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The new "help". NATO Specialists Prepare Development Concept

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Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Viktor Muzhenko announced that foreign specialists had joined the creation of program strategic documents. This is a document that represents the concept of development of the Ukrainian armed forces for the period up to 2020. According to Mr. Muzhenko, the officials of the North Atlantic military bloc were actively involved in the preparation of this document.


Victor Muzhenko on Facebook writes:
When developing the Concept for the development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine before 2020, we will actively use both our own and the best foreign experience.

This was discussed during the founding meeting with domestic experts, representatives of scientific institutions, public organizations and volunteers.

For the first time in stories Ukraine to the development of such an important document included foreign experts, in particular the office of external relations of NATO, after all, among the main directions of development of the national army is the introduction of relevant (NATO) standards.


The new "help". NATO Specialists Prepare Development Concept


It is reported that the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine agreed on a schedule for receiving advice on the formation of the concept of development of the army from NATO representatives. It is noted that Ukraine "may be in NATO in the 20-year perspective." As the modern Ukrainian “classic” says, to NATO, judging by the timing, “not only all” citizens of Ukraine will reach ...
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  1. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 9 November 2015 13: 16 New
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    Maybe someone heard that? : The infamous Ukrainian blogger Maxim Volokh, who cynically ridiculed the crash of the Russian A-321, was killed in his own apartment, Ukrainian media reported.

    The blogger got scandalous after he posted a video message on the Network, in which he cynically rejoiced at the crash of the Russian liner, as a result of which 224 people died.

    "Мне хотелось от счастья песни петь", — сказал блогер, заявив, что его необычайно порадовала эта новость.



    Source: http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-04/smi-v-kieve-ubit-ukrainskiy-bloger-cinichno-vys

    meyavshiy-krushenie-321 © REN.TV
    1. Now we are free
      Now we are free 9 November 2015 13: 18 New
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      It is noted that Ukraine “Could be in NATO in a 20-year perspective”.

      B ... MAIDAN STAND FOR SHCHO?!? wassat
      1. Vend
        Vend 9 November 2015 13: 21 New
        16
        How pathetic they are. They only do that, hoping for someone. They themselves can’t do anything already. Well, except for the stupid maidans.
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 9 November 2015 13: 45 New
          10
          Да,взгляд у Муженко (на фото) говорит о главном-ни какая "перемога на уже не помогёт"!
          1. 79807420129
            79807420129 9 November 2015 14: 11 New
            10
            They will develop a plan to quickly carry away their legs, and some sort of a post at NATO headquarters, they will sell everything that is possible on the territory of 404, including honor and conscience.
            1. Altona
              Altona 9 November 2015 15: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: 79807420129
              They will develop a plan to quickly carry away their legs, and some sort of a post at NATO headquarters, they will sell everything that is possible on the territory of 404, including honor and conscience.

              --------------------
              Планом всё и ограничится...Где деньги, Зин? На что технику то будут покупать и обслуживать? Боеприпасы к этой технике откуда? Армия будет как прибалтийские, на арендованной и списанной в НАТО технике? А может вообще, полк морпехов США расквартируют и "Америка з нами"?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 9 November 2015 21: 32 New
                +1
                Quote from the article Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Viktor Muzhenko:
                For the first time in the history of Ukraine, the development of such an important document included foreign experts, in particular the NATO External Relations Office, because among the main directions of development of the domestic army is the implementation of the relevant (NATO) STANDARDS.
                As well as foreign - not sovereign crying - Ukraine’s goals too! fool
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            2. APASUS
              APASUS 9 November 2015 19: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: 79807420129
              They will develop a plan to quickly carry away their legs, and some sort of a post at NATO headquarters, they will sell everything that is possible on the territory of 404, including honor and conscience.

