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"Ilyushin Finance Co." handed over to the FSB an Il-96-400VPU aircraft

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In its press release from 9, November Ilyushin Finance Co. (IFC) reported that it had transferred the re-equipped IL-96 aircraft to the customer (FSB).




“The joint stock company 5 in November 2015 of the year commissioned the next Il-96 aircraft to the customer. The aircraft was converted at the Voronezh aircraft plant "VASO" into a special package with the Air Control Center with a luxury cabin, after which it successfully passed the full range of ground and flight tests in accordance with customer requirements. The new aircraft was created on the basis of the IL-96-400T owned by IFK.- quotes a blog bmpd message of the enterprise.

The author explains that we are talking about “the former IL-96-400T cargo aircraft (RA-96104 registration number, 97693201004 serial number), rebuilt into an IL-96-400VPU control aircraft for the Federal Security Service of Russia.”

From the moment it was built in 2011, the aircraft remained in storage at the Voronezh plant. For the first time, plans for its re-equipment became known at the end of 2012. In July, the test flights of the machine were started on 2015.
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Sergey Pugachev / russianplanes.net
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  1. cniza
    cniza 11 November 2015 15: 18 New
    13
    A good plane, it was in vain put into oblivion.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 11 November 2015 15: 21 New
      36
      Quote: cniza
      A good plane, it was in vain put into oblivion.

      I don’t argue a good one, but the infa will be released again ... It would be nice!
      1. cniza
        cniza 11 November 2015 15: 24 New
        0
        And what is our President flying on now?
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 11 November 2015 15: 27 New
          +7
          на таком же, все производство этих самолетов держалось только на авиакомпании "Россия".
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 11 November 2015 15: 28 New
            12
            "Ilyushin Finance Co." handed over to the FSB an Il-96-400VPU aircraft

            Encrypted by FSBeshensky- 4 period Вladimira PUTina! (Agent 004)
            A joke, of course! laughing
            But ... hi
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 11 November 2015 17: 43 New
              +9
              Quote: Baikonur
              Encrypted by FSBeshensky-4 term of Vladimir Putin! (Agent 004)
              A joke, of course!
              But ...

              Quiet damn it, what are you .... almost all surrendered, and also a marshal! laughing So we’ll shine all the secrets, we’ve burnt to the full. good
          2. FID
            FID 11 November 2015 17: 45 New
            +3
            Quote: Engineer
            на таком же, все производство этих самолетов держалось только на авиакомпании "Россия".

            Вы ошибаетесь, президент летает на Ил-96-300, бортовые номера приводить не буду, их можно и по ящику увидеть. А сей борт 96104 - это бывший "грузовик" а/к "Полет" Ил-96-400 №96104... И не а/к "Россия", а СЛО (специальный летный отряд)...
          3. Buffalo
            Buffalo 11 November 2015 18: 30 New
            0
            Заказывали Ил-96 и "Полёт", и "Аэрофлот", и "Кубана" и ФСБ, и президентский отряд.
            There is a large order from MO, tankers, truck-based.
            1. FID
              FID 11 November 2015 18: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: Bison
              There is a large order from MO, tankers, truck-based.

              Только намерения, только...Хотя, МО оплатило тестовые полеты 96103 (летит борт, а за ним, на дальности заправки, летят "заправляемые").
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        3. Krsk
          Krsk 11 November 2015 15: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: cniza
          And what is our President flying on now?


          silt 96-300pu
        4. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 11 November 2015 15: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: cniza
          And what is our President flying on now?

          IL-96-300PU
        5. Civil
          Civil 11 November 2015 19: 18 New
          +1
          They wrote a couple of days ago that they want to revive the production of IL-96
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 12 November 2015 00: 18 New
            0
            Good intentions usually bridge the road to hell. Our power liberals are just such road builders.
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      4. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 11 November 2015 19: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        I don’t argue a good one, but the infa will be released again ... It would be nice!

        It seems that they are going to be overhauled: composite parts of the airframe, new avionics, electronics (the crew will be two-member (aircraft commander and co-pilot)) and PD-14 engines.
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 11 November 2015 20: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          (crew will be two-member (aircraft commander and co-pilot))

          Two members is certainly good, but three was better!
    2. Nick
      Nick 11 November 2015 15: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: cniza
      A good plane, it was in vain put into oblivion.

      It was decided to resume the release of the upgraded version of IL-96
      1. avt
        avt 11 November 2015 15: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Nick
        It was decided to resume the release of the upgraded version of IL-96

        When and by whom ??? Now the adherents of the Superbudget will attack and explain that the 4 motor sucks and there is no demand for it. wassat
        Quote: Didn't serve
        Aeroflot kind of put it to the fence, like it’s not effective.

        And he ordered bobiki.
        1. Nick
          Nick 11 November 2015 15: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Nick
          It was decided to resume the release of the upgraded version of IL-96
          When and by whom ??? Now the adherents of the Superbudget will attack and explain that the 4 motor sucks and there is no demand for it.

          After the disaster in Egypt, the passenger Il-96 seems to have a second chance. Ilyushin Aviation Complex is considering the possibility of resuming its serial production at VASO.
          It is expected that this will be a deep modernization. At one time, IL-96 was recognized as not meeting modern requirements for noise level. And mass production was minimized to 2013. However, during operation, the liner managed to prove itself well. In any case, there were no disasters with his participation.
          Сейчас "илами" активно пользуется авиаотряд президента России, кроме того, самолёты эксплуатирует кубинская авиакомпания.
          ГТРК "Воронеж"
          1. Peterhof 73
            Peterhof 73 11 November 2015 16: 50 New
            0
            Скажите коллега, а двигатели на ИЛ-96 наши стоят или "Пратт-н-Уитни"?
            1. FID
              FID 11 November 2015 17: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: Petergofsky73
              Скажите коллега, а двигатели на ИЛ-96 наши стоят или "Пратт-н-Уитни"?

              PS-90A ...
            2. opus
              opus 11 November 2015 18: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: Petergofsky73
              или "Пратт-н-Уитни"?

              If I am not mistaken, PW-2037 was installed only on IL 96-300M (Dismantled at the LII) - for which the pylons were replaced

              different from PS-90A


              and the option with two engines Pratt & Whitney PW4082 (or NK-33) on the IL-96MD (but it did not seem to be embodied in metal)
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 12 November 2015 00: 21 New
                +4
                I look and sad at heart. How many hundreds of such sides would sparkle in our and not our skies. Creatures of the nineties!
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 12 November 2015 01: 18 New
                  +1
                  Quote: NordUral
                  I look and sad at heart. How many hundreds of such sides would sparkle in our and not our skies.

                  By this day in the USSR would have been IL-998!
                  Quote: NordUral
                  Creatures of the nineties!

                  They have no differences from the two thousandth creatures, but rather surpass them in cynicism and greed.
              2. FID
                FID 12 November 2015 09: 15 New
                0
                Quote: opus
                If I am not mistaken, PW-2037 was installed only on IL 96-300M (Dismantled at the LII) - for which the pylons were replaced

                You are mistaken twice - 96002 is not taken apart and flies by now ...
              3. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 13 November 2015 16: 40 New
                0
                Thanks so much for the clarification.
          2. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 12 November 2015 13: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Nick
            After the disaster in Egypt, the passenger IL-96 seems to have a second chance.



            And how is the country of origin of the plane connected with the attack on board?
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 11 November 2015 15: 53 New
          +8
          Quote: avt
          When and by whom ??? Now the adherents of the Superbudget will attack and explain that the 4 motor sucks and there is no demand for it.
          So these are completely different planes. Superjet - short-haul (100 people and a maximum range of 3000). And IL - long-range (300-400, with a range of 9000). Not competitors to each other in any way hi
          1. Prapor-527
            Prapor-527 11 November 2015 16: 37 New
            -3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            So these are completely different planes. Superjet - short-haul (100 people and a maximum range of 3000). And IL - long-range (300-400, with a range of 9000). Not competitors to each other in any way

            Well, they don’t release a civilian version, and there are no plans ... though sadly. recourse
            1. opus
              opus 11 November 2015 18: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Prapor-527
              Well, they don’t release a civilian version, and there are no plans ... although it’s sad

              Yes you?




