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Turkish armed forces

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Currently, the Turkish army is the best army in the Middle East. On 2015 year, the number of armed forces of Turkey (excluding reservists) - 410 500 people. At the same time, in wartime, you can easily use a military-trained reserve of up to 90 thousand people, of whom 38 thousand people are the reserve of the first stage. In terms of military spending in 2014, Turkey was in the 15 place in the world - 22,6 billion dollars (data from the Stockholm Peace Research Institute). At the same time, by the number of personnel in Europe there is no army that would be stronger than the Turkish (with the exception of Russia). For example, in the German armed forces today there are about 170 thousand people, in the British army there are about 180 thousand people, while they are continuously decreasing.


The Turkish armed forces consist of ground forces, air forces, naval forces, gendarmerie (in peacetime subordinated to the minister of internal affairs) and coast guard. Organizationally, they are part of two ministries - the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of the Interior of Turkey. The recruitment of the Turkish army carried out by conscription. The system of recruitment and service in the Turkish army is spelled out in the law on universal military service. According to this document, military service is mandatory for all males between the ages of 20 and 41, who do not have medical contraindications. The term of service in all types of armed forces today is 12 months, while Turkish citizens have the opportunity to receive exemption from conscription by paying a certain amount of money to the country's budget. In 2013, it was about 30 thousand lire (17 thousand dollars) - a considerable amount for any average Turkish recruit.

Upon completion of military service, privates and sergeants are transferred to the reserve. During the year they are in the reserve of the first stage, which is called the “special appeal”, after which they are transferred to the reserve of the 2-th queue (up to 41 year) and the 3-th queue (up to 60 years). At the same time, the contingent of the “special appeal” and the reservists of the next lines in the case of the announcement of mobilization are sent to complete the existing or emerging parts and formations.



Turkish Ground Forces

Ground forces form the basis of the country's armed forces (approximately 80% of their total strength). Direct control of them is carried out by the commander of the ground forces through his headquarters. He is subordinate to the headquarters of the ground forces, four field armies (PA), nine army corps (AK), including 7 in the field armies and three commands (training, doctrine, army aviation and rear). According to the Armed Forces-2007 program adopted back in 2014, by the end of 2014 the number of ground forces was planned to be reduced to 280-300 thousand people at the same time as modern weapons and military equipment, as well as command and control equipment, were built up.

The plan provided for the liquidation of two field armies: the 3 th field army (grouping on the borders of Armenia and Georgia) and the 4 th Aegean (on the west coast of Turkey). At the same time, it was planned to create a single command of the three types of armed forces (ground forces, air force and navy) and to transform the General Staff into the appropriate "unified" headquarters, which will be subject to the command of the Armed Forces. On the basis of the existing headquarters of the 1 th field and 2 th field army, the commands of the Western and Eastern groups of forces should be created, and the entire existing territory of Turkey in operational and military-administrative terms is divided into two parts.

Tanks "Leopard2A4" on the streets of Ankara


As part of this plan, the number of the Turkish army was reduced by 10-20 thousands of soldiers a year, many military units and formations were disbanded. For example, only in the last three years 5 tank brigades from 14 were disbanded, while the remaining 9 tank brigades were equipped with modernized and modern military equipment. A part of the infantry brigades was also disbanded, and some of them were transferred to the state of mechanized formations. At the same time, the task of fighting the military formations of Kurdish separatists is fully shifted to the Turkish gendarmerie, for which the latter is reinforced by armored vehicles transferred from the ground forces. Most likely, in addition to the already available gendarmerie armored personnel carriers BTR-60 (about 340 units) and BTR-80 (240 units).

The main striking force of the Turkish ground forces are tanks. All are in service with the Turkish army tanks of foreign manufacture. About 3-x thousand tanks are in service, but more than 1200 of them are completely outdated American M48, these machines are mainly taken out of storage or used in training centers. The most modern tank at the disposal of the Turkish Army is the German Leopard 2А4, there are 339 units. It is planned to upgrade these tanks to А6 by the Turkish company ASELSAN. In addition, there are 392 German tanks Leopard 1 of various modifications and a little more than 1200 of even older American tanks M60 of various modifications.

