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Where did the double-headed eagles "fly" to the Russian coats of arms

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The double-headed eagle is a fantastic coat of arms, which is a proud bird with two heads turned to the right and left sides. This heraldic symbol was actively used throughout storieswhile continuing to live in the current realities, he is present on the emblems and flags of modern states. In Russia, this image has a special meaning. Double-headed eagle is used on the coat of arms, presidential standard, flags and emblems of federal agencies, coins, awards. But only the civilian component of the use of this image is not limited. In our country, the double-headed eagle is also the official emblem of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.


The official emblem of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is the image of a golden double-headed eagle with outspread wings. In the right paw an eagle holds a sword, in the left paw - a laurel wreath. On the chest of the double-headed eagle there is a shield crowned with a crown. On the shield in the field of red color the horseman is located, spearing the dragon. In this case, the double-headed eagle is a military heraldic sign that can be used to establish the belonging of military personnel, military equipment and other property to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The symbol is fairly common. Currently, in addition to Russia, the double-headed eagle is the official emblem of the armed forces of Serbia, Montenegro and Albania.

Emblem of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation


The image of this emblem is placed in the order determined by the Russian Ministry of Defense on:

1. military banners (standards) of military units;
2. flags (flags) and pennants of ships from the Russian Navy;
3. flags of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation;
4. flags (standards) of officials of the Ministry of Defense of Russia;
5. insignia and insignia of servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation;
6. Award weapons.

Despite the fact that, as the emblem of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, it is placed on many army objects and objects, its military component has not been studied well enough and is little known. Scientists have not approached this issue seriously. In the Soviet years, these studies were irrelevant for ideological reasons, and not much time has passed since the revival of this emblem in modern Russia. It is known that the first images of the double-headed eagle came from the East. But the question of how and in what capacity this symbol arose was hardly worked out.

Presumably, the appearance of this symbol is connected with the rather mysterious civilization of ancient Sumer (3-4 thousands of years before Christ), where this symbol supposedly had a religious meaning, symbolizing God. The most ancient image of a double-headed eagle at this time is attributed to the 13th century BC. The image was found during the excavations Hattusy - the capital of the Hittite kingdom. It was a double-headed eagle with outstretched wings, in his paws he held two birds with one stone. The image was placed on a cylindrical seal. This symbol was also found on the walls of monumental buildings of other cities belonging to the Hittite civilization.

Image of the double-headed eagle of the Hittite kingdom


Thus, we can say that this symbol has existed for several millennia, it was known long before the advent of Christianity. In this case, in some cases, the double-headed eagle symbolized a huge military force. For example, there are references to it in the ancient texts of Hinduism, where it was known as Gandberunda (“ganda” is strong, “berunda” is two-headed). For example, in the Hindu religious text "Vishnu Purana" it was said that the god Vishnu turned into Gundberrund when he needed fantastic power. In each of their paws, the double-headed eagle easily lifted a lion or an elephant into the sky. Vishnu was called to protect the order of the universe. For this reason, he appears as a warrior who accomplishes feats for the benefit of the oppressed and oppressed. He played a crucial role in the battle of the gods and asuras. The image of Gundaberundy is used in Indian military symbolism, for example, it was on the coat of arms of the destroyer Mysore.

Gradually, the idea of ​​this emblem spread to countries and regions neighboring India. Here they were also interpreted as symbols of higher authority and military power. An example of such an interpretation of the image is the acculturation of the two-headed eagle in the rather militant Seljuk empire, in which he personified Allah or the Sultan. At the same time, acculturation of the symbol in the form of a two-headed eagle in the Byzantine Empire bore the imprint of Christianity. In the 6th-9th centuries, the emperor of Byzantium began to be worshiped along with God. Thus, in the mentality of the Byzantines, the idea of ​​cooperation between the two authorities, spiritual and secular, including military, began to take shape.

In addition to the Byzantine Empire, the double-headed eagle managed to visit the coat of arms of the Holy Roman Empire, it appeared here in the XV century. At the same time, the Germanic style of the image of a two-headed eagle began to take shape. This style personified the German warlike mentality. At one time, the German philosopher Walter Schubart characterized him by the fact that the Germans, like born soldiers, love war. The philosopher wittily remarked: "An Englishman dreams of turning the world around him into a factory, a German into a barracks, a Frenchman into a salon, and a Russian into a church."