              IL96-400T b№RA-96105, s No. 97693201005


              "Странная" мы страна:



              жаль 96М "кинули"
              1. Prapor-527
                Prapor-527 11 November 2015 19: 42 New
                0
                Quote: opus
                Quote: Prapor-527
                Well, they don’t release a civilian version, and there are no plans ... although it’s sad

                Yes you?




                IL96-400T b№RA-96105, s No. 97693201005


                "Странная" мы страна:



                жаль 96М "кинули"

                And on which airlines will work? Cubana
                1. opus
                  opus 11 November 2015 20: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Prapor-527
                  And on which airlines will work? Cubana

                  Cubana is the airline. CUBANA de AVIACION
                  http://www.cubana.cu/home/
                  http://www.cubana.ru/
                  She already works:

                  Country: Cuba
                  National airline of Cuba
                  Year of foundation: 1930
                  IATA Code: CU
                  ICAO Code: CUB
                  Official website of the airline: www.cubana.cu
                  Address: Ave Van Troi Y Final, Aeropuerto Inter Jose Martin, Terminal 1, 10400, Havana, Cuba
                  Telephone: + 53 7 834 4446
                  Fax: + 53 7 233 4056
                  Email: [email protected]
                  Representative office in Russia: Moscow st. Korovy Val, 7 bld. 1 entrance 3, 11th floor, office 85, Russia
                  Phone number of the representative office in Russia: +7 495 238 4343
                  Fax of the representative office in Russia: +7 495 237 8391
                  E-mail of the representative office in Russia: [email protected]
                  Base airports: Havana Jose Marti
                  Domestic flights: Varadero, Havana, Cayo Coco, Cayo Largo del Sur, Santiago, Senfuegos
                  Flights to the CIS countries: Moscow
                  International flights: Bogota, Buenos Aires, Guatemala City, Cancun, Caracas, London, Madrid, Mexico City, Montreal, Nassau, Paris, Point a Petr, San Jose, Santo Domingo, Toronto, Fort de -France
                  Fleet: Airbus A320, Antonov An-24, Antonov An-26, Ilyushin Il-96, Tupolev Tu-204-100

                  Конкретно Ил-96 "работает"( заменив Боинг 767-300 )на линиях




                  CU-T1251 Paris Orly
                  1. Cook
                    Cook 11 November 2015 21: 26 New
                    +1
                    And why the data on the replacement of the 767th Ilom, seven years ago?
                    1. opus
                      opus 11 November 2015 22: 03 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cook
                      And why the data on the replacement of the 767th Ilom, seven years ago?

                      So then delivered.

                      It became known that the Cuban state airline Cubana de Aviación, through the Russian leasing company OJSC Ilyushin Finance Co., leased two Il-96-300 wide-body passenger aircraft, выведенных из эксплуатации авиакомпанией "Аэрофлот Российские авиалинии". Были приобретены самолеты RA-96008 (постройки 1993 года) и RA-96011 (постройки 1994 года). Первый из них уже в конце августа получил на борту логотип Cubana (сохранив при этом на киле часть ливреи "Аэрофлота" с российским флагом) и кубинский регистрационный номер CU-T1717.


                      Aeroflot took advantage of the aggravation of the discussion about the age of aircraft flying in the country that unfolded after the plane crash in Kazan, and raised the issue of withdrawing IL-96 from its fleet (bought Boigi and Airbus)

                      I wrote:
                      Quote: opus
                      "Странная" мы страна:

                      (well, very strange)
                      Tu-204-100E / CU-T1702




                      You better ask CUBANA de AVIACION

                      Quote: opus
                      http://www.cubana.cu/home/
                      http://www.cubana.ru/


          2. avt
            avt 11 November 2015 16: 41 New
            -1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            ) Not competitors to each other in any way

            Ваша ошибка в том что Вы сравниваете характеристики различных типов аэропланов , а надобно смотреть на то кто и через какую машину к соске бюджетной присосался и доит и доить не перестает , не смотря на ,,успех" распиаренного проекта . Вот просто взять и посмотреть сколько денег вбухано , сколько машин работает , а сколько в ЛИИ ,,доводится до требований заказчика" ,типа ,,костюмируется" из уже чуть более 100 выпущенных , опять же сколько взад вернули .
            Quote: Samaritan
            Let's not forget that Aeroflot is the main buyer of superjets!

            Да ну !?А как же ,,экспортный потенциал" и ,,порвем всех в мировой нище новым сверх аэропланом?" wassat А совместное производство с Китаем ? Правда на фоне подписания Китаем с ,,Боинг" контракта на 380 аэропланов , включая конкурентов в классе Супербюджета, да возвращения из Лаоса и Индонезии аэропланов , как то больше в ГСС молчат в тряпочку про ,,захват рынка в сегменте". И то верно - 10 ярдов ДАМ подкинул - надо прожевать , не до кричалок . Вот прожуют и запоют песню убитого оленя - отрицательный опыт - тоже опыт и надо дать денег на новый проект , дабы не потерять имеющийся коллектив конструкторов /распильщиков.
            1. Samaritan
              Samaritan 11 November 2015 17: 51 New
              0
              Quote: avt
              Yah !?

              28.10 handed over to Aeroflot 21 boards! Ie roughly every fifth. The FULL specification differs from the standard new Flight Management System (FMS) and the presence of a weather radar with the function of determining wind shear, as well as the availability of a wireless data transmission system about the operation of aircraft systems and engines. In addition, in this version the number of cameras of the video surveillance system has been increased, separate lighting and air conditioning control has been done in both passenger salons, and an additional flight attendant workstation has been added. In the "FULL" version, the number of buffet-kitchen modules was increased and two stoves were replaced with stoves of increased capacity for heating food.
              1. FID
                FID 11 November 2015 18: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: Samaritan
                The FULL specification differs from the standard new Flight Management System (FMS) and the presence of a weather radar with the function of determining wind shear, as well as the availability of a wireless data transmission system about the operation of aircraft systems and engines

                Everything that you listed is on ANY TYPE of flying airplanes (in normal a / c). On IL-96 and Tu-204/214 - KSCPNO (a complex of standard digital flight and navigation equipment (my bread, by the way)) and a weather radar with wind shear, were originally from 1989 ...
                1. Samaritan
                  Samaritan 11 November 2015 19: 06 New
                  0
                  Yes, I know, they write that they updated?! ...
              2. avt
                avt 11 November 2015 19: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Samaritan
                28.10 handed over to Aeroflot 21 boards! Ie roughly every fifth.

                Roughly speaking, but to put it mildly - where are the stoves, air conditioners, and toilets! ??? I actually talked about something else
                Quote: avt
                !?А как же ,,экспортный потенциал" и ,,порвем всех в мировой нище новым сверх аэропланом?"

                And the fact that Aeroflot is being sucked in by ANOTHER 4 returned from Laos and Indonesia, I don’t need to tell, nor how they are shoved into the Ministry of Emergencies. And again and again - I DO NOT SAY THAT THE SUPERBUDGET IS COMPLETE .... quite an average airplane ... . average. But he was exhaled from the very outset as a new miracle in aviation, for which, crying and begging him from the GSS, the whole world will stand in line, well, for this new word of passenger aviation in its segment. Actually for the kind of money that they swell and swell into it from the BUDGET, it’s a commercial project wassat in comparison with different non-commercial Tu204 / 214/334 and different An-148/158 and Il-114, it had to fly along a ballistic trajectory with access to a low orbit through the oceans. And what is the bottom line?
                Quote: Samaritan
                . In the "FULL" version, the number of buffet-kitchen modules was increased and two stoves were replaced with stoves of increased capacity for heating food.

