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Palestine’s Middle East problem

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Recently, in disputes and commentaries on articles devoted to events in the Middle East, especially those related to Israel, the reference to Palestine and Palestinians has often been mentioned. In my Soviet days, the problems of the Palestinian people, who were leading an unequal struggle against the Israeli occupiers, also received fairly wide coverage. Well, really, who in the USSR did not know who Yasir Arafat was? Well, unless only absolutely drunken mechanic from ZhEKA.


Palestine’s Middle East problem


Times have changed many times since then, values ​​and priorities, too. And the question of the so-called Palestinian refugees still stands today. Sometimes, but makes its way into the information field of the world.

And it became interesting to me, and what Palestine is today, and how Palestinians differ from their fellow refugees. And I sat down at the sources of information, because, as the ancient Arab wisdom says, "the seen does not need clarification." And I saw Palestinians only on TV.

After reading history of the state of Palestine, I discovered for myself that the Palestine we have today has nothing to do with historical Palestine. The same is true of Israel. The place there was very lively, and in large and small massacres both Palestine and Israel were repeatedly conquered, conquered, renamed. In general, being was very lively.

The final final came in the 1291 year, when the Egyptians conquered Palestine, and until its next re-conquest Palestine was a province of Egypt. Until 1517, when the Turks ruled the ball. They did it a little longer than the Egyptians, right up to the 1917 year, when the British podgreb all under themselves.

In general, at that time the UK was the world’s evil, and in the Middle East the British had no competitors.

2 November 1917, the English government published the Balfour Declaration, which promised to promote the creation in Palestine of a "national home for the Jewish people." In 1921, three quarters of the territory of the mandate, the United Kingdom gave Transiordan to a separate emirate, from which an independent kingdom of Transjordan was later formed (in 1946). And from 1919 to 1939, the year began the worldwide relocation of Jews to this territory. And the European authorities (including Hitler who joined in) helped in this way in every possible way.

This is the question of "who created Israel."

Things were pretty fun, by the 1945, the Jewish population of Palestine was 33% compared to 11% in 1922. The Palestinians are beginning to strain a little. And began, speaking in modern language, pre-Maid sentiment.

All again ruined by the British.

In 1947, the British government refused the mandate for Palestine, arguing that it was unable to find an acceptable solution for Arabs and Jews.

November 29 The United Nations adopted a partition plan for Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution No. 1947). This plan assumed the division of Palestine into two states - Arab and Jewish. Jerusalem was declared an international city under the control of the UN in order to prevent conflict over its status.

The Yishuv (Jews living in Israel) accepted this plan, but the League of Arab States and the Higher Arab Committee of Mandatory Palestine rejected it.

In December 1947, the High Commissioner of Palestine submitted to the Ministry of Colony Affairs a forecast that the territory allocated for the creation of an Arab state would be divided between Syria (eastern Galilee), Transjordan (Samaria and Judea) and Egypt (southern ).

Why war? And everything is simple. There was such an organization, KAKAL, something like an all-Jewish obshchak, which bought up land in those territories. And at the time of those events, about 1 250 square kilometers of Palestinian land actually belonged to the Jews. And of course, the Jews were not going to sell it. They created for themselves Israel.

14 May 1948, the formation of the State of Israel was proclaimed in the former territory of Mandatory Palestine.

The next day, seven Arab states (Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Yemen) attacked a new country, thereby starting the First Arab-Israeli War.

And before they started, they called on their brethren to leave Israel. Say, brothers, you go away from there, so as not to fall under the batch, and then when we hang the Jews, then come back. But came the most severe bummer. The coalition really grabbed the Jews, after a year of hostilities, a truce was announced and temporary boundaries were identified, called the Green Line.

Transjordan annexed what was later called the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip remained under the control of Egypt.

By the way, the declared Arab state in the former mandate territory was never created.

But it was then that the ill-fated Palestinian refugee camps were created. Those who escaped before the war, and the number was estimated at 800 thousand, it was necessary to shove somewhere. Because not everyone was eager to return to the Jews, and the Jews, of course, were not so tolerant at that time.

And since the Arab League (League of Arab States) did not plan to stop having fun with Israel, the refugees became hostage to the situation. Nobody was going to assimilate them, despite the fact that, in general, they were Arabs brothers. Moreover, to emphasize that they are nobody's, in the camps, in the territory of the same Jordan there were no representatives of the Jordanian government. The administration, the police - everything was from the Palestinians. Say, we feed and feed you, and the rest - ourselves.

Everything would probably have been gradually assimilated by the Palestinians, would have received the citizenship of the countries in whose territories they lived, but Shukeyri, Hammud happened, and then came full Arafat. That is, the PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization).

The PLO was founded in 1964 by decision of the League of Arab States with the aim of "liberating Palestine and granting" the legitimate rights of the Arab population of Palestine. "

The PLO’s policy document is the Palestinian Charter adopted by the Palestinian National Council in Cairo in 1968, which provided for the liquidation of Israel, the elimination of the Zionist presence in Palestine, and considered Palestine as an “indivisible regional entity within the borders of the British Mandate”.

In general, LAS found what to occupy these refugees. The liberation of Palestine, that is, the war with Israel. The fact that part of this Palestine was occupied by Egypt and Jordan did not bother anyone. The process has begun.

At first everything was nothing, but then Arafat began to really go to the roof, and he declared war on the king of Jordan Hussein. In a fairly short time, the PLO equipped its main bridgehead in Jordan, from which it regularly struck Israel. Amman Airport regularly took airliners that Palestinians hijacked from international airlines, which formed the image of Jordan as a hotbed of terrorism.

Attempts by King Hussein to pacify the Palestinians were not successful. The main trump card of the PLO was a few millions of refugees who had accumulated by that time, who had found shelter in Jordan, which Arafat threatened to arm and throw against the royal army if anything happened. Refugee camps controlled by armed Palestinian troops played a role. Well, plus the presence of a huge amount weapons.

And Hussein decided to rein in Arafat a little. However, all this resulted in a Middle Eastern disgrace, in which Syria joined on the PLO side. And for Jordan, Israel and the United States harnessed.

As a result, the army of Jordan, which is fighting on two fronts, nevertheless hung the PLO. About 10 thousands of Palestinians were killed, and about 150 thousands were not very politely asked from the country. A part went to the allies in Syria, a part (another stupid thing of Israel) went to Lebanon through Israeli territory.

Prior to the arrival of Gopnik Arafat, Lebanon was called none other than "Middle Eastern Switzerland." Tourism, banks, high standard of living. Moreover, the state was Christian, which positively reflected on tolerance towards all those living.

But the PLO came, and it began. It is clear that after stating in such numbers, the Sunnis from the PLO decided to change everything a bit for themselves. And the struggle of the PLO with Christian apartheid in Lebanon began. The result is a civil war based on religion. The result is about 144 thousands of dead. Even Assad (the father of the current Bashar), who initially actively supported the PLO, at the end "merged" the allies and sent troops into Lebanon.

Are we grieving (some so far) for 800 killed in Sabra and Shatila? Yes, it is human. And you can blame Israel for not stopping the slaughter. But the total number of Christians who perished during the 15 years of the civil war in Lebanon is not impressive? I'm impressed. And so much so that grieving for a handful of Sunni terrorists in comparison with thousands of Christians ... Soul does not rise, to be honest.

Eventually, Arafat left Lebanon for Tunisia. Where he spent with 1982 on 1993 year, trying to fight with Israel. And perhaps the PLO could accumulate strength to fight further, but 1991 happened a year.

It is difficult to say what motives Arafat was guided by, getting into the Gulf War with the PLO on the side of Saddam Hussein. The fact is that Iraq lost, Hussein was executed, and the Palestinians were driven from all the Gulf countries that participated in the war on the side of the coalition. Even Gaddafi, who supports Hussein, decided to expel unpredictable and uncontrollable Palestinian soldiers.

Part of the newly formed crowd of "Palestinian" refugees from the Gulf countries took Libya old-fashioned, with the rest it was necessary to do something.

And Arafat made a historic decision: he began to put up with Israel! And in 1993, the PLO’s return to the Gaza Strip and the West Bank began. But in Gaza, Hamas was already sitting well, which was not very pleased with such movements. And the war began between Hamas and Fatah. As a result, Hamas gained further control over Gaza, and Fatah firmly settled on the ZBRI.

As a result, when Arafat left this world, the situation remained the same: there seems to be Palestine, as a state entity, seemingly there is a Palestinian Authority, but Gaza and Bereg are clearly not friends with each other. Still, we should not forget that Gaza is historically almost Egypt, and ZBRI is Jordan. And to say that an Arab to a Arab is a friend and brother from the Kuriles and to the Carpathians, of course, too optimistic.

So what is the myth - Palestine or Palestinian refugees?

Palestine refugees, it turns out, is not a myth. Indeed, most of all they resemble a hefty gang, wandering throughout the Middle East. And the farther, the less they are less welcome anywhere. It is clear that they will be fed up while they are making movements in the direction of Israel. It's a question of time.

And Palestine is a myth. Which is needed only in order to have a reason to feed these ... refugees. Because the creation of a full-fledged Palestine from two pieces that are at a distance of 300 km from each other is just as unrealistic as uniting Jerusalem and Birobidzhan, for example. Moreover, the pieces are under the control of different (and opposing) groups.

Yes, and living in these pieces all happy. Energy comes from Israel, and absolutely free, other types of livelihoods are coming. Yes, on the one hand, the Israelis could have been pitied, laughing through tears. For so to lose, as if winning the war, we must manage. But nothing can be done. Israel and Palestine are not so good and expensive, plus restless, and for the Palestinians - quite a bit. You can live.

Yes, from time to time by Israel there are attempts to somehow create this Palestine, just to save themselves from unnecessary expenses and hemorrhoids with the militants. If anyone is interested, he can get acquainted with the plan of Lieberman. Pretty sensible initiative. But it was not the Jews who failed her, the Arabs failed her, who absolutely did not want to go to Palestine. Moreover, when open discussions went, the Arabs rushed in droves to buy housing in the part of Israel that would remain Jewish. Probably for good reason.

The nightmare of a Palestinian terrorist fighter for Palestine: the real creation of Palestine. Say no? Look at Ukraine. Look at the fighters of the terbats, for whom Minsk has become a poison. How they violently resist him, as with the stubbornness of cockroaches climb back into the trenches. Nothing in common? But in my opinion, everything is very similar. Not in the face to climb the wrestler something ...

The situation is similar. Yes, sometimes, when you have to change the priorities that have been developed over the years, different feelings arise. So looking at the Palestinian fighters from a different angle, I did not see the fighters. And he saw a crowd of terrorists (even if the PLO even lost the status of a terrorist organization of an international character) who were already tired of everything in the region. Even those who pay them. Because their goal - the destruction of Israel, as declared, they have not achieved.

The bottom line is: Palestine is a myth that is unlikely to ever be realized. If only by the will of the UN ... yes, it is ridiculous to refer to it. Palestinian refugees are as much a myth as Palestine. They have nowhere to run, and, most interestingly, from nowhere.

And last, for skeptics. To all this, there can be many complaints. But one thing I could not understand: why are the Palestinians still refugees? In the third and fourth generations? Why can not take the citizenship of the country in which they live? Or give it to your children? Just to make their lives easier? In case of victory, you can change it, if that.

Why are there two committees with the UN: a committee on refugees in general, and a separate committee on Palestinian refugees in particular?

Apparently, in order to understand the Palestinian Eastern subtleties, the Russian head is not enough.
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  1. apro
    apro 11 November 2015 07: 21 New
    +4
    As I understand it, Israel is not here, the Palestinians themselves are to blame for having been born in their native land.
    1. Taagad
      Taagad 11 November 2015 07: 49 New
      +7
      The Palestinians are an artificially created "people". When the West Bank and the gas sector were under the control of Jordan and Egypt, none of the Palestinians considered themselves a "people" and did not demand their own state. The whole myth about the Palestinian people arose after Israel's victory in the 1967 war and the passing of the West Bank and Gaza Strip under Israeli control
      1. apro
        apro 11 November 2015 07: 53 New
        +3
        Are they growing up in a test tube or lowered from Mars? As I understand it, genetically, there is no difference between your peoples only religion.
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 November 2015 08: 10 New
          +9
          Quote: apro
          Are they growing up in a test tube or lowered from Mars? As I understand it, genetically, there is no difference between your peoples only religion.

          Genetically? genetically, few are different.
          Nonetheless . if a drunk and a thief live next to you. say a zapadentets - does that make him your brother?
          1. apro
            apro 11 November 2015 08: 15 New
            +1
            You belonged to the same simite group, and that the Palestinians are all drunks and thieves? All Russian thieves' jargon has Jewish roots why so? And the owners of breweries in the former Ukraine and Poland are Jews.
            1. atalef
              atalef 11 November 2015 08: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: apro
              You belonged to the same simite group,

              and now what?
              By the way, ask this question to the palaces that they will answer you.
              Quote: apro
              all Russian thieves' jargon has Jewish roots why so?

              Probably because. that among the Jews there were thieves.
              a question. why did the Russians adopt it?
              Quote: apro
              and beer owners in the past Ukraine and Poland are Jews.

              AND . Jews have drunk Russia.
              smoke, drink wine and beer - you are an accomplice of Tel Aviv.
              but on the one. there is . what to say ?
              1. apro
                apro 11 November 2015 08: 54 New
                +1
                Alexander do not go away from the answer so that the Palestinians are all thieves and drunkards?
                Quote: atalef
                a question. why did the Russians adopt it?

                Probably superior in organization and influence to Russians and probably were more professional.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 11 November 2015 09: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: apro
                  Alexander do not go away from the answer so that the Palestinians are all thieves and drunkards?
                  Quote: atalef
                  a question. why did the Russians adopt it?

                  Probably superior in organization and influence to Russians.

                  I don’t understand? And what did I say that they are thieves and drunkards? I said that some genetic similarity does not make us brothers, I think their opinion is not different from mine, therefore, pliz make your state and already detach from us
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 11 November 2015 12: 38 New
                0
                Probably because. that among the Jews there were thieves.
                a question. why did the Russians adopt it?


