Military Review

In the Zaporozhye region crashed attack aircraft Su-25 Ukrainian Air Force

173
The main military department of Ukraine reports that the Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force crashed in the Zaporizhia region. The report says that the attack aircraft pilot was killed as a result of the crash. Press office Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:


Today, 11 in November 2015, around 10 in the morning, the aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force Su-25 crashed during a scheduled training flight. The tragedy occurred in 40 kilometers north of Zaporozhye. The pilot 1992 was born, died, the local population was not injured.
On the site of the tragedy works search and rescue team.

The accident is under investigation, the reasons and circumstances are clarified.

The leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces of Ukraine express their sincere condolences to the families and friends of the military pilot in connection with the tragic loss.


In the Zaporozhye region crashed attack aircraft Su-25 Ukrainian Air Force


Recall, as a result of the fighting in the Donbas, the Ukrainian Air Force (according to official data of the country's Defense Ministry) lost three attack aircraft Su-25 shot down and three more damaged.
Photos used:
videozal.su
173 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. evil partisan
    evil partisan 11 November 2015 13: 17
    +3
    Another minus one. Well, thank God. And do not mind.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 11 November 2015 13: 25
      80
      No need to gloat not battle losses! Do not be like their censor!
      It is clear that this is an enemy aircraft, but the cry of Hurray must be in battle! And the cry of joy from victory - after the Victory!
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 11 November 2015 13: 31
        11
        Do they have problems with catapults? ..
        1. severniy
          severniy 11 November 2015 13: 32
          +3
          Minusanul article, although as a summary from the front, it seems like good news ... But somehow it’s in my soul ... Xs .. Sorry for them .. And will it still be when the Romanians begin to repair the entire military fleet of the former socialist camp ... That's where metal fall will be .....
          1. The comment was deleted.
          2. Prapor-527
            Prapor-527 11 November 2015 13: 54
            38
            Quote: severniy
            Sorry for them ..

            Sorry? Are you not sorry for these? How old was the pilot? .. Not important.
            1. severniy
              severniy 11 November 2015 14: 52
              -5
              Comments are updated quickly ... Mdya .. Discussion, you would have to censor your aggression ... And the ability to change the chat history ... negative
              1. evil partisan
                evil partisan 11 November 2015 17: 57
                +5
                Quote: severniy

                Sorry? Are you not sorry for these? How old was the pilot? .. Not important.

                About what I mean ...
                And PEOPLE among the children of 92nd year of birth in / on b. Ukraine - units. Fact.
                1. Baikonur
                  Baikonur 11 November 2015 20: 05
                  +6
                  And how do you feel when the censor frantically rejoiced over the collapse of the barracks in Omsk? After all, the dead guys could go on vacation to the Donbass after training.
                  That's why I said - have the honor! Nobility! And those who go to the censor would advise expressing condolences by showing the goodness of the soul of a normal Russian man, a Warrior!
                  And not the sinister mocking!
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 11 November 2015 21: 10
                    +1
                    Baikonur

                    Joy should be from victory, and not from someone else's grief.
                    1. Weyland
                      Weyland 12 November 2015 00: 32
                      +3
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Joy should be from victory, and not from someone else's grief.



                      Rejoice that enemy army bears losses - naturally. By this we are not likened to banderlogs, which are simply jubilant due to the fall of our civil Airbus!
                    2. The comment was deleted.
                  2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
                    Vladimir Pozlnyakov 11 November 2015 23: 28
                    +4
                    On Wednesday, August 13, at 18:00 p.m., Ukrainian aviation bombed a children's beach and residential buildings of the town of Zugres in the Donetsk region with cluster bombs.
                    The airstrike killed 11 residents, including FOUR CHILDREN. Another 32 people were injured.
                    Well, and who else is ready to express CONDOLENCY about the death of the MILITARY, I repeat the MILITARY pilot, perhaps one of those who bombed the BABY, I repeat, the BABY beach with CASSETTE BOMBS!
                    And it makes no difference to me how Fascist died - in a training flight or in battle! And he is young or old!
                  3. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
                    Vladimir Pozlnyakov 12 November 2015 00: 41
                    0
                    On Wednesday, August 13, at 18:00 p.m., Ukrainian aviation bombed a children's beach and residential buildings of the town of Zugres in the Donetsk region with cluster bombs.
                    The airstrike killed 11 residents, including FOUR CHILDREN. Another 32 people were injured.
                    Well, and who else is ready to express CONDOLENCY about the death of the MILITARY, I repeat the MILITARY pilot, perhaps one of those who bombed the BABY, I repeat, the BABY beach with CASSETTE BOMBS!
                    And it makes no difference to me how Fascist died - in a training flight or in battle!
                2. severniy
                  severniy 12 November 2015 08: 51
                  0
                  Quote: wicked partisan
                  Quote: severniy

                  Sorry? Are you not sorry for these? How old was the pilot? .. Not important.

                  About what I mean ...
                  And PEOPLE among the children of 92nd year of birth in / on b. Ukraine - units. Fact.

                  where do you get such quotes ?, and I’ll complain to the scribe again ... but for one thing and for ensign, for changing chat entries ...
            2. Voha_krim
              Voha_krim 11 November 2015 17: 07
              -1
              Quote: Prapor-527
              How old was the pilot? ..

              The boy was born in 1992.
              1. The comment was deleted.
            3. Vladimir71
              Vladimir71 12 November 2015 05: 50
              0
              And really it’s better not their combat losses than dozens of deaths among civilians of Donbass.
        2. just exp
          just exp 11 November 2015 13: 44
          13
          there are problems with everything, with brains and catapults.
          1. Bazilevs81
            Bazilevs81 11 November 2015 14: 22
            +1
            And who said that he crashed for those reasons, it is likely that he was removed as an unwanted witness ..
            1. 2s1122
              2s1122 11 November 2015 15: 10
              +2
              what a witness, 23 years old, to the pilot, see after the repair drying was.
              1. Bazilevs81
                Bazilevs81 11 November 2015 16: 09
                +1
                How what ((((The West began to merge the top of Ukraine, it means there will probably be a court, and the performers will definitely point with a finger who gave the orders.
          2. unsinkable
            unsinkable 11 November 2015 16: 37
            +1
            Quote: just explo
            there are problems with everything, with brains and catapults.

            They even have problems with problems.
        3. avt
          avt 11 November 2015 13: 48
          34
          Quote: Prapor-527
          Do they have problems with catapults? ..

          Generally, with aviation intact. As far as I understand, there is no escort for the restoration of vehicles from storage with the Sukhoi design bureau, as well as certified components. They have long been engaged in cannibalism in aviation. You see an airplane and is tired of fighting the gravity of the earth.
          Quote: Baikonur
          t, but the cry of Hurray must be in battle!

          Yes, it's stupid to argue with that. But somehow the fact that one will not reach Donbass and Lugansk with a load of ammunition and velikoukry once again will not tell about the "explosion of an air conditioner" from this attack aircraft, does not wind grief.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 11 November 2015 14: 55
            12
            They quickly repaired 25–27 rooks using cannibalism. They repaired - as soon as possible, there was naturally no supply of spare parts. Only Bulgarians have rooks in eastern Europe, but so far nothing has been reported about their supplies. Well, here is the first su25 assembled on the knee. There are 24 pieces left and 2 under repair. I hope that the quality of their repair is not better than this.
        4. Koshak
          Koshak 11 November 2015 15: 25
          +1
          Quote: Prapor-527
          Do they have problems with catapults? ..

          So far, the cause of the disaster is not clear. Maybe the pilot lost consciousness (heart attack, stroke, ...) What kind of catapult is it.
          1. kil 31
            kil 31 11 November 2015 15: 42
            +5
            Quote: Koshak
            Quote: Prapor-527
            Do they have problems with catapults? ..

            So far, the cause of the disaster is not clear. Maybe the pilot lost consciousness (heart attack, stroke, ...) What kind of catapult is it.

            They already say that he was hooked on power lines. Low altitude exercises. The Letaki MiGs of Ukrainians are pictured in the back of him standing with air-to-air missiles.
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 11 November 2015 16: 12
              21
              Quote: keel 31
              They already say that he was hooked on power lines.

              Crimean. Parents stayed in Simferopol ... I was probably ideological, since I decided to fly on planes, and not on airplanes.
            2. Good me
              Good me 11 November 2015 21: 22
              +6
              Quote: keel 31
              They already say that he was hooked on power lines. Low altitude exercises.


              Quote: GRAY
              Crimean. Parents stayed in Simferopol ... I was probably ideological, since I decided to fly on planes, and not on airplanes.


              It seems real, they prepared to process the fields ...

              And I, then ... Woe to me, woe ...

