Sukhoi will supply China with X-NUMX aircraft Be-13

Aviation Enterprise "Swan General Aviation Co. Ltd. ”(China) has signed a contract with Sukhoi for the purchase of 13-ti sets of Be-103 amphibious aircraft, head of the Chinese enterprise Li Dongfang said in Khabarovsk.

“The contract stipulates the supply of 13 aircraft. In the future we plan to purchase more 10. We also purchase a license from the company "Sukhoi". Aircraft production will be organized at the air force in Harbin ", - newspaper quotes Dongfang MIC.

“The signed contract is another step towards expanding cooperation between the Russian Federation and China in the aircraft industry,” said Vladimir Prisyazhnyuk, deputy general director of the Sukhoi company. - Delivery of airplane kits is scheduled for spring 2016, the transportation will be carried out by water transport. The assembly will be held in Harbin. "

The cost of the contract is not disclosed.

Comments

[cniza]

A good order, and the equipment is even better. Successes.

[Starover_Z]

Handsome man! I have not seen such.
The case and the float at the same time - an original solution! (Perhaps only for me, well then).
But still beautiful! For his "First Aid", to Siberia!

[Temples]

For his "First Aid", to Siberia!

I won’t be surprised if in the future, medical officials will buy it Harbin.
The more difficult the monetary path, the easier it is to hide the rollback.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Starover_Z

For his "First Aid", to Siberia!

Alas, seven years ago an experimental batch was purchased, and that’s all. I need to ask Sergey Bongo, maybe there were more orders for him.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Starover_Z

Handsome man! I have not seen such.

... in fact, according to many who know, this “wet-wing” seaplane is not a good design!
It takes a lot of fuel and time to separate the wing from the water.

Be-103 was created as a research one, specifically to study issues of gliding and separation of surfaces from water.

Here is La Xnumx and his followers,
decent car in every way

[dauria]

... in fact, according to many who know, this “wet-wing” seaplane is not a good design!

This machine is a prototype of the layout of aircraft with a mass of over 500 tons !!!! It is not entirely correct to cite the classic hydro-pygalitz as an example. Constructors investigated features exit to planing and the screen effect of a wide center section.

[Buffalo]

Lukhovitsky machine-building plant rivets, Moscow region

[gjv]

Quote: Starover_Z

The case and the float at the same time - an original solution! (Perhaps only for me, well then).

Still, the hull is a boat, an amphibious boat, with a wheeled chassis allowing for ashore and land operation. Two float compartments in SCHK and on 5 compartments in two BChK.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: Starover_Z

Handsome man! I have not seen such.

Really BEAUTIFUL !!! I love amphibious aircraft ...

[Tor5]

I would like to believe that we will not only buy rags and toys from China.

[iConst]

Quote: Tor5

I would like to believe that we will not only buy rags and toys from China.

- Nafig! Rags and toys are better than planes and ships.
Not very happy that they will be assembled in China. Those. and technology will be at least partially transferred to these cunning guys.

[PAM]

in a year there will appear a copy with the abbreviation of type SH -... and they will declare their own development

[Samaritan]

US Be 200 buy, China Be 103 ...
maybe then they will go to the Russian Federation, another photo:

[starshina78]

Chicken! How to drink give a copy!

[Corsair0304]

I am glad that our civilian products are in demand abroad. A bit of history:
“During the design process, the appearance of the aircraft changed several times. A single-engine version was also worked out, but finally stopped on two engines, since the aircraft had to meet the requirements of the Russian aviation rules AP-23 and the standards of the US aviation registry. Two M-17 engines were located on pylons in the rear of the fuselage.In the cabin there was a pilot and five passengers, as well as a luggage compartment.In the sanitary version - two patients on a stretcher and an accompanying medical worker. On December 26, 2001, the Be-103 received a certificate of airworthiness.

