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Officials are cautiously preparing society for the fact that the cause of the fall of the Russian Airbus-321 over Sinai was a bomb. And now the main question - what to do next?

Every day more and more statements appear in the world media that the incident with the Russian airliner should be interpreted as a terrorist act. The last of the sinks was issued by Reuters, referring to an anonymous representative of the Egyptian commission to investigate the incident, it reported that the 90% commission was confident that there was a bomb on board. And if the cause of the tragedy really became the actions of the attackers, then immediately the question arises what to do with them.

It is clear that the perpetrators were local terrorists (the so-called "Sinai branch" of the IG took responsibility for the attack). Confused, however, that the militants refused to say exactly how they allegedly blew up the plane. “We are the ones who, with God's help, shot him down. And by the will of Allah, we will say how they did it at the time when we consider it necessary, ”the message of the terrorists says.

Officially, Russia cannot punish these militants - they are neither in its territory nor in the territory where Russian videoconferencing systems operate. Their leaders can only be shot down (as the Israelis did during the operation “God's Wrath”, thus punishing the organizers of the Munich attacks), or, in agreement with the Egyptian troops, inflict a one-time large-scale air strike on their camps in Sinai. There is no sense in Russia engaging fully in the antiterrorist operation in Egypt. Especially for the elimination of pawns. After all, there are no doubts that behind the terrorist act (if it took place) there are much more influential forces than the Sinai smugglers. The question is who exactly.

Now the Russian special services will try to find out whether their colleagues from the departments of unfriendly states stand behind the incident. Since it is obvious that the attack is directly related to the Russian operation in Syria, the organizers should be those who are not happy with this operation, whom it hinders much. If we look at the situation from this point of view, then all the hints that the explosion was organized by Western intelligence agencies look untenable. From a strategic point of view, Europe and the United States benefit from the Russian military presence in Syria agreed with them, since it solves their problems. If now between Bashar Assad and the secular opposition a political compromise suits the United States, if Moscow gets bogged down in Syrian affairs, then in Washington they will be satisfied. The organized attack could lead to a sharp aggravation of Russian-American relations and to Obama being drawn into a conflict with Moscow that he does not need.

The two powers are unhappy: Turkey and Saudi Arabia. However, the chances that the Turkish authorities are behind the terrorist attacks tend to zero. The times when Turkey supported the North Caucasus terrorists have already passed. Now Turkey and Russia have very pragmatic relations tied to economic cooperation, and Erdogan will not put them at risk.

But the Saudi version looks more interesting. The Russian operation in Syria was an image attack on Saudi interests and rocket-bombing on Saudi clients in the region. Expert Online has already written that now you can expect all sorts of steps to sabotage the Syrian settlement process from Riyadh.

Yes, the explosion of the Syrian aircraft seems to be a step, to put it mildly, excessive. After all, Riyadh is not interested in a cardinal exacerbation of relations with Russia - it needs Moscow as a kind of regional counterweight to Iran, a supplier of cheap, reliable and understandable in operation weapons for saudi satellites in the region. And yes, Saudi Arabia is an opponent of the IG, which means, it would seem, the groups associated with the IG in the region. However, firstly, the latter is an extremely serious simplification. The same al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, which has long been operating in Yemen under the franchise of the Islamic State, works closely with Saudi Arabia in the fight against the Houthis, and even took control of the capital, Aden. Secondly — and this is more important — there is no “collective Saudi Arabia.” There are a huge number of clans in the country, which have their own interests and opportunities to realize these interests in various ways. And for some of them, Russia's revenge for saving the regime of Bashar Assad is more important than creating a strategic deterrent system for Iran. Yes, and in the attacks against Russia, Saudi Arabia is not suspected for the first time - according to some experts, it was Riyadh that was behind the bombings in Volgograd on the eve of the Sochi Olympics.

If the terrorist act really finds a Saudi trace, then the question immediately arises of what should be the response of Russia. And here, of course, you need to refrain from direct aggressive steps like sending fleet to the Persian Gulf. Any direct aggressive actions against Riyadh will cause a serious aggravation of relations with Washington, and will destroy the fragile US-Russian compromise on the Syrian issue. Much more effective (both from the point of view of Russian interests and from the point of view of consequences for Saudi Arabia), other actions look, albeit less noticeable, requiring revenge on the Russian public. For example, the legitimization of Yemeni rebels fighting against Saudi Arabia (who have all the military capabilities for regular raids on Saudi territory and lack only diplomatic support) or joint Russian-Iranian regional initiatives against the interests of the Kingdom.

In any case, for this kind of accusations and / or retaliatory steps, a clear understanding is needed of who organized the attack and why. Indeed, in addition to explicit candidates for this role, there are also implicit ones - for example, the same Qatar. Judging by the current actions of Moscow, she has not yet found the culprit.
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  1. the most important
    the most important 11 November 2015 14: 33 New
    30
    1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 November 2015 14: 38 New
      20
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!



      It’s possible, of course, but it’s important, but the main thing is to establish the customer exactly who financed how and who performed and in this order send to the Almighty.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 14: 41 New
        13
        After realizing that it was a terrorist attack, all previous articles about various versions of technical failures turn into a farce.
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 11 November 2015 14: 59 New
          18
          Who is to blame will find this is understandable, but much more important is another. What to do? The answer is to learn from experience.
          Airlines of all countries of the world are faced with the problem of terrorism. Except for one, the Israelis will never let a terrorist aboard.

          Infa from open sources, about one Israeli airline:
          On board
          At least one plainclothes aviation security officer is known to be on board each aircraft during the flight (at least 787 for XNUMX employees). All employees have weapons hidden under their clothes. All agents come from special forces units. Most pilots in the past are Israeli Air Force pilots. In addition, the entire aircraft crew undergoes a hand-to-hand combat course and contingency courses in case of a terrorist attack.
          In all airline liners, the crew cabin is separated from the passenger compartment by double doors with a combination lock. The second door will open only when the first is closed and the incoming will be identified by the captain or co-pilot.
          The luggage compartment is separated from the passenger by a reinforced steel floor, in case of explosion.

          On the ground
          Passengers are checked by a special aviation security service that takes special courses.
          All baggage must be seen through by the security service before being allowed to board. So, for example, at the Domodedovo airport in Moscow, after checking, all passengers expect to board a flight in a special “sterile” (separate from other passengers) area - the landing area (exit No. 13) is separated by a glass railing and the entrance there is strictly based on boarding tickets for the flight. Non-Israeli passengers undergo a particularly rigorous screening process.

          And in principle, you try being on the ground, approach the Israeli liner, they will not let you go for a kilometer.

          PS
          So, the useful experience must be adopted. It is important to work on bugs to prevent this from happening. If Israel was able to protect its passengers, then we can.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 11 November 2015 15: 05 New
            10
            It’s not about the service and the safety system of air travel! The attack can be done anywhere!
            Here we are talking about what Kozma Prutkov said: "See the root!"
            If the root is alive, then the leaves will grow when fed through the roots!
            How to destroy the root? - that is the question!
            And the puffed pride of the Israelites for their MO, Сintelligence services Сsafety concerns are already nBPate!
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 11 November 2015 15: 08 New
              11
              Quote: Baikonur
              It's not about the service and security system of the airline!

