Syrian pilot: extremists have MANPADS capable of hitting targets at altitudes up to 4,5 km

The Islamists in Syria have MANPADS that can hit targets at altitudes up to 4,5 km, reports RIA News a message from a representative of the Hama airbase.

Militants on the captured aircraft.

“We know that the militants have Stinger complexes and some others, including those made in China, which they seized from our military. I have to admit that we lose quite a lot of airplanes from their attacks, ”said the source.

“The minimum height at which to fly safely is 4,5 kilometers,” he noted. “But often our pilots are reduced to dangerous heights in order to deliver more accurate strikes so that the civilian infrastructure does not suffer and the objects of the terrorists are hit.”

The representative of the base, as an example, spoke about the MiG-21, shot down on November 4: “A plane lowered to a dangerous height was shot down from an anti-aircraft gunner unit in the province of Hama, the pilot was injured. Because of his injuries, the pilot was afraid to eject, in addition, at that moment he was over the territory of the militants. He managed to reach the territory controlled by the army. However, the plane crashed. We found his wreckage and the body of the pilot. "

The Hama airbase is located in the suburb of the city of the same name (central part of Syria) and is of strategic importance. Militants have periodically tried to seize it, the base territory is often subjected to shelling. All in all, 15 military airfields in Syria, of which five are currently controlled by the Islamists.

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[avvg]

In a war, as in a war, it is not necessary to decrease less than 4,5 km so that civilian infrastructure is not affected.

[Good me]

Quote: avvg

in war as in war, no need to decline

These are forced reductions caused by the inefficiency of old sighting systems and outdated destruction systems ...
And no matter how, but the dedication of the Syrian pilots, at the cost of life ready to destroy the enemy, you can only admire.

And besides admiration, our aviation experts should think about the possibility of delivering old types of aircraft to Syria, but with modernized systems ...

After all, there are also examples of modernization, both ours: MiG 21-93, and Israeli MiG 21-2000

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

So ours do not fall either, on the video presented by the MOs are probably the most successful, and even those are rather oblique.

[NordUral]

And how do you determine this by such and such a video, but still not knowing the purpose? On the cross?

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

And how do we determine that something specific was destroyed ??? Go down to the ground and look ??

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

And how do we determine that something specific was destroyed ??? Go down to the ground and look ??

So, Dear Vlad, moreover, according to the rules of the commission, with the preparation of the act of the commission, in the prescribed form.
The army has strict reporting, colleague.

[Oman 47]

Acts approved by the commission, headed by Lieutenant General Vertipupkin A.Yu.?
According to the established MO RF # 132-MUU * D-AK-537-639-821AY?

[0255]

Quote: Good I

to think of our aviation specialists about the possibility of supplying to Syria old types of aircraft, but with modernized systems ...

After all, there are also examples of modernization, both ours: MiG 21-93, and Israeli MiG 21-2000

The idea may be a good one, but did the maintainable old MiG-21 or MiG-23 remain in the Russian Federation? Which do not look like in these photos:


You can recall how in the Chechen war they wanted to restore the MiG-27, but did not find a single side that could be returned to service.

[Good me]

Quote: 0255

The idea may be a good one, but did the maintainable old MiG-21 or MiG-23 remain in the Russian Federation? Which do not look like in these photos:

What can I say ... Had, not saved ...

[alekc73]

Much to our regret in Russia, hundreds of Mig-23 and Mig-27s in the early nineties in excellent flight condition were transferred to storage bases. In the absence of money, they brought them to the point. Now these planes could be sold to the Syrians in exchange for oil. "Thank you EBN"

[avt]

Quote: Good Me

And besides admiration, our aviation experts should think about the possibility of delivering old types of aircraft to Syria, but with modernized systems ...

Do they exist? Well, old planes mastered by the Syrians? Secondly - modernization is a good thing, but modernizing the MiG-21, but for work on the ground ???? Another thing is interesting - there are "Rooks" in storage, that's why they don't transfer Syrians to them? Iraq was given them, but why not Assad's?

Quote: 0255

You can recall how in the Chechen war they wanted to restore the MiG-27

Yes, the same picture is with the "in storage" Su-17, but the Syrians do not have enough of it, they know it under the export name Su-22.

[GRAY]

Quote: Good Me

This is a forced decline

Syrian aviation is operating.

[mvg]

Still, to the dedication of a drop of brains and cold calculation .. And there would be no need to be Alexander Matrosov. A front-line fighter "plows" the ground on the front line .. The pilot is a valuable specimen of the arap, we must take care of him .. Syria has a Su-22 (17), Su-24 .. That's who should work on the ground .. There are cutlets, chopsticks for sushi - unhealthy.