              Forgive me, the foolish, our untimely departed, independent friend. crying

              How many heroesky you did not have time to accomplish on your LITAK ...
        5. veteran66
          veteran66 11 November 2015 20: 16
          16 th
          Quote: Prapor-527
          Do they have problems with catapults? ..

          There may be problems with catapults, but on the "soap" there is a photo of the scene, the track is like in Europe, no cracks, no pits, markings ... and this is in a country that "fights and rolls into the abyss of default", not like ours directions. Eh, Russ ... it is clear that there are few idiots to strive for Russia.
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 11 November 2015 20: 56
            +5
            Oh, Russ ... it’s clear that there are few idiots in Russia to strive for

            Duc maybe you should take a closer look? Since they have such neat "paths" there, maybe it is worth moving from the hated "Russ", with its bad "directions"?
            1. veteran66
              veteran66 12 November 2015 06: 25
              -5
              Quote: viktorR
              maybe it is worth moving out of the hated "Russ", with its bad "directions"?

              yes, crazy chamber .... not a hateful scattering, maybe it's time to restore order at home, and not to find fault with neighbors? From the fact that the neighbor’s cow died, he won’t be able to milk his own double https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4NIaDJNQfQ can he even compare with the directions in the Tambov region?
              1. viktorR
                viktorR 12 November 2015 16: 20
                +1
                Em? Have you ever driven a car? The road is like a road, in two lanes, but there are plenty of them all over Russia. Or is it your autobahn? I traveled all over Ukraine and across, and also rode across Russia, believe everything that is beyond the Moscow Ring Road and the St. Petersburg Ring Road does not differ much, for example, Odessa-Kiev or Simferopol-Kharkov, although in general, of course, it’s better. I know one thing for sure, over the past couple of years in Crimea we began to make roads NORMALLY, and not so that by the middle of winter they get enough sleep.

                Well, and the fact that you take off the video of Ukrainian helicopters, and try to brag about the roads of Ukraine, as if hinting to us that you probably from there huh? Puffy Ukrainian)? And what’s the Russian flag in the comments? Have you come to work)?

                not to blame neighbors
                Can you read? Where did I fault the neighbors?
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. The comment was deleted.
          1. severniy
            severniy 11 November 2015 13: 54
            16 th
            Quote: Prapor-527
            Quote: severniy
            Sorry for them ..

            Sorry? Are you not sorry for these? How old was the pilot who did this? Https: //youtu.be/SAZtXwptnG8

            Yes, of course it was He !!!!! So to him !!! This is retribution !!! Is this how you need to react? Silly Reference to the "charms" of war. Then, according to your theory, in fact, dill reacted correctly to the fall of our plane, and suddenly there were our military, designers, scouts ...
            1. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 11 November 2015 14: 10
              13
              Why exactly HE ... The one who crashed the other day knew very well about the "feat" of his "mentor", but nevertheless sat down at the wheel combat Ukrainian Air Force ...
              1. severniy
                severniy 11 November 2015 14: 37
                -3
                The stump is clear, it was not his mentor, but his teacher! And the kid flew with a cross on his sleeve ... And the flag of the right sector.
                And that’s what I’m interested in you personally, would they accept him to live in their home if he refused to join the army and fled to Russia? And with the whole family? Regardless of your post, I am sure that your thoughts are where the thread is in the mainstream: "Well, the country will help the refugees ..."
                Judge people here for wearing uniforms.
                1. unsinkable
                  unsinkable 11 November 2015 15: 14
                  +4
                  Quote: severniy
                  Judge people here for wearing uniforms.

                  Don't go too far, buddy.
                  1. severniy
                    severniy 11 November 2015 22: 57
                    -2
                    Quote: unsinkable
                    Quote: severniy
                    Judge people here for wearing uniforms.

                    Don't go too far, buddy.

                    the pilot for the fact that he was Ukrainian accused of all mortal sins, up to the killing of Kennedy., I write that these statements are complete nonsense!
                    it's my opinion! and my right to express it! my friend .......
                2. mich
                  mich 11 November 2015 21: 00
                  +4
                  Ah, sir, they didn’t pay him money for wearing a uniform ...
                  1. severniy
                    severniy 11 November 2015 23: 03
                    -3
                    Quote: Mich
                    Ah, sir, they didn’t pay him money for wearing a uniform ...

                    quite possible. but it doesn’t give anyone the right to dance on his bones! they made a monster killer out of the person who put on the uniform and took the oath (most likely under Yanukovych), and also streamed the video. be ashamed, sir .....
                    1. Svidetel 45
                      Svidetel 45 11 November 2015 23: 58
                      +3
                      And if he gave the oath to Yanukovych, then it is worthless to serve him. who illegally stripped him of power.
              2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
                Vladimir Pozlnyakov 11 November 2015 23: 24
                +2
                On Wednesday, August 13, at 18:00 p.m., Ukrainian aviation bombed a children's beach and residential buildings of the town of Zugres in the Donetsk region with cluster bombs.
                The airstrike killed 11 residents, including FOUR CHILDREN. Another 32 people were injured.
                Well, and who else is ready to express CONDOLENCY about the death of the MILITARY, I repeat the MILITARY pilot, perhaps one of those who bombed the BABY, I repeat, the BABY beach with CASSETTE BOMBS!
                And it makes no difference to me how Fascist died - in a training flight or in battle!
            2. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 11 November 2015 14: 20
              +4
              Quote: severniy
              Silly Reference to the "charms" of war.

              This "Link" to the results of the "work" of the Ukrainian Su-25 ... hi After all, a conversation about Ukrainian military aviation?
              1. severniy
                severniy 11 November 2015 14: 43
                +4
                Quote: Prapor-527
                Quote: severniy
                Silly Reference to the "charms" of war.

                This "Link" to the results of the "work" of the Ukrainian Su-25 ... hi After all, a conversation about Ukrainian military aviation?

                Read my posts carefully, since you answer me.
                I do not justify the actions of the troops in the ATO area, as well as the entire leadership of the neighboring country, and I don’t see any connection with the crashed cadet.
                Plus, moving in the direction of your thoughts you need to shoot everyone, sewing the uniform, cook-feed, and so on and so on. .. Nonsense
                1. rapid1934
                  rapid1934 11 November 2015 16: 41
                  +8
                  Do not be like zombie dill, otherwise you yourself will become like them. hi
                  A man died not in war but in ordinary flight.
                  Only one question raises - it is very difficult to crash into the Su-25.
                  Or a completely rotten technique or a complete lack of piloting skills. request
                  1. NIKNN
                    NIKNN 11 November 2015 20: 55
                    +4
                    rapid1934 RU Today, 16:41

                    Or a completely rotten technique or a complete lack of piloting skills


                    This is most likely a lack of skills (where can they come from), a childish naive confidence in their own abilities (if at low altitude, something worked off and even a couple ...), well, the option of not competent (not worked out) actions when an OSB occurs.
                    A catapult is not a thing to kill, unless the technician has forgotten to pull out the checks.
                    I'm so sorry. sad
            3. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
              Vladimir Pozlnyakov 11 November 2015 23: 23
              +1
              On Wednesday, August 13, at 18:00 p.m., Ukrainian aviation bombed a children's beach and residential buildings of the town of Zugres in the Donetsk region with cluster bombs.
              The airstrike killed 11 residents, including FOUR CHILDREN. Another 32 people were injured.
              Well, and who else is ready to express CONDOLENCY about the death of the MILITARY, I repeat the MILITARY pilot, perhaps one of those who bombed the BABY, I repeat, the BABY beach with CASSETTE BOMBS!
              And it makes no difference to me how Fascist died - in a training flight or in battle!
      3. makst83
        makst83 11 November 2015 13: 32
        +8
        this is a filthy irony, not gloating! and yes, I sympathize with the families of the victims!

        Py.Sy. We are waiting for another opus from Antosha Garechenko about the fact that not only Kremlin agents, but also Comrade Darkest personally were involved in the disaster! wassat
        1. 2s1122
          2s1122 11 November 2015 15: 16
          +2
          Yeah, it’s the darkest nut that I screwed on this dryer
        2. guzik007
          guzik007 11 November 2015 15: 53
          +8
          I think that such articles should be ignored altogether. Start gloating, why are you better than dill? start to sympathize, some kind of double sensation arises.
        3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Severomor
        Severomor 11 November 2015 13: 33
        24
        Quote: Baikonur
        No need to gloat not battle losses!

        You can not gloat, but just know - in the Donbass will not!
      5. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 11 November 2015 13: 33
        27
        For Baikonur. Come on straight to the "censor"! The death of the enemy, and even along with the car, is tens, if not hundreds, of lives saved!
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 11 November 2015 15: 31
          10 th
          Quote: Varyag_1973
          The death of the enemy, and even with the machine, is dozens, if not hundreds, of saved lives!