              I do not agree.
              How many times has I been at the airport of Sharm el-Sheikh - this is such a mess (if not to say even worse).
              1. severniy
                severniy 11 November 2015 15: 46 New
                +9
                The author, as it were, emphasizes that the guilty party has not yet been appointed, but already describes plans for revenge on Riyadh ....
                Something premature ... IMHO of course
                1. meridbt
                  meridbt 11 November 2015 16: 01 New
                  +2
                  I also can’t get rid of the feeling that the author of the article gently but adamantly appoints whom Moscow should take revenge on.
                2. igorka357
                  igorka357 12 November 2015 04: 08 New
                  0
                  Yes, he generally started for health and finished .... then the authorities are preparing .. and by the end he didn’t seem to deny that it was a terrorist attack ... and Riyadh sentenced him to be sure ...!
            2. marinier
              marinier 11 November 2015 15: 56 New
              +9
              Good time of the day!
              You don’t write anymore. It’s difficult to object to you, but
              about koren pitaushiy terrorism. Kalenom Zelez vyzigat
              it’s filthy, and let the salt fall asleep so that it doesn’t grow.

              with respect
            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 12 November 2015 07: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Baikonur
              And the puffed up pride of the Israelis for their Defense Forces, the Security Services of Super-Security is already fed up!

              Are Israeli special services pestering you? - so there is the FSB. A good borrow is harmless.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 11 November 2015 15: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            At least one plainclothes officer

            So what? these people will save maybe, from hijacking an aircraft or will ensure the calm of passengers in the presence of a violent idiot in the cabin. They will not save from a bomb in any way. It follows from this that it is necessary to work on the earth! I think so!
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 11 November 2015 18: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: Hedgehog
              It follows from this that it is necessary to work on the earth! I think so!

              It follows from this that work is necessary everywhere. The Israelis carry out very careful work on earth, as I wrote above.
              Quote: Hedgehog
              provide peace of mind in the presence of a violent idiot in the cabin.

              Violent, in the cabin of an Israeli airline, will be quickly reassured by any stewardess.
          3. Jackyun
            Jackyun 11 November 2015 15: 55 New
            +5
            Nowhere, no one ever checks baggage immediately before loading it on board. Before loading and, accordingly, after checking (albeit very thorough), the luggage is in a special room. A peculiar analogue of the sterile area for passengers. Certain staff have access to this room. Thus, the agent (s), who became employees of the airport and received quite official access to this zone, may well put the bomb in the baggage that has already been inspected. There are no checks directly when loading into the luggage compartment of the aircraft. All! Babah!
            Everyone who has been to Egypt knows what mess they have at airports. And therefore, the described option does not seem fantastic.
          4. dr. sem
            dr. sem 11 November 2015 17: 01 New
            +2
            If the "special services" on board the flying side begin their "work" - this means the failure of all the work ... It’s too late to do anything in the sky ... Everything is being done on earth.
          5. igorka357
            igorka357 12 November 2015 04: 06 New
            +1
            Half of the facts are like people with a gun or steel floor, or double doors ... it all matters zero when a bomb hits a plane! The main barrier should be on the ground!
          6. Lexa-149
            Lexa-149 13 November 2015 01: 32 New
            -1
            And you did not think that the one who serves the aircraft and conducts its pre-flight training can become a terrorist?
        2. iliya87
          iliya87 11 November 2015 15: 18 New
          +1
          We need to wait for the official result. Of course, I am not a professional, but something was not visible traces of at least some striking elements on the less surviving parts of the fuselage. Although this of course does not prove that there could be no terrorist attack - it was not only a bomb that could be.
          1. severniy
            severniy 11 November 2015 15: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: iliya87
            We need to wait for the official result. Of course, I am not a professional, but something was not visible traces of at least some striking elements on the less surviving parts of the fuselage. Although this of course does not prove that there could be no terrorist attack - it was not only a bomb that could be.

            Somewhere there was infa about foreign particles in the bodies of passengers ....
          2. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 11 November 2015 15: 53 New
            +1
            And here is a simple bomb without explosives ... an oxygen cylinder (smaller in size) is loaded, plus a simple mechanism, plus a pressure gauge .... the plane reaches a given height, the pressure gauge reacts, a cylinder opens, plus a drop of oil .... that's it And no traces of explosives ..... THIS IS SO AT A DISCOUNT .... AND I THINK ANOTHER MORE WAYS THERE ARE ...
          3. shuhartred
            shuhartred 11 November 2015 17: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: iliya87
            Of course, I am not a professional, but something was not visible traces of at least some striking elements on the less surviving parts of the fuselage.

            Just a bomb, shellless. Extremely high explosive impact, with sufficient high-explosive power, any aircraft will have enough and almost no traces. But still, let's wait for the official results of the investigation and we will not appoint the perpetrators, as the West did in dealing with the Malaysian Boeing.
          4. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 11 November 2015 20: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: iliya87
            We need to wait for the official result.

            there are all kinds of official results request
            Fake about the cap with the most important passenger
            a disgrace to our news channels
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 12 November 2015 04: 18 New
              0
              It is very sad and sad that the innocent deceased young child is used for their own selfish purposes ... all those involved will be rewarded according to their merits!
        3. dr. sem
          dr. sem 11 November 2015 17: 03 New
          0
          Here is the plus. So it’s a pretty decent idea, and finish the “quote” and troll ...
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 11 November 2015 14: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        It’s possible, of course, but it’s important, but the main thing is to establish the customer exactly who financed how and who performed and in this order send to the Almighty.

        And what, it is absolutely certain that this was a terrorist attack?
        1. cniza
          cniza 11 November 2015 14: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: GRAY

          And what, it is absolutely certain that this was a terrorist attack?


          Some well-known and respected experts are already calling the customer, but no one has officially recognized yet, you are right.
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        3. tomket
          tomket 11 November 2015 15: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: GRAY
          And what, it is absolutely certain that this was a terrorist attack?

          Evgeny Satanovsky has already voiced the name of the likely customer, and he was not Saud. Only Qatar Russia is unlikely to be, despite the fact that the customer was not some sort of "bearded barmaley" but a completely civil servant ....
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 11 November 2015 16: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            Evgeny Satanovsky has already voiced the name of the likely customer, and he was not Saud. Only Qatar Russia is unlikely to be, despite the fact that the customer was not some sort of "bearded barmaley" but a completely civil servant ....

            The keyword is "probable." I understand that the special services began to proactively search for the ends without waiting for the final conclusion of the experts, but I also understand that they, at the same time, do not report to Mr. Satanovsky and his colleagues about their achievements.
        4. dr. sem
          dr. sem 11 November 2015 17: 06 New
          0
          No. What do you. A bird crashed an airplane 8000 km above the ground ...
      3. Good me
        Good me 11 November 2015 15: 09 New
        +7
        Officials are cautiously preparing the public for the fact that the cause of the fall of the Russian Airbus-321 over Sinai was a bomb.


        Why so caution? Afraid of indignation that: "Is it because of Syria?"

        Yes, a big "storm of indignation" would be if the tail of A 321 "fell off by itself" ...

        Terrorism is the evil that our society has long hated and despised ...


        In vain, the Kremlin is being reinsured ... In the eradication of terrorism, we will support any actions, any decisions.

        How bad, it turns out, the "top" know their people ...
        1. Kindof
          Kindof 12 November 2015 01: 31 New
          0
          It is not necessary to go to extremes.
          How will we, people, support any action, any decision? 224 lives?
          20 million?
          Civilians should not suffer losses.
          For war, professionals and strong rear areas are needed.
          The terrorist response could and should have been predicted.
          Moreover, both the P. Endos and the Saudis openly declared that the planes would fall.
          Moreover, our people flew from the territory where the radical Islamists guerrilla.
          Cancellation of tours to Egypt did not fit into someone’s business plan?
          1. igorka357
            igorka357 12 November 2015 04: 24 New
            -1
            If the time comes and we support 20 million! And remember ... Russia has never had a peaceful time, someone is always trying to destroy our Homeland, to belittle ...
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 12 November 2015 04: 21 New
          -1
          It’s true that it’s just the liberoid mass that will start shouting ... and the normal Russian people will say ... hollow them Vova even more, more and more, for all the innocent victims!
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 12 November 2015 07: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Good I
          How bad, it turns out, the "top" know their people ...

