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Again, the country hopes for them

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Problems of the state budget are solved at the expense of military retirees


The economic crisis and problems with the formation of the budget for 2016 year affected the military pensions. Earlier, in fact, a two percent indexation was postponed for a year in order to compensate for the draconian reduction factor 54 percent. In 2015, there was no promised indexation on the size of inflation, although it was produced for civilian pensions.

For some reason, no one making decisions about this or that reduction, does not think that a pension for many elderly people, especially those who have lost their health in military service, is the only source of subsistence. So, we must at least explain to veterans the causes of such metamorphoses. Alas, this, as a rule, does not occur.

Law and Savings

Military retired people are state-minded and ready to understand the country's financial problems. But they want to know why measures to tighten the belts apply only to pensioners and do not apply to members of the more affluent segments of the population, including the oligarchy. Income tax for all, for example, as was, and remains 13 percent.

October 1 The 2015 of the year finally finally earned that previously frozen annual 2% premium. As they say, and thanks for that. But the ease with which officials manipulate the recently adopted laws is surprising. It is about 309 FZ of 8 November 2011 of the Year “On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation and Recognizing Certain Provisions of Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation Invalidating the Adoption of the Federal Law“ On the Monetary Ammunition of Military Men and Providing Certain Payments ” the law “On social guarantees to employees of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation and the introduction of amendments to certain legislative acts of the Russian Federation”. They, we recall, simultaneously with the increase in salaries for military personnel, a new procedure for calculating pensions was established. Only four years have passed and it turned out that the effect of its norms can easily be postponed indefinitely by-laws.

Although the Constitution of the Russian Federation explicitly states that we should not pass laws that infringe social rights and guarantees of citizens, worsening their financial situation. Nevertheless, in 2016, due to the economic crisis, the state decided to improve matters at the expense of pensioners. According to lawmakers, the rejection of indexation of pensions will be the main source of saving money in the treasury. Such conclusions follow from the budget analysis and related documents. Thus, the government submitted a bill to the State Duma, according to which, since 1 in January 2016, pensioners who have been working or engaged in other activities for more than six months in the year preceding the year of indexation will not be indexed pension and fixed payment to it. Thus, the state essentially discriminates pensioners who, by virtue of their abilities and desires, are trying to help the country with their labor. This has not yet affected the military stockpile, but by itself such an approach can hardly be called logically justified. Rather, he speaks of the absence of a unified social policy in the state, a consolidated position of the legislative and executive authorities. Moreover, it seems simply absurd, and if it should affect someone, then first of all state officials who were recently allowed five years longer to remain in public service.

In 2016, the indexation of scholarships, salaries of civil servants, judges and the money allowance (DD) of the military is not provided for. For the sake of filling the budget, pension savings have been frozen for the third time. The document proposes to extend the suspension of 24 laws until the beginning of the 2017 year. The reason for this step is again the current economic situation. Although, according to statements by presidential adviser Sergey Glazyev, huge monetary and financial reserves have been accumulated in the country, and a large part of the income from the sale of energy sources is converted into US securities annually and settled in the West.

The Ministry of Finance of Russia allegedly sorely lacks money. At the same time, the federal budget is literally choking on them: unused balances in its accounts have grown since the beginning of the year, while cutting the most necessary expenses by almost 500 billion rubles, reaching 1 trillion by October 10,6. For comparison: all budget revenues-2015 are planned at the level of 12,5 trillion rubles. And the priority, judging by the reports, is not the defense industry, not social programs, or even financial speculation in the form of public debt service, but the accumulation of money and their withdrawal from Russia - to the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund, whose funds are mainly invested in US and Eurozone state securities. Thus, the main thing for our budget is financing the expenses of countries leading a new cold war with the Russian Federation, including a credit and investment blockade.

Nevertheless, military pensions are primarily the prerogative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. How is the situation with them assessed in the department itself?

At the request of the Minister


According to a special law, a pension for persons dismissed from military service is calculated from the salary of the last full-time position, the salary by military rank on the day of dismissal and the monthly bonus for long service. The amount of the pension directly depends on the duration of the military service, the conditions of its passage and the position held at the date of dismissal.

In connection with the reform of XDUMX in January 1 of the DD system of the FZ military personnel from 2012 in November 7 of the year No. 2011-FZ “On the monetary allowance of military personnel and the provision of certain payments to them”, a new DD system for military servicemen was introduced, providing for an increase in military personnel salaries account of reducing the size and number of additional payments.

Simultaneously with the implementation of this reform 309-FZ from 8 November 2011, changes were introduced that establish new rules for calculating pensions, according to which since January 1, 2012, taken into account when calculating the pension, DD is set at 54 percent.

In order to maintain the pension level from January 1, 2013 of the year provided for an annual increase of this ratio by two percent and a revision of military pensions on the first day of each subsequent year in order to bring it to 100 percent. Taking into account the inflation rate of the Federal Law on the federal budget for the next fiscal year and the planning period, this annual increase can be set at a rate exceeding two percent, which, of course, can only be welcomed. But in life everything turns out differently. Even these two percent froze for a year. And where is the guarantee that another crisis will not hit, crop failure will not happen, oil prices will not fall?

It is also necessary to say frankly that the former military could even theoretically be able to choose all 100 percent of hard earned pension only in 23 of the year. Many people just won't live to this happy day. Especially people who are 60 – 70 years old, not to mention older people. It turns out that the promised retirement interest in 100 percent is essentially an empty declaration. Why not even for the most senior category of citizens not to make an age correction that does not in any way burden the state’s pocket? By some estimates, there are only about 300 thousand of such pensioners in the country.

It is clear that the Ministry of Defense is not the Ministry of Finance, not the government and cannot independently resolve such issues. But, we give it its due, it constantly carries out work on the indexation of military pensions. Recall:

from 1 in January of 2012, the pension was revised, the average size of which increased by 50 – 70 percent;
in 2013 and 2014, pensions were revised twice a year by increasing the amount of DDs taken into account when calculating them;
since January 1, 2013 of the year was taken into account not the 54 of the notorious draconian percents, but 56 - from the DD accounted for pension accrual;
from 1 October 2013 year - 58,05 percent;
from 1 January 2014 year - 60,05 percent;
From 1 October 2014 year - 62,12 percent.


According to the military, this increase allowed an increase in 2013 in the amount of pensions to dismissed military personnel by an average of 7,5 percent, and in 2014-m - by 7 percent (2 percent higher than inflation rates established by federal budget laws for the corresponding year).

Once again, thanks to the Russian Defense Ministry for the work being done. But we know how cunning official inflation figures are, which in reality is much higher and now amounts to about 14 percent, according to independent sources.

It is also interesting that in the year 2015 there was initially no increase in DD of military personnel and pensions. In order to get the issue off the ground, it took the Minister of Defense a personal appeal to the president. Only then the issue was resolved. In particular, 20 on April 2015 was signed by the Federal Law No. 93-ФЗ “On Amendments to the Federal Law“ On the Federal Budget for 2015 Year and for the Planning Period 2016 and 2017 ”, according to which the monetary allowance taken into account when calculating pensions, from October 1, 2015 amounted to 66,78 percent, which will increase military pensions by 7,5 percent. Thus, their size will increase in monetary terms by 700 – 1200 rubles.

One thing is not clear: why should we ask about what is required by law? After all, in the 2012 year, the former military just didn’t get enough, and now, it turns out, the return of state-recognized debt must also be requested at the highest level. Why does the Minister of Defense have to remind this to our government, the country's leadership? In a legal state of choice “I want - I will give, I want - no” the official should not have. It turns out that no matter how wonderful the laws were, everything is decided by the subjective factor, the favor of high-ranking managers.

