Media: Syrian tankers began to deliver dynamic protection

Before the start of the civil war, the Syrian army managed to establish the “Contact-1” dynamic protection (DZ) of only a fraction of its available tanks T-72. Over time, most of the DZ "killed" during the fighting, and it turned into a real deficit, writes Roman Katkov in an article for Messenger of Mordovia.

The lack of protection blocks Syrian craftsmen tried to compensate for homemade protivokumulyativnymi screens, or even just sandbags. Recently, however, apparently, the shortage of "Contact-1" began to be filled with new supplies.

“The Syrians seem to have started getting sets of dynamic protection. Already several times, looking at materials coming from combat areas, I have noticed tanks with handicraft superimposed elements of the DZ, ”said Yuri Lyamin, an expert on the Syrian theme.

He illustrated his words with a photo (screenshot from the video), in which the frontal part of the Syrian T-72А is covered with green DZ blocks. In this case, the tank itself has a sand color.

“True, it was mounted, apparently, in a great hurry and not in the way it should be. As a result, significant undisclosed areas remained, which may adversely affect the survivability of the vehicle in battle, ”the author concludes.

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[GRAY]

That's better than nothing at all.

[vodolaz]

I watch the Syrian army began to prepare for the offensive. And then some American bastard put the Jewels to the Ishilovites and trained them to use.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: vodolaz

I watch the Syrian army began to prepare for the offensive. And then some American bastard put the Jewels to the Ishilovites and trained them to use.

And this warehouse with the Javelins was covered on Saturday near Idlib. Exactly two days after the receipt of information.

[hydrox]

[quote = Lord of the Sith] [quote = vodolaz]
And this warehouse with the Javelins was covered on Saturday near Idlib. Exactly two days after the receipt of information. [/ Quote]

Vladyka, it’s not the time to calm down, they will come - and more!
The Syrians would now throw long-range fights, but the T-72 with the Stora (otherwise it’s not good: they are equipped, but they didn’t go into battle, the engineers did not have enough material to improve the design) ...

[YARUSSIAN39]

As Putin told the Americans "that it would be a big mistake if they send anti-tank complexes to the moderate," they did not listen to him, and if Putin said, Putin did ..: D

[hydrox]

Quote: vodolaz

. And then some American bastard

Why "some" if it is American?
Everything that emanates from the amers is for Russia one big AMERICAN evil ...

[Forest]

There are no javelins in Syria, there is only TOW.

[Talgat]

Quote: GRAY

That's better than nothing at all.

this is actually an omission of the Russian military

Forgot to be loaded into the BDK, which constantly bring weapons to Syria

you just need to urgently deliver. it doesn’t take up much space, I hope that soon all Syrian tanks will have normal Russian dynamic protection and not home-made

[venaya]

Syrian tankers began to deliver dynamic protection

And this is a clear sign of preparation for real offensive actions. It seems that the jokes are over, more targets for aviation can no longer be found.

[Scoun]

Quote: venaya

It seems that the jokes are over, more targets for aviation can no longer be found.

That's for sure! While the Aerospace Forces disrupts the supply, communications, command, planning of terrorists, until they have found methods to adapt to the new realities, while the "iron" is still hot after the attacks of the Aerospace Forces ... it is necessary to forge it and DZ is an excellent help.

Perhaps one of the most benign news for today ... even though the DZ is not very skillfully set yet, while there is time to advance, it is necessary to advance and probably the "second echelon" of tanks will be with a normally installed DZ, and now, according to the principle, rather into battle and try on "shoulders "terrorist attacks go further and this is facilitated by the presence of remote sensing on the tanks, and then there were too many losses and restrictions on the use of tanks.

[NordUral]

Strange, why is there no layout scheme for the protection units in the most dangerous areas of the armor? It cannot be that we do not have it.

[figwam]

This is the T-72A, (export version of the T-72M), it did not have active protection installed, the field revision is in the photo.

[vorobey]

Quote: venaya

Syrian tankers began to deliver dynamic protection

And this is a clear sign of preparation for real offensive actions. It seems that the jokes are over, more targets for aviation can no longer be found.

and the answer to deliveries of TOU ... by the way, how many videos I’ve looked through ... I can make a number of criticisms of the Syrians ... conducting military operations in the city, knowing about the possibility of using anti-tank weapons, they practically do not use Cloud or TDA, but in cooperation with the infantry, a cloud could cover the movement of assault groups and a TDA mounted on a tank, even in urban conditions, would complicate aiming at the tank ... a shot from behind in its own cloud .. I would like to hope that the mechanic guides learn the driving technique .. for a very long time P follows a shot tank get under way to change the position or in the shelter ..

[Hey]

It's just that the Syrians did not have such an instructor who would clearly explain how to act in such a situation.