          Well, it seems to one that "Officials are carefully preparing the society ...", and you have already picked up and accuse the "top" of ignorance of their people! What are your personal reasons?
      4. volot-voin
        volot-voin 11 November 2015 15: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: cniza
        It’s possible, of course, but it’s important, but the main thing is to establish the customer exactly who financed how and who performed and in this order send to the Almighty.

        If it is impossible to punish officially, then it is necessary informally, so that it would not be common to arrange such things.
      5. Maxom75
        Maxom75 11 November 2015 15: 45 New
        0
        And what to look for them? ISIS sponsor Qatar, Al Qaeda sponsor Saudi Arabia. Both that and the other country should be wiped off the face of the earth for a long time, can Russia do it? In theory, yes, in practice, no - the Americans will not.
      6. dr. sem
        dr. sem 11 November 2015 16: 57 New
        -1
        send to the Almighty for trial through DYBU ... or draw the veins for several days ...
      7. avdkrd
        avdkrd 11 November 2015 17: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        It’s possible, of course, but it’s important, but the main thing is to establish the customer exactly who financed how and who performed and in this order send to the Almighty.

        There is one proven method, very effective in the Middle East (Americans in Iraq checked) - reward for reliable information about the customer in the amount of seven to eight zeros. Even the performers will turn inside out with fur, but they will hand over the customer.
        1. Kindof
          Kindof 12 November 2015 01: 33 New
          0
          And pay with the US Federal Reserve bonds
        2. igorka357
          igorka357 12 November 2015 04: 26 New
          0
          The direct executor either perishes during the terrorist attack, or he perishes after it ... there remain such people for whom eight zeros is not the sum!
      8. Bochik
        Bochik 12 November 2015 01: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        Quote: the most important
        1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!



        It’s possible, of course, but it’s important, but the main thing is to establish the customer exactly who financed how and who performed and in this order send to the Almighty.

        Hey Hey! Nobody has understood anything yet, not defined, and you have chopped everyone into cabbage. Carefully wave your checkers, otherwise you will touch someone ...
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    3. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 11 November 2015 14: 39 New
      +3
      hang!!! or put on the count !!!
      1. volot-voin
        volot-voin 11 November 2015 15: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        hang!!! or put on the count !!!

        As an option.
    4. BMW
      BMW 11 November 2015 14: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      There are no more results of the investigation, but here they are about to get wet. I’m afraid of the other, as if as a result of the investigation uncomfortable facts have surfaced that may try to obscure and hide.
      People, we need the investigation to be as open as possible. On black boxes of silence, there is practically no information.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 11 November 2015 15: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: bmw
        I’m afraid of the other, as if as a result of the investigation uncomfortable facts have surfaced that may try to obscure and hide.

        If the terrorist act really finds a Saudi trace, then the question immediately arises of what should be the response of Russia. And here, of course, you need to refrain from direct aggressive steps like sending a fleet to the Persian Gulf.

        There is one point that somehow (may) close a number of uncomfortable questions.

        ..FBI involvement in the investigation of the fall of A321 in Egypt ...
        2 hours ago
        gazeta.ru ›social / 2015/11/11 / 7885757.shtml
        The FBI is flying to Egypt. The Egyptian side approved the participation of the FBI in the investigation ... Shukri, Faeberevtsi may be involved in the investigation as advisers

        If an investigation involving the FBI proves that the Saudis are involved, then it will be easier for the UN to carry out a resolution with, say, ****** this and that.
        If "uncomfortable" moments arise ... then hiding them for the Russian Federation will become more difficult (but bargaining with the USA is possible)
        in general, there are enough options and the Boeing of Malaysia may appear on the “horizon” ..
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 11 November 2015 19: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: bmw
        I’m afraid of the other, as if as a result of the investigation uncomfortable facts have surfaced that may try to obscure and hide.
        This is already more interesting, here, as in Kursk, the topic may be muddy. Now Egypt has received the loss of our tourists, multimillion-dollar losses, maybe this was for some purpose, if not the main, so secondary. In general, after the "surgical" collapse of skyscrapers in New York, you can expect anything from the States, and you can hardly believe in their non-involvement in the crash of our aircraft. In addition, the issue with the Malaysian Boeing is not closed.
    5. Baloo
      Baloo 11 November 2015 14: 50 New
      +1
      [b] 1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Explode! [B]

      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Hang am
    6. Lenin
      Lenin 11 November 2015 14: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      Feed pork ... But in general, even if you take them to Russia, we still do not have the death penalty. There remains a scenario developed by the ISIS themselves. The sympathizing Russia "group of Arab friends of Russia" will execute and remove the execution. They can be called as they wish, all the same they will do everything in masks ...
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      2. Lenin
        Lenin 11 November 2015 16: 30 New
        0
        By the way, he sent his proposal to the president’s reception regarding air transportation and a few days later received the usual reply. Maybe I'm wrong, but in Kagalymavia there were not a dozen aircraft.
        1. Kindof
          Kindof 12 November 2015 01: 35 New
          +1
          And what about the warning about the bomb on board answered?
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 12 November 2015 07: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Lenin
          By the way, he sent his proposal to the president’s reception regarding air transportation and a few days later received the usual reply.

          The normal answer.
    7. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +1
      the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      ...... why so long? to catch and judge ........ hi
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 11 November 2015 17: 53 New
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        Quote: EGOrkka
        ...... why so long? to catch and judge ........

        You cannot judge.
        Any person in any country in the world must be sure that if he is in any way involved in terrorist acts against Russian citizens, they will kill him, just find him and just kill him, no matter where he is in the world. This phenomenon can only be fought so that everyone involved in this process will be sure that they will be found anyway, even after 10 years, but they will be found without fail and no one will talk to them.
        1. Kindof
          Kindof 12 November 2015 01: 36 New
          -1
          With oriental features: up to the seventh knee ..
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    8. Sura
      Sura 11 November 2015 15: 42 New
      +2
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      No, it’s wrong .. the plane costs money. In a world that high rocks are few?
      Bring to the edge, well ... let's jump and push already quietly, the effect is the same and cheaper.
      1. Lenin
        Lenin 11 November 2015 16: 33 New
        +1
        Dress the black cloak and let it fly, as in a Disney movie. laughing
    9. bastard
      bastard 11 November 2015 16: 56 New
      0
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      The plane is a pity. Maybe according to the method of Ivan Vasilievich? On a barrel of gunpowder and let it fly.
    10. Minstrel
      Minstrel 11 November 2015 16: 59 New
      0
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      Having previously stuffed the plane with carcasses of "unclean" animals - pigs, for example. To them, not virgins in paradise! am
    11. Sober
      Sober 11 November 2015 18: 34 New
      0
      A. Is it possible, immediately, after the first paragraph, the fourth?
    12. Altona
      Altona 11 November 2015 19: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      ----------------------
      These are emotions, they are understandable. And here is how smart people reason ...
    13. papas-57
      papas-57 11 November 2015 20: 00 New
      0
      `` How to punish the guilty. '' To use the "Wrath of God" against the pawns, and if the special services of any country are involved, take into action the actions of the Americans. Those sent to investigate the AUG, and we need to send, due to the lack of aircraft carriers, either Caliber or Iskander. It’s impossible to forgive.
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    15. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 11 November 2015 20: 34 New
      -1
      Whoever is to blame, it is necessary to find and do not give a shit to this country so that they would spit for many years afterwards, you can’t leave it just like that.
    16. Weyland
      Weyland 11 November 2015 23: 35 New
      0
      Quote: the most important
      Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!