Justice is at the mercy

Now, how did military pensions change from October 1 on 2015? Their average size, as calculated by the Department of Financial Support of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, amounted to 21 290 rubles per month and exceeded the average insurance pension (12 900 rubles) 1,65 times.

Again, the country hopes for them


It is necessary to take into account at the same time that the retirement pension is assigned to servicemen after their dismissal after 20 years of service, and the insurance pension to men only after reaching the 60 age. It is clear that for 20 years of service, the pension is assigned to the minimum amount, and full - only for 32 years of military service.

What will be the future social policy of the state in relation to the personnel of the personnel, reserve and retired - time will tell. But in any case, it is impossible to hand it over to officials, even if they are of the highest rank. This is a question of the attitude of the state towards people in uniform, who have devoted their best years of life to its defense.

And another question of justice, which in Russia has always been considered one of the main criteria for social well-being of society and which is not yet talked about. Judge for yourself. In accordance with current Russian legislation:

for federal state civil servants, the pension is calculated taking into account all the additives, but for military pensioners it is not;
deputies of various state and municipal structures receive pensions from 75 percent or more, and military pensioners do not;
federal civil servants are entitled to a pension with 15 years of service, and military personnel with 20;
the allowance for special conditions of military service is set at 100 percent, while for special conditions of civil service - 200 percent (sub-clause 2 of clause 5 of article 50 of Law 2004 of the year No. 79-ФЗ “On Civil Service of the Russian Federation”).


Continuing to maintain this state of affairs at a minimum reduces the attractiveness of service in the Armed Forces and adversely affects the status of military personnel.
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  1. podpolkovnik
    podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 09: 34 New
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    To be honest, I still don’t understand what this article is about.
    Simply put - a statement of a long time ago known facts.
    Nothing new.
    Well, why was it spread here?
    Once again, to emphasize the wretched and flawed retirement benefits of us, military pensioners?
    Or fall at the feet, in gratitude for the fact that this is how it is, and does not get better?
    Who is the last in this line?
    1. Temples
      Temples 12 November 2015 09: 53 New
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      Golodets on life expectancy in Russia: "women crossed the border of 77 years, their life expectancy was 77,2, for men it is lower - 65,6."
      Medvedev recently announced that it is necessary to raise the retirement age to 65.
      Stating at the same time that life expectancy WORLDWIDE is increasing.
      In fact, with this approach of the government, most men will not care how much they compensate for pensions.
      Since there will be no one to pay it.
      And after these words, Medvedev wants to be sent "to the whole world" away from Russia.
      1. Finches
        Finches 12 November 2015 10: 00 New
        +8
        Medvedev will live up to a hundred years! Yes, and hell would be with him, but with such an atmosphere, no, no, but remember:

        "Hostile whirlwinds blow over us,
        Dark forces angrily oppress us .... "
        laughing
        1. Constructor1
          Constructor1 12 November 2015 10: 15 New
          +4
          Moreover, judging by the reports, the priority is not the “defense industry”, not social programs or even financial speculations in the form of servicing the public debt, but the accumulation of money and their withdrawal from Russia - to the Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund, the funds of which were invested mainly in US and Eurozone government securities.

          Shoot them for it.
          How much can the Fed feed? Or are they afraid that if they drown then we will follow?

          But in general - this is pure betrayal!
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          2. a.hamster55
            a.hamster55 12 November 2015 18: 05 New
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            I really sympathize with civilian pensioners! I have a total experience of 43 of the year and get a pension from the Moscow Region, PF and NPF, so I don’t cry and have no offense. But health in military service is lost a lot, and even nerves. It remains to work 17 days - the surgeon does not allow to work. I wish everyone - take care of yourself and loved ones.
        2. Very old
          Very old 12 November 2015 10: 39 New
          +4
          EVGENY, and other forum users - in the next topic - about how cold and how hot- similar issues are discussed Who did not read, take a look

          Raise the retirement age by FIVE years at once ... and cut Pensions?
          There are no indexations for working pensioners (I can’t work by age, and nobody will take it) - you can’t build an economy on Gaster
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 12 November 2015 18: 18 New
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            Quote: Very old
            Raise the retirement age by FIVE years at once ... and cut Pensions?
            There are no indexations for working pensioners (I can’t work by age, and nobody will take it) - you can’t build an economy on Gaster

            Valentine, as it was thought that if you cut the pay only to employees of the federal level, DAM, Sechin and others like that, by 1%, then they will not notice this, but for all military pensioners you can increase the pension by one percent and we will notice it.
            And I don’t understand why I need to pay the governors, Khoroshavin won a million at home, only in rubles. I thought so, if you put in the bank, then 40 thousand one percent per year. belay
          2. Finches
            Finches 12 November 2015 21: 23 New
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            So Elder, what can we do ...? May God grant you and all of us health and patience! We are and they hear us! Bad, but already much better than 20 years ago! And that means it’s not in vain! Grandchildren, children ..., aspirations for the better, and you, Elder, and we will all help with advice somewhere! This is life!
            Yours! hi
        3. varov14
          varov14 12 November 2015 10: 53 New
          +2
          Why are the dark forces angrily oppressing us, not dark but specific - the power of the oligarchs, which, by the way, we chose. "But they want to know why the belt-tightening measures only apply to pensioners and do not apply to the wealthier, including the oligarchy." ---- Who, under their authority, may deprive them of their earned benefits? They swore an oath - that was it, the question was settled, either serving Russia and the people, or the oligarchs.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 12 November 2015 12: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: varov14
            why measures to tighten the belts concern only pensioners and do not apply to representatives of the more affluent segments of the population, including the oligarchy

            The working class and the peasantry are now in the minority. I don’t take Gaster into account. Recently it was announced that the number of rich and very above average living standards almost doubled. The number of officials is growing. And the officials and the rich (to whom the deputies belong) will not offend themselves. The disenfranchised minority has only one (2) right to vote for those whom they show, and ... pay taxes. All. Capitalism, gentlemen, pensioners!
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 12 November 2015 21: 23 New
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              Quote: EvgNik
              The working class and the peasantry are now in the minority
              The working class (aka the proletariat).
              Under capitalism R. to. - this wage classdeprived of the means of production, living by selling their workforce and subject to capitalist exploitation. (Great Soviet Encyclopedia)
        4. Aksakal_07
          Aksakal_07 12 November 2015 11: 31 New
          +1
          He (Medvedev) now looks 60 years old, so he is unlikely to reach 70!
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 12 November 2015 18: 20 New
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            Quote: Aksakal_07
            He (Medvedev) now looks 60 years old, so he is unlikely to reach 70!

            Well, God forgive me, the loss is not great. In Moscow and St. Petersburg such goods are still in bulk, they will put another clown. yes
        5. Aksakal_07
          Aksakal_07 12 November 2015 11: 41 New
          +5
          He (Medvedev) now looks 60 years old, so he is unlikely to reach 70!
          Quote: EvgNik
          How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws?