[tomket]

Quote: venaya

And this is a clear sign of preparation for real offensive actions. Looks like the jokes are over

The jokes would end if Assad was shipped by the t-90MS and the MiG-29M2 regiment. Then it would be possible to conclude that everything is serious, as well as the next half-measures of yesterday ....

[vorobey]

Quote: tomket

if Assad shipped a batch of t-90MS

the party T () ms doesn’t solve anything ... or you think it doesn’t burn .. the fact that the tanks are shipped is a fact .. recently the article was true and they ship what the Syrians can afford at a price .. judging by the pictures, these are our cars from the capital different years of production (instead of which new vehicles are entering the troops).

as you can see, our air group is enough there, and Assad aviation has intensified ...

[Black Colonel]

Well, why would he need a MiG? Is that the Turks and the Jews to drive. There more "Rooks" are appropriate.

[engineer74]

“True, it was mounted, apparently, in a big hurry and not in the way it should be.

Better with her than without her! And right to hang, I think there is someone to teach!
If it has already reached the elements of DZ, then there are no problems with ammunition, spare parts, consumables.

[tomket]

Quote: engineer74

And right to hang, I think there is someone to teach!

Judging by the photo, the Syrians were properly trained to attach DZs to the t-72BZ designer.

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Judging by the photo, the Syrians were properly trained to attach DZs to the t-72BZ designer.

But still I want to say in defense of the Syrians that DZ has never been put on this modification of the T-72. Better than that.

[Aleksandr72]

Judging by how the blocks are installed, the following options can be suggested:
1) the reactive armor blocks are real, but on this instance of the tank there were no bonoks for attaching standard DZ blocks (possibly an old modification of the T-72), so the Syrians handicraftly installed the blocks according to the principle "I blinded it from what it was." But even such a DZ installation is much better for a tank and especially its crew than a "naked" tank without DZ blocks at all.
2) blocks of dynamic protection "fake" - this is a handicraft imitation for fear of enemies, put on the same principle as option No. 1. Although this is unlikely - if we were to imitate, then the blocks would also be repainted in sand - at least it would look more logical.
From where the real blocks of DZ could get into Syria - guess for yourself!
I have the honor.

[voyaka uh]

"dynamic protection units" fake "-
this is a handicraft imitation of the fear of enemies "////

How can DZ blocks scare the enemy?
ATGM still shoot - and suddenly pass.
In the Donbass over there even tanks densely-densely hung DZ made their way.
And the Israeli Patton, hung with DZ by all the rules, without a single gap,
sometimes made their way to Yu.Livan in 1982. DZ is not a very reliable thing.
50 to 50....

[Aleksandr72]

I do not insist that this will be exactly so, but I think that if the operator of the ATGM is an Arab jihadist, then he will certainly launch an ATGM at such a tank with "correction for Allah", without thinking about where the missile will hit, whether it will hit at all, and if will hit, then will the tank hit.
But if a more trained fighter is sitting (lying) behind the ATGM console, then he will think about how and where to shoot, especially if the missile is without a tandem warhead. And he will probably prefer to choose a less protected target, which is exactly what these specific Syrian tankers require in this particular case.
I have the honor.
PS And you can hit even a very well-protected modern tank from a heavy machine gun. There were precedents. But this is an accident, and relying on the will of chance in the war ... let's say so fraught.

[i80186]

Quote: voyaka uh

How can DZ blocks scare the enemy?
ATGM still shoot - and suddenly pass.

The logic is iron. It was then necessary to shoot from all the available rifle, you can damage the sight. Especially machine gunners should be engaged in this, well, what would the tankers definitely not feel sorry for the shell.

[voyaka uh]

for i80186:
"It is then necessary to shoot from all available small arms" ////

In my post, only "ATGM" was written. You are commenting on someone
other not me .

[figwam]

How can DZ blocks scare the enemy?
ATGM still shoot - and suddenly pass.
In the Donbass over there even tanks densely-densely hung DZ made their way.
And the Israeli Patton, hung with DZ by all the rules, without a single gap,
sometimes made their way to Yu.Livan in 1982. DZ is not a very reliable thing.
50 to 50....

DZ saves only from the usual cumulative.

[i80186]

Quote: figvam

DZ saves only from the usual cumulative.

Well, who knows. Actually, even without additional protection, the probability of penetration of the T-72 frontal combined armor by tandem ammunition is far from unity, what can we say about ammunition falling into the DZ block above the armor. Again, this is how it all looked like here. This is the T-62, and not modernized. Tracks on towers, shell boxes with earth on the face. But bricks and bags were used, and anything else. If someone were told that young cats smeared with condensed milk help, all the tanks would be in them.
Tank 93 MP 100 DON Chechnya 2001

[figwam]

Quote: i80186

Quote: figvam

DZ saves only from the usual cumulative.