      King of the Saudis?

      It’s easier to send something good to the Hussites as a gift - with a range of about 1000 km (from Sana'a to Riyadh there will be a little more, but from the nearest Yemeni border to Riyadh - only 720)
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    18. Bayonet
      Bayonet 12 November 2015 07: 15 New
      0
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      So you won’t get enough airplanes for them!
    19. PSih2097
      PSih2097 12 November 2015 12: 04 New
      0
      Quote: the most important
      1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

      I agree with 1 and 2, put him on a barge and hunt with dogs, send the 5 captured video to all interested persons with a hint of the future.
    20. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 12 November 2015 12: 33 New
      0
      This is beneficial for the Muslim brothers who lost in Egypt and were removed from power, 90% of youth who lose their jobs will go to change the current government under the slogan that it was better with BM.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 11 November 2015 14: 34 New
    +9
    They say one of the engines of the Russian Airbus-321 exploded.

    Samples were taken from the bodies of passengers and parts of the aircraft .. will do an examination for explosives ...
    after that, we can draw conclusions.
    While it is unclear who to catch, plant and blow up ... we are waiting for the expert opinion.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 11 November 2015 15: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      Samples were taken from the bodies of passengers and parts of the aircraft .. will do an examination for explosives ...
      after that, we can draw conclusions.

      Now there is such explosive that leaves no traces, or leaves in the form of harmless components. For example, if you blow up a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, then the product of combustion is ordinary water.
  3. sinukvl
    sinukvl 11 November 2015 14: 34 New
    12
    How to punish. As usual in such cases they do: Find and eliminate!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 11 November 2015 14: 40 New
      +1
      How to punish. as usual in such cases they do: Find and eliminate!


      Yes ... but whom ... suspects are a dime a dozen ... and who exactly is that?
      1. sinukvl
        sinukvl 11 November 2015 15: 13 New
        +1
        And you need to start with the organizers and financiers, and then along the entire chain. And who exactly, for this the FSB has an SVR.
        As there comrade Putin said - "... they themselves are bent .... their fate is that."
        :-)
        PS As an example: the love of chocolates is also a fate, if Konovalets wouldn’t like them, he could have lived a little longer.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 11 November 2015 17: 18 New
        0
        The same Lech

        Something I can not see the problem. In the question posed by the author.

        If there is a terrorist attack, then usually someone claims this otherwise the action does not make sense.

        If the state allowed a terrorist attack on its territory, then this state has a note of protest and what else is there.

        If the state maintains on its territory an organization that committed a terrorist attack, thereby making this organization legitimate, find out the position. Determine the degree of responsibility. At a serious level, the requirements of significant compensation to the relatives of the victims, plus other costs, of which there will be many.

        The customer and the contractor, determine to render an absentee sentence. Put on the international wanted list. And after 3-4 years, read the note that the unknown syner died of a heart attack with an ice ax in bed.
    2. Alexnder
      Alexnder 11 November 2015 14: 43 New
      +2
      The evacuation, even though it is not called in the media, of our citizens from Egypt, suggests that the answer will be, and will be in Sinai.
      1. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 11 November 2015 16: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexnder
        suggests that the answer will be, and will be in Sinai.

        I think recourse and at the airport the same “informant” sits, the plane was not chosen by chance - judging by (names of the deceased) almost all Slavs
        and almost 100% Russians
        1. Alexnder
          Alexnder 11 November 2015 17: 16 New
          0
          I agree. And the city of St. Petersburg is also not accidental. Homeland of our President.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 11 November 2015 17: 26 New
        0
        Alexander

        The position of the Russian Federation in world politics is the establishment, in a bureaucratic language, of constructive relationships without escalating violence.

        Nobody will bomb, a gang of chocks, in the territory from a border state, without an official agreement, including without approval by international law.

        Because laws were created to be implemented. And the state is designed to guarantee the implementation of laws.
    3. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 11 November 2015 16: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: sinukvl
      How to punish. As usual in such cases they do: Find and eliminate!

      Judging by the photo, the “babah” was first stuffed in the face, and then eliminated. This is our way.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 12 November 2015 07: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Petergofsky73
        Judging by the photo, the “babah” was first stuffed in the face, and then eliminated.

        A group of militants who were liquidated during a special operation in Ingushetia. The group operated on the territory bordering Chechnya. The special operation took place in the forest of the Sunzhensky district, not far from the village of Datykh. On a photo 3. Gayrbek Dzhamaldinov.
  4. Signaller
    Signaller 11 November 2015 14: 37 New
    +1
    And what have they already found ????? Something I have not heard. If you find then unscrew your head and say that it was.
  5. Hello
    Hello 11 November 2015 14: 39 New
    33
    Author you surprise me
    Russia cannot officially punish these militants - they are neither on its territory nor in the territory where the Russian air forces operate.

    Why is officers in such matters? Calculate and eliminate. The guys from the special services are not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs their task is to eliminate and prevent and not send requests. You never know why the hares die, you know, camel came and did not return.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 11 November 2015 14: 52 New
      +8
      Plus! After the war, Israel avenged its compatriots and not only for its own by stealing and executing the Nazis around the world. And they spat then and now even more so on any international laws and regulations ....
    2. jaguar
      jaguar 11 November 2015 15: 10 New
      +7
      Russia cannot officially punish these militants - they are neither on its territory nor in the territory where the Russian air forces operate. It surprises me too !!!! A few years ago, the president signed a decree allowing our special services to carry out the elimination of terrorists abroad !!!! And in general, why should we refrain from aggressive steps to please Washington when our compatriots die !!!!! am
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 16: 16 New
        -1
        So, it’s not in vain that the Americans, along with “our model” Constitution, prescribed the primacy of international law “as a gift”.
        That's really because of what, due to blindly following, to the detriment of the sovereign, we have losses at the international level.
        It doesn’t even seem, and probably it is: Russia is probably the only state that respects this glorified right to the detriment of itself, have bound themselves with flawed agreements, and with whom (?), With the world parasite.
        In the normal concept, Law should be supported by an instrument of enforcement and coercion to ensure it.
        But in fact? Right strong?
        So we can challenge this right, and then where will you press?
  6. the most important
    the most important 11 November 2015 14: 40 New
    +2
    If any state is involved in this, then it should disappear from the world map ... as a warning to others.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 16: 25 New
      +1
      What? The method is very effective, another 70 years is enough, or even more, so that even thoughts do not arise in the direction of Russia to look askance, and with the words "Russians go," enuresis happened.

