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"Putin, send troops!"

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What would happen if Russia sent troops to New Russia in 2014 year? The Internet party “Putinslil” would not have formed, but in its place some other party would have been formed.


"Putin, send troops!"


The Ukrainian army in the summer of 2014 was weak, and Russian troops, with the support of the militia of New Russia, could occupy the entire southeast of Ukraine and even Kiev, if it would have been necessary to fight only with the APU. But if PMCs and NATO contingents (the same “foreign legion” that Putin said at that time) came to the aid of Bandera, for example, landed in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kiev ... Then, apparently, our troops would stop at some "Red line". Shadow CIA "Stratfor" then prompted the line of demarcation of troops around the Dnieper.

In the future, this option rolls over to "Afghanistan" in Ukraine, our best enemy Brzezinski openly dreams of him. The fighting on the territory with nuclear power plants, saturated with industrial enterprises, can lead to a humanitarian catastrophe and serious economic consequences.

A complete and sharp rupture of economic relations between Russia and Europe, estimated at 500 billion dollars, is also possible. This would lead to the necessity of introducing a state of emergency in Russia and in Europe, then the world economic crisis and the Third World War would be on the agenda. Moreover, in conventional weapons and allied countries, the West now has a significant advantage over Russia.

In general, conventional conventional means of the Russian Armed Forces, despite significant progress under the leadership of Shoigu, are not sufficiently prepared for war, especially the military-industrial complex. The situation is repeated before the Great Patriotic War, when Soviet Russia went to sign a peace treaty with Hitler (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) in order to gain time and continue rearming the army. Today, Russia is also rearming, this process is scheduled to be completed by 2020 year. However, the rearmament program was supplemented with an “import substitution program”.

The General Staff promises to complete the construction of the aerospace defense of Russia by the end of 2015. So, relatively recently, they placed the C-400 complex on Kamchatka, covering our naval base. In general, the Minsk process has already given Russia two years of respite to prepare the country for defense. This is a serious achievement: Stalin at one time won less time.

The “Putinsil” party proceeds from the most favorable scenario for the development of events after the introduction of troops into Novorossia, which is more or less confronted with the current level of confrontation. And it does not consider the unfavorable ... However, when entering the troops, Europe would not exactly put forward the "Norman format", it was a condition for Russia to refuse the military operation. America would supply Ukraine at a minimum weapon and their PMCs ...

Does this mean that after the “Minsk” reunification of the New Russia is impossible, its banderization is inevitable? That is, what is this situation for long? Here, “Putininsil” makes a strange gimmick, by default considering the situation in the world stable, ignoring the obvious fact that the hybrid war of the West against Russia continues and is growing on other fronts, the West declares sanctions before Russia returns to the Crimea, that is, Washington intends to somehow defeat Russia

With the naked eye it is clear that the situation in the world is changing very quickly and is getting worse. Bandera’s Ukraine in its current state, without ties with Russia, the West will have to take on full content, by the way, extremist financier George Soros has been talking about this for a long time. However, both the USA and Europe do not acquire colonies in order to maintain them.

From the very beginning, many non-affiliated analysts called the Minsk Agreements merely a truce, because Kiev cannot fulfill the political part of them, absolutely speaking. They turned out to be right, we still see that at least somehow the clauses about the truce are being carried out. Many of these analysts call the Minsk Agreement also a trap for Poroshenko, and they are puzzled why he signed them? This bin Newton is not difficult to solve.

Before signing the main document in Minsk, Poroshenko made a call to a friend, and received a go-ahead from him. Most likely, it was US Vice President Joe Biden, known for his commitment to a military solution to the Ukrainian crisis with Russia. Washington approved Minsk because it gave Kiev a breather, and the resumption of the war would then write off all its agreements. (Likewise, the Malaysian Boeing was shot down in the hope that the war triggered by this catastrophe would make the investigation impossible and useless.)

In August 2015, the Bandera troops actually prepared the offensive, and even made the first gestures, however, they ran into powerful counter artillery counterattacks, this was reported by ukroSMI. Putin then pointedly went to the Crimea, where he expressed the hope that "it would not be possible to get serious combat clashes." And Poroshenko August 24 was invited to Berlin to Chancellor Merkel, and as a result of the work done with him already from September 1 in the Donbass for the first time, in general, a truce was established, which continues to this day.

Since Kiev still cannot fulfill Minsk, our American colleagues will have to disavow it in another way. For example, removing Poroshenko, the signatory of this "Minsk". Therefore, it should be expected that in the outbreak of the “war of the oligarchs” between Kolomoisky and Poroshenko, the US State Department, and its emanation in the form of Jeffrey Payette, will end up on the side of Kolomoisky.

In general, the situation in Ukraine cannot be stabilized on the “Minsk” foundation. Next year, 2016 will officially end its action, and we will see how it will fall apart and bury Poroshenko under its rubble. Talk about his prolongation - this is just talk. Poroshenko failed Joe Biden's plan for Ukraine and will be punished. As a result, the situation in Ukraine and in New Russia will be set in motion ...
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  1. Galich Kos
    Galich Kos 11 November 2015 07: 03 New
    -31
    Since Kiev still cannot perform Minsk, our American colleagues will have to disavow it in another way. For example, removing Poroshenko, the signatory of this Minsk.



    Indeed, no matter how cattle and scum Poroshenko was, but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 11 November 2015 07: 10 New
      29
      The outskirts must "mature". When the understanding that the freebie is over will not mature in my head, the Russian Federation will not feed and support. All tantrums about the drain will end, you just have to show restraint.
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 11 November 2015 07: 52 New
        +2
        Victor if
        11.08.14/XNUMX/XNUMX "the empire of lies" and its little liars threw all their resources, diplomatic and sanctions, into battle against Russia. It is well known that to bring a hysterical and impudent person to life, you need a good slap in the face, in this case it could be the counterattack of Igor Strelkov’s militia, now it is needed like air. And New Russia, and Russia. This is a task for the “polite cat” Shoigu ...

        и
        the situation in Ukraine cannot be stabilized on the “Minsk” foundation.

        then ...
        bolder you will succeed
        1. DEMENTIY
          DEMENTIY 11 November 2015 08: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: twviewer
          bolder you will succeed


          Will not work.

          "What would have happened if Russia had sent troops to Novorossiya in 2014? The Putinslil Internet party would not have formed, but in its place would have been some another batch. "


          "Poroshenko failed Joe Biden's plan for Ukraine and will be punished. As a result, the situation in Ukraine and Novorossia will set in motion..."


          Any ellipsis is Everest analytics. Everything. Above do not jump.

          PS Victor, you convinced me - I quit reading analytics. The combination of eleven letters and three dots is universal. They can strip everything.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 11 November 2015 12: 01 New
            +3
            Some of them are a party of opponents of the introduction of troops into Ukraine and the deterioration of the economic situation in the country.

            Her work would be much more destructive than the work of the "Putin-lovers".
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 11 November 2015 12: 43 New
              +9
              And further...

              As you wish, but I trust Putin, Lavrov, Shoigu and their analysts immeasurably more than Strelkov and other "putinslists".

              The only reason why the Bandera fascist criminal junta is still in power in Ukraine, why people continue to die in the Donbas and the Russian army has not been introduced to Ukraine, the only reason is that the introduction of the Russian army will entail even greater casualties among the residents of Donbass, Ukraine and Russian citizens, a much more significant deterioration of the economic situation in the country with unpredictable consequences, the irretrievable loss of vast territories (beyond the Dnieper) and the genocide of the Russian population there.

              They didn’t send troops to the Donbass, to Ukraine — that was impossible.

              But in any case, Donbass, Ukraine (all) will be ours.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 11 November 2015 23: 03 New
                +3
                I also do not understand the slogans "Putin shed!" Crimea was easy to defend, the moment was chosen ideally, an incomprehensible change of "power" in the country, a demoralized Ukrainian army, an understandable division of the population - mainly Russians, ours, also Crimean Tatars, stoned Svidomo "daughters of officers" with "Grads" on the roofs the cat cried. And Russians, ours, in Crimea understand perfectly well what will happen to them when they come from the Maidan. It is easy to defend Crimea - the isthmus was blocked, the fleet pulled up, everyone crap and calmed down.
                In Donbass, it’s a little different. Time has passed. The pastor is already in power, the army obeys him, the Maydauns arm themselves and become "guards" (it was necessary to distort this word like that!). Defending is harder, the mainland after all, our troops are not there, and among the population there is at least one percent of traitors, but there will be (remember how after Slavyansk a brother surrendered his sister to the Gestapo for sympathy with the militia?). And the leadership does not agree on everything.
                With Crimea, the USA and other riffraff washed and accepted. In Donbass, we did not have the right to introduce troops.
                There is only one way out - to stop and wear them out. Then the so-called. "truce", which is constantly violated by dill.
                Ukraine, as a country, WELL CANNOT FUNCTION! This requires strong political will (which cannot be built on the conceit of stubborn Bandera) and huge infusions that no one will make there.
                What is left? WAIT. Until they fall. While svidomye bite each other amid falling. While there will be nothing to eat.
                And then it is already possible to draw the "Curzon line" on the contrary. For example, on the left bank, although it is necessary to cut them off from the sea along the Black Sea, at the same time to establish communication with Transnistria. And let the independent people in the Carpathians live in their historical homeland!
                I think it will be so.
                Yours faithfully, hi
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 11 November 2015 23: 52 New
                  +3
                  Well, and who is the minus? Show yourself, good man! And motivate your minus, please. Or am I a terrible enemy on the forum I have acquired my sinful and blasphemous thoughts for doing things? So for deeds and thoughts, I will answer before God, I know everything, I remember everything!
            2. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 11 November 2015 18: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              Her work would be much more destructive than the work of the "Putin-lovers".

              How to say ... Pseudo-patriotism of "educated revolutionaries" is much more dangerous than most Yeltsinoids
              1. Yars
                Yars 11 November 2015 22: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                Her work would be much more destructive than the work of the "Putin-lovers".

                How to say ... Pseudo-patriotism of "educated revolutionaries" is much more dangerous than most Yeltsinoids

                I agree with you completely!
        2. hedgehog in the fog
          hedgehog in the fog 11 November 2015 10: 06 New
          +6
          history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, if yes, if it was, it was not entered, then it was necessary so, and stop procrastinating this topic
      2. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 11 November 2015 08: 15 New
        -14
        The outskirts must "mature".

        Massive missile and bomb strikes, up to a thousand sorties a day, the complete destruction of the Natsik, all that can shoot, then mopping up the forces of New Russia. Two weeks, when warm from burning tanks and armored personnel carriers, maturation sharply accelerates and directs in the right direction. The people in Kiev with flowers and bread and salt joyfully meet the LDNR tanks. Europa in horror awaits them in London ... but applauds ... the United States in a mute stupor ... wassat
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 11 November 2015 08: 42 New
          +9
          Quote: sergeybulkin
          Massive missile and bomb strikes, up to a thousand sorties a day, the complete destruction of the Natsik, all that can shoot, then mopping up the forces of New Russia. Two weeks, warm from burning tanks and armored personnel carriers, maturation sharply accelerates and directs in the right direction. The people in Kiev with flowers and bread and salt joyfully meet the LDNR tanks. Europa in horror awaits them in London ... but applauds ... the United States in a mute stupor ...


          coppola smokes nervously ...

        2. tomket
          tomket 11 November 2015 09: 43 New
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          Quote: sergeybulkin
          Two weeks, warm from burning tanks and armored personnel carriers, maturation sharply accelerates and directs in the right direction.

          In the Crimea, no APCs were burning, despite the fact that there were the most. With the correct projection of the force of power, the bulk of the people would just side with the strong, that is, Russia.
          1. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 11 November 2015 10: 55 New
            +4
            No armored personnel carriers burned in Crimea

            What does the Crimea have to do with it? Crimeans were not so targeted for the Nazis, and in dill every second Bandera, and who is not a Bandera, he hates any Russians, even relatives quarreled ... wassat
            1. NyeMoNik70
              NyeMoNik70 11 November 2015 12: 26 New
              +5
              You are mistaken. In the worst case scenario, this is approx. twenty%. And this is only in certain areas. And yes, move the Russian Federation or say the militia, after the start of the ATO, this is a war of liberation. But at the peak of the coup, it might not have been worth moving. In any case, management has been reinsured due to lack of information, or rather its quality. Although of course we are very disappointed that the South-West was not supported in any way. I am sure that having cut off the largest ports from e.v.r.r.e.chikov, in this case no one would have heard of the anti-terrorist operation in March-April.
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 15: 58 New
              0
              sergeybulkin
              and in dill every second Bandera, and who is not a Bandera, he hates any Russians,



              ..... you are the censor ... you have read .... BUT everything is far from it ..... and even if it was SO how you say ... the point is in the killings .... the world no matter what. .... contributes to agreement ... hi
            3. Mikado
              Mikado 11 November 2015 23: 37 New
              +3
              Quarreled, really. The witness himself. The best friend is a Ukrainian, from the first class together, we also work together. They quarreled .. Moreover, the initiator was a party living in Ukraine. Like, we are bad, and thousands of bearded Chechens occupied the Donbass (at least last year they spoke like that in telephone conversations, I don’t know now).
              My friend's cousin constantly went to see us in St. Petersburg to earn money, such as they didn’t have a job (of course, she worked as a saleswoman). She lived at their place for six months. And now we (we who drank beer together with her on a bench!) Are enemies for her! Well, think about where, damn it, reason and logic, where are family ties, where is simple human gratitude .. Ugh ..
              1. EGOrkka
                EGOrkka 12 November 2015 05: 28 New
                +1
                Mikado
                Quarreled, really


                ...... originally it was .... but when the Donbass flashed ..... my argument is that if .... they shot you.I would fit too.... after some time ..... got its sound. It’s just the propaganda of the junta that Russia attacked .... and now it’s going to enter Kiev straight into all ears ... but time passes and instead of Russian tanks ..... it’s more frequent ... western ..... .and it is not visible with the naked eye who is CRAFTS. More recently ... brother ... did not ambiguously say that the time will come soon .... and my help (I’m not at all occupying forces) ..... will be needed .... and this is not in the Southeast! !! hi
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 13 November 2015 01: 19 New
                  0
                  Quote: EGOrkka


                  ...... originally it was .... but when the Donbass flashed ..... my argument is that if .... they shot you.I would fit too.... after some time ..... got its sound. It’s just the propaganda of the junta that Russia attacked .... and now it’s going to enter Kiev straight into all ears ... but time passes and instead of Russian tanks ..... it’s more frequent ... western ..... .and it is not visible with the naked eye who is CRAFTS. More recently ... brother ... did not ambiguously say that the time will come soon .... and my help (I’m not at all occupying forces) ..... will be needed .... and this is not in the Southeast! !! hi

                  I think everything will be restored. I feel sorry for people. Bandera is not a pity. There was a lot of blood between Donbass and the rest of Ukraine, this is not immediately forgotten .. Happiness to you, your brother and your families!
                  1. EGOrkka
                    EGOrkka 13 November 2015 05: 58 New
                    0
                    Mikado
                    I feel sorry for people. Bandera is not sorry