          Death in battle - yes. But one cannot judge for imperfect or unproven crimes. Not the fact that this pilot would agree to bomb civilians.
          1. voronbel53
            voronbel53 17 November 2015 14: 00
            0
            Koshak, will we guess on coffee grounds or will you invite psychics? ..
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 05
          -7
          Quote: Varyag_1973
          The death of the enemy

          Is he an enemy? Where such confidence? In one way or another, they have a sovereign state recognized by the UN, this state has an army, the Air Force in it. The kid was an Air Force cadet. Why is he suddenly an enemy?
          And what dozens and hundreds of saved lives are you talking about? Ukraine’s aviation has not been used in the ATO for a year thanks to MANPADS.
          P.S. Let's not row all under one comb, and really not be like a censor. hi
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 12 November 2015 00: 51
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In one way or another, they have a sovereign state recognized by the UN, this state has an army, the Air Force in it.


            And there is 100% but hostile Russian government that came to power 100% but illegal by the way.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 12 November 2015 10: 28
              -1
              Quote: Weyland
              And there is a 100% government hostile to Russia, which came to power 100% but illegally.

              Which our government "for some reason" recognized.
      6. demon1978
        demon1978 11 November 2015 13: 38
        +4
        Quote: Baikonur
        No need to gloat not battle losses!


        yes

        A 1992 born pilot died

        23 years in total .... who is more experienced in Geyrop on earnings ??? !!
      7. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 11 November 2015 13: 42
        +2
        Yes sir! The guy is sorry, the kid is completely ........ another thing over the Donbass shot down ....... although yes so .... not all Bandera
        1. mich
          mich 11 November 2015 14: 19
          25
          On the Maidan, too, young boys peacefully threw Berkut Molotov cocktails, can now offer to mourn the heavenly 100? I don’t think that there was a simple decent person in the cockpit, they would be allowed to fly only ideological ones with brainwashed who, without hesitation, would surrender their SBU! And do not say that he did not have the right to choose and was pushed into the plane by force! KNOW WHERE TO PREPARE
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 11
            -9
            Quote: Mich
            On the Maidan, too, young boys peacefully threw Berkut Molotov cocktails

            Anti-Russian sentiment is supported by the bulk of Ukrainian youth. Everyone under the knife?
            There is such an expression - we are what we eat. So, they hawala selective anti-Russian propaganda, flavored with zinc parcels from the anti-terrorist operation zone. In another way, they will not apply to us in the next few years. But this is not a reason to mock non-combat losses.
            1. Valentine
              Valentine 11 November 2015 18: 54
              +8
              And for me it’s a battle loss. He learned to kill, but on
              they also kill the war in return, blood for blood, death for death, and these are not big words. And now I am one hundred percent sure that he, from his combat aircraft, will no longer kill me or others
              residents of Donbass, because there is no longer either him or his plane. And about the "next few years", then you, Ingvar, are mistaken. Hatred of us, the USSR, and now Russia, has been cultivated by whole generations since the times of the Polish landlord, whose offspring are now running the "ball" in Ukraine, and they will lay the bones for their banderoideals, regardless of
              the lives of tens of millions of Ukrainian citizens, they
              garbage for them, consumables ... Even at the initial stage of the Euromaidan, I, in the comments, corresponded with one woman, the mother of two student children, who came to the Maidan on November 20, 2013. I asked her what they were doing there, what they inspired it? Now they breathe the air of freedom there, and they will make a revolution. Well, well, I think we'll see what happens next ... And somewhere in March of the year, during correspondence, I stumbled upon her nickname and asked her how she the children, what they do ... one died, and the second without a leg, and I am a bad mother if I sent my son to this slaughter .... There is nothing to add.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 19: 30
                -1
                Quote: Valentine
                .He learned to kill, but on
                they also kill war in return, blood for blood, death for death, and these are not big words

                That is, the Ukrainians are right in their attitude to our military on the censor? When they shout in pursuit of our fallen volunteers-vacationers "when will you all rest"? When do people rejoice at the collapse of the barracks in Omsk? After all, the deceased guys could go on vacation to Donbass after training.
                Where is the difference between Censor’s diarrhea for the dead in Omsk and diarrhea for the dead cadet here?
                Understand that Simonov's poems "Kill the Fascist" are not relevant to all Ukrainians.
                1. Valentine
                  Valentine 11 November 2015 21: 30
                  +3
                  Dear Ingvar! Do not, as an example, bring this censor-garbage. With the same success
                  you can also "squeeze" the "Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion" here, where those commenting on the "Censor" will seem to be just babies. innocent people, they are destroying their home towns and villages, Vys - from the line of the World, where they do not kill, do not shoot, do not destroy. And about mourning or fun, grief or joy. I remember this well
                  "fun" in Ukraine back in August 2000, when the Kursk nuclear submarine "sank", when on Ukrainian television many television commentators
                  , with hidden joy and aspiration, announced about
                  the death of a Russian submarine .... Ingvar, you remind me very much of BoBoN (Boris Borisych Nadezhdin) and Stanislav Stankevich in the way you think, putting liberalism and tolerance at the forefront, but in troubled and dashing times this never helped and only the arrogant and toothy survived. And such times
                  come in all its glory.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 12 November 2015 10: 20
                    -1
                    Quote: Valentine
                    Dear Ingvar! Do not, as an example, bring this censor-garbage. With the same success
                    you can "squeeze" here and "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"


                    And you didn’t explain the difference in diarrhea on the Censor here.
                    Comparison of the Censor and the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" again from the rubric is soft and warm. Did you read the protocols yourself? If we consider that their dating falls on the 19th century, then it is enough to superimpose them on the history of the 19-20th centuries, in order to notice that everything described in the protocols has come true.
                    1. Valentine
                      Valentine 12 November 2015 14: 29
                      0
                      Ingvar, these "protocols" are not just a piece of paper, but a direct guide to action for many centuries to come for a "certain" nation in its
                      the sole rule on our sinful and long-suffering land. Manipulation of human consciousness is the main postulate of these "protocols", and this is the highest echelon of their ingenuity. And those who knock on the Censor,
                      they don’t even suspect that a virtual microchip has been inserted into their brains
                      crap. For a quarter of a century of this, if one may say so, "nezalezhnosti, the brains of young" schiry "
                      undergrowths accept only "programs" about
                      its complete exclusivity and impunity in its acts for the good
                      "nenki-Ukraine". They became robots,
                      stamping on the Censor the same, prepared for them, slogans: "Putin-x ... lo", "Glory to Ukraine", "Ukraine on a mustache",
                      "yaku on gilyaku", etc., and so on ... And after all
                      there are only SIX of these protocols, and they will turn the whole world upside down if they are not opposed to a simple, philanthropic one,
                      reasonable policy. So the connection between those knocking on the Censor and the "Protocols" is the most direct. And I advise forum users who are not familiar with
                      "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - read them
                      Internet version, scary, hair stand on end, but informative.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2015 16: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Valentine
                        "protocols" are not just pieces of paper,

                        I am glad that you understand this, many shout that bullshit.
                        Quote: Valentine
                        And those who knock on the Censor,
                        they don’t even suspect that a virtual microchip has been inserted into their brains
                        crap

                        Do you know about polarity? + \ -? We also knock on the clave, only with a different charge. The purpose of these exercises is to share what remains in the Russian people on both sides of the border. And the gloating over the death of the cadet is precisely the result of the work of the manipulators. hi
                      2. Valentine
                        Valentine 12 November 2015 19: 12
                        +1
                        You, Ingmar, are wrong. Yes, and nothing to do with polarity. Separating the Russian people neither morally, nor morally, nor psychologically,
                        not mentally impossible. It has always been, is and will be the Russian people. I do not at all exalt and ideologize it, so as not to think about its exclusivity over other nations, as the Americans do, but ... we were artificially divided
                        geographically, our "inhabitants of heaven", but we
                        still remember whose tribe we are, we-
                        Russians, not Ivanes, who do not remember kinship.
                        what am I doing this? But to what. I wish fate to me
                        I had to move from Norilsk to Donbass
                        , three months before the collapse of the USSR, and I had the "pleasure", with my own eyes, to see the formation of the so-called "independence" of Ukraine - persecution, humiliation, insult to Russians in spirit, and Orthodox by faith on the part of the "titular" nation. Almost a quarter Donbass endured all these bullying for centuries, even when the Maidan began, but when the pogroms began in the Donbass, then he rebelled, defending himself.NOT we came to Lviv and Kiev with weapons, but they came to us to kill us, our women , the elderly and children. The war began, we were bombed, shelled, destroyed our houses, schools and hospitals, we were killed in apartments and on the streets with bombs and shells,
                        but the people of Donbass only rallied more strongly. And you know, Ingvar, the people there live in Russia, breathe in Russia, believe in Russia .... Where there is now a war, there people are more RUSSIAN than some of the "Russians" in Russia, believe me on my word. It is very, very difficult to separate us, and in a dashing time
                        NEVER.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 12 November 2015 21: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Valentine
                        And you know, Ingvar, the people there live Russia, breathe Russia, believe in Russia ....