                Once adopted, then there was a majority.

                but on the one. there is . what to say ?


                Well, on the topic ... the game was equal ... And most importantly, there was no solution that could suit everyone stupidly. Only complete cutting of one of the sides.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 11 November 2015 15: 28 New
                  0
                  Apparently, such a large number of thieves from the Hebrew language in the jargon of convicts speaks of the huge number of Jews sitting for various criminal crimes.
                  Here is an example of the USA:
                  JEWISH MAFIA IN USA
                  Guys like Bugsy, Kid, Boo Boo, Longy, Dutch Schulz will forever remain in the United States crime book. All of them were united by the fact that they were Jews. It was they who turned crime into business. It was these guys who laid the foundation for all organized crime, which flourished in America with a magnificent color.
                  http://repin.info/kriminalnoe-chtivo/evreyskaya-mafiya-v-ssha
                  1. miru mir
                    miru mir 11 November 2015 21: 25 New
                    +3
                    http://www.newspress.co.il/?p=9789
                    Law abiding people laughing
          2. IS-80
            IS-80 11 November 2015 08: 51 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            if a drunk and a thief live next to you. say zapadentets

            Hmmm, why are you so good about people? Are you anti-greasy?
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 11 November 2015 15: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: IS-80
              Hmmm, why are you so good about people? Are you anti-greasy?

              Does it surprise you? After what Bandera did with the Jews in the last war, we now have to kiss their gums?
        2. Kaiten
          Kaiten 11 November 2015 15: 43 New
          +2
          Quote: apro
          Are they growing up in a test tube or lowered from Mars? As I understand it, genetically, there is no difference between your peoples only religion.

          So, there is no genetic difference between Russians and, say, Germans, both peoples belong to the same biological species and mix perfectly with each other, the difference is only in the worldview, but this similarity did not prevent the last war with millions of victims.
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 11 November 2015 08: 23 New
        -1
        Quote: Taagad
        The Palestinians are an artificially created "people".

        And Israel is an artificially created "country".
        The Roman emperor Hadrian crushed in 135 AD e. Jewish revolt against Rome led by Bar Kochba. He changed the name of Jerusalem to “Elia Capitolina” and ordered the entire territory between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River to call Syria Palestine - “Syria Palaestina” (Latin version of the Greek name). The renaming was carried out in order to erase the memory of the kingdom of Judah [5] [10]. From the IV century to the Arab conquest of the land of Syria, Palestine, together with part of Sinai and part of the lands of the Nabatean kingdom, entered the Byzantine Empire as three provinces: Palestine Prima, Palestine Secunda, Palestine Terzia. Since 638, the Arab conquerors called the country “Falastin” as the Arabic form of the name “Palestine”.
        1. Hello
          Hello 11 November 2015 08: 29 New
          10
          Quote: GRAY
          And Israel is an artificially created "country".

          All countries to one degree or another are artificially created. The nature of the state does not create, as you know, all this is the fruit of human labor. wink
          1. stopkran
            stopkran 11 November 2015 11: 21 New
            0
            The nature of the state does not create, as you know, all this is the fruit of human labors


            And only one people in the name of God has arrogantly appropriated the strange fruits of labor from time immemorial! )))


            “... your god (the Jewish people) will bring you to that land that He swore ... to give you with big and good cities that you did not build, and with houses filled with all good that you did not fill, and with wells carved from stone that you did not carve, with vineyards and olives that you did not plant, and you will eat and be saturated ”(Deuteronomy 6: 10-11).

            “And they condemned everything in the city, and husbands and wives, and young and old, and oxen and sheep, and donkeys, they all destroyed with the sword ... And they burned the city and everything that was in it” (Naveen 6:20,23, XNUMX).

            “... do not be afraid of the people of this land; for he will be eaten by us ”(Numbers 14: 9).
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 11 November 2015 15: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: stopkran
              And only one people in the name of God has arrogantly appropriated the strange fruits of labor from time immemorial! )))

              Only the country from where the Jews leave over time becomes much smaller. For example, Spain, Poland, Belarus, the Baltic countries, etc.
              Rural ones are also always sure that they eat urban bread and rob them. In relation to the Jews, you have the same worldview.
          2. andj61
            andj61 11 November 2015 21: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Hello
            Quote: GRAY
            And Israel is an artificially created "country".

            All countries to one degree or another are artificially created. The nature of the state does not create, as you know, all this is the fruit of human labor. wink

            Because the creation of a full Palestine from two pieces located at a distance of 300 km from each other is as unrealistic as the unification of Jerusalem and Birobidzhan, for example.

            It is interesting, but if you still combine the EAO and the state of Israel, as suggested ( bully ) author? wink
            Anyway, the state will be artificial, so maybe try? fellow
            1. atalef
              atalef 11 November 2015 21: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: andj61
              It is interesting, but if you still combine the EAO and the state of Israel?

              then the dream of many Jews will come true
              maybe where the Jew is best on the road. laughing
              1. andj61
                andj61 11 November 2015 21: 18 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: andj61
                It is interesting, but if you still combine the EAO and the state of Israel?

                then the dream of many Jews will come true
                maybe where the Jew is best on the road. laughing

                good Yes, the track will not turn out frail - through half the globe! Stuffed up to go! hi
                They would have united in 1947 — it wouldn’t have been necessary for Jews to learn Hebrew — they would have completely managed Yiddish! laughing drinks
                And now, except for grandmothers, probably no one knows request
                1. atalef
                  atalef 11 November 2015 21: 31 New
                  +2
                  Quote: andj61
                  Yes, the track will not turn out frail - through half the globe! Stuffed up to go!

                  fate
                  Quote: andj61
                  They would have united in 1947 — it wouldn’t have been necessary for Jews to learn Hebrew — they would have completely managed Yiddish!

                  The question is which one is easier to learn.
                  Quote: andj61
                  And now, except for grandmothers, probably no one knows

                  Secular people have only the older generation, orthodox people have everything.
                  Many children do not speak Hebrew before school.
                  I was 2 years ago in Jerusalem (when snow fell to the waist and all the wires were torn (to which the palaces that stole 2 km of wires and cut metal poles in 300 days were incredibly happy) - so my group turned on the lights in the houses, or rather I checked before returning electricity at home.
                  They worked in the neighborhoods where the Orthodox live - for 2 weeks, and grandmother Yiddish remembered German (who taught at school)
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 11 November 2015 21: 46 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    Secular people have only the older generation, orthodox people have everything.
                    Many children do not speak Hebrew before school.

                    Honestly, I didn’t even know. Even in my student days, most of our Jews did not really understand Yiddish - for which their grandmothers scolded. I accidentally witnessed a Jewish teacher scolding a student in Yiddish, but he did not understand him, but I understood, because I knew German quite well. After the teacher understood that the guy did not understand him, he switched to Russian and promised to visit his parents and complain! True, he did not learn Yiddish, he learned English, but much later in another country. laughing
                2. miru mir
                  miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 58 New
                  +1
                  The Orthodox at home only speak Yiddish. A couple of months ago, to my great surprise, a natural dos got a job for us - I heard his conversation on the phone in some "strange" language - it turned out - Yiddish laughing
                  1. Hello
                    Hello 11 November 2015 23: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: miru mir
                    The Orthodox at home only speak Yiddish. A couple of months ago, to my great surprise, a natural dos got a job for us - I heard his conversation on the phone in some "strange" language - it turned out - Yiddish laughing

                    There are those who basically do not speak Hebrew. Thank God there are few of them.
                    Greetings Egor hi
                    1. miru mir
                      miru mir 12 November 2015 12: 38 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Hello
                      Greetings Egor

                      Salaam Aleikum hi
        2. tilix
          tilix 11 November 2015 10: 03 New
          +6
          The Roman emperor Hadrian crushed in 135 AD e. Jewish rebellion against Rome
          Thank you for the historical stuffing, which proves that there was a Jewish state that the Romans destroyed and after 18 hundreds of years, the descendants of the expelled returned home. DNA tests prove that they are Jews, Jews, and Arabs, they are Arabs.
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 11 November 2015 10: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: tilix
            the descendants of the exiled returned home.

            At the time of the beginning, described in the article, of the resettlement of the "descendants of the expelled", the population of Palestine consisted of 450 thousand Arabs and 50 thousand Jews who were supposedly expelled.
            And at the same time they got along quite normally with each other.
            Graters began, only when you became more. They felt the power behind them and decided to move the Arabs - to create their own state at the expense of others.
            In normal countries, those who try to live at the expense of others are usually sent to prison.
            Whatever they say about the Palestinians, but initially, the truth is that anybody behind them.
            1. tilix
              tilix 11 November 2015 11: 02 New
              +1
              When how much was irrelevant. Chechens expelled? Kicked out. They are back? But what about. And where today are those who were settled in their place? You would have to take care of them, no, the Palestinians are worried.
              Graters began, only when you became more
              When it was necessary then they decided to create. Sorry you were not asked. And we won’t. What about the score? Not set yet.
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 11 November 2015 11: 19 New
                -4
                Quote: tilix
                What about the score? Not set yet.

                You are not in a restaurant.
                1. tilix
                  tilix 11 November 2015 17: 02 New
                  +6
                  create your own state at the expense of others
                  Your words? Have you started
                  You are not in a restaurant
                  What do you think you're in a booth?
                  Well, what kind of words do you rush but don’t pay for the bazaar? Also a pace-picker?
              2. prishelec
                prishelec 11 November 2015 14: 56 New
                -4
                Quote: tilix
                When how much was irrelevant. Chechens expelled? Kicked out. They are back? But what about. And where today are those who were settled in their place?

                You do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, the Palestinians are not newcomers ... no one settled the Palestinians in Palestine - like some ... in Chechnya at one time.
                1. Netwallker
                  Netwallker 11 November 2015 15: 25 New
                  +5
                  The United Nations has confirmed this by giving Palestinian refugees the definition that refugees are any non-Jews who left the country during the 1948 war and whose families have lived in the area for the past two years or more. Without such a definition, the number of so-called Palestinian refugees would almost equal zero.
                2. tilix
                  tilix 11 November 2015 16: 17 New
                  +6
                  no one settled the Palestinians in Palestine
                  3 times gee. Teach the story of who, how and why brought them to Israel. (Not all, but most). After all, "suddenly" in 5 years you will say "and no one told us." In the meantime, you not only show your ignorance, but also with such aplomb. You have to be more modest, and maybe people will be drawn to you.
                  1. prishelec
                    prishelec 11 November 2015 20: 39 New
                    -7
                    Quote: tilix
                    no one settled the Palestinians in Palestine
                    3 times gee. Teach the story of who, how and why brought them to Israel. (Not all, but most). After all, "suddenly" in 5 years you will say "and no one told us." In the meantime, you not only show your ignorance, but also with such aplomb. You have to be more modest, and maybe people will be drawn to you.

                    You are infected, and not only in Palestine, but throughout the world, I know the story well, and you and your fictional history are already tired of everything!
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 11 November 2015 20: 53 New
                      +5
                      Quote: prishelec
                      You are infected, and not only in Palestine, but throughout the world, I know the story well, and you and your fictional history are already tired of everything!

                      "Jupiter, you are angry, then you are wrong!"
                      But in this case, tilix is ​​right: 80 percent (or even more) of those who call themselves Palestinians are newcomers to these places - these are Egyptians, Yemenis, immigrants from KSA, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria. A freebie is a fascinating thing, in pursuit of it many Arabs at one time rushed to Gaza, the West Bank and refugee camps in many Arab countries. In many ways, you don’t even have to work - they live off humanitarian aid, and this is not the first generation.
                      In Palestine (without Jordan) in the late 40s, it was estimated that there were between 400 and 800 thousand Muslim Arabs. Now they are estimated to be up to 12 million with refugees. Even the Arabs simply cannot have such a natural increase in non-population
                      1. prishelec
                        prishelec 11 November 2015 21: 42 New
                        -3
                        Quote: andj61
                        Jupiter, you are angry, so you are wrong! "

                        No, I’m not angry, it’s just my habit to call a spade a spade, that’s all.

                        The fact is that the Palestinians have been taken and land taken. And - that among them bandits, etc. thus, they were turned into bandits, Jews, they were turned into refugees after being expelled from their own land.
                        When they say that black is white, and vice versa (what exactly are you Jews and your jo policies), it’s impossible to agree, alas.
                      2. tilix
                        tilix 11 November 2015 21: 50 New
                        +2
                        I know the story well

                        The fact is that you simply do not have a clue about the actual setting of things. But continue in the same vein, even wondering where you will come with this knowledge of history and jurisdiction.
                      3. andj61
                        andj61 11 November 2015 21: 52 New
                        +2
                        Quote: prishelec
                        When they say that black is white, and vice versa (what exactly are you Jews and your jo policies), it’s impossible to agree, alas.

                        In, damn it, did not even know that I was a Jew! So, he just hasn't confessed yet? what
                        The Lord’s sowing is the same everywhere,
                        And they lie to us about the difference of nations;
                        All people are Jews, and just not all
                        So far we have found the courage to confess.
                        bully
                        And about the Palestinians, the Israelis are writing the truth. In Israel, by the way, there are still empty houses that the so-called refugees in the years 1947-48. And nobody still inhabits these houses.
                      4. Hello
                        Hello 11 November 2015 22: 46 New
                        +1
                        Quote: andj61
                        In, damn it, did not even know that I was a Jew!

                        You too belay
            2. miru mir
              miru mir 11 November 2015 21: 42 New
              +1
              FILYSTINS, it is aliens. The emigration of Arabs to Palestine in the 18-20 centuries often exceeded the Jewish emigration.
        3. Fyva
          Fyva 11 November 2015 11: 14 New
          +2
          For such slogans Mahmoud Abbas receives money, and very skillfully "nags" them. Have you decided to move him? wassat He doesn’t want to do anything. Talking is easier.
      3. Boris Zidkov
        Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 10: 48 New
        -4
        "After 18 hundred years, the descendants of the exiled returned home" Nda, blessed are those who believe. And yesterday I turn on the TV and there is a "descendant" How can you not turn on the box all the "descendants" with a knapsack !!! Well, these "descendants" can't get to the historical homeland in any way.
        1. tilix
          tilix 11 November 2015 10: 59 New
          +3
          Boris Zhydkov, and to whom did you cut off the pace today?
          Well, these "descendants"
          Here and address them. I want to know what will be answered.
      4. andj61
        andj61 11 November 2015 21: 09 New
        0
        Quote: tilix
        DNA tests prove that they are Jews, Jews, and Arabs, they are Arabs.