              The plan may remain a plan. Who will allocate money for this reform and development? Here, a default is planned for next month, and there are generally unclear prospects .........
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 9 November 2015 14: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: kepmor
            "перемога на уже не помогёт"

            No matter how much you say too much, the zrad will not go anywhere. smile
            1. maxim1987
              maxim1987 9 November 2015 14: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: Vladimirets
              No matter how much you say too much, the zrad will not go anywhere.


              tse nezalezhnost
            2. maxim1987
              maxim1987 9 November 2015 14: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: Vladimirets
              No matter how much you say too much, the zrad will not go anywhere.


              tse nezalezhnost
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          4. Oman 47
            Oman 47 9 November 2015 23: 57 New
            0
            But the STAR at Ilovaisky is almost wider than the shoulder strap, Pinochet, b. Kakhlyatsky ...
        2. iConst
          iConst 9 November 2015 13: 51 New
          +9
          Quote: Wend
          How pathetic they are. They only do that, hoping for someone. They themselves can’t do anything already.
          - Judging by the reports, Kiev (my opinion) did not refuse a forceful decision to return Donbass.
          Valtsman, the illegal president of Ukraine, is preparing two scenarios: the first is when the wheels of Minsk-2 will turn with a creak and the second when the provocation will be prepared to resume hostilities.

          При этом, я уверен, и Олланд и Меркель не против второго варианта, но только "чтобы комар носа не подточил", когда они не потеряв лица смогут сказать - мы сделали всё, но Россия такая-сякая... и по тексту.
          1. I am Russian
            I am Russian 9 November 2015 18: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: iConst
            Quote: Wend
            How pathetic they are. They only do that, hoping for someone. They themselves can’t do anything already.
            - Judging by the reports, Kiev (my opinion) did not refuse a forceful decision to return Donbass.
            Valtsman, the illegal president of Ukraine, is preparing two scenarios: the first is when the wheels of Minsk-2 will turn with a creak and the second when the provocation will be prepared to resume hostilities.

            При этом, я уверен, и Олланд и Меркель не против второго варианта, но только "чтобы комар носа не подточил", когда они не потеряв лица смогут сказать - мы сделали всё, но Россия такая-сякая... и по тексту.



            Дык Лавров уже сказал, что "Минск-2" будет продолжен на 2016 год.
        3. wow
          wow 9 November 2015 13: 56 New
          +5
          No, why don’t they? Jump, for example, painted fences again. What are you, boiling a robot, a plaque, a fly ...!
        4. Leviton
          Leviton 9 November 2015 14: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Wend
          How pathetic they are. They only do that, hoping for someone. They themselves can’t do anything already. Well, except for the stupid maidans.

          Well, Maidan, too, with the filing and with the active support of Western specialists .....
        5. volot-voin
          volot-voin 9 November 2015 14: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          How pathetic they are. They only do that, hoping for someone. They themselves can’t do anything already.

          It's hard to be a traitor however. Muzhenko’s gaze is gloomy; you cannot escape fate.
        6. krokodil25
          krokodil25 9 November 2015 17: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          How pathetic they are. They only do that, hoping for someone. They themselves can’t do anything already. Well, except for the stupid maidans.

          Yes, and I remember the Maidan, they didn’t organize it, they sold the country for dough sprinkled with dill? !
      2. AlexTires
        AlexTires 9 November 2015 13: 22 New
        +2
        For the fact that by 2020 year
        “not all” citizens of Ukraine will reach ...
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 9 November 2015 13: 28 New
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          When developing the Concept for the development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine before 2020, we will actively use both our own and the best foreign experience.

          There is no longer the Ukrainian Army (and it wasn’t in principle) ... There remained gangs of killers of civilians ..
          1. Temples
            Temples 9 November 2015 13: 35 New
            +3
            They themselves are not zapadlo?
            What kind of warriors are these?
            I can’t name them officers.
            They are like dolls blinking.
            Каплю достоинства и послали бы куда подальше и амерцев и своих "правителей".
            You gave the oath to defend your homeland. So the time has come, and you were blown away ....
          2. kepmor
            kepmor 9 November 2015 14: 15 New
            +2
            Про "банду убийц"-это абсолютно точно! Хотелось бы,чтобы украинцы и в дальнейшем "активно использовали собственный "убойной" опыт",особенно по части "мастерского котловарения(например-Иловайского или Дебальцевского)"! Блин,большие мастера,однако...,пусть матрасников научат!
            Now compare the look of the GUY HERO and the freak general! There’s nothing more to talk about!
          3. Sober
            Sober 9 November 2015 16: 42 New
            +1
            And the topic itself is boring, dreary, like the expression of this face in the photo.
      3. Good me
        Good me 9 November 2015 13: 26 New
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        The new "help". NATO Specialists Prepare Development Concept


        Так чего же пригорюнился,касатик ? Аль "перемоги",закончились ?
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        2. lelikas
          lelikas 9 November 2015 13: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Good Me
          Так чего же пригорюнился,касатик ? Аль "перемоги",закончились ?

