November 2015 18: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: Aleksey11
        Forums are simply replaced by search engines, and this is an absolute plus for such projects.

        Is it for those who are banned in Google? wink
        Seriously, that's not the point. On many topics, the opinions of some visitors to VO are much more valuable and interesting than can be found using a search engine. yes
  15. Nymp
    Nymp 13 November 2015 17: 56 New
    +1
    The fact that insolent dill is blocked by electricity and gas is right! They spent Crimea - well, now Ukrainians will not be able to blackmail Crimea. That's right, I approve!
  16. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 13 November 2015 17: 56 New
    13
    You are right in that competence is the mother of erudition. I do not consider myself competent enough to judge these or those foreign policy steps of our leadership. But you don’t have to consider everyone as “couch strategists,” for example, I just want to figure out what awaits me and my family in my last years. I have lived long enough to distinguish bullshit like there upstairs the management has a tricky plan and everything will be done from real achievements. No one will convince me that successful diplomacy is sufficient to achieve victory in a war against such a skilful opponent as the collective West. Independent diplomacy is necessary but not sufficient. An independent economy is also needed. And here the dog is torn. Preserving the colonial economy (its raw materials, corruption, offshores, dependence on the dollar exchange rate, a decade of chatter about the need for structural reforms with visible progress, social inequality, the presence of an influential layer of the comprador bourgeoisie) is impossible to achieve victory. our leadership has always been talking about the need for an open economy. They do not specify what is open for what - open for construction by the investor of a new plant - this is one thing, and open to the game on the stock exchange of foreign speculators is another. I believe that our people. who is suffering life now deserves it. so that they tell him why they open the economy.
  17. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 November 2015 17: 56 New
    +6
    Most of us are here - couch experts. And it would be strange if the opuses of Mr. Rogers and similar experts who didn’t have a sofa were commented on by Shoigu, Patrushev, people who, on duty, now need to sit at the helm or remotes, and so on. What is the article about?
    In defense of those whom Mr. Rogers runs into here, I will say one thing: many opinions and judgments expressed here are a cut above the speculations of mega-analysts, the essence of most of the articles of which, however, boils down to "xs." Well, if the author so wants a "professional" audience, let him write for the American generals, Psac, Ashton, Carter, Kerry and other "mega-informed".

    Ohrenet from their "expert opinion".
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 13 November 2015 17: 58 New
      12
      What is the article about?
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 13 November 2015 19: 21 New
        +4
        The author will be very much and unpleasantly surprised, for example, having learned with what life experience, education and status, people are meeting here on the forum.
        I repeat that without his "expert-analytical" opinion, everyone will be able to separate the grains from the chaff (and the lamb from the goats). And even more so to find a common language, to approach the truth, as we understand it. And each of us can be an expert in our field. and on this platform for opinions and discussion.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 13 November 2015 18: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      it would be strange if the opuses of Mr. Rogers and similar experts who do not have a sofa

      He's probably sitting on the floor. And he knocks on the clave blindly. Therefore, not sofa but sexual.
    3. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Stiletto
      And it would be strange if the opuses of Mr. Rogers and his like experts, having no couch, commented on Shoigu, Patrushev, people who are in duty now need to sit at the helm or launcher consoles, and so on. What is the article about?
      In defense of those whom Mr. Rogers runs into here, I will say one thing: many opinions and judgments expressed here are a cut above the speculations of mega-analysts, the essence of most of the articles of which, however, boils down to "xs." Well, if the author so wants a "professional" audience, let him write for the American generals, Psac, Ashton, Carter, Kerry and other "mega-informed".

      Ohrenet from their "expert opinion".

      MDE. Populist-priceless.
  18. zennon
    zennon 13 November 2015 17: 56 New
    11
    People do not speak out? The population of the herd of sheep for which everything is decided? We do not have the right to analyze events taking place in the world? Silly article of a distant person. Minus.
  19. raid14
    raid14 13 November 2015 17: 57 New
    +7
    With the help of the system analysis of the Runet, that is, the comments of “sofa experts”, the authorities make adjustments to the work of the state’s domestic and foreign policy.
    If you do not show interest in the statements of "people who lazily lazy in the evening after working under beer", the authorities risk losing the trust of citizens.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 13 November 2015 18: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: raid14
      If you don’t show interest in the statements of “people who are lazy in the evening after working at a beer” express their opinion

      This is the only hope.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 13 November 2015 18: 38 New
        +4
        This is the only hope.
        You know, two times I was convinced when they listened to the opinions expressed at the VO quite high, for example, in the spring of 2014.
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 48 New
      0
      Quote: raid14
      With the help of the system analysis of the Runet, that is, the comments of “sofa experts”, the authorities make adjustments to the work of the state’s domestic and foreign policy.
      If you do not show interest in the statements of "people who lazily lazy in the evening after working under beer", the authorities risk losing the trust of citizens.