                        I know. Communicated live.
                        But they have already divided the people, Bismarck's precepts have come true. Now almost all of Ukraine hates Russia, and the next 20-30 years there will be no other way. And genetically these are Russian people! Understand, not ordinary people like this guy are to blame, but who is at the helm. and who pays for it. You. who understands the essence of the "protocols" must understand why they speak in the same protocols about the need to control the media. It is the media. controlled by the authorities shape public opinion.
                        I grew up on Soviet books and films. I remember one moment where the commander reproached the fighter for excessive cruelty. The soldier made excuses, saying that the Nazis are worse off. And the commander answered him - we are not fascists. It’s not for nothing that the censor cited an example; you don’t need to become like them. And I understand your emotions, if you are from there - your eyes are biased, it’s too painful. But you still need to remain a person. hi
                        P.S. How do you feel about Strelkov?
                      4. Valentine
                        Valentine 12 November 2015 22: 37
                        +2
                        As for emotions and "painful" - that's still putting it mildly. I arrived from there two days ago, so there is no talk of any truce and withdrawal of the speech, as they fired at, they continue. again, everything is in place. And there are signs that something serious will begin soon, most likely after the second round of elections, after November 15, where the power will receive an absolute minority .... How do I feel about Strelkov? This is a rather controversial personality, in him the staff captain of the tsarist army and the glorious Nestor Ivanovich Makhno coexist. Someone calls him a hero, admiring him, someone says that he is just an adventurer in a sword belt,
                        the people, but he himself disappeared ... Well, come on, the trouble began, Donbass rose, stands, and will stand, he is not given another, and all this is well understood, even by enemies.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 13 November 2015 06: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Valentine
                        About emotions and "painful" - that's putting it mildly.

                        Then your attitude is clear. Burn out, God forbid, look at the situation differently.
                        Quote: Valentine
                        , and he disappeared ...

                        They recalled, hinting that the homeland needed dead heroes, but no living ones.
                        Good luck to you. Sincerely, Igor. hi
                      6. Valentine
                        Valentine 13 November 2015 11: 23
                        +2
                        Here I agree with you, Ingvar. After the Second World War, we have "burned out" for almost 70 years to the Germans, now, as it were, friends. And after the civil, how many years did it burn out, when "brother against brother? What was ALL THIS for? As there were princes and counts, they remained, they only changed into ministers and oligarchs, with the manners of punks from the gateway. And now again a repetition of what has been passed, again "brother against brother" Three decades will not be enough ... ...
                        All the best to you, Igor! It was nice to talk.
  2. mich
    mich 11 November 2015 19: 24
    +1
    Why, then, under the knife, let them jump in their swamp until the summons arrives.
    They hawala only because their parents work in an "aggressor country", but when very soon there is nothing to eat, they will immediately understand where black and white are.
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 11 November 2015 14: 20
    13
    Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
    ... not all Bandera

    Everything in the Air Force of the Outskirts - I knew that there would be a mission and it would fly to bomb the civilian population of Donbass. So, I do not want to gloat 1-0 in our favor, but I also do not feel pity about this ...
  • just exp
    just exp 11 November 2015 13: 43
    18
    please tell this to those people of Donbass whose houses such aircraft should storm.
    they will explain to you better than me what they think about this disaster.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 11 November 2015 14: 00
    15
    Quote: Baikonur
    No need to gloat not battle losses! Do not be like their censor!


    The angry partisans, although cynical, stated the fact that fewer militiamen and civilians would die from this Drying ... Have you tried from this point of view to consider the fact of the death of the plane and the pilot ???

    PS It’s one thing when the Censor was gloating over the death of a dead civilian plane with peaceful tourists, and another thing when the plane and the pilot crashed, designed to bring death to people ...

    There is a war there, have not forgotten ???
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 11 November 2015 15: 37
      -6
      Quote: veksha50
      It is one thing when the Censor was gloating over the death of a dead civilian plane with peaceful tourists, and another - when the plane and the pilot crashed, designed to bring death to people ...

      There is a war there, have not forgotten ???

      Now, if he really bombed and they shot him down, it would be fair. And so in your opinion, you can rejoice if a Ukrainian school takes off. After all, students could grow up and go to the APU
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 13
      -4
      Quote: veksha50
      that fewer militias and civilians will die from this drying ...

      I repeat, the Ukrainian Air Force has not been used in the ATO for about a year (+ \ -).
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 11 November 2015 14: 44
    +2
    Quote: Baikonur
    No need to gloat not battle losses!

    It is, of course, if in the cockpit there was some kind of young, unkissed, and if there was one of those who stormed the cities of Luhansk and Donetsk, then forgive me a sinner; as my dad used to say: - "hai him grats", without amen and rest in peace. sad
  • g1v2
    g1v2 11 November 2015 14: 59
    +7
    On the one hand, you are right - a Russian guy was sitting at the helm, the same as those on the site now. Surely he studied in the Russian city of Kharkov. However, let's really look - first of all, this is an enemy aircraft and an enemy pilot. There is nothing special to rejoice, but it is not shameful to rejoice, especially since they have every rook on the account.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. mitrich
      mitrich 11 November 2015 17: 46
      +2
      I agree with you, this is a minus another letak in the armada of the Air Force's army, ce garneau. Of course, it’s a pity for the guy, there is no joy here, but even on the condition that he did not bomb his own citizens in the ATO. If so, then he is a criminal and got what he deserves. In any case, to rejoice somehow is too much.
  • Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 11 November 2015 15: 04
    +3
    Baikonur, and if this is the one who fired on the city center in New Russia?
    1. severniy
      severniy 11 November 2015 23: 12
      -4
      Quote: Absurdidat
      Baikonur, and if this is the one who fired on the city center in New Russia?

      and if grandmother has x .., then is she a grandfather ?, and if they would have attached nuclear weapons to the plane? what is the speculation? read comments, do not think out ...
  • Valentine
    Valentine 11 November 2015 15: 17
    14
    And YOU, Baikonur, saw live how a rocket flies from a combat aircraft, what sound it makes when flying, how it breaks through
    the roof of the building of the city Ministry of Internal Affairs in Gorlovka, how do the ceilings collapse and people die? But there were mainly civilians there, there were security services for the city, six of them died, many were injured .... And I'm glad that happened to their pilot and plane, although this sounds cynical and inhumane. I now know for sure that this pilot will never bomb me again, like his plane. I spent more than a year in this city under their shelling and bombing, I felt all this on myself
    and experienced when the earth and sky changed places when
    high-rise buildings shook from the explosions, when only one thought was beating in my head, just not to remain crippled, without an arm or leg, it’s better right away .... And don’t
    it’s so pathetic, in the spirit of Staff Captain Igor Strelkov, to say when we should shout cheers and when not, but this situation, as you can see from the comments,
    all the same, most appreciate it by raising the thumb up, and that means a lot. And to the joy we still oh how far, but let's hope for the best
    1. I am Russian
      I am Russian 11 November 2015 17: 19
      +3
      Saw.
      Or in the Village of Lugansk 15 houses.
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 11 November 2015 19: 55
      -3
      no! I saw only how peaceful rockets start in peaceful (yet) space!
      And how do you feel when the censor frantically rejoiced over the collapse of the barracks in Omsk? After all, the dead guys could go on vacation to the Donbass after training.
      1. Valentine
        Valentine 11 November 2015 21: 46
        +3
        And I, Baikonur, remember well August two thousandth, when the Kursk nuclear submarine "perished", with what secret joy about
        it was said by some Ukrainian television commentators,
        and at that time we, it seems, were still brothers? And the Censor is a cloaca of local, Ukrainian, bottling, and after all, how does this "agitprop" "wrinkle" and take out the brains?
        God forbid that both Cosmos and Life on earth always be peaceful .... Yes, Dreams, Dreams .... !!!!
  • Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 11 November 2015 16: 45
    +8
    Now in the comments I read in the censor that Putin is to blame for the crash of this plane !!!!!
    To the reasonable question "where does Putin have to do with it?" answer (as Zadornov says "take a deep breath"):
    "PatAmu Sho he is hu.lo! If I hadn't climbed into Ukraine, the guys would not have flown. For 23 years, they would not have flown and would not have flown any further, and everyone would have been intact.
    Text and spelling saved.
    How do you like this approach? I almost fell under the table !!
    Yes, here's another pearl from the Ukrainian with the nickname Hutsul - "It's a pity, lads. Mig bite fight from Moscow for the Cream!"
    I’m coming from crests)))
    1. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 12 November 2015 00: 19
      +1
      Well, what to take from them, from ukrov, they have long turned into walking bags, in which there is nothing. except fierce, blind animal hatred, there is no more, in a word zombies, humanoid, so there is nothing to be surprised.
  • imrek_ua
    imrek_ua 11 November 2015 17: 11
    +5
    Sorry, I’m gloating. You know, it itself is gloating after last year's RBU in my city.
  • Vladimir Pozlnyakov
    Vladimir Pozlnyakov 12 November 2015 00: 36
    +1
    In the courtyard of the Voronovs' house in Shakhtyorsk, a projectile fell. The worst blow was taken by the younger brother of Vanya, 5-year-old Artyom and the head of the family. They did not survive. 9-year-old Ivan tore off both legs, his right arm and severely injured his eyes! The shell was sent by an ARTILLERIST on the orders of the COOMANDER!
    A MILITARY PILOT, KNOWING THAT AT ANY MINUTE MAY BE SENT TO KILL CHILDREN (and fly !!!) SHOULD LEAVE TO WORK AS A JANISHER OR SHEPHERD! THREE THOSE THE SAME AS HE FASISISTS BEATED ABOUT DONBASS !!!!
    I am painfully SORRY for Vanya and not a bit sorry for the potential KILLER-fascist!
  • Altona
    Altona 11 November 2015 13: 51
    +7
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    Another minus one. Well, thank God. And do not mind.