        Well, are all genetically the same - from European Ashkenazi to Ethiopian Falash? what From Caucasian Mountain Jews to Karaites? From subbotniks to Sephardic? laughing
        There are too many Jews in the world - good and different - to be genetically identical! wink
        1. tilix
          tilix 11 November 2015 21: 59 New
          +1
          They are not identical, but for example, Levi and Cohen (Ashkenazim and Sephardic) are very close, almost identical. Ordinary other Jews are very close. Karaites? and what have they got to do with it? They are not Jews. Ethiopian Falashas are close to Yemeni Jews, and they are more different from "Jewish DNA". Well, subbotniks. They joined, so you will find it.
          Are the Russians identical?
          1. andj61
            andj61 11 November 2015 22: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: tilix
            They are not identical, but for example, Levi and Cohen (Ashkenazim and Sephardic) are very close, almost identical. Ordinary other Jews are very close. Karaites? and what have they got to do with it? They are not Jews. Ethiopian Falashas are close to Yemeni Jews, and they are more different from "Jewish DNA". Well, subbotniks. They joined, so you will find it.
            Are the Russians identical?

            Russians do not call themselves identical: we are strong in our diversity. You spoke about DNA checks.
            Are Karaites not Jews? The Torah is a holy book for them.
            The word “Karaite” came into use in the XNUMXth century and, along with the word “rabbi,” was originally used to denote religious groups inside judaism. The etymology of the word “Karaite” comes from the Hebrew verb kara (Hebrew קרא) (read), associated with the Hebrew name for the Holy Scripture “Micra” (Hebrew מקרא). The noun karai (literally "reader") formed from it in the plural has the form karaite ("readers"). Karaimism is based on the fact that each believer independently rationally determines the application of the Mosaic Law. Karaites consider themselves adherents of the true teachings of the Bible, while the Talmud and the Oral Law, in their opinion, distorted biblical Judaism.
            Jewish rabbis recognize karaisma as a Jewish sect, and followers of karaisma recognize the purest form of Judaism. In the Middle Ages, Muslim and Christian peoples also saw in the Karaites of the Jews, which was reflected in their history closely intertwined with the history of Judaism in general
            1. tilix
              tilix 11 November 2015 22: 22 New
              +2
              Karaites (Karaite Crimean dialect: singular karay, plural karaylar; Trakai dialect: singular karai, plural karaylar; from other Hebrew קָרָאִים - “karaite”, lit. reading) - a small ethnic group originating from Turkic-speaking followers of karaisma in Eastern Europe

              Not the Jews. Not for us, and certainly not for them.
              The question is much more complicated, but who is the Jew then?
        2. prishelec
          prishelec 11 November 2015 22: 03 New
          0
          Quote: andj61
          From Caucasian Mountain Jews to Karaites?

          By the way, there are no "mountain" Jews, they do not exist in nature, just as there are no forest, steppe, sea, etc. Jews.
          As for the Karaites, the Jews are trying to impose Jewry on them, although they themselves persistently insist that they are not Jews and have nothing to do with them, but the Jews really want Karaites to be Jews, all the fuss because of the language of Karaites !. . wink
          1. tilix
            tilix 11 November 2015 22: 14 New
            +3
            Jews are trying to impose Jewry on them
            To whom? Karaimam? Well, you won’t get rid of pills here, you need to order injections.
            Karaites went to Giller to prove that they were not Jews. We do not argue, certainly not Jews.
            1. andj61
              andj61 11 November 2015 22: 27 New
              +1
              Quote: tilix
              Jews are trying to impose Jewry on them
              To whom? Karaimam? Well, you won’t get rid of pills here, you need to order injections.
              Karaites went to Ginler to prove that they were not Jews. We do not argue, of course not Jews.

              About 20 years ago this bike was told to me on an excursion to Chufut-Kale near Bakhchisarai.
              Allegedly, Hitler was proved that the Karaites are not Jews, and then to the Israeli rabbis - that they are Jews. Well, about whether they are Jewish or not, I can’t say, but the fact that the Jews are for sure!
              In Chufut-Kale there is an old religious building (but, in my opinion, not a synagogue, they have a different name - a hundred or so type of kenas), so there is the Torah, which is 400 years old.
              1. tilix
                tilix 11 November 2015 22: 33 New
                +2
                There are a number of Karaites in Israel. They cannot prove to any rabbi (orthodox). The bike is there. Bravado without reason, nothing more. If you are interested, I can add material, but believe me, for Jews they are not Jews, although they like to call themselves that.
                All this is about the "Russian Karaites". For example the Karaites of Egypt, another song.
          2. andj61
            andj61 11 November 2015 22: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: prishelec
            By the way, "mountain" Jews do not exist, do not exist in nature,

            You are not right! yes
            Mountain Jews (self-designation - jugiur [juhur], plural jugjurgho, more traditionally also giivr) is a sub-ethnic group of Jews of the North and East Caucasus. Partially descendants of Iranian Jews. Until the middle of the XIX century, they lived mainly in the south of Dagestan and the north of Azerbaijan, subsequently they began to settle first in cities in the north of Dagestan, then in other regions of Russia, and later in Israel.
            1. prishelec
              prishelec 13 November 2015 00: 17 New
              0
              Quote: andj61
              Quote: prishelec
              By the way, "mountain" Jews do not exist, do not exist in nature,

              You are not right! yes
              Mountain Jews (self-designation - jugiur [juhur], plural jugjurgho, more traditionally also giivr) is a sub-ethnic group of Jews of the North and East Caucasus. Partially descendants of Iranian Jews. Until the middle of the XIX century, they lived mainly in the south of Dagestan and the north of Azerbaijan, subsequently they began to settle first in cities in the north of Dagestan, then in other regions of Russia, and later in Israel.

              Yes, I heard that you are also trying to take root there!))
  2. avt
    avt 11 November 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Taagad
    The Palestinians are an artificially created "people". When the West Bank and the gas sector were under the control of Jordan and Egypt, none of the Palestinians considered themselves a "people" and did not demand their state

    What about the Israelis? wassat Or are Jews?
    Quote: Hello
    All countries to one degree or another are artificially created. The nature of the state does not create, as you know, all this is the fruit of human labor.

    Well, yes, yes, the current is provided that in addition to the goal of creating this state, they know the answer to the main question - why not create it. And how will they actually live in this newly-fledged World? That’s how one can speak for world Zionism, but I definitely don’t understand WHAT THE Palestinians WILL DO, if, like this, all of a sudden, to remove Israel altogether, and with it all the material help transferred to them now as an exiled people? In general terms, it seems that there will be a large casino in the eastern part and will be trading something, and the Gaza Strip will begin to build another caliphate.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 09: 33 New
      +7
      Quote: avt
      but I absolutely do not understand WHAT THE Palestinians WILL DO, if suddenly, like this, to remove Israel altogether, and with it and ALL material assistance transferred to them now as an exiled people? Somehow, in general terms, it seems that there will be a large casino in the eastern part and something They will trade, and the Gaza Strip will begin to build another caliphate.

      I think they will continue to fight, at first they will then find some other enemies or Jews among themselves that they would create to fight them.
    2. Ahmed
      Ahmed 11 November 2015 22: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: avt
      but I absolutely do not understand WHAT THE Palestinians WILL DO, if, like this, all of a sudden, to remove Israel altogether ...


      And here about it ... wassat

  3. would
    would 12 November 2015 09: 48 New
    -1
    The Palestinians are an artificially created "people". When the West Bank and the gas sector were under the control of Jordan and Egypt, none of the Palestinians considered themselves a "people" and did not demand their own state.


    The same thing can be said about almost any kind of people, including the Israelis. You know, Jews also did not immediately begin to massively support Zionism and the creation of a Jewish state in the territories where it now stands. However, historical events and the activities of certain individuals have led to what we now see. It turns out the Jews are an artificially created people and Israel is an artificially created state? Funny logic, more than sure that in relation to Israel you will have 1000 and one excuse not to use it.
  • atalef
    atalef 11 November 2015 08: 24 New
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    Quote: apro
    As I understand it, Israel is not here, the Palestinians themselves are to blame for having been born in their native land.

    they are not to blame, but for some reason there is no desire to create their own state either among them or among their Arabs.
    The problem of palaces is bloated and is intended solely for one thing - to fight the Jews.
    and they are remarkably used to their role. why not?
    Bezraotitsa in Gaza and ZBRI - it seems like 40% !!!
    And life expectancy is more than in Russia
    Why work? The UNRWA budget (the UN to help Palestine refugees is the only UN structure created exclusively for them - I don’t want to call them elected) - but nonetheless
    UNRWA's budget for 2014 is $ 2.1 billion.

    In 2014, among the 17 leading donor countries that 98% voluntarily funded the agency, there were: USA ($ 268 million - 22%), EU ($ 238 million - 19,4%), United Kingdom (3.3%), Norway (3.25%) and Sweden (2.9%). Among them, from Muslim countries: Kuwait (2.9%), Saudi Arabia (2.2%) [3]. The remaining 2 percent (mainly salaries) are funded by the UN budget

    it is strange that among the brothers of Arabs and Iran (together) they finance (Palestes0 through the UN - only Saudis and Kuwait. and in volumes simply ridiculous - but they yell about miserable palaces in the forefront.
    As they say - friendship is friendship. and tobacco - apart
    No. of millions of pallets per year (only through the United Nations) they receive 800 bucks per capita 9 all the more) who counted these souls at all and the population census (under UN control) - they are in every way boycotting it - it’s understandable - the funding is cushioned and the local Chichikovs are working in full.
    Why work, why create your own structures - the court. taxes, infrastructure - why? why, if the grandmother and so roll in. and if that. no one to ask, they are unfortunate.
    Type in a search engine - corruption in the Pal. Autonomy --- Somalia is resting.
    All this tale is saturated with hypocrisy from beginning to end.
    1. apro
      apro 11 November 2015 08: 35 New
      0
      Alexander can voice the amount of financial injections from Germany and the SGA for clarity.
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 November 2015 08: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: apro
        Alexander can voice the amount of financial injections from Germany and the SGA so for clarity

        to whom? Us?
        and what does it matter?
        We have our own state. with all the attributes.
        developed economy, etc.
        Further - Israel from the States does not receive a single penny with real money - exclusively in kind in the form of weapons. moreover, exclusively American-made (Egypt receives the same amount of armaments - according to the Camp David Agreement - a penny a penny)
        From Germany, especially not a penny of living money. but exclusively in the co-financing of weapons (purchased in Germany)
        All this money does not make up 2% of Israel’s GDP.
        1. apro
          apro 11 November 2015 08: 50 New
          0
          And what are you so swept over, and an addition on what basis they finance you.
          1. Hello
            Hello 11 November 2015 08: 59 New
            +3
            Germans? On the grounds that they consider themselves guilty of the grief of the Jewish people, Israel did not demand money from them and does not require it if you talk about it. In the 50 years when this assistance was offered in Israeli society, a literal war broke out on this issue. Ultimately, Ben Gurion I decided to help. If you mean the United States, then everything is simple, the United States, as it seems to me, ties Israel to itself so that, God forbid, it is not too friendly with China. hi
            1. apro
              apro 11 November 2015 09: 07 New
              0
              Ilya thanked you, Jews refuse money and decided to take a freebie or not, it’s also funny with China.
              1. Hello
                Hello 11 November 2015 09: 23 New
                +5
                Quote: apro
                Ilya thanked you, Jews refuse money and decided to take a freebie or not, it’s also funny with China.

                I understand that it’s hard to get rid of the stamps driven into the brain, many Americans also believe that you are sleeping there with bear hugs and a bottle of vodka, this did not become true.
                What exactly is funny to you with China? Do you know that military assistance from the United States originates from the Camp David Accords? These agreements, in my opinion, have become obsolete because Egypt is no longer hostile to Israel and why is help coming?
                1. apro
                  apro 11 November 2015 09: 37 New
                  -2
                  I know that the military and financial assistance of the SGA to Israel has been provided to Israel since its formation, first to limit the influence of the brazen then the USSR, specifically with the PRC on what grounds is the rapprochement between Israel and the PRC possible?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 11 November 2015 11: 10 New
                    +3
                    Quote: apro
                    I know that military and financial assistance to the SGA has been provided to Israel since its inception

                    not true, it began after the war of 1967

                    Quote: apro
                    , specifically with the PRC on what grounds is the rapprochement between Israel and the PRC possible?

                    With China, and China Rodin of the main investors in the Israeli economy.
                    And get close? Why is this for China? It is smart enough not to climb into the Middle East swamp.
                    1. apro
                      apro 11 November 2015 12: 43 New
                      0
                      Oh, you’ve already taken off five years, so you look and we’ll come to a common denominator, Jewish organizations provided financial assistance and state authorities didn’t prevent the acquisition of weapons. What is it, how smart is China and what interested him in the sands of the promised land? ?
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                    3. atalef
                      atalef 11 November 2015 15: 51 New
                      +2
                      Quote: apro
                      financial assistance was provided by Jewish organizations of the SGA and the official authorities did not prevent the acquisition of weapons

                      Well, it’s kind of like a military service in the Donbass, did I understand your point correctly?
                      Quote: apro
                      Vovo is clever and what interested him in the sands of the promised land?

                      Probably with brains, maybe he doesn’t invest in Arabeses
                      Quote: apro
                      where do they invest money?

                      . In 2014, the People's Republic of China invested more in the Israeli economy than any other state: $ 4 billion!