                Типа в следующий транш за очередные 10ярдов сортир расширят !??Если за бюджетный счет ГСС посредством буржуинов ощастливил нас новыми технологиями , станочным парком, техперсонал обучил , то с какого такого рожна в ,,совковом" ЛИИ в Жуковском стадо НОВЫХ , прям с завода аэропланов на ,,доводке" стоит ???? wassat
                1. Samaritan
                  Samaritan 11 November 2015 20: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: avt
                  Quote: Samaritan
                  28.10 handed over to Aeroflot 21 boards! Ie roughly every fifth.

                  Roughly speaking, but to put it mildly - where are the stoves, air conditioners, and toilets! ??? I actually talked about something else
                  Quote: avt
                  !?А как же ,,экспортный потенциал" и ,,порвем всех в мировой нище новым сверх аэропланом?"

                  And the fact that Aeroflot is being sucked in by ANOTHER 4 returned from Laos and Indonesia, I don’t need to tell, nor how they are shoved into the Ministry of Emergencies. And again and again - I DO NOT SAY THAT THE SUPERBUDGET IS COMPLETE .... quite an average airplane ... . average. But he was exhaled from the very outset as a new miracle in aviation, for which, crying and begging him from the GSS, the whole world will stand in line, well, for this new word of passenger aviation in its segment. Actually for the kind of money that they swell and swell into it from the BUDGET, it’s a commercial project wassat in comparison with different non-commercial Tu204 / 214/334 and different An-148/158 and Il-114, it had to fly along a ballistic trajectory with access to a low orbit through the oceans. And what is the bottom line?
                  Quote: Samaritan
                  . In the "FULL" version, the number of buffet-kitchen modules was increased and two stoves were replaced with stoves of increased capacity for heating food.

                  Типа в следующий транш за очередные 10ярдов сортир расширят !??Если за бюджетный счет ГСС посредством буржуинов ощастливил нас новыми технологиями , станочным парком, техперсонал обучил , то с какого такого рожна в ,,совковом" ЛИИ в Жуковском стадо НОВЫХ , прям с завода аэропланов на ,,доводке" стоит ???? wassat

                  And you can link who talked about this ???
                  Quote: avt
                  Comparison with different non-commercial Tu204 / 214/334 and different An-148/158 and IL-114

                  And these airplanes with what tact can be produced ???
                  In short, you are one of those who shouted that all the polymers had gone through ... and now, when you have mastered and done, it’s still g ... maybe tell me how many planes you released ...
                  1. avt
                    avt 11 November 2015 21: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Samaritan
                    And these airplanes with what tact can be produced ???

                    Эти самолеты выпускаться НЕ МОГУТ ,потому что тупо нет денег на возрождение кооперации по Ту-204/214 , которые оказывается ,,не имеют коммерческого интереса", за Ту-334 еще Христенко сказал - денег нет . Даже исполнить гневное послание ДАМа - импортозаместит усе Ту -204 м исполнить невозможно . Ан-148 купили на корню , но тоже только для армии допиливают на ВАСО, а пассажирские выводят - импортозаместить не могут понимаш wassat Rogozin is trying to shove his IL-114 through a relative, well, let’s see how he succeeds. Here and all-eh! Takut, not takt, but in the end ... well, add something to the rhyme. Ah! Yes! MS, which Yak is still in the nest ...
                    Quote: Samaritan
                    And you can link who talked about this ???

                    Очем??? О том что в Жуковском новые самолеты на ,,доработке" ??? Ну так забейте поисковик и найдете таблицу - не бог весть какая тайна и кажется на сайте ГСС есть .О том что ДАМ влил 10 ярдов на ,,восстановление" передаваемых назад и выпуск новых? Ну и для выпуска 30 машин в год ? Так тема вполне себе в СМИ озвучена после МАКСа.Про возрат машин из Лаоса и Индонезии не слышали ?
                    1. Samaritan
                      Samaritan 11 November 2015 21: 51 New
                      0
                      Quote: avt
                      About what???

                      Об этом: порвем всех в мировой нище новым сверх аэропланом?"
                      Quote: avt
                      Tu-204

                      The presence of prospects in the person of MS-21 and 2 crashed Tu-204-100 deprived the Tu-204SM of any chances.
                      I just don’t understand. What are you offering ???
                      1. FID
                        FID 12 November 2015 09: 18 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Samaritan
                        2 crashed Tu-204-100

                        Оба самолета "уронил" экипаж, причем здесь машина? И шансов лишил ОАК, ради ССДж...
                      2. avt
                        avt 12 November 2015 10: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Samaritan
                        Presence of perspective in the person of MS-21

                        Курочка в гнезде , яичко в п..курочке . ВСЕ ЭТО УЖЕ СЛЫШАЛИ РОВНО ТАК ЖЕ ПРО СУПЕРБЮДЖЕТ!И про перспективы захвата сегмента рынка и про супер пупер новшества , ну в данном случае,,елипсоидный фюзеляж" и ,,черное крыло"
                        Quote: Samaritan
                        2 crashed Tu-204-100 deprived the Tu-204CM of any chance.

                        Quote: SSI
                        Оба самолета "уронил" экипаж, причем здесь машина? И шансов лишил ОАК, ради ССДж...

                        Quote: Samaritan
                        I just don’t understand. What are you offering ???

                        For starters, I suggest that you think about a simple fact, well, if you follow your logic set forth in the quote above - Why, during the disaster in Vnukovo due to the fault of the crew that couldn’t cope with the control in certain weather conditions, the Tu-204 became completely crap, and the disaster, again the fault of the human factor in Indonesia, led to additional budget financing. And then it goes like that on the list.
          3. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 12 November 2015 01: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            they are completely different planes. Superjet - short-haul (100 people and a maximum range of 3000).

            Fuck he was needed if you already have a good plane
            Tu-204,204CM.
            So no start, damn it, in a series a car with a localization of 25% belay sawing, sawing and sawing is the motto of the manual. am
            A wonderful car is not very swift.
            The Tu-204 is one of those aircraft that can safely to land with all the engine disconnected.
            Read more at: http://avia.pro/blog/tu-204

            Where is the Tu-334 now? shozh for the state then for such a pah ....
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        3. Samaritan
          Samaritan 11 November 2015 15: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: avt
          And ordered bobiki

          Let's not forget that Aeroflot is the main buyer of superjets!
          And about the IL-96, the SSI explained in great detail, something like this: As always, everything is trite, they buy used for three pennies, a new one is expensive! Unfortunately, the airline’s task is to earn money here and now, whoever doesn’t make long plans, earn and dump, and then even the grass doesn’t grow ...
          and the IL 96 airplane is excellent, and if the PD 14 will be delivered at all, only money needs to be poured in a bunch and duties on the old city ... enter
          in general, I think everything will be fine !!
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 12 November 2015 01: 44 New
            0
            Quote: Samaritan
            and duties on the old city ... enter

            By the way! You + 100500 !!!
            Those. the state introduced huge duties on the import of used imported vehicles, but on imp.aviakhlam no!
            The question is whose interests are lobbying the state?
            1. KOH
              KOH 12 November 2015 05: 30 New
              0
              Well, do not release hundreds of aircraft in a week, do you need to paralyze air transportation or what? ...
        4. Airborne Major
          Airborne Major 11 November 2015 17: 23 New
          +1
          Still fly: a decision was made to revive the production of IL-96


          Moscow, 06.11.15/20/53 - XNUMX:XNUMX
          OJSC Ilyushin Aviation Complex is planning to revive mass production of IL-96 passenger aircraft, Interfax reports citing a statement by the company's general designer Nikolai Talikov.