Well, who knows.

[anti-Semite]

An interesting version of the modernization of t 55 http://panzer-journal.ru/art/model-tanka-t-55-enigma.html

[Weyland]

Quote: figvam

DZ saves only from the usual cumulative.

Why? Against the sub-caliber, it is much more effective!

[Forest]

It is worth seeing how tanks were destroyed in the Donbass - many DZ had for the appearance - empty boxes (thanks to the Ukrainian ensign). For many tanks, they worked with heavy machine guns in order to remove the DZ, where mines were shot down by many rapiers.

[anti-Semite]

from conventional RPGs helps from modern rifles with a tandem warhead no longer

[iConst]

Quote: Alexander72

Judging by how the blocks are installed, the following options can be suggested:

- And another option is that the supplied DZ units are still extremely small and they are "smeared" over the existing machines.

[Peterhof 73]

Tell Alexander, what is the shelf life of plates in DZ containers? Or is such a period unlimited? Apparently the supply of containers is carried out as they wear out, like spare parts for discontinued cars. Then it becomes clear why the Syrians are installing them on the modification of tanks not intended for the installation of DZ initially. Apparently, the T-72B was simply knocked out in battle for 4 years. At least in the TV pictures they are seen less and less. But even the T-54 (55) and T-62 (early modifications) flash.

[Aleksandr72]

No, of course, the shelf life of DZ containers is not unlimited, because BB over time loses its quality. But note in my comment I wrote:

the ERA units are real, but this tank did not have bonoks for attaching standard DZ blocks (possibly an old T-72 modification), so the Syrians handily installed the blocks according to the principle "I blinded it from what was."

In my opinion, from this it is clear that I had in mind just this:

the Syrians install them on modifications of tanks not intended for the installation of DZ initially

I have the honor.

[Wolka]

some military supplies from Russia are not lethal, and why not ...

[Santa bear]

Green dynamic protection straight from the homeland of polite green men

[Corsair0304]

Looks like another BDK came in. Apparently "Contacts" was raised from warehouses, yet it has been produced since 1982. In principle, against what ISIS now has should be enough. Now, if sub-caliber shells appear, then you will have to switch to Contact-5 and higher. And of course, teach the Syrian soldiers how to properly attach to armor.

[tomket]

Quote: Corsair0304

In principle, against what ISIS now has should be enough.

Against the Javelin ???

[vch62388]

Does ISIS have Javelins? According to the chronicle, apart from "TOU", no recoil of unidentified nationality and RPG-7 with old grenades, nothing else is visible.

[Aroma77]

In addition to the TOW ATGM, there are also these. "Our" partners "from France and Saudi Arabia supplied the Islamists of Syria with new French-made APILAS anti-tank grenade launchers. France and Saudi Arabia have tens of thousands of APILAS RPGs."

[vch62388]

Sorry, I have not seen. But better so ...

[Markiz_A]

Apilas is over 30 years old, and your pH is new.

[roskot]

Everything for business, everything for victory.

[Afinogen]

In the Soviet Union developed a network on the barrel against cumulative charges

[vorobey]

Quote: Athenogen

In the Soviet Union developed a network on the barrel against cumulative charges

in the city - a one-time device ..

[engineer74]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Athenogen

In the Soviet Union developed a network on the barrel against cumulative charges

in the city - a one-time device ..

What cities after a nuclear strike ???
"It will be quiet and warm,
There will be ash and glass! "
ETOGES, it seems, they did under Nikita ...

[Afinogen]

Quote: vorobey

in the city - a one-time device ..

And what is reusable dynamic protection?

[vorobey]

Quote: Athenogen

Quote: vorobey

in the city - a one-time device ..

And what is reusable dynamic protection?

you are clearly not a tankman ... the barrel turned away and flew into the board ..

[Afinogen]

Quote: vorobey

you are clearly not a tankman ... the barrel turned away and flew into the side

Not a tanker I didn’t write that the hunting net on the trunk is a panacea for cumulative charges, otherwise this idea would be put into series, although the net looks elegant and develops on the trunk, not just that the equipment will be fired with grills

[vorobey]

Quote: Athenogen

I didn’t write that the hunting net on the trunk is a panacea for cumulative charges,

I do not blame for this ... just even the fuel tanks along the side and the spare parts boxes on the fenders have the functions of anti-cumulative screens ... the Israelis used chains ... also an option but there’s nowhere to put them on 72 ... with me 72 just hung with boxes DZ without explosives kept a grenade launcher hit .. the box was deformed and changed the direction of the jet ...

[yushch]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Athenogen

In the Soviet Union developed a network on the barrel against cumulative charges

in the city - a one-time device ..

Even this "once" will give the crew the opportunity to fight and stay alive. In general, judging by the picture, this device is located along the barrel and opens like an umbrella at the right moment, so it may not be enough for one time.