                    .... it's even harder ... a crest without mimicry ... and not a crest. This cake ... still bitter for a long time ... will be.
            4. Suhow
              Suhow 12 November 2015 01: 16 New
              +2
              I live in Ukraine and not a Bandera, moreover, I do not like them to put it mildly, and not every second Bandera in Ukraine hates Russians (or hates), but there is a minus in the proverb my hut is from the edge, but the majority in Ukraine are positive and positive to the Russians at least 25 percent, just the problem is that Natsik and the other riffraff united their hut I can’t hide anymore, there are stupefying for so many years of independence we have probably rewritten history 5 times, and that’s the result ... Most citizens are chasing a long bucks, for the rest of the time there is not enough, here is the result, and at Khreshchatyk in 2014 there were mostly non-working people, and students who had a lot of free time, the winter was harvested at the storage facility, the greenhouses were empty there was calm, why not go to Kiev ?? and food on the ball and the roof over your head is free ....
          2. c3r
            c3r 11 November 2015 15: 35 New
            +4
            How did you get these sofa stragetes. The correct precision of power, the bulk of the people. My friend, when very close relatives burn your house, you will probably take their side. And do not compare with the Crimea. In Crimea, at Perekop, he set up a brigade reinforced by aviation and the navy and immediately stopped supplying all the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in mainland Ukraine it doesn’t work out, and a full-fledged war is obtained in comparison with which Chechnya smokes nervously. Stop wetting smarties, take a ruler and a curvimeter and count map, and compare the length of the land border near Crimea and the same New Russia with the Dnipropetrovsk, Sumy and Kharkov regions combined, and then take the 14000 Crimean group of Russia and multiply by the difference and get the approximate number of people needed for this and it will be very approximately, and I don’t even dare to judge material and financial costs. Strategies of my father’s computer!
            1. NyeMoNik70
              NyeMoNik70 11 November 2015 16: 03 New
              +3
              c3r do not fantasize. Because of this opinion, somewhere on Olympus, we got a legitimate Nazi state aimed at fighting all Russian, including Orthodoxy. I’m still here and you are there ... No one asked for fish, they would give a fishing rod. But no. And people have questions to which articulate answers are not expected. And the Nazis on the street our cities are already there.
              1. c3r
                c3r 11 November 2015 18: 01 New
                +3
                Fantasy is more about your part. I tried to give you an answer backed up by at least Kakashi’s calculations, and you’re talking about fishing rods and fish. Stop pushing the country into a world slaughter because of some of your ambitions, the Ukrainians themselves had to think, and so what kind of government they wanted that's what you need. And as regards the anti-Russian state, Poland was 38, it smelled like a dozen, and Poland didn’t become 39. And you’ll be hungry to eat these, you won’t even have to share them. You won’t play Nazism on an empty stomach and empty pocket Nazism conquest needed.
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 18: 41 New
              0
              c3r
              How did you get these sofa stretegi


              ... except for the sofa ... "theatergoers" also drop by with their group from the censor. no .... they have such a job ... to work out candy wrappers bully
            3. Mikado
              Mikado 11 November 2015 23: 20 New
              0
              Quote: c3r
              How did you get these sofa stragetes. The correct precision of power, the bulk of the people. My friend, when very close relatives burn your house, you will probably take their side. And do not compare with the Crimea. In Crimea, at Perekop, he set up a brigade reinforced by aviation and the navy and immediately stopped supplying all the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in mainland Ukraine it doesn’t work out, and a full-fledged war is obtained in comparison with which Chechnya smokes nervously. Stop wetting smarties, take a ruler and a curvimeter and count map, and compare the length of the land border near Crimea and the same New Russia with the Dnipropetrovsk, Sumy and Kharkov regions combined, and then take the 14000 Crimean group of Russia and multiply by the difference and get the approximate number of people needed for this and it will be very approximately, and I don’t even dare to judge material and financial costs. Strategies of my father’s computer!

              He said the same thing, then I read you. I take off my hat hi
        3. The lead
          The lead 11 November 2015 12: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: sergeybulkin
          Massive missile and bomb strikes, up to a thousand sorties a day, the complete destruction of the Natsik, all that can shoot, then mopping up the forces of New Russia. Two weeks, warm from burning tanks and armored personnel carriers, maturation sharply accelerates and directs in the right direction. The people in Kiev with flowers and bread and salt joyfully meet the LDNR tanks. Europa in horror awaits them in London ... but applauds ... the United States in a mute stupor ...
          President Strelkov calls on citizens of Ukraine to remain calm. laughing
        4. c3r
          c3r 11 November 2015 15: 21 New
          0
          Do you really believe in what you wrote or is it so that you pick up the minuses? request
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            1. The lead
              The lead 11 November 2015 17: 41 New
              +1
              There is a fourth option, a joke.
        5. Suhow
          Suhow 12 November 2015 01: 01 New
          0
          and not sadly, after massive strikes and mopping-up by the forces of Little Russia, large-scale partisan underground movement and terrorist attacks not only in the regions of Ukraine, but also in the northern and central regions, and possibly in the Russian Federation, which had been outlawed since the 40th century. please, but then everything is not in a neighborly, but in a European way, the people are already fed up with the abducted and in the future worsening (sacrament), he himself will understand what nasty things he brought to power, and then push and support even without military intervention. And again, brothers, peace, friendship, shekoladka And Natsik on caches ...
        6. Mairos
          Mairos 12 November 2015 10: 28 New
          0
          You are our aggressive. Did you even hear something bigger than firecrackers explode? And how do bullets click on the armor you're sitting under? And when these massive blows aroused consciousness - they arouse hatred and rage, well, fear, where could one go without it in a war. If this is a banter, then a stupid banter, and if it is seriously written, then you.
      3. tomket
        tomket 11 November 2015 09: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The outskirts must "mature". When the understanding that the freebie is over does not mature in my head,

        You operate on the categories of Maidan, when the Ukrainians stood for a better life. Now here they are against the worst enemy, and this enemy we are.
        Quote: oleg-gr
        RF will not feed and contain

        Quote: oleg-gr
        F feed and will not contain

        Now, if the Ryazan region came under occupation, would you also not intend to feed it?
        Quote: oleg-gr
        All tantrums about draining will end, you just have to show endurance.

        As soon as they finally merge, or rather return to the political and legal field of Ukraine, then it will end, to the joyful shouts of the sofa Russians, "tired" of the war.
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 11: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The outskirts must "mature".

        After endurance, Russianness in Ukraine will no longer remain.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 04 New
          0
          Ingvar 72
          After endurance, Russianness in Ukraine will no longer remain.


          .... and in the ruin ... will increase! smile
      5. Alekseev
        Alekseev 11 November 2015 14: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The outskirts must "mature"

        That's right!
        In addition, in the Russian Federation at present there simply is not enough troops to occupy a huge territory and million-plus cities without mobilization (the basis for which, in the form of parts of the frame, must also be restored).
        In Ukraine, several hundred thousand banderlogs who will provide armed resistance will always be gathered with the help of the West.
        And there is no extra money for this, but for the "support" of the population in the occupied territory, too.
        Let them ripen. The West will not contain 40 million Svidomo, it is necessary to work, to be friends with neighbors, and not to jump.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 06 New
          0
          Alekseev
          Let them ripen. 40 million Svidomo


          ... in the ruin ... no 40 million ...... smile
      6. mihasik
        mihasik 11 November 2015 15: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The outskirts must "mature". When the understanding that the freebie is over will not mature in my head, the Russian Federation will not feed and support. All tantrums about the drain will end, you just have to show restraint.

        Yeah, wait. If at the beginning, after the Maidan Ukrainian madhouse, there were 15-17% of the total population of Ukraine "galloping", now, two years later, the number of those supporting the current system is already approaching 50%. Looking forward to seeing 100% of the mind washed?)
        Watch Ukrainian TV channels continuously for a week, and then ask yourself who you are for.
        And then you look and "Dill" will get. (No offense). People are really being brainwashed there day by day. And the further this continues, the worse it will be for us. We already have such a mournful example in the Baltics.
        And what to do, personally, I do not know.
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 08 New
          +1
          mihasik
          If at the beginning, after the Maidan Ukrainian madhouse, there were 15-17% of the total population of Ukraine "galloping", now, two years later, the number of those supporting the current system is already approaching 50%.


          ...... alas .... the figure does not increase .... but catastrophically ..... decreases .... and this scares the parasite and the parasites ... smile
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 11 November 2015 17: 18 New
            0
            Quote: EGOrkka
            mihasik
            If at the beginning, after the Maidan Ukrainian madhouse, there were 15-17% of the total population of Ukraine "galloping", now, two years later, the number of those supporting the current system is already approaching 50%.


            ...... alas .... the figure does not increase .... but catastrophically ..... decreases .... and this scares the parasite and the parasites ... smile

            I would like to believe, but the reality of optimism does not add. The number of support is decreasing relative to ukrovlasti, but the number of hatred of Russia is increasing. Here is such a perdimanocle.
            1. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 49 New
              0
              mihasik
              but the number of hatred of Russia is increasing


              ... you just badly know Ukrainians ..... and he dill as he was a stupid vegetable and will remain with them. Stubborn for 2 years as ... free ... from the brain. bully
            2. c3r
              c3r 11 November 2015 18: 07 New
              0
              Love for the European Union is increasing? But they will not let them go there, as well as into the hated Russia. Africa remains to the lads, although .. there are enough of their own hungry people, but as an option through Africa to Europe! hi
        2. liuk gud
          liuk gud 1 December 2015 21: 55 New
          0
          my family heard this year, but only strengthened in opinion - this is all nonsense. And there are people in the same way related to these TV channels. It is simply easier for the majority to convince themselves that this is true than to recognize themselves as suckers.
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      8. Victorio
        Victorio 11 November 2015 22: 50 New
        0
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The outskirts must "mature". When the understanding that the freebie is over will not mature in my head, the Russian Federation will not feed and support. All tantrums about the drain will end, you just have to show restraint.

        ===
        the active part of the population is embroiled in dill by patriotism, the flushing is similar in schools, the business is targeting Europe (local examples: the percentage of Ukrainian products has grown significantly in stores, the purchase of a Liepāja metallurgical plant by a Ukrainian businessman is allegedly going to invest in a local airline). the rest is the opposition minority, and even those who were silent / are silent / will be silent. well, they’ll throw off this government, the next will be the same.
    2. Riv
      Riv 11 November 2015 07: 16 New
      +2
      Do you mean the Foundling Bear?
    3. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 11 November 2015 07: 30 New
      39
      Here is the poster of the super-action movie director V. Nuland, producer D. Soros - "At the Bottom"
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 08: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Galich Kos
      but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.

      And whose gunpowder took the place of the president?
      1. Petrol
        Petrol 11 November 2015 08: 49 New
        0
        Alexander Romanov
        "And Gunpowder at whose filing took the president's place?"
        with the filing of Americans (in the sense of the State Department)
    5. volot-voin
      volot-voin 11 November 2015 09: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: Galich Kos
      Indeed, no matter how cattle and scum Poroshenko was, but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.

      Which is better? Poroshenko delivered not with the filing of the Americans?
    6. tomket
      tomket 11 November 2015 09: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: Galich Kos
      but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.

      What is the difference between one Gauleiter of Kiev and another Gauleiter of Kiev? Well, maybe the second one will drink less ....
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 11 November 2015 10: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: tomket
        What is the difference between one Gauleiter of Kiev and another Gauleiter of Kiev? Well, maybe the second one will drink less ....

        Drinking will become less - hanging will become more. Next time, a real ideological fascist will become president
        1. Good me
          Good me 11 November 2015 10: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Egoza
          Next time, a real ideological fascist will become president


          How many "next times" are Ukrainians ready to endure?

          And how much does our leadership have "iron nerves" to endure what is happening?
        2. volot-voin
          volot-voin 11 November 2015 11: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          . Next time, a real ideological fascist will become president

          "The darker the night, the sooner the dawn."
    7. 222222
      222222 11 November 2015 10: 00 New
      0
      ... read the last Beard interview ...
      http://www.politnavigator.net/aleksandr-borodajj-ukraina-vsjo-ravno-raspadjotsya
      .html
    8. Finches
      Finches 11 November 2015 10: 08 New
      +2
      Comrades, I’ll tell you one thing without details! By the way, it will also be noted by the fans of Serdyukovshchina - the Supreme Commander, even with a great desire, could not send troops, and they had to be sent, unambiguously, for one reason - troops and military infrastructure in the western direction for an offensive operation of such a scale, and of any scale, we did not have .... The fruits of reform! Realizing this top leadership of the country and the Ministry of Defense, they immediately adopted appropriate decisions, including on the military policy of the DPR and LPR!
      1. Good me
        Good me 11 November 2015 10: 25 New
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        Comrades, I’ll tell you one thing without details! By the way, it will also be noted by the fans of Serdyukovshchina - the Supreme Commander, even with a great desire, could not send troops, and they had to be sent, unambiguously, for one reason - troops and military infrastructure in the western direction for an offensive operation of such a scale, and of any scale, we did not have .... The fruits of reform! Realizing this top leadership of the country and the Ministry of Defense, they immediately adopted appropriate decisions, including on the military policy of the DPR and LPR!


        I don’t presume to analyze your post, and delve into the details of what forces were necessary at that time (generally favorable) ...
        I only note that the GREAT transfer of our troops, during a sudden check of combat readiness (150000, if I am not mistaken), from the West to the East of the country showed that nothing is impossible ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 November 2015 10: 30 New
          0
          Everything is much more complicated ...! But thank God a lesson was learned and now the process has begun! hi
    9. Down House
      Down House 11 November 2015 10: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Galich Kos
      no matter how cattle and scum Poroshenko was, but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.

      You are something weird, he just took his place "with the filing of the Americans" - so vryatli could be something worse.
    10. Turkir
      Turkir 11 November 2015 14: 52 New
      0
      no matter how cattle and scum Poroshenko was, but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.

      This is a deep thought.
      But it seems to us that radish horseradish is not sweeter.
    11. c3r
      c3r 11 November 2015 15: 17 New
      0
      I like your confidence that the US State Department did not put Parashenka. And then let me clarify. For your childish spontaneity, you are a plus! lol
    12. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 15: 51 New
      0
      Galich Kos
      Poroshenko, but he is still better than the one who, at the suggestion of the Americans, can take his place.


      .... and they chose the Parashnya PSSh-if you do not believe it, then call the ruin and ask: 1. Could it be that without Maidan, could a Jew be elected president of Ukraine? 2. Could the Ukrainians before the Maidan, choose the president of the person with the name Poroshenko, what would later be called officially parasites and parasites? 3. It would be possible to choose in Ukraine, without Maidan in one round? ..... in 90 out of 100 they answered NO to me !! hi
    13. Orionvit
      Orionvit 11 November 2015 21: 10 New
      0
      More cattle and scum than Poroshenko to be impossible.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 12 November 2015 04: 47 New
        0
        Orionvit
        More cattle and scum than Poroshenko to be impossible.