    ------------------------
    Maltese is a pity, of course, quite young, but with the plane it’s just fine, he left for the purpose ...
    1. agent rossii
      agent rossii 11 November 2015 16: 21
      12
      this is not a kid but a soldier of the enemy army ...... so that the flippers are glued together and to hell with him angry
      1. severniy
        severniy 11 November 2015 23: 19
        -1
        Quote: agent rossii
        this is not a kid but a soldier of the enemy army ...... so that the flippers are glued together and to hell with him angry

        even a little weak in expressions .., the mat would add, all the Ukrainian grunted ...,
        thanks to you and people like you, as well as to all those who plus such comments, we don’t have a fraternal people now, but there is a country that hates us fiercely ... but that’s on your conscience ..
  • askort154
    askort154 11 November 2015 14: 12
    0
    evil partisan .... Another minus one. Well, thank God. And it's not a pity.


    Do not be like Khokhlov!
    1. askort154
      askort154 11 November 2015 15: 39
      0
      askort154] Do not be like Khokhlov!

      Is it really incomprehensible? If he was shot down over Donbas, this is the joy of victory!
      And if he crashed while performing training flights, that is different. He is not yet an enemy and may not be one if the peace persists. Correctly BAIKONUR said, do not be like a hohlyatsky "censor".
      Let's not forget about the honor!
      1. Valentine
        Valentine 11 November 2015 19: 08
        +6
        Are you not a "Tolstoyan" by any chance? Or maybe he can also give him a hero of the DPR, for the fact that he did not manage to bomb the Donbass?
        1. severniy
          severniy 11 November 2015 23: 20
          -4
          Quote: Valentine
          Are you not a "Tolstoyan" by any chance? Or maybe he can also give him a hero of the DPR, for the fact that he did not manage to bomb the Donbass?

          but you, spitting the coffin, are far from being patriots of Russia ...
          1. Valentine
            Valentine 12 November 2015 10: 13
            +1
            No offense will be said, but because of the connivance of such "spares" like you, everything happened in Ukraine
            .If Yanukovych the slug would be a man, and put things in order on the Maidan with a hard hand, we would never see the Ukrainian apocalypse, that's what your pseudo-liberalism and the same tolerance bring to. And I personally experienced all this,
            all your forgiveness, and I pray to the Creator that he does not allow this either in Russia or elsewhere. Well, believe me, this is very scary.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 11 November 2015 14: 27
    -5
    Well, do not mind? Pilot, born 92 was. Only because of the desk. Here you have the beginning of a flying career. Sorry. And those who cannot train are to blame, and who put him on a single-seat aircraft, for lack of UB modifications, here they are, it’s not a pity.
  • theadenter
    theadenter 11 November 2015 16: 42
    -2
    Are all Ukrainian pilots war criminals by default?
    Minus the plane - yes, not bad.
    But minus the pilot - here I do not share your joy.
  • 0255
    0255 11 November 2015 13: 18
    29
    If this pilot bombed Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk or Lugansk, then he does not mind am
    1. sinukvl
      sinukvl 11 November 2015 13: 37
      +9
      This is hardly a guy born in 1992. He was 23 years old, he had recently graduated from the flying school, he probably did not learn to fly properly. So rest in peace to him! Condolences to relatives. But who should be covered with obscenities, these are those stubs that repair planes in this way, and then young guys, without serious flying experience, were put to fly around this bucket with nuts (I'm not talking about the S-25, this is a super reliable car, I mean that from the Su-25 "repaired").
      1. Good me
        Good me 11 November 2015 13: 48
        13
        Quote: sinukvl
        ... But who should be covered with obscenities, these are those stubs that repair planes in this way, and then young guys, without serious flying experience, were put to fly around this bucket with nuts (I'm not talking about the S-25, this is a super reliable car, I mean that from the Su-25 "repaired").


        They, "ukurkami", at the time to erect a monument ... If this is SABOTAGE, THANKS A LOT for it ...

        Are you, in your pacifism and compassionate "philanthropy", have you gone crazy? Do not understand WHY planes and pilots are trained?
        1. iliya87
          iliya87 11 November 2015 14: 28
          0
          The fact of the matter is that IF! Gentlemen and ladies, people differ from animals in that they argue from the beginning, and then they blame them. If it is not proved that it was bombing, then by default it is not guilty. And this is equivalent to the loss of a military aircraft during exercises in peacetime. Draw your own conclusions, I personally do not see a motive for gloating.
      2. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 11 November 2015 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: sinukvl
        It was 23 of the year, he recently graduated from the flight school, most likely he didn’t really learn to fly.

        As the saying goes:
        You can not perform the act of defecation correctly - do not torment your anus with vain actions to extract stool

        In the original sounds rude, of course, ... well, you understand ...
    2. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: 0255
      If this pilot bombed Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk or Lugansk, then he does not mind


      And IF I ONLY PREPARED, but didn’t have time (Ai-ya-yi, what an accident ...), SORRY?
      1. sinukvl
        sinukvl 11 November 2015 14: 01
        +5
        Not according to ours, not according to the Orthodox, he mocks the corpse of the enemy (it has always been like that, the enemy died, and the earth was buried for him in peace. And no one, when they didn’t dance joy over the graves of the enemy), and we should not be like the Geyropeans and the North Gabonians. And I give an explanation - the loss of the car with dill RAD, (perhaps I did not correctly formulate the thought about those who are repairing, formulates again - "Your mother! Repair everything so that it would crumble!") I will rejoice when the Armies of the LPR and the DPR take Kiev, and Porosya with the Rabbit and others like them, will be suspended for a causal place!
    3. voronbel53
      voronbel53 17 November 2015 13: 14
      0
      Let Saint Peter sort them out ... Although it can be a very long time to wait - I wanted them to be rewarded for their "merits" during their lifetime, and not in heaven for their sins ...
  • Frigate
    Frigate 11 November 2015 13: 18
    11
    The report said that as a result of the crash, the pilot of the attack aircraft died. Press Service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:


    Pilots, banderlogs were probably forbidden to eject, because there are more of them in Ukraine than airplanes.
    1. tth
      tth 11 November 2015 13: 50
      +3
      I read somewhere that the militia last fall captured a banderlog tank with the crew, and so the hatches were brewed outside. Do you think the same here?
      1. agent rossii
        agent rossii 11 November 2015 16: 22
        +2
        it was necessary to warm this tank over low heat
  • Hubun
    Hubun 11 November 2015 13: 19
    0
    boy so pilot
    1. Altona
      Altona 11 November 2015 13: 53
      +9
      Quote: Hubun
      boy so pilot

      -----------------
      He did not study as a pilot in order to bomb in the ATO, and he made the decision to become a pilot at least 5 years ago ...
      1. Good me
        Good me 11 November 2015 14: 19
        +5
        Quote: Altona
        He did not study as a pilot in order to bomb in the ATO, and he made the decision to become a pilot at least 5 years ago ...


        Well, I would also simulate allergic scabies, from the type of airplane, in combination with diarrhea, so as not to become a "hero of the ATO" as a result ...