                      Until recently, the Israeli list of foreign investors included mostly European and American names. But over the past two years, Asian companies have actively entered our market, or rather, Asian companies. The main player among them was China. Looking at the list of Israeli enterprises, partially or fully acquired by him, one can only marvel at the appetite and versatile interests of the Chinese. High-tech, medicine (again taking into account high-tech technologies), transport, construction, agriculture, food, tourism - it seems difficult to name an industry in which our Chinese partners would not participate to one degree or another
                  2. Ahmed
                    Ahmed 11 November 2015 22: 18 New
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    Quote: apro
                    I know that military and financial assistance to the SGA has been provided to Israel since its inception

                    not true, it began after the war of 1967 ...


                    Too optimistic. hi

                    The help in its present form began in 1979, before that - purely market relations, there was no freebie.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 11 November 2015 11: 10 New
                  +5
                  Quote: apro
                  I know that military and financial assistance to the SGA has been provided to Israel since its inception

                  not true, it began after the war of 1967

                  Quote: apro
                  , specifically with the PRC on what grounds is the rapprochement between Israel and the PRC possible?

                  With China, and China Rodin of the main investors in the Israeli economy.
                  And get close? Why is this for China? It is smart enough not to climb into the Middle East swamp.
                3. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 11 November 2015 12: 26 New
                  +1
                  Well, actually, China has had very friendly relations with Israel since the late 70s.
                  1. apro
                    apro 11 November 2015 12: 34 New
                    0
                    Actually, the PRC has commercial relations with everyone, and Israel has modernized the PRC’s armaments by agreement with the amers, but this is nothing personal.
            2. Ahmed
              Ahmed 11 November 2015 22: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: apro
              ... also funny with China
        2. atalef
          atalef 11 November 2015 13: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: apro
          And what are you so swept over, and an addition on what basis they finance you.

          Exactly on the same one on which you finance - Syria, Abkhazia, Belarus, etc. --- allies.
          1. apro
            apro 11 November 2015 14: 49 New
            0
            Alexander Belarus and Abkhazia for us temporarily bent territories are ourselves, Syria is all on a contractual basis and for money, with cameras and Europeans you have a somewhat different volume of help, or payment for mercenaries for performing certain functions.
            1. miru mir
              miru mir 11 November 2015 21: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: apro
              Syria is all on a contractual basis and for money

              That's unlikely.
            2. atalef
              atalef 11 November 2015 21: 56 New
              0
              Quote: apro
              Alexander Belarus and Abkhazia for us temporarily bent territories

              Old Man agrees with this (they don’t say anything about Ukraine, as I understand it)
              Quote: apro
              , Syria everything is on a contractual basis and for money

              We have the same on a contractual basis. and Syria - for the money - you tell your uncle.
              Quote: apro
              you have a somewhat different volume of help, or it’s a payment for mercenaries for performing certain functions.

              Europe? Europe drives the wicked dwarf 1000000 times more than us. Do you know why ? because we don’t get a spear from the EU.
              Yes, and we do not need their money.
              By the way, mercenaryism - what are you talking about?
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 11 November 2015 15: 36 New
    +8
    Quote: apro
    As I understand it, Israel is not here, the Palestinians themselves are to blame for having been born in their native land.

    The Palestinians are to blame for not being able to find a capable leader who will not care about their own bank account, but about their own Palestinian people. Ordinary Israelis and ordinary Palestinians are ordinary people who are not very different in everyday life. Everyone wants a good salary, a healthy family and a peaceful sky. The problem is that the elite of Palestinian society is a typical eastern union of sheikhs and millionaires. And if the EU allows them to steal money, then they will steal it instead of implementing peace projects that can actually reduce Palestinian unemployment. Or if Qatar will pay for Hamas rocket attacks, then Hamas will carry them out, despite the fact that its citizens suffer from return fire.
    1. zenion
      zenion 11 November 2015 19: 05 New
      0
      You can answer who created Hitler to kill 6 million Jews. Who armed him. Who financed it at a time when superinflation was in Germany. Who received the profit from the war and why the disclosure of documents on banks and their actions during the Second World War is prohibited. As the chief archivist of the States put it, it was necessary to prohibit the disclosure of archives for another 50 years (since 2000) so that there would be no Jewish pogroms. And the Palestinians did not need to create a government on the land that belonged to them. The Palestinians even had their own bank, which issued the so-called Palestinian pound. And he was in use not only in Palestine. In what way, despite the fact that Germany pressed Jews, there were Zionist organizations in Nazi Germany who did not care about the fact that they cook the soap of the Jews of the eastern European countries and put them into smoke? How can you explain this? As the Zionists of Palestine said, we are not Jews, we are Israelis, and Israel was not there then. In addition, the present Jews have never been the tribe that crossed the Hebrew River. Jews created according to a religious concept - there is an office party. And the word Jew came up with Stalin for certification. Nowhere in any country, except Russia, the word Jew is used. And the Jews, as they wrote in Tsarist Russia in Israel, are called Yehudons, or rather Yehudon would be like a dinosaur.
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 11 November 2015 21: 58 New
        +3
        Palestinian pound - the monetary unit of the British Mandated Territory of Palestine. In your outpourings, not a word of truth. You are a liar.
        1. tilix
          tilix 11 November 2015 22: 15 New
          +4
          Truly a liar. The lowest damage, moreover.
        2. andj61
          andj61 11 November 2015 22: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: miru mir
          Alestine pound - the monetary unit of the British Mandated Territory of Palestine.

          And then the Palestinians called the Jews living in Palestine. Arabs were called Arabs.
          The flag of Palestine is the tilixa avatar.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 11 November 2015 21: 20 New
    +3
    They are guilty of not wanting to live in peace.
  • Taagad
    Taagad 11 November 2015 07: 29 New
    14
    The novel described everything exactly. Palestinians have no national idea of ​​creating their own state. The national idea of ​​the Palestinians is the destruction of Israel.
    As Golda Meir once said, "Peace will come when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate ours."
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 11 November 2015 13: 23 New
      -1
      Quote: Taagad
      As Golda Meir once said, "Peace will come when the Palestinians love their children more than they hate ours."

      Is this so Jewish - "maybe it will pass by itself"? smile
  • Moouze
    Moouze 11 November 2015 07: 38 New
    10
    Finally...
    Even surprisingly little for VO. At least someone objectively described what these "fighters" represent.
  • Hello
    Hello 11 November 2015 08: 15 New
    +7
    Roman thanks for the article, plus I heartily. After all the previous "specialists" I did not even expect it, very competently in my opinion.
    I will answer the question in the article
    Why are there two committees with the UN: a committee on refugees in general, and a separate committee on Palestinian refugees in particular?

    Because the Palestinians have ceased to be just refugees, but have become "professional refugees", the method of squeezing tears from compassionate people has been worked out. Well, of course money, if you count how much money the UN, LAS, the United States and Europe transferred money to Palestine, I think there could be 2 more Create Israel without a progressive tax. wink
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 08: 40 New
    0
    Not a day without Jews !!!
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 11 November 2015 12: 49 New
      +4
      In Iceland? crying
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 November 2015 22: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: Pushkar
        Not a day without Jews !!!

        Quote: Pushkar
        In Iceland?

        wife of the president of Iceland
        Despite the almost complete absence of Jews in the country, the first lady, the wife of the President of Iceland, Olafur Grimson, is Jewish! Dorit Musaev was born in Jerusalem in the tradition of a Bukhara Jewish family, which has long been engaged in jewelry. Family tradition has it that Genghis Khan's shirt was bound by her, Dorit, ancestors. For four generations, the Musaev family lived in Shkhunat a-Bukharim in Jerusalem, one of the founders of which was Rabbi Shlomo Musaev, great-great-grandfather of Dorit. Since childhood, the girl was interested in jewelry, and later, when the family moved to London, she worked as a jewelry designer in the company of her father. In 2003, Dorit married Olafur Ragnar Grimson, President of Iceland.

        that's bad luck. laughing
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 November 2015 09: 00 New
    +2
    I read comments and sincerely rejoice for the guys who are the most correct in this world. So much enthusiasm and praises about the article. And do not waste their time and energy for admonishing other visitors to the site. A direct gift for the Jewish soul.
    Now the right field will turn red.
    1. 1rl141
      1rl141 11 November 2015 12: 01 New
      -3
      Yeah ... The cuckoo cackled ... It was as if they brought a fresh millet.
  • ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 11 November 2015 09: 11 New
    0
    Palestine is a myth.


    ??

    But what about: on November 29 of 2012 of the year following the results of the vote (138 votes in favor, 9 against, 41 country abstained) The UN General Assembly “granted Palestine the status of an observer state to the United Nations, which is not a member, without damage to acquired rights, privileges and the role of the Palestine Liberation Organization in the United Nations as a representative of the Palestinian people in accordance with relevant resolutions and practices. ”

    By November 29 2012, the State of Palestine recognized 132 states from 193 member of the UN General Assembly - 68%.

    And the author to say is a myth! Have a bite!

    Or does the author consider himself more knowledgeable in politics from the leaderships of the 132 countries of the world combined? Such a cool and competent person I meet live for the first time in my life. A friend of the orderly told me that in the asylum in general the whole Napoleon was sitting on the bed, under strict medical supervision.
    1. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 11 November 2015 09: 46 New
      +4
      And do not you tell us all the attributes of statehood?
    2. Fyva
      Fyva 11 November 2015 10: 08 New
      +7
      Well, it’s not profitable to create a state. It’s not profitable. It’s much calmer to cut the loot, and whine to the whole world about a pipe dream. And there was hope ...
    3. Taagad
      Taagad 11 November 2015 10: 30 New
      +5
      In exactly the same overwhelming majority of votes, the UN General Assembly condemned Russia for the annexation of Crimea and called for the return of Crimea to Ukraine. Will you also call on Russia to implement the decision of the UN General Assembly?
      1. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 11 November 2015 10: 36 New
        +3
        in vain you raised this topic, they can stumble! people here sometimes come across nervous!
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 11 November 2015 12: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Taagad
        The UN General Assembly condemned Russia for the annexation of Crimea and called for the return of Crimea to Ukraine.


        You, dear, are you writing about Resolution 68/262 of the General Assembly of March 27, 2014?
        So there is not a single word about Russia. what
        Quote: Taagad
        Will you also call on Russia to implement the decision of the UN General Assembly?

        Why is this frightened? We have already given our answer: - Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, referred to another UN principle - the right of every people to self-determination. "The project is trying to question the significance of the referendum held in Crimea, which has already played its historical role. To challenge this is counterproductive," the Russian diplomat said.

        Quote: Taagad
        in vain you raised this topic, they can stumble! people here sometimes come across nervous!

        For unfounded conclusions, you can "stammer", calmly and without nerves. winked
      3. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 11 November 2015 14: 47 New
        0
        Kram does not need to be compared with Palestine, there is a difference between the deployment of military units and the referendum ... there are so many Russian people living in Crimea, and you just occupied Palestine ....
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 11 November 2015 16: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: sasha 19871987
          and you just occupied Palestine ..

          I can console you. From the Arab point of view, Russia also occupied the territory of the former Muslim state (the Golden Horde), and it continues to occupy the Muslim Caucasus (Chechnya and Dagestan). So, do not flatter yourself, you are the same invaders infidels for them as we are. On the Internet, many maps of the future caliphate and Russian territory there occupies a prominent place
    4. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 11: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: ivanovbg
      On November 29, 2012, the State of Palestine was recognized by 132 states out of 193 members of the UN General Assembly - 68%. And the author speaks - a myth! Have a bite!

      The author did not mean Palestine (which should have been proclaimed as a result of the division of the mandated territory), but historical Palestine as a state of Palestinians.
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    6. alicante11
      alicante11 11 November 2015 13: 04 New
      0
      UN General Assembly “granted Palestine observer status to the United Nations


      The UN General Assembly is a fox where small sub-states like Haiti or Lithuania dance to the tune of Amer and outweigh the voices of real states like China or Russia. And since these sixes voted for the Palestinians, then their existence is beneficial to the Amers. And, therefore, it is beneficial to Israel. So that the ordinary elect do not relax, that the arms manufacturers are profitable.
  • Archon
    Archon 11 November 2015 09: 24 New
    +2
    In general, we can say that the UN is not doing its job at all.
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 11: 07 New
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    tilix.And you are not a masochist? And then you have strange questions. And where did I write that I cut off someone's paisas?
    1. tilix
      tilix 11 November 2015 11: 13 New
      +7
      tilikh. And you are not a masochist?
      Are you threatening me?
      You will meet "him" you will wind the peysiki gently on your left hand

      Not your words, you are our hero?
    2. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 11: 14 New
      +4
      Split personality?
      Boris Zidkov EU 8 November 2015 11:00 | Israel Supports Al-Qaeda (Publico.es, Spain)
      Nda, so we, too, in due time contributed to the relocation of many "these same". While studying in Irkutsk, with friends, we were engaged in wrestling. And we loved to walk near the Irkutsk synagogue. When you meet "him" you will gently wind the peysics on your left hand, and shake your right finger And they suddenly smell of liquid fertilizer. Yes, they say in Novosibirsk in the vicinity of Akademgorodok in 70-80 there was nowhere to spit.
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 11: 21 New
    -5
    And where about picking up the paisics? With your right hand you will threaten with a finger, you will threaten. Well, if you have large pace and they interfere with both of you, you are welcome. I called you to the taiga for hunting.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 11: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Boris Zidkov
      And where about picking up the paisics? With your right hand you will threaten with a finger, you will threaten. Well, if you have large pace and they interfere with both of you, you are welcome. I called you to the taiga for hunting.

      Do you like boxing by correspondence? lol
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 11: 33 New
    -3
    I'm not the only one. Among your compatriots, there are also enough comedians. And where did the tongue-tied .rero go. When I read his creations, it was fun for everyone.
  • prishelec
    prishelec 11 November 2015 11: 46 New
    0
    The author licked specifically - from the heels to the back of the head,)) this is at their genetic level, such a fate!
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 11 November 2015 13: 10 New
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      C'mon, not so often I agree with the Banshee, but here he’s one hundred percent right. Without justifying the Jews, we can say that the Palestinians are even worse.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 11: 50 New
    +2
    Good written about Lebanon, and very revealing.