          Many stars on uniform, crush an unbroken soul, do not give normal work and interfere with overwork!
          He just realized where he fit ....
          1. Good me
            Good me 9 November 2015 14: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: lelikas
            Many stars on uniform, crush an unbroken soul, do not give normal work and interfere with overwork!
            He just realized where he fit ....


            With stars on uniform, no question. Let changes to svidomye.

            А на счёт того, на что подписался, так это к психиатру,пока ещё не поздно. Потом, от трибунала,в психушке,"откосить" не выйдет...
        3. polkovnik manuch
          polkovnik manuch 9 November 2015 13: 59 New
          +2
          And the general along the way from a deep hangover?
          1. Oman 47
            Oman 47 10 November 2015 00: 02 New
            0
            Interview - on MONDAY, after YESTERDAY ???! drinks
        4. Finches
          Finches 9 November 2015 14: 42 New
          +1
          Just now I’ve taken a closer look, why did he have our stars on shoulder straps ??? Today, this is not a trend in (in) Ukraine. Only clover flowers, cannabis stalks or the notorious dill, which, if my memory remains unchanged, even found the Saxon Shakespeare (Hamlet, the Danish prince) symbolizes flattery, deceit and betrayal !?
          1. Finches
            Finches 9 November 2015 15: 04 New
            +1
            How on a machine in a smartphone words are distorted and you don’t notice! laughing
            Minusit - Muzhenko? laughing
        5. Ganssh
          Ganssh 9 November 2015 21: 01 New
          +2
          1983 - graduated from the Leningrad Higher Combined Arms School (now the St. Petersburg Higher Combined Arms Command School)

          disgrace to expel and erase
          sorry I will say the army word - Man Interfering Society
      4. vovanpain
        vovanpain 9 November 2015 13: 34 New
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        Quote: Now we are free
        B ... MAIDAN STAND FOR SHCHO?!?

        Yes, nobody seems to know the answer to this very question. That's probably for it.
      5. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 9 November 2015 13: 37 New
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      6. demon1978
        demon1978 9 November 2015 13: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Now we are free
        At the same time, it is noted that Ukraine "may be in NATO in a 20-year perspective."

        B ... MAIDAN STAND FOR SHCHO?!?


        But will there be NATO, in this same 20 year term ??? !!! request The fact that the Ruins in its present form will not be is 100 %% yes
      7. GRAY
        GRAY 9 November 2015 13: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: Now we are free
        At the same time, it is noted that Ukraine "may be in NATO in a 20-year perspective."

        B ... MAIDAN STAND FOR SHCHO?!?

        This is when Ukraine, according to Sobakashvilli, reaches the level of development of the times of Yanukovych. lol
        Glory to EuroGabon!
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: GRAY
          Glory to EuroGabon!



          Glorious lad ... Is this a double of Gunpowder ???
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 9 November 2015 14: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: veksha50
            Glorious lad ... Is this a double of Gunpowder ???

            This is his mass-dimensional layout. I went to Europe. lol
      8. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 9 November 2015 14: 29 New
        +2
        Майдан стоял за право на обещания "не только лишь для всех". lol
      9. Maxom75
        Maxom75 9 November 2015 15: 11 New
        +2
        Permog will probably be like Katz? Katz always offered to give up.))) Https://youtu.be/N0r2nQdpM58?t=1
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      12. GSH-18
        GSH-18 9 November 2015 21: 24 New
        +1
        Новая "перемога". NATO Specialists Prepare Development Concept