      2. voronbel53
        voronbel53 17 November 2015 13: 29
        0
        Pilots in civil aviation, and here a military pilot, - taught to kill, knew what he was learning; and what’s not in battle is fate, I think it’s not on their side ...
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 11 November 2015 13: 19
    18
    If an ordinary pilot, then sorry for the guy.
    If it has the blood of Donbass children and women, then the award has found a "hero" ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 13: 25
      15
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      If an ordinary pilot, then sorry for the guy.
      If it has the blood of Donbass children and women, then the award has found a "hero" ...

      Don't you suppose that those on whom the blood of children and women of Donbass, before the start of the so-called "ATO", were also "ordinary pilots"?

      Not timely "philanthropy" ...


      Serves the junta, then the enemy, a potential killer.
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 11 November 2015 13: 29
        +3
        If you didn’t kill, it’s not a killer. You can serve the people of Ukraine (your country and not the one above) and this is not a shame.
        Understand your concepts please ...
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 11 November 2015 13: 44
          +8
          In this case, you are wrong.
          I read your comments with great interest and have always agreed with your opinions.
          I am not happy about his death, but to say that he served the people of Ukraine is not true.
          So you can justify anyone and anything. For example, write that he needs to feed his family.
          I respect your opinion and understand the human emotions that dictated your comment. But on the other side of this problem are also human lives, in the DPR and LPR that cannot be forgotten.
          1. Altona
            Altona 11 November 2015 13: 57
            +3
            Quote: Turkir
            I respect your opinion and understand the human emotions that dictated your comment. But on the other side of this problem are also human lives, in the DPR and LPR that cannot be forgotten.

            ---------------------
            He died in a training flight in Zaporozhye, apparently just from the school. They have been studying at the school for 5 years. What does the LC and the DNI? It is unlikely that he would have got there, if he could not really fly, and there, after all, one must also be able to bomb and perform protective maneuvers.
        2. Frigate
          Frigate 11 November 2015 14: 07
          0
          Quote: Mama_Cholli
          If you didn’t kill, it’s not a killer. You can serve the people of Ukraine (your country not the one upstairs) and this is not a shame.
          Understand your concepts please ...

          And who gives orders, the one who is on top or the people?
      2. cniza
        cniza 11 November 2015 13: 41
        +3
        Quote: Good I
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        If an ordinary pilot, then sorry for the guy.
        If it has the blood of Donbass children and women, then the award has found a "hero" ...


        Serves the junta, then the enemy, a potential killer.



        When a civil war, it is very difficult to make out who and where is right, who and where is to blame. Moreover, the 23-year-old guy, I do not justify him, I just don’t know much.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 19
        -3
        Quote: Good Me
        Don't you suppose that those on whom the blood of children and women of Donbass, before the start of the so-called "ATO", were also "ordinary pilots"?

        If you follow your logic, you need to cut out all Ukrainians of military age.
        1. Good me
          Good me 11 November 2015 20: 50
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72

          If you follow your logic, you need to cut out all Ukrainians of military age.

          Voluntarily picking up weapons in their hands, and applying (preparing to use) them in the Donbass,YES !

          Moreover, the pilot-raider was preparing to fly for five years, and after a year and a half of the war he did not realize what he was being prepared for ...
    2. unsinkable
      unsinkable 11 November 2015 13: 56
      +9
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      If an ordinary pilot, then sorry for the guy.

      I have neither pity nor joy. This junk should fall by definition. And it makes no sense to determine a good guy pilot or bad. Statistics. Minus one. Imagine the situation in battle: the pilot of another army asks Ukrainian: * guy you bombed Donbas? * Answer no. Then you are good, fly home. * The enemy is an enemy, good or evil.
    3. mich
      mich 11 November 2015 14: 34
      +6
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      If an ordinary pilot

      At the Nuremberg trials, SS troops were charged with war crimes. In conclusion, the members of the SS who were officially accepted as members of the SS ... or remained its members, knowing that this organization was used to commit criminal acts, were declared a criminal group by the tribunal.
      Do not find analogies? or did he think it would be fertilizers to process the corn fields?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 24
        -7
        Quote: Mich
        Do not find analogies?

        In the Ukrainian Air Force, an ideology similar to the SS? Where is the analogy? Luftwaffe recognized as a criminal organization? And the Wehrmacht as a whole? No.
        Do not confuse warm with soft.
        1. mich
          mich 11 November 2015 17: 31
          +9
          Correspondent "KP" about the air strike in Lugansk: Civilians were dying before my eyes
          - Aimed at people who are next to the administration. Because there are always people here. There is such an active political platform. Well, a couple of fighters, but mostly civilians. In general, he killed civilians. He did not hook a single military man.
          And according to your airstrikes on a civilian object, is this not a war crime?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 17: 58
            -3
            Quote: Mich
            And according to your airstrikes on a civilian object, is this not a war crime?

            War crime committed by a specific person on the orders of a specific person. By the way, most pilots refused to depart, Mamchur agreed.
            I like exactly I know that some of ours in Chechnya also committed war crimes. Specific persons. But this is not a reason to stigmatize the whole army with freaks.
            Enrages the indiscretion of the people who recorded all the soldiers of Ukraine as enemies. One to one censor. But recently they themselves were wondering why many residents of Ukraine were sweetened by Russia.
            And the minuses are on my side, I'm not here for the rating. I have my opinion, and I uphold it. The pilot is not even a career officer, just a cadet, and died during a training flight. And he didn’t give a damn here. Not humanly.
            1. mich
              mich 11 November 2015 19: 06
              +3
              But will the pilot be trained in the current realities of the UkrVVS if there is no certainty that he will fulfill any - even the most inhuman order? In my humble opinion, the majority of those who have fret with conscience long ago by all hooks and crooks left the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine! In your opinion, the Ukrainian military are not enemies? So how can you name those who leveled Lugansk and Donetsk with the land ... They are only captured by all the drivers and cooks ... Could they get enough of Russia because there are difficulties with earning in a country that they hate?
          2. Turkir
            Turkir 12 November 2015 00: 49
            0
            Something does not show condolences about this photograph, but on the ground there are dead women. Not a single word from such eloquent commentators.
            Well, and who killed these women?
            -------------
            But how many mournful comments about the death of the pilot, oh no, not killed by the evil Russians, but killed by the stupidity of his Ukrainian commanders.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 12 November 2015 10: 26
              0
              Quote: Turkir
              Something does not show condolences about this photograph, but on the ground are dead women

              Everything was in due time.
              Quote: Turkir
              But how many mournful comments about the death of the pilot,

              It's a human pity for the boy, and comments like "there and the road" cause disgust. hi
        2. voronbel53
          voronbel53 17 November 2015 13: 41
          0
          Ingvar, well, you are stubborn in a bad sense, - they instructed you, I think, deservedly, sit and think, and not ... whether you are. I read your comments and thoughtful, think about it and you ...
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 11 November 2015 16: 41
        +4
        or did he think it would be fertilizers to process the corn fields?

        I agree with you. That is what I wrote in the previous comment.
        I did not write anything about the bombing.
        I did not agree with the opinion that he served the people of Ukraine.
        I think he served it for dull commentators, The US State Department, Mrs. Nuland, Mr. Brzezinski, as well as NATO, which allot MONEY for the service of these guys so that they die for their interests.
        For interests that in no case go to the good of the Ukrainian people.
        And for the two Slavic peoples to kill each other, and the rich KOLOMOISKY, Yatsenyuki and Waltsman and US financiers.
        And from this point of view I will not refuse.
  • Good me
    Good me 11 November 2015 13: 20
    13
    Not so long ago, there was an article about the commissioning of "new" Dryers ... They talked about 27.

    MINUS ONE...
  • Alexnder
    Alexnder 11 November 2015 13: 20
    10
    They themselves will fall more, more MANPADS will remain at LDNR!
  • Sly
    Sly 11 November 2015 13: 21
    +6
    23 year old pilot? something greenish ...
    1. severniy
      severniy 11 November 2015 13: 38
      +2
      Quote: Sly
      23 year old pilot? something greenish ...

      Remember the Hitler Youth ... History repeats itself .....
      1. just exp
        just exp 11 November 2015 13: 46
        +2
        like a famous band had a song
        "a plane fell from the sky, the Hitler Youth is a pilot in it, would have flown to Moscow if there was enough firewood"
        in the original, the pilot really was Chinese.
      2. lwxx
        lwxx 11 November 2015 13: 52
        +4
        Your memory is also very bad. Ours also flew as boys.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 11 November 2015 14: 18
          +2
          Quote: lwxx
          Your memory is also very bad. Ours also flew as boys.



          And if you recall the son of Kamanin ... How old was he then - 14 ??? !!!
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 11 November 2015 14: 17
      +5
      Quote: Sly
      23 year old pilot? something greenish ...


      Hmm ... Normal and normal age for a lieutenant who graduated from the Higher Aviation School of Pilots during the Soviet Union ...

      Naturally, there is no experience ... Most likely, something happened to the plane, and the young one could not orientate as it should ...