Organizationally, the tank brigades include 3 tank battalions, the mechanized brigades - 1 tank battalion. Each tank battalion consists of 41 tanks. The headquarters and management of the brigade consists of 2 tanks, the remaining 39 combat vehicles are distributed among 3 tank companies. Each tank company consists of 13 tanks (1 tank of the company commander and 4 platoons of 3 tanks each). Judging by the frames news agencies, American tanks M60 (development of the late 1950s) of various modifications are still actively used by the Turkish army.

Tanks M60 Turkish Army


The fleet of armored vehicles of the Turkish army is quite diverse and consists of tracked and wheeled armored personnel carriers and tracked infantry fighting vehicles, as well as various vehicles based on them. Their total number exceeds 4500 units. Of these, the majority is Turkish-made equipment, with the exception of the obsolete American M113 and M59.

Anti-tank weapons are portable and transportable ATGM, RPG, self-propelled anti-tank complexes (48 ATGM FNSS ACV-300 TOW and 156 ATGM М113 TOW). The number of PU portable and portable ATGM in the Turkish army exceeds 2400 units (Otokar Cobra, Eryx, TOW, Milan, Cornet, Competition). In addition, the Turkish armed forces have more than 5 thousands of RPG-7 grenade launchers and more than 40 thousands of M72А2.

The ground forces are armed with more than 1200 ACS and 1900 towed guns, almost 10 thousands of mortars. At the same time, the vast majority of American-made artillery systems, many of which are seriously outdated (М110, М107, М44Т, etc.). The most modern artillery systems are the X-NUMX-mm T-155 Fırtına self-propelled guns, which are a licensed copy of the South Korean K155 Thunder SAU (9 in service, an order for the 240 SAU), and X-350 Panned T-155 Panzer how-to 155 T-225 SAU (about XNUMX)

155-mm SAU T-155 Fırtına


The Turkish military is paying considerable attention to multiple rocket launchers. The Turkish army has 12 American MLRS MLRS (227 mm), 80 MLRS T-300 "Kasigra" (modern Chinese MLRS WS-1 caliber 302 mm), 130 T-122 "Sakarya" (Soviet BM-21 "Grad" on Turkish car chassis), more than 100 MLRS T-107 (old Chinese 63 Tour, 107 caliber mm) and 24 own towed RA7040 MLRS 70-mm caliber.

Army air defense is represented by anti-aircraft artillery, MANPADS and self-propelled systems with MANPADS. Small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery guns number over 2,8 thousands of units. Portable anti-aircraft missile systems (Stinger, Eagle, Red-I) more than 1,9 thousands of units. In addition, there are 150 ZRK "Altygan" (8 "Stingers" on the M113) and 88 "Zipkin" (4 "Stinger" on the basis of the car "Land Rover").

The basis of the strike power of army aviation are American combat helicopters AN-1 "Cobra" (39 machines), as well as 6 latest Turkish T-129 (created on the basis of the Italian helicopter A-129, it is planned to build 60 machines). In addition, the military has up to 400 transport and multi-purpose helicopters (S-70 Black Hawk, UH-1, AS.532, AB-204 / 206) and up to 100 light aircraft. The gendarmerie uses Russian-made 18 Mi-17 helicopters.

Attack helicopter T-129


A curious detail is that in recent years, Turkey has become the second (after Bulgaria) NATO country in Europe, armed with tactical missiles. We are talking about American ATACMS 72 (launcher for them are MLRS MLRS) and at least 100 own operational tactical missiles J-600T, which were copied from the Chinese B-611.

Turkish Air Force

Turkish Air Force include 4 command. All combat vehicles are distributed between two tactical aviation commands. Training aircraft are part of the Training Aviation Command. Transport aircraft as part of the Air Force Headquarters Command. The country's Air Force has a 34 airfield with an artificial runway. As part of the Air Force serves up to 60 thousands of people.