        Seamlessly blending into zrada! lol
      13. proletarian
        proletarian 9 November 2015 23: 25 New
        +1
        Yak for sho, that for the new rope !!!
    2. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 9 November 2015 13: 23 New
      +2
      I don’t know, is it true .... but ... the bitch is a bitch death ....
    3. Finches
      Finches 9 November 2015 13: 29 New
      +7
      Клоун этот Муженко, а ещё офицер Советской армии!Всем давно и понятно, что самый лучший боевой опыт в современной истории есть только у одной страны-СССР и её преемницы России, после грандиозной по размаху ВОВ и "принуждения к миру" Квантунской армии...Все остальное, что было в современной истории человечества, это так, пусть и кровавые, но обычные дворовые разборки и не более! А на Западе-военный бюджет направлен на обогащения определённой кучки лиц, а не на создание реальной и боеспособной армии-по этому пути и Россия пошла и только память о Войне остановило общий развал Вооружённых Сил!
      Once again I will express my opinion about Ukraine, playfully, with the dialogue of the heroes of modern comedy:
      "-Надо её (Украину) кончать!
      - We must seek consensus!
      - Найти консенсус и ногами, его, ногами....!"

      I wonder how Muzhenko lives with bloody boys in his eyes ...?
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 9 November 2015 14: 33 New
        +2
        Interestingly, in the continuation of the topic, will they switch to NATO standards (will they convince you to switch?)?
        Вот это будет уже точно "и смех, и грех".
        За счет госбюджета, конечно. Американские друзья выдадут кредиты на закупку у, опять таки, американских друзей подержанной техники, вооружения и снаряжения. Что очень поможет американской армии избавиться от устареших образцов, + постоянно продавать боеприпасы, + постоянная оплата консультантов и инструкторов ЧВК, + постоянная продажа расходников на технику и т.д. Вобщем, как обычно, поставят в зависимость, как все НАТО. "Подсадят на НАТО", так сказать.
        This is nothing personal, just a business.
        Oh yes! Securing an American loan - the remnants of state property and land.
        This is a business !!! And they added pseudo-money, and opened a second-hand second-hand, and the state assets took their hands in full profit, and they will have more interest from the loan.
        How can you be such a sucker?
        Or, do not care logic and common sense, the main thing is not like the Russians?
        Georgians did not help.
        The strength of Russian weapons and spirit is beyond competition! This is historically the case.
        Be you even thrice NATO ...
    4. GRAY
      GRAY 9 November 2015 13: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: viktorrymar
      Maxim Volokh, who cynically ridiculed the crash of the Russian A-321, was killed in his own apartment, Ukrainian media reported.

      There was such infa last week - it turned out to be a fake. Although this is possible in principle, its address can easily be found on various resources.
    5. kepmor
      kepmor 9 November 2015 13: 41 New
      +2
      Justice has triumphed!
    6. corporal
      corporal 9 November 2015 13: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: viktorrymar
      The infamous Ukrainian blogger Maxim Volokh, who cynically ridiculed the crash of the Russian A-321, was killed in his own apartment,

      Already refuted. It's a pity. am
    7. roskot
      roskot 9 November 2015 14: 00 New
      +1
      Dog canine death.
    8. veksha50
      veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: viktorrymar
      Maybe someone heard that? : The infamous Ukrainian blogger Maxim Volokh, who cynically ridiculed the crash of the Russian A-321, was killed in his own apartment, Ukrainian media reported



      Устаревшие данные... Он уже, практически и суток не прожив после своего "выступления", почил в бозе...

      PS Do not wish evil to your neighbor ...
    9. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 9 November 2015 14: 47 New
      +2
      I heard. And for a long time, a couple of days after the crash and comments, respectively. It seems they killed in their own apartment, of. Authorities, do not comment.
    10. marlin1203
      marlin1203 9 November 2015 18: 49 New
      +1
      Why are the eyes of the army general like a sad spaniel?
    11. SAG
      SAG 9 November 2015 23: 30 New
      0
      There is no such news on your link. minus
  2. avt
    avt 9 November 2015 13: 17 New
    +8
    ,,Пропал дом !" laughing But first, the steam heating will be turned off. They don’t know about it - they prudently banned Bulgakov Ruins in the territory and poke quietly past the toilet. In general, the news is good - considering how the US prepared the armies of Afghanistan and Iraq, one can imagine what will happen at the exit.
  3. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 9 November 2015 13: 19 New
    10
    " внедрение соответствующих (натовских) стандартов. "
    Purchase of junk unnecessary in NATO countries?
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Tim Coconuts
      Purchase of junk unnecessary in NATO countries?