Modern coat of arms of the Russian Federation


At the same time, the military component occupied a key place in the emblem of the Russian Empire. In this case, the double-headed eagle symbolized a victorious military force, vigilant protection of the borders of Russia from the West and the East, being formidable warnings to possible enemies about the inevitability of retribution. At the same time, the image of a double-headed eagle on arms was viewed as a talisman and amulet, which were designed to bring victory to their owner in battle. For this reason, in Russia, this symbol has become very popular among the military. The military component of the Russian coat of arms in some historical periods (especially after the Patriotic War 1812) only intensified. This was due to the fact that a sword, a sword, a beam of lightning, and so on were depicted in the paws of an eagle. As part of the Great Coat of Arms of the Russian Empire, which was approved in 1882, the patron saint of the armistice Archangel Michael with a sword, the motto "God be with us!"

The military component of the Russian coat of arms was strengthened by other images - a scepter, power, ribbon, and especially a horseman who struck a dragon with a spear. A ribbon in the coat of arms of the Russian Empire appeared under Peter I. In 1699, the first Russian order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called, which had a blue ribbon, was established in the country. This ribbon also adorned the coat of arms of Russia. Moreover, Andrew the First-Called was considered the patron saint of the country and its naval fleet. The scepter was a symbol of the military power of the commander in chief, which made it possible to ensure the independence and sovereignty of the country. The power was a symbol of the integrity of the country, which often had to be set aside with weapons. On the chest of the double-headed eagle was an image of the horseman mentioned many times, which under Peter I began to be called St. George the Victorious. George the Victorious was considered the patron saint of soldiers. During the reign of Fyodor Ivanovich, coins with his image were given to soldiers for courage, they were supposed to be worn on the chest. Later this tradition was developed. In 1769, Empress Catherine II instituted a new highest military award - the Order of St. George, and, starting in 1849, the names of all the gentlemen of this order began to be entered on marble plaques located in Moscow in the St. George Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace.

For the first time, the double-headed eagle appears in Russia in 1497 year, then it was depicted on the wax state seal. On the front side there was an image of St. George the Victorious, on the back side there was a two-headed eagle. Practically for 500 years of his life in the Russian state heraldry, this symbol has undergone many changes. On the seals, this symbol existed until 1918, and the Eagles were removed from the Kremlin towers only in 1935. Once again, the two-headed state eagle of Russia was returned to the Russian 30 coat of arms on November 1993 of the year by a decree of Russian President Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin. By the end of the 20th century, Russia had finally legalized all the attributes of modern Russian state symbols. The author of the modern and most common image of the coat of arms of Russia is the People's Artist of the Russian Federation Yevgeny Ukhnalev.

Double-headed eagles on the uniform of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Kuzegetovich Shoigu.


Speaking of the Russian coat of arms and the emblem of the country's armed forces, one can draw a parallel with the Byzantine Empire, which was also a Eurasian power, in whose territory the majority of people professed Orthodoxy. Greeks, Slavs, Armenians, Turks and many other nations lived in Byzantium. The double-headed eagle with heads that looked simultaneously at the East and at the West symbolized itself and the unity of these two principles. For the modern Russian Federation, this symbol fits perfectly. Russia throughout its history has been a truly multinational country, which united under one emblem the peoples of Europe and Asia. The two-headed Russian eagle is not just a symbol of statehood, but also a symbol of our thousand-year history, the history of our ancestors. Today, it is a symbol of the historical continuity of cultural traditions - from the lost empire, which brought the Hellenistic and Roman cultures to the world - to a relatively young Russian state. The double-headed eagle can be considered as a symbol of unity and unification of the Russian lands.

Information sources:
http://warspot.ru/336-otkuda-prileteli-dvuglavye-orly
http://goldarms.narod.ru/opus1.htm
http://www.nkj.ru/archive/articles/7741
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  1. egor1712
    egor1712 9 November 2015 07: 57 New
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    Very interesting article. I did not know that the sign originates in the Sumerian civilization.
    1. marline
      marline 9 November 2015 08: 47 New
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      Quote: egor1712
      Very interesting article. I did not know that the sign originates in Sumerian civilization.