The basis of the combat power of the Turkish Air Force is the X-NUMX multi-purpose fighter F-168C and the 16 training fighter F-40D. Most of them were produced under license in Turkey itself. In addition, remains in service until 16 obsolete Canadair NF-40 fighter canadian production. Also, the Air Force has more than 5 training aircraft, 180 refueling aircraft KC-7R, two DRLO Boeing 135 aircraft (ordered by 737 in total) and up to 4 transport aircraft. The main transport aircraft of the Turkish Air Force is - Tusas CN-95M (235 units). This is the Spanish transport aircraft CASA CN-48, which was produced in Turkey under a license.

F-16 Turkish Air Force


Ground-based air defense is represented by the obsolete US NIM-14 medium-range NIM-Hercules (72 PU) medium-range US missile system, as well as the American X-NUMX medium-range “Rapier” 48 American X-NUMX medium-range SAM systems. In the future, the country's air defense system will be significantly strengthened by a contract signed with China for the supply of 21 divisional sets of long-range air defense systems HQ-84, which in turn was created using the technological base of the Soviet-Russian C-12 air defense systems. 9 February 300 of the year Turkish Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz noted that the missile defense system of Turkey created with the help of China will not be integrated into the NATO missile defense system.

The plans of the Turkish Air Force to seriously upgrade its fleet of combat aircraft. In particular, a lot is said about the contract for the purchase of American fighter 5-th generation F-35A. We are talking about the acquisition of such fighter 100. The first two aircraft must be commissioned by the Turkish Air Force already in 2018 year. In the future, they completely replace the Canadair NF-5 and F-16 fighters, which, despite all the upgrades carried out, are considered obsolete vehicles. The seriousness of the intentions of the Turkish side is confirmed by the fact that at the end of 2016, the Turkish company Roketsan is planning to launch tests of the SOM-J cruise missile, which is designed for suspension on F-35 Lightning II fighter jets.

Tusas CN-235M Turkish Air Force


There are no foreign troops in Turkey, but the US Air Force regularly uses Incirlik and Diyarbakir airbases for its operations. According to data published by the Internet resource WikiLeaks, tactical nuclear weapons are stored on the territory of the Incirlik base weapon - B-61 aerial bombs. Officially, this information has never been confirmed.

Turkish Navy

The Turkish Navy organizationally consists of four commands - the Northern and Southern naval zones, the naval fleet and training command. This type of armed forces is headed by an army admiral who reports directly to the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces. The Navy Commander is promptly subordinated to the Coast Guard Command, which in peacetime is under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of the Interior (up to 80 patrol boats). The Navy includes up to 50 thousand people.

Currently, the Turkish fleet is the strongest fleet in the Black Sea. In 2013, Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, in an interview with the Free Press, emphasized that the Turkish fleet even surpasses the combined fleet of Russia and Ukraine 4,7 times. Since then, the situation has changed significantly. Even the hypothetical unification of the fleets of Russia and Ukraine after all the events of recent years can be forgotten. But the Russian Black Sea Fleet has finally begun to qualitatively update with modern warships, and yet it will not be possible to significantly reduce the existing gap in the near future.

Corvette F 511 "Heybeliada" type "MILGEM" Turkish Navy


The core of the ship of the Turkish Navy are mainly warships of foreign projects. The main striking force of the fleet is 16 frigates and 8 corvettes. Among the frigates, 8 units of the Gaziantep type were distinguished (frigates of the type Oliver Hazard Perry were transferred by the Americans, all were upgraded), 4 frigates of the Yavuz type (German frigates of the MEKO 200 type) and 4 of the frigate Barbaros (of the MEKO 2000TNN type) . The six available corvettes of the Turkish Navy are the former French corvettes of the D'Estin D'Or type and the 2 corvette of the MILGEM type of their own Turkish design (a total of 8 units are planned to be built).