      Well, if ordinary people can be wrong? No one is immune from this, neither I, nor you, nor Putin and Medvedev. And if people blame the authorities for their troubles, but they don’t want to analyze their actions?
      1. raid14
        raid14 13 November 2015 19: 29 New
        +2
        Anyone is not the ultimate truth, everyone can be wrong. In order for the authorities not to be isolated from reality and have high popularity ratings, she must know the opinion of the majority of her citizens.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 14 November 2015 01: 28 New
          0
          A forum, any properly organized one, is descriptive geometry, where the subject is viewed from different angles. Technicians will understand me. And VO is the forum that allows and makes you think and look at the problem from different angles with varying degrees of zoom.
  20. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 November 2015 17: 57 New
    11
    And when they begin to broadcast this opinion of theirs, approximately in the format “all around the cardinal’s guards, I’m Boyarsky” along the way, muddy the Russian authorities, the scientific community, the expert community, special services and the state apparatus, then guess who from the outside looks like complete idiots?


    I wonder what bad expert advice instructed Gorbachev to start anti-alcohol propaganda?

    It is very important to know which of the skinny advised Yeltsin to write a new Constitution and withdraw the Central Bank from domination?

    It is supposedly interesting to see smart heads when dividing the property of the USSR, they forgot about the Russian Crimea, but grabbed for the transit through a gas pipe?

    Decide in the scientific environment, which taught that socialism is evil, and capitalism with a wide step, walking on the planet, brings happiness?

    What milestones are being pursued when making decisions on recapitalization of banks and inventing the calculation of pensions based on salaries unrealistic for most citizens?

    Who is this genius, or a group of geniuses who came up with the theory that the main thing in the world is not the one who creates, but the one who distributes?

    And who says that down there, the electorate does not understand their happiness?

    It makes no sense to list first and last names. They spelled it out when you need to turn the left cheek, and where to bend your back and lower your pants ...

    Please try on your jacket and remember the phrases:
    "I directed you, I will be responsible for everything!" and
    "My place is not dear to me, our business is dear," which is obtained in parts by MMF.
    hi
  21. Gunther
    Gunther 13 November 2015 17: 58 New
    +6
    Well yes. One can only wonder how with such happiness:
    Decisions in a country as large as Russia are always made not by one person (whatever liberals and other maydanut raged about “Putin's tyranny” would rave there), and not arbitrarily, but based on data from several intelligence agencies and the work of a number of research and analytical institutes.

    overslept the disaster in Ukraine, and the dream was for a quarter of a century.
    Where was the wise RISI and having some kind of involvement (in analytical groups, unlike taxi drivers and pensioners on the benches), the author?
    It seems that everything is not as simple as the author dreams.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Gunter
      overslept the disaster in Ukraine, and the dream was for a quarter of a century.

      A quarter of a century ago, it was necessary to think when they rushed, at breakneck speed, under the State Emergency Committee tanks, do not wave their fists after the fight
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 13 November 2015 20: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50

        A quarter of a century ago, it was necessary to think when they rushed, at breakneck speed, under the State Emergency Committee tanks, do not wave their fists after the fight

        Who rushed under the tanks? Units, a crowd of representatives of one city. And millions of citizens of the country had nothing to do with it. They believed in the leadership of the country, no one paid attention to their protests.
  22. Vladimir
    Vladimir 13 November 2015 17: 59 New
    +6
    Well, comments and statements are just opinions and views of people on certain events, and no one builds any global strategies based on them. Sometimes it’s nice to read the opinions of people who are knowledgeable in a particular area and also people with an analytical mindset. Well and finally, it’s not always the time to monitor the Internet and read between the lines to express the correct position on this or that event.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 13 November 2015 19: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, comments and statements are just opinions and views of people on certain events, and no one builds any global strategies based on them. Sometimes it’s nice to read the opinions of people who are knowledgeable in a particular area and also people with an analytical mindset. Well and finally, it’s not always the time to monitor the Internet and read between the lines to express the correct position on this or that event.

      And all ..? )))) Let's continue ....
  23. SergeyZel
    SergeyZel 13 November 2015 18: 06 New
    +1
    I believe that the quality of our beer is to blame.
  24. Dezinto
    Dezinto 13 November 2015 18: 06 New
    +5
    A bit about analytics:



    laughing laughing laughing laughing
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 13 November 2015 18: 58 New
      +3
      Klitschko must live a long time!)))))
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 13 November 2015 23: 29 New
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Klitschko must live for a long time!