      Vparivanie junk for loans issued ... Ukraine for thousands of years will not pay ...
  4. sannych
    sannych 9 November 2015 13: 19 New
    +6
    The optimists, however, are hidden, right up to 2020 hoping to exist. The revolution of nonsense, apparently, is to attract foreigners in all areas of the state.
  5. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 9 November 2015 13: 21 New
    +5
    Well Ukrainians are optimists, right up to 2020 make a guess ....

    I hope the head of Gazprom has a different opinion.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 9 November 2015 13: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Well Ukrainians are optimists, right up to 2020 make a guess ....

      I hope the head of Gazprom has a different opinion.

      Good until 2120 years do not plan
  6. AlexTires
    AlexTires 9 November 2015 13: 23 New
    +7
    Very bad with people in Ukraine.
    Either ministers are imported, then customs officers, now they have reached the specialists of the NATO liaison office. fool
  7. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 9 November 2015 13: 24 New
    16
    implementation of relevant (NATO) standards.
    In whom to introduce there, it’s a ruin
  8. Wolverine
    Wolverine 9 November 2015 13: 24 New
    +3
    When developing the Concept for the development of the Armed Forces of Ukraine until 2020

    What the hell are up to 2020 years, optimists, you don’t know what will happen to them tomorrow, here are the sick ...
    1. Good me
      Good me 9 November 2015 13: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Wolverine
      What the hell are up to 2020 years, optimists, you don’t know what will happen to them tomorrow, here are the sick ...


      Им,западные кураторы, наобещали, что всё будет "пучком"... И Юкрайна станет единым штатом,и клятых, в битве на Урале одолеют...
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 9 November 2015 13: 28 New
    +4
    Да они кроме как воровать уже ничего не умеют , заграница им поможет "концепцию" замутить . В аккурат к декабрю 19-го сочинять закончат , дадут кредит , тут же его заберут в счёт оплаты разработки новой "контрацепции" ... А хотя чего это я разогнался , действительно , эти убогие и до 17-го не доживут , кажись .
  10. v1tz
    v1tz 9 November 2015 13: 30 New
    +1
    Who would doubt why they needed the territory of Ukraine to implement the military concept of the United States ...
  11. alex-cn
    alex-cn 9 November 2015 13: 30 New
    +2
    In vain you guys - the Europeans will make the same clumsy creature out of 404 armies as the European armies. Who will feel bad from this?
  12. tank64rus
    tank64rus 9 November 2015 13: 31 New
    +2
    Well, how will it be necessary to kiss the boot of NATO at a meeting of military personnel. What a dirty trick this is. NATO is our enemy, has been and will be. Tales of peaceful appointment leave patients to ward number 6. Well, once 300 million. Allocated war in the Donbass will continue, and Mindogovory will be in the bin.
  13. Kibl
    Kibl 9 November 2015 13: 33 New
    +2
    Why are you killed, Vityok! Why are you sitting there at the General Staff? You haven’t needed anybody for a long time and all the squeals of Parasha that the dill army is in the top five of Europe’s strongest arimies went to manure !!!
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 9 November 2015 13: 39 New
    +1
    And the look of the maydanut general is unclear. They omitted foreign experts. For the first time. The main thing to get used to. Further it will be easier and the view will be clarified according to NATO standards. Take courage, Muzhenko.
  15. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 9 November 2015 13: 40 New
    +4
    Я одного понять не могу - а почему этот "начальник Генерального штаба ВСУ" (оказывается и такое есть?) Виктор Муженко носит на погонах звезды? Это же наследие СССР/России! Пускай меняют на зрезубцы там или галушки или бутылки с горилкой (этот знак отличия может носить только Парашенка)
    A little story about the stars:
    "21 апреля 1917 года военный и морской министр А. Гучков помещает пятиконечную звездочку на околышки фуражек моряков – прямо над якорем.
    Однако наиболее ярко "марсова звезда' зарекомендовала себя после другой революции – Великой Октябрьской. Не успело молодое советское правительство начать формировать Красную армию, как возникла насущная необходимость в новой символике. Это было в немалой степени вызвано тем, что в пожаре Гражданской войны противоборствующие стороны были зачастую одеты в одежду одного и того же покроя и в бою нелегко было отличить чужих от своих.
    So in the symbolism of the Land of Soviets the famous red five-pointed star first appears.
    Официально символ под названием "марсова звезда с плугом и молотом" был утвержден приказом Л. Троцкого от 7 мая 1918 г. Там же было сказано следующее: "Красноармейский значок есть принадлежность лиц, состоящих на службе в войсках Красной армии. Лицам, не состоящим на службе в составе Красной армии, указанные знаки предлагается немедленно снять. За неисполнение сего приказа виновные будут преданы суду военного трибунала"
    1. Good me
      Good me 9 November 2015 14: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Corsair0304
      So in the symbolism of the Land of Soviets the famous red five-pointed star first appears.