The submarine forces of the Turkish Navy are represented by German-made 14 diesel submarines: including the 8 modern 209 / 1400 “Preveza” project and six relatively new 209 / 1200 “Atylay” project. These submarines are the most successful submarines supplied for export, they are in service with fleets 13 countries of the world. As part of the Turkish Navy, the 6 Atylai 209 / 1200 boats, which were part of the fleet from 1976 to 1989, are planned to be replaced by modern German submarines of the 214 type with an air-independent propulsion system (AIP), the contract for their construction was signed in 2011 year .

Also in the Turkish Navy there is one brigade of marines and special forces - the 5 squadron SAS (anti-sabotage combat swimmers) and the 9 squadron SAT (combat swimmers-saboteurs). Naval aviation includes the Spanish CN-10M 235 base patrol aircraft, the S-24В anti-submarine helicopter, the multi-purpose and transport helicopter 70 and the 29 transport aircraft.

Submarine type 209 Turkish Navy


In general, today the Turkish armed forces have a fairly high level of combat capability, a substantial number, a professional and well-trained officer corps, satisfactory technical equipment (in qualitative terms). In quantitative terms, the equipment of the army with various weapons and heavy equipment is high. The Turkish army is able to solve the tasks of ensuring the country's defense against a large-scale external attack and at the same time carry out a local antiterrorist operation inside its territory. Also, the Turkish armed forces are able to take part in coalition operations involving all types of armed forces. The implementation of international and national programs for the modernization and production of weapons and military equipment will significantly increase the impact capabilities of the Turkish armed forces, which will help to cope with the existing and future threats and challenges to the Turkish state.

Experts call the strengths of the Turkish army:

- a high level of authority and support of the Armed Forces in wide sections of Turkish society;
- the exceptional status and position of officers in the military environment and society;
- a stable vertical of military administration, the presence of corporate and clan (in parts, combat arms) solidarity;
- A hard level of discipline in all divisions and units;
- saturation of the Armed Forces with military equipment and heavy weapons systems;
- availability of modern controls in the operational and tactical units;
- integration into the NATO command and control systems;
- systematic operational and combat training of troops;
- own industrial base, suitable for the production, modernization, repair of many types of military equipment and weapons, control and communications equipment, ammunition.

Information sources:
http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/3629085/post281833834
http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/372/voorugennie-sili-turcii
http://army-news.ru/2014/07/armii-grecii-i-turcii-gotovy-k-vojne-drug-protiv-druga
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/113564
http://www.rg.ru/2013/03/26/turzia.html
https://nplus1.ru/news/2015/10/27/som-j
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  1. oldav
    oldav 12 November 2015 06: 16 New
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    Have they written off the f-4 phantoms? They also had many Soviet armored personnel carriers (by the way, where did they get them from?).
    1. svp67
      svp67 12 November 2015 18: 23 New
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      Quote: oldav
      They also had many Soviet armored personnel carriers (by the way, where did they get them from?).