          Ilyushin Aviation Complex OJSC plans to revive mass production of IL-96 passenger aircraft
          Currently, the IL-96 is operated in the presidential flight squad, which already says a lot
          He noted that a deep modernization of the liner is expected, which at one time was prophesied as the flagship of Soviet and Russian aviation.

          Currently, the IL-96 is operated in the presidential flight squad, which already says a lot about it, as well as the Cuban airline, where the airliners managed to put in front of a campaign to buy old Boeing that flared up in our country.

          In addition, the plans of the airline complex in the near future to restore, as part of import substitution, the production of the Il-114 passenger plane in Russia. This turbvinotovy plane is intended for local airlines. Serial production was supposed to be placed in Tashkent, but the collapse of the USSR prevented this. A total of 17 cars were built.

          The IL-96 is a wide-body long-range aircraft and was produced from 1993 to 2013 at the facilities of Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Manufacturing OJSC. A plane of truly tragic fate costs half the price of a similar Boeing-767, easier and cheaper to maintain. In addition, it is able to land with four idle engines (i.e. all), which Boeing is incapable of in principle.

          In addition, Ilyushin plans to develop a new Il-2021 heavy transport aircraft by 2022-106, for which approval of the Russian Ministry of Defense has already been received. According to Talikov, this is a completely new aircraft that can lift up to 100 tons of payload into the air.
        5. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 11 November 2015 19: 05 New
          0
          Quote: avt
          When and by whom ??? Now adherents of the Superbudget will come running and explain that 4 motors suck and there is no demand for it

          Europeans stopped manufacturing the A340 in 2011, and the twin-engine A330 is still available in large quantities and orders are being received.
          Now there are only four-engine aircraft Boeing 747-8 and A380, in view of the large mass and size to make them twin-engine, if possible, it is very difficult.
      2. Oleg14774
        Oleg14774 11 November 2015 20: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Nick
        It was decided to resume the release of the upgraded version of IL-96

        Sorry for the piece.
    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan 11 November 2015 15: 50 New
      13
      Handsome!

      God grant that they revived IL - 96 !!!
      1. Buffalo
        Buffalo 11 November 2015 18: 33 New
        +2
        And God forbid new Kuznetsov and NK-93 engines on this plane, which, after working out the resource in the GA, can be put on the ekranoplanes of the Moscow Region.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 11 November 2015 15: 51 New
      +3
      Самолёт хороший, но как то не верю я в эти ".... финанс Ко".
      1. FID
        FID 11 November 2015 17: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: juborg
        Самолёт хороший, но как то не верю я в эти ".... финанс Ко".

        The only leasing company that BUY about 40 DOMESTIC aircraft and leased them ...
    5. Cartman
      Cartman 11 November 2015 22: 28 New
      -1
      fuel eats say a lot compared to foreign
    6. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 12 November 2015 08: 37 New
      0
      Thanks to Pagasyan, Manturov and others, our civil aviation industry has been ditched. Highly qualified specialists dispersed, illiterate in management
      the so-called top managers who successfully take budget money.
      And after the appointment of Serdyukov, you can forget about the development of civil aircraft construction, this is equivalent to letting the wolf run into a sheep herd.
      The development of the domestic aviation industry is thousands of jobs and tax revenues to the treasury. Medvedev’s government is the fifth column mired in corruption and nepotism.
  2. ASG7
    ASG7 11 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +5
    A beautiful airplane has a wide sky. fellow
  3. Not served
    Not served 11 November 2015 15: 23 New
    +2
    Да никто не пускал его в забвение. На его базе заправщики начали делать. Что будет с гражданскими посмотрим. Была передача про лётчиков которые обратились к ВВП с письмом о том, что самолёт по сути специально "убивают". Аэрофлот вроде как его к забору ставил, типа не эффективный.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 11 November 2015 15: 37 New
      +4
      This type of Aeroflot Boeing gets more kickbacks when buying them
  4. Mercury
    Mercury 11 November 2015 15: 23 New
    0
    What did they stuff it with? Probably it is not visible and not heard, so during the tests it circled around the Pentagon a couple of times and touched the white house with its wing (that’s why the forests around the dome)
  5. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 11 November 2015 15: 24 New
    0
    And only soft landings.
  6. fregina1
    fregina1 11 November 2015 15: 25 New
    +1
    probably air defense can be! Traps for sure ...
  7. ydjin
    ydjin 11 November 2015 15: 27 New
    +1
    It's time to restore the production of IL-96, and it is desirable to modernize to the maximum! For our conditions, it is the best suited than bass and beans!
  8. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 11 November 2015 15: 27 New
    +1
    The president trusts this plane! The FSB also trusts!
    And we fly, while I hope, in Boeing ... But in 1993, I flew IL-86 from Moscow to Yekaterinburg once! Beauty was power !!!
    I still remember my feelings of flying and pride in the country!
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 11 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +1
      Government agencies need reliability and that the plane was domestic, that’s what they are buying. Commercial carriers need to eat little and transport more people, but there are problems with this. Comrades gave a comparison of the gluttony of IL96, Boeing and watermelon. Those are cheaper, which means if our companies switch to il96, then ticket prices will have to be raised - so they will fly less. However, now there is a lot of talk about deep modernization of the il96 to make it more economical, about new engines. By the way, I wanted to ask Ss about the possibility of installing new PD14s that they are now experiencing. If the plane becomes more economical, it is quite possible that the airlines will force it to buy. There Aeroflot has already ordered 50 superjets (21 of them are already flying) and 50 ms21, which are still missing. I think that it is not of my own free will. wink If IL96 becomes comparable in costs to Boeing and watermelons, then most likely Aeroflot will be obliged to take it. Moreover, the transaero, which did not favor domestic aircraft, was buried and Aeroflot will most likely take its market share.
      1. BMW
        BMW 11 November 2015 16: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: g1v2
        If IL96 becomes comparable in costs to Boeing and watermelons, then most likely Aeroflot will be obliged to take it.

        I do not understand the expense. IL-96 4 PS-90A. Tu-204 PS-90A and A2. The cost of Tu corresponds to Western. According to Ilu, more Boeings take passengers (except 747). Dviguny PS-90A meet all ICAO requirements. Explain where the catch is, or is it lobbyism.
        Летал на Ил-96 в 2007 году "Домодедовскими авиалиниями" и "Красэйр". Более удобного салона не видел. hi
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 12 November 2015 01: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: bmw
          Летал на Ил-96 в 2007 году "Домодедовскими авиалиниями" и "Красэйр". Более удобного салона не видел.

          I subscribe to every word! good
    2. ydjin
      ydjin 11 November 2015 15: 42 New
      +2
      I flew the same in 92, Moscow-Sakhalin, through the Arctic Circle, with landing I don’t remember Norilsk or Vorkuta? Impression, from Moscow in early May landed on an almost polar night with snowdrifts and then home to Sakhalin with the trees just starting to bloom! And as the 86th went along the route, the song! Neither pits nor pitching. Oh, DMB-92! laughing
  9. amba balamut 77
    amba balamut 77 11 November 2015 15: 30 New
    +2
    Maybe nastalgia for the 62nd does not let go. But when you fly from Moscow to Ilyushka it is somehow calmer than on a foreign pepelats. Although it may be prejudice.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 11 November 2015 15: 42 New
      0
      maybe prejudices, but only the Russian Federation exploited IL, but sometimes Boeing gets through 10 countries to us.
  10. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 11 November 2015 15: 32 New
    +1
    But it’s a wonderful airplane, which prevents it from being released in the Garzhdansok version. On x these feeds of fagot feed only. The FSB did not in vain take it for themselves and not the 15-year-old Boeing. Successful take-off and landing!
  11. Massik
    Massik 11 November 2015 15: 35 New
    +3
    Only one name of this company made me feel bad. Why let us torment the English for the state?
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 11 November 2015 15: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Marssik
      Only one name of this company made me feel bad. Why let us torment the English for the state?