        ... yes you are an optimist .... you are completely wrong .... in a clip ...... heroes ruins .... and find a bit more rude ... revolutions of hydnities .... all the rottenness on threw up the top ... like foam ... for purely objective reasons ... who was smarter ... just ... WENT OUT hi
  2. Magic archer
    Magic archer 11 November 2015 07: 07 New
    40
    The dill government doesn’t need peace. Under the war with Russia, you can get loans! And under the world, who will give them ?! Hungry people and poverty ..
  3. DOMINO
    DOMINO 11 November 2015 07: 11 New
    24
    the slogan "Putin, bring in the troops" is from the evil one. Typical swings - some for the war, others - "Russia, hands off Ukraine." Both are one team, in fact. Because both options can lead to a crash with a high degree of probability, which is what the "third party" wants. The reasoning of the "majority" on the subject of "putinslil" \ annexed and so on. - criminally children.
    The whole problem is that the Crimean scenario was impossible in Novorossia, and Putin knew this very well. there, too, as in the Crimea were carried out in advance. polls on the topic of loyalty to Russia and the possibility of joining it, HOWEVER, about no 90% support, as it was in the Crimea and Sevastopopl not even talked about. It has barely exceeded 50% there. And this means that many of the "hohlyatskayakhitrost" like yours and ours was on their minds. And if something happened, these remaining 50% of the "Donbas" would then shoot us in the back. DO WE NEED IT? DOES PUTIN NEED THIS? Why suck something out of the finger, when the president openly announced that he should rule out the issues of accession. The PEOPLE of Novorossia, meaning the monolithic support of the majority, and not what, a part full of separatism and indifference and dependent sentiments will then muddy the waters, just as part of the Crimean Tatars tried to do during the events of the annexation of the peninsula. In addition: the conflict in Ukraine has no military solution. The destructive psychodynamics of a split society, brainwashed by anti-Russian propaganda, should "burn out" and be discharged, and the brains should fall into place, so that they will not jump anymore and not even think. To do this, Ukraine will have to go through all the charms of the dashing 90s, hunger, cold, limitlessness, and so on "charms" of independence. This is the only way long-term historical memory comes.
    1. The lead
      The lead 11 November 2015 07: 57 New
      12
      Doubtful statements in the article. According to Kamenev, the Russian Federation is preparing for the third world war, which will begin after the invasion of Ukraine in 2020 laughing What grief writers smoke there is interesting. In general, the Kremlin’s policy towards Ukraine is to prevent Ukraine’s integration into the economic and military organizations of the West. The adoption of Crimea into the Russian Federation is probably the key to the impossibility of this integration. Everything would be wonderful for the Kremlin, but Strelkov would appear on the field of ideological confrontation. Gubarev, Mozgovoy and others, who vividly declared the possibility and necessity of a different path for Russia, and the tribune of Slavyansk and Donbass allowed them to convey their position to the entire Russian people. The essence of their political position is that they consider the collapse of the USSR a crime, and those who directly ruined the USSR as criminals. The Kremlin knows what position it takes in relation to the traitors who destroyed the USSR: it awards them with orders and erects monuments to them. The main goal of the Donbass militia was to unite the Russian people into a single state of social justice, without oligarchs, corruption, theft , capital and brain drain, for the equality of all before the law. In the Kremlin’s internal policy, nothing happens at all, apparently everyone is happy. In foreign policy, the Kremlin recognizes the collapse of the USSR as a historical fact and does not intend to defend the national interests of the Russian people to create a single state. Based on this, the political position of Strelkov and other Donbass militia warriors can be described as the Kremlin’s patriotic, political position as liberal. In the fundamental divergence of political positions lies the reason for Strelkov’s criticism in the media. As for the assassination of Gubarev, the murder of Mozgovov and Bednov, I don’t have any evidence of a certain party’s involvement in these crimes. Like Strelkov so far alive, very surprised and happy for him, I hope that he can still work for the good of the country.
    2. Oman 47
      Oman 47 11 November 2015 09: 03 New
      0
      Supporters of the introduction of troops into Ukraine in 2014. did not conclude from the entry of troops into Grozny in 1994.
      The entry of troops into Chechnya then opposed even the most ardent opponents of Dudaev from among the Chechens.

      Correctly GDP took Skakunlandiya to asphyxiation; maybe - and harder it would have to be strangled with ECONOMIC levers.

      The mattress sat down to play checkers with a chess player ...
      Time already shows that 1,5 years ago, GDP as a whole did the right thing.
      1. tomket
        tomket 11 November 2015 09: 52 New
        12
        Quote: Oman 47
        Correctly GDP took Skakunlandiya to asphyxiation; maybe - and harder it would have to be strangled with ECONOMIC levers.

        Delivery of gas and coal without prepayment? Straight after fiercely pressing the enemy .... Have you noticed that Ukraine has severed all economic ties? And so we would still buy both "Mtor-Sich" and turbines, and probably the Antonovs ...
        1. Oman 47
          Oman 47 11 November 2015 10: 38 New
          0
          If you quote - read ATTENTIVELY.
          You should not attribute to me your speculations to my phrase.
        2. mihasik
          mihasik 11 November 2015 17: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: tomket
          Delivery of gas and coal without prepayment? Straight after fiercely pressing the enemy .... Have you noticed that Ukraine has severed all economic ties? And so we would still buy both "Mtor-Sich" and turbines, and probably the Antonovs ...

          And who were there to "choke"? It was the Americans who gave the command to stifle Russian business in Ukraine. From there, all contract breaks. But there is still something left there. Therefore, free gas and coal with electricity. We chose the least of evils - free resources in exchange for preserving assets. Along the way.
          List of enterprises with Russian participation in Ukraine:
          Prominvestbank (state of the Russian Federation)
          Sberbank of Russia (state of the Russian Federation)
          VTB Bank (state of the Russian Federation)
          "Industrial Union of Donbass" (50% - Alexander Katunin)
          Alfa Bank (Alfa Group by Mikhail Fridman)
          "Megapolis-Ukraine" (Igor Kesaev)
          Donetskstal (Victor Nusenkis)
          Zaporizhstal (50% - Alexander Katunin)
          Kyivstar (Mikhail Fridman's Alfa Group)
          TNK-BP Commerce (Rosneft)
          "Energostandart" (Konstantin Grigorishin)
          "MTS-Ukraine" ("AFK Sistema" Vladimir Evtushenko)
          YGOK (Evraz by Roman Abramovich)
          VS Energy International (Alexander Babakov)
          Lukoil-Ukraine (Lukoil Vagit Alikperov)
          "Gazprom sbyt Ukraine" (state of the Russian Federation)
          Krukovka Carriages (25% - Stanislav Gamzalov)
          Evraz Ukraine (Roman Abramovich)
          "Alliance oil Ukraine" (Bazhaev brothers)
          "Zaporozhtransformator" (Konstantin Grigorishin)
          Karpatneftekhim (Lukoil Vagit Alikperov)
          Nikolaev Alumina Plant (Oleg Deripaska)
          DEMZ (Vadim Varshavsky)
          "Ocean Plaza" (Arkady Rotenberg)
          "Luganskteplovoz" (Alisher Usmanov)
          M.S.L. ("Alpha groups" by Mikhail Fridman)
          "Patriot" (Finstar Oleg Boyko)
          Pobuzhsky Ferronickel Plant (Alexander Bronstein)
          KrymTETs (Konstantin Grigorishin)
          "Ukrainian agricultural investments" (Mikhail Prokhorov)
          Energomashspetsstal (50% - Rosatom)
          "Dneprometiz" (Alexey Mordashov)
          Ingo Ukraine (Ingosstrakh)
          "Providna" ("Rosgosstrakh")
          Alfa Insurance (Mikhail Fridman's Alfa Group)
          container terminal "Illichivsk" (Global Ports)
          "Premier Palace" (Alexander Babakov)
          "Pharmstandard-Biolek" ("Pharmstandard")
          Draw your own conclusions ....
      2. The lead
        The lead 11 November 2015 10: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Oman 47
        Supporters of the introduction of troops into Ukraine in 2014. did not conclude from the entry of troops into Grozny in 1994.
        These are completely different, incomparable situations. Green men were introduced into Crimea, blocked Ukrainian military bases and what started the third world war, rivers of blood spilled? And where then were all these irreconcilable fighters for the integrity of Ukraine, did not come from all over Ukraine and did not arrange in Crimea the second Chechnya? Do not tell.
        Quote: Oman 47
        Right GDP took Skakunlandiya
        What is the correctness? Already now all of Ukraine could be part of the Russian Federation.
        1. Oman 47
          Oman 47 11 November 2015 10: 35 New
          +2
          Crimea and Ukraine are heaven and earth, it is incorrect to compare.
          Crimea was ready and he came.
          Ukraine - not yet ripe.
          1. The lead
            The lead 11 November 2015 11: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: Oman 47
            Crimea and Ukraine are heaven and earth, it is incorrect to compare.
            Crimea was ready and he came.
            Ukraine - not yet ripe.
            These are only mantra-spells, facts-zero. Explain why the option of returning to power of Yanukovych was impossible.
            1. Oman 47
              Oman 47 11 November 2015 12: 34 New
              0
              For such steps you need a LEADER and PERSONALITY.

              Remember the "soft" characterization of Yanukovych's GDP in March last year, when he was evacuated to the Crimea and Rostov.

              It is ours and yours; political fallen woman, POLITICAL CORPSE!
              1. The lead
                The lead 11 November 2015 13: 14 New
                0
                Quote: Oman 47
                For such steps you need a LEADER and PERSONALITY.
                Everything is correct, only to take steps it was not found either in the Russian Federation or in Ukraine.
                1. Oman 47
                  Oman 47 11 November 2015 20: 06 New
                  0
                  The Sage.
                  DEMAGOGY - the engine of "plus signs" and virtual shoulder straps.

                  Without respect.
                  1. The lead
                    The lead 11 November 2015 20: 19 New
                    -1
                    Haha, you're like a thief who sees thieves in everyone.
                    Quote: Oman 47
                    Crimea and Ukraine are heaven and earth, it is incorrect to compare.
                    Crimea was ready and he came.
                    Ukraine - not yet ripe.
                    The narrow Sharikov consciousness is capable of only flat cheers-patriotic slogans, with the help of which many here earn virtual general and marshal epaulets.
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 11 New
              0
              The lead
              Explain why the option of returning to power of Yanukovych was impossible.


              .... himself ... Yanukovych
              1. The lead
                The lead 11 November 2015 16: 50 New
                0
                Quote: EGOrkka
                .... himself ... Yanukovych
                And what does Yanukovych have to do with it, if it would be used only as a screen?
                1. EGOrkka
                  EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 52 New
                  0
                  The lead
                  just like a screen?


                  .... the performers are divided into those who can ... and who should. Yanukovych-can not ... he is a real WALL ... however, like Poroshenko ... but a Jew bully
                  1. The lead
                    The lead 11 November 2015 20: 04 New
                    0
                    Quote: EGOrkka
                    .. the performers are divided into those who can ... and who should. Yanukovych-can not.
                    Do you understand the meaning of the word screen in this context?
                    1. EGOrkka
                      EGOrkka 12 November 2015 05: 31 New
                      0
                      The lead
                      Do you understand the meaning of the word screen in this context?



                      ..... that is the point ... perhaps it would have worked if he had been ... a FLAG !!! hi
            3. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 11 November 2015 22: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Lead
              Explain why the option of returning to power of Yanukovych was impossible.

              Because Yanukovych hated almost the entire population, with the exception of the Crimea and part of the Donbass. But these territories are saved from hunt.
        2. Oman 47
          Oman 47 11 November 2015 12: 29 New
          +2
          Make laugh just you, juggling and grabbing pieces of what I said.
          I did not compare Chechnya with Crimea at all - with Ukraine (see above).

          Enter Ukraine in 2014? At what cost? Are you ready to send your son to war? Ready to support and raise a poor, plundered country, at your own expense?
          1. The lead
            The lead 11 November 2015 15: 31 New
            0
            I just do not grab anything and do not distort. Crimea showed as an example a bloodless conflict.
            Quote: Oman 47
            Enter Ukraine in 2014? At what cost?
            There would be no war if troops were deployed under the cover of Yanukovych’s screen.
            Quote: Oman 47
            Are you ready to send your son to war?
            You still talk about the tear of a child. If you are a liberal, maybe the site made a mistake?
            Quote: Oman 47
            Ready to support and raise a poor, plundered country, at your own expense?
            Ukraine is an industrial and agrarian country, with reasonable leadership the economy can quickly get on its feet, so your cries are not related to reality.
            1. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 57 New
              0
              The lead
              an example of bloodless conflict.


              ... a bloodless conflict was in Czechoslovakia, as a result, the Czech Republic and Slovakia were formed. The basis of the conflict in Ukraine is the revenge of the Zapodents, who need aunts for a comfortable existence. Maidan screen. bully
        3. c3r
          c3r 11 November 2015 18: 19 New
          0
          You will remember the map of Crimea and understand that the irreconcilable wrestlers could get to the Crimea only through Perekop, but it was blocked, therefore they did not get. And in the mainland Ukraine, the border will be more or less even not equipped. Warriors, which academy you finished, the assessment of the situation is not only and not so much the attitude of the local population, but also about the 10 factors each unaccounted of which can oh so podgadit!
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 11 November 2015 22: 08 New
            0
            Quote: c3r
            You will remember the map of Crimea and understand that the irreconcilable wrestlers could get to the Crimea only through Perekop, but it was blocked, therefore they did not get. And in the mainland Ukraine, the border will be more or less even not equipped. Warriors, which academy you finished, the assessment of the situation is not only and not so much the attitude of the local population, but also about the 10 factors each unaccounted of which can oh so podgadit!

            More could through airports and by sea
            1. c3r
              c3r 11 November 2015 23: 52 New
              0
              If you wish, you won’t spend so many wrestlers both at sea and through airports. You are tormented by loading oranges with boxes. In general, this is nonsense to massively send people you need a land border and everything else is a sea or airborne landing, and this is a full-fledged military operation.
        4. Dart2027
          Dart2027 11 November 2015 20: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Lead
          And where then were all these implacable fighters for the integrity of Ukraine, did not come from all over Ukraine

          The first thing that was done was to block the bandit formations from entering Crimea. In addition there was an effect of surprise. With all of Ukraine, such a number will not work.
        5. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 11 November 2015 22: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Lead
          where were all these irreconcilable fighters for the integrity of Ukraine then, did not come together from all over Ukraine and did not arrange a second Chechnya in Crimea?

          That is the point of the fact that the Crimea and the then Ukraine are two different worlds. Krymchane would simply let the Bander into their hands.
          And it’s not entirely correct to compare Ukraine with Chechnya and Georgia. With Afgan and Finland, it is possible. Natsik
      3. stas-xnumx
        stas-xnumx 11 November 2015 10: 24 New
        0
        I agree, only leverage would be bigger and tougher ...
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 38 New
          0
          ... it's like a sashko beat the prosecutor ... "treated"?
    3. tomket
      tomket 11 November 2015 09: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: DOMINO
      The whole problem is that the Crimean scenario was impossible in New Russia, and Putin knew this very well - because there, too, as in the Crimea were carried out in advance.

      Until one moment I didn’t know (the transfer of troops to the border), and then he received his sight?
      Quote: DOMINO
      HOWEVER about any 90% support

      Another head of the election commission on our head ....
      Quote: DOMINO
      these remaining 50% of "Donbas"

      Well, yes, probably Brain would shoot, Bezler, Givi would shoot ...
      Quote: DOMINO
      . DO WE NEED IT? DOES THIS PUTIN NEED?

      Was Stalin NEEDED to liberate Western Ukraine? That's the difference between a great ruler and a half-measure prince ....
    4. Good me
      Good me 11 November 2015 10: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: DOMINO
      the slogan "Putin, bring in the troops" is from the evil one.


      Maybe so...

      But let us remember the history of the emergence of this "slogan", the material on which it is "based".

      To the "primary sources", so to speak ...

      A WORD, NOT A SPARROW ...
      1. The lead
        The lead 11 November 2015 11: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Good Me
        A WORD, NOT A SPARROW ...
        Good video, post it constantly when it comes to Donbass.
        1. Good me
          Good me 11 November 2015 11: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Lead
          Good video, post it constantly when it comes to Donbass.


          Banned for "spam" hi
      2. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 11 November 2015 13: 23 New
        -4
        Since the conversation has come about whether Putin does not keep his word, or that Russia does nothing to protect the DPR, are there really those who need to explain what is already clear to many, but it is customary not to talk about it, are you really so naive? do you really think that the militias themselves smashed the boilers? in short, purely for their own people, but in order to keep silent and not to shout about it anywhere, their time will be made public, as was the case with the little men in Crimea.
        first the first video, then the second.

        PS There was on this site, for a long time, an interview with one militia who talked about the "northern people", in short, you can't understand it officially, well, in any way, but somehow Russia helps, all the spills are provocateurs and liberal mouthpieces.
        1. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 11 November 2015 13: 26 New
          -1
          the second video is also a hint, although it says in plain text.
          1. Lee_Mubai
            Lee_Mubai 11 November 2015 16: 08 New
            +1
            Fluently tells! everything was pretty convincing until the moment when he mentioned the name of the radio station "voice of freedom"!
            1. Max_Bauder
              Max_Bauder 12 November 2015 09: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Li_Mubai
              Fluently tells! everything was pretty convincing until the moment when he mentioned the name of the radio station "voice of freedom"!