          During the Soviet era, all the deputies were builders, artists, collective farmers. And the laws were passed normally. In addition, the deputies came to their session 2-3 times a year for only a few days, they did not receive a payment for being a deputy. And the current ones have half a million patches, other allowances, 4 paid assistants each, but they do not go to the Duma, but mostly deal with their "gesheft".
          Former deputies, hard workers did not write laws - this is true. But when they passed the laws, they did not vote for the stupid and simply lobbying bills of someone's interests.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 12 November 2015 12: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Aksakal_07
            In the days of the USSR

            Absolutely agree. In those days, being a deputy was like a reward. And I think that is right. But no more than that. And the laws were adopted normal because they were written by normal people. And the state was built as a state for all, and not for a handful of oligarchs. Now capitalism is presented to us as the only possible world order, and socialism as utopia, although some capitalist states have almost created communism in themselves, being called capitalist.
      2. Andrea
        Andrea 12 November 2015 11: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Temples
        In fact, with this approach of the government, most men will not care how much they compensate for pensions.
        And this is what is surprising, pension funds are shaking, they are introducing new taxes (although they shouted ... about truckers being loaded, they will eventually shout and increase the price of transportation, and pay us again, including pensioners.)
        But the progressive tax enter hesitate repeat .
        After all, it’s not a good thing to impose a tax on yourself. repeat
      3. Col.
        Col. 12 November 2015 13: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Temples
        Medvedev recently said

        Are you still listening to the statements of this worthless fellow? I advise you not to watch the zomboyaschik at all, otherwise very many are already hooked on the "Ostankino igloo" ...
      4. the most important
        the most important 13 November 2015 09: 41 New
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        The country was ashamed of Gorbachev, always drunk, for Yeltsin's drunkard, and now for LAD who had not played enough in childhood ... Something seems to me that he will be appointed as the last one for the crisis and will be dismissed when the discontent of the people begins to roll over.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 November 2015 10: 05 New
      -1
      The Reserve Fund and the National Welfare Fund are generally located in our country, and not in US securities, all the more our contribution to these securities is becoming less and less.
    3. 3axap82
      3axap82 12 November 2015 10: 18 New
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      Well, if you, being a military pensioner, did not understand what this article was for, then most likely you are not a military pensioner. That your rank is lieutenant colonel is not a rank, but a sexual orientation. And is Colonel Putin in this case?
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 12 November 2015 12: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: podpolkovnik
      Simply put - a statement of a long time ago known facts.
      Nothing new.


      For example, I have a 20 wage category / senior lieutenant colonel / length of service 28 calendars, a pension of about 25 tr. from October 01. everything is as in the table. For comparison, my wife has a work experience of 38 years and a "net" pension without allowances of 7600 rubles. So compare.
    5. goose
      goose 12 November 2015 14: 54 New
      +2
      Ordinary pensioners did not dream of military pensions. It turns out that officials illegally assigned pensions to themselves, taking advantage of the proximity to the state feeder. Those who were farthest from the feeder received a minimum pension.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2015 09: 34 New
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    pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr. winked
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 12 November 2015 09: 37 New
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      We don’t have to divide (I’m a spack). Separated people and stupid thieves.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2015 10: 13 New
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        Quote: NordUral
        We don’t have to divide (I’m a spack). Separated people and stupid thieves.

        Yes, I don’t share, I’m just trying to say that the military pensioners, everything is not so bad, they deserve it. hi
    2. cniza
      cniza 12 November 2015 09: 38 New
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      Quote: Andrew Y.
      pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr. winked




      And this is a Russian miracle ... no one would have survived, only our pensioners can do that.
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    4. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 09: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr. winked

      Guys, let's no offense. But here the principle is more suitable - who, what he studied ...
      1. Goga101
        Goga101 12 November 2015 09: 58 New
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        podpolkovnik - and what now, everyone should go to "study to be a judge"? Because these "hard workers" have such pensions that the military never dreamed of ..., especially civilians ... well, it is understandable, what could any civil engineer have done for the country? But the former judges - yes, that's what the country held on to them, and of course they deserved their pensions, well, also the former governors (those who have not yet sat down) - for those who still have kamunizm - they assign salaries and pensions to themselves ... Of course, you can't save on them - only on us ...
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 10: 13 New
          +3
          During the years of my studies at a military school, a joke of the following content went among the cadets:
          The baby son comes to his father, a military man, and asks:
          - Dad, and if I graduate from a military school, then I will become a lieutenant?
          “Of course you will, son.”
          - Dad, will I become a captain?
          “Of course you will, son.”
          - Dad, will I become a colonel?
          - With a certain degree of probability, you can very well become a colonel, son.
          - Dad, can I become a general?
          - No, son, you won’t.
          - Dad, why not?
          - Because the generals, son, have their own children ...

          Now I will answer your question.
          Quote: Goga101
          and now, everyone should go "to study to be a judge"?

          It is unlikely to succeed.
          For the simple reason that judges also have their own children ...
      2. Tomich2
        Tomich2 12 November 2015 11: 09 New
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        Who studied what ?! My uncle is a disabled person of the II group since childhood (no both legs - he walks all his life on prostheses), my pension is 8 600! Are you not ashamed to cry about your "little" pension? !!!! Moral ur..dy!
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 09 New
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        Quote: podpolkovnik
        But here the principle is more suitable - who, what he studied ...

        And rightly so. The military has such a profession - to defend the homeland, and it was valued at all times, and it was not for nothing that in Soviet times, those who did not serve in the army were considered, well, to put it mildly, inferior. And the soldiers rode the buses for free. Not because there was no money - conductors did not take!
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 12 November 2015 15: 02 New
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          And the soldiers rode the buses for free. Not because there was no money - conductors did not take!


          They had free travel. But there were no conductors (maybe, earlier, I only remember the beginning of 80's), there were cashbox-banks. Throw the money and tear off the ticket. Or you compost a container that you bought in advance.
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 12 November 2015 18: 47 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            They had free travel. But there were no conductors (maybe, earlier, I only remember the beginning of 80's), there were cashbox-banks. Throw the money and tear off the ticket. Or you compost a container that you bought in advance.

            There were, dear colleague, conductors. My mother gave me 15 kopecks to school, just how much a small cupcake cost, so from school I at best drove one or two stops, then the conductor by the ear and on foot. This is the beginning of the seventies. hi
    5. V.ic
      V.ic 12 November 2015 09: 49 New
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      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension!

      A citizen in a coat (well, the one who is "in civilian life") CHOOS location and work, and a citizen in an overcoat (the one who "in uniform") chose SERVICE... I will not explain to you about the difference in the blessings of life in a remote garrison and in the most provincial town (this is in peacetime!). And your complaints about the extremely low level of pensions "in civilian life" are not to the military department ...
      1. would
        would 12 November 2015 11: 03 New
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        Nice words. Only now they are breaking up about the example of officers who sit almost in their entire place in one place. How they do it this way is a different and also very interesting question, but I have seen these more than once or twice.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 30 New
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          Quote: rait
          Only now they are breaking about the example of officers who sit almost all their service in one place

          But by and large, can they be called officers who defend their homeland? Here I do not mean the high command, but only the junior officers. Although there are some (junior) who sit in one place, but they are just officials, and I think they have a larger pension than the rest who serve where the Motherland sends.
          1. would
            would 13 November 2015 05: 23 New
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            Well, they fulfill their duties! They work. So it’s quite possible even for yourself, there are those who travel around the country and they need to be thrown down guard in advance.

            and their pension, I think, is greater than that of the rest, who serve where the Motherland sends.


            Well, they also have better living conditions. Many apartments are in poor condition because it is unprofitable for all their owners to make normal repairs. Let's say we invest 50 thousand rubles and many hours of work in an apartment from which you will leave after 3 years ... why? So sitting in one place from the point of view of preparing the housing stock is not so bad.
    6. Col.
      Col. 12 November 2015 10: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension!