      Ilyushin Moshn i Vataga! Well, that sounds! laughing
      1. Massik
        Massik 11 November 2015 16: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        Ilyushin Moshn i Vataga! Well, that sounds!
        Просто "Ильюшин" звучит куда лучше .
    2. Aksakal_07
      Aksakal_07 11 November 2015 15: 55 New
      +2
      Не хватало еще АКМ назвать "автоматической винтовкой фирмы Kalashnikoff Corp. limited".
  12. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 11 November 2015 15: 36 New
    -2
    with a luxury lounge

    это чтобы с девочками веселиться? Сауны случайно там не предусмотрено? Или только в армии надо "стойко переносить тяготы" военной службы. Здесь "тяготы" только приятные.
  13. Cook
    Cook 11 November 2015 15: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: ydjin
    It's time to restore the production of IL-96, and it is desirable to modernize to the maximum! For our conditions, it is the best suited than bass and beans!


    And what exactly is this aircraft better suited to our conditions, you can find out?
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 11 November 2015 15: 55 New
      +3
      At least by reliability, I'm certainly not an expert in aviation, but usually our technical regulations have always been tougher than western ones. No wonder now the GOST abbreviation is with me and I hope many of my peers and the older generation have always been a symbol of QUALITY!
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 11 November 2015 17: 39 New
      +1
      Can. With IL-96, for the entire time of operation, not a single flight accident.
  14. emercom1979
    emercom1979 11 November 2015 15: 46 New
    +4
    ИЛ-96 в воздухе ведёт себя устойчиво, не то что "ПАЗик с крыльями (мои знакомые так аэрбас величают) когда мне доводилось летать на машинах КБ Ильюшина, то воздушные ямы чувствовались только на взлёте и посадке. А аэрбас и боинги трясло всю дорогу как ПАЗ на грунтовке.)))
  15. Cook
    Cook 11 November 2015 16: 02 New
    +1
    Do you seriously believe that the plane shakes or does not shake in flight, depending on its manufacturer? Or maybe you recommend airlines to buy planes based on your feelings?
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 11 November 2015 16: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: Cook
      Do you seriously believe that the plane shakes or does not shake in flight, depending on its manufacturer? Or maybe you recommend airlines to buy planes based on your feelings?

      Sorry stupid question, on your part. Of course for 86, 96 its dimensions play! I hope you will not deny that a feather is easier to blow away than a brick? And in the rest, do you want to breed with ... what? So I'm not going to hi
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 11 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +5
      That is what he wants to say, and will be absolutely right. Shakes, does not shake ... This is called flight performance, which in turn consists of the aerodynamics of a particular machine. Ilya fly very well, they are very reliable. And starting with IL-76, all Ilyushin’s cars are masterpieces, each of its kind. And passenger cars were leaked, 86, 96, for one simple reason, freed up markets for Western friends, well, then we were very friends with them.
      1. Cook
        Cook 11 November 2015 22: 23 New
        +1
        What does aerodynamics have to do with it, and what specific characteristics affect this? I will understand more if the conversation goes about weight and dimensions. So in this case, the Jambo Jet is out of competition. Well leaked then, and now why not return to them? Once such masterpieces?
    3. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 11 November 2015 19: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Cook
      Do you seriously believe that the plane shakes or does not shake in flight, depending on its manufacturer? Or maybe you recommend airlines to buy planes based on your feelings?


      I seriously believe shakes or does not shake depends on the stiffness of the wing of one or another manufacturer.
      1. Cook
        Cook 11 November 2015 22: 10 New
        +1
        And which is better, less rigid or more rigid, to increase the profitability of transportation?
  16. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 06 New
    +1
    ха-ха, а вот и конкурент фирмы ТУ))) у них же уже есть госзаказ по спецмашинам типа машина связи, пункт управления, открытое небо... причем сделано уже дублировано, если не в трех экземлярах каждая... так что теперь на илах бабки отмывают делая тоже самое? а тушки делались на базе ту-214... или типа они не понравились... как обычно в нашей стране: давай сделаем, а не понравится так на другом заводе сделаем, а это спишем как металлолом))) Бред полный. в сентябре летел с москвы в симферопль, так правительственный борт делал перевозки(ну так то компания авиационная "Россия" с триколором в 2 борта она и есть правительственная, шабашничают ))) на шампанское не хватает) Хватит плодить под себя самолеты, отобрали у вас иномарки так вы решили на авиации отыграться? Отдайте лучше людям для перевозок. А то платим боингам да аэробусам за эксплуатацию бешенные бабки. За эти средства давно свое бы наладили, ан нет, откаты то в карман важнее!! тьфу!!!
  17. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: Cook
    Do you seriously believe that the plane shakes or does not shake in flight, depending on its manufacturer? Or maybe you recommend airlines to buy planes based on your feelings?

    believe me, the wing area of ​​Il exceeds the wing area of ​​a commensurate Boeing or an air bass ... and accordingly it will have fewer failures
  18. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: ydjin
    At least by reliability, I'm certainly not an expert in aviation, but usually our technical regulations have always been tougher than western ones. No wonder now the GOST abbreviation is with me and I hope many of my peers and the older generation have always been a symbol of QUALITY!

    Yes, our aircraft has a higher safety margin than imported ones ... if I am not mistaken, 7-fold for civil aviation, 10-fold for military)
    1. FID
      FID 11 November 2015 18: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: chester9
      Yes, our aircraft has a higher safety margin than imported ones ... if I am not mistaken, 7-fold for civil aviation, 10-fold for military)

      You are mistaken, the safety factor adopted back in the USSR is 2,4, i.e. almost two and a half times the strength of the product should exceed the strength of the components, this is expressed in an increase in the cross-sections of the component parts (I painted this as a former teacher of sopromat, I taught at MADI).
  19. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: emercom1979
    ИЛ-96 в воздухе ведёт себя устойчиво, не то что "ПАЗик с крыльями (мои знакомые так аэрбас величают) когда мне доводилось летать на машинах КБ Ильюшина, то воздушные ямы чувствовались только на взлёте и посадке. А аэрбас и боинги трясло всю дорогу как ПАЗ на грунтовке.)))

    Well, the flight conditions are not always the same ... but you are definitely right, the sausage will be less with the same parameters
  20. F.Vastag
    F.Vastag 11 November 2015 16: 17 New
    +3
    Why can’t such KRASAVETS like IL-96-400 (both in Passenger and Cargo (for the Ministry of Defense) and in VIP Option - for the presidential air regiment) - DELIVER to STREAM (Launch to the Mass Series (start collecting in the same Volume as and under the Union (the same IL-86).) After all, how do we need Our Domestic Long-Range Airplane (on domestic flights (Moscow-Vladivostok) and International (Moscow-Havana) Airlines. Why the State does not order Its Full Long-haul , or it’s easier to buy a BU for Bugr (having received Kickbacks) and completely depend (on Components, Engines) on the States (Boeing) and Europe (Airbuses). Are there really no State-minded People (in the Aircraft Industry and Aircraft Industry of Russia).
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 11 November 2015 16: 25 New
      0
      Quote: F. Vastag
      Why can’t such KRASAVETS like IL-96-400 (both in Passenger and Cargo (for the Ministry of Defense) and in VIP Option - for the presidential air regiment) - DELIVER to STREAM (Launch to the Mass Series (start collecting in the same Volume as and under the Union (the same IL-86).) After all, how do we need Our Domestic Long-Range Airplane (on domestic flights (Moscow-Vladivostok) and International (Moscow-Havana) Airlines. Why the State does not order Its Full Long-haul , or it’s easier to buy a BU for Bugr (having received Kickbacks) and completely depend (on Components, Engines) on the States (Boeing) and Europe (Airbuses). Are there really no State-minded People (in the Aircraft Industry and Aircraft Industry of Russia).