              And give it to you on the first channel or in Russia 24? laughing but
          2. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 33 New
            +1
            ... volunteers from Russia and the Russian army are two big differences .... In Syria, the Russian army .... and you can see the difference for yourself ..... but not on RuinoSMI ..... there are Russian tanks. ..for 1.5 years already rushing to Kiev .... Either Russian tanks ... are the most "slow" in the world .. or dill is the most ... stupid ... bully
        2. The lead
          The lead 11 November 2015 14: 29 New
          +5
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Since the conversation turned to the fact that Putin is not keeping his word, or that Russia is not doing anything to protect the DPR,
          You are naive. Watch the video with GDP above. In it, GDP says that Russian troops will enter the territory of Ukraine if the Ukrainian troops unleash the fighting, and ukraine will not seem enough, especially to those who gave these orders. And what we really had : Strelkov defends Slavyansk, the Ukrainians stick, and where is the promised help from the Russian Federation? It got to the point that Strelkov was forced to leave Slavyansk in order to defend Donetsk, which was completely unprotected. And when the Ukrainians completely believed that the words GDP were bluff, became insolent and began to surround the militia, cut them off from the border, finally, there were forces that drove ukrov. However, for some reason they stopped in front of Mariupol, didn’t take it and stopped the attack altogether. But what about the warnings of the GDP that Ukrainians will regret, especially those who gave the orders? Something there is no regrets either among the performers or the organizers of the war in the Donbass.
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          do you really think that the militias themselves smashed the boilers?
          You are a very naive person if you believe that we do not know the actual state of affairs.
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          all mergers are provocateurs and liberal horns.
          You are using outrageous patriotic slogans. The fact is that the Kremlin did not use the possibility of Ukraine joining the Russian Federation, it also delayed the provision of assistance to the rebellious people of Donbass, and then the offensive was stopped, the rebellious region was divided into two states, the leaders of the uprising were supplanted or eliminated (it’s just a fact, I don’t blame any side). Did the Russian patriots expect such a development of events listening to the statements of the GDP? So I watched this video then and was sure that WARS CAN BE AVOIDED, because that was the message contained in In the words of VVP.RF AS THE GUARANTEE OF SECURITY OF THE PEOPLE OF DONBASS. And where are these guarantees now?
          1. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 12 November 2015 09: 23 New
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            Quote: Lead
            The Kremlin did not use the possibility of Ukraine joining the Russian Federation,

            You asked the Ukrainians if they want to join or not? even if the majority understands that the junta is not right, but they will not join yet.
            Quote: Lead
            also delayed the provision of assistance to the rebellious people of Donbass

            is humanitarian assistance not important?
            Quote: Lead
            and then the offensive was stopped

            all of a sudden smile what artillery did not think? long-range and counter-battery fire! almost not all former military can do this.
            Quote: Lead
            Did the Russian patriots expect such a development of events while listening to the statements of the GDP?

            expectation does not always coincide with reality - the law of life, the Communists also did not expect their descendants to ruin such a country. Still, patriots apparently manage the state, from their bell tower it seems as simple as driving a car, the reality is different, you don’t have to draw on the fence, you have to take everything into account and the GDP is doing everything right, Starikov well told his plan, google it. Russia needs the DNI as part of Ukraine, but as an autonomous republic with special rights.
            Quote: Lead
            WARS CAN BE AVOIDED

            So they avoided the war with NATO and the United States, or do you think Putin should have pecked at the bait of the West, and they counted on this having arranged the Maidan, to unleash a large-scale war like in Afghanistan? Sorry, but now the forces of Russia are not so great as to officially invade, tea is not 1979, but it does everything possible. And once again I say, go to the Donbass and ask who is fighting there on the side of the militias, all the local people will testify that 80% are Russians from Russia. The infantry is local, the artillery is Russian.
          2. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 12 November 2015 09: 48 New
            0
            Quote: Lead
            And what did we really have: Strelkov defends Slavyansk, Ukrainians rod, but where is the promised help from the Russian Federation? It got to the point that Strelkov was forced to leave Slavyansk in order to defend Donetsk


            By the way, about this type, this story is muddy, time will tell which side he was on, while the whole truth is not there, who is he? where from? what purpose did he have? there is a version that the agent who performed his role, who was then recalled, but there is still such a possibility, maybe I suspect that from the Don or other Cossacks, who are not for the Russian but Slavic world, nationalists, according to Putin, are not needed, but my opinion is purely on this score, but about Zakharchenko, this is another matter, I’m sure - he fought for and defends the DPR.
        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 11 November 2015 14: 32 New
          +8
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Since the conversation has come about the fact that Putin does not keep his word, or that Russia does nothing for DNR protection.
          do you really think that the militias themselves smashed the boilers?
          Even if the "boilers" were not being smashed by the militias, what does this have to do with the defense of the DPR and Putin's words?

          And when we see this, we then understand what worries the citizens of Ukraine - both Russians and Ukrainians, in general, the Russian-speaking population living in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine. What bothers them? They are worried about such chaos. And if we see that this chaos begins in the eastern regions, if people ask us for help, and we already have an official appeal from the current legitimate president, then we reserve the right to use all means at our disposal to protect these citizens.

          Well, how did you help "Russians and Ukrainians, in general the Russian-speaking population living in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine"?

          Have you stopped "this chaos"?


          The creation of a buffer zone for Crimea at the expense of the Donbass is not a help, and not the protection of an unrecognized DPR - the cutting of virtual New Russia.
          And all the more so not to protect "Russians and Ukrainians, the Russian-speaking population in general."

          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 24 New
            0
            .... and what in the Donbass right sector steers?
          2. Max_Bauder
            Max_Bauder 12 November 2015 09: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Uncle Joe
            Even if the "boilers" were not being smashed by the militias, what does this have to do with the defense of the DPR and Putin's words?


            the most direct, without Russian help, the APU, no matter how old the weapon, no matter how morally decomposed the army it was, would still have killed the militias in 2014, this is in the movie Rambo who shoots everyone with one machine gun, in life the brave die first. The numerical superiority is important, especially in the era of automatic weapons, especially when you can shamelessly shoot at peaceful ones, especially when the West began to arm and train. Without Russia, the DPR was doomed, there would be occupation, raiding and hunting for all the militias until they shot the latter, and all life under the junta, when a gang of Bandera would catch and without trial and investigation deal with all dissenters, laymen were also in ordinary life all the charms of the 90s, with low salaries, high prices, utilities, food, total impoverishment, due to the fact that all the money from the resources would go to the capital. It is thanks to Russia that the DPR authorities can now demand a different attitude towards themselves from a position of strength. Minsk and others under whose supervision spend? Of Russia. However, you are ungrateful.
            1. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 12 November 2015 15: 42 New
              0
              Quote: Max_Bauder
              without Russian help
              The Russian Federation has already been renamed into Russia, or into units of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, conducting hostilities in the territory of a neighboring state without declaring warwere selected based on the prevalence of a particular haplogroup?

              Without Russia, the DPR was doomed, there would be occupation
              Occupation by whom and why - APU of the territory recognized by the Russian Federation for Ukraine?

              and life under the junta
              Where do you see the junta? There is no junta - there is a legitimate, legitimate, recognized by the Russian authorities Ukrainian authorities - partners.

              It is thanks to Russia that the DPR authorities are now
              What kind of authorities? The President of the Russian Federation told you in Russian that Donbass is the territory of Ukraine (with all that it implies)


              Therefore, I repeat the question - did you help "Russians and Ukrainians, in general, the Russian-speaking population living in the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine"? Have you stopped "this chaos"?

              And I remind you - the statement was made by an official. Therefore, be so kind as to point your finger at the official help that stopped "this kind of chaos."
      3. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 22 New
        0
        1. ..... well, in the Crimea ... and didn’t twitch ..
        2. ..... well, in the Donbass and flew off .....
        3. ...... and Lugansk was taken ... was not
        4..Read when the president revoked permission for military operations in Ukraine ?!

        The Russian Army in Syria is bombing ...... but it was not in the ruin yet! So do not confuse the hell ... with a radish. bully
    5. Aleksander
      Aleksander 11 November 2015 10: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: DOMINO
      And if something happened, these remaining 50% of the "Donbas" would then shoot us in the back. DO WE NEED IT? DOES PUTIN NEED THIS?


      Now tell me, WHEN in the history of Russia Novorossiya, built and populated by Russia - shot at least once in the back of Russia?
      Western, Central Ruin, yes, it happened, and often. But Novorossia never, for it is part of Russia, its South-West. Dnepropetrovsk-called at birth-Novorossiysk, Odessasouthern capital of Russia.
      1. NyeMoNik70
        NyeMoNik70 11 November 2015 12: 31 New
        +4
        Thank you for "... for it is a part of Russia, its South-West. Dnepropetrovsk was called at birth Novorossiysk, Odessa is the southern capital of Russia."
        Special thanks to "... Odessa is the southern capital of Russia." hi good drinks
  4. Mera joota
    Mera joota 11 November 2015 07: 16 New
    27
    Another eye pull on ... An incoherent lowing with absolutely incomprehensible conclusions, what did the author want to say? Unclear.
    Was it necessary to send troops (officially naturally)? No, of course, because the result would be exactly the same.
    Here, many draw parallels between Stalin and Putin, but they are not. Stalin would subjugate Ukraine without military operations, the destruction of infrastructure and without any sanctions from Europe and the United States.
    In no case would Stalin hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation BEFORE solving the main issue. He would have created his own Ukraine in Crimea with the legitimate President Yanukovych, Prime Minister Azarov, would have created the "Ukrainian Liberation Army" and would have started a "liberation campaign" from Crimea and Donbass under the flag of Ukraine. It does not matter what kind of eye shape the soldiers of this army would have, the main thing is that the president of Ukraine "commands" it. Given the state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for 2014. there would be no resistance.
    At least a minimum program would be implemented, the entire south of Ukraine would remain under Russia right up to Transnistria. NOBODY in the world could have farted against Russia, for Yanukovych is fighting, not Russia. Therefore, already Yanukovych can hold any referendum on joining Russia and becomes the head of another republic within the federation. And let Obama and others throw poop at Yanukovych, there would be no reason for sanctions against Russia.
    That is what Stalin would have done.
    1. The lead
      The lead 11 November 2015 08: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Mera Joota
      the entire south of Ukraine would remain under Russia right up to Transnistria.
      Well done. He also came to the same conclusions. However, relying on Yanukovych, he could be returned to Kiev, he could regain control of the whole Ukraine, and green men with insignia of the Ukrainian armed forces could stand in the vicinity of Lviv. after the truth that the Ukrainians would be a single people and should live in a single state would be revealed to Ukrainians, a referendum is held and all of Ukraine is part of the Russian Federation.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 08: 19 New
        +4
        Quote: Lead
        However, relying on Yanukovych, it was possible to return him to Kiev, he could regain control of all of Ukraine

        1. Yanukovych crap in the eyes of the West of Ukraine and the East.
        2. He is a coward.
        3. And why the heck Russia needs it with it - Our choice is Europe.
        Quote: Lead
        .In Ukraine, all media are returned to the state, after the truth was revealed to Ukrainians that we are a single people and should live in a single state, a referendum is held and all Ukraine is part of the Russian Federation

        With such thinking you need to arrange world revolutions.
        1. The lead
          The lead 11 November 2015 08: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          1. Yanukovych crap in the eyes of the West of Ukraine and the East.
          2. He is a coward.
          3. And why the heck Russia needs it with it - Our choice is Europe.
          All this would not matter; Yanukovych would be used as a screen.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Lead
            All this would not matter; Yanukovych would be used as a screen.

            And then what to do with it? Who needs power if it rests only on bayonets, and even a soldier of another state. By the way, Crimea would have to be returned or Yanukovych would become a complete traitor in the eyes of the whole country.
            1. The lead
              The lead 11 November 2015 10: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And then what to do with it?
              Ukraine would become part of the Russian Federation, and Yanukovych would gain a warm place in the government of the Russian Federation, for example, vice president, in Russian history would stand on a par with Bogdan Khmelnitsky, would become a national hero, a unifier of Russian lands.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Who needs power if it rests only on bayonets, and even a soldier of another state
              Why only with bayonets? Yanukovych could be in the hands of the media, with competent leadership from the Kremlin, the Ukrainian people could be told the truth, ideological reformatting could be carried out. The main thing is that there would be no any significant armed resistance to the green men. to shoot in Kiev so that all this riffraff would be convinced of the seriousness of intentions, after which they would all run away, and the authorities would only need to catch activists.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Crimea would have to be returned
              Where and why, I don’t understand? Crimea, together with Ukraine, would have become part of the Russian Federation.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yanukovych would become a complete traitor in the eyes of the whole country.
              A traitor only in the eyes of the Ukrainian fascists, of whom there is a minority in Ukraine, one can simply spit on their opinion.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 11 November 2015 23: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: Lead
                Yanukovych could have media in his hands, with competent leadership from the Kremlin, it would be possible to reveal the truth to the Ukrainian people, to carry out ideological reformatting

                "The most annoying thing is that in the information war, the one who tells the truth always loses. He is limited by the truth, and a liar can carry anything." (Robert Sheckley)
                The problem is that they would not want to believe the truth. It's so great to consider yourself a "white man and a European", and "unwashed quilted jackets" as savages and subhumans. It is much less pleasant to admit that you were divorced as the last ... and in the eyes of Europe you are nothing.
                1. The lead
                  The lead 12 November 2015 05: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  in the information war, the one who speaks the truth always loses.
                  This is Goebbelsian logic, do you really agree with it? The success in the information war is not whether they tell the truth or not, but as the quality of the information. I don’t argue that the truth is behind us? Truth is something that makes it much easier to conduct propaganda.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The problem is that the truth would not want to believe.
                  There is no need for the entire population of Ukraine to support reunification with the Russian Federation, it is enough to provide a simple majority. Look: put on all channels journalists who will talk about the history of Ukraine with a clever look, will debunk Ukrainian nationalism, Ukrainian "heroes", including modern ones, show the state of the economy of the USSR and what happened to the economy of Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR with the citation of sources, documents and all this every day in primetime. Believe me, there is a significant part of society in every nation that is subject to manipulation, therefore 1-3 months and it will be possible to hold a referendum on accession of Ukraine to the Russian Federation.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  . and in the eyes of Europe you are nobody.
                  I mean nobody ??? You are a Russian person !!! And spit on Western Europe and its opinion. Is Russia Europe or are you in doubt? Russia is the heart of Europe, and the west is the stomach of Europe. Russia is currently the cultural center of the world, the political the center of a new geopolitical power.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 12 November 2015 19: 26 New
                    0
                    Quote: Lead
                    The success of the information war is not whether they tell the truth or not, but in the quality of the submission of information
                    There are also no amateurs working there, so the quality of the information will be no worse. But much more pleasant things will be said.
                    Quote: Lead
                    Truth is something that makes propaganda much easier.
                    Yes, not always.
                    Quote: Lead
                    enough to provide a simple majority
                    The problem is what to do next. Join and get millions of fellow citizens with brainwashed and we will long and tedious teach them the mind?
                    Quote: Lead
                    And spit on western Europe and her opinion
                    Yes, for me. But some "square" is no longer there. Do you remember Taras Bulba?
                    I know that a vile thing has now begun on our land; they only think that they should have bread stacks with them, ricks and their horse herds, so that their sealed honey should be intact in the cellars. Adopt the devil knows what Busurman customs; abhor their tongue; he doesn’t want to speak with his own; he sells his own, as they sell the soulless in the trading market. The mercy of an alien king, and not a king, but the meager mercy of a Polish magnate who, with his yellow forelock, hits them in the face, is more dear to them than any brotherhood.
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 11 November 2015 08: 31 New
          +5
          Quote: Lead
          , and green men with insignia of the armed forces of Ukraine could stand in the vicinity of Lviv


          and the talk is so purely Vologda or Arkhangelsk .. typical Ukrainians .. the main thing is to fasten a trident on yourself.

          although one thing is right ... the card of Yanukovych or Azarov has not yet been played ... I don’t understand why, but one court won Yanyk already ...
          1. The lead
            The lead 11 November 2015 09: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: vorobey
            and the talk is so purely Vologda or Arkhangelsk .. typical Ukrainians .. the main thing is to fasten a trident on yourself.
            And what exactly bothers you? In the Crimea, the Vologda and Arkhangelsk dialects rolled, and without the insignia the green men successfully pretended to be citizens of Ukraine. Even if someone suspects something is wrong, it will mean nothing. Moreover, some military units Ukraine would remain faithful to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and could also play the role of a screen, supposedly relying on these military units, Yanukovych returned power to Ukraine.
          2. severniy
            severniy 11 November 2015 10: 29 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: Lead
            , and green men with insignia of the armed forces of Ukraine could stand in the vicinity of Lviv


            and the dialect is so purely Vologda or Arkhangelsk .. typical Ukrainians.