    In general, the picture is well shown. People lived for themselves, lived. And not one century. Suddenly, everyone decided to redraw and now they are foreigners in their native land - without a home, without rights, without prospects. And the choice is either to live vegetatively in the impoverished disenfranchised state, or go into action movies.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 12: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      Suddenly, everyone decided to redraw and now they are foreigners in their native land - without a house, without rights, without prospects

      They obeyed the Arab brothers, now those (who had fled) would have lived quietly in Israel and looked down on their Egyptians. Lebanese or Jordanian brothers.
      Sami left. no one drove. they wanted to sit out until the Arab coalition of Jews was destroyed, and then return to all ready.
      Do not slip, only those who called them (sit out). Something they don’t really want to assimilate. yes what is there to assimilate. in Lebanon, Palestinians are forbidden to engage in 17 activities. in no country do they have equal rights with citizens, despite the fact that they have been living there for the 4th generation (more than 70 years)
      Quote: _KM_
      And the choice is to either vegetate in the grave of life in a impoverished disenfranchised state, or go into action

      thanks to the fellow Arabs.
      Someone wrote. that we are the same (those Semites are 0 - let them first become equal with each other. And then they will make claims against us.
      In no country (Arab) where Palestinians live, you will not see equal rights with citizens of that country and only in apartheid (according to them) Israel - Arabs have the same rights as Jews (though with much less responsibilities) including - Arab parties , members of parliament, professors, members of the Supreme Court, police generals, general directors of public services.
  • 1rl141
    1rl141 11 November 2015 12: 31 New
    -2
    Quote: apro
    You belonged to the same simite group, and that the Palestinians are all drunks and thieves? All Russian thieves' jargon has Jewish roots why so? And the owners of breweries in the former Ukraine and Poland are Jews.

    Do not be silly.
    In the 80s, my friend's father was the head of a maximum security zone. And they had a booklet of DSP "Collection of slang words and expressions used by a criminal element" at their home. Simply put, the dictionary gives a damn. We read it regularly. Now, by the way, such a dictionary can be bought in a shop. So there is no word "with Jewish roots" in this dictionary.
    But among gopniks such words have a place to be. There is a book "Dictionary of youth slang", there are similar words. But this is not thieves' jargon.
    The thieves' jargon was based on the language of ushkunikov, created by a criminal element of Russia in ancient times. They invented this language in order to calmly speak among themselves and not be understood by others.
    There was a documentary in which one granny scratched her ear in a tongue like a broom chalk. She seemed to speak Russian, but it was impossible to understand what exactly was.
    And Jewish words are popular among the gopniks. This language is not capable of more.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 12: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: 1rl141
      there was a booklet of the DSP "Collection of slang words and expressions used by a criminal element." Simply put, the dictionary gives a damn. We read it regularly. Now, by the way, such a dictionary can be bought in a shop. So there is no word "with Jewish roots" in this dictionary.

      There are
      Maza, Haza, fraer, etc.
      Honour
      http://belenky.livejournal.com/59455.html
      Of course there is nothing to be proud of, but you won’t erase words from the song.
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 12: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: 1rl141
      there was a booklet of the DSP "Collection of slang words and expressions used by a criminal element." Simply put, the dictionary gives a damn. We read it regularly. Now, by the way, such a dictionary can be bought in a shop. So there is no word "with Jewish roots" in this dictionary.

      There are
      Maza, Haza, fraer, etc.
      Honour
      http://belenky.livejournal.com/59455.html
      Of course there is nothing to be proud of, but you won’t erase words from the song.
    3. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 22: 04 New
      0
      Quote: 1rl141
      There was a documentary in which one granny scratched her ear in a tongue like a broom chalk. She seemed to speak Russian, but it was impossible to understand what exactly was.

      Ushkuynik - a free man who was part of an armed squad, equipped with Novgorod merchants and boyars, traveling around his ears and engaged in trade and raids on the Volga and Kama; warriors (in XIV-XV centuries), protection of the border territories of Veliky Novgorod. Also Novgorod ushkuyniki traded on the northern rivers [1] [2] - in the Novgorod and Vyatka lands of the XIV-XV centuries, members of the armed squads of the Posad troops of the Novgorod posadnik, formed to protect the north-western borders of Russia. In their spare time from the service, the Ushkuynsky carried out trade and field expeditions to the Volga and Kama.
    4. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: 1rl141
      This language is not capable of more.

      You, not knowing the language, say true stupidity.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 12: 38 New
    +1
    --- Themselves are gone. no one drove

    On the one hand, the war drove on the other hand, the settlers squeezed out. The network was the stories of immigrants, how they squeezed Arabs. If you wish, you can find a read. Although these memories are periodically described as intolerant.

    --- thanks to the brothers - Arabs

    Again, someone, but not the Jews, is to blame for the fact that people were driven out of their native land and made poor and powerless.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 12: 50 New
      0
      Quote: _KM_
      Again, someone, but not the Jews, is to blame for the fact that people were driven out of their native land and made poor and powerless

      they left, they were not driven
      Already at the beginning of 1948, the Arab League and the High Arab Committee of Palestine launched a propaganda campaign, the purpose of which was to encourage the Arab inhabitants of Palestine "to seek temporary refuge in neighboring countries."

      The rich Arabs were the first to leave the country, hoping to wait out military operations in Beirut or Cairo.

      From December 1947 to February 1948 Only about 20 thousand people left the country. However, over time, Arab propaganda achieved success, using, in particular, the deaths of a large number of Deir Yassin residents during the capture of the village by the forces of Irgun.

      In March 1948, a mass exodus of the Arab population from the Sharon Valley began. In Tiberias, the 6-strong Arab population besieged 2 Jewish residents of the city. When the latter managed to break through the blockade, the Arabs of Tiberias suddenly left the city on April 18, 1948, apparently obeying someone else’s order.

      In Safed, the Arabs, who were ten times the size of the XNUMX Jewish population of the city and held strategic positions in their hands, suddenly, literally within one night, left the city.

      About 60 thousand Arab residents of Haifa also left the city by order of their leaders.


      By the way, who was smart - returned
      Of the 630 thousand people who left their homes, 100 thousand were taken back after the war by Israel
    3. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 09 New
      +2
      The mass emigration of Jews from Arab and other Muslim countries during the 20th century. The repatriation of Jews in the Middle East and North Africa to the Land of Israel began at the end of the 19th century and became massive after the formation of the State of Israel and the Israeli War of Independence (1948). The catalysts for migration were also the mass Jewish pogroms of the 1940s in large Arab cities (in Baghdad, Cairo, Aden, Tripoli, Manama, Aleppo and several other cities).
      wiki
  • 1rl141
    1rl141 11 November 2015 12: 51 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    There are
    Maza, Haza, fraer, etc.


    And how many of these "etc."
    Another couple?
    And what does the word FRAVER mean? Not fraer, namely FRAVER? If it is also from Jewish, they should know.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: 1rl141
      And how many of these "etc."? A couple more?

      I brought you a link
      Quote: 1rl141
      And what does the word FRAVER mean? Not fraer, namely FRAVER? If it is also from Jewish, they should know.

      Yes, let yours, Armenian or whatever else.
      I said, most of the fen is from Hebrew-Yiddish.
      (Unfortunately )
      There are others - well, thank God.
      There’s nothing to be proud of.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 13: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    By the way, who was smart - returned


    And he lives as a disenfranchised cattle in his native land. Fantastic perspective.

    No propaganda would be effective if it has no real reason.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 13: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: _KM_
      And he lives as a disenfranchised cattle in his native land. Fantastic perspective.

      Are you talking about Israeli Arabs? The only difference between Arabs, Muslims, and all other citizens is that our military service is mandatory at their request. Unhappy disenfranchised Arabs ah ah ah. crying
    2. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 11 November 2015 13: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      Quote: atalef
      By the way, who was smart - returned


      And he lives as a disenfranchised cattle in his native land. Fantastic perspective.

      No propaganda would be effective if it has no real reason.

      And what are they infringed on? What rights do they have?
    3. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      And he lives as a disenfranchised cattle in his native land. Fantastic perspective.

      Disenfranchised?
      You should be so powerless
      .
    4. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      And he lives as a disenfranchised cattle in his native land.

      Arabs of Israel have the same rights as other citizens.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 11 November 2015 13: 14 New
    +4
    The most interesting thing is that the participation of Palestinians (euphemism - mercenary Arabs) in the Chechen war is still bashfully hushed up. The war against Russia, the war to destroy Russia.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Pushkar
      The most interesting thing is that the participation of Palestinians (euphemism - mercenary Arabs) in the Chechen war is still bashfully hushed up. The war against Russia, the war to destroy Russia.

      Palestinians - as many as you want.
      Hamas is recruiting Palestinians to participate in the war in Chechnya and in a number of other conflicts abroad, the WorldTribune online publication reports. Documents seized from Hamas militants in the West Bank and Gaza indicate that fighting in Chechnya is one of the leading areas in the Islamic struggle.

      Among the propaganda materials, posters were found glorifying the anti-Russian jihad in Chechnya and its leader Shamil Basayev, associated with the international terrorist network Al-Qaeda. Afghanistan, the Balkans, Kashmir and Lebanon were named other areas of the Islamic struggle, besides Palestine and Chechnya.

      http://lenta.ru/news/2005/05/23/hamas/
      By the way, the Palestinians are fighting against Assad - the same as they do not advertise
      Palestinians in the Syrian conflict are perceived as Sunni Arabs and perceive themselves as such. Therefore, naturally, they are fighting against Assad, and Assad is fighting against them. The largest Palestinian refugee camp in Syria, Yarmouk, located in the vicinity of Damascus, is bombed continuously. All Palestinian organizations fighting against Israel left Syria. And the Palestinians themselves are fighting against the Assad regime in the most active way.
      Precisely because they are Sunni Arabs, and not the mythical "Arab people of Palestine." By the way, the Muslim brothers and their Palestinian branch, Hamas, also adhere to this point of view. In their opinion, there is neither a Palestinian, nor a Syrian, nor an Iraqi people. And there are Sunni Arabs who are supposed to build one big and beautiful caliphate.
    3. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 15 New
      +3
      No wonder. For them, that is Russian, that a Jew is kafir.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 13: 23 New
    -2
    Quote: Hello
    The only difference between Muslim Arabs and all other citizens is that our military service is mandatory at their request.


    Not the only one. I understand that I want to reduce everything to chuckles, but in fact, everything is not so rosy. Israel is a Jewish state, and the Arab has no prospects there. What is especially acute against the backdrop of the fact that before that the land belonged to them.

    If you don’t want to understand this, I can give an analogy from Soviet history, when after the revolution, housing was taken from wealthy homeowners, turned into a communal apartment, and the former owner was given part of the room, fenced with plywood. At the same time, the former owner, as a socially alien element in the 20s and 30s, was actually limited in rights.

    And now you say that it’s good. Oh well.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: _KM_
      Israel is a Jewish state, and the Arab has no prospects there

      What exactly do you mean by prospects? Answer, I will write you down

      Quote: _KM_
      What is especially acute against the backdrop of the fact that before that the land belonged to them.

      And now it belongs to them.
      All private land (from the time of Turkish law) - recorded in Tabu (land codastre) and remained in the use of their owners.
      it doesn’t matter - the Arabs. Jews, Druze. hritians
      Quote: _KM_
      If you do not want to understand this, I can give an analogy

      No need to give analogies - you specifically ask
      The answers will clearly disappoint you.
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      Israel is a Jewish state, and the Arab has no prospects there

      What exactly do you mean by prospects? Answer, I will write you down

      Quote: _KM_
      What is especially acute against the backdrop of the fact that before that the land belonged to them.

      And now it belongs to them.
      All private land (from the time of Turkish law) - recorded in Tabu (land codastre) and remained in the use of their owners.
      it doesn’t matter - the Arabs. Jews, Druze. hritians
      Quote: _KM_
      If you do not want to understand this, I can give an analogy

      No need to give analogies - you specifically ask
      The answers will clearly disappoint you.
    3. tilix
      tilix 11 November 2015 16: 39 New
      +8
      before that the land belonged to them
      Well, where do you get this X..nu from? If you are a serious person, you should know that most of the land in Israel belonged to the Turkish government. 3 (Three Karl) Arab clans occupied this land for hire from the Turks (in more detail the classification of land ). They brought most of the "Palestinians", the land to cultivate, which they were given for hire a second time, after the Turks. And with the loss of the Turks, the land passed under the mandate.
      Well, to what (perky).
    4. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      Israel is a Jewish state, and the Arab has no prospects there. What is especially acute against the backdrop of the fact that before that the land belonged to them.

      You are not right.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 13: 28 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Disenfranchised?
    You should be so powerless


    I'm glad that you switched to you and slipped into cheap manipulative tricks. This suggests that I am right and that you have no counterarguments. Thank.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: _KM_
      Quote: atalef
      Disenfranchised?
      You should be so powerless


      I'm glad that you switched to you and slipped into cheap manipulative tricks. This suggests that I am right and that you have no counterarguments. Thank.

      No . it says that you don’t know anything.
      Specifically, pliz, in what rights the Israeli Arabs are infringed.
      List. I will answer for each item.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 13: 36 New
    -1
    The problem is that the British and Israelis drove the Arabs from their native land created a huge mass of powerless and useless people. Which has become a nutritious broth for crime and terrorism. And there is no real prospect to solve this problem. Therefore, the war in the Middle East will continue to permanently continue, taking lives on both sides.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 11 November 2015 16: 13 New
      0
      nobody needs a solution to the Palestine problem, that's the only right answer. Two dozen Arab countries contain a huge army of refugees, allowing them not to work and be a nutritious broth for recruiting a mass of militants for any purpose the Arab customer needs. And with the Palestinian birth rate, potential recruits multiply by geometric progression. At the same time, with excellent life support, a low level of education is maintained, guaranteeing perfect cannon fodder and ideal mass women in labor.
      On the other hand, it’s not better, Israel does not allow developing the infrastructure of Gaza itself, holding the port in a total blockade and prohibiting the import of building materials there, guaranteeing unemployed parasites and a source of cheap labor for Israel itself
      In general, as a long-term wanderer in the Middle East, he formed the opinion that the Arab is a Jew, and the Arab Jew, Salaam Alaikum and Shalom Aleichem do not sound very different, their brothers are the most native and scuffle of their family smile
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 November 2015 16: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Pissarro
        Giant army of refugees contains two dozen Arab countries

        The Arab countries do not contain Palestinians (the figures I quoted above) - the USA and the EU will support them (primarily through the UN) and directly.
        Quote: Pissarro
        On the other hand, it’s not better, Israel does not allow developing the infrastructure of Gaza itself,

        Israel left Gaza for 9 years and has nothing to do with their internal disassembly
        Quote: Pissarro
        holding in total blockade

        Look at the map and you will see that Gaza has a common border with Egypt and the Rafah checkpoint, which Israel certainly does not control
        Quote: Pissarro
        forbidding to import building materials there

        Are we obligated? they build tunnels from these systems of materials.
        To the Egyptians (Arab brothers) please, let them help.