      On the legendary Budenovka, a five-pointed red star, at the beginning with a PLOW and a HAMMER, and later with a SICKLE and a HAMMER, was placed in the center of a five-pointed star sewn in front of the visor with a diameter of the base circle 8,8 cm of cloth, the color of which depended on the type of troops (forces).

      By order of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic No. 628 of 8 on April 1919, six cloth colors were established for the insignia of the branches of the armed forces (forces), which also relied on tight-fitting helmet buttons and a sewn-in star: for the infantry - raspberry, for cavalry - blue, for artillery - orange, for aviation - blue, for engineering troops - black, for border troops (which during this period were also part of the Red Army) - green. The diameter of the base circumference of the patch star has been increased to 10,5 cm.
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 9 November 2015 15: 57 New
      +2
      Я одного понять не могу - а почему этот "начальник Генерального штаба ВСУ" (оказывается и такое есть?) Виктор Муженко носит на погонах звезды? Это же наследие СССР/России!

      To be precise, the five-pointed stars on epaulettes, Russia copied from France under Nicholas 1. And now stars are used in many armies of the world. For example, these are insignia of American generals.
  16. interceptor58
    interceptor58 9 November 2015 13: 41 New
    0
    And what, these unfinished stars on uniform have not yet been canceled?
    1. sannych
      sannych 9 November 2015 13: 49 New
      +8
      Sometimes a comma, put in the right place, dramatically changes the meaning of the statement (or of the question).
  17. pts-m
    pts-m 9 November 2015 13: 43 New
    +1
    if they themselves can’t develop a concept, then there’s a kind of horseradish of wines there. Probably for ... decorating the place ... they could be found more photogenic.
  18. Mordan
    Mordan 9 November 2015 13: 44 New
    +1
    one thought warms my soul - Ukraine is doomed to die very dramatically. And millions of stupid ukrov are not yet aware of this.
  19. Mordan
    Mordan 9 November 2015 13: 45 New
    +3
    It is curious that the Ukrainian word "lads" came from the Polish "claps", that is, rural slaves. For many centuries, the lands of present-day Western Ukraine belonged to the Commonwealth. In Lviv and other cities lived Poles, Jews, Armenians. The place for Ukrainians was only a rural hut, only work in the farmyard and field.
  20. Russia
    Russia 9 November 2015 13: 47 New
    +1
    NATO Specialists Prepare Development Concept

    What can I say!
    Свои мозги "отмайданили", думают у чужих "умом" разжиться. А эти, чужие мозги-то, только о своей выгоде пекутся. На то они и "Чужие" (фильм). Сожрут и не подавятся.
  21. shinobi
    shinobi 9 November 2015 13: 50 New
    +2
    Complete and finally defeated insanity in a single country. NATO is trying to learn from our experience, it itself is not able to quickly mobilize troops, but these are there too. The full fox is shorter.
  22. bmv04636
    bmv04636 9 November 2015 13: 56 New
    -2
    I don’t understand why there are still stars and not daisies, so what is this really a diversion? laughing
  23. afrikanez
    afrikanez 9 November 2015 13: 59 New
    +1
    the development of such an important document included foreign experts, in particular the NATO External Relations Office,
    Well, if that is so, then we can safely say that Ukraine went on hand! (NATO-28 has members) laughing
  24. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 9 November 2015 14: 08 New
    +3
    Muzhenko has already broken along the way, the view is not healthy. Looks like things are not just going bad, but absolutely ...., or maybe he just started to realize that he was sitting on that cart, but he was afraid to jump on the go.
  25. aibolit72
    aibolit72 9 November 2015 14: 15 New
    +5
    The new electronic warfare has already entered the troops.
  26. veksha50
    veksha50 9 November 2015 14: 17 New
    +1
    "the concept of development of the armed forces of Ukraine for the period until 2020"...