            And sho, as in the movie "saboteur" Galkin with the help of two words communicated with the Fritz people .. laughing
          3. Good me
            Good me 11 November 2015 12: 35 New
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            . I don’t understand why, but one court won Yanyk already ..


            To try to unlock assets in Western banks ...
            1. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 52 New
              0
              Good me
              To try to unlock assets in Western banks ...



              .....well no! He does what he can ... Legally destroys the "PINOCHET" halo ... which the junta and the PSSh drew for him ... and surprisingly ... successfully! hi
        3. The lead
          The lead 11 November 2015 09: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          With such thinking you need to arrange world revolutions.
          I have nothing to do with Strelkov, Gubarev, Mozgovoy and Bednov, I am a law-abiding philistine.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Lead
            I have nothing to do with Strelkov, Gubarev, Mozgovoy and Bednov, I am a law-abiding philistine.

            A komenty revolutionary.
            1. The lead
              The lead 11 November 2015 10: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              A komenty revolutionary
              My revolutionism applies only to Ukraine, and Belarus and Kazakhstan and the Baltic states to the heap, and as for the Russian Federation, I repeat, I am a law-abiding layman.
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                1. EGOrkka
                  EGOrkka 11 November 2015 18: 49 New
                  0
                  The lead
                  This is an insult. Explain yourself.

                  1.
                  The lead
                  What is the correctness? Already now all of Ukraine could be part of the Russian Federation.

                  2.
                  The lead
                  Good video, post it constantly when it comes to Donbass.

                  3.
                  The lead
                  All this would not matter; Yanukovych would be used as a screen.
                  hi
                  1. The lead
                    The lead 11 November 2015 19: 55 New
                    +1
                    And this is your explanation? There is no provocation in the quotations you quoted.
                    Quote: EGOrkka
                    What is the correctness? Already now all of Ukraine could be part of the Russian Federation.
                    This idea was first expressed by Mera Joota, I supported it, developed it a bit. It is not clear that you may not like it here. Or do you advocate ukrofashists and do not want Ukraine to join the Russian Federation?
                    Quote: EGOrkka
                    Good video, post it constantly when it comes to Donbass.
                    Do you disagree with this opinion? Do you think the video is bad?
                    Quote: EGOrkka
                    All this would not matter; Yanukovych would be used as a screen.
                    You do not like my derogatory attitude towards Yanukovych? Or do you think that this offends the screen, as I correlated it with Yanukovych?
                    1. EGOrkka
                      EGOrkka 12 November 2015 04: 53 New
                      -1
                      The lead
                      1. What is the correctness? Already now all of Ukraine could be part of the Russian Federation.
                      2.Good video, post it constantly when it comes to Donbass.
                      3. All this would not matter, Yanukovych would be used as a screen.


                      ..about ... did the same thing .... pop Gapon ... hi
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                      2. The lead
                        The lead 12 November 2015 06: 48 New
                        0
                        Quote: EGOrkka
                        . approximately ... did the same thing ... pop Gapon ...
                        The circus left, but the clowns remained laughing .
                      3. EGOrkka
                        EGOrkka 12 November 2015 11: 17 New
                        0
                        The lead
                        left, and


                        ... besides Russia ..... there are other states .... And besides your desire ..... respectively, the desires of others. Direct action ... may lead ... to completely different consequences .... .. And if you consider .. what exactly is this from you and ... waiting for? bully
      2. tomket
        tomket 11 November 2015 09: 55 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yanukovych crap in the eyes of the West of Ukraine and the East.
        2. He is a coward.
        3. And why the heck Russia needs it with it - Our choice is Europe.

        Well, why the hell did they save him then?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 58 New
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Well, why the hell did they save him then?

          And I know what.
          1. tomket
            tomket 11 November 2015 10: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And I know what.

            That is, it’s impossible to calculate Putin’s moves even when all the terms of the KhKhP have already expired? (We have a legitimate president, etc.) We have such a mysterious president). By the way, perhaps this is precisely Putin’s move that finally turned away part of the Ukrainians from Russia. It would be approximately if China would host Yeltsin, against which Rokhlin would carry out a hypothetical coup. I think after such a move the bulk of the Russians with China would have nothing to talk about.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 13: 49 New
              +1
              Well, and here Putin is to blame laughing You about it
              Quote: tomket
              By the way, perhaps this is precisely Putin’s move that finally turned away part of the Ukrainians from Russia.

              Well, even here Putin is to blame. Ukrainians have been explaining this to you for a year and a half laughing
              1. tomket
                tomket 11 November 2015 14: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Well, even here Putin is to blame.

                No, the homeless Vasya is directly to blame for this))). It was he who sheltered Yanukovych)))
            2. EGOrkka
              EGOrkka 11 November 2015 16: 58 New
              0
              tomket
              That is, Putin’s moves cannot be calculated


              .... by miscalculations ... you are in ruin ..... everyone knows there ... what Putin wants ... I think so ... he asks them in the morning ... what I wanted there .. today ? Especially succeeded in this Yaytsenyuh .... laughing
        2. 0255
          0255 11 November 2015 11: 10 New
          0
          Quote: tomket
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yanukovych crap in the eyes of the West of Ukraine and the East.
          2. He is a coward.
          3. And why the heck Russia needs it with it - Our choice is Europe.

          Well, why the hell did they save him then?

          Yanukovych on the rights of the legitimate president of Ukraine who has not renounced power transferred the Crimea to Russia.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 11: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: 0255
            Yanukovych on the rights of the legitimate president of Ukraine who has not renounced power transferred the Crimea to Russia.

            When? belay
            1. Good me
              Good me 11 November 2015 12: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              When?


              That's it...

              And I, not knowing it, thought that Crimea became part of the Russian Federation as a result of the popular will ...
          2. tomket
            tomket 11 November 2015 11: 49 New
            0
            Quote: 0255
            Yanukovych on the rights of the legitimate president of Ukraine who did not give up power transferred Crimea to Russia

            You decide, Crimea came to us by the WILL of the people or the transfer of Yanukovych? If Yanukovych passed, then why only Crimea? Another HHP?
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      4. alexej123
        alexej123 11 November 2015 10: 30 New
        +1
        Everything is right - an ordinary TRAITOR. After all, how did Putin describe him earlier? There would be even more problems with him.
      5. Good me
        Good me 11 November 2015 11: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        3. And why the heck Russia needs it with it - Our choice is Europe.


        Indeed, "Russia needs him," that in order to save him, a whole special operation was planned and carried out with the use of VKS (combat helicopters).

        Ahhh ... Got it ... yes

        Without such an episode, the documentary film "Crimea. The Way Home", its storyline, would have seemed incompletely incomplete ...

        PS: The commentary is not in any way directed against the film about the annexation of the peninsula to Russia, but against the "circus performers" who still consider us, the people, an illiterate herd ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 11: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Good Me
          Without such an episode, D

          How much I sit on this site and never ceases to be surprised.
          My brain is in full swing when another user with the author on whom the flag of the Russian Empire begins to upload Lenin's quotes wassat
          1. Good me
            Good me 11 November 2015 11: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            How much I sit on this site and never ceases to be surprised.
            My brain is in full swing when another user with the author on whom the flag of the Russian Empire begins to upload Lenin's quotes


            Why shun, quotes? Lenin, because part of the history of the state ... Anyway.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 13: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Good Me
              Whatever it was.

              Whatever it was, but for the admirer of the Empire it was possible to find quotes and more worthy.
      6. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 11 November 2015 22: 11 New
        0
        Dear Alexander, maybe you don’t need to react to the troll? It will be more effective than all arguments.
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    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 11 November 2015 10: 29 New
      +6
      Quote: Lead
      Also came to the same conclusions.

      These are not conclusions, I expected this last year and the referendum in Crimea before the closure of the issue with the Donbass caused me outright bewilderment.
      It's so obvious. We have a president of the country with a part of the government, the Crimea is controlled in which there are military units on the basis of which a "liberation" corps can be formed and an absolutely amorphous enemy army whose state everyone saw at the same time. It is more than stupid not to use such a chance that he fell into his hands.
      1. The lead
        The lead 11 November 2015 10: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Not to use such a chance that he himself fell into the hands of more than stupid.
        That's right. And nevertheless, they did not take this chance. The one born to crawl cannot fly, unfortunately.
  5. Oman 47
    Oman 47 11 November 2015 09: 13 New
    +4
    Think globally, comrade!
    But - FANTASTIC.
    Yanukovych - BANNER ???! belay
    Cowardly little gangster with developed grasping reflex - LEAD?
    About ... all polymers. On it is the blood of Kiev and the Southeast.
    Nikolay 2 Kakhlyatsky, b ..., a rag!
    1. The lead
      The lead 11 November 2015 09: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Oman 47
      Yanukovych - BANNER ???!
      No, just a screen.
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 11 November 2015 10: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: Lead
        No, just a screen.

        Absolutely right. Nekhai thumps or sniffs, it does not matter, the main thing is that his signature is under the documents, and everyone will do the closure.
        Comrade Stalin was not much worried about where "President Kuusinen" was, it was his presence and his signature on the documents that were important to him.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 11 November 2015 12: 04 New
          +1
          In fairness, I’ll say that Kuusinen was not a rag. And in the last years of his life he was part of the real leading core of the USSR.
      2. severniy
        severniy 11 November 2015 10: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Oman 47
        Think globally, comrade!
        But - FANTASTIC.
        Yanukovych - BANNER ???! belay
        Cowardly little gangster with developed grasping reflex - LEAD?
        About ... all polymers. On it is the blood of Kiev and the Southeast.
        Nikolay 2 Kakhlyatsky, b ..., a rag!

        Xs about a coward .. If we are talking about the same man then:
        First conviction

        V. Yanukovych was first convicted on December 15, 1967 (under article 141 of part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Ukrainian SSR - robbery), as a member of the Pivnovka criminal group. At the time the sentence began, Yanukovych was 17 years old. He served his sentence for 19 months (1 year 7 months), was released in honor of the 50th anniversary of the celebration of the Great October Revolution under an amnesty. The sentence is 3 years. Serving of punishment took place in the colony of Kremenchug.

        [edit] Second conviction

        On June 8, 1970, Yanukovych was prosecuted for the second time. The reason is the infliction of moderate bodily harm (Article 102 of the Criminal Code of the Ukrainian SSR). He was sentenced to 2 years in prison. Pre-trial investigation, trial in court took 9 months.
        Previously, the campaign was not a coward ... Or that it broke in him, or Xs ... But as a flag of the liberation movement of Ukraine, he really is not very ...
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 11 November 2015 14: 51 New
          0
          The more money, the more cowardly. There is something to lose ..
          A politician without principles is a puppet.
      3. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 02 New
        0
        The lead
        No, just a screen.


        ... how would you like or .. don't want ... Yanukovych this is the starting point .... before the junta ... and after with the junta, still Ukraine ... and already ruin .. hi
  6. Aleksander
    Aleksander 11 November 2015 11: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Mera Joota
    In no case would Stalin hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation BEFORE solving the main issue. He would have created his own Ukraine in Crimea with the legitimate President Yanukovych, Prime Minister Azarov, would have created the "Ukrainian Liberation Army" and would have started a "liberation campaign" from Crimea and Donbass under the flag of Ukraine.

    It would really be a "multi-move" that is supposedly in effect now. But the lack of confidence in their abilities, the fear of failure led to the decision to take at least a minimum (Crimea), but 100% ..
    In fact, this is a loss.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 11 November 2015 07: 27 New
    +2
    In general, the situation in Ukraine cannot be stabilized on the “Minsk” foundation. Next year, 2016 will officially end its action, and we will see how it will fall apart and bury Poroshenko under its rubble. Talk about his prolongation - this is just talk. Poroshenko failed Joe Biden's plan for Ukraine and will be punished. As a result, the situation in Ukraine and in New Russia will be set in motion ...


    We'll wait and see ... WASHINGTON, too, is not a fool to sit around and calculate options that are advantageous to him.
  • SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 11 November 2015 07: 33 New
    +5
    The conflict will smolder forever, the country is pumped up with weapons according to the tonsils, and with the help of the national battalions and the gorilka provocations are guaranteed! LDNR need to create crazy squadrons of retaliation, live with wolves ....
  • parusnik
    parusnik 11 November 2015 07: 47 New
    0
    In general, the situation in Ukraine cannot be stabilized on the “Minsk” foundation... It’s hard not to agree ....
    1. venaya
      venaya 11 November 2015 08: 01 New
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      In general, the situation in Ukraine cannot be stabilized on the “Minsk” foundation... It's hard not to agree ....

      Perhaps no one set himself such a task. In view of the complete failure of all the initial plans of the parties concerned, a respite was simply required in order to clarify the difficult situation for themselves, and it was not easy for everyone at all.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 11 November 2015 07: 50 New
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    Why are there so many excuses for our government in Ukraine, with this next article? The United States brazenly climbed into Ukraine, which was a member of the CIS, under the living and legitimate President Yanukovych, which was forced to take refuge in Russia after an anti-constitutional coup. Several EU countries acted as guarantors for Yanukovych, and they dumped him despicably. Who would fight for the newly-minted Bandera, who are even far and thin in spirit from those who served the Germans during World War II, America? USA heroes when seven on one, and so the whole essence of the Anglo-Saxons, play off others, act as if possible with someone else's hands, profiting from the war. Europe, what could have been left without Russian gas in case of a radical aggravation before winter? Army of Ukraine that was neutral and generally sympathized with us, like the majority of the population of Ukraine? Our government decided on the Crimea (it would have been a disaster to give it up), but did not dare to go to the whole of Ukraine. And they were not afraid of Bandera, not of NATO troops, they were afraid of the oligarchs' accounts in foreign banks, of the possible loss of income of our influential gas monopoly, with its interests. A capitalist, he is also a capitalist in Russia, and for him there is a common owner, world transnational monopolies and their rules, created by them and for their own benefit and power. That is the whole explanation of why it came to such sacrifices and destruction in the Donbass, why the words "let them just try" remained just words. If there was a coup, if the junta came to power, what kind of conversations with them was there, Yanukovych's appeal, there were, finally, elementary obligations to the Commonwealth, what was in the way, what was outside of international law? How can you recognize the referendum in Crimea and not recognize the referendum in Donbass, how can you take Crimea and repeat about the "integrity" of Ukraine, the country that de facto ceased to exist after the putsch? It is possible to understand that Putin is not so free in his actions, that there is an opposing force with his own selfish interests, but if he showed weakness, lost time and opportunities, made a mistake, so at least admit it, draw conclusions. We didn’t slam the reptiles in the bud, let them grow stronger and unite, now the smart-ass Anglo-Saxons will already make a semblance of Hitler's Reich from Ukraine, again against Russia, again with someone else's hands, so that the Russians would also kill the Russians.
    1. twviewer
      twviewer 11 November 2015 08: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: Per se.
      Why so many excuses

      that's right, plus they gave the main supplier for the military-industrial complex, which does not fit with the buildup of "pre-war power" of Russia :)
    2. DEMENTIY
      DEMENTIY 11 November 2015 08: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: Per se.
      Why are there so many excuses for our government in Ukraine ...