      I completely agree with you! But what’s the catch I don’t understand ?! request
      1. BMW
        BMW 11 November 2015 16: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: ydjin
        But what’s the catch I don’t understand ?!

        Steal from. recourse
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 12 November 2015 01: 58 New
        0
        Quote: ydjin
        But what’s the catch I don’t understand ?!

        write Moscow-Kremlin ....
    2. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 11 November 2015 20: 06 New
      0
      Quote: F. Vastag
      Is there really no State-Mindful People (in the Aircraft Industry and Aircraft Industry of Russia) at all.


      Not left.
    3. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 11 November 2015 20: 06 New
      0
      Quote: F. Vastag
      Is there really no State-Mindful People (in the Aircraft Industry and Aircraft Industry of Russia) at all.


      Not left.
  21. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: Cook
    Quote: ydjin
    It's time to restore the production of IL-96, and it is desirable to modernize to the maximum! For our conditions, it is the best suited than bass and beans!


    And what exactly is this aircraft better suited to our conditions, you can find out?

    ну так то смотри коменты мои ниже... а вообще лучще даже тем что не уступая а превосходя летные характеристики наши люди будут работать на заводах по производству и нашим людям будут идти деньги, а не толстосумам из-за бугра. Ты вообще в курсе что при обслуживании импортной техники должно быть спец обучениии именно ихнее, кот стоит больших бабок! Наш опытный инженер в ихних глазах сопляк и при работе на той техника будет получать копейки, а ихний "птушник" придя к нам в страну будет пальцы веером топырить и получать нехилую зп и при этом даже в капле масла не испачкается...
  22. Valkh
    Valkh 11 November 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    What handsome?!? good God forbid revive production !!!
  23. Taranchello
    Taranchello 11 November 2015 16: 23 New
    +3
    He flew this miracle in Thailand in 2009, esno Aeroflot. I can say that the plane is really excellent, it goes very smoothly in the air, it does not talk, does not throw it. Compared to bean 747, ours is much more comfortable, except that there are no televisions there, but it’s a matter of configuration, I think you don’t need to put a lot of TV in the seats, but according to the flight sensations, it will give odds to many, if not all. And in the cabin you can really play basketball
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 11 November 2015 22: 07 New
      0
      I flew to Ty 747 ... it seems normal, but two extreme times on watermelons is just awful, my wife does not want to fly anymore ...
      1. SSeT
        SSeT 12 November 2015 00: 45 New
        +1
        The only time I flew IL-86, at first I scored - the old one, that’s not new, the more I grabbed the otitis in charm - as a result, dozed peacefully, did not take off, didn’t even notice landing, flies powerfully, doesn’t shake, like in a buz, for example. Woke up when they started to applaud. Old school, what, verified plane, reliable!
  24. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: 2s1122
    maybe prejudices, but only the Russian Federation exploited IL, but sometimes Boeing gets through 10 countries to us.

    As it was, it was somehow forbidden to fly over a hill due to the high noise level of engine operation ... they have airports in cities (there are few places) and we have outside the city ... and the amendment is not only in the Russian Federation, but also in the USSR
    1. BMW
      BMW 11 November 2015 16: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: chester9
      IL was somehow forbidden for flying over a hill due to the high noise level of engine operation.

      Lazha.
      The IL-96 engines PS-90A, meet all the requirements of ICAO, questionable fuel efficiency.
      Due to the noise, they covered IL-86.
      1. FID
        FID 11 November 2015 18: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: bmw
        questionable fuel efficiency.

        И это "лажа"... Топливная эффективность в норме, были затыки с обслуживанием четырех, а не двух моторов... Про топливную эффективность - у одноклассника (по пассажирам и дальности) А-330 два мотора тягой по 34 т, итого - 64 т, у Ил-96 - 4 мотора по 16 т, итого - 64 т... Вот и получается, что по топливу они одинаковы.
    2. Trigger-Happy
      Trigger-Happy 11 November 2015 17: 04 New
      0
      It was the 86th that was banned, it just took off because of weak engines, and the 96th were already installed by Perm engines, good and foreign, and the company that made them was bought and bankrupt in due time. If there are Permyaks on the site, comment on how things are now .....
  25. chester9
    chester9 11 November 2015 16: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: F. Vastag
    Why can’t such KRASAVETS like IL-96-400 (both in Passenger and Cargo (for the Ministry of Defense) and in VIP Option - for the presidential air regiment) - DELIVER to STREAM (Launch to the Mass Series (start collecting in the same Volume as and under the Union (the same IL-86).) After all, how do we need Our Domestic Long-Range Airplane (on domestic flights (Moscow-Vladivostok) and International (Moscow-Havana) Airlines. Why the State does not order Its Full Long-haul , or it’s easier to buy a BU for Bugr (having received Kickbacks) and completely depend (on Components, Engines) on the States (Boeing) and Europe (Airbuses). Are there really no State-minded People (in the Aircraft Industry and Aircraft Industry of Russia).

    think correctly))) I fully support) ... and in the VIP version they already have everything, you don’t worry))
  26. Redman
    Redman 11 November 2015 16: 33 New
    +8
    IL 96-300 (Yelizovo, Kamchatka). Ilyushinsky aircraft - the most reliable in the world! There were and are.
    1. BMW
      BMW 11 November 2015 16: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Redman
      IL 96-300 (Yelizovo, Kamchatka). Ilyushinsky aircraft - the most reliable in the world! There were and are.

      Greetings fellow countryman! drinks
      It is said very correctly.
  27. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 11 November 2015 16: 46 New
    0
    I will answer right away to everyone in whose minds there was hope. Where-where and at the Voronezh VASO, they won’t start producing anything like this in series, because experienced specialists aren’t massively working there. Aviation College does not train specialists for production. You can say and solve anything, only any technologically complex task requires trained and competent personnel, which, unfortunately, has been lost for years!
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 11 November 2015 18: 41 New
      +1
      You do not know - do not talk rubbish!
      At VASO - 9500 people, approximately, work. Do you think they are all fools? There are training programs, money has been allocated for workers and students of VSTU. There is ALREADY an order for 16 cars. Production has long been debugged.
      1. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy 12 November 2015 11: 54 New
        0
        Well, if everything has changed for the better, then I'm only glad about it. Of course, I don’t have the latest data, for the sake of this I’ll find out how things are now, there are friends there, a cat. By the way, they said that. 25 worked in the aviation union, of course they did a lot of non-core activities there. Apparently you yourself consider your fools your colleagues - these are your words, and I spoke about experienced specialists who went to the 000s. You can teach anyone who is literate and willing, but they must be taught by an experienced person and share their experience, but where do they get indignant if they built several cars from scratch in 90 years?
  28. ydjin
    ydjin 11 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +1
    Here’s another 2 kopecks I’ll add to the topic, the Airbus of our Sakhalin air campaign Aurora (former CAT), which was carrying out their flight from Khabarovsk to Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky after take-off, was forced to return back to Khabarovsk because of the cracked windshield of the cockpit! What kind of firewood fly with us? request
  29. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 11 November 2015 16: 55 New
    0
    Видел по ТВ летчик испытатель и герой России (по моему ТВЦ по поводу упавшего/сбитого боинга) ФИО его к сожалению не помню говорил о наших самолетах, что они тяжелее, и не такие экономичные, как забугорные, но зато намного надежнее, поскольку к конструкции были более высокие требования. Хотя бы по эксплуатации на аэродромах с -50 до +50. Забугорные самолеты по его словам "мерзнут " (различные узлы) в таких условиях.
  30. Cook
    Cook 11 November 2015 17: 03 New
    +4
    You know I won’t believe it, because I have a flight engineer flight of 9000 hours. The last type that I mastered was the B747-200 / -300. Wing area, compare for yourself: Il96-300 Skr = 361m2 / Take-off weight 250t; A330 Skr = 361m2 / Take-off weight 242t; V777 Skr = 427m2 / Vl.s. weight 299t; V767 Skr283m2 / Vzl weight 186t. No safety tales are needed either. Take and compare our AP25 (Airworthiness Standards of transport category aircraft) with the American FAR25 or European CS25, they have long been harmonized with themselves, and even the paragraph numbers converge. In the airline where I worked, in the Technical Department, 1700 people worked for aircraft maintenance, Russians trained according to international standards, not infringed on by anyone and proud of what they were doing. No one argues that they need their own aircraft-building industry, but it is unfair to explain the lack of interest in domestic aircraft by airlines for betrayal or kickbacks. Explain to me why, after stopping and resuming flights on Il96, the GDP continued to fly on them without problems, and at the same time allowed Aeroflot, the national type of carrier, to put them at the fence?
    1. FID
      FID 11 November 2015 18: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: Cook
      put them at the fence?