      In all seriousness - History is a witness - they respect and understand only power.
      Throughout our history, we have shown strength and spirit, and weapons and justice.
      Retribution is the right of the strong! In our case, it’s also well-deserved. It is time to stop the external pressure on us, we have been living with it for a very long time, for centuries. And Russian generosity and humanism, sacrifice for justice, the shed blood of Russians will be appreciated only by those close to us in spirit and History.
      Blood of Russians should be very expensive, those who want to shed it.
  7. Aleksandr78
    Aleksandr78 11 November 2015 14: 42 New
    +7
    Not so long ago in Beirut they caught their prince with two tons of drugs. Catch a couple of such persons in the territory of third countries, I think they will tell a lot of interesting things about the plane and about Volgograd.
  8. g1v2
    g1v2 11 November 2015 14: 42 New
    +8
    The customer is most likely Qatar. Other options are not visible. How to punish? Conduct an investigation, identify the circle of perpetrators and eliminate as clearly as possible. From myself I propose a poorly planed stake smeared with pork fat. And leave the can from the pork stew of a Russian meat-packing plant, such as the one that gave urki, as the proof of the Russian trace in Ukraine, to leave in a prominent place. am
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 11 November 2015 14: 49 New
      +5
      I also bow to Qatar, for even the Saudis consider Qatar one of the main threats to the power of King Abdullah ...
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 11 November 2015 14: 50 New
      +4
      The customer is most likely Qatar. Other options are not visible.

      There can be many versions .... but you need to know in detail how the liner was destroyed ...
      if it was a bomb
      1. who made it, carried it and put it into action
      2. Who funded
      3. who ordered
      It could be a lone terrorist
      terrorist organization
      public service of any state
      just some crazy scumbag
      And to draw conclusions early without the facts and evidence on hand.
    3. opus
      opus 11 November 2015 15: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: g1v2
      The customer is most likely Qatar. Other options are not visible.

      Not sure.
      1. Operation "Unshakable Determination" (Operation Inherent Resolve or OIR)
      According to a U.S. Department of Defense report during the period 2014-2015 in air strikes were involved Air forces of the USA, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Jordan, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and the UAE. In addition, the destruction of the infrastructure of the Islamists involved US Navy shipsdeployed in the waters of the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf.
      USA (I won’t talk about the rest): ten F-15s and F-16s, six F-22s and numerous support, reconnaissance, electronic warfare planes + strategic lancers B1 “Lancer”
      / Qatar no /
      Almost a year
      2.For 2014-2015, not a single ISIS attack against airlines in the USA, Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Jordan, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.
      In Egypt, and everywhere

      Flydubai, Air France, Lufthansa, Air Arabia, Emirates Airlines, Alitalia, Condor Airlines, British Airways, etc.
      full list:

      Not a single act of terrorism, not a single attempt, neither at the airports of Egypt, nor at the airports of the Coalition
      3.Russia began operations in Syria in October 2015.
      A month has passed - a terrorist attack against the Russian airline.
      Conclusion:
      1. opus
        opus 11 November 2015 15: 19 New
        0
        1. Either the “coalition” didn’t do anything and why shouldn’t it take revenge.
        how then to be with

        As of August 7, 2015 over 10 thousand targets were destroyedOf which 119 tanks, 340 light trucks HMMWV, 2 firing positions, etc. The total cost of the operation by July 577, 31 reached $ 2015 billion.


        2. Or there was a kind of "gentlemanly" agreement, m / a leading coalition and ISIS.



        ======================
        how everyone was dissatisfied with the operation of the RF Armed Forces in Syria.
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 11 November 2015 17: 22 New
        +1
        A terrorist attack against a civilian plane is too shallow for the states. In geopolitics, all the same, other methods. The damage to the RF is not significant. I personally knew the two dead - they worked together, BUT THE COUNTRY WILL NOT RELY ON THIS. Will this attack affect the geopolitics of the Russian Federation GLOBALLY? Hardly . Th bonuses for the United States is not visible. At the same time, it’s quite common for Qatar to take revenge on the collapse of Qatar’s plans in Syria, where Qatar has lost billions, plus revenge on Egypt for overthrowing the Muslim brothers. In my opinion, Qatar is the main candidate for our retaliatory steps.
        1. opus
          opus 11 November 2015 21: 13 New
          -1
          Quote: g1v2
          The damage to the RF is not significant.

          Sanctions and other bullshit: cause dissatisfaction with Putin, the people grumbled Schaub.
          Passenger death and terrorist attack: Schaub grumbled people, why Putin got involved in the conflict in Syria?

          "water sharpens a stone"

          Change the course of the Russian Federation, and ideally change the GDP.


          The mouthpiece of the US State Department appeared on Russian television and gave an interview to Ksenia Sobchak

          Jen Psaki: Putin’s shift is not our goal, we want to change the course of Russia


          You believe?

          embassy spokesman (on charges of trying to remove Putin - on charges of Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkova.):
          “As soon as Russia fully fulfills the ceasefire obligations, which include, among other things, the withdrawal of Russian military personnel and equipment from Ukraine, reduced support for separatists, assistance in the release of prisoners, ensuring control of the border and security at the border, respect for Ukraine’s control of part of Ukraine -Russian border, as well as the establishment of a safe buffer zone on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border».

          I remember Minsk-1, I remember Minsk -2. What is written there I remember ...
          I don’t remember something “safe buffer zone on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border”
          It turns out that on our territory the troops should be placed where the United States likes it.
          And where you do not like it - do not stir.
          And then let Putin stay.
  9. sever.56
    sever.56 11 November 2015 14: 44 New
    +4
    The Saudis hate Assad to the grinding of teeth, and we, in fact, saved him and Syria from massacre and slavery. So some specific extremist forces in the leadership of Saudi Arabia, even bypassing the king and the security forces, could organize this attack, thereby trying to provoke a conflict, or a misunderstanding of Russia with Egypt and avenge the fact that we are helping Assad. If the Saudi trail is reliably established, it is necessary to act according to the old and proven MOSSAD method. Physical elimination of performers, capture of customers and court in Russia. If the states and Israel allow themselves such operations around the world, then we have every right to do so ... !!!
  10. AlexTires
    AlexTires 11 November 2015 14: 46 New
    13
    "How to punish the perpetrators of the destruction of A321?" - good question! Once, during the crisis in Lebanon, local banderlogs captured two Soviet diplomats in Beirut and demanded something from the USSR there. The case ended with a box in which was the head of the mullah - their mentor ...
    It is clear that protecting our citizens and preventing terrorist attacks is not always possible, but it is definitely necessary to punish terrorists, otherwise everyone will think that it is possible to kill Russian citizens with impunity.
    I suppose that the customers of the attack on Sinai are either in Saudi Arabia or in Qatar. Moreover, the probability of Qatar’s involvement is higher, because only creatures of a higher order who could not understand because of their wretchedness what they would run into could offend Russia.
  11. Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 11 November 2015 14: 47 New
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    I offer my deepest condolences to the family and friends! And to all indifferent to this terrible tragedy. But! There are no accidents. Let me express my version of what happened. There was a terrorist attack. A bomb explosion on board an airliner in the tail section. Who needs it and who benefits from it? Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Why and what motive? An explicit hint to the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. St. Petersburg plane, the birthplace of the President. After all, the plane did not explode from another city or country, although an hour before the tragedy the plane flew to Moscow, a little earlier to other cities. There was an explosion aboard the aircraft bound for St. Petersburg. According to security experts, the port of Sharm el-Sheikh did not undergo a proper check and the security system was not at the highest level. Pay a decent amount to one of those staff and the job is done. There is one more question. Why, when a German airliner crashed with a crazy pilot, the investigation was completed within 2 days, with the transcript of all the black box entries, although they were battered there by a blow to the mountain. And in this case only guesses and versions. The answer is one. There are political and diplomatic conversations between Russia and Egypt. If it turns out at the official level that this is a terrorist attack, Russia will lose Egypt as its ally. Since public opinion will do its job and this will be true in this case. But! Russia just won’t leave it. And those who put their hand to this will have to wait for a brutal answer. I repeat once again that this is only my subjective opinion. And the last one. People, stop flying east. There the war is in full swing! I grieve with you! ...
    1. Lone wolf
      Lone wolf 11 November 2015 15: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Karavan-150
      I offer my deepest condolences to the family and friends! And to all indifferent to this terrible tragedy. But! There are no accidents. Let me express my version of what happened. There was a terrorist attack. A bomb explosion on board an airliner in the tail section. Who needs it and who benefits from it? Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Why and what motive? An explicit hint to the President of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. St. Petersburg plane, the birthplace of the President. After all, the plane did not explode from another city or country, although an hour before the tragedy the plane flew to Moscow, a little earlier to other cities. There was an explosion aboard the aircraft bound for St. Petersburg. According to security experts, the port of Sharm el-Sheikh did not undergo a proper check and the security system was not at the highest level. Pay a decent amount to one of those staff and the job is done. There is one more question. Why, when a German airliner crashed with a crazy pilot, the investigation was completed within 2 days, with the transcript of all the black box entries, although they were battered there by a blow to the mountain. And in this case only guesses and versions. The answer is one. There are political and diplomatic conversations between Russia and Egypt. If it turns out at the official level that this is a terrorist attack, Russia will lose Egypt as its ally. Since public opinion will do its job and this will be true in this case. But! Russia just won’t leave it. And those who put their hand to this will have to wait for a brutal answer. I repeat once again that this is only my subjective opinion. And the last one. People, stop flying east. There the war is in full swing! I grieve with you! ...