        Quote: Pissarro
        brothers they are the most relatives and scuffle their family

        Brothers? what the fuck are they to us.
        Their brothers in the Negev pinch a camel's thorn.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 11 November 2015 16: 32 New
          +2
          The Arab countries do not contain Palestinians (the figures I quoted above) - the USA and the EU will support them (primarily through the UN) and directly.


          I live in the United Arab Emirates. At every gas station, in every supermarket, in every bank and exchanger, there are boxes of Arab charitable foundations that finance Palestinians. In fairness, not only for Palestinians, but also for other Arab refugees, Syrians today. , the experience of Jordan and Lebanon was taken into account, kept at a distance. And near the houses, along the streets, boxes were placed where you can throw clothes for refugees unnecessary
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    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 11 November 2015 17: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: _KM_
      the British with the Israelis drove the Arabs

      The British and the Israelis ... That's your whole level of knowledge of the issue.
      In the picture:
      English soldiers hanged by Jewish underground in response to the execution of their comrades.
      Here are the Israelis had a great relationship with the British:
  • 1rl141
    1rl141 11 November 2015 13: 39 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: 1rl141
    And how many of these "etc."? A couple more?

    I brought you a link
    Quote: 1rl141
    And what does the word FRAVER mean? Not fraer, namely FRAVER? If it is also from Jewish, they should know.

    Yes, let yours, Armenian or whatever else.
    I said, most of the fen is from Hebrew-Yiddish.
    (Unfortunately )
    There are others - well, thank God.
    There’s nothing to be proud of.


    Do not take the liberty of saying so. Of the 10 words on the hair dryer, 000 may be Hebrew, but passed to them from other languages.
    As a word, "fraer" is a German word. In translation - the groom. In jargon, it means dandy, fashionable, can be an easy prey for a pickpocket.
    The word engraver in jargon means its own, clear kid, that is correct.
    And in general, why do you need to realize that here, too, Jews could not have done?
    Maybe that's why?

    Having been mistaken in a blissful common paradise,
    but loving old dreams,
    Jews emigrate to Israel
    to feel Russian.

    And here's another one for you personally.

    Always a Jew is easily visible everywhere,
    you can hear a Jew right from the doorway
    there are very few Jews on the planet
    but every Jew is a lot.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 13: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: 1rl141
      Do not take the liberty of saying so. Of the 10 words on the hair dryer, 000 may be Hebrew, but passed to them from other languages.

      Have you looked at the link?
      I’m telling you again, I would be glad if there were no Jewish words in your opinion and in the hair dryer

      Quote: 1rl141
      As the word "fraer" is a German word

      Do you know that Yiddish is a dialect of German?
      Quote: 1rl141
      The word engraver in jargon means its own, clear kid, that is, the correct

      So in the dictionary it was written - a clear pansanchik?
      Frayer (also frayer) is a word from criminal jargon that has also become common jargon, the main meaning of which is a person who has nothing to do with the criminal world, “alien” in the criminal environment

      In Old High German, Freier means “free”, “bridegroom”. From this word came German Freier [1] - "a brothel client", "a man paying for a prostitute." From German, the word went into Yiddish, where פֿרײַ means "free." And from Yiddish, probably, it fell into the Odessa slang vocabulary, and then into Russian criminal jargon. It is believed likely that many of the concepts of Russian thieves 'jargon came from the vocabulary of the Odessa thieves' environment, who largely speak Yiddish.

      Have you been banned in Google?
      Quote: 1rl141
      Always a Jew is easily visible everywhere, a Jew can be heard immediately from the doorway, very few Jews on the planet, but every Jew - a lot

      It's clear
      For all the Jews there is a judge.
      For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
      For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
      For the fact that she missed
      1. andj61
        andj61 11 November 2015 21: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        It's clear
        For all the Jews there is a judge.
        For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
        For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
        For the fact that she missed

        Igor Guberman
        For the whole planet, my people
        God's great punishment.
        Do not be so confused between us -
        The whole world would do circumcision.
      2. 1rl141
        1rl141 12 November 2015 15: 24 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Do you know that Yiddish is a dialect of German?

        What dialect? What German?
        I love you, I will tell you how it was.
        In ancient times, Jews came to the Russian fair with their goods. Jews and Russians understood each other poorly, because at that time there was no Moscow State University, and there were not very simple institutions of foreign languages. And the interpreters, in a foolish habit, put on a barrel of gunpowder ...
        Well, when the Russian men found out the price of this product, they exclaimed "Come on, you nah!"
        The Jews, who did not sell anything, went back and muttered, "You are Yiddish, you are Yiddish .... Always the same thing ... Why am I Yiddish? Well, since the Russians said that Yiddish, then it must be so ..."
        So it has been since that time. And you say the dialect ...
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 14: 04 New
    -6
    Pace forgot the "descendant" of Judas.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 14: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Boris Zidkov
      Pace forgot the "descendant" of Judas.

      Do not choke on your saliva. Borya wink
      1. Hello
        Hello 11 November 2015 14: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Do not choke on your saliva. Borya

        Oh Alexander, be vigilant. Borya was not the only one who cut off the paisas, he was also a hunter, a military man with three shell concussions, a miner and a wrestler. wassat Not a human being. Scary horror laughing
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 14: 16 New
    -7
    And the sidepieces, the sidepieces are where. Find yourself an aspen. Your father did it, and you will get a "descendant"
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 14: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Boris Zidkov
      And the sidepieces, the sidepieces are where. Find yourself an aspen. Your father did it, and you will get a "descendant"

      Is the diagnosis already made? Outpatient treatment? Or already in the psychiatric hospital conducted the Internet?
  • 1rl141
    1rl141 11 November 2015 14: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Have you looked at the link?


    The word "reference" is a magic word for you or what? It's like, well, that's a reference! Well, don't be lazy, read it! Everything is written there! And what, should I take this borax as a pioneer? Do not buy me for this bullshit.
    I read books, respected people. And not opuses "a la Zadornov" by no one knows who in the LiveJournal. It is written there, as on a fence. And what really lies, everyone knows.
    Do not disgrace yourself, do not send people to such "links". And then they will send it someday.

    Jews, absorbing foreign culture
    and taking creative action
    poured into its fruitful composition
    solutions with poisonous Jewry.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 14: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: 1rl141
      I read books, dear people
      it's about
      Quote: 1rl141
      means your own, clear kid, that is correct.

      - write?

      Quote: 1rl141
      Do not disgrace yourself, do not send people to such "links". Otherwise they will send

      Don’t tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go
      Quote: 1rl141
      Jews, having absorbed a foreign culture and having taken up creative action, pour solutions of poisonous Jewry into its fruitful composition

      you
      My stay is everywhere
      sad people around:
      the Jews to their breath
      consume folk oxygen
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 11 November 2015 16: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef

        you
        My stay is everywhere
        sad people around:
        the Jews to their breath
        consume folk oxygen
        Good to you to bicker. You both quote my beloved brilliant Guberman "evil-eyed".
        1. andj61
          andj61 11 November 2015 21: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Pushkar
          Good to you to bicker. You both quote my beloved brilliant Guberman "evil-eyed".

          good hi This only emphasizes the unity of Jews and Russians! yes
          I cherish my squeamishness
          guiding me for a long time:
          even to spit on the enemy
          I don’t type in my mouth obviously.
    2. prishelec
      prishelec 11 November 2015 22: 11 New
      0
      Quote: 1rl141
      Do not disgrace yourself, do not send people to such "links". And then they will send it someday.

      Jews, absorbing foreign culture
      and taking creative action
      poured into its fruitful composition
      solutions with poisonous Jewry.

      In, in, right. lol
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 14: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    Specifically, pliz, in what rights the Israeli Arabs are infringed.


    OK. Let's start with the status of Israel. All the attention.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 14: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      OK. Let's start with the status of Israel. All attention

      what exactly?
      state of Israel.
      Member of the UN, has diplomatic relations with Russia.
      What else interests?
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  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 14: 40 New
    -1
    Quote: atalef
    what exactly?
    state of Israel.
    Member of the UN, has diplomatic relations with Russia.
    What else interests?


    Do not take aside. How to be with the status Jewish state?
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    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 14: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      Quote: atalef
      what exactly?
      state of Israel.
      Member of the UN, has diplomatic relations with Russia.
      What else interests?


      Do not take aside. How to be with the status Jewish state?

      It’s very simple, it’s Jewish, but how does it infringe on the Arabs?
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 14: 49 New
    -3
    Atalef. And as you manage to do everything, from the cot. Hide from the orderlies.
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 11 November 2015 14: 51 New
    -1
    Atalef. And how do you manage to do everything from the cot. Hide from the orderlies. But the pace, the pace is where.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 15: 17 New
      0
      Author Roman Skomorokhov
      But one thing I could not understand: why are the Palestinians still refugees? In the third and fourth generations? Why can’t they accept the citizenship of the country in which they live? Or give it to your children?

      Probably because the Palestinians want them and their children to live on the territory of their state currently occupied by Israel and not in a foreign land.
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 34 New
        +1
        What was the name of the capital of the FILYSTIN state, mahmud? Who was the last leader of it, what was its currency called? Show me a citizen’s passport, eh?
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 15: 15 New
    -3
    Quote: atalef
    It’s very simple, it’s Jewish, but how does it infringe on the Arabs?


    Those. a foreign state on their land, and this should not infringe on the Arabs ?! Another state, another faith, other people. And the right to self-determination is only in the titular nation.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 15: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: _KM_
      Those. a foreign state on their land, and this should not infringe on the Arabs ?! Another state, another faith, other people. And the right to self-determination is only in the titular nation.

      Excuse me, but this is absolute nonsense.
      At the time of the proclamation of the State of Israel, the Declaration of Independence established that the existence of social equality for all citizens is a fundamental principle of society. The Declaration of Independence calls on Arab citizens of Israel to maintain peace and take part in building the country on the basis of full and equal citizenship, namely: full equality before the law, political equality (voting right) and social equality in state and civilian institutions.

      In addition, the Declaration proclaims that Israel provides freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture to all citizens, regardless of religion, race or gender. The State of Israel recognizes the right of national minorities to preserve their distinctive culture, in particular through separate education. The state provides opportunities for minorities to maintain separate school systems, partially funded by the state. The state recognizes the special status of the Arabic language and religious autonomy for members of minorities. Israel provides state funding (full or partial) for religious organizations and the religious needs of minorities

      From wiki
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 15: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: _KM_
      .e. a foreign state on their land, and this should not infringe on the Arabs ?!

      in the territory of Chechnya. Bashkiria and Tatarstan - the same other state - how does it hurt them?
      Quote: _KM_
      Another state, another faith, other people.

      do not understand ? In Israel - Judaism - the official religion of the state? Or does someone interfere with Muslims Christians or friends - profess their religion?
      Quote: _KM_
      And the right to self-determination is only in the titular nation.

      i.e.?
      by the way on the question of the Jewish state, and where did you even meet that?
      Israel (Heb. ישראל, Arabic. إسرائيل), official name - State of Israel (Heb. מדינת ישראל, Arabic. دولة اسرائيل) is a state in Southwest Asia. The population, according to the Central Statistical Office of Israel as of September 2014, is 8,25 million people, the territory - 22 072 km². It occupies 97th place in the world in terms of population and 147th in territory.

      The capital is Jerusalem.The official languages ​​are Hebrew, Arabic.

      so continue, where and who is infringed?
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 11 November 2015 17: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        The capital is Jerusalem. The official languages ​​are Hebrew and Arabic.

        so continue, where and who is infringed?

        Never convinced. And where is Russian among the state ones? Infringement of the right of Russian-speaking repatriates to speak Russian. Israel is a prison of nations. Netanyahu is a dictator.
        1. Hello
          Hello 11 November 2015 17: 26 New
          +6
          Quote: IS-80
          Never convinced. And where is Russian among the state ones? Infringement of the right of Russian-speaking repatriates to speak Russian. Israel is a prison of nations. Netanyahu is a dictator.

          Moreover, Yiddish is not state, Ashkenazi are indignant. Bibi strangles the freedom of the working people wassat
          1. andj61
            andj61 11 November 2015 21: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Hello
            Moreover, Yiddish is not state, Ashkenazi are indignant

            Yes, those who are younger than 60 and do not know! But there will be more Russian Jews!
            1. atalef
              atalef 11 November 2015 21: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: andj61
              Yes, those who are younger than 60 and do not know! But there will be more Russian Jews!

              They know, Andrew, the orthodox know everything.
            2. tilix
              tilix 11 November 2015 22: 03 New
              +2
              Andrew, well, I know. And before 60 there is still.
        2. atalef
          atalef 11 November 2015 19: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: IS-80
          Quote: atalef
          The capital is Jerusalem. The official languages ​​are Hebrew and Arabic.

          so continue, where and who is infringed?

          Never convinced. And where is Russian among the state ones? Infringement of the right of Russian-speaking repatriates to speak Russian. Israel is a prison of nations. Netanyahu is a dictator.

          So I'm talking about Russian speakers in Israel. more than Arabic speakers - at the same time nobody is going to introduce Russian (as a state) laughing
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 11 November 2015 21: 30 New
            +1
            atalef, Hello, Kaiten, tilix, Netwallker and other suspicious persons from Israel, confess who paid Comrade Skomorokhov's article? laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 11 November 2015 21: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: IS-80
              atalef, Hello, Kaiten, tilix, Netwallker and other suspicious persons from Israel, confess who paid Comrade Skomorokhov's article? laughing

              I think Vatnik.
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 11 November 2015 21: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                I think Vatnik.