[Good me]

Quote: mvg

Still, to the dedication of a drop of brains and cold calculation .. And there would be no need to be Alexander Matrosov. A front-line fighter "plows" the ground on the front line .. The pilot is a valuable specimen of the arap, we must take care of him .. Syria has a Su-22 (17), Su-24 .. That's who should work on the ground .. There are cutlets, chopsticks for sushi - unhealthy.

That's right, but there is a catastrophic lack of airplanes or pilots.
Not from a good life, MiGs "plow the land" ...

[Alex_Rarog]

You also compared the su34 and su 25 with the twink21, not protection not maneuverability ...

[Good me]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

You also compared the su34 and su 25 with the twink21, not protection not maneuverability ...

This is WHO, WHAT is not there?

If we are talking about the MiG-21, then with the protection of the cockpit, he, like most front-line fighters, really is not very. And with maneuverability ...

21st, and now will give odds to some "young" .

And the Su-34, as for a fighter-bomber, is very "rolling", and is reasonably well protected

[creak]

Quote: Good Me

... And with maneuverability ... 21st, and now will give odds to some "young"

Not surprising, because the 21st was originally created as an interceptor for the country's air defense aviation. And accordingly, from the weapons he carried only two air-to-air missiles, it was believed that this was enough to hit the target ...
However, over time, life made its own adjustments and cannon weapons were also mounted on it.

[Lord of the Sith]

By the way, I noticed that the numbers "6000 meters" were mentioned in the reports of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and before they always spoke of 5000 meters.

[Kunar]

Looks like the adversary also has something in the storeroom (Or fear has big eyes. Although in a moment -21 and red-ey or a needle would be enough.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

By the way, I noticed that the numbers "6000 meters" were mentioned in the reports of the Russian Ministry of Defense, and before they always spoke of 5000 meters.

starstreak
Starstreak HVM rocket has a length of 1,37 m and a maximum case diameter of 130 mm. The weight of the transport and launch container with a missile is about 14 kg. Swept striking elements with a length of 45 cm and a diameter of 2 cm are equipped with small stabilizers and steering wheels. The total mass of the three miniature warheads mounted on the striking elements is about 900. The Starstreak SAM system can hit targets at ranges up to 6 km and altitudes up to 5 km.

as they say - God saves the safe ...

[w3554152]

Quote: avvg

In a war, as in a war, it is not necessary to decrease less than 4,5 km so that civilian infrastructure is not affected.

Take a pencil and paper and urgently write to the General Staff to give this to TsU pilots.

[mvg]

Idiot. It’s better to sit at the computer yourself, find guogle, (if you can) and dial ... I will buy brains .. I will do the transplant myself .. I can’t guarantee survival, but the train of thought is correct. And give advice to yourself, so interesting .. and more honest

[NordUral]

No, this cannot be done, then the army will lose, the people will oppose it. Here we need Russian technical assistance.

[igor.borov775]

Sure. So a man of a foreign country can reason. For example, the USA. And these are the pilots of their people and they know very well that they are bombing and why. You read what they are talking about again. This is not someone else’s territory but your own and they try to reduce the destruction of the enemy as accurately as possible without destroying everything.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

a little about the Syrian pilots from RT ...

[max702]

It looks like it's time to start production of the SU-25 on a new basis (it is very desirable with night equipment) to wait for a new attack aircraft for a long time and it will be complex, expensive, and raw .. Other types of aircraft with such databases are less efficient, and most importantly, roads, require complex maintenance and support. ... The SU-25 in a large number is just what you need, it will not be difficult for local pilots to master it, and perhaps there is a reason to remember the IL-28 with more modern electronics, there was an article on VO that this aircraft was easy to learn and maintain , is very technological, and therefore cheap, which in the light of ever-expanding conflicts is of great importance, and the massive saturation of the troops will give exactly the necessary air support. You say it's expensive to chase every Toyota in SU-34? Here you are, there is a device for cheaper .. The sky from the Air Force "partners" was closed, and with MANPADS of babakhs, you can fight with tactics and appropriate equipment, there seems to be progress in this direction.