      From stocks of countries of the former Warsaw Pact, in particular from stocks of NNA GDR
      1. Bo Yari
        Bo Yari 8 June 2018 14: 43 New
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        Ukraine supplied
    2. nemets
      nemets 12 November 2015 21: 57 New
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      captured from Lebanon, but from Iraq
    3. Mujahiddin777
      Mujahiddin777 13 November 2015 00: 40 New
      +1
      Phantoms are still flying and patrolling the borders. Also used for training flight personnel (young animals).
      There is still the F-5, which is mainly used in the aerobatic team Turk Yildizlary (Turkish stars), F-16 and now 3,14ndos have thrown a dozen F-15. Type of border to protect from the Syrian Air Force ...
    4. CRASH
      CRASH 13 November 2015 13: 37 New
      +1
      It would not hurt us to learn from our Israeli and Turkish colleagues, they don’t irretrievably write off the equipment like we do, and then it then rusts until it crumbles, they remake it for something you need, the same phantom can be used as an attack bomber, naturally making some changes, the Israelis, remodel tanks for heavy infantry fighting vehicles, and we have cemeteries of T72 and earlier models, although now they are doing little with BMP72.
  2. istoler
    istoler 12 November 2015 06: 24 New
    +2
    Throughout the twentieth century, the Army in Turkey was the dominant political entity, now it was replaced by Muslim ideologists in the person of Erdogan in power. Typically, such changes lead to the fact that "ideologists" greatly weaken the Army in order to maintain power. It is interesting to observe how it will be in Turkey, especially since it looks like this Army will have to fight soon. angry
    1. hrych
      hrych 12 November 2015 09: 29 New
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      The hypertrophied superiority towards the ground forces and the backwardness of aviation and air defense indicates the specialization of the Turkish army in NATO - their task is to be cannon fodder against the USSR, and now the Russian Federation and the direction of the strike in time is historical - the Caucasus and the Urals (where it seems to all of them that the uprising of the Tatar and Bashkir khanates will help). However, the Russian Federation took control of the Greater Caucasus Mountain Range, impassable for the enemy, and Armenia and friendly Iran, as well as complex mountain geography completely block the path to the Caspian. If Germany and Britain hold armies less than two hundred thousand, then they are technically equipped accordingly. And to contain half a million infantry and a half of prehistoric tanks is at least unreasonable in this century, and the mountain war in Kurdistan emphasizes this where the Turks, in addition to bullying civilians, were not famous for anything. And the attempts to equip the army technically at the leading level without a massive reduction of the Turks will not be pulled, and any reduction will lead to an uprising of the Kemalists - koi are staff officers. But what if our tourists and the dependence of industry on our resources (more than 60% in particular on gas) make this state completely unstable. And in order to fulfill the ancient prophecy about the death of Turkey, the Kurds, the Kemalists, Islamists and of course the Rus must fulfill their mission, and we need Constantinople (the former Troy, not the village that the fraudster Schliemann dug on Gisarlyk) ...
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 12 November 2015 14: 27 New
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        In FIG with Turkey to fight, it is better to join the CSTO and the customs union and is fighting instead of us with ISIS.
      2. nemets
        nemets 12 November 2015 22: 02 New
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        about the antiquity of technology in the Turks, everyone showed in the video, now I am not surprised that the Syrian su-25 easily took five f-16s on target.
  3. SokolfromRussia
    SokolfromRussia 12 November 2015 07: 28 New
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    Hello to our tourists pouring billions into the Turkish economy ...
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 12 November 2015 08: 55 New
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      Quote: SokolfromRussia
      Hello to our tourists pouring billions into the Turkish economy ...
      And hello to you - you are not writing your comments from a Russian computer, are you? Gotcha, sponsor of imperialism! wink But seriously - well, where do the tourists? Everything in the world is intertwined and connected. There will be lower prices in Sochi, and better service - no one will go to Turkey.
      Quote: oldav
      They also had many Soviet armored personnel carriers (by the way, where did they get them from?).

      Little. Something about 100 BTR-80A bought. A long time ago, in the zero. Although maybe there were still some purchases.
      1. oldav
        oldav 12 November 2015 10: 42 New
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        On the video 5 years ago. From the news about the fight against the Kurds, whole columns of BTR-60 were shown.
        1. 538246
          538246 12 November 2015 17: 22 New
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          Soviet technology went to the Turks after the unification of Germany. 535 BTR-60 in the land and BTR-80 in the gendarmerie. The others there are true engines.
  4. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 12 November 2015 08: 47 New
    +3
    But what about the Israeli army, according to other sources, it is the strongest in the BV and not only theoretically, but also practically, in all military conflicts came out the winner. Question to the author. request
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 12 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Alget87
      Currently, the Turkish army is the best army in the Middle East.

      Exactly, where is Israel? Why don't Jewish comrades protest? Disgrace.)
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 12 November 2015 15: 09 New
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        Quote: Your friend
        Exactly, where is Israel? Why don't Jewish comrades protest? Disgrace.)