                So why? What's the catch? recourse
                1. atalef
                  atalef 11 November 2015 21: 44 New
                  +2
                  Quote: IS-80
                  Quote: atalef
                  I think Vatnik.

                  So why? What's the catch? recourse
                  1. IS-80
                    IS-80 11 November 2015 21: 52 New
                    0
                    Vatnik - hidden si.po.s.i.s.t.? !! belay
                    1. miru mir
                      miru mir 11 November 2015 23: 13 New
                      +2
                      Quote: IS-80
                      Vatnik - hidden si.po.s.i.s.t.? !!

                      Ehhh ... What a pun intended laughing
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 11 November 2015 23: 41 New
                        +2
                        Quote: miru mir
                        Quote: IS-80
                        Vatnik - hidden si.po.s.i.s.t.? !!

                        Ehhh ... What a pun intended laughing

                        From the opera about the pianist Sidorov?
                      2. miru mir
                        miru mir 12 November 2015 12: 37 New
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        From the opera about the pianist Sidorov?

                        Exactly laughing
  • padded jacket
    padded jacket 11 November 2015 15: 36 New
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    Quote: atalef
    It’s very simple, it’s Jewish, but how does it infringe on the Arabs?

    Of course, of course, this storyteller will now tell us stories here about how Arabs happily live and prosper in Israel compared to which Jews are poor lol
    So why, then, are these happy Israeli Arabs the main executors of the attacks, as you say?
    Portrait of a terrorist.
    2015 Arab Terrorists Profile: Single Men, 21, Israeli Passport
    Average age of terrorists: 21 years (as in 2001, at the beginning of the Al-Aqsa intifada). For 14 years, other parameters of the "terrorist profile" have not changed either: these are almost always young unmarried men or adolescents (in 85% of cases). All attacks were reportedly carried out by Sunni Muslims.
    The only significant difference from terrorists of the "past generation" is the presence of "blue" Israeli passports in 70-80% of cases(judging by the data published in open sources), which allows extremists to freely move around the country.
    http://old.newsru.co.il/arch/israel/16oct2015/profile_110.html

    80% of the so-called terrorists are Arabs with Israeli citizenship, that is, the so-called Israeli Arabs.
    1. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: quilted jacket
      So why, then, are these happy Israeli Arabs the main executors of the attacks, as you say?

      Alahbabahnutnye on the head. No.
  • miru mir
    miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: _KM_
    Another state, another faith, other people.

    Mosque in the Israeli city of Ramla. Not far from it is the Orthodox Church.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 15: 28 New
    0
    And who are the citizens? ;)
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 15: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      And who are the citizens? ;)

      where
    2. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 15: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      And who are the citizens? ;)

      In what sense? All citizens and Arabs and Druze and Jews and Christians and Bedouins.
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 November 2015 15: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: Hello
        Quote: _KM_
        And who are the citizens? ;)

        In what sense? All citizens and Arabs and Druze and Jews and Christians and Bedouins.

        he thinks in Israel citizenship is only among Jews fool
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    3. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 15: 44 New
      -1
      And by the way, do not lie, not all Palestinians are fighting against Assad, for example, the PFLP-GK is for him and a significant number of Palestinians are fighting in the militia.
  • 1rl141
    1rl141 11 November 2015 15: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: atalef
    you
    My stay is everywhere
    sad people around:
    the Jews to their breath
    consume folk oxygen


    And this is for you.
    Jews slander and wail
    make dope and whim
    Jews breathe our air
    and they breathe out - not ours

    In any den, where the villain
    evil of evil
    certainly a Jew
    or the finances of judaism.

    And in the books of respected people it is written that such woodpeckers should be chased by the position of the swept fufan by position.
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    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 16: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: 1rl141
      And in the books of respected people it is written that such woodpeckers should be chased by the position of the swept fufan by position.

      Why are you so nervous? Look at life easier.
      And then you’ll stick the clave with your fingers
      different we read books laughing .
      reminded
      The wife says to her husband:

      - Let's make love like in the movies!

      The husband agreed. He had her as he wanted, then he finished right there ... She wiped herself:

      - Yeah, love! We watch different films with you !!!

  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 15: 57 New
    -5
    Quote: atalef
    so continue where and who is disadvantaged


    Sumptuously. For the first time I come across the fact that the geographical description of the country served as an argument in the dispute about the internal political structure of the state. belay
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 16: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      Quote: atalef
      so continue where and who is disadvantaged


      Sumptuously. For the first time I come across the fact that the geographical description of the country served as an argument in the dispute about the internal political structure of the state. belay

      I am the same (though not the first time) I encounter a person who can not read
      Israel is not called the Jewish state - it is called the state of Israel.
      (as Russia is called the Russian Federation)
      Further, you somehow brought nothing in quality of arguments for dispute.
      And about the domestic political device - in general a masterpiece.
      So, for those who are in the tank - what infringe on the rights of Arab citizens of Israel.
      or didn’t understand the question?
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 16: 55 New
      +1
      Israel was proclaimed precisely as a Jewish state and not as a state for all peoples who live on its territory (such as Russia).
      We read a resource that is credible among Jews smile
      The Declaration of Independence of Israel (Hebrew מְגִלַּת הָעַצְמָאוּת, Megilat Ha'atzmaut) is a legal document that proclaims the formation of the State of Israel and sets out the basic principles of its structure.
      “We proclaim the creation of a Jewish State in Eretz Yisrael - the State of Israel”
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D
      0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%81%D1
      %82%D0%B8_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8F
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 17: 12 New
    -2
    Quote: atalef
    Israel is not called a Jewish state


    He was proclaimed as such. Moreover, there is a theory that the Israeli constitution is therefore not adopted, that no one wants to change the existing order of things, but to prescribe the existing order, which means the whole world to admit racism and intolerance.

    Quote: atalef
    So, for those who are in the tank - what infringe on the rights of Arab citizens of Israel.
    or didn’t understand the question?


    An attempt to hurt and move the discussion to another plane is very characteristic and demonstrate the absence of arguments.

    Well, I repeat once again - the state of Israel arose on the territory belonging to the Palestinians. However, the promised Palestinian state has not been created. Including due to the efforts of Israel. This is a direct and explicit violation of their rights.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 17: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: _KM_
      confess racism and intolerance.

      You better tell me what is racism and intolerance? And then you ask questions and deftly leave the answer questions.
      Quote: atalef
      what infringed on the rights of Arab citizens of Israel.
    2. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 17: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      Well, I repeat once again - the state of Israel arose on the territory belonging to the Palestinians. However, the promised Palestinian state has not been created. Including due to the efforts of Israel. This is a direct and explicit violation of their rights.

      Straight to the Palestinians? The Ottomans with the Britons at a loss. The promised Palestinian state has not been created, but do you know why? Because the lands of the Arab part of Palestine were occupied by Jordan and Egypt.
    3. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 19: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: _KM_
      He was proclaimed as such.

      No
      Quote: _KM_
      . Moreover, there is a theory that the Israeli constitution is therefore not adopted, that no one wants to change the existing order of things, but to prescribe the existing order, which means the whole world to admit racism and intolerance.

      But there is a theory and conspiracy.
      Maybe we’ll go over the facts. So, you still haven’t answered me - it’s concrete what the rights of Arabs are

      Quote: _KM_
      Well, I repeat once again - the state of Israel arose on the territory belonging to the Palestinians

      no, read the article carefully
      Quote: _KM_
      However, the promised Palestinian state has not been created. Including due to the efforts of Israel

      Do you want to send the article again? Or bother reading?
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 17: 22 New
    -1
    Quote: Pissarro
    they are the most brothers and relatives, and their family scuffle


    I think the same way. In addition, their religions are very close, and customs. As someone wrote, Arabs and Jews have one mother, only the popes are different.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      As someone wrote, Arabs and Jews have one mother, only the popes are different.

      100% - Jews are one of the "breakaway" branches of the Arabs.
      Jews who are not descended from mixed marriages from Arabs cannot be distinguished.
      Real Israeli orthodox Jews.
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 19: 51 New
      0
      Quote: _KM_
      I think the same way. In addition, their religions are very close, and customs. As someone wrote, Arabs and Jews have one mother, only the popes are different.

      Someone again? Maybe you read it all the same, otherwise you have everything, somewhere, like that, but as facts - we quietly slip away
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 17: 29 New
    -2
    --- Ottomans with Britons at a loss.

    Well, yes, Palestine is originally British territory, which since ancient times was inhabited by Anglo-Saxons, Celts, etc., traditionally British nations.

    --- Because the lands of the Arab part of Palestine were occupied by Jordan and Egypt.

    Why did they take her? Just do not need a formal reply.

    --- And then you put questions

    And I do not get an answer to them. Instead of an answer, I get questions designed to take the dialogue the other way.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 17: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: _KM_
      Well, yes, Palestine is originally British territory, which since ancient times was inhabited by Anglo-Saxons, Celts, etc., traditionally British nations.

      If you and I will judge by the ancestral lands, it is enough to look at the name of the region of Judea, but for some reason the Arabs believe that Judea is their land is strange is not it? Anyway, the Jews will say that Arabia is originally Jewish land.
      Quote: _KM_
      Why did they take her? Just do not need a formal reply.

      Because they did not agree with the division of Palestine into two states for two peoples, and began a war in which they did not win. So what is the infringement of the Israeli Arabs?
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 19: 54 New
      0
      Quote: _KM_
      Well, yes, Palestine is originally British territory, which since ancient times was inhabited by Anglo-Saxons, Celts, etc., traditionally British nations.

      Was Jesus a Brit?
      Quote: _KM_
      Why did they take her? Just do not need a formal reply.

      This is not to the Jews, this is to the palaces or Jordanians with the Egyptians - let them answer you. Why they occupied the Palestinian lands (that is, the lands that were given to the UN by the Palestinian state) - this state was not created on it.
      Quote: _KM_
      And I do not get an answer to them. Instead of an answer, I get questions designed to take the dialogue the other way.

      Yes, you answer at least one yourself, so what are the rights of Arabs violated?
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 17: 44 New
    -1
    --- for some reason, the Arabs believe that Judea is their land is strange is not it

    Because the Jews were expelled from Palestine in ancient times. And over the past millennia, Arabs lived there.

    --- So what is the infringement of the Israeli Arabs?

    Again. The fact that Jews took possession of their lands and created their own state there.

    Suppose Gypsies come in and say that 300 years ago there was a camp in the place of your own house, and on this basis they will kick you out of your house, but leave a corner in the hallway. You will be satisfied, will not consider yourself infringed?
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    3. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 18: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      --- for some reason, the Arabs believe that Judea is their land is strange is not it

      Because the Jews were expelled from Palestine in ancient times. And over the past millennia, Arabs lived there.

      --- So what is the infringement of the Israeli Arabs?

      Again. The fact that Jews took possession of their lands and created their own state there.

      Suppose Gypsies come in and say that 300 years ago there was a camp in the place of your own house, and on this basis they will kick you out of your house, but leave a corner in the hallway. You will be satisfied, will not consider yourself infringed?

      Owners understand the Ottomans by Palestine for 300 years, then the British still 30 and then Arabs appear like that gypsy camp and they say it is their land. You contradict yourself. So what is the infringement of the Israeli Arabs?
    4. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 20: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: _KM_
      Because the Jews were expelled from Palestine in ancient times. And over the past millennia, Arabs lived there.

      millennia?
      Jews lived in Germany and Spain for more than 2 years. Does this make the Jews masters of these lands?
      Quote: _KM_
      Again. The fact that Jews took possession of their lands and created their own state there.

      Nothing like this . privately owned land was not taken. in Haifa, still in the lower city are houses of Arabs who fled in 67.
      and no one has the right to touch them. A state may confiscate land only if the owner has not appeared within 50 years.
      i.e. in 2017, lower Haifa will eventually be cleared of these ruins
      And no man's land (that is, that belonged to the British Mandate - went to the state), do not forget that KAKAL bought over 1 million 250 tons of dunums of land and it was Jewish property
      So what kind of Palestinian lands are we talking about?
    5. miru mir
      miru mir 11 November 2015 22: 50 New
      +2
      Read about Palestine with Mark Twain.
      Here is how they think.
      https://youtu.be/HnVpUGRQjSw
  • Netwallker
    Netwallker 11 November 2015 18: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: _KM_
    --- for some reason, the Arabs believe that Judea is their land is strange is not it

    Because the Jews were expelled from Palestine in ancient times. And over the past millennia, Arabs lived there.

    --- So what is the infringement of the Israeli Arabs?

    Again. The fact that Jews took possession of their lands and created their own state there.

    Suppose Gypsies come in and say that 300 years ago there was a camp in the place of your own house, and on this basis they will kick you out of your house, but leave a corner in the hallway. You will be satisfied, will not consider yourself infringed?


    Here are the facts that say something else:
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 18: 09 New
    +1
    The numbers given do not mean anything.
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 11 November 2015 18: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: _KM_
      The numbers given do not mean anything.

      Why, they ruin your allegations in the bud. Abydna.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      By the way, not all Palestinians and Jews - enemies in the United States their views on present-day Israel coincide.


      During today's meeting between US President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an anti-Israeli demonstration was held in front of the White House with the participation of pro-Palestinian activists and Jewish ultra-Orthodox from the anti-Zionist organization Neturei Karta.
      Anti-Zionist Jews argued that Judaism had nothing to do with the "criminal state of Israel."

      http://9tv.co.il/news/2015/11/10/216721.html
    3. Netwallker
      Netwallker 11 November 2015 18: 25 New
      +2
      These are figures for 2011, where is the infringement of Arabs here, especially in the northern district, Judea and Samaria?
      And will it not make it difficult for you to explain the growth of the Arab population since 1880? 1920 at 800%, from 1921 to 1937 at 1200%, only without any superbirth (women give birth to so many, even Arab women). hi
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 November 2015 20: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Netwallker
        And will it not make it difficult for you to explain the growth of the Arab population since 1880? 1920 at 800%, from 1921 to 1937 at 1200%, only without any superbirth (women give birth so much, even Arab women

        Well, how to explain. this is just connected with the construction of the Turks and then the Britons
        railway from Lebanon to Jordan and throughout the entire territory
        Workers were needed, they paid in large numbers from Egypt, mainly from Jordan.
        The beginning of railways in Israel was laid by British and Turkish authorities during the periods of territorial administration. Branches from Jaffa to Haifa and Jerusalem were laid.