[mvg]

Our former Soviet republics have a bunch, just a "flock" of Rooks .. You can bring it up to the Su-25M variant. Rook (new) costs 7-9 million tugriks, modernization 1 million, and it is capable of using "smart" weapons even at night .. 34 times cheaper than the Su-10 .. Already 100 pieces can be found ... A 100 "Rook" Ikoff "can really erase to the" lunar landscape "and Aleppo and Raqqa .. And more examples will not be needed ...
PS: If you hit - then with all your might, and, until you wake up, finish off ... Strengthen the grouping. Beat mercilessly, let these "greens" and "gays" yell ... Winners are not judged .. if there are no bases, and we have no bases, use Iran ...

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: avvg

In a war, as in a war, it is not necessary to decrease less than 4,5 km so that civilian infrastructure is not affected.

Of course not, Dear colleague. We need to change the tactics of combat use of army aviation! And that’s it. The question is cleared.

[Maxom75]

The point is to save what the militants then use? They are sparing nothing.

[cniza]

This is not a secret and it is clear how they got there.

[Smoked]

Well, our "partners" the world's poets are still the same, say the Saudis and co, supply abundantly with ATGMs, but the militants have enough MANPADS from Libya and from the Syrian warehouses themselves.

[Darkoff]

In general, it was surprising that there were still no reports of Islamists using MANPADS.
With their capital and international support, a bald trait could have been acquired for a long time.

[Mera joota]

Quote: DarkOFF

In general, it was surprising that there were still no reports of Islamists using MANPADS.

What was captured in warehouses has been used for a long time, now if it remains, then obviously there are only a few.

[Nyrobsky]

Yes everyone knows that they know that we know

[Same lech]

“We know that the militants have Stinger complexes and some others, including those made in China, which they seized from our military.

Boggling ... they couldn’t blow up warehouses or something ... now these portable air defense missiles are walking all over the region wandering from country to country, creating a threat to all aircraft.

[Black Colonel]

There may be MANPADS from Libya and Iraq.

[Bobxnumx]

The United States, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the like actively supply weapons to extremists. Therefore, Russia actively deployed active suppression systems and try to fly planes at 5000 m.

[Black Colonel]

Skill, electronic warfare and luck on the side of pilots and helicopter pilots. I wish ALL pilots to return to their home base alive and healthy in their aircraft.

[rotmistr60]

It was strange to expect that militants would not have MANPADS. Moreover, the Americans made it clear (Kerry's statement) that they would help the terrorists in this.

which they captured from our military

And the Syrians need to strictly monitor their military property.

[iliitchitch]

At 4.5 km from MANPADS, even if it is super modern, it is problematic to hit a fighter. It’s alarming for helicopter pilots, and our SU-25’s work there is risky. Good luck to the guys.

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: iliitch

At 4.5 km from MANPADS, even if it is super modern, it is problematic to hit a fighter. It’s alarming for helicopter pilots, and our SU-25’s work there is risky. Good luck to the guys.

If there SU-25CM3, then you can even not worry a little bit. Although better to perebdet than nedoddit))

[Vikxnumx]

Good luck to the flyers!
And the "gods of war" to work more accurately and efficiently!

[veksha50]

"The Islamists in Syria have MANPADS that can hit targets at an altitude of 4,5 km" ...

Hmm ... Strange ... I thought that our Russian Verba "takes" up to 4,5 km, and the American Stinger - up to 4,0 km ... If not right - correct, who knows ...

But in general, in order to have less opportunities to work with MANPADS, it is necessary to develop ground operations and destroy manpower, first of all ...

[Kunar]

Not 4 km, but 3,5 km, and 3,5 is the ideal ... Confidently for low-speed targets 0,5-3,5 km, for high-speed tandem shot at an altitude of 2,5-3,0 at a distance from 0,5 "in the forehead" and 5,5 km maximum when shooting at the "dogon". So it seems like they wrote. Although this is a stinger with FIM-92

[Engineer]

What nonsense the author writes: no foreign MANPADS has such a height of defeat. The Chinese, those that shot down the Mi-35 in Iraq, and that the Islamists have, also cannot strike at such heights. The only MANPADS operating at such altitudes is the Verba 9K333.

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

Quote: DarkOFF

In general, it was surprising that there were still no reports of Islamists using MANPADS.
With their capital and international support, a bald trait could have been acquired for a long time.

In Afghanistan, mattress makers stocked the Taliban with Stingirs, and then ransomed them at wild prices, when the frostbitten spooks began to shoot down the aircraft of their owners.

[roskot]

Yes, it’s hard and dangerous, but cockroaches must be defeated. Good luck to the Syrian pilots and Assad's army. Victory will be yours.