      But again, I repeat: both a combat aircraft and its pilot are intended, sorry for cynicism, for killing, and the fact that one attack aircraft in the Ukrainian Air Force has become smaller is good ...
  • nizrum
    nizrum 11 November 2015 13: 21
    +5
    92-g. birth? No wonder they were knocked down all the time ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 14: 52
      +5
      Quote: nizrum
      92-g. birth? No wonder they were knocked down all the time ...


      They were "knocked down" that year of the "elite aces of the Luftwaffe" ...

      The survivors, and pretty wiser beaten "kheroi ATO" prudently switched to non-flying, leadership positions, "opening the way to the sky" to such "yellow-horned" ...
  • vvp2412
    vvp2412 11 November 2015 13: 21
    +7
    Notably repaired! One less flyer ...
    There was an article yesterday or the day before yesterday about the composition of the Su-25 at the moment as part of the Air Force ruins .. I should correct the article for him!
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 11 November 2015 13: 21
    11
    The fewer of them, the calmer in the Donbass.
  • roskot
    roskot 11 November 2015 13: 22
    +8
    Well, planes, ships, rockets are contraindicated for horses. Either they will sell, or they will break.
  • KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 11 November 2015 13: 22
    +1
    Anyway, I feel sorry for the man ...
    1. sannych
      sannych 11 November 2015 13: 30
      11
      Man to man is different. Hitler was also a man. It has already been said here if he participated in the so-called ATO, then nefig and regret it. I didn’t put a plus on the article, and I won’t ride like joy on the Maidan Race because it’s not clear what kind of person died.
    2. voronbel53
      voronbel53 11 November 2015 14: 34
      +3
      Quote: KAPITANUS
      Anyway, I feel sorry for the man ...

      If it’s very a pity, write condolences to your parents and go to the funeral ... And if not, then it’s better to be silent.
  • semuil
    semuil 11 November 2015 13: 23
    +6
    You can’t give them airplanes in your hands, all sorts of crap immediately gets into your head.
  • eleronn
    eleronn 11 November 2015 13: 24
    11
    You are sorry, but you do not have to grieve and condole!
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 November 2015 13: 26
    11
    Let's not gloat. I'm sorry for the guy. Very young. And much more experienced pilots are missing? From the meager supply of attack aircraft - minus one. Less air threat to VSN. "Rook" - in skillful hands - a formidable weapon. I repeat, in the skillful.
  • guznorodov
    guznorodov 11 November 2015 13: 26
    +7
    the plane flew out with grief in half and the means of rescue forgot to check or did not work. I think that in Ukraine there are currently no special patriots to fight for the survivability of the machine. So fly like a kamikaze one way.
    1. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: guznorodov
      the plane flew out with grief in half and the means of rescue forgot to check or did not work.


      Like Powers, he feared the catapult was mined yes
  • Smoked
    Smoked 11 November 2015 13: 27
    +3
    Do not be like ukram with comments.

    And repair by the aerodrome service staff is not factory.
  • The comment was deleted.
    1. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Mihalich17
      Tufted guys! )))
      Grow tsybulu and kavuns, they turn out cool!)))


      I don’t know how kavuns are, and I’m picking up there, they are raising Koreans lol yes
  • pts-m
    pts-m 11 November 2015 13: 29
    -3
    it seems that conscience stuck with the ukrinovsky pilot for bombing the civilians of the southeast ruins and he decided to take revenge on the confectioner.
    1. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 14: 23
      +1
      Quote: PTS-m
      it seems that conscience stuck with the ukrinovsky pilot for bombing the civilians of the southeast ruins and he decided to take revenge on the confectioner.

      But kerAsinU, it was not enough to reach the Roshen factory ...
  • katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 11 November 2015 13: 30
    +1
    They are being prepared for blitz krieg, no one will attack them, why? They themselves will give everything ... with mourning time.
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 11 November 2015 13: 30
    +3
    Quote: 0255
    If this pilot bombed Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Donetsk or Lugansk, then he does not mind


    The kid really didn’t even learn to fly where he could bomb something else. I am so sorry for my relatives and friends.
    1. Dmitry Ukraine
      Dmitry Ukraine 11 November 2015 13: 44
      +6
      It is with the lives of such young, inexperienced pilots, as well as those foolish by the media and "grant-eating" organizations, young people, basically, the Maidan "heroes" made their way to their power in Ukraine, destroying the country along the way, in every sense of the word. Why wasn't the guarantor at the helm? Is candy easier to make? I would fly, together with the super-ueropean prime minister ...
    2. mich
      mich 11 November 2015 14: 44
      +1
      Sometimes it’s better not to say anything, but you won’t condole the suicide bomber who blew up the suicide belt before reaching the crowded crowd.
  • paxil
    paxil 11 November 2015 13: 33
    +2
    Everyone noticed that the pilot is a bastard completely born in 1992, 23 year old was a child. And where did he learn that at such a young age he was entrusted with such a serious machine as the SU-25? Apparently tight with staff, there are no adult professionals who put children at the helm.
    1. Mihalich17
      Mihalich17 11 November 2015 13: 36
      +5
      Gaidar at 16 - commanded a regiment! 23 years old is a real man! Here snot bred by age! I knew what was going on, tea didn’t come to the office, but to military service! To the military!
      And so, condolences to his loved ones!
      1. severniy
        severniy 11 November 2015 13: 42
        +3
        Quote: paxil
        Everyone noticed that the pilot is a bastard completely born in 1992, 23 year old was a child. And where did he learn that at such a young age he was entrusted with such a serious machine as the SU-25? Apparently tight with staff, there are no adult professionals who put children at the helm.

        In adults, maybe a little more crazy. And do not climb into this d..mo ....
      2. paxil
        paxil 11 November 2015 13: 42
        +7
        Quote: Mihalich17
        Gaidar at 16 - commanded a regiment! 23 years old is a real man! Here snot bred by age! I knew what was going on, tea didn’t come to the office but to military service! To the military!
        And so, condolences to his loved ones!

        And where is Gaidar? To prepare the pilot after school, he flies for several years as an intern so that he can be allowed to fly on his own. In the average, to prepare a professional pilot you need from 10 to 15 years, what am I talking about?
    2. slaw14
      slaw14 11 November 2015 14: 21
      0
      I agree that such a technique was trusted by pilots with good experience. It was on the SU-25 (with the same number as in the article) that flew deputy commander of the Air Force 4 army Colonel Rutskoi. True, in August 1988 he was shot down, but then there was an Afghan .And so young to die and it’s not clear what a pilot as a person is a pity.
  • inferno_nv
    inferno_nv 11 November 2015 13: 35
    +6
    Reminded of the censor! The pilot of the 92nd year, he most likely just came from the school, and then the gloating began! sad Recently, everyone wrote that it was possible to gloat over those who died in a plane crash, and now many started themselves, somehow not humanly! If he was shot down in LDNR, and so the young man is a training flight for a novice pilot ... So what, what is the regime, now that you don’t need to learn anyone until the regime changes, you don’t need a pilot, sailors, etc., and then who will teach how to change the regime? Negative, but the gloating is not good, it has the properties of return! hi
    1. severniy
      severniy 11 November 2015 13: 46
      +6
      Quote: inferno_nv
      Reminded of the censor! The pilot of the 92nd year, he most likely just came from the school, and then the gloating began! sad Recently, everyone wrote that it was possible to gloat over those who died in a plane crash, and now many started themselves, somehow not humanly! If he was shot down in LDNR, and so the young man is a training flight for a novice pilot ... So what, what is the regime, now that you don’t need to learn anyone until the regime changes, you don’t need a pilot, sailors, etc., and then who will teach how to change the regime? Negative, but the gloating is not good, it has the properties of return! hi

      Not many, do not exaggerate, most likely those who have the same young relatives, or loved ones taken away ... They are now any first-enemy soldier and this can not be changed ..
    2. AndreyS
      AndreyS 11 November 2015 14: 03
      10
      Quote: inferno_nv
      Recently, everyone wrote that it was possible to gloat over those who died in a plane crash, and now many started themselves, somehow not humanly!