    And you believe that, stupid ...
  27. roskot
    roskot 9 November 2015 14: 34 New
    +2
    As they say. With whom you lead, you will receive those standards. Do you need it?
  28. Neophyte
    Neophyte 9 November 2015 14: 41 New
    +2
    Пора мазать пятки салом и прекратить мечтать о "великой армии"!Будущего у этого псевдо-государства НЕТ и это пора признать укровоякам!
  29. vobels
    vobels 9 November 2015 14: 54 New
    +2
    [/ quote] Well, if so, then we can safely say that Ukraine went on hand! (NATO has 28 members) laughing[/ Quote]
    Yes, after 28 members do not give her a long time ...
  30. slaw14
    slaw14 9 November 2015 14: 56 New
    +3
    States have a training mania. Already taken for ...
    1. RUSOIVAN
      RUSOIVAN 9 November 2015 15: 37 New
      +5
      Barak Huseynovich or what?
  31. LukaSaraev
    LukaSaraev 9 November 2015 15: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: veksha50
    Ukraine for thousands of years will not pay ...


    And who said. what are they going to pay? And is there already Ukraine? External management. There, business nuland rules everything.
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 November 2015 15: 29 New
    +2
    Well, actually, if Ukraine seeks to become a member of NATO,
    then this approach can be considered the most reasonable.
    Since Ukraine now has practically no army,
    then it’s worth building the NATO structure from scratch.
    And these are weapons, training, communications and interaction with other NATO members.
    It must be admitted that Ukraine, as a friendly state, we have lost forever.
    And to treat it stands exclusively as a neutral-hostile (so far neutral) state.
    Like how to Poland ...
    And I think that soon the full-fledged construction of the demarcation line will begin on our side.
    And this will certainly not be the disgrace that Yatsenyuk is building.
  33. _my opinion
    _my opinion 9 November 2015 16: 15 New
    +2
    Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Viktor Muzhenko announced that foreign experts have joined in the creation of program strategic documents.

    ... one illusion remained from the state ... APU is at war with its people ...
    what kind of words I forgot - programmatic strategic documents ... right up to 2020 I waved ...
    the ride continues ...
  34. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 9 November 2015 16: 36 New
    +3
    Теперь будут Украине впаривать системы ПВО "Пэтриот", старые танки Абрамс, и F-16-е.
  35. pvv113
    pvv113 9 November 2015 18: 36 New
    +1
    NATO Specialists Prepare Development Concept

    Бегло взглянул на заголовок - показалось не "концепция развития ВСУ", а "контрацепция развития ВСУ". Почему-то не удивился hi
  36. atamankko
    atamankko 9 November 2015 19: 23 New
    +2
    A dying state cannot have a living Army.
  37. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 9 November 2015 20: 54 New
    +1
    foreign specialists, in particular external relations office NATO, after all, among the main directions of development of the domestic army are implementation of relevant (NATO) standards.
    And what will they (the office of external relations) develop for them ??? What are these NATO standards? How to standardly bark at Russia or what?
    1. Oman 47
      Oman 47 10 November 2015 00: 20 New
      0
      EXTERNAL OFFICE OFFICE (in the Russian sense of this phrase) ...
  38. Baloo
    Baloo 9 November 2015 21: 02 New
    +1
    Durkain's NATO standard, it's cooler than the Dusoli circus. We will see. Who pays for the performance? wassat
  39. Good cat
    Good cat 9 November 2015 22: 07 New
    +2
    Found something to brag about, dunce!
  40. Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 9 November 2015 22: 41 New
    0
    face of an aging handover that has nothing to lose
  41. natakor1949
    natakor1949 9 November 2015 22: 53 New
    0
    "... до нато, судя по срокам, дотянут "не только лишь все" граждане окраины..." Этой фразой сказано всё.
  42. mamont5
    mamont5 10 November 2015 07: 02 New
    0
    Эти "независимые" не скрывая примеряют на шею западное ярмо, да еще и гордятся этим.