        Against every nonsense to protest? What's the point?
        The Turkish army is one of the strongest in the region - no doubt. The strongest? And here is a big question
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 November 2015 15: 35 New
          +1
          Against every nonsense to protest? What's the point?


          The day is clear, why protest against their own - zapadentsev. Now, if something good were said about the Russian army ....
    2. nemets
      nemets 12 November 2015 22: 06 New
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      they won due to intelligence - this is the horse of the Jews, one of the best intelligence in the world. Plus, they have good pilots - the training of pilots is hardly inferior to Russian and American. Respectively, constant clashes with the Palestinians help
  5. Limon1972
    Limon1972 12 November 2015 09: 34 New
    +1
    I didn’t even suspect that the Tureks had such an army! Why the hell are there so many troops? Or do they still want to restore their empire? I don’t think that someone will take their chance of sovereignty ...
  6. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 12 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +1
    No army will save Turkey from collapse !!!
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 12 November 2015 11: 42 New
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      You worry about the Rhodope!
      1. but still
        but still 12 November 2015 14: 07 New
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        Quote: ayyildiz
        ayyildiz RU Today, 11:42 ↑ New

        You worry about the Rhodope!


        There is no reason to worry - for socio-economic reasons, Bulgarian Turks live much better in Bulgaria, the EU country, and they are by no means interested in separatism wink
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 12 November 2015 17: 00 New
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          Who said that they live well? Everyone in Bulgaria goes to Europe to work, it would be nice to stand there and work
    2. Atilag
      Atilag 13 November 2015 14: 29 New
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      If not for Russia, the Bulgarian flag would still kiss the Turkish flag.
  7. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 12 November 2015 09: 41 New
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    Russia has always beaten Turkey !!!
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 12 November 2015 15: 21 New
      +3
      In general, just Turkey - not always. Learn the story.
      1. Your friend
        Your friend 12 November 2015 16: 45 New
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        Quote: chunga-changa
        In general, just Turkey - not always. Learn the story.

        One Prut trip worth what. (
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 12 November 2015 19: 40 New
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          Quote: Your friend
          One Prut trip worth what. (

          With whom does not happen. Even Ukrainians won at Konotop like
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 12 November 2015 19: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Quote: Your friend
            One Prut trip worth what. (

            With whom does not happen. Even Ukrainians won at Konotop like

            There the Tatars won, the army was Crimean-Polish (registered Cossacks - in the service of Poland), Ukrainians, out of habit, attributed the victory to themselves. In addition, the Zaporozhye Cossacks fought on the Russian side.
  8. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 12 November 2015 10: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    Hello to our tourists pouring billions into the Turkish economy ...

    Ours has nothing to offer in exchange for the shores of Turkey. But really, money goes to the enemy’s defense. To the enemy to the enemy. We have a long truce with the Turks)).
    1. hrych
      hrych 12 November 2015 10: 28 New
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      the coast of Syria, but under the protection of our army ... Cyprus, Greece, Sochi, Crimea laughing
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 November 2015 10: 34 New
    +4
    They have a really strong army.
    And according to the constitution of Ataturk (Mustafa Kemal), she must
    was to remove Erdogan from power for replacing the secular
    state spirit on religious.
    Only stupid Erdogan successfully takes the lead - puts
    unreliable generals in advance ...
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 12 November 2015 14: 14 New
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      voyaka uh "And according to the constitution of Ataturk (Mustafa Kemal) she must
      was to remove Erdogan from power for replacing the secular
      state spirit to religious. "
      The battle, however, happened to them.))))
  10. Aslan88
    Aslan88 12 November 2015 11: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: SokolfromRussia
    Hello to our tourists pouring billions into the Turkish economy ...