[FID]

Pleases ??? And where are the orders from the relevant organizations ??? We do NOT need these aircraft ??? Why then is the Beriev Design Bureau generally located in Russia ???

[Maxom75]

I don’t get it either. We need such airplanes, but buy Canadian. Austrian, American. we know how to do it ourselves, and officials of their manufacturers do not value it. By the way, water "airfields" of rivers, lakes, reservoirs and seas do not need to be built in abundance with us, but the benefits are direct. It’s just that in the country as I said earlier, values ​​must be changed from money to the life and well-being of each person, then we will flourish. Plus to you, you are 100% right.

[Windy]

Quote: Maxom75

Us such planes are more needed, but Canadian ones buy. Austrian

Could you be more specific about Austrian amphibians or seaplanes, and even purchased by Russia?

[Maxom75]

I’m talking about all the planes, not only hydroplanes, I meant small aircraft. This is a lot of roads to us in the European part of Russia, but in Siberia and the Far East? There are no planes or helicopters in any way. So instead of Ansatov, Rosneft buys 160pcs. AW189, and then asks for money from the NSF of Russia for development. Is it all we have to chip in for Rosneft to fly Italian helicopters? I am against, and you?

More details: http://www.mt5.com/en/prime_news/fullview/13665-rosneft_kupit_160_italyanskih_ve
rtoletov_modeli_aw189 /

[DenZ]

Something was wrong with the Berievsky Design Bureau. The Be-200 didn’t deliver several pieces for the Ministry of Emergencies. What are they doing there at all? Question.

[Coconut Tima]

Quote: DenZ

The Be-200 didn’t deliver several pieces for the Ministry of Emergencies.

The power plant includes two double-circuit turbojet engines D-436TP (Ukraine)

[DenZ]

The power plant includes two double-circuit turbojet engines D-436TP (Ukraine)

Clear. Thanks for the clarification. We are waiting for import substitution.

[gjv]

Quote: DenZ

The Be-200 didn’t deliver several pieces for the Ministry of Emergencies.

Quote: coconut tim

(Ukraine)

In this regard, the Emergencies Ministry last year tried to get a penalty in almost 430 million rubles, but the court of first instance reduced its size to 261,7 million. In the case before the court of arbitration, the claim was refused for the traditional reason. This happened, among other things, due to the presentation of additional requirements by the Emergencies Ministry, which were not initially considered in the technical building and changed the standard design of the aircraft: upgrading the engine, replacing the auxiliary power unit ATU TA-12-60 to ATU TA-18- 100, transfer of sensors SDG-02A to other places, replacement in the hydraulic system, development of sets of operating and technical and repair documentation, execution of glazing of external lighting equipment of the airframe from silicate glass, and not installation of a satellite navigation system with a functional complement, painting the controls in the cockpit in different colors according to the systems, which is associated with the manufacture of new versions of PKI and their certification, and the movement of backup instruments in the cockpit above the MFI. The total number of comments was 184, they were developed on the basis of the operating experience of the Be-200ES aircraft of the first series by the EMERCOM units.
Then traditional manual control worked again - the President intervened. In November, an order was signed, amending 2011. on the definition of TANTK sole performer of the state contract. According to him, the terms of the state contract were extended for three years - until 2018. Despite this, in March of this year, the Ministry of Emergency Situations again tried to sue the penalty of 266 million, but this was denied because the relevant changes were made to the state contract.

[gjv]

Quote: DenZ

The Be-200 didn’t deliver several pieces for the Ministry of Emergencies.

Quote: coconut tim

(Ukraine)

Quote: gjv

the state contract was amended accordingly.