      There is one more question. Why, when a German airliner crashed with a crazy pilot, the investigation was completed within 2 days, with the transcript of all the black box entries, although they were battered there by a blow to the mountain. And in this case only guesses and versions. The answer is one. There are political and diplomatic conversations between Russia and Egypt. If it turns out at the official level that this is a terrorist attack, Russia will lose Egypt as its ally. Since public opinion will do its job and this will be true in this case. But! Russia just won’t leave it. And those who put their hand to this will have to wait for a brutal answer.

      I support you ,,,, the situation painfully resembles the situation ... with the Kursk APRC ... and there is still no officially intelligible answer .... from which the Kursk died ,,, he pulled his torpedo ammunition or sworn the "friends" tried ... they helped and for good reason they didn’t raise the nasal part of the nose because all the answers there ... it looks like secret diplomacy worked to avoid a brutal answer ... the culprit preferred to obey to arrange secretly ,,, or whose shaves or Yankees whose then the ears stuck there in this tragedy
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 11 November 2015 15: 49 New
        +1
        I heard something about the cancellation of large Russian debts by the states exactly after the tragedy. what
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 11 November 2015 16: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrea
          I heard something about the cancellation of large Russian debts by the states exactly after the tragedy

          I don’t remember the name of the documentary, it seems “The Secret of Kursk.” So if you are dealing with metal, you will understand that not everything is so clear with the internal explosion, because traces of the first compartment and the conclusions of French metallurgical experts are clearly visible an external explosion. Indirect confirmation is that the American submariners do not fly to the Arctic, but as soon as they find our boat out to sea, they roll away from the northern latitudes in an instant. It’s the same with the British. Maybe you remember the laughter when the cabin was cut off on an English boat. It was in May of this year. Just one of our boats went out to test a torpedo weapon.
          1. Andrea
            Andrea 11 November 2015 16: 54 New
            +1
            Kursk submarine in troubled waters (Jean-Michel Carre Jean-Michel Carre) [2004, Documentary,
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 12 November 2015 08: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Lone Wolf
        the situation painfully resembles the situation ... with the Kursk APRK ... and still there is no officially intelligible answer .... from which the Kursk died ,,

        The Kursk nuclear submarine died as a result of a thermal explosion of the fuel components of the torpedo 65-76. After the thermal explosion, a fire followed by an increase in pressure in the first compartment, which caused detonation of the entire ammunition. This is the official conclusion of the government commission to investigate the causes of the death of the submarine.
  12. Not served
    Not served 11 November 2015 14: 48 New
    +3
    I am not a humanist to such. A bullet in the forehead or whatever else is not a punishment for them. They will not even be able to recognize him. And it is necessary that they felt it to the depths of their foul little darling. Kylo in their hands and to analyze the rubble that heaped until they die.
  13. Andrea
    Andrea 11 November 2015 14: 48 New
    +3
    Any direct aggressive actions against Riyadh will cause a serious aggravation of relations with Washington and destroy the fragile US-Russian compromise on the Syrian issue.
    There is nothing to be said about the morons. And what kind of compromise are we talking about? What did Russia decide to look for moderates?
    The rest of the states have nowhere to go. All actions directed against Russia in Syria will show their true goals and intentions. So to say, the imperialist grin.
    About punishment, I like the actions of the Mossad, to drive freaks around the world, so that the earth burns underfoot.
  14. maxim1987
    maxim1987 11 November 2015 14: 50 New
    +1
    If the terrorist act really finds a Saudi trace, then the question immediately arises of what should be the response of Russia. And here, of course, you need to refrain from direct aggressive steps like sending a fleet to the Persian Gulf. Any direct aggressive actions against Riyadh will cause a serious aggravation of relations with Washington, and will destroy the fragile US-Russian compromise on the Syrian issue.

    how we are afraid to sneeze in the direction of America.
  15. mihasik
    mihasik 11 November 2015 14: 51 New
    +3
    And here, of course, you need to refrain from direct aggressive steps like sending a fleet to the Persian Gulf

    What are the aggressive actions for the ditched 200-odd people, what are you talking about? Here they write that the Russian Federation was going to sell the Iskander SA. Here is such an original "otvetka" for the dead Russian children of Saudi Arabia. And they will find the guilty, only not those to whom the weapons were sold.
    Do we now, as in the States, have a military lobby and * at the princes?
  16. Aroma77
    Aroma77 11 November 2015 14: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: the most important
    1. Calculate 2. Catch 3. Put on the plane 4. Blow up!

    Why destroy the plane, throw it off the plane!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 11 November 2015 15: 19 New
      0
      Why destroy the plane, throw it off the plane!


      In the ocean, at a sufficient distance from the coast, luring the place of ejection of hungry sharks ... am
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 11 November 2015 23: 51 New
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        luring the place of release of hungry sharks


        Then it’s better not to throw it off the plane, but So slow lower on a cable from a helicopter good
  17. Wolka
    Wolka 11 November 2015 14: 53 New
    +1
    everything inevitably tends to sound the version of the terrorist attack, which is why the Egyptians allowed the Yankees to investigate this plane crash, only as a defender, now they are afraid that Russia will quite rightly present to Egypt, as a country that did not ensure flight safety, claims and a bill for reimbursement all damage caused, including non-pecuniary damage to the families of the dead passengers ...
  18. Mercenary
    Mercenary 11 November 2015 14: 53 New
    +3
    "Judging by the current actions of Moscow, she has not yet found the culprit."
    It is not necessary to look for the guilty; they have long been known to the FSB and, naturally, the presidents; the question is different - how to take revenge with maximum effect and minimal means; (Do not drop nuclear bombs on Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Although ...)
    I am sure the answer to all the questions will be found out soon!
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  20. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 11 November 2015 14: 56 New
    +1
    In my opinion, the performers should be destroyed, definitely. And those who ordered this is the same. Avengers can do this.
  21. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 November 2015 14: 56 New
    +3
    Something serious will be here .. Ban on air flights for two months, Putin's silence, etc. ! Before the facts are unveiled, it is obvious that they are simultaneously preparing in response ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 11 November 2015 15: 21 New
      0
      By the way, a very similar thought flickered in my head. Such coherence and haste in the evacuation of tourists from Egypt ...
  22. Mordvin
    Mordvin 11 November 2015 14: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Hello
    Author you surprise me
    Russia cannot officially punish these militants - they are neither on its territory nor in the territory where the Russian air forces operate.