      Counter offer: but civilians would try to serve 30 years in the garrisons, change a dozen service apartments, stay awake for days in outfits, guards, exercises, freeze their hands, "twist the nuts" in the cold, "grab" a dose of radiation, etc., and etc. Everywhere and at all times military labor was respected and paid accordingly. So it was and so it should be! By the way, almost all the benefits were gradually taken away from the military. For your information: servicemen in the United States have (apart from very substantial "salaries") about 140 different benefits, not only for the military personnel themselves, but also for family members.
      As for the indexation of military pensions, in fairness it must be said that since September of this year they have been increased by 7.5% (but this is between us ... yes )
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 10: 14 New
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        Quote: Colonel
        As for the indexation of military pensions, in fairness it must be said that since September of this year they have been increased by 7.5% (but this is between us ...)

        They directly made us happy, colleague ...
        Or am I wrong?
        1. Col.
          Col. 12 November 2015 13: 17 New
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          Quote: podpolkovnik
          They directly made us happy, colleague ...
          Or am I wrong?

          Yes, of course he is right! First they humiliated, having taken away almost all the benefits and cut the pensions with the bestial coefficient 0.54, and then they throw handouts and present it as a manifestation of tireless care ...
      2. Tomich2
        Tomich2 12 November 2015 11: 13 New
        +3
        And you did not try to work as a bricklayer in - 25 with the wind on the 8th floor? !! When two pairs of treetops in the trash per shift ?! Look at you, he screwed nuts in the cold !!!
      3. Andryukha
        Andryukha 12 November 2015 12: 46 New
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        Is it true that the military can retire at 40?
        1. the most important
          the most important 13 November 2015 10: 04 New
          -1
          And this is true. that the military can retire at 40?
          True! But they can leave at 20 if they are not lucky with wounds, disabilities or, God forbid, a war and you have to go into battle ...
    7. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 12 November 2015 10: 09 New
      +8
      Dear Andrey Yuryevich! Civil pension is really very low. My wife receives 10 thousand rubles. Let's, instead of raising the civilian pension, lower the military, well, at least to 9 thousand rubles. Easily and beautifully solve a social problem. And, most importantly, no one will envy military pensioners.
      I am a military pensioner. 33 years of service. 23 of them are in a remote area, where a car shop came once a week (if you could get there). Three times God saved, remained alive.
      For service without a choice, where they would be ordered in, to put it mildly, uncivilized conditions, sometimes with a threat to life and health, the state promised certain benefits, and now it is refusing its own promises. An article about this.
      And the reason for all this is that no one represents the interests of pensioners (both civilian and military), and people who have not reached pre-retirement age do not even think about this in view of our Russian mentality.
      I had to read letters from General Roskhin to Yeltsin on this subject. That was a human being. For this they killed.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 12 November 2015 10: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Army 2
        For this they killed.

        Maybe that's why the official "opposition" is not visible or heard? Are they waiting for the people to "mature"? Then it will be too late.
      2. Andryukha
        Andryukha 12 November 2015 12: 51 New
        +3
        Here's the thing: you think that hard workers lived easier, although you have little idea how to live 65 years at the factory. hard workers believe that many military are engaged in nonsense, although they have little idea of ​​life in the garrisons.
        It makes sense to listen to those who have both experiences.
      3. Col.
        Col. 12 November 2015 13: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Army 2
        I had to read letters from General Roskhin to Yeltsin on this subject. That was a human being. For this they killed.

        You probably meant General Lev Rokhlin? He was not killed for the letter, but because they revealed his preparations for the arrest of EBN in order to establish normal power. The wife (Rokhlin) was accused of murder ...
    8. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      but they would try to live on a "civil" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr.

      We civilians do not live, but survive. You don’t get used to Russian. It’s good if the woman has a husband alive, but the children work. Then it's okay. But if a woman is alone, the children scattered, then I feel sorry for them. It happens that a man remains alone, but this is less common.
    9. alicante11
      alicante11 12 November 2015 14: 57 New
      +2
      pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr. winked


      But let pensioners try with 12-tr. live in-six on 30k. rubles. I'll look at them then. This question is also of interest to us, who is worse off now, working people, and especially young people who do not have seniority and receive, accordingly, generally a penny, and even risk losing these pennies when they are reduced, or for pensioners who have at least I would have housing for a long time. Here in the trolleybus depot of the repairman of repair shop receive - 15t.r. In the operational depot TMX-Service, not much more - the average 25, the initial one is also not more than 20. Live, young and don’t deny yourself anything, rent an apartment, grow up children, and you still want to acquire and relax something for yourself, even in Primorye.
      And just do not talk about getting a job on 2-3-4. Swam, we know what it means to sleep one night out of three. This is not life, with such a life it’s not just about retirement, not everyone will live up to 50.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 November 2015 21: 32 New
        0
        With two works of people in our country more and more.
  3. sds87
    sds87 12 November 2015 09: 35 New
    10
    For high officials there is no concern for the people whom they "serve". For them, the people are a means of profit. Therefore, even for the military, there is no honor and basic respect. What can we say about the common population, in which officials tighten their belt already and already around the neck ..
  4. cniza
    cniza 12 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +5
    It is clear that the Ministry of Defense is not the Ministry of Finance, not the government and cannot independently resolve such issues. But, let's give credit, it is constantly working on the indexation of military pensions.



    Remove liberals from power and everything will work and balance, let professionals in power, not "comfortable and loyal" and everyone will be happy.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 November 2015 21: 37 New
      0
      Only here, these professionals falling into power will turn into the same liberals - power is a thing transforming a person, often not for the better.
  5. NordUral
    NordUral 12 November 2015 09: 36 New
    +4
    The official crook.
  6. EvgNik
    EvgNik 12 November 2015 09: 39 New
    19
    We have a nightmare with pensions. The deputies themselves set the salary and benefits and pensions themselves. This is generally the same if the employee will set his own salary for himself. Involuntarily, the question arises: do we really need deputies of all levels? How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws? And is this his business? Laws are the work of lawyers.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 09: 49 New
      14
      Quote: EvgNik
      Involuntarily, the question arises: do we really need deputies of all levels? How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws? And is this his business?

      They themselves answered their own question ...
      Which deputies are such and laws.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 11 New
        0
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        They themselves answered their own question ..

        So the question was rhetorical.
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 12 November 2015 09: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: EvgNik
      We have a nightmare with pensions. The deputies themselves set the salary and benefits and pensions themselves. This is generally the same if the employee will set his own salary for himself. Involuntarily, the question arises: do we really need deputies of all levels? How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws? And is this his business? Laws are the work of lawyers.

      We have a prime minister, a lawyer, and what has become much easier and better? Laws should be written primarily by professionals in the field of law. And the law should be written in a clear language and avoid double interpretations.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 09: 52 New
        +8
        Quote: pv1005
        We have a prime ...

        You made a discovery for me ... I would never have thought that we have a prime minister (sarcasm) ...
        Rather, like this:
        I never would have thought that something occupying this place could be the prime minister ...
        1. Pulya
          Pulya 12 November 2015 11: 12 New
          +1
          something taking this place may be the prime minister ..

          Not words, but sweet nectar !!!!!!!
      2. Private27
        Private27 12 November 2015 10: 28 New
        +1
        We have the Premier of Judah and the surname of Onon Mendel and onon money in the sash. It’s a place on the bunks.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 12 November 2015 21: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Private27
          We have a prime Judah
          President of Russian Federation:

          a) appoint, with the consent of the State Duma, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;

          b) has the right to chair meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation;

          c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;

          d) submits to the State Duma a candidate for appointment to the post of Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation; puts before the State Duma the issue of dismissal of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation;

          e) at the suggestion of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, appoints and dismisses the deputies of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers;
    3. Simon
      Simon 12 November 2015 09: 56 New
      0
      It is necessary to make sure that the people set their salaries in a referendum on the work done, then they can think.
    4. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 12 November 2015 10: 52 New
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws? And is this his business? Laws are the work of lawyers.