In the course of the consideration of the claim, now from TANTK to the Ministry of Emergency Situations on June 19, the Moscow Arbitration Court decided to add it to the state contract of May 25, 2011. changes with the establishment of the following delivery dates:

In pre-trial procedure, the Ministry of Emergencies refused to agree on the specified schedule of supplies. At the same time, the amounts of funds necessary to fulfill the contract were distributed by Order of the Government of the Russian Federation dated February 19.02.2015, 268 No. 2018-r until the end of 200. In addition, at a meeting on the implementation of the state contract for the supply of six Be-23.03.2015ES amphibious aircraft held on March 30.11.2018, 20.02.2012 , it was also approved the signing of an additional agreement on the extension of the contract until 31.12.2015 with a suspensive condition regarding its entry into force if there is a bank guarantee extended for the same period. The guarantee, originally issued by TANTK on February 31.03.2015, 3 for a period until December 23.03.2015, 30.11.2018, was extended for another three years on March XNUMX, XNUMX. By an additional agreement No. XNUMX dated XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the contract was amended - the deadline for the termination of the contract is the date XNUMX.

[vladimir_krm]

It’s piston, and aviation gasoline in the Russian Federation has long been a problem, because of this, even the An-2s are being remotorized, as many as three options already, at least. Is it necessary to revive the gas supply structure throughout the vast country if kerosene is not a problem? I do not know.

In addition, the engines - American, on-board equipment - also the famous Bendix ...

[gjv]

Quote: vladimir_krm

and aviation gasoline in the Russian Federation

Exactly. The flight manual requires filling with AVGAS 100 gasoline.

[Buffalo]

Not to fat! The challenge is the survival of aircraft factories and design bureau, in the absence of a sufficient number of government orders. Therefore, all means are good.

[AbacUssR]

Duc for Design Bureau Beriev, hidroplany is a hobby. Money or attempts to earn it are carried out on other devices.

[bmv04636]

Not with such an engine we have no fuel for it.
The propulsion system of the aircraft consists of two TCM IO-360ES4 six-cylinder air-cooled piston engines manufactured by the Teledyne Continental Motors Aircraft Product (USA), with variable-pitch three-blade reversible propellers MTV-12-DCFR (M) / CFR183-17C from the company "MT-Propeller GmbH" (Germany).

[Wedmak]

Choi that the Chinese moved away from their Xerox? Such a simple airplane to copy too lazy.

[rotmistr60]

It just is not needed in mass production. And for specific needs, you can buy, especially the manufacturer is at hand.

[igor1981]

That’s it, now the Chinese will change the appearance of the window in the cockpit and, under some name, will begin to produce an “absolutely self-developed” aircraft.

[Fregate]

They will not change anything. The article also says that they are buying a license.

[iliitchitch]

The Chinese LICENSE. Either their conscience appeared ( ), or we wiser. In general, the news pleased.

[sanain]

It would be better if you were not happy, they will first buy 23 aircraft, and then the license, where is the guarantee that they will not concoct their clone in previous lots?
As for me, it’s better to wait until the PRC really buys a license, and then well done.

Although the news is undoubtedly pleasing, but considering how well we know the Chinese, it is better to hold horses.

[Manul]

And when will we produce the Be-200 for ourselves in the proper amount? As the summer season begins, so immediately the forests burn, the taiga burns, but there is nothing to put out. I don’t understand anything - there are enough capacities to build the Chinese, and to put things in order - is something stopping all the time?

[madjik]

cash customers are needed. no one will work for free.

[DenZ]

cash customers are needed. no one will work for free

EMERCOM than not a money customer for KB Beriev? So the Beria’s cannot for them the Be-200 to finish the party for several years.

[Voha_krim]

I do not understand, where does Dry? And where is the Beriev Design Bureau?

[NordUral]

I agree with you. I read and think that everything is wrong with us. “Dry” crushed everything that he could for himself. And this is wrong. Under Stalin, a lot of design bureaus worked, and therefore the planes turned out to be good.

[vladimir_krm]

Because it is produced at KNAAPO (as needed).

[gjv]

Quote: vladimir_krm

on KNAAPO (as required).