        But he lives and smells, and hopes to become a measure again.
    2. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 13 November 2015 19: 01 New
      +1
      I like to look at the faces of those in the studio who are listening attentively to Klitschko. Look at them. They understand him! fool
  25. Million
    Million 13 November 2015 18: 11 New
    +2
    Oh, it’s a pity that the General Staff of the Russian Federation does not read IN, otherwise the whole world would be at our feet))))
    1. andj61
      andj61 13 November 2015 18: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Million
      Oh, it’s a pity that the General Staff of the Russian Federation does not read IN, otherwise the whole world would be at our feet))))

      And it seems to me that since last year I just started reading! lol
      And the results - initial - are already available. It's only the beginning! bully drinks
  26. Lenin
    Lenin 13 November 2015 18: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Vlad5307
    The author is partly right, but many complaints are caused by the internal policy of the government and the work of the State Duma. There are many questions to the government in the sense that it does not control the economic processes in the country, but only follows the results of its short-sighted activities hoping for a return on oil prices.


    And the most nasty thing is corruption and impunity with the existing double standards within Russia. Everyone, depending on their proximity to the Upper, has their own right. hi
  27. Masya masya
    Masya masya 13 November 2015 18: 19 New
    +9
    If there is no grandmaster in chess, then now you cannot play chess?
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Masya Masya
      If there is no grandmaster in chess, then now you cannot play chess?

      Why, you can and should play, but do not be offended if you lose to the grandmaster
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 13 November 2015 18: 53 New
        +4
        So I'm on minuses and not offended
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  29. Gardamir
    Gardamir 13 November 2015 18: 22 New
    +6
    But taxi drivers, pensioners on benches in the park and Alexander Rogers better informed than anyone and know exactly how to manage the state

    Decisions in such a large country as Russia are always made by more than one person (whatever liberals and other maydans rave about “Putin's tyranny” would rave about)
    Well, why, I don’t know how liberals and Maydanuty are, but the Putriots sacredly believe that everything good in the country is thanks to Putin. And if not for the evil boyars, we would have long lived in paradise
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 13 November 2015 18: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      we would have lived in paradise for a long time

      The statement (perhaps not quite the topic): in Russia, never (from the beginning of history and now) people have not lived in paradise.

      Disprove wink

      Accordingly:

      Quote: Gardamir
      Putriots sacredly believe that everything good in the country is thanks to Putin. And if not for the evil boyars, we would have long lived in paradise

      Not "putriots", but idiots (see the statement above. You have not yet disproved it).

      By the way, it seems to me that you are here on your own .. the thought-houses are attributed to these very putriots ..
    2. acetophenon
      acetophenon 13 November 2015 20: 57 New
      0
      How do you know about the "putriots" and why you do not know about the "maydanuty" and "liberals"?
      The question begs: "Whose will you be, xxxxxx? (C)
  30. _KM_
    _KM_ 13 November 2015 18: 28 New
    0
    Quote: severniy
    No pancake, sand boilers will sell and pay .. From you funny ....


    It is clear that he will not sell. But really tired. As well as the fact that bureaucrats are not excommunicated from the feeder not for the jambs in front of the country, but only for internal administrative disassembly.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 13 November 2015 20: 37 New
      0
      Quote: _KM_
      It is clear that he will not sell. But really tired. As well as the fact that bureaucrats are not excommunicated from the feeder not for the jambs in front of the country, but only for internal administrative disassembly.

      - you learned about Peskov’s "cauldrons" .. from Navalny (this is an abusive word, if that). At the same time, mind you, I am not saying that this is not true laughing
      - about the fact that "bureaucrats are excommunicated from the feeding trough" - you will find out .. from the press (this is another abusive word if you did not know)
      - for what is there where someone is excommunicated? You will also learn from the press .. Mlyn laughing

      Total: at your (and mine, by the way), level of awareness of the events "upstairs" - um .. "sometimes it's better to chew than talk" (c) advertising.