      Remember the words of Lenin about the cook. Only completely. I remember the words of Chubais that professionals should deal with politics. And they continue.
      The deputy must be an honest person with a conscience. Who understands the problems of the country. And the opportunity to work with professional consultants. Dreams
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 34 New
        0
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        An honest person with a conscience must be a deputy
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 12 November 2015 19: 33 New
        0
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        The deputy must be an honest person with a conscience. Who understands the problems of the country. And the opportunity to work with professional consultants. Dreams

        You, Dear colleague, however, a dreamer, in a nightmare, you don’t even have such a dream that the authorities would be honest. belay Yes, that would understand the problems of the country, but such individuals are not found in our nature. wassat
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 12 November 2015 20: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          ... this is not a dream in a nightmare ...

          I understand that now it is manilovism, but what about without "horizons"?
    5. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 12 November 2015 19: 13 New
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      We have a nightmare with pensions. The deputies themselves set the salary and benefits and pensions themselves. This is generally the same if the employee will set his own salary for himself. Involuntarily, the question arises: do we really need deputies of all levels? How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws? And is this his business? Laws are the work of lawyers.

      Evgeny Nikolaevich, why do we even need a bicameral parliament, if the State Duma at least portrays any activity, then the Federation Council does not even bother to create the appearance of work. But funds for the maintenance of these people's deputies are spent unmeasured. No.
  7. pts-m
    pts-m 12 November 2015 09: 41 New
    +6
    The more information you get, the more you lose patriotism.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. guzik007
      guzik007 12 November 2015 09: 51 New
      +1
      patriotic education is the ability to clearly and clearly explain why we live worse than the rest.))
    3. Andryukha
      Andryukha 12 November 2015 12: 53 New
      0
      The more I know other countries, the more I love Russia.
  8. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 12 November 2015 09: 46 New
    10
    "According to lawmakers, the refusal to index pensions will become the main source of saving money in the treasury. Such conclusions follow from the analysis of the budget and related documents. Thus, the government submitted a bill to the State Duma, according to which, from January 1, 2016, pensioners who work or are engaged in other six months in the year preceding the year of indexation, the insurance pension and the fixed payment to it are not indexed. Thus, the state is essentially discriminating against pensioners who, by virtue of their capabilities and desire, are trying to help the country with whatever work they can. "

    How does it say? "To endure all the hardships and hardships of military service."
    So pensioners are those who have already endured hardships and hardships and are currently not in the service.
    And I am ashamed of the state, which is unable to provide the servicemen who gave it years and the health of servicemen, be they the military, the police, the Ministry of Emergencies, or anyone else. I am ashamed of the state, which, due to its incompetence (impotence of the financial plan), forces a pensioner to look for a job. OW, POWER HOLDING! The very concept of "pensioner" implies that a person has worked his way, gave the state everything that is supposed to be and can rest with a clear conscience, and not knock down the thresholds of offices where personnel officers talk to him through the lip (why do you need this old ruin!).
    And if you can’t give a decent pension, then at least do not take it away with sounding phrases and hiding behind good intentions like advocating for the state.

    "A two-fold increase in the cost of maintaining the State Duma apparatus has already been spelled out in the budget for 2016. Izvestia reported this. Note that this decision was made in parallel with the idea of ​​reducing budget spending on payments to doctors and teachers.
    Taken here: http://piter.tv/event/Minfin_v_dva_raza_povisit_zarplati_sotrudnikam_Gosdumi/

    Well not with .. whether?
  9. Goga101
    Goga101 12 November 2015 09: 48 New
    +1
    Min Fin and Min EkR do not want to work and do not know how. They would have to "monitor the situation", that is, sit, do nothing and wait for oil to rise in price suddenly .... Instead of developing production, expanding the tax base and thereby filling the budget, these "Gaidarites" propose to save budget funds on pensioners - and this is a dead end - in the country, and so there is a significant decrease in consumer demand, and pensioners are a noticeable part of those " buyers "and if they are not given pensions, then trade, and therefore producers, will also receive less of this money, therefore, their receipts to the budget and social funds will decrease - and then what? Still cut pensions? The policy of "cutting costs" will very quickly lead to a decrease in income ... it is a pity that "our" ministers do not come up with a simple idea - in order to get more money into the budget - you need to develop your own REAL economy, and not inflate banking bubbles and drain all funds over the hill fool
  10. LPD17
    LPD17 12 November 2015 09: 49 New
    +7
    In August of this year, US government securities were bought for $ 8 billion .... The budget is being saved. From people. Over the ocean. Whose decision is it and with whose knowledge?
    1. pts-m
      pts-m 12 November 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      it looks like the utopia of the dreams of government officials ... to drive Yankistan into debt ... here in a simple situation they can’t shake the debt from the urine, and from pin.do.sii they will not work out. can they prepare a platform for themselves there?
  11. Kirgh
    Kirgh 12 November 2015 09: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Get liberals out of power

    How to "remove" them?
    These are all slogans, but how can this really be done, even if "our" Central Bank is never ours !?
    Everything is done gradually, IMHO, so as not to shoot yourself in the foot.

    Well, what about military pensioners? They didn’t live richly and there was nothing to start. Compared to my parents, who gave 40 years or more in the workplace, I still get more, and they still manage to help their grandchildren!
    To the extreme, we’ll plant more potatoes ...
  12. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 12 November 2015 09: 50 New
    +1
    All this is certainly true, but the problem is much deeper than it seems! And it's not about military pensioners. All the same, sanctions have an effect for the vile bourgeoisie. Now the entire budget sphere is feeling this, it just seems to people that this is only on the ground, and this is everywhere, and still have to suffer, because Russia will have to pay for an independent foreign policy. And in another way we can lose the country. And this is a completely different story. .
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 12 November 2015 19: 42 New
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      All this is certainly true, but the problem is much deeper than it seems! And it's not about military pensioners. All the same, sanctions have an effect for the vile bourgeoisie. Now the entire budget sphere is feeling this, it just seems to people that this is only on the ground, and this is everywhere, and still have to suffer, because Russia will have to pay for an independent foreign policy. And in another way we can lose the country. And this is a completely different story. .

      Dmitry, let me disagree with you. Moreover, here is the foreign policy and the level of pensions of military personnel and salaries of deputies. That the independence of foreign policy depends on the level of salaries of deputies.
      "A two-fold increase in the cost of maintaining the State Duma apparatus has already been spelled out in the budget for 2016. Izvestia reported this. Note that this decision was made in parallel with the idea of ​​reducing budget spending on payments to doctors and teachers.

      or money that was taken from military pensioners will strengthen the independence of foreign policy. request
  13. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 12 November 2015 09: 57 New
    +4
    "Military retirees are state-minded and ready to understand the country's financial problems."
    Medvedev doesn't think so. Officials, he said, are, yes, people with state thinking. They were even "happy" about raising the retirement age. I suspect the petty officials were the most "happy".
    The rest do not understand and do not die on time. They also want to tinker with their grandchildren. You can't. This is what Medvedev said. Our children are not allowed even more if they "grow up" to retirement age.
    State thinking, in my opinion, is concern for the state. The state is people. The authorities think differently, the state is them.
  14. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 12 November 2015 09: 58 New
    0
    Quote: podpolkovnik
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr. winked

    Guys, let's no offense. But here the principle is more suitable - who, what he studied ...

    Of course no offense. Those who have not studied at all can die. This is Sparta))
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 10: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      Quote: podpolkovnik
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      pity of course military pensioners ... but they would try to live on a "civilian" regular pension! that is, by 8-10-12 tr. winked

      Guys, let's no offense. But here the principle is more suitable - who, what he studied ...