+ However, read - from case to case. And the Russian budget is being stolen without building aircraft. And somewhere they really need. Officials, huh ?!

[uav80]

The main shareholders of the enterprise: NPK Irkut (39,6%), OJSC Aviation Holding Company Sukhoi (38%)

[Buffalo]

Beriev ... Poghosyan and Co. bought everything for a long time.

[FID]

Quote: Voha_krim

I do not understand, where does Dry? And where is the Beriev Design Bureau?

KNAAPO produces, and this is Sukhoi ...

[sa-zz]

Considering the experience of previous copies of Russian aircraft, we decided to buy a license and calmly assemble our own 名词〕 水陆两用 水陆两用 according to off documentation, install a couple of machine guns and go ahead to patrol the artificial islands.

[polkovnik manuch]

You don’t understand whether to rejoice or whether to be upset. The Chinese guys are cunning, at once copy!

[NordUral]

Why rejoice then? Such aircraft are needed primarily by our country. And that - well, shareholders will fill their pockets, but what do we need? Yes, the Chinese will establish a serial production, no one will doubt it, and they will offer us a wretched mind.

[sa-zz]

I’m traveling in a minibus, I’m sitting near a window, a Chinese man sat nearby, I’m in a good mood, I decided to pin up: at my stop I say:
- I go out, yours is mine!
He is in pure Russian:
- Come here all sorts.

[vell.65]

Quote: cniza

A good order, and the equipment is even better. Successes.

Chinese officials will not fly at them for hunting and fishing?

[NordUral]

A couple of times they can, but not more. These are those who are not afraid to play Russian roulette.

[Hyppopotut]

But I don’t understand why the supply is carried out by Sukhoi.
Do we have other aircraft factories left? In my opinion, dry orders for my equipment are up to the mark. Or was another monster born in our country that crushed the entire aircraft industry?

[NordUral]

This is not a question, this is a fact, and sad for the country.

[gjv]

The Be-103 multipurpose amphibious aircraft has its customers and is mass-produced at Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association. In 2003, 3 aircraft were delivered to the USA.
Such "up to the neck" seriality!

[Mercenary]

In fact, the entire series of BUs were made in Taganrog, which side is Sukhoi to them, is it not clear? He (Sukhoi), striving for a clear monopoly, has already crushed Tupolev (Superjet), I am generally silent about MIG fighters. Where does the FAS look? No need to give loans to restore production in Taganrog, everyone would be well!
Monopoly is STagnation!

[askort154]

Judging by the photo, even small sea waves cannot be "mastered" by him. Apply in calm, or on rivers and lakes. Calm sea is rare. But for flights on a sanitary assignment or fishing on Siberian rivers and lakes, just right.

[rudolff]

Why low wing? And if the pilot turns out to be nervous and turns the steering wheel a little unnecessarily, or an unexpected obstacle in the way of moving on water (logs are a swimmer, a beacon, a boulder in shallow water) and you have to lay a sharp bend, or the wind will drive a side wave ..? After all, scooping a wing is easy. Isn't a classic high-wing plan better for a seaplane? You won’t burrow a wing, engines do not need separate pylons on the fuselage, and indeed are more foolproof.

[dauria]

Why low wing?

This Be-103 airplane was conceived as a flying model for testing the aero-hydrodynamic layout of super-heavy vehicles weighing more than 500 tons. Really handsome. Hey, ekranoplan fans, where did you go when you are needed? Here is a real literate embodiment of the Alekseevskaya idea, really come in handy. The center section on takeoff and landing works in screen mode. Oh, sorry for the full-size cars did not reach.

[dauria]

Oh, if Rostislav Evgenievich Alekseev would do just that. But no, he always needed a screen flight, and not just on take-off and landing ....

And about

After all, scooping a wing is easy.

don’t worry, there is a "reverse gull", the consoles are raised

[gjv]

Quote: rudolff

Why low wing? And if ... the wind will drive the side wave ..?