      In the Hittite. In general, as the article says, the coat of arms came to Russia from Byzantium (Moscow is the third Rome). And in Byzantium itself, as far as I remember, it appeared to replace the Roman eagle, as a symbol of the inseparability of the Western and Eastern Roman Empire.
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 9 November 2015 12: 48 New
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      yes, the two-headed eagle was at first among the Hittites, then among the Byzantines, among Russia, then among Kozhugedovich. The article is primitive, for entities with an incomplete secondary education, Topvo has become a collection of low-standard journalistic fabrications, which are written in dozens a day, a hundred per "article" ...
      1. Andriuha077
        Andriuha077 9 November 2015 16: 46 New
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        Egypt - Ra - the ram of the four winds - even more heads laughing
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      3. RUSS
        RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 26 New
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        Quote: War and Peace
        The article is primitive, for entities with incomplete secondary education,

        Certified historian?
      4. Turkir
        Turkir 10 November 2015 12: 06 New
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        The two-headed eagle was first with the Het, then by the Byzantines

        It is strange that the Hittites are not mentioned. This sign first appeared with them.
        Just like the first time a chariot and constitution appeared there.
        1200 years before our era. The Hittite state was located on the territory of modern Turkey (Anatolia).
        1. marline
          marline 10 November 2015 12: 26 New
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          Quote: Turkir
          It is strange that the Hittites are not mentioned.

          Well, well, the article just says that the oldest image was found in Hattus.
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 10 November 2015 16: 00 New
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            I missed it, I repent and apologize.
            I liked the article - for example, I did not know anything about Gandaberund. It is very interesting.
            Thanks for the error indicated.
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  2. PavelOPG
    PavelOPG 9 November 2015 08: 34 New
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    The double-headed eagle was NOT the emblem of the Byzantine Empire. It was the family coat of arms of the Paleologists.
    1. erg
      erg 9 November 2015 09: 55 New
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      Not a coat of arms. Just one of the emblems. Byzantium did not recognize emblems, although some representatives of the aristocracy acquired them in the manner of Western Europe. But this was not officially recognized, and they did not pay attention to such things, as later in Russia, until the time of Peter 1. The presence of coats of arms in Byzantium was attributed to Europeans, who believed that everyone had coats of arms and always had them. But they also created the coats of arms for the Lord God, and for Adam and Eve.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 9 November 2015 18: 08 New
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        In Byzantium, with universal literacy, heraldry was not needed, a stigma to designate the owner and all. Here, the savages of the West, where there were almost no literate ones, developed a primitive picturesque explanation of the origin of the clan, apparently that's why there were so many impostors and just crooks.
        As a coat of arms, the double-headed eagle took a long time to form, at first as a clan coat of arms already in RUSSIA, to confirm the * European character * of the Romanov clan and the continuity from the RURIKOVICHES.
        The two-headedness was explained by the fact that one head looks to the future, and the other looks to the past, already then they understood that with time there would be those who with stubbornness * of an eyewitness * would remake the past, even the distant past. So the eagle was required for a strict look after the * editors * and * reenactors * of history and the mandatory punishment of outright nonsense.
        1. erg
          erg 9 November 2015 19: 08 New
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          Never, the double-headed eagle was the clan emblem of neither the Rurikovich nor the Romanovs. The Romanovs had no clan coat of arms until the middle of the 19th century. However, like most of the noble families in Russia, who did not acquire emblems until the revolution. The emblem of the reigning dynasty, personal - yes, but not generic.
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 9 November 2015 20: 31 New
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            You are right that the RUSSIAN boyar and princely families did not need to have coats of arms, then there were only hallmarks for determining the owner, the merchants and masters also had hallmarks. The Romanovs, after being elected king of Michael, accepted, as successors, the stigma and any other designations of tsarist authority. Much was discarded or chosen in favor of the more * monumental *. So the stigma of Sophia Paleologus surfaced, as a symbol of the king and the succession of the RURIKOVICHES. Byzantine heredity and pro * third Rome *
            Coats of arms began to appear in the mass production of nobles under Peter and later. We tried to emphasize Europeanism.
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        2. Basil50
          Basil50 9 November 2015 21: 18 New
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          Sorry for the factual error, the eagle is the coat of arms of TsAR Romanov, and not the Romanov clan.
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  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 9 November 2015 08: 42 New
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    Hmm, and the eagle is not Russian, but to send Shoigu as a student to Slava Zaitsev, you looked hung with trinkets. the military should have orders and shoulder straps.
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    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 9 November 2015 10: 04 New
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      This is what a person without trinkets looks like. for the honored orders and without signatures it is clear what kind of person
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 9 November 2015 12: 38 New
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        In my opinion, of all the awards, Stalin wore only the Star of the Hero of Socialist Labor.
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 9 November 2015 18: 16 New
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          Thank you for the ceremonial portrait AND IN STALIN.
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        3. Xsanchez
          Xsanchez 10 November 2015 01: 33 New
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          The artist got a little confused: the Order of Victory is worn on the left side of the chest LEFT from all orders
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 29 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        This is what a person without trinkets looks like. for the honored orders and without signatures it is clear what kind of person