      That's something like request
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 14 November 2015 01: 54 New
        0
        I don’t know where, how? But thanks to the law on the prohibition of smoking. At the company where I worked before retiring, the smoker was left alone. It gathered from Doctors of Sciences to handymen. And everyone's opinion was heard and commented on. And sometimes a simple worker expressed such deep I thought that sometimes a whole department was planted for developing a topic. And the Doctor of Sciences could not solve the simplest problem, because he approached a solution from the field of high technologies where this problem can be solved with the help of a simple lever, that is, a wagi.
  31. roskot
    roskot 13 November 2015 18: 30 New
    +5
    Something I immediately remembered V. Shukshin with the story "Cut."
    Here I cut it, so I cut it. That is why it and the VO platform, so that opinions are expressed. And who considers himself an expert, be so kind as to cover art magazines. Only there, the experts' opinions do not always coincide.
  32. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 13 November 2015 18: 34 New
    -1
    If our country was ruled by "sofa field marshals" and "kitchen reformers", then the consequences would be sad ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 13 November 2015 20: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      If our country was ruled by "sofa field marshals" and "kitchen reformers", then the consequences would be sad ...

      I will subscribe, perhaps yes

      At the same time, the field marshals will instruct, the pressure will drop .. the field marshals, in the sense laughing

      Friday, again, evening .. Friday, by the way - is funny. Number thirteen so far laughing
  33. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 13 November 2015 18: 36 New
    +3
    There have always been, are and will be people who want to give simple answers to complex questions. I think it does not depend on age and education. Everyone may not be competent in anything. How do those who themselves with love to give advice on health and parenting they couldn’t do it. Many have such acquaintances.
    1,5 years ago, every day I expected that the Russian Federation was leading troops to Ukraine and was indignant that this was not happening, and then I began to read, listen, understand that it was simply impossible to solve everything like that.
    The more people read, listen, the more they will understand. So I think. This is a process.
    The author condemns those who write with slogans. And he does something about the same, thinks that if he wrote this article, everything will change at once. Article +, because This topic is necessary, everyone will think about it himself.
  34. Signaller
    Signaller 13 November 2015 18: 38 New
    +1
    Yes . Maybe a sofa, but here are a few comments that zamususheny in full. Well, offhand, about three. So in a month or two it became as I wrote. And me, minus the minus. Type did not hit the trend. Everything is OK, but I’m kind of what. I even wrote about it. Replies zero - paprika. Just wondering. When in the subject you write, approvals, so the points grow. As your opinion, so minus. Especially with regards to alcohol issues. Apparently we have more opponents of the "People’s Commissars" than reasonable people. I conclude that women are a large part of our team. Well, personal opinion, I do not insist. But I think so. He put a cross on his forehead. Good luck.
  35. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 13 November 2015 18: 41 New
    +1
    We are all divan experts here. But I agree with the author, there is nothing to sow panic among people, otherwise it will be there. On the one hand, the Americans are with the Chinese, on the other, a brainless herd, led by populists
  36. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 13 November 2015 18: 48 New
    +1
    For example, I don’t pretend to know everything, often just joke or
    ironic. But in order to conclude that this product is obviously not
    be sure to eat it with a full spoon, just smell it, and FIGs are not needed
    opinions of a dozen particularly cool analysts. Something like this.
  37. unsinkable
    unsinkable 13 November 2015 18: 57 New
    0
    The author, like all of us, expressed his opinion. Each of us wants his opinion to be respected, regardless of its correctness, so I think that debating on a good or bad article is superfluous. each of us belongs to one or another group. And this must be respected.
  38. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 13 November 2015 19: 04 New
    +2
    Alexander Rogers, how much did you take on your chest before writing this article?
    Probably not worth it to judge people by themselves ...
  39. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 13 November 2015 19: 07 New
    +4
    It’s just through life - during the time that I am attending VO, I began to better understand what is happening in the country and the world. And sofa analysts or not - again. Sometimes you learn very interesting things. There are a lot of fools here, rotting trolls, clever comments and articles on hand. He who has eyes, let him see.
  40. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 13 November 2015 19: 11 New
    +4
    Sofa experts? Maybe people cheer for the country to the best of their brains. This is not so bad. Do not care - worse.
  41. cap
    cap 13 November 2015 19: 12 New
    +5

    "So I can bet on Hennessy that the vast majority of those who yell about Donbass Drain can’t indicate either the number of militias, the names of key officers, the number and types of weapons, or other similar information. And in economic terms no better - they will not be able to answer how many medium and large enterprises of Donbass are currently working, how many workers are employed, what is their monthly turnover, what is the mass of rubles in the region, etc. Again, none of them speaks and writes about that utility bills in Donetsk and Lugansk are much lower than Ukrainian payments today. For tantrums and panic, accurate information is not needed, generally no information is needed. "