      For the reason why there are no (excuses) on 08.08.08. - they do not make excuses for victories.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 11 November 2015 08: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: DEMENTIY
        Quote: Per se.
        Why are there so many excuses for our government in Ukraine ...


        For the reason why there are no (excuses) on 08.08.08. - they do not make excuses for victories.


        and what have already finished? .... and ... leaked
      2. tomket
        tomket 11 November 2015 10: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: DEMENTIY
        For the reason why there are no (excuses) on 08.08.08. - they do not make excuses for victories.

        When victories are won, they get, for example, Zhukov - "memories and reflections", in which they write, among other things, about the taken Berlin in the interval between the wedding and the birth of a grandson. When the war is lost, they write "Stalingrad is a lost victory. ... and somewhere down there Manstein."
    3. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 11 November 2015 12: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      under the living and legitimate President Yanukovych
      With legal, and not with legitimate.

      Legality - legality, compliance with the law, and legitimacy - recognition of this conformity (this recognition by most Ukrainians did not exist).

      forced to take refuge in Russia after an unconstitutional coup
      There is no anti-constitutional coup - the institutions of power and the person continued to work in the same mode and composition, mass protests and riots are not a coup, and no one has forcibly removed Yanukovych from power.

      But Yanukovych, who disappeared on the night of February 21-22, on February 28 surfaced for some reason in Rostov, that is, in fact, escaped in violation of the constitutional oath.
      "Polite people" appeared in Crimea on the morning of February 27, and Putin said that the decision to annex Crimea was made on the night of February 23, 2014 - that is, approximately when Yanukovych was on Russian territory.
      And that means it is impossible to name Yanukovych’s actions as treason (part 1 of article 111 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine).

      Our power was decided in the Crimea (to give it would be a catastrophe)
      There wouldn’t be - even without Crimea, the entire Black Sea under NATO.
      Another thing is that no one has yet refused South Stream, and to lead it through the Crimea, and not bypassing it, is at least 20 times cheaper.

      but did not dare to all of Ukraine
      Why do they need Ukraine?

      what was outside international law?
      "Polite people".

      how can you take Crimea and repeat about the "integrity" of Ukraine, a country that de facto ceased to exist after the putsch?
      He lives, lives, and already a year and a half is about to freeze and fall apart ...

      You can understand that Putin is not so free in his actions
      What is not free?

      Is it possible to use the RF Armed Forces in one part of the territories of a neighboring state, blocking the armed forces of that state, but is it not free to do the same in another part of the territories of the same state?


      In general, you are right - you are right that everything rests on the financial interests of the oligarchy and the ruling class, on their capitals, but at the same time they mixed so much untrue nonsense that my mother did not cry.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 15 New
        0
        Uncle Joe
        1. There wouldn’t be - even without Crimea, the entire Black Sea under NATO.
        2. What is not free?
        3. "Polite people".


        1 .... as I see it ... your versions are all delusional ... ento how is it, without a couple of mogets without Crimea ????? in the black sea ... Not a single chance!
        2. Putin in an elected position ... and if his actions or inaction are alien to the people who chose him .... in the next election ... he will not be elected! You don’t need to know this ...
        3. And why didn’t polite people do that politely? Well, except that they broke all the plans of the PSh ... well, what good is it for you? you are for communism .... and the fulfillment of the will of the people is a law, for a true communist .... or are you not a communist?

        ... mother tans from your ... do not worry! laughing
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 11 November 2015 20: 49 New
          0
          Quote: EGOrkka
          how NATO, without the Crimea a couple of mogets ?????
          Learn geography.

          in the next election ... he will not be elected!
          Like Yeltsin in '96.

          And then what polite people did not politely do that?
          http://www.bibliotekar.ru/mezhdunarodnoe-pravo-2/

          Well, what good is it for you?

          Quote: Per se.
          what was outside international law?
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 12 November 2015 05: 10 New
            0
            Uncle Joe (
            1. Learn geography.
            2. Like Yeltsin in the 96th.
            3. What was outside international law?


            1 ... and does the teacher herself know the tothenka?
            2 .... you look at how Poroshenko was "chosen" as president ... you laugh ...
            3. ... to hear from people about the right that they trample .... the height of cynicism and .... stupidity ....
            and if frankly ... there were no polite ... special violations .... of international law .... and if you look more globally, it was the polite that saved the Russians and Ukrainians .... from the great schism. And by the way. ..that's why .... people support Putin! hi
  • SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 07: 56 New
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    Somehow, recently, often, such "justifying decisions of the Kremlin" articles appear.
    It is clear that the "liberal environment" has passed the bifurcation point.
    But, .. and the situation started up to an incomprehensible suspended state.
    Unsecured success has already led to a worse state than on the eve of the conflict, thereby reducing the field for maneuver and decision making.
    No one knows, but it may and will still have to deploy full-fledged Russian military bases. Why is Abkhazia and South Ossetia not an example? But the western direction is much more serious now in terms of concentration of enemy forces and assets and its support.

    Let me repeat in my comments:
    The newspaper “Top Secret” publishes an excerpt from the book “The Torch of New Russia” by Pavel Gubarev, in which he talks about the beginning of the armed confrontation in the Donbass.
    LOST OPPORTUNITIES
    If at this moment Moscow had decided on the “Crimean option” in the Donbass, it would have been a resounding success. The local authorities did not have a will to resist. The Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine had only 17 thousand combat forces. Even the Ukrainian special forces did not really know how to fight: the events in Konstantinovka will show it. Local police were ready to sell: cities could be borrowed for small - compared to the war - money. To surrender cities, the local "power" authorities requested from 50 to 200 thousand dollars. The riotous was negotiating, but the militia did not have this money anyway - they took the city by force. But at that moment - if it were really a pre-planned and well-thought-out operation of Moscow to buy up the regional elite, then, figuratively speaking, a donkey loaded with gold could take the whole Donbass. This is at least.
    For several million dollars it was possible to buy the police, the SBU, and the command of local units. They were not eager to fight. It could be done like in Iraq in 2003, when the Americans simply bought Hussein’s generals. Then there would have arisen not just the DNI and LC, but one Novorossia. With untouched industry, with working mines and its ports in Mariupol and Odessa, with hefty foreign exchange earnings, with undisturbed agriculture. There would be no hellish destruction, nor so many killed, crippled, refugee ousted. Such a New Russia quickly had its own army. And Kiev, deprived of the income of Donbass, instantly received the collapse of the state budget, and could not fight in an organized way.
    Now for this reason you can only sigh bitterly. All this is now lost. Now that so much blood has been spilled, Ukraine has received an army with combat experience, and ideological, motivated fighters, and internal rallying, and a thirst for revenge. Then we did not know what lies ahead ”
    The media reported that Pavel Gubarev was detained in St. Petersburg during the presentation of his book The Torch. The FSB accused Pavel Gubarev of illegally crossing the border, and detained him to clarify the circumstances. As it turned out later, Gubarev was released on a subscription and put a tracking bracelet on his leg for security reasons (there is a photo).
    Fucking like the Kremlin annoys the unresolved issue of New Russia.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 08: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      Somehow, recently, often, such "justifying decisions of the Kremlin" articles appear.

      Why didn’t you go to defend Novorossia?
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 11 November 2015 08: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why didn’t you go to defend Novorossia?


        don't be so critical ... he defends .. laughing
      2. twviewer
        twviewer 11 November 2015 08: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Why didn’t you go to defend Novorossia?

        Is New Russia to Moldova or a scrap along the Russian border?
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 16 New
          0
          twviewer
          it's up


          ..to Germany. bully
      3. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 08: 49 New
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        Alexander Romanov! Are you either the smartest or the most cynical?
        How about your question?

        The reasons can be very different. From being in active service to misunderstanding the inert behavior of the majority of the population of Donbass and a certain number of people here depend on you.
        Or do you think that there is not enough fighting population there.
        I don’t need to amuse myself with illusions, the experience of three wars was enough (as part of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation) to understand the further policy of the Kremlin leaders.
        As part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation or another service, even now it’s ready (as well as very many in Russia) to perform combat missions. Yes, and a volunteer is possible if the situation threatens or becomes critical for the country.
        Otherwise, it is very convenient for the Kremlin and the State Duma and the SovFed to resolve the issue of mercenarism and volunteerism, so that they would not be responsible. And then it will be, as it was already, remember: "... we did not send you there!"
        The Kremlin acted wisely - could not cope - headed!
        From myself: when I am sure that this is not in vain and will not stop as soon as it has begun, but we will go to the end, and that there will be no persecution, as against Strelkov, or the attitude on the spot and afterwards will be no worse than in the same Former Yugoslavia, Bosnia , or the ideas of capitalism will again not return everything to its original state, then yes, and some emotional impulses are not enough for the new "masters of life" and economic partners of the Russian oligarchy.
        After eliminating Strelkov, killing Mozgovoy and other objectionable ones, ending the term Novorossia, and the like, do you think Romanov, will you reconsider your need in Ukraine?
        And for the future: you either try to ask a question in a different tone and form, not so cynical, or run into rudeness.
        Not only me have pretensions to you.
        Without respect.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 11 November 2015 08: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          As part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation or another service, at least now it’s ready (as well as very many in Russia) to perform combat missions


          Yes, you are not ready ... a soldier should not reason and think right or wrong, for which he is fighting and whether it is necessary ... but you reason a lot ...
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 09: 05 New
            +4
            And how do you, in the context of this topic, relate the concepts of "ready" and "reason"?
            This is just fine. Detail and specify!
            Can you address this expression of yours to the "cannon fodder" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or Terbats and PSs?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 13 New
              -10
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              "cannon fodder" APU

              In Counter Strake outplayed.
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 11 November 2015 09: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              correlate the concepts of "ready" and "reason"?


              I do not correlate anything .. you decide ...


              Quote: SibSlavRus
              I don’t need to amuse myself with illusions, the experience of three wars was enough (as part of the Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation) to understand the further policy of the Kremlin leaders.


              Quote: SibSlavRus
              As part of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation or another service, even now it’s ready (as well as very many in Russia) to perform combat missions. Yes, and a volunteer is possible if the situation threatens or becomes critical for the country.



              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Otherwise, it is very convenient for the Kremlin and the State Duma and the SovFed to resolve the issue of mercenarism and volunteerism, so that they would not be responsible. And then it will be, as it was already, remember: "... we did not send you there!"



              Quote: SibSlavRus
              From myself: when I am sure that this is not in vain and will not stop as soon as it has begun, but we will go to the end, and that there will be no persecution, as against Strelkov, or the attitude on the spot and afterwards will be no worse than in the same Former Yugoslavia, Bosnia , or the ideas of capitalism will again not return everything to its original state, then yes, and some emotional impulses are not enough for the new "masters of life" and economic partners of the Russian oligarchy.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 13 New
            -3
            Quote: vorobey
            . and you talk a lot ...

            Looks like a former party worker, fed by slogans.
            Sanya hi
            1. SibSlavRus
              SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 09: 24 New
              +3
              Probably you know a lot about your opponents in the forum, if you allow yourself such statements?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 11 New
          0
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          You or the smartest

          Not at all .
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          or the most cynical

          And what is cynicism? -Can you say, sitting on the couch, Putin yell, introduce the military and write condolences in the next article about the dead soldiers.
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          From being in active service to misunderstanding the inert behavior of the majority of the population of Donbass and a certain number of people here depend on you.

          Dear, your koment did not read further hi
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 09: 31 New
            +6
            Is your "Jewish" reaction clear, you have no desire to answer the questions?
            Do not forget that the supporters of your opinion, as well as mine, do not know how many (including the same Donbass and the Kremlin, coupled with the State Duma).
            And then you are somehow very confident in your truth, you are behaving. You even allow ridicule.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 November 2015 09: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Your "Jewish" reaction is clear,

              Yes, we are all Jews, one you are Russian and correct.
              1. SibSlavRus
                SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 10: 18 New
                +4
                I am about the form of behavior, not nationality. You understand me perfectly, but you can’t do without malice?
        3. tomket
          tomket 11 November 2015 10: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Are you either the smartest or the most cynical?

          He’s been at the forefront from the first day, and therefore he asks such questions to the rest :) By right.
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 11 November 2015 08: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      Even the Ukrainian special forces did not really know how to fight: the events in Konstantinovka will show it. Local police were ready to sell: cities could be borrowed for small - compared to the war - money. To surrender cities, the local "power" authorities requested from 50 to 200 thousand dollars. The riotous was negotiating, but the militia did not have this money anyway - they took the city by force. But at that moment - if it were really a pre-planned and well-thought-out operation of Moscow to buy up the regional elite, then, figuratively speaking, a donkey loaded with gold could take the whole Donbass. At least for a few million dollars you could buy the police, the SBU, and the command of the local units. They were not eager to fight. It could be done like in Iraq in 2003, when the Americans simply bought Hussein’s generals. Then there would have arisen not just the DNI and LC, but one Novorossia. With untouched industry, with working mines and its ports in Mariupol and Odessa, with hefty foreign exchange earnings, with undisturbed agriculture. N


      some sort of corrupt Novorossia turns out ... from your words ...


      Quote: SibSlavRus
      Gubarev was released on a subscription and put a tracking bracelet on his leg for security reasons (there is a photo).


      Show..
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 09: 19 New
        +3
        vorobey!
        Read the comment carefully!
        Words are not mine!
        And I saw the photo on the LJ page of the militia CHERVONEC_001, with excerpts from the book.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 11 November 2015 09: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Read the comment carefully! Words are not mine!


          but you quote them means yours ...

          Quote: SibSlavRus
          And I saw the photo on the LJ page of the militia CHERVONEC_001, with excerpts from the book.


          are you sure the militia? Especially in Learn, do you personally know?
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 09: 40 New
            +1
            What I saw, I’m writing about. Do not be lazy - see for yourself, through a search engine.
            I personally am not familiar, but the news and opinions (confirmed and with links to the source, of course) are sometimes very interesting.

            Sorry, but quote - there is a quote. Even if you really want your words to express your opinion.
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    3. Alexander Tot
      Alexander Tot 11 November 2015 09: 16 New
      -1
      quotation SibSlavRus 1. Somehow, recently, often, such "justifying decisions of the Kremlin" articles appear.
      2. It is clear that the "liberal environment" has passed the bifurcation point.
      3. excerpt from the book .... Pavel Gubarev ... excerpt from the book "The Torch of New Russia" by Pavel LOST OPPORTUNITIES
      3. To get angry as the Kremlin annoys the unresolved issue of New Russia.

      I have a question for SibSlavRus - if we assume that P. Gubarev is not completely independent or offended, what conclusions would be made if SibSlavRus could only suggest, but not know, all the information that is known to rule the world?
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 09: 22 New
        +5
        I do not pretend to be true like many of you.
        I express my opinion and beliefs.
        Is this not a form of communication on the forum?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 11 November 2015 09: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          I do not pretend to be true like many of you.
          I express my opinion and beliefs.
          Is this a form of communication on the forum?


          and here I agree with you ... hi
        2. Alexander Tot
          Alexander Tot 11 November 2015 09: 52 New
          0
          Dear SibSlavRus, I read your correspondence with members of the forum. I also do not claim and not "many of you." I asked and got a two-line answer. I attribute the first line to the costs of communicating with "many".
          Sincerely. I AM.
          1. SibSlavRus
            SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 10: 09 New
            +4
            Sorry if offended.
            "Some" moderators in their judgments and supporting incomprehensible ridicule, generalized my reaction.
            You are right about the "costs".
            1. Alexander Tot
              Alexander Tot 11 November 2015 10: 26 New
              +3
              Dear SibSlavRus, I'm not offended, you can tinker with me. I noticed that emotions led you and some "many" brought you on. Good luck.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 11 November 2015 08: 09 New
    +3
    In general, despite the significant progress under the leadership of Shoigu, the Armed Forces of Russia, by conventional conventional means of the Armed Forces, are insufficiently prepared, especially the military-industrial complex.
    In general, the Minsk process has already given Russia two years of respite in order to prepare the country for defense. This is a major achievement: Stalin at one time won less time.