    Why is officers in such matters? Calculate and eliminate. The guys from the special services are not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs their task is to eliminate and prevent and not send requests. You never know why the hares die, you know, camel came and did not return.

    The main thing is the inevitability of punishment so that it wouldn’t be misplaced in the future, but who, whom and for what needs someone (who this signal is addressed to, so to speak) already know now. It’s bad that they don’t know who did it yet, you need to get the customer not an ordinary performer.
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 11 November 2015 15: 06 New
    +1
    "She fell," most likely there will be nothing, neither "ours" nor theirs really need. Our relations with "our foreign partners" will suffer, either the "airbus" or the tourism business in Egypt will suffer from them. In general, the best way out for everyone to quietly hush up and forget. By the way, a candidate for the role of the scapegoat has already been found, some local bandit there, apparently the "Airbus" defeats the Egyptians.
  24. Jackking
    Jackking 11 November 2015 15: 07 New
    0
    We cannot ignore the possibility of a terrorist attack, if it is known that in Egypt the airport employees themselves offer to go on a plane without inspection for a small bribe ...
  25. Engineer
    Engineer 11 November 2015 15: 08 New
    +2
    As our KGB worked in Beirut, it is necessary now.
  26. jovanni
    jovanni 11 November 2015 15: 10 New
    +3
    "... If the Saudi trail is really found in the attack, then the question immediately arises of what should be the response of Russia. And here, of course, you need to refrain from direct aggressive steps like sending a fleet to the Persian Gulf."

    There is a way out. Instead of a fleet send missiles. Burn freaks.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 11 November 2015 16: 01 New
      0
      The problem is that proving the participation of the SA or Qatar will be practically impossible. No matter what evidence we bring, the Americans will “kick” them. And if we strike without the sanction of the UN Security Council, then we will be mixed with guano. So voicing the version of the attack is a sophisticated masochism. Therefore, ours are silent, and the Americans are trying hard to push the news of the terrorist attack. Are they not hoping that we will hit the oil rigs of the Arab terrorist monarchs with gauges?
      But in general, it would be worth thinking about retaliatory terrorist attacks at oil facilities.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 11 November 2015 23: 55 New
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        And if we strike without the sanction of the UN Security Council, then we will be mixed with guano.


        So you need to hit by the wrong hands. For there are Hussites in the world?

        Quote: alicante11
        But in general, it would be worth thinking about retaliatory terrorist attacks at oil facilities.


        I’m somehow more keen on the blow to the royal palaces ... am
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  27. Terminolol
    Terminolol 11 November 2015 15: 10 New
    +1
    The fact that to recognize the crash of an aircraft due to a terrorist attack can benefit everyone:
    1. Airbus (maybe Boeing) - It’s no secret that the fuselage tail was repaired, the quality of the repair can be questioned, in this case the company does not need to explain what this fact threatens with.
    2. Air carriers using the aforementioned company (including Boeing for example) planes that underwent similar (even to a lesser extent) repair (and there are probably quite a few) after the item 1 that lose machines, they will probably be removed from their flight certificate and sent for further repair, and it is money and time.
    3. Russia - including see n 2, we have a lot of similar ones. In view of the conflict, it became possible to remove our citizens from a hot spot (long live the Black Sea coast). Yes, and Turkey was hinted in such a way that it would not curry favor!
    4. It is beneficial for the NATO countries to inflate a scandal, to throw a grenade into our garden like "got involved in a war, get the result."
    Probably not beneficial only to Egypt, but it is understandable.
  28. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 11 November 2015 15: 11 New
    +2
    You should not look for a black cat in a dark room, let experts say their best word and speculation in the trash! When the data about customers and contractors appear, then they will “think”: HOW TO PUNISH GUILTY! For now, all the arguments on this subject are devoid sense!
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  30. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 November 2015 15: 26 New
    0
    Revenge unambiguously.
    Egypt is already raking, given the prohibition of flights to it.
    If you can prove the fault of another country ...
    In terms of punishment, our president always thinks extraordinary,
    so I won’t guess.
    Although 10 Lard, which the Saudis are willing to pay us for weapons,
    do not seem to you repayable for our plane?
  31. marinier
    marinier 11 November 2015 15: 27 New
    +1
    Good time of the day, yep!
    Empty You have no doubt that the decisiveness of the enemy is the most decisive
    In my time, the special services of my country aroused admiration
    Your operation in Qatar to eliminate Yandarbiev.
    And in the special institutions of our special services it is still set as an example
    Operation "Ledorub" in Mexico. And with what museum your agents dared.
    What are Ludi? There are no words. And cocoa country of the USSR, was ...........
    1. Karavan-150
      Karavan-150 11 November 2015 15: 49 New
      -1
      There is good and evil in the world.
      light and darkness.
      God and the devil.
      here he has infused you - the devil.
      we all live under god.
      and no one knows what will happen to us tomorrow.
      and therefore be careful in words and thoughts.
      God has given us - mother earth.
      which feeds, dresses us.
      all good things come from God.
      but the bad from the devil.
  32. yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 November 2015 15: 34 New
    0
    Perpetrators must be punished ...

    But, IMHO:
    the presence of Russian civil aviation should not be in private hands when the owners' pursuit of revenue interferes with flight safety issues and allows them to operate aircraft in poor technical condition.

    For a country like Russia, with its length and climatic conditions, we should not be “hostages” of private transport and the pricing policy of transportation tariffs.
  33. Support
    Support 11 November 2015 15: 35 New
    +2
    Since ancient times - Who benefits? And the rollback should be many times more powerful, stronger, more painful and worse. So that the very thought of wanting to harm Russia causes colic of fear in the stomach and involuntary urination .... They have already bred so much, they are already so tired that it is time to put the Enemies of Russia in order ..... Enough to endure. A "chopper" can be quiet, but loud, work.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 11 November 2015 23: 58 New
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      Quote: Prop
      And the rollback should be many times more powerful, stronger, more painful and worse


      Ideally need full victory, according to Lao Tzu (i.e. such when no losers. From the word in general)
      "Extinguishing the fire and leaving burning coals, killing the snake and sparing the serpents is not the work of the wise!" (Saadi)
  34. iouris
    iouris 11 November 2015 15: 52 New
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    1) First you need to document the version of the attack. While the attack is just the version. It is not in favor of this version that explicit instructions have been received from "our partners" to consider this version as the only one. It meets the interests of the "global aircraft manufacturers", lessors and repair organizations affiliated with the USA, Great Britain and the EU, i.e. with the "West", with the "golden billion".
    2) Perhaps, in our time, an objective investigation of such incidents is impossible. The veracity of the conclusion of the commission to investigate the causes of deaths will be an act, the attitude towards which will be an ideological issue, i.e. a matter of faith or disbelief. The version of the attack is not beneficial to Egypt for economic and political reasons, so it is strange that Egypt is involved in the FBI investigation.
    3) For some reason, along with Saudi Arabia, Qatar is not mentioned - one of the main interests in the case.
    4) Even if the cause of the liner’s death is the result of a coincidence, then you need to carefully look at who uses this chance and how, and not develop an action plan in case one of the versions is confirmed. The development and implementation of plans is the task of completely different structures.
    5) The destruction of MN14, which Moscow is accused of, and the death of the Kagalymavia aircraft are now two closely related stories.
    1. Terminolol
      Terminolol 11 November 2015 16: 18 New
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      Yes, not as closely connected as they could. And the fact that the truth will be buried for political reasons like МН14 is an indisputable fact. That's just a terrorist attack, many people will not forgive Putin, because this is such an opportunity to kick him for the war in Syria and the costs associated with it, and even the crashed plane. It is clear that politics is a war of compromises ... it’s a pity that it’s just to the detriment of the truth!
  35. Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 11 November 2015 15: 56 New
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    Yes, the explosion of the Syrian plane seems a step, to put it mildly, excessive.
    If I understood correctly, the author meant "Russian aircraft." If so, please correct.
  36. saveall
    saveall 11 November 2015 16: 02 New
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    It is clear that the perpetrators were local terrorists (the so-called “Sinai branch” of the Islamic State took responsibility for the attack).