      Two already Kuban de Aviation took away, the third is going to pick up ... They burned one in the AFL, only 2 stand at the fence, but the question is correct ...
    2. Buffalo
      Buffalo 11 November 2015 18: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Cook
      No safety tales are needed either. Take and compare our AP25 (Airworthiness Standards for Transport Aircraft) with US FAR25 or European CS25

      Are you a designer? IL-86 and IL-96 were designed, even according to Soviet standards of strength, and Soviet standards are tougher than American ones.
      1. Cook
        Cook 11 November 2015 21: 59 New
        +1
        Can you confirm this with documents in hand?
        1. Cook
          Cook 11 November 2015 22: 12 New
          +2
          Here is the history of the issue:
          Нормы летной годности самолетов. Первое издание "Норм летной годности гражданских самолетов СССР" (НЛГС) было введено в действие в 1967 г. В их основе лежали требования ИКАО, обобщенные научные исследования и практические разработки авиационной техники гражданского назначения середины 60-х годов, а также опыт ее испытаний и эксплуатации. В дальнейшем, после внесения в них пяти изменений, НЛГС стали именоваться НЛГС-1 (1972 г.).
          Второе издание "Норм летной годности гражданских самолетов СССР" (НЛГС-2) было введено в действие в 1974 г. НЛГС-2 соответствовали уровням норм США (FAR) и Великобритании (BCAR) того периода. В период 1975…80 г.г. эти Нормы были внедрены в практику работы промышленности и гражданской авиации и сыграли важную роль в создании, сертификации и эксплуатации самолетов нового поколения Ил-86, Як-42, Ан-28 и Л-410, повышении уровня безопасности полетов, а также в накоплении отечественного опыта применения на практике требований к летной годности.
  31. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 11 November 2015 17: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Cook
    but to explain the lack of interest in airlines for domestic aircraft by betrayal or kickbacks is unfair

    Well, explain, in your opinion, why our airlines are not interested in the domestic aviation industry?
    1. Cook
      Cook 11 November 2015 21: 13 New
      +7
      Of course I will answer you. Firstly, I am the same patriot of my Country as the majority of visitors to this site, and I love and am proud of domestic aviation no less than yours. But, unlike most of the interlocutors, I work for a commercial airline and I had the opportunity to operate both domestic and foreign aviation equipment, so to speak, I had the opportunity to compare. You can argue, of course, to infinity, but please be patient and calmly sort my arguments. Let's start with the engines. I must say, unfortunately, but in terms of fuel efficiency, our planes and engines are inferior, not catastrophically of course, but inferior to the western ones. Here, the reputable SSI provided data on engine thrust, it can be seen that for IL and Airbus the total engine thrust is 64 tons and 68 tons, respectively, if roughly necessary for safe takeoff, the thrust will be 15% of take-off weight, respectively 37,5 tons for IL and 36,3 tons for the Airbus. Accordingly, the underutilized thrust reserve per engine will be 6.5 tons for Il and almost 32 tons for Airbus. Знаю по собственному опыту, что заявленная тяга на наших двигателях обеспечивается при температуре окружающей среды + 20'С и ниже. If higher, then the cut begins and traction sags. Therefore, our aircraft usually take off at full thrust. The adversary, with such a crazy reserve of traction, uses Derate, that is, takes off at a reduced mode, and quite significantly saves resource, fuel and everything else. Да и сохраняют западные двигатели заявленную тягу вплоть до + 34'С. Such an almost twofold reserve of thrust is needed to ensure safe take-off continuation in the event of a single engine failure. Naturally, before takeoff, calculations are carried out to determine the required thrust, and in case of engine failure, the working one is displayed at full thrust. Now compare the performance characteristics of these aircraft, and think about which airplane the carrier would prefer, even if all else being equal, the first has four engines, and not two, while more loaded, with less resource, with less time between failures. With the need to more often undergo maintenance, with a chronic lack of spare parts and the inability to rent a replacement engine, in case of failure or damage. As a carrier, with such unpredictability, make a schedule and maintain it? Moreover, without raising the price of tickets, because there is real competition in this market. Understand, finally, that the carrier chooses an airplane suitable for his business model, not for its beauty or for the delightful sound from running engines, but for the combination of qualities that allow for a normal transportation economy and flight safety. Air transportation is accompanied by very high overhead costs, you decide for yourself to complete the flight, you have to pay: for kerosene, ground handling of aircraft, maintenance of aircraft, maintenance and inspection of passengers, for take-off and landing, for air navigation services, for catering, salary for the crew. At the same time, costs must be included in the cost of the flight hour: for sewing crew uniforms, leasing payments, possible risks of damage or downtime, expenses for labor-intensive maintenance, staff training, flight safety, and much more for that. Significant working capital is needed, and any even small cost reduction is of great importance. The airplane itself cannot be considered a successful commercial project until a system has been built for its profitable and safe operation. And here we, sadly, are still great behind the west.
      1. Trigger-Happy
        Trigger-Happy 12 November 2015 11: 40 New
        0
        Well, actually I have similar conclusions and were made, without such details, of course. The answer is interesting, not too lazy to write such a text, thanks. It is clear that under the current conditions, our manufacturers simply will not be able to compete with the same Airbus. Although Aeroflot buys superjets and not only him, I don’t think that to my own detriment.
  32. Governor
    Governor 11 November 2015 18: 20 New
    +1
    An empty talk about the restoration of production. In modern Russia, this is impossible! Everything is poher ... So we will interrupt foreign goods in all areas. Very sad, but it is a fact.
    No need to build illusions.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 11 November 2015 19: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Governor
      In modern Russia, this is impossible! Everything is fucked up ...