    I think these thoughts are justified. Russia has no other way out, besides how to saturate the armed forces with the latest weapons !!! At the same time, these weapons are squandered under the guise of business operations. It doesn’t matter where, to India, China, Vietnam, Azerbaijan ... that Russia’s fate is not interested in. The main thing is money! Many believe that this is to the benefit of the budget, they are mistaken, only in the form of taxes, the rest is cut and brought out of the country. If such a business is not the work of influence agents, then what ???
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    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 11 November 2015 11: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      In general, the Minsk process has already given Russia two years of respite in order to prepare the country for defense. This is a major achievement: Stalin at one time won less time. I think these thoughts are justified. Russia has no other way out, besides how to saturate the armed forces with the latest weapons !!!


      Do not be confused that saturate their armed forces and opponents of Russia? And they have much more opportunities and economic potential than Russia - look at what is already being built at the borders of Russia and WHAT planned.
      Russia had one advantage, surprise and initiative, now almost all of the enemies ....
    3. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 26 New
      0
      Evgeniy667b
      The main thing is money! Many people think that this is good for the budget


      .... you look at everything from a different angle ... do you always see the primary economy, and it tells you that the larger the industrial party, the lower the cost ... and the filling can be ... radically different from what they deliver country ..and for export! bully
  • Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 11 November 2015 08: 19 New
    +3
    The Ukrainian army in the summer of 2014 was weak, and Russian troops, with the support of the Novorossiya militia, could occupy the entire southeast of Ukraine and even Kiev, if only the Armed Forces were to be fought.


    And why did Russia have to go to Kiev, where did NATO troops stand? Or more than 90% of Ukrainians were for Russia? Maybe we want a second Poland on the border? We can say with confidence that we, as a dependent, do not need Ukraine! We need a strong, fraternal Ukraine, able to solve its internal problems on its own ... Well, let them stay on the balance sheet of the United States and pay out of the American pocket for our gas. And Russia is Ukraine’s expensive to maintain, and with sanctions even more expensive. It is clear that our people there are suffering in the first place and how not to twist them pity ... But they must come to some kind of compromise, even my relatives from the Donbass consider Russia guilty of everything that happens !!! And how, under such conditions, send regular troops? Yes, a monkey from such a gift would have jumped back onto a palm tree ...

    So everything is right so far ... Now we will deal with Syria, the psychological state will be on our side, the countries will reach us and Putin’s rating will increase in Ukraine ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 November 2015 09: 14 New
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      Quote: Wise Kaa
      countries will reach us and in Ukraine Putin’s rating will increase ...

      And don't get your hopes up! The brainwashing continues, this time. Second, they alienated those who were pro-Russian precisely because the troops were not brought in. It was said "don't we leave ours?" and people believed. What happened? How many guys have died? The military organization helped, humanitarian convoys - that's great, but why did the humanitarian aid go to Plotnitsky's chain of stores? And only a minuscule was distributed directly to the people or got to the militia due to the trips of Rooman - Banshee. And the Kharkovites leaned out because of this ahead of time! 200 underground workers were swept away. And these are only those that are known, and how many of them were captured in Zaporozhye, out of those who were compared with 300 Spartans? More than half! And now you are outraged that Odessa did not get up. Yes, there is no faith. The conclusion was "Capitalist Russia acts where there is a benefit to the Russian oligarchs. It does not give a damn about the Russians" So where will Putin's rating rise? They did not enter Donbass - oh, well, yes, the Shell company dug in there, only recently they got out of there. We realized that they would not allow shale gas to be easily extracted. Maybe because of this, they did not enter it? Well, now Korchinsky has already submitted a proposal, to settle with ATO veterans, read as bandits, along the line of restriction, to create "armed armed villages", which ... And after all, the Westerners were promised land there, and "vacated" apartments. So the war will continue until all pro-Russian minded people are removed. Well, then the oligarchs will agree among themselves. It is possible that this is what is beneficial for Russia.
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    3. Alexl
      Alexl 11 November 2015 09: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      The Ukrainian army in the summer of 2014 was weak, and Russian troops, with the support of the Novorossiya militia, could occupy the entire southeast of Ukraine and even Kiev, if only the Armed Forces were to be fought.


      And why did Russia have to go to Kiev, where did NATO troops stand? Or more than 90% of Ukrainians were for Russia? Maybe we want a second Poland on the border? We can say with confidence that we, as a dependent, do not need Ukraine! We need a strong, fraternal Ukraine, able to solve its internal problems on its own ... Well, let them stay on the balance sheet of the United States and pay out of the American pocket for our gas. And Russia is Ukraine’s expensive to maintain, and with sanctions even more expensive. It is clear that our people there are suffering in the first place and how not to twist them pity ... But they must come to some kind of compromise, even my relatives from the Donbass consider Russia guilty of everything that happens !!! And how, under such conditions, send regular troops? Yes, a monkey from such a gift would have jumped back onto a palm tree ...


      Stop living with these myths about "strong fraternal Ukraine"! Today's Ukraine is a Russophobic project conceived by the Poles and implemented by the Bolsheviks. Bandera's people are not our brothers and never will be. Ukraine will become fraternal when it transforms into Little Russia and Novorossia.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 11: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: AleksL
        Present-day Ukraine is a Russophobian project,

        On Russian territory!
    4. tomket
      tomket 11 November 2015 10: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      We’ll deal with Syria now, the psychological state will be on our side, the countries will reach us and Putin’s rating will increase in Ukraine ...

      Yeah. You’ll deal with Syria .. The question is how to deal with Qatar, which we cannot bomb, but Putin’s rating that has been thoroughly spoiled.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 11 November 2015 10: 35 New
        0
        And it is necessary to deal with Qatar by their own method, sabotage in the fields, so that they couldn’t officially connect with Russia, but so that everyone could understand who was behind it!
        1. tomket
          tomket 11 November 2015 10: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: lis-ik
          And with Qatar it is necessary to deal with them using the same method, sabotage in the fields,

          Will you send lost paratroopers to BMD? Which, after a fingal, will tell under their eyes that Putin forced them to fight against the Qatari people?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 November 2015 09: 10 New
    +1
    If we bring in troops, we would have to take Ukraine for allowance,
    while spraying the resources that we need to prepare Russia for war.
    And so we froze the conflict, while increasing our striking power.
    It seems so to me. that everything will start in December or immediately after NG.
    Then Ukraine will try again to take revenge,
    thereby distracting the Ukrainians from the experience that came to them.
    1. Alexl
      Alexl 11 November 2015 09: 50 New
      +5
      Only latent Russophobes can talk about the fact that Ukraine would have to be completely kept. Of course, Russia itself has a bunch of subsidized regions, but this does not mean that any Penza or Vladimir region should be abandoned. Ukraine has its own industry and its own agriculture. It would only be necessary to create conditions for their development.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 29 New
        0
        Alexl
        that Ukraine would have to completely contain


        ... not only contain ... but also pay huge ... debts .... and given the internal social tension in Ukraine ..... and Russophobia ... this is a ballast ... which is now being dismantled by the school hi

        PS ... alas, without reformatting Ukraine ... you can’t get out! And New Russia is an option!
      2. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 13 November 2015 10: 24 New
        0
        Russian “elites” think not of national interests, but of considerations of financial well-being, which was called into question by the West.
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 11 November 2015 09: 31 New
    -4
    At the moment, the army of New Russia should gather in one fist and deliver a decisive and crushing blow to the Nazis and the Armed Forces. Only the inevitable defeat of the current Ukrainian military force will sign a surrender! When shells and mines begin to burst in Kiev, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov and other populated areas, when old people, women and children will die in these territories (albeit cruelly, but it is) how they died and die in New Russia. Then all the inhabitants of Ukraine will understand what needs to be done ...
  • Mestny
    Mestny 11 November 2015 09: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Per se.
    Our power was decided in the Crimea (to give it would have been a catastrophe), but did not dare to all of Ukraine. And they were not afraid of Bandera, not of NATO troops, they were afraid at the expense of oligarchs in foreign banks, for the possible loss of income of our influential gas monopolist, with his interests.

    Well, that is, neither the ability to really assess their strength and act accordingly, nor strategic planning - only cowardice and greed?
    Why did you decide that in Russia there are fools at the helm? This is not true.
    How did you get the idea that Russia has real opportunities to confront the West militarily and economically so that it would decide the fate of the 40 millionth country immediately and with a saber?
    What they could and did. So far so.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 11: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Mestny
      Why did you decide that in Russia there are fools at the helm? This is not true.

      No, not fools. But in the late 30s, many would be shot as enemies of the people.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 33 New
        0
        Ingvar 72
        But in the late 30s, many would be shot as enemies of the people.


        ... you just don’t know many ... who knowing you closer ... are ready to shoot you ... hi
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 11 November 2015 09: 37 New
    0
    I want 404 to die already ... for a terrible end is better than horror without an end. It is necessary to solve this problem ((((in the ass demagoguery - to solve!
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 34 New
      0
      ... you just don’t have relatives in the ruin ... like Poroshenko hi
  • Leonid1976
    Leonid1976 11 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +1
    This is not analytics, but poor billistry.
  • Alexl
    Alexl 11 November 2015 09: 42 New
    +2
    It was necessary not to stop the militia attack in September 2014.
  • pts-m
    pts-m 11 November 2015 09: 45 New
    +2
    It seems that history does not teach anything to those who argue. Well, they captured zapadensk urine, and in return received only expenses in the number of people sent to restore the life of the population. The same is true with the bogs. What zemlyatse was not enough? And the enemies, as they surrounded Russia, continue to surround them, no matter how they are fed discounts and partnerships. Forgetting about their people, they got the fifth column.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 11 November 2015 09: 51 New
    +2
    The article is a fat plus, Simon Altov seems to soon be left without work
    But if PMCs and NATO contingents (the very “foreign legion” that Putin said then) would come to the aid of Bandera’s, let’s say, they landed in Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kiev ...
    And if the Martians still landed near Dnepropetrovsk? And it already smacks of interplanetary conflict laughing NATO contingents! Better yet: NATO contingent! belay
    Then came science fiction in the style of "Stalker"
    In the future, this option rolls over to "Afghanistan" in Ukraine, our best enemy Brzezinski openly dreams of him. The fighting on the territory with nuclear power plants, saturated with industrial enterprises, can lead to a humanitarian catastrophe and serious economic consequences.
    A complete and sharp rupture of economic relations between Russia and Europe, estimated at 500 billion dollars, is also possible. This would lead to the necessity of introducing a state of emergency in Russia and in Europe, then the world economic crisis and the Third World War would be on the agenda. Moreover, in conventional weapons and allied countries, the West now has a significant advantage over Russia.

    But the latter is really important, so why does the West have a significant advantage over Russia?
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 11 November 2015 12: 50 New
      +3
      With PMCs, of course, the author has too much (is this against the regular Army of the Russian Federation? Yes, all of them in the world will even fall at our feet alone), here you need to know their specifics and capabilities.
      The author, probably, is not quite aware of the concepts and ideas of what a full-fledged large-scale military operation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is and the forces and means involved in it. And what is the previous preparation for the offensive (counterattack). In this regard, I liked the statement of the militia in the video, where he describes when it will come to understand that the Russian Army is advancing, and there he still does not describe everything.
      And what are NATO paramilitary units with police tactics and "inflated megalomania", you can find out from open sources and "heroic history".
      It would be more correct to call the EuroArmy or the EU Army.
      No one can fully imagine what a low level of interaction they have if they coordinate the teachings for months and years.
      And the states, according to historical tradition, in a global military conflict will wait on whose side there will be an advantage.
      Let's ask ourselves a question: Why, even when Russia was "not in the best shape", no one (except for the feeble-minded Georgians (in Kosovo, even the British reinforced contingent in the person of General M. Jackson "sent" its NATO chief, to order to storm the Russian battalion of the Airborne Forces in 120 )), NO ONE risks (even the mighty NATO crowd, as they like it) to seriously test us for strength?
      And even more so now, when we only demonstrated the readiness and strength of the Russian spirit and weapons?
      And this is without demonstrating the capabilities of nuclear weapons.
      The rhetoric of partners sharply goes towards saving face in a very bad game (bluffing).
      The instinct of self-preservation and historical memory sharply exacerbate, however, when Russia only "scratched its fists."
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 11 November 2015 10: 15 New
    0
    You can agree or disagree with the author’s arguments about the impossibility of sending troops to Ukraine, this issue is pointless, because we, ordinary people, do not know all the vicissitudes of diplomacy between us and the West during this period, so the argument is pointless. Twenty years later, when something is declassified, it will be possible to evaluate. What I fundamentally disagree with is the fact that the West will throw Ukraine. It follows from logic: do not think. that Ukraine is a kind of weight, which the West wants to get rid of. When Western friends and partners put things in order there, Ukraine with its natural resources and population, strategic position, like a dagger in the heart of Russia, will be a tidbit like it was under the Soviet regime. And then why should the West refuse the money that they invested in Ukraine, they do not like this. And it will not be up to us and the Ukrainian people to decide who the president will be, but to his curators. So we lost Ukraine forever. at least during our lifetimes.
  • vnord
    vnord 11 November 2015 10: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Per se.
    How can you recognize the referendum in Crimea and not recognize the referendum in the Donbass,

    In the Donbass there was no referendum on joining the Russian Federation.
  • Down House
    Down House 11 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +2
    Putinslill Internet Party,

    Online party? laughing
    And something more serious could not have been thought of, or has the opposition "completely degraded?"
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 11 November 2015 10: 51 New
    +5
    We were already screaming that dill would die in the winter, not dead. And this winter it would not die. Yes, to what a ride. And they screamed that everything will be resolved by the new year. Again they have breached. Solid noodles are coming to our ears. We have jumped all that is possible, and now they come up with different excuses. Shame.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 11 November 2015 11: 55 New
      0
      Not that good. But no girl can give more than what she has. Therefore, getting involved in the fight against a powerful and insidious enemy, such as the West, having a kettlebell in the shape of the economic bloc of our government was at least reckless, and by and large criminal. At first, it was necessary to get rid of dollar dependence. and then talk about Crimea.
  • Victor Kamenev
    11 November 2015 11: 18 New
    -1
    The struggle continues around Ukraine, and there are no simple solutions expressed by many. Russia's opportunities are not limitless, Washington also came to its senses after the Crimea, and considers the options. One thing is clear: the main battle for Ukraine is still ahead, therefore it is early to draw final conclusions. There are other sites in the world where there is a hybrid war, and not only in Syria.

    Everything is not easy, the threat of a world war is growing, all countries are arming themselves, everything is just beginning, and is not ending.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 11 November 2015 11: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      The struggle continues around Ukraine, and there are no simple solutions that are voiced by many.

      Only now, the inhabitants of Ukraine, who buried their children who died in the ATO, have forever ceased to be Russian in their souls. And in the spring of 2014 they considered themselves as such.
      They have now learned to fight, at least somehow, but they have learned. By the forces of New Russia they cannot be moved from the position now. In 2014, we lost our chance .., now with the direct intervention of Russia in the conflict, for most Ukrainians, the warrior will be domestic. On the other side of the Dnieper, and on this one, almost everyone buried a friend who had died in the ATO. And I think you know how about the funeral of dead acquaintances and friends on people. Now we are not even introducing troops, enemies for the majority of the population of Ukraine. What is constantly being said by you accused Strelkov. hi
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 11 November 2015 12: 13 New
        +3
        Only now, the inhabitants of Ukraine, who buried their children who died in the ATO, have forever ceased to be Russian in their souls.