      Of course no offense. Those who have not studied at all can die. This is Sparta))

      That is, you offer to equalize all?
      In the words of the unforgettable Polygraph Poligrafovich Sharikov:
      This, as hers, Engels' correspondence with this, as he, the devil ... with Kautsky.
      - Let me know what you can say about what you read?
      - Yes, I do not agree.
      - What, with Engels or with Kautsky?
      - With both.
      - Yes, and what can you offer?
      - What is there to offer? And then they write, they write ... Congress, some Germans ... The head swells! Take everything, and divide.
      (M. Bulgakov. "Heart of a Dog" (C))
  15. Buffalo
    Buffalo 12 November 2015 10: 01 New
    +1
    "Problems of the state budget are being solved at the expense of military pensioners."
    The author from his bell tower looks at the problem ...
    -Alas! They are robbing in Russia not only military pensioners, but all highly paid ones.
    Civilians, no one is paid more than what corresponds to a coefficient of 1,2, with the exception of personal pensioners, such as flight test personnel. The state "forgives" the rest of us ...
  16. JonnyT
    JonnyT 12 November 2015 10: 06 New
    +5
    we young people no longer have illusions about a future pension. All friends say that, it seems, we will not live to see her.
    In general, as you look at these well-fed and well-groomed faces of officials and in the government, you do not feel anything but acute hostility. And as you listen, so in general there is hatred! The latest opuses of Medvedev are so generally "Life expectancy is growing - the retirement age must be increased, Russia needs more officials." These are the servants of the people with us.
  17. Roust
    Roust 12 November 2015 10: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: podpolkovnik
    To be honest, I still don’t understand what this article is about.
    Simply put - a statement of a long time ago known facts.
    Nothing new.
    Well, why was it spread here?
    Once again, to emphasize the wretched and flawed retirement benefits of us, military pensioners?
    Or fall at the feet, in gratitude for the fact that this is how it is, and does not get better?
    Who is the last in this line?

    What is incomprehensible? ... Until the baby cries, - the mother will not give a boobs. In other words, silence is not always gold and the military pensioner's wallet will not increase from this.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 10: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Roust
      What is incomprehensible? ... Until the baby cries, - the mother will not give a boobs. In other words, silence is not always gold and the military pensioner's wallet will not increase from this.

      Do you have to offer something specific?
      Ready to listen to your specific suggestions.
      If you have any.
  18. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 12 November 2015 10: 18 New
    0
    Thus, the main thing for our budget is financing the expenses of countries leading a new cold war with the Russian Federation, which includes a credit and investment blockade.

    Unfortunately, our government serves the interests of anyone but the Russian people. Another year or two of such work - and the economy will finally bend, one military-industrial complex will remain. But guns do not live without oil.
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 12 November 2015 10: 22 New
    +1
    We have a whole military family. Both my wife and I were in military service, and there are many among our acquaintances. Sometimes we gather for a cup of tea and make fun of our wives with such pensions (10-11t), they certainly will not run away from us. The family will be stronger.
  20. vsdvs
    vsdvs 12 November 2015 10: 22 New
    0
    "for federal civil servants, the pension is calculated taking into account all additions," - but no more than 2.8 salaries (for reference, the head of a department in the territorial body of the federal civil service has a salary of 6700 rubles and with maximum length of service for 25 years of service will receive a state pension 75% of this amount ~ t e. 15000r and only after 65 years on a new project)
    "federal government civil servants have the right to a pension from 15 years of service" from 2016, too, from 20 years, while the pension will be 50%, and 75% only after 30 years of service.
    So fairy tales about high incomes concern only employees of the federal subjects and employees of ministries. Local federal public servants are either almost pensioners and pensioners who have nowhere else to go, or young graduates of universities who earn seniority and dump at the first opportunity where it is satisfying and warm.
  21. Waterfowl
    Waterfowl 12 November 2015 10: 25 New
    -4
    Military pensioners burst into tears. You see, they pay us a little. I am also a military pensioner, not a colonel and a pension of 25000 rubles. My wife was everywhere with me. She has a pension of 11000. Money ....., money ..... money. Money for pensioners !!!!!!! In short, it is necessary to add salaries to contractors twice, officers and pensioners - no.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Waterfowl
      In short, it is necessary to add salaries to contractors twice, officers and pensioners - no.

      Ага.
      And put the contractors (I understand that under the term "contract soldiers"you mean contracted military personnel serving as soldiers and sergeants) lead and command officers ...
      Keep another quote from the classics:
      you, in the presence of people with a university education, allow yourself with swagger completely unbearable to give any advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic same stupidity ...
      (M. Bulgakov. "Heart of a Dog" (C))
      1. Waterfowl
        Waterfowl 12 November 2015 11: 07 New
        -3
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Ага.
        And to put contractors (as I understand, by the term "contractors", you mean servicemen doing military service under contract in the positions of soldiers and sergeants) to lead and command officers ...

        Do not be fooled dear!
        I propose bringing the salaries of contract soldiers closer to the salaries of lieutenants.
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 11: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Waterfowl
          Do not be fooled dear!
          I propose bringing the salaries of contract soldiers closer to the salaries of lieutenants.

          The question is which of us is fooling, dear.
          I have already quoted Sharikov once.
          In fact, you offer to equalize them in DD.
          The chief cannot have a tariff category close to his subordinates.
        2. guzik007
          guzik007 12 November 2015 12: 46 New
          0
          Do not be fooled dear!
          I propose bringing the salaries of contract soldiers closer to the salaries of lieutenants.

          And the navel, excuse me, the budget, will not get loose?
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 12 November 2015 13: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: guzik007
            And the navel, excuse me, the budget, will not get loose?

            His proposal will be examined with interest in the government. Perhaps soon the lieutenant’s salary will be brought closer to the contractor’s salary. Savings will go to additional benefits for deputies. wink
  22. fif21
    fif21 12 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +2
    1. Publish the list of the deputies who voted for this law. (People should know their "benefactors") 2. Gentlemen, lawyers in uniform, maybe it's time to file lawsuits with the courts! 3. The authorities "ran into" the "truckers" - they blocked the roads and the authorities backed down, if veteran organizations cannot stand up for pensioners, then the leaders need to be replaced (who needs wedding generals with 30 tariffs?) 4. How long can you remain naive "Chukchi" young men in terms of duty, honor, conscience. Few people in Russia can understand these words. In Russia, strength and only strength have always been respected.
  23. maestro123
    maestro123 12 November 2015 10: 37 New
    0
    Quote: podpolkovnik
    Guys, let's no offense. But here the principle is more suitable - who, what studied ..


    If you follow this logic, it turns out that the thieving official has nothing to look into his pocket, because:

    Who studied what!


    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 10: 57 New
      -2
      Quote: maestro123
      Quote: podpolkovnik
      Guys, let's no offense. But here the principle is more suitable - who, what studied ..


      If you follow this logic, it turns out that the thieving official has nothing to look into his pocket, because:

      Who studied what!


      [center] [/ center]


      And so it turns out:
      some studied at the Higher Education Institutes to lead troops;
      others - build houses, build roads, build factories and work on them;
      the third is to steal.
      And what do you disagree with?
  24. Waterfowl
    Waterfowl 12 November 2015 10: 39 New
    -4
    DD to contractors to add twice! At the same time: pensions for those who still serve - to cancel, pensions for military pensioners in connection with the enthusiasm of DD to ordinary and serge. composition (contractors) not to produce. Carry out only if the DD is hanged by the officers.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 11: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Waterfowl
      DD to contractors to add twice!