        1892 - Line opened to Jerusalem

        villages were also brought in (whole) from Sudan, as they had congenital malaria immunity. A very interesting story, by the way. Sudanese were considered former slaves, despite the fact that they are the same muslim. in Israel, Arabs still consider them to be unclean and no one marries and marries them.
        so they breed among themselves.
        Jiser el-Zarqa But if someone knows the name of this village - what does he know about it? As a rule, only that it is the poorest locality in Israel. In the reports of the Israeli welfare services and control over the standard of living, Jiser al-Zarq stubbornly, from year to year, takes place at the very bottom of the table. . High crime, drug addiction, even, despite the Muslim population, alcoholism ...

        Everyone goes by, but it’s not so easy to find someone who has been there - both among Jews and among Arabs. My gatherings at Jiser al-Zarq caused paroxysms of laughter from Arab acquaintances from Jaffa to Umm al-Fahm. “Jiser? What did you forget there? ” “Well, see what you say when you get back!” A friend from Jaffa said: “I only know that women work for them, and men live at their expense and complain!” One acquaintance said: “They are all so unsympathetic there ... and in general, some ugly ones ... just plain ugly people!” Another, elderly man, respected Sheikh, said with annoyance: “They have no idea about the community, respect for the woman ... and where from? Slaves! ”

        “Slaves” ... It was not news to me that the Arabs of Israel are respectful to the residents of Jiser al-Zarq, but for the first time I drew attention to this wording. When I asked a friend about this, an Arab activist with whom we went to Jiser, he only angrily dismissed: “Our society is also full of racism!”

        that’s where it all came from. We came to earn money, and then called ourselves Palestinians.
    4. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 20: 03 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      The numbers given do not mean anything.

      of course.
      Doesn’t say anything to you. No one question you didn’t answer.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 18: 17 New
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    What can they destroy and how? What are they talking about? The fact that a certain number of Arabs live in Israel and have Israeli passports? So this is an open secret. You can also write the diameter of the moon. It will be approximately the same with the current situation in the Middle East.
    1. Kaiten
      Kaiten 11 November 2015 18: 19 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      The fact that a certain number of Arabs live in Israel and have Israeli passports?

      But how do they live in Israel if, according to your statements, they all were subjugated?
    2. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 20: 21 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      What can they destroy and how? What are they talking about? The fact that a certain number of Arabs live in Israel and have Israeli passports?

      1.2 million Arabs live in Israel and all as Israeli citizens have passports, equal rights. But much less (than Jews) responsibilities.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 18: 26 New
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    Quote: Kaiten
    But how do they live in Israel if, according to your statements, they all were subjugated?


    No postscript. Better answer the question about the camp.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 18: 40 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      No postscript. Better answer the question about the camp.

      I already answered you. Do you think that the Arabs have more rights to these lands than the Jews, this is what infringes the Arabs in your opinion, on the grounds that after 300 years it’s stupid to pretend to something. I answer once again to the Jews and Arabs 330 years Ottomans and Britons owned the land. Why do you think that Arabs have rights to these lands? And again the question is what are the Israeli Arabs infringed on?
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 11 November 2015 18: 42 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      No postscript. Better answer the question about the camp

      Are you surprised that Jews claim their rights to this land? Even if we discard the religious and historical aspect, purely legally, did the UN recognize the division of the mandated territory into 2 states Jewish and Arab? You do not like the UN decisions, for which the USSR also voted? These are your personal problems. By 1948, enough Jews had settled in Mandate Palestine to form their own state.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 18: 52 New
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    --- 330 years Ottomans and Britons owned this land

    Owning does not mean living.

    --- By 1948, enough Jews had settled in Mandate Palestine to form their own state

    They began to come to Palestine shortly before 1948. Something reminiscent of the situation with Yugoslavia. We arrived, settled down and demanded the former owners to leave.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 19: 06 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      Owning does not mean living.

      That is, if Tatars live and lived in Tatarstan and Russia only owns these lands, then the Tatars are infringed in Tatarstan? Is this your logic?
      Quote: _KM_
      They began to come to Palestine shortly before 1948. Something reminiscent of the situation with Yugoslavia. We arrived, settled down and demanded the former owners to leave.

      with 1882 years
      In the period 1099-1516gg. The land of Israel for 417 years was in the possession of the Crusaders and Mamluks (by origin, mainly Turks, Georgians, Circassians).

      From 1517 to 1917, the Land of Israel was under Turkish rule for 400 years (Turks do not belong to the Arabs). From 1918 to 1948 The land of Israel has been under the British protectorate for 30 years. Since 1948 the state of Israel has existed for more than 60 years. Thus, for at least the past 900 years, the Land of Israel (Palestine) has not been controlled by the Arabs. In general, the Arab state with its capital in Jerusalem never existed.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 11 November 2015 19: 38 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      They began to arrive in Palestine shortly before 1948.

      It is believed that Jews never lived in large numbers in this region, and their large numbers arose precisely in Europe and other parts of the world, and only then when the UN allocated them land for the formation of their state in the BV did they begin to resettle there and declared it their exiled homeland from this land of Arabs.
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 11 November 2015 19: 03 New
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    Quote: _KM_
    demanded the former owners to exit.

    Excuse me, who started the war in 1948? Who, whom did you demand to exit?
    PS
    I read your answers with interest. Wait, we have not yet discussed Jewish refugees from Arab countries, of which there were about 1 million. The main thing is not to disappear.
    1. _KM_
      _KM_ 11 November 2015 21: 13 New
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      Quote: Kaiten
      Excuse me, who started the war in 1948? Who, whom did you demand to exit?


      There is such a thing - a causal relationship. Therefore, before asking questions, try to figure out what was the cause and what was the consequence.
      1. Kaiten
        Kaiten 12 November 2015 07: 59 New
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        Quote: _KM_
        There is such a thing - a causal relationship. Therefore, before asking questions, try to figure out what was the cause and what was the consequence.

        Let's leave this mentor tone and you will not lock me on me. Do you have any facts? Be kind to their studio.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 21: 10 New
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    Quote: Hello
    with 1882 years


    A massive invasion began after the First World War.

    Quote: Hello
    That is, if Tatars live and lived in Tatarstan and Russia only owns these lands, then the Tatars are infringed in Tatarstan? Is this your logic?


    Try reading again. No, I certainly understand that I want to turn the conversation in a different direction, but you really try to control yourself. Moreover, you did not answer the question about "sharing". I'd love to know your reaction.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 22: 42 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      A massive invasion began after the First World War.

      Like the Arabs
      Over the 65 years from 1882 to 1947, the Arab population of the Land of Israel grew by more than 1 million. It is interesting to note that over the previous 52 years from 1830 to 1882, the growth of the Arab population was approximately 70 thousand. Sir Winston Churchill 1939 remarked: "Without being subjected to real restrictions, the Arabs rushed into this country and increased their population to the sizes that the Jewish community is difficult to compete with, even if it manages to win over all world Jewry."

      F. Roosevelt noted in 1939: "Active Arab immigration to Palestine, which began in 1921, significantly exceeded the total Jewish immigration of the last period."

      Quote: _KM_
      Try reading again. No, I certainly understand that I want to turn the conversation in a different direction, but you really try to control yourself. Moreover, you did not answer the question about "sharing". I'd love to know your reaction.

      I’m trying to understand your logic. You are claiming that this land belongs to the Arabs on the basis of the fact that they lived here.
      year 1830 Arabs: 100-190 thousand Jews: 15-45 thousand
      1882 арабы:100-260 евреи:75-84
      1914 арабы:410-430 евреи:90-140
      1919 арабы:620-640 евреи:110-150
      1947 арабы:1200-1365 евреи:610-625
  • miru mir
    miru mir 11 November 2015 21: 19 New
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    And last, for skeptics. To all this, there can be many complaints. But one thing I could not understand: why are the Palestinians still refugees? In the third and fourth generations? Why can not take the citizenship of the country in which they live? Or give it to your children? Just to make their lives easier? In case of victory, you can change it, if that.
    Why are there two committees with the UN: a committee on refugees in general, and a separate committee on Palestinian refugees in particular?

    *** I have an answer to your questions, Roman. Money is a bunch of "right-guardians, protectors of poor phylists, etc."
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 11 November 2015 21: 40 New
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    Good article! Like many comments! Collapses cliches and makes you think.
    1. atalef
      atalef 11 November 2015 21: 45 New
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      Quote: Was Mammoth
      Good article! Like many comments! Collapses cliches and makes you think.

      Yes, respect to Roman.
      How much material shoveled.
      Not just rowing against the tide.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 11 November 2015 23: 06 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Yes, respect to Roman.

        I once asked the Professor a question on this subject, he ignored it. Apparently, in vain. Have you noticed that the seekers of the all-Jewish conspiracy look somehow pale today? wink An article from among those that make you seek the truth, and not use something hammered into your head, from among those that are attracted to "VO".
        PS Not so long ago it came across that Stalin was from the Jews. On the maternal side. Did you screw up there too? wink Ah, some Icelander. wink
  • Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 11 November 2015 22: 55 New
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    For the author. There were no "Egyptians" in 1291. To be honest, there are no Egyptians even now, but there are Arabs living in the territory called Egypt (Ayguptos).
    1. tilix
      tilix 11 November 2015 23: 08 New
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      Copts, they are the descendants of the ancient Egyptians. Today, the Christian minority in Egypt.
    2. andj61
      andj61 12 November 2015 08: 01 New
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      Quote: Sergey-8848
      For the author. There were no "Egyptians" in 1291. To be honest, there are no Egyptians even now, but there are Arabs living in the territory called Egypt (Ayguptos).

      Actually, there are "true" Egyptians. And it is from the word Egypt, and the Copts are called, Christians of the Eastern Church, who are closest to Orthodoxy, some consider them Orthodox, although the rituals are somewhat different. There are now about 10% of them in Egypt.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 23: 01 New
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    Quote: Hello
    I am trying to understand your logic. You are claiming that this land belongs to the Arabs on the basis that they lived here.


    Again. I affirm that they considered the land to be theirs. And there is a reason for this. For example, your calculations give every reason to assert that the Arabs in Palestine could consider themselves the titular nation. The term is not entirely correct, but it conveys the essence correctly - the Arabs considered the land their own. Then active migration began. And migrants drove out the "titular nation". Neighbors and tribesmen tried to intervene - as a result, war.

    You are trying to dispute the obvious. Your right, but a biased look, is harmful primarily to Israel. Because you still have to take off the pink glasses and solve this problem, and not try to fence yourself off from it, bribing part of the local Arabs, etc.
    1. Hello
      Hello 11 November 2015 23: 06 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      Again. I affirm that they considered their land.

      I also think that I am the master in the house until my wife wakes up
      Quote: _KM_
      For example, your calculations, they give every reason to assert that the Arabs in Palestine considered themselves the titular nation. The term is not entirely correct, but it conveys the essence - the Arabs considered the land their own. Then active migration began. And migrants drove out the "titular nation". Neighbors and tribesmen tried to intervene - as a result, war.

      If you look at these calculations, you will see that the Arabs came SIMULTANEOUSLY with the Jews. Once again
      Over the 65 years from 1882 to 1947, the Arab population of the Land of Israel grew by more than 1 million. It is interesting to note that over the previous 52 years from 1830 to 1882, the growth of the Arab population was approximately 70 thousand. Sir Winston Churchill 1939 remarked: "Without being subjected to real restrictions, the Arabs rushed into this country and increased their population to the sizes that the Jewish community is difficult to compete with, even if it manages to win over all world Jewry."

      F. Roosevelt noted in 1939: "Active Arab immigration to Palestine, which began in 1921, significantly exceeded the total Jewish immigration of the last period."

      I hope you comprehend what has been read. How, without emigration, the population in 65 years grows from 200 thousand to 1 million 200 thousand, or do you think Arab women machine guns. Arabs had the same rights with Jews to this land in 1948, they unleashed their right war and encroaching on everything. For which they raked.
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 11 November 2015 23: 46 New
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    So, were you right? Finally.
    1. Hello
      Hello 12 November 2015 01: 20 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      So, were you right? Finally.

      And? How are the rights of Israeli Arabs violated? And we started with this
  • _KM_
    _KM_ 12 November 2015 10: 56 New
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    We didn’t start with that. From this you began to transfer the conversation in a different direction. Moreover, we did not see the answer to the question of eviction, and, as I understand it, we will not see it. Because your goal is quite obvious.
    1. Hello
      Hello 12 November 2015 14: 20 New
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      Quote: _KM_
      We didn’t start with that. From this you began to transfer the conversation in a different direction. Moreover, we did not see the answer to the question of eviction, and, as I understand it, we will not see it. Because your goal is quite obvious.

      Yes, you absolutely do not accept arguments that diverge from your line.
      So let's take the first mass settlement of Jews and Arabs into the holy land in 1882. Before that, the population of Palestine did not exceed 250 thousand people, of which 150-190 Arabs were 15-60 Jews. The second, as a result of the First World War, Palestine was torn away from the Ottoman Empire in favor of Britain. The third in 1947, Britain refused the mandate for Palestine, it was proposed to create two (2) states for two peoples, the Palestinian Jewish administration agreed with the UN decision, the Arab representatives and the Arab countries supporting them refused and called for dropping Jewish settlements into the sea. Fourth on May 14 In 1948, Israel declared its independence from Britain (not pay attention to it from Palestine) on the same day Arab countries attacked Israel, in addition, they called on their fellow tribesmen to leave their places of residence in Palest in other words, in this way, they didn’t leave the Arabs by Jews voluntarily. The fifth Arab part of Palestine that the UN provided them was occupied by Jordan and Egypt. During the 1967 war, Israel seized these lands from Jordan and Egypt not from Palestine. And we return to My question to you is what infringed Israeli Arabs