        And could it be considered Russian those who sent their sons to the ATO ???
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 11 November 2015 14: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          And could it be considered Russian those who sent their sons to the ATO ???

          And what? Did the residents themselves send it this way? Or was there a draft in the army? Whoever had the opportunity - escaped, and someone was threatened - prison or the life of family members. think about it, 18-year-old kid. Those who walked on their own, voluntarily, definitely not Russian, but Ukrainians, regardless of what language they speak
    2. Aleksander
      Aleksander 11 November 2015 11: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      One thing is clear: the main battle for Ukraine is yet to come, so it’s too early to draw final conclusions.


      The battle for Ukraine has already been lost, the battle is being prepared for Russia ....
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 37 New
        -2
        Aleksander
        The battle for Ukraine is already lost


        .... the battle for Ukraine ..has not even happened at all ... there will still be roofing felts! bully
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    4. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 11 November 2015 12: 43 New
      +2
      I quote: "One thing is clear: the main battle for Ukraine is still aheadand ". In your words, yes to drink honey. But I would like to know what resources Russia has in this war, given the complete control of the West and the reorientation of the overwhelming majority of the Ukrainian people to hatred of Russia.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 39 New
        -1
        mikh-korsakov
        given the full control of the West



        .... in the ruin of complete control ..never anyone has !!! If there was then no one would have allowed such a mess! bully
    5. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 36 New
      0
      It also seems to me that this is only the beginning .... I do not want to think about the end! hi
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 11 November 2015 11: 58 New
    -1
    I agree, with the exception of some unimportant forecasts. But wait and see.
  • 0255
    0255 11 November 2015 12: 01 New
    +8
    In general, the situation in Ukraine cannot be stabilized on the “Minsk” foundation. The next 2016, its action will officially end, and we will see how he will fall apart and bury Poroshenko under his debris. Talk about prolonging it is talk. Poroshenko failed Joe Biden's plan for Ukraine and will be punished. As a result, the situation in Ukraine and Novorossia will move ...

    Comrade analysts, how many very quick predictions have you already predicted for us in Ukraine? From the beginning of the battles near Slavyansk, you promise us the third Maidan, but just not there. Who remembers the forecasts of the third Maidan for October 2014? Who remembers the predictions that Yulia Tymoshenko or dissatisfied fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard, who returned from the anti-terrorist operation zone, will drown Kiev in blood and overthrow Poroshenko? There were also promises that Ukraine would be cut off gas, Ukrainians would freeze, and the Kiev junta would not last winter. Or that Kharkov, Odessa, Zaporozhye are about to rise and then there will be a kapets to all the Kiev authorities. According to forecasts, Transcarpathia was also about to revolt against Kiev, and Kiev was to get a war on 2 fronts again with the fast end of the junta.
    While the war is on, people are dying precisely in the pro-Russian regions of Ukraine, and not in the Bandera Lviv or Ivano-Frankivsk region. For many, the Russian world is already associated exclusively with war and devastation. Relatives of the dead Ukrainian military will obviously not fall in love with Russia, because they think that Russia attacked them.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 11 November 2015 12: 04 New
    +2
    What do you think, and the management system in the Russian Federation will not be violated if there is a subject with a population of over 40 million people, in which two-ninths of the country's population would live? But these are also voters, politicians, officials, and a tradition of local self-government different from the Russian Federation. Of the 450 State Duma deputies, 100 would be representatives of one entity. But it will not be a region or region, but a republic of the Russian Federation, which has the right, according to our Constitution, to another, along with Russian, state language, that is, to Ukrainian. Four millionth Tatarstan and two millionth Chechnya cannot manage the same methods that are used in most other regions. And what can we say about the 40 millionth region? And will Crimea have to be returned to this gigantic subject, or will it have to enter the Russian Federation directly? By the way, this gigantic entity may, in an unfavorable situation, become the center of association for a number of other republics of the Russian Federation with the aim of joint pressure on the federal government to break through privileges and additional powers. In general, this asymmetry will be a huge burden for the entire mechanism of the functioning of power in the Russian Federation. And to create as a counterbalance other super-powerful and self-sufficient entities is also inexpedient, this can greatly damage state unity.
    There are more questions than answers. On the one hand, for the convenience of management in this case, it would be better to include Ukraine in the Russian Federation not as a single entity, but in the form of 5-7 subjects of the federation. Or another option - not to be included in the Russian Federation, and together with the Russian Federation to create a new union state. Both options have many disadvantages. And what to do with those regions of Ukraine whose inhabitants are uniquely for independence? And there are such regions. And there are those where the pro-Russian and anti-Russian sentiments are about the same. It is impractical to include them in the Russian Federation. It turns out that in any very favorable situation, even a smaller but independent Ukraine will remain. How to build a relationship with her? Further. In any case, even in those regions that will hypothetically enter the Russian Federation, there will be a fairly large stratum of pro-Ukrainian people, a significant, and possibly most of them, will simultaneously have Ukrainian citizenship (a hypothetical residual Ukrainian state), some people will not become citizens Of the Russian Federation and will have the status of citizens of Ukraine permanently residing in the Russian Federation. In order not to completely ruin our relations with the West, we will, perforce, have to take into account the interests of these groups of the population.
    Keep in mind that for all this, there is a considerable chance of maintaining an independent Ukraine (albeit without the Crimea and Donbass).
    Such is the information for consideration. It seems to me that for now there are more questions than answers.
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 11 November 2015 12: 17 New
      0
      You might think that someone will give us Ukraine.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 11 November 2015 12: 18 New
        +3
        You might think that someone will ask ...
      2. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 41 New
        -2
        mikh-korsakov
        someone will give us Ukraine


        ... and who holds it then? hung it on the snot .. over the catcher! bully
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 11 November 2015 12: 11 New
    +1

    a joke of humor
  • Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 11 November 2015 13: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Lead
    As Strelkov is still alive, very surprised and happy for him, I hope that he can still work for the good of the country.


    Well, I don’t know. Shooters are just an adventurer. I have no doubt that but Patriot and Citizen since communicated with him in the Crimean epic. There he was adequate. Then he seemed to have the roof blown down. True, after that I saw him only once. But what can it serve the country?

    To draw, either economically or militarily, an unprepared country into a confrontation with the powers that be? How can this end for us? Completely insulated? Economic collapse? Revolution? Shooters are a good fuse for a grenade, but a grenade should not be frail.

    In the spring of 2014, the idea of ​​the authorities that Strelkov should now be isolated caused "noble indignation". How? whom? Patriot and Citizen? Bastards! traitors!

    And now I think that it would be necessary to isolate it.

    Then even today extremists would not sit in the Rada and they would not have a constitutional majority, and at least 30% would be loyal to us. They would not have a monopoly in the media.

    And the Senya from the beneys, if not in 2015, then in 2016 would have been picked up.

    What now do we have? The enemy’s country is at its very borders. With a population of 40 million, the majority of whom dislikes us, to put it mildly, and it is already quite ready to let NATO in. And another unfortunate enclave that cannot be abandoned.
    The endless trouble in the economy ... Confrontation with the entire Western world ...


    And in many ways this is the merit of Mr. Strelkov. This is truly the role of personality in history ...

    Well, personally, I wish Strelkov health and many years to come.

    For one beaten, two not beaten are given.

    Here a party is planned in RISI I think I will see him again ..
  • Ultima15
    Ultima15 11 November 2015 13: 12 New
    +4
    Another biased article designed to justify what happened. No war with NATO would have occurred if the demarcation line had crossed the Dnieper. It would be exactly the same: sanctions, pressure, attempts at diplomatic isolation. We missed the historic opportunity for the reunion of peoples. Now the Bandera ideology of Russophobia will be rooted deeper in Ukrainian society, there will be no second chance for a bloodless reunion.
  • slizhov
    slizhov 11 November 2015 13: 14 New
    0
    I don’t think that specialists in the DPR and LPR are pulling heavily at LUKHOV and seeing, as they say, the supply of equipment, including helicopters, for the purpose of attack, they are demonstrating with stupid force their RESPONSE of technology with smaller and smaller caliber.
    Most likely ... when flying, for example, into the air of aircraft with the aim of bombing,
    they will be shot down with astonishing speed for all.
    I see that the night vision equipment appeared steeper, and ... officers appeared more experienced ...
    No, now at the highest posts in Russia, those who would run into Syria and with great success bury the bearded TVA-rays, and at their side would leave at the mercy of many of those who really were, are and will be our brothers, who are not able to spend experiments on banderlogs and these junta democrats ...
  • Buffalo
    Buffalo 11 November 2015 13: 19 New
    +3
    Psaki is not a politician, Kamenev is not an analyst. laughing
    Bullshit, as always ...
  • Simple russian
    Simple russian 11 November 2015 16: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    But in any case, Donbass, Ukraine (all) will be ours.

    Controversial statement. Western Ukraine, IMHO, will never be ours, but it has never been, by and large.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 11 November 2015 17: 44 New
      -1
      Simple russian
      Western Ukraine IMHO, ours will never be


      ... here it’s not without ... reservations ... restitution is a thing ... AWESOME ...... and only in western Ukraine ... it was felt by the ... then ... bully
  • 71rus
    71rus 11 November 2015 16: 26 New
    0
    Moreover, in conventional weapons, and allied countries, the West now has a significant advantage over Russia. Author Victor Kamenev

    Victor, how about substantiating your statement?
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 11 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +1
    Mythology
    1. The Minsk agreements thwarted the militia’s successful offensive. It did not run out of steam, it was at the very peak of its development. The culmination of events was the defeat of the boiler near Ilovaisk and the destruction of the group under the Red Beam. The Debaltsev group was practically in the boiler and the question of withdrawing at least people from it was considered. Subversive groups of militias and vacationers were seen near Berdyansk, Melitopol and even Genichesky - and there were no punitive troops throughout Mariupol to Crimea. Militia units were under Volnovakha and, according to some reports, even entered it. The fortified area under the aroport, for which there are now heavy, albeit local battles, was practically abandoned - the shelling of Donetsk almost ceased for some time, in any case, targeted.

    In fact, in the south and west of the DPR, the punitive suffered a complete military defeat, and the continuation of hostilities could completely clear the entire west and south of the Donetsk region, create a corridor to the Crimea and drive up to a third of the remaining forces in the north of Donetsk into boilers.

    In Lugansk, the situation developed similarly - the militia troops of the Minsk Armistice were stopped on the approach to the line of the Seversky Donets, and reconnaissance groups already went far north, probing the offensive.

    The defeat of the junta's troops thwarted all plans in Washington, Berlin and Brussels, and therefore in Moscow a plan for a peaceful settlement was really hastily and on its knees. What exactly was said to the president is unknown, but the fact that he approved the proposals of the "peacekeepers" quite clearly shows that forgery and deception about what is happening at the front went along all the lines. "Putin's 7 Points" were promoted by court propagandists and central TV channels - which also quite convincingly showed in whose hands the media and propaganda are.
    .
    http://etoonda.livejournal.com/916803.html
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 11 November 2015 17: 06 New
    0
    .
    It should be remembered that it was under Obama that a small change appeared in the US military doctrine - now the task of the US army is "global domination with the ability to wage one local conflict." Previously, the task was the ability to simultaneously conduct two local conflicts. In other words, the US has now completely exhausted its capabilities, and Obama's attempts to withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan are prompted by the understanding of the trap into which they drove themselves under Bush.

    The lies that the "peacekeepers" are strenuously producing are aimed precisely at creating horror at the power of NATO.

    Another myth in the same series - will you send your son to fight in Ukraine? Strong argument. But who will ask us when the hostilities will unfold in our cities? And the surrender of Russia's positions in Ukraine means only that the war will cross over our borders. The 15th year may well be the last pre-war. By 16, the US Army will be withdrawn from Afghanistan and will become a real threat. Not mythical. Of course, she will not directly fight, she will stand behind the armies of her limitrophs. Including hordes of Islamists, which were somehow forgotten against the background of events in Ukraine. However, in the 15th and especially the 16th year, three dangerous directions threatened from the outside of Russia at once - the Crimea, the North Caucasus and Central Asia. And everywhere, the Islamists will play the first fiddle. The victory of the militia in New Russia is the elimination of one of the threats. In Crimea.
    .
    http://etoonda.livejournal.com/916803.html?nojs=1
  • ermolai
    ermolai 11 November 2015 18: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    They didn’t send troops to the Donbass, to Ukraine — that was impossible.

    But in any case, Donbass, Ukraine (all) will be ours.

    but without Bandera, even in the north, without the mandatory castration of both sexes, you cannot be seconded.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 11 November 2015 19: 13 New
    0
    Again a panic article and NATO fear. No one from Ukraine would have twitched. And even because of the Baltic states.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 11 November 2015 19: 44 New
    0
    Two adjacent topics with a much smaller number of comments. Yes, interest in topics about Ukraine does not fade away.
    Here I look and not only me on such topics. When this garbage has already died out.
  • Stilet
    Stilet 11 November 2015 22: 41 New
    0
    Is logical. We look forward to continuing.
  • Aleksiy
    Aleksiy 12 November 2015 01: 07 New
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    Another article from the huge HPP folder. At the Kharkov Turboatom, they reduced two thousand people, the enterprise leads to bankruptcy and the dribbling, like a bull for slaughter, but after all, this enterprise worked count for Russia, and there are a lot of such examples. A fire near the borders, and instead of putting out a fire, they rushed to Syria. The Americans support the Nazis, unlike Russian support for the DNI and LC. The Nazis lose, yuesai gives the STOP command, and the successful militia attack stops. Some kind of delusional Minsky appears, on which the Nazis put, but the whole world forces the militia to treaties. The shelling of Donetsk continues all the time, now more frequent, where is the reaction of Russia? It is clear and audible: so many sorties, so many destroyed, in Syria. Still, how does it turn out that oil in Syria goes to the United States, Turkey and others like them, and fights Russia at its own expense? The support of Russia in the southeast in 2014 was simply huge, and this is where they simply merged, and where everyone is trying to merge. Maybe it’s worth recognizing: they thought to take Crimea, but they won’t notice and forgive, and will it be as before? It didn’t work out. Now there is a constant retreat. Thousands of square kilometers of Russian land were given (leased, handed over, donated) to the country of China, technology was transferred, in Ukraine everything that worked for Russia simply collapses, the United States has its own fat for everything and everyone, warmed themselves the EU, Ukraine, switched Islamists to Russia. And what is not an article in RuNet, so only victory, but in fact, okromya Crimea and there is nothing. There are a couple of questions for the adherents of the KhPP: who supplies the junta with energy resources, who gives loans to the junta, who promised the protection of Russians in Ukraine ... The State Department probably. In such a mess, there is only one thing left to say: Serdyukov, come, put things in order, and, by the way, here he is.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 12 November 2015 07: 56 New
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      Aleksiy
      yes, by the way, here he is.



      ... it's mine ... I can’t get an answer from you .... will we be dispossessed in Canada by the bourgeoisie or not? wassat
      1. Aleksiy
        Aleksiy 12 November 2015 23: 48 New
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        You can’t get dispossessed of Chngo, first find in Canada the same person as the Gaspadin of Serdyukov, with the same punishment for impudent theft, here we will start from him (her).
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 13 November 2015 05: 55 New
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          Aleksiy

          for starters, the country of Canada has the same person as the Gaspadin of Serdyukov

          .... why are we surnames then? ..... we, by the number of zeros ... on bank cards ... we'll see. What is your last name then? We’re not going to baptize our children with children .... or how? belay