      Eka you have enough.
      That is, practically equalize the tariff ranks of the sergeant and captain.
      Quote: Waterfowl
      At the same time: pensions to those who still serve - cancel

      How many served (22 calendar), I have never seen a military pensioner who manages to both serve and receive a military pension. This is where you saw this?
      Quote: Waterfowl
      pensions to military pensioners in connection with the enthusiasm of DD to ordinary and serge. composition (contractors) not to produce

      Even better.
      That is, military pensioners from among the military personnel who served under the contract on the posts of soldiers and sergeants?
      Enchanting.
      Quote: Waterfowl
      Carry out only if the DD is hanged to the officers

      Probably increase DD?
      EMNIP, tariffs increase all at once.
      Quote: Waterfowl
      I am also a military pensioner, not a colonel and pension 25000r

      Judging by literacy, presentation, punctuation and awareness - not even an officer.

      Another "Crimean woman, daughter of an officer, everything is not so simple with us"?
      Sorry, I did not recognize you in makeup.
      1. Waterfowl
        Waterfowl 12 November 2015 11: 28 New
        -2
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        EMNIP, tariffs increase all at once.

        All at once, yes! In the future, this should not be done.
      2. Waterfowl
        Waterfowl 12 November 2015 11: 30 New
        -1
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Judging by literacy, presentation, punctuation and awareness - not even an officer.

        And not Russian! Bad luck!!!!!
      3. Waterfowl
        Waterfowl 12 November 2015 11: 33 New
        -2
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        This is where you saw this?

        Retired in 1999 year. Then some part was paid.
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      4. Waterfowl
        Waterfowl 12 November 2015 11: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Judging by literacy,

        You are absolutely right! I do not have enough literacy to take care of my pocket in the first place.
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 12: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Waterfowl
          Retired in 1999 year. Then some part was paid.

          Do not own the situation.
          Additive to DD for length of service. The longer the service, the higher the premium.
          Do not own the situation.
          Teach materiel.
          Quote: Waterfowl
          And not Russian! Bad luck!!!!!

          Quote: Waterfowl
          You are absolutely right! I do not have enough literacy to take care of my pocket in the first place.

          So what?
          My dad is Belarusian, my mom is Ukrainian.
          So now - stop being literate to all those with parents of a different nationality?
  25. roskot
    roskot 12 November 2015 10: 41 New
    +1
    The hot topic is retirement. And she is hot because it is unfairly distributed between officials and the people. Some work, others are looking for more to grab. That's how we live.
  26. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +1
    Pension juggling suggests that a certain group of government officials are deliberately preparing the way for a social explosion. By the way, we learned how to use this situation well so-called. "liberals". So who benefits from it? An economy with finances or a group of people seeking a change of power?
    1. dmb
      dmb 12 November 2015 13: 23 New
      0
      A very deep thought. It remains only to find out why this "group" needs it? For not a single "liberal" will come to power in this case. And if people who represent the interests of those whom the current government is robbing come to it, so what's wrong with that? Not, of course, if you are a member of the Ozero cooperative, then your concern is understandable. There really is a discrepancy here. All the laws that allow the people to be "happy" with new extortions are signed by the not unknown Guarantor. And here it is one of two things: either the Guarantor does not care about the people, or he is stupid. and does not understand that this leads to a change of power. Which option is closer to you?
  27. kostik1301
    kostik1301 12 November 2015 10: 47 New
    +2
    Once again, I’m convinced that the current oligarchic vertical of power with the entire government and EdR with its leaders is high time to send PERFORMING on KOLYMA - our head has decayed for a long time .............
  28. Support
    Support 12 November 2015 10: 47 New
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    Honestly, the military has a small pension. Very small. To shame too small. The oligarch is completely ofigel. Together with Legislative Oragans. It is time for these Legislature bodies to check their bodies for compliance. Cover their asses, and babos fluid pay. Or are they hoping for their pocket PSCs? as it all starts to get ......
    1. Waterfowl
      Waterfowl 12 November 2015 11: 02 New
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      Quote: Prop
      Honestly, the military has a small pension.

      Who are you comparing with? It should be compared with the average pension in Russia. What, they dragged us by the ears to become officers? I retired at 45 years, and dad 60. Who had more health at the time of retirement? Stop blaming the state.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 12 November 2015 12: 23 New
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        Quote: Waterfowl
        Quote: Prop
        Honestly, the military has a small pension.

        Who are you comparing with? It should be compared with the average pension in Russia. What, they dragged us by the ears to become officers? I retired at 45 years, and dad 60. Who had more health at the time of retirement? Stop blaming the state.

        Summarized all my polemics with you.
        Something it reminds me ... right by the training manual:
        Good day to all!
        I myself am not Russian, the daughter of an officer - a military pensioner.
        We here on a military pension are not so clear!
        Nobody wants to increase payments to military pensioners.
        Nobody wants the monetary allowance of lieutenants to be higher than the DD of soldiers and sergeants under the contract. Moreover, no one wants to be promoted to officers at all.
        And in general, no one wants to be literate, because it interferes with making money and taking care of your pocket.
        And in general, since no one drags by the ears in military schools, then there is nothing to go there.
  29. ava09
    ava09 12 November 2015 11: 00 New
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    (C) Military retirees are people with state thinking and are ready to understand the country's financial problems.
    It is a pity that only those on whom the solution of the country's problems depends do not want to understand them, much less solve them.
  30. creak
    creak 12 November 2015 11: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Colonel
    Counter offer: but civilians would try to serve 30 years in the garrisons, change a dozen service apartments, stay awake for days in outfits, guards, exercises, freeze their hands, "twist the nuts" in the cold, "grab" a dose of radiation, etc., and etc.


    And also one should not forget that the families of military personnel are also forced to endure all these "delights" of military service - wives are not always able to work far, children have constant school changes, and not only service, but often rented housing ...
    For example, for 11 years of study, I had to change 7 schools where my father often moved, and then I myself had to "travel" around our vast Motherland and beyond ...
  31. samara-58
    samara-58 12 November 2015 11: 08 New
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    It is necessary to raise pensions for military pensioners and drive them out of work, so that they do not earn extra money and do not interfere with the "people in coats" to create material values ​​!!! The whimpering VP is tiring!
    1. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 12 November 2015 11: 48 New
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      Quote: Samara-58
      It is necessary to raise pensions for military pensioners and drive them out of work, so that they do not earn extra money and do not interfere with the "people in coats" to create material values ​​!!! The whimpering VP is tiring!

      There is no need for civilian and military pensioners to snarl between themselves. And with officials and the government.
      In general, the military didn’t ever have visited you at least once, that you didn’t stand up for those at one time in Moscow?
  32. atamankko
    atamankko 12 November 2015 11: 11 New
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    It's time to punish the thief of officials is much stricter
    with a real term of imprisonment and confiscation of the stolen.
    Where is the law, servants of the people?
  33. Support
    Support 12 November 2015 11: 42 New
    -1
    Quote: Waterfowl
    Quote: Prop
    Honestly, the military has a small pension.

    Who are you comparing with? It should be compared with the average pension in Russia. What, they dragged us by the ears to become officers? I retired at 45 years, and dad 60. Who had more health at the time of retirement? Stop blaming the state.