[Deniska999]

Our four years later came to their senses. Bravo.

[marinier]

Yes, give me time.
Unconditionally, RUSSIA is knowingly more active but not free of charge Assad.
Eeyore, they think that in RUSSIA there is a unique case to bring their achievements to V.P.K.
BEFORE PERFECTION: Russia is more actively involved in identifying its circle
interests and half of their preferences in Syria.

P.S.A. from Assad eats 4 rafts for the supply of weapons.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: marinier

P.S.A. from Assad eats 4 rafts for the supply of weapons.

- 4 years in the war, the main wells are lost. There would be enough ammunition! No need to be squalids and peel like a sticky old ally.

[engineer74]

I think full-fledged bases in Latakia and Tartus will already be a sufficient fee! And the impact on the region for money is generally poorly recounted.

[Aleksandr2012]

But does contact 1 save from Tow?

[vch62388]

From the old (first). How lucky here. And the question is, what percentage of equipment is hit by ATGMs? In my opinion, the conversation on TV was about grenade launchers who "downright hunt" for armor.

[rotmistr60]

As a result, significant uncovered areas remained.

Obviously for the sake of "economy". One full protection for two tanks. Correctly wrote above that it is better this way than not how. And where it came from is clear. Good luck to the Syrian tankers.

[dchegrinec]

sandbags it still did not go! The main thing is that the bricks on the tape did not become glued. Of course, it would be necessary to help the guys!

[vorobey]

Quote: dchegrinec

The main thing is that the bricks on the tape did not become glued

forum users and such proposals expressed .. and boxes of spare parts to fill up with a brick ..

[Severodvinsk]

Good ad on VO

[tomket]

Quote: Severodvinsk

Good ad on VO

Advertising is usually driven by the browser based on what you were previously interested in in the search engine.

[engineer74]

On the "Censor" somehow got out "Russian citizenship on a turnkey basis" - I barely got myself from under the table!
(I can’t do screenshots by phone )

[Zomanus]

Now we’ll buy a couple of bulk carriers from the Turks and there will be tanks from storage depots.
In general, it is clear that the Syrians are raking everything that we ourselves have to dispose of.
Well, in some places there is a run-in of new samples.

[Aleksandr72]

Well, you know, in the warehouses of the "illiquid assets" of the Russian army, there is "old stuff" in such quantity and with such quality that even after not very serious repairs, when delivered at a price slightly higher than scrap metal (in order to only recoup the "repair", i.e. de-conservation) and transportation) can be quite successfully used by third world countries in any local conflict. And for Bashar al-Assad and the Syrian army, even such an "old", but familiar and battle-tested weapon is much better than the absence thereof.
At the same time, Russia does not need to spend money on recycling.
I have the honor.

[KGB WATCH YOU]

Tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are already there.

Here they are in Novorossiysk:

In Syria:

First loss:

[ydjin]

In a war, planting is not without losses ... May God grant the courage and strength of the Syrian army!

[ydjin]

In a war, planting is not without losses ... May God grant the courage and strength of the Syrian army!

[Vadim237]

The troops of Syria Shilok would put a large party.

[mamont5]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Quote: vodolaz

I watch the Syrian army began to prepare for the offensive. And then some American bastard put the Jewels to the Ishilovites and trained them to use.

And this warehouse with the Javelins was covered on Saturday near Idlib. Exactly two days after the receipt of information.

In this regard, he wants to tell a recently heard anecdote:
"Two Russian pilots are talking in Syria after departure. One says:
- Today the headquarters of ISIS covered.
And second:
- What, the main headquarters?
- No, the main one on another continent.

So I want to ask, when, finally, the main warehouse will be covered?

[ydjin]

Quote: mamont5

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Quote: vodolaz

I watch the Syrian army began to prepare for the offensive. And then some American bastard put the Jewels to the Ishilovites and trained them to use.

And this warehouse with the Javelins was covered on Saturday near Idlib. Exactly two days after the receipt of information.

In this regard, he wants to tell a recently heard anecdote:
"Two Russian pilots are talking in Syria after departure. One says:
- Today the headquarters of ISIS covered.
And second:
- What, the main headquarters?
- No, the main one on another continent.

So I want to ask, when, finally, the main warehouse will be covered?

Sorry, but this is populism (((it's not sad, but this "main headquarters" cannot be bombed, however, as they cannot! Such are the realities ... The fight is on the economy and the margin of safety. Or the artificially inflated financial bubble of the US economy will collapse, or we will not be too hardy! Draw your own conclusions, we wavered in 1991. And we still slurp the consequences of this weakness! ...

[v.yegorov]

Better late than never! The heart is bleeding, watching them shoot T-55 ATGMs. The real heroes are Syrian tankers who go to battle on such junk!