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: jarome

I think that not every strike is simply recorded by drones. This is how many they need to have at Hmeimim? !!
There are very accurate shots, and there are misfires.
But we regret the bombs on Dushar. Sometimes you just want to add a couple.
From the latter, the bridge in Raqqa, they hit it for sure, but only one lane became "full of holes", the other is in order.
Why was it not to bomb the bridge so that only pillars remained of it? Yes, even ordinary fabami ....

Even from Chechnya, there are still photos taken during the bombing from Su-24. The drying itself recorded the results.

[kartalovkolya]

And no one promised a "easy walk" in Syria! A cornered beast is doubly dangerous and you need to approach it with even greater caution! And as for the Syrian pilots, honor and praise to them, but it would not hurt to "throw" dozens or two new aircraft for them, and then you look and things will "argue" more fun! And it would not be bad if the "screams" of General Breedlove, from NATO, about the "bubble of 600 km.", Turned out to be the "bitter" truth for ISIS and its patrons!

[Cynic]

It’s not news for a long time, last year there were pictures of Libyan and Iraqi Arrows among bandits.

[Old26]

Quote: avt

Another thing is interesting - there are "Rooks" in storage

Probably due to the fact that until a certain time they did not really need them. Let's just say that their main enemy was in the air (Israeli Air Force), and the work on the ground was of a secondary nature.

Quote: avt

Yes, the same picture is with the "in storage" Su-17, but the Syrians do not have enough of it, they know it under the export name Su-22.

According to the data for 2014, they had 40 SU-22 and 20 SU-24

Quote: max702

there is reason to recall the IL-28 with more modern electronics

You still remember the IL-2 ... Start production of IL-28 - it is cheaper to create and start production of new attack aircraft

Quote: mvg

And 100 "Grach'ikoff" will actually be able to erase to the "lunar landscape" and Aleppo and Raqqa .. And no more examples will be needed ...

And most importantly, with all the inhabitants. See how many inhabitants there were in Aleppo before the war. even if 10% is left there now, it’s a hundred or two thousand. Do you propose to erase them into moon dust? So after such advice, Assad, even with our help, will not last a month. Even those who are not fighting now will take the side of the militants

Quote: Smoked

Well, our "partners" the world's poets are still the same, say the Saudis and co, supply abundantly with ATGMs, but the militants have enough MANPADS from Libya and from the Syrian warehouses themselves.

Only ours there are 4 types. Arrows 2 and 3, Needle and Needle-S ...

[RUSIVAN]

Of course, I understand everything, but then where are our vaunted EWs (Vitebsk, Mercury, Lever, Rubella) when using which all guided missiles should be diverted to the side or destroyed on approach ... I believe that all of this is working for us, but it’s just that a lot has been said about it lately, but in fact no one talks about their use or possible use., so the question arises is bluff or reality.

[Old26]

Quote: RUSIVAN

Of course, I understand everything, but then where are our vaunted EWs (Vitebsk, Mercury, Lever, Rubella) when using which all guided missiles should be diverted to the side or destroyed on approach ... I believe that all of this is working for us, but it’s just that a lot has been said about it lately, but in fact no one talks about their use or possible use., so the question arises is bluff or reality.

Do not understand where the vaunted Vitebsk, Mercury, Lever, Rubella? And now we have a new national fun. A new system appears, no matter EW or rocket or plane. And then they begin to publicize it.
Here we have a radio-electronic intelligence complex (RER) combined with an active jamming station. Designed to protect the aircraft from anti-aircraft and aircraft missiles. So the journalists made him a child prodigy, capable of jamming everything and everyone. And the writers do not think about what dimensions the station should have, what energy consumption ...

There is a station for suppressing radio fuses of shells and also plus VHF channels. The question immediately becomes. AND WHY IT IS NOT IN SYRIA? And there are two oncoming. Are you sure not? This is a local application system; it won’t cover half the world, as our media sometimes write. And the second question. If not, is she even needed there?

Or do we have a system (station) of an electronic jamming station / unified ground-based interference module designed to cover objects from aircraft radars such as AWACS radars. Is she there or not? Even if not, is there a need for it? The same question is not asked.

There is an EW station, developed by order of the Strategic Missile Forces. They also reproduce why not in Syria. There are aircraft protection stations. There is probably something, but of them, they again make a prodigy in the media. They say everything is jamming. But how then does our WTO work - the media is not interested in this issue

Well, I do not mention CALIBER. Some especially zealous to them, i.e. missiles designed to destroy stationary targets are going to sink ships, and at a distance of 1500-2500 km