    And that 24 is a lot? Or 000? What did they drag it to? That's it, that man himself went. The army is still not a citizen .....
  34. iouris
    iouris 12 November 2015 11: 56 New
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    Problems begin when the "elite" begins to "eat" the state. Servicemen and pensioners definitely do not belong to the "elite". It is necessary to reduce several times the cost of maintaining the "elite" and stop exporting oil and gas money abroad. Until the gap in the "income" of the "top" 1,5 ... 3% and the rest is reduced to 3 times, nothing can change. Our "elite" must learn how to make money by competing with other elites, and not steal it from the citizens of the population.
  35. Dmit_GM
    Dmit_GM 12 November 2015 12: 09 New
    +1
    All this is true, of course, but ...
    Why all the time, citing the example of federal officials and civil servants, they say that they simply roll like cheese in butter and that their pockets burst with money?
    I will briefly try to shine a light on readers in the "holy of holies" - the salary of a federal official (which I myself am):
    What constitutes the salary can be found on the website of the Prosecutor General’s Office in the vacancy section, here is the link:
    http://genproc.gov.ru/vacancies/undertaking_contest/vacancy-906856/
    The official’s salary is from 5 to 6,5 thousand rubles (depending on the position).
    After all the allowances (for irregular working hours, length of service, class rank and mandatory monthly promotion), about which the author wrote, the following things come to hand in a month:
    the head of the department has about 28000 rubles.
    the head of the department has about 35000 rubles.
    I don’t know for sure from the head of the federal service, but not more than 60-70000 rubles.
    the rest, of which 85%, from 15 to 25 thousand rubles.
    Sometimes they give bonuses (about once a quarter) from 6 to 12 thousand rubles, but not always.
    And no benefits at all.
    These are all officials of the federal level, the central apparatus, in Moscow.
    The officials of the regional level, even in Moscow, the salary is 2 times less.
    As for the level of pension, it does not exceed the national average. My colleague, for example, has a pensioner who spent his whole life working in high-level ministries in ministries and has a pension of 14,5 thousand rubles.
    The fact that the retirement age was raised for civil servants is like manna from heaven for civil servants, because most of these civil servants are either military pensioners, or pensioners who have turned 60 years old (there are few others who want to work for such a salary) and contracts for their service are poured annually up to 65, and they are worried every year whether they will be extended or not, because now they receive and pension and salary. Now they can "sleep" peacefully, all contracts will be extended to 65 years.
    Therefore, when you mean those officials who are shown on television (Governors, Deputies who have a salary of 450 thousand rubles and all the benefits and almost full state maintenance, Ministers who are almost all immigrants from big business, etc.), specify that you you mean just them, because the rest of the civil servants are also officials, and when the public demands to punish the officials or to take them away from the officials, again having in mind those who are shown on television, these ordinary officials, from whom there is already nothing to take, get under the distribution.
  36. rus-5819
    rus-5819 12 November 2015 12: 41 New
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    Quote: EvgNik
    How can an artist, a builder, a person with a troubled past write and make laws? And is this his business? Laws are the work of lawyers.


    Lawyer-lawyer, too, strife, There are so many divorced now, wherever you spit you get into a "lawyer", which "dad" writes through "o" (I came across it when I went to consult).
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 50 New
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      Quote: rus-5819
      Lawyer, lawyer, too

      I absolutely agree. But I'm not talking about lawyers, notaries and other fraternities. These are artisans. And there are scientists who can not only use, but also create laws. That's what they are about. Actually, we need not only lawyers, but also economists and politicians. Well, it’s not for us to decide. But you need to think, and push those who decide.
  37. SERGEII
    SERGEII 12 November 2015 12: 49 New
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    Why do you need a salary?
    1. Dmit_GM
      Dmit_GM 12 November 2015 13: 37 New
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      This is a question for whom? to officials?
  38. guzik007
    guzik007 12 November 2015 12: 51 New
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    When I was given a pension of 9 tyrov, I wanted to be indignant and ask for it, but then I remembered the phrase "THIS IS SPARTA! Son!" and, in order not to fly into the sirloin, he preferred to leave. :-(
  39. EvgNik
    EvgNik 12 November 2015 13: 43 New
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    Quote: There was a mammoth
    An honest person with a conscience must be a deputy

    Quote: There was a mammoth
    Who understands the problems of the country

    Quote: There was a mammoth
    And the opportunity to work with professional consultants

    It is not for nothing that I divided your comment into parts. Everyone has the right to be. And each is an unfulfilled dream.
  40. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 November 2015 14: 26 New
    +4
    Cactus is the favorite food of hedgehogs.
    They themselves chose, they themselves voted, they themselves received. Nobody twisted his hands, at the muzzle of a machine gun he didn’t force him to vote, what claims now.
    Who does not know - the president we have chosen appoints the head of government with the consent of the Duma we have chosen, he can at any time dismiss the Prime Minister and appoint a new one, and the Duma can also express "no confidence in the government." Any government regulation can be overturned by the president. Everything is fine with us, the president we have chosen and the council we have chosen are very satisfied with the work of the government.
    1. Oleko
      Oleko 12 November 2015 21: 14 New
      -2
      Right They did everything themselves. The recall of a deputy of the State Duma has never been initiated. It is easier to say here that loafers with a 450 tr salary, that laws are worthless, without reading a single Code, that liberals need to be driven out of the government. And they don’t say who to put. Indeed, only slogans. To develop production? For God's sake!!! At the turn to Svetly (Kaliningrad region) there is a soybean processing plant. He opened the plant and was its director ... a former commander of the Marine Corps brigade. This is the real thing. (The pension of military pensioners should be higher than that of civilians. This is without a doubt). Here are just calls to chop all the officials, like cabbage, give absolutely nothing. Steam release. I am a civilian pensioner. (10,5 tr). Very satisfied? With a monthly payment of 18 tr for two loans? Just a way out you can always find and earn.
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 13 November 2015 09: 12 New
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        As one well-known Moishe used to say from Jewish jokes, that there are always "two ways out", but not a single one from the grave! And to equate the life and service of us with civilians is hypocritical and despicable: for some (and for me the same) the service has developed in such a way that during their 23 years of service they had to move from place to place almost 20 times, and as the folk wisdom says, that two crossings are equal to one fire, and on this basis, many of us leave for "civilian life" in torn trousers (inherited from prisoners of Romanians). This is a joke, but in each joke there is a lot of things that are not comic, but in one place and even a stone "grows overgrown with moss "! That is why the majority of" military men "are in poverty thanks to such care of" native "drinking!
  41. would
    would 13 November 2015 12: 13 New
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    A completely predictable decision in light of the failed economic policies of the government. If this could have been avoided before, now it remains to choose the least bad of bad decisions. There is no money in the budget to fulfill existing social obligations and it is more than likely that budget revenues will fall due to the internal systemic economic crisis and falling oil prices. Accordingly, there are 2 options for providing the country in the short term:

    1. Switch on the printing press and drop the national currency even more until the ruble proceeds from the sale in dollars will not cover the existing expenses. In modern conditions of total import dependence, this is a utopia (after all, the country buys a lot of things for dollars and the situation will not change in the coming years) and also quite a reduction in salaries and pensions. After all, the "domestic" industry is also heavily dependent on purchases in dollars.
    2. Reduce budget spending. This is a more or less realistic option, but leading to a drop in purchasing power.

    So they decided to combine. They dropped the currency to a certain point and began to cut budget spending. Of course, this does not apply to loved ones as always, and you should not even wait close to revising financial policies. Private persons from officials make mistakes, and the people who generally do not sleep or spirit pay for them. As always. Personally, I worry relatively little about military pensions; the military is one of the most well-to-do groups in terms of pensions and benefits. There are those who are significantly worse and for them, retirement is really a matter of survival, not life. And if the military only needs to tighten their belts, then for these groups it is a matter of life and death.
  42. Tomich2
    Tomich2 13 November 2015 21: 33 New
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    and the cons for the disabled person put me friends of the colonel? then you double ur ... dy