    Yes of course. Without your tourists, the Turkish army simply will not be. She is supported by Russian tourists.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 12 November 2015 18: 41 New
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      Aslan88 "Yes, of course. Without your tourists, the Turkish army simply will not exist. It is supported by Russian tourists."
      Revenues of the Turks are industry, textiles and tourism in the third place. This is indicated by all the guides upon arrival.))) So that a third of their army exactly depends on the money that our drive.)))
  11. Aslan88
    Aslan88 12 November 2015 11: 36 New
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    Quote: Limon1972
    I didn’t even suspect that the Tureks had such an army! Why the hell are there so many troops? Or do they still want to restore their empire? I don’t think that someone will take their chance of sovereignty ...

    Maybe enough already. How much can you write the same comments. I do not understand Turkey should not have a strong army?
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 12 November 2015 12: 15 New
      +7
      You did not understand. They do not resent the Turkish army, but ask the question - why such an army? And do not be nervous. You can answer on the merits - please, no - without tantrums.
    2. nemets
      nemets 12 November 2015 22: 11 New
      -1
      Well, someone should protect your Azerbaijan)))
  12. Velizariy
    Velizariy 12 November 2015 12: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: hrych
    And in order to fulfill the ancient prophecy about the death of Turkey,

    And who predicted can be clarified and when?
    1. hrych
      hrych 12 November 2015 12: 50 New
      -1
      http://forum.astrakhan.ru/index.php?showtopic=139606
      1. Velizariy
        Velizariy 12 November 2015 17: 06 New
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        So there are all the predictions of the ORTHODOX holy elders! and you, as I understood from the content of your comments, are not Orthodox, or have I made the wrong conclusion?
        1. hrych
          hrych 12 November 2015 17: 48 New
          -1
          Then what do you think I follow?
          1. nemets
            nemets 12 November 2015 22: 14 New
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            really the Talmud ?!)))
    2. nemets
      nemets 12 November 2015 22: 13 New
      -1
      Vanga -After Syria falls, Turkey will fall after -Some way if I’m not mistaken
  13. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 12 November 2015 14: 35 New
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    including 8 modern projects 209/1400 "Preveze" and six relatively new projects 209/1200 "Atylai". These submarines are the most successful exported submarines.
    But what about Varshavyanka? belay They said no analogues. request
  14. rJIiOK
    rJIiOK 12 November 2015 14: 55 New
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    Previously, Russia in all wars of the Turks has always beaten with little blood. Suvorov and Kutuzov especially liked to drive them. And then, in the 19 century and even in the First World War, the Turks even in the majority had almost no chance of defeating our soldiers. Interestingly, if we theoretically consider the local modern conflict with equal strength, will the Turks also run?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 November 2015 16: 58 New
      +3
      Not always.
      Read about the hardest siege of Pleven.
      The fortress was taken by the Russian army, but also Russians and Turks
      lost about 40 thousand people.
  15. red rocket
    red rocket 12 November 2015 15: 21 New
    +1
    all looking exactly at our military equipment and at them, they are to us as to the moon.
  16. Aslan88
    Aslan88 12 November 2015 15: 34 New
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    Quote: red rocket
    all looking exactly at our military equipment and at them, they are to us as to the moon.

    Well, depending on how Turkey rapidly develops to the moon, they will quickly reach.
    1. nemets
      nemets 12 November 2015 22: 15 New
      -1
      Well, if only it flies on sails
  17. Velizariy
    Velizariy 12 November 2015 17: 10 New
    +5
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Not always.
    Read about the hardest siege of Pleven.
    The fortress was taken by the Russian army, but also Russians and Turks
    lost about 40 thousand people.

    The attacker, with rare exceptions, suffers much more losses than the defender. And the capture of such a strong fortress as Plevna, with relatively equal losses, is a good indicator.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 November 2015 18: 37 New
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    Unless there is a qualitative superiority in armaments, for example, as in the Crimean War.
  19. moskowit
    moskowit 12 November 2015 19: 13 New
    +3
    Like it or not, a serious fighting force. In World War I, Turkey fought with dignity against the British ....
    1. nemets
      nemets 12 November 2015 22: 16 New
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      I agree they patted these with * these islanders
  20. S-cream
    S-cream 12 November 2015 21: 51 New
    +1
    Turntables are some ugly ...
  21. AID.S
    AID.S 13 November 2015 00: 42 New
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    Quote: hrych
    Turkey, the Kurds, the Kemalists, the Islamists, and of course the Rus must fulfill their mission, and we need Constantinople (the former Troy, not the village that the fraudster Schliemann dug on Gisarlyk) ...