Quote: Rostov-Dad

cool airplane layout

Here the simultaneous combination is a flying boat, amphibian and glider in one "face".
However, the result is not impressive. Seaworthiness is only 2 points (wave 0,5 m, wind 10 m / s), including mooring at anchorage. And this is in the presence of float sections in the SCHK. And the second pilot / passenger is required for flight and planing, or a mandatory ballast on the seat next to the pilot. Gliding m. and shortens the run and run lengths a little, but as a result - for calm water.
In this case, there are significant disadvantages:
safe take-off in the event of a single engine failure is not possible (see flight accident at Khabarovsk Air Force Base in 2006),
a flight with three passengers (out of five possible) on one engine is possible only with a decrease,
starting engines afloat is problematic - an airplane with one engine running on the MG spontaneously describes the circulation,
due to the shape of the cockpit glazing, there are no “wipers” on the plane, which is unacceptable for a seaplane,
aircraft engines operate only on expensive imported gasoline (AVGAS 100), not produced in the Russian Federation.

[rudolff]

In addition to the aforementioned accident near Khabarovsk in July 2006, two more aircraft crashed before being launched into the series. In August 97th and in April 99th.

[rostov-dad]

cool airplane layout

[31rus]

Here, here we’ll sell everything, to the screw, to the last drop of oil and at the same time we shout cheers is the same money, but where are the brains?

[Fitter65]

And today, even the unpainted SuperJet flew around. Then a couple more Su-35 unpainted flew ....

[gjv]

Quote: Fitter65

And today, the unpainted SuperJet flew around

Iponians today launched in flight a competitor to “our” Superjet.

The first flight prototype of the Japanese regional passenger aircraft MRJ (Mitsubishi Regional Jet) (registration JA21MJ) in the first flight. Komaki (Nagoya), 11.11.2015 (c) Naoya Osato / AP

Competition is growing. Will the GSS withstand dependence on imports?

[Engineer]

I will be glad when this miracle takes off, and not with the Pinnda engines like the Be-103, but with the chic D-27

[divangeneral]

Quote: cniza

A good order, and the equipment is even better. Successes.

I don’t understand, why are you even happy?
or do you have fragmented thinking?
it says "we also acquire a license from the Sukhoi company. Aircraft production will be organized at the aviation association in Harbin"
do you understand what that means?
the Chinese will rivet these beshs themselves, but cheaper than Dry. and knock Sukhoi out of the market
such a sale of PRC technology is a drain of its own production.

[avt]

Quote: divangeneral

the Chinese will rivet these beshs themselves, but cheaper than Dry. and knock Sukhoi out of the market

What actually they have already done with the permission to supply their replica An-24/26 to Russia, well, the passenger version.

Quote: Mercenary

In fact, the entire series of BUs were made in Taganrog, which side of them was Sukhoi, is it not clear? He (Sukhoi), striving for a clear monopoly, has already crushed Tupolev (Superjet), I am generally silent about MIG fighters.

STRONG! ??? Yes, you have missed a lot in life since the organization of the KLA and the subsidiary of the Po-GSS family.

Quote: Engineer

I will be glad when this miracle takes off, and not with the Pinnda engines like the Be-103, but with the chic D-27

Well, judging by the state of the Taganrog plant, then you are sad and sad.

[chunga-changa]

Yeah, twenty pieces and a license. Well, at least something. There used to be two and pirated reproduction. Although it is possible that after the license they will slightly redo the project and begin the production of "domestic development".

[lazy]

a small plane ditched 2 crews during the test period. an attempt to sell to the states failed (they were bought but did not go), since they are more expensive than American floaters. not a specialist to evaluate his success, but I do not like. That's a pity for the su-80, especially since there is nothing domestic in that class

[NIKNN]

Quote: rudolff
Why low wing? And if ... the wind will drive the side wave ..?

Takeoff direction against the wind. it's water