    They would tell. How do we know the Syrians. And is Hennessy a beer or vodka?
  42. Neophyte
    Neophyte 13 November 2015 19: 16 New
    +7
    On the issue of geopolitics: Channel 1 was heatedly debated about why the Balts are asking for money. Allegedly, for the occupation and others. Naturally, the Balts, Ukrainians (where without them?) Took part. A certain Baltic doctoral student made evidence of the existence of 3 states according to Nishtad to the world in 1721. True, this doctor of cockroach science did not say that Russia bought them from Sweden for 2 million talers (350 billion dollars). As a couch analyst, demanding these small states, first return 350 billion d., and then, from Russia!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 13 November 2015 21: 32 New
      +3
      "Kemska volost dai-dai." Occupation, you say? Is it like that in the USSR it was bad? And now, after restitution? Under the Communists, you seemed to be white people, but now you occupy your rightful place in Europe - vozle parashi, where you always sat historically, I apologize for the repetition.
  43. Neophyte
    Neophyte 13 November 2015 19: 24 New
    +1
    In addition: a map of the Baltic states.
  44. GUKTU
    GUKTU 13 November 2015 19: 50 New
    +4
    Everyone probably read and heard that Lesin had died. Everything would be fine, but he, as a “patriot,” was buried in Los Angeles. Is it strange really? Patriot in America ... Here, some publications predict us a war with the United States. Often I ask myself the question: "For whom to fight in case of what?". For Chubais? For the pipe? For deputies sleeping at meetings of the State Duma and teaching children in EU countries? For his governor, who owns almost all the "delicious" enterprises in the region? For the "care" of the state for pensioners, people with disabilities, children in orphanages "? Or maybe for the bowels that do not belong to the people ??? AAAA! I remembered, I need to pay the bank a mortgage! I love Russia! I once swore an oath to the USSR. I believe that our country is carefully drained !!!! The enemy is at the borders! The army is not able to protect the country! Reservists all the more !!!! Do not judge strictly.
    1. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 13 November 2015 20: 38 New
      +3
      By the way, this ghoul Lesin grunted at an expensive hotel in Washington: "For buggers!" - these are our patriots. Vova gathered everyone. This is how we fight with America! Who else believes in a "cunning plan"?
  45. V.ic
    V.ic 13 November 2015 20: 08 New
    +6
    Rotten article ... The author is smarter than all / readers are stupid / their comments are stupid / they (readers) do not own the full amount of information / therefore should not lean out / and express full approval of the guiding line / (of course) coinciding with the opinion of the author ... Delivered minus!
  46. NordUral
    NordUral 13 November 2015 20: 27 New
    +5
    Soft, unobtrusive gagging. And sometimes it would be worthwhile to heed the voice of the people. Well, and the lack of awareness, so we are not special agents that we find. then we discuss it from the position of our place.
  47. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 13 November 2015 20: 33 New
    +3
    Not an article, but a bowel movement. He took and overlaid all the old soldiers. Our beer and vodka prevented him. Well, well ... And I respect these men:
  48. aleks700
    aleks700 13 November 2015 20: 57 New
    +1
    Let those who, with silly malice, ask why the militia did not take Mariupol, show me on a topographic map how they would intend in that case to build the defense of the city from a possible counterattack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. After all, our people would have to take the city in close combat, clean it using only small arms, and the punishers would not bother and shell it just like other cities of Donbass did.
    According to the logic of the author, Donetsk should be left. The great length of the front, the allotted equipment that may not be in time to the place where something happened, shelling and loss of civilian population. And almost every day melee.
  49. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 13 November 2015 21: 26 New
    +5
    No need to lull people with tales of the great wisdom of leadership and the providence of experts.
    The people trusted the government when they once woke up in another country, when everything that had been created for decades overnight became the personal economy of a small number of half-citizens of the country. Why are half-citizens, because they are citizens only when they export its wealth from the country, and most of them are home, money, family abroad So I didn’t make a reservation, maybe it’s not even half-citizens, but they have even less relation to the country.
    As for couch experts, not only couches, there are also strollers and mattresses — life has well patted so many people who have paid and continue to pay for the great wisdom of many knowledgeable experts. And do not humiliate visitors VO. The point is not only that there are a lot of people wise with experience and knowledge, here are people who care about the fate of the country, who have done a lot for it.
    Yesterday I read an article by Roman Skomorokhov and comments are simply a confession of the Russian soul. Yes, all of you are not just citizens of the country, you are part of it, the main best part of the Russian soul. And as Russia is dear to you, you are dear to Russia. Guys, how proud I am of you!
  50. muhomor
    muhomor 13 November 2015 21: 44 New
    +3
    The article is very nervous! The author is very offended by someone and loves himself too much! laughing