    However, curly ... :-) But seriously, or maybe not, well, we took Constantinople, and then what, -the kingdom of God will immediately come for Russia, the states will lift the sanctions and will disappear like a hassle, everyone will wake up in the morning, -a everyone has a plane, a bank account with a billion, in the world everyone is praying for Russia, listening to her, love, trying to move to Russia for permanent residence, does the IMF give loans in rubles? Why the hell are we for Constantinople?
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 13 November 2015 19: 43 New
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      Why the hell are we for Constantinople?

      We needed straits for free access to the Mediterranean Sea. And in general, Turkey somewhat interfered with our existence - if we had resolved the matter radically in the times of Catherine and Suvorov, there would have been no Crimean War
  22. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 31 January 2018 19: 15 New
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    The hypertrophied superiority towards the ground forces and the backwardness of aviation and air defense indicates the specialization of the Turkish army in NATO - their task is to be cannon fodder against the USSR, and now the Russian Federation and the direction of the strike in time is historical - the Caucasus and the Urals (where it seems to all of them that the uprising of the Tatar and Bashkir khanates will help). However, the Russian Federation took control of the Greater Caucasus Mountain Range, impassable for the enemy, and Armenia and friendly Iran, as well as complex mountain geography completely block the path to the Caspian. If Germany and Britain hold armies less than two hundred thousand, then they are technically equipped accordingly. And to contain half a million infantry and a half of prehistoric tanks is at least unreasonable in this century, and the mountain war in Kurdistan emphasizes this where the Turks, in addition to bullying civilians, were not famous for anything. And the attempts to equip the army technically at the leading level without a massive reduction of the Turks will not be pulled, and any reduction will lead to an uprising of the Kemalists - koi are staff officers. But what if our tourists and the dependence of industry on our resources (more than 60% in particular on gas) make this state completely unstable. And in order to fulfill the ancient prophecy about the death of Turkey, the Kurds, the Kemalists, Islamists and of course the Rus must fulfill their mission, and we need Constantinople (the former Troy, not the village that the fraudster Schliemann dug on Gisarlyk) ...

    Old Hrych, and you can describe in more detail, (with examples and evidence naturally) what kind of bullying of civilians during the operation "Olive Branch" did the Turkish army carry out? If this was said for the red words, that is ... as if in French the idea to express and not hurt Khrychev’s pride ... let's just say, banal ... tryndezh ... (as old Voronin used to say, from the eponymous series) you tell me, people will not be offended ... That's why he and Khrych, old age is not joy, insanity however .. good : Yes, and the ancient prophecy ... however, a strong statement)). I'm glad that you are Hrych hi
  23. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 31 January 2018 19: 37 New
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    Why the hell are we for Constantinople?

    We needed straits for free access to the Mediterranean Sea. And in general, Turkey somewhat interfered with our existence - if we had resolved the matter radically in the times of Catherine and Suvorov, there would have been no Crimean War

    But Turkey did not interfere when, during World War II, it blocked Germany and Italy passage to the Black Sea during the capture of Crimea by the Nazis? Axis countries (Germany and Italy) could not conduct a single military vessel (including submarines and destroyers) and not a single military transport with an amphibious assault in the Black Sea? What would happen first (and most importantly in what terms) with the whole Crimea and the Krasnodar Territory, then the North Caucasus, and then with Stalingrad (which are very close to the Crimean (Black Sea) theater), if Turkey would allow Germany (axis countries) do it? But Germany and Italy did not cost anything to occupy Turkey, as previously Greece or Yugoslavia ...