    It is doubtful that the Igilov fighters could have done this. Here the work of good special services, and the attack should be considered as a special operation against Russia.
  37. mitrich
    mitrich 11 November 2015 16: 02 New
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    It is necessary to punish, no matter who they are, the Saudis, Cathars, or other crap. Flesh before launching lionfish for proven targets from our nuclear submarines or Varshavyanka, from the Indian Ocean or from Mediterranean. Otherwise, we are worthless, and everyone will finally understand that we are patient.
    And the Saudis have not yet answered us for Afghanistan.
  38. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 11 November 2015 16: 04 New
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    the main thing is to figure out the customers and performers, collect the evidence base, and then think about revenge. experts in this field say that this dish is eaten cold.
  39. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 11 November 2015 16: 25 New
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    Regardless of which version is confirmed, the country's leadership is obliged to make a decision and respond to this incident. If this is a terrorist attack, then those who perpetrated it must be found and destroyed, and our people should see it all with their own eyes. If this is an airline oversight, then we do not need such airlines !!! And all the perpetrators must be severely punished. For the death of so many people, for the enormous misfortune of the relatives and friends of the deceased, retribution must come for those who are to blame!
  40. Terminolol
    Terminolol 11 November 2015 16: 25 New
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    So many warlike writers on the site, you wonder. To draw conclusions, and strive even in words to kill the non-existent Islamist and all his children on the 10 knee, but no one is watching that there is not a single source of information officially confirmed. Either one newspaper with a reference to a person in some circles ... then another agency refers to the mythical representative of the commission ... Gentlemen, forum users start thinking for yourself and do not raise your rating with their pseudo-patriotic slogans ... they are already starting to feel sick ...
  41. wild
    wild 11 November 2015 16: 28 New
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    Satanovsky claims that Qatar and their foreign minister are behind it. He brings evidence that this figure allegedly promised to arrange a bunch of problems for Moscow. And he lost billions and a reputation in Syria.
  42. Kalmar
    Kalmar 11 November 2015 16: 33 New
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    Since it is obvious that the attack is directly related to the Russian operation in Syria, the organizers should be those who are not satisfied with this operation, to whom it is very hindering.

    The conclusion is obvious, but far from the fact that it is correct. Let's say how many terrorist attacks were organized by Chechen terrorists? Lots of. How many of them led to curtailing the military campaign in Chechnya? No one; the effect was usually the opposite.

    Based on the foregoing, it can be assumed that this terrorist attack could well be organized just by those who are interested in the Russian presence in Syria. Moreover (worse), this action may even have someone's quite prosaic selfish interests: we see how briskly and suddenly Egypt was closed to Russian and British tourists (they account for most of the tourist flow to Egypt), even the outcome Investigations did not begin to wait.

    In general, I would very much like to see an open and detailed investigation, but, I feel, everything will be as usual: someone will be appointed guilty, quietly soaked in the toilet, and that’s all.
    1. Kindof
      Kindof 12 November 2015 01: 56 New
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      And not a week passed, as they began to zombie on the central television channels about the redirection of the tourist flow to ... Turkey!
  43. guzik007
    guzik007 11 November 2015 16: 50 New
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    I think that the GDP after weighing, measuring and a full investigation will send an answer in the form of steel Australian birds. And I strongly suspect that the recipient will develop QATAR of the upper respiratory tract from the ingestion of foreign bodies directly into the scent.
  44. hotrod
    hotrod 11 November 2015 16: 53 New
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    A muddy topic with this flight. The way the officials of the leading countries (including Russia) behaved suggests that the nook was not weak. Fortune-telling without having insider is a thankless task. I am confused by the evolution in height before the fall ..
  45. hotrod
    hotrod 11 November 2015 16: 53 New
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    A muddy topic with this flight. The way the officials of the leading countries (including Russia) behaved suggests that the nook was not weak. Fortune-telling without having insider is a thankless task. I am confused by the evolution in height before the fall ..
  46. Denis DV
    Denis DV 11 November 2015 16: 54 New
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    To the author, NOT V-RYU hi
    The article is more like tangling up a track.
    - Immediately cut off the participation of any special services.
    - Thoughts about someone's disinterest and other interests and desires of "COALITION" look ridiculous.

    The customer and the executor now have one interest - to remain unknown, confusing the tracks. Retribution will definitely be. The Russian Federation has a wide range of methods and means of "appeasing" terrorists.
    1. tomket
      tomket 11 November 2015 17: 08 New
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      Quote: Denis DV
      Retribution will definitely be.

      Will it?
      Quote: Denis DV
      The Russian Federation has a wide range of methods and means of "appeasing" terrorists.

      And if the customer is the state apparatus of Qatar? After 11.11. The United States didn’t think much about seeking evidence to declare war on Afghanistan. It’s just that it wouldn’t be common. Will Russia declare war on small QATAR? Hence the confusion of the first persons. It is not bearded in the toilet to wet. Here we either roll Qatar into the sand, or wash ourselves ...
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 11 November 2015 19: 06 New
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        Duc, if the Qatari, then you have to roll up. Not all of course, guilty. A few rockets in the air vents and a dozen or two at the barmalei training bases. Otherwise, loss of face.
        1. Kindof
          Kindof 12 November 2015 01: 59 New
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          But didn’t you think that pulling Russia into a battle with the Islamic world on its territory is someone’s star-striped dream?
  47. Colonel
    Colonel 11 November 2015 17: 25 New
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    all the hints that the Western intelligence services organized the explosion look untenable. From a strategic point of view, Europe and the United States benefit from a coordinated Russian military presence in Syria, as it solves their problems.

    I do not think so. Are the words of the US Secretary of Defense about our future losses casual? No, not that rank that would just tryndet. And if the Russian Aerospace Forces, to some extent, solves Europe’s refugee problems, then what are the US problems? Or does someone believe that the flow of refugees is something spontaneous? Whose hands carried out the attack (I think, after all, the attack) is one question. Whose filing is the second.
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  49. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 11 November 2015 17: 47 New
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    Quote: Mercenary
    "Judging by the current actions of Moscow, she has not yet found the culprit."
    It is not necessary to look for the guilty; they have long been known to the FSB and, naturally, the presidents; the question is different - how to take revenge with maximum effect and minimal means; (Do not drop nuclear bombs on Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Although ...)
    I am sure the answer to all the questions will be found out soon!

    or do not know.
  50. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 11 November 2015 18: 00 New
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    Yes, all this is ours, including the author of the publication "kitchen reflections." Including mine.
    I want to comment on the author’s phrase at the end of the text "Judging by the current actions of Moscow, she has not yet found the culprit."
    I think specially trained people and whom access should already be in the know "who, from whom and where the ears grow from". But due to political considerations, "Moscow has not yet found the culprit."
    As they say, wait and see.