      I don’t put you a minus, but I note - 224 civilians (civilians), 1 pilot combat aircraft. Young or old, it makes no difference, he is a pilot of a combat aircraft of a country that declared our country its adversary and accused of occupation.
      So the question arises, is there a difference what age he is, whether he fought in the ATO or not, if he serves in the army of the country in which the president says the following: "... "Let's speak directly - we are not at war with the Russian-backed separatists. This is a real war with Russia. Today they captured two Russian servicemen, a few weeks and months ago they captured 20 and 60, respectively, soldiers of Russian special forces. This is another strong evidence, "Poroshenko said in an interview with the BBC ..."
      So do not be patient, but the pilot of a combat aircraft of the country that declared war on the state in which you live was killed. And where did you get the idea that he would not have carried out the order of his commander-in-chief to launch a bomb attack on Donetsk, the Rostov Region ?!
      By the way, what the people write in the Russian spring: "...Just a cat. I feel sorry for the kid, but rightly so ..."
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 11 November 2015 13: 36
    +6
    Poltorak was going to upgrade in the sixteenth year of the Air Force, I wonder what will remain there to upgrade?
  • kramen
    kramen 11 November 2015 13: 41
    0
    great news!
  • umka571
    umka571 11 November 2015 13: 42
    +6
    For 23 years, he is a graduate of the school. In the good old days, they drove a year in a spark until the 3rd grade, only then, and then, if I passed the class, I flew out on a combat
  • Valkh
    Valkh 11 November 2015 13: 46
    +4
    Quote: sinukvl
    This is hardly a guy born in 1992. He was 23 years old, he had recently graduated from the flying school, he probably did not learn to fly properly. So rest in peace to him! Condolences to relatives. But who should be covered with obscenities, these are those stubs that repair planes in this way, and then young guys, without serious flying experience, were put to fly around this bucket with nuts (I'm not talking about the S-25, this is a super reliable car, I mean that from the Su-25 "repaired").

    I fully support !!!
  • Grigorievich
    Grigorievich 11 November 2015 13: 46
    +1
    And in what school in Ukraine are pilots being trained? It’s a pity the guy flies at scrap metal.
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 11 November 2015 13: 53
    +5
    Che t no draws on condolences request
  • Gunther
    Gunther 11 November 2015 13: 56
    +6
    The main thing is that civilians did not suffer, it’s already good.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 November 2015 13: 57
    +4
    Sorry for the guy’s relatives, but ... The militia is easier.
  • Seryoga0629
    Seryoga0629 11 November 2015 14: 15
    +2
    The day was not in vain, at least something good!) Fewer jackals in the Donbass will fly!
    1. severniy
      severniy 11 November 2015 15: 03
      -4
      Quote: Seryoga0629
      The day was not in vain, at least something good!)

      With such words, it is customary to ride ...
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 11 November 2015 14: 28
    +1
    The Russian soldier, especially the officer, has always been characterized by generosity, compassion and mercy, regardless of ranks and titles, so let's continue the traditions of the Russian Host - we will not dance on the coffins of our enemies, remember that a heart beats under each uniform. war victims to this information, these are different things! Well, we, all-not "Euro-girls", chasing cheap popularity, it's me about earning plus signs. And the boy's a pity!hi
  • artura0911
    artura0911 11 November 2015 14: 37
    +2
    If he bombed civilians, then God punished, and if not, then let the earth rest in peace. All the same, the guys do not have to rejoice.
  • AID.S
    AID.S 11 November 2015 14: 47
    +1
    Nicodemus died, well ... And now we’ll agree to raise funds for the training of Ukrainian litaks. Neither pity nor gloating, we read and forgot.
    1. severniy
      severniy 11 November 2015 15: 06
      -3
      Quote: AID.S
      Nicodemus died, well ...

      Would you tell mothers in the eyes?
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 11 November 2015 16: 26
        +3
        Does she need it? And condolences have already been brought. By the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Probably with the words "Glory to the Heroes" ...
  • mamont5
    mamont5 11 November 2015 15: 01
    +4
    Quote: severniy
    Judge people here for wearing uniforms.

    For wearing the TOY uniform - YES! That form is the form of punishers and murderers, bandits and looters. And the Armed Forces of Ukraine blame the tragedy of LDNR and Ukraine as a whole no less than the scum from NG and PS.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 16: 33
      -3
      Quote: mamont5
      And the Armed Forces of Ukraine blame the tragedy of LDNR and Ukraine as a whole no less than the scum from NG and PS.

      What the hell? All conscripts also offer to solve? Or do not know how there in the ATO, most people are being called on?fool
      1. severniy
        severniy 11 November 2015 23: 30
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: mamont5
        And the Armed Forces of Ukraine blame the tragedy of LDNR and Ukraine as a whole no less than the scum from NG and PS.

        What the hell? All conscripts also offer to solve? Or do not know how there in the ATO, most people are being called on?fool

        Yes, they s..at, here they are stubborn, as a rule not having any kindred or friendly ties on the territory of Ukraine. argue with them, it's more expensive ...
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 11 November 2015 15: 13
    +1
    I hope the "driving" was mamchur.
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 11 November 2015 15: 18
    +1
    Quote: gladysheff2010
    The Russian soldier, especially the officer, has always been characterized by generosity, compassion and mercy, regardless of ranks and titles, so let's continue the traditions of the Russian Host - we will not dance on the coffins of our enemies, remember that a heart beats under each uniform. war victims to this information, these are different things! Well, we, all-not "Euro-girls", chasing cheap popularity, it's me about earning plus signs. And the boy's a pity!hi

    The same brainless people are still kharachat in Donetsk and do not think where they will go. To feel sorry for such a thing?
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 11 November 2015 15: 19
    0
    The Ukrainian rook is a rare endangered "bird"; not only are there almost none of them, the rest of them fall. It's time to enter into the red book ...
    As for the pilot: no one in the Russian Federation is happy about the deaths of Ukrainians and we don’t need to become like our western neighbors with the capital in Kiev, craving for our misfortunes and deaths. God will judge everyone and each in his own way ....
  • Maks-80
    Maks-80 11 November 2015 15: 27
    +2
    The air conditioner exploded.
  • engineer74
    engineer74 11 November 2015 15: 40
    +1
    On the one hand, the kid is sorry, on the other, a potential war criminal, so think!
  • Chulman
    Chulman 11 November 2015 15: 57
    0
    Quote: Varyag_1973
    For Baikonur. Come on straight to the "censor"! The death of the enemy, and even along with the car, is tens, if not hundreds, of lives saved!

    I support 100% !!!!!!!
  • Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 11 November 2015 16: 19
    +1
    One enemy and less combat vehicle!
  • zinander
    zinander 11 November 2015 16: 23
    +3
    And for some reason I don’t feel sorry, I tried to regret it, but it doesn’t work. I will not gloat but also mourn too. He is one of those who ... with all the consequences.
  • gomer
    gomer 11 November 2015 16: 48
    +3
    That's it. Not gloating, but people in the Donbass will be more whole.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 11 November 2015 17: 23
    +2
    Over the Donbass one less will have to shoot down. Colleagues who keenly sympathize with the deceased pilot and the Ukrainian Air Force as a whole - remember why these planes are being trained, whom they will bomb and kill. And it is not necessary to say - "in a war - it's a completely different matter!" An enemy corpse always smells good, period.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 11 November 2015 17: 30
    +3
    Quote: severniy
    Would you tell mothers in the eyes?

    Hey, you are our merciful, you have already raised the dampness here, sorry for the boy, of course "onizhedeti", so go to these innocent people and repent, ask for forgiveness, jump with them, since you are so compassionate.
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 11 November 2015 23: 20
      0
      In the courtyard of the Voronovs' house in Shakhtyorsk, a projectile fell. The worst blow was taken by the younger brother of Vanya, 5-year-old Artyom and the head of the family. They did not survive. 9-year-old Ivan tore off both legs, his right arm and severely injured his eyes! The shell was sent by an ARTILLERIST on the orders of the COOMANDER!
      A MILITARY PILOT, KNOWING THAT AT ANY MINUTE MAY BE SENT TO KILL CHILDREN (and fly !!!) SHOULD LEAVE TO WORK AS A JANISHER OR SHEPHERD! THREE THOSE THE SAME AS HE FASISISTS BEATED ABOUT DONBASS !!!!
      I am painfully SORRY for Vanya and not a bit sorry for the potential KILLER-fascist!
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. severniy
      severniy 11 November 2015 23: 36
      -4
      Quote: Alget87
      Quote: severniy
      Would you tell mothers in the eyes?

      Hey, you are our merciful, you have already raised the dampness here, sorry for the boy, of course "onizhedeti", so go to these innocent people and repent, ask for forgiveness, jump with them, since you are so compassionate.

      I don’t hear you .., stump. I don’t drink brudershaft with cattle .., time
      two I am Russian, 42 years old, born in Odessa, married in a zapadenka, as they call it, and I have my own vision of the situation.
      and not your strength to change it ..
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 11 November 2015 17: 36
    +5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    What the hell? All conscripts also offer to solve?

    Who took up arms, and did not slope and did not scatter in different directions, then yes, but what did the liverman send them and a barrel of jam?
  • demandy1
    demandy1 11 November 2015 17: 45
    +1
    The flyer is sorry, but he chose the profession himself. True, he thought that he would fly on airplanes, and not on cans. Dead from old age is their fart carpet.