      It feels like you've never been to VASO.
      Grind rubbish. If there is no way to visit it, go to the VASO website, look at least photos, and read the news. Otherwise, the impression is that you write with a drunk.
  33. roskot
    roskot 11 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +1
    It is necessary to revive your civilian fleet. And for this it is necessary that the state is engaged. In the meantime, they consider only taxes on airline profits, this problem will not budge.
  34. KnightRider
    KnightRider 11 November 2015 19: 14 New
    +2
    Here is the RA-96104 board transferred to the FSB. And behind it is the newly-built and already transferred to LIS Il-96-300 RA-96022
  35. TOR2
    TOR2 11 November 2015 20: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: KnightRider
    It is necessary to revive your civilian fleet

    This is true, the vastness of the country obliges this. And only ILs, but also TU too. For example, the upgraded Tu-144 would be very suitable for operation on the Moscow - Vladivostok line.
  36. ser-pov
    ser-pov 11 November 2015 21: 12 New
    0
    Quote: F. Vastag
    Why can’t such KRASAVETS like IL-96-400 (both in Passenger and Cargo (for the Ministry of Defense) and in VIP Option - for the presidential air regiment) - DELIVER to STREAM (Launch to the Mass Series (start collecting in the same Volume as and under the Union (the same IL-86).) After all, how do we need Our Domestic Long-Range Airplane (on domestic flights (Moscow-Vladivostok) and International (Moscow-Havana) Airlines. Why the State does not order Its Full Long-haul , or it’s easier to buy a BU for Bugr (having received Kickbacks) and completely depend (on Components, Engines) on the States (Boeing) and Europe (Airbuses). Are there really no State-minded People (in the Aircraft Industry and Aircraft Industry of Russia).

    Because, there were only hucksters, and not people rooting for Russia with their souls ...
    1. Cook
      Cook 11 November 2015 21: 54 New
      +1
      Sick people do not have that kind of money to launch production, set up airplanes and then pay extra to passengers so that they fly on them. This was only during the USSR.
      1. Buffalo
        Buffalo 11 November 2015 23: 15 New
        0
        And airline employees, in your opinion, they, in principle, cannot be patriots? Or admit this, as an exception. So, besides this, they still consider the cost of buying fuel. And here our planes often lose to foreign ones. Design Bureau of engine builders traditionally worked mainly on the defense industry. And the army of the USSR, never considered kerosene costs. And for GA, too, gluttonous engines were made.
        And since then, fuel has become very expensive ...
        1. Cook
          Cook 12 November 2015 09: 03 New
          +1
          You do not read my posts or what? Isn't that what I'm writing about?
  37. Cook
    Cook 11 November 2015 23: 03 New
    +3
    И ещё, Вы конечно можете мне не верить, но вот Вам отрывок из интервью Гендиректора " RedWings". Полную версию можете прочитать в инете. Возможно его прочтение поможет разобраться почему авиакомпании не очень хотят связываться с отечественным авиапромом.

    "… Red Wings находится в состоянии просителя у ОАК. Ту-204 — самолет, созданный для XXI века, и у него есть все, чтобы безопасно и эффективно работать. Но характеристики самолета искусственно ухудшаются людьми в КБ им. Туполева. Эти люди делают его неконкурентоспособным. Я имею богатый опыт работы с западными производителями авиационной техники Airbus и Boeing. Обе компании проводят два-три раза в год большие конференции, на которых обсуждаются темы эксплуатации воздушных судов. На них у эксплуатантов спрашивают о том, что надо сделать для того, чтобы самолет стал лучше. За это нам еще и платят. В России ситуация абсолютно обратная. Мы направляем в КБ наши рекомендации, как сделать воздушное судно эффективным, причем сделать не конструктивно, а поменять пакет документов. Нам говорят: платите деньги. Я уже заплатил деньги, купив этот самолет, и вы мне должны сказать спасибо за то, что мы знаем, как сделать самолет эффективным. Я теряю 27 тыс. руб. на каждом рейсе в Хургаду только из-за того, что КБ на самолет XXI века применило технические регламенты транзитного обслуживания, которые применялись еще на Ту-134. Ни у кого этого нет, а у нас это есть. У нас до сих пор слив жидкости из туалета входит в разряд технического обслуживания, и, соответственно, во внебазовом аэропорту я должен иметь инженеров, которые будут это делать. То же самое по оперированию, загрузке и всему остальному. Ситуация с запчастями вообще складывается катастрофическая. 11 месяцев назад я разместил заказ на покупку лобовых стекол. До сих пор заказ не выполнили. Ситуация с тормозными колодками вообще смехотворная. Тормозные колодки не работают и трети назначенного ресурса, и их нет на рынке. Нет альтернативного поставщика запчастей и агрегатов. Меня каждый день беспокоят разные «жучки-паучки», которые звонят и предлагают эти же агрегаты, но только за наличные деньги. Мы за наличные ничего не покупаем, так как имеем чистую, прозрачную бухгалтерию. Искусственный дефицит, я уверен, создается людьми, которые работают на этих предприятиях. К сожалению, мы и КБ разговариваем на разных языках. Если вы посмотрите на структуру «Boeing — Гражданские самолеты», то увидите в верхнем руководстве пять-десять человек, которые раньше работали в авиатранспорте. Они возглавляли как технические департаменты, так и сами авиакомпании. Они понимают, что нужно эксплуатантам. Только наличие такого кнута, как свободный доступ на рынок западной авиатехники, заставит КБ и ОАК повернуться к нам передом.

    - Maybe the problem is in the Tu-204 itself?
    1. Cook
      Cook 11 November 2015 23: 18 New
      +2
      “I'm in love with this plane, even though Boeing has been flying all my life.” As a manager, I have a drive, since before me no one could operate these aircraft cost-effectively, but we can. Tu-204 can be operated efficiently, some of them fly 370 hours a month. It is only necessary to change documents. Western design bureaus receive money from flying planes, ours - including from idle ones. It is beneficial to them that the planes are idle. But once patience will burst, and we will abandon such aircraft. Here is another example. We ordered new Tu-204-100B aircraft with an increased take-off weight of up to 105 tons to obtain certain advantages in loading. What do you think? They were made to us, but the mass of an empty aircraft was increased by 2 tons. To our question “why?” There is only one answer - "experimented." We got a plane 2 tons heavier that carries the same amount of cargo and passengers. Unfortunately, they put heavier seats on it, and we did not get any savings in terms of load. In the cockpit that we made on the Tu-204-100B, there is an amazing navigation system that allows you to automatically enter through inaccurate systems. But this system is not certified, because the KB does not want to do this.
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  39. Cook
    Cook 11 November 2015 23: 16 New
    +2
    - Not a single parameter ordered planes do not meet the technical specifications. We take these planes with the hope that people in the design bureau will someday wake up market consciousness. Having sent the technical task for aircraft maintenance, in response we received a letter requesting to send spare parts and filters for maintenance. Just think about it: the manufacturing plant asks me, the operator, to buy filters on my own. The supply of spare parts has turned into a criminal business from which someone is feeding. We can buy other pads, but they are uncertified.

    In Tupolev Design Bureau there is not a single businessman and not a single person who has ever worked for an airline. I also worked very closely with the management of Boeing and Airbus, so I can say: in the divisions in which they are directly involved in aircraft construction, after-sales service, and marketing, most of the people worked in airlines. They know the needs of carriers.
  40. NordUral
    NordUral 12 November 2015 00: 15 New
    +2
    What a bastard ruined this great plane!
    1. Cook
      Cook 12 November 2015 09: 18 New
      +1
      And you know that the most unpleasant thing is that in our aviation authorities, there are also very few people actually engaged in the operation of aircraft in airlines, and who know the problems of carriers when working in modern conditions. There are many experienced people, but they either came from the same aviation industry or their experience is related to the operation of aircraft during the USSR.
  41. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 12 November 2015 14: 55 New
    0
    An interview with Heinrich Novozhilov, who turned 26 on October 2015, 90. The legendary man, the last of the Mohicans, an outstanding aircraft designer, twice Hero of Socialist Labor, Lenin Prize laureate - Genrikh Novozhilov, together with Sergey Ilyushin, he lifted IL-18, IL-62 aircraft into the sky. Then, under his leadership, such aircraft as Il-76, Il-86, Il-96-300, and Il-114 were created. And today, despite his age, he continues to work at OJSC S.V. Ilyushin, doing everything possible so that the aviation status of Russia remains high not only in words.

    http://yuriyko.livejournal.com/2585769.html
    Very interesting ratings are given. This interview is worth reading.