        How did you successfully move from an unsuccessful comment about Shoigu to a win-win comment on Stalin, especially at this forum.
  4. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 9 November 2015 09: 09 New
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    The author began very carefully, probably knowing how slippery this question is:
    It is known that the first images of a two-headed eagle came from the East. But seriously, the question of how and in what quality this symbol arose was practically not worked out.

    Whom he just did not mention: Sumerians, Hindus, Romans, Byzantium, but not the Golden Horde. Well, what about the Tatars!
    Earlier, I wrote and will repeat:
    "So, there is such a historical document called: dastan" On the clan of Chyngyz - khan. "It indicates that the two-headed eagle was from ancient times a tamga, according to another coat of arms of the clan Chyngyz - khan. The Tatar name is" bird Semrug ", coins with this symbol came into use in the Great Horde at the beginning of the 13th century. Byzantium was destroyed by the crusaders in 1204. After the campaign against Catholic Europe by the Golden Horde in 1261, Byzantium was revived as a satellite of the Golden Horde and Samrug appeared at them at the end of the 14th century. Information is taken from the book D R. Enikeeva. By the way, the even more ancient name of the two-headed eagle in Tatar is called "Ikebash Karakosh"
    How many centuries ago, we Tatars and Russians still live together on the same land, in one state. We work and defend the same country, create families. Maybe enough to drive in, the poles of discord poisoned by a lie? After all, every action causes a reaction. Are you not tired ?!
    1. Baikal
      Baikal 9 November 2015 09: 18 New
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      It will be interesting if you write your article on this topic and provide information with the primary sources, indicate where and in what this article is not right. I think many would love to read.
      Regards, Russian hi
      1. Mangel olys
        Mangel olys 9 November 2015 09: 59 New
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        Book by G. Yenikeev and Sh. Kitabchy "The Tatar Heritage" (series "The Tatar Trace in the History of Russia and Eurasia")
        http://tartareurasia.ucoz.com/

        Sincerely, Tatars.
    2. navigator
      navigator 9 November 2015 09: 18 New
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      "Information taken from the book of G.R. Enikeev"

      Who is G.R. Enikeev? According to what you wrote, colleague Fomenko.
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    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 9 November 2015 12: 36 New
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      In Slavic mythology there is a prophetic bird Semurg or Semargl. This is such an ancient creature, the image of which is a myth about which many Indo-European peoples have, that it is ridiculous to attribute its sudden appearance only to the 13, 14 or 15 century. This creature is millennia, and maybe tens or hundreds of millennia. And the fact that Genghis Khan used his image does not mean that this symbol was first invented and used by the Tatars. And, rather, it confirms what many scientists, historians and biologists are already talking about today, that the Tatars and Rus are descendants of one people - Scythians or Slavs, and those, in turn, are Aryans - the ancestors of all Indo-European peoples . And that the Golden Horde is not a period of enslavement of the Russian Tatars, but a period of dominance of pre-Christian, sister-believing forces, for three centuries successfully opposing Christianity advancing from the West, creating a great and powerful multi-tribal empire. Therefore, I will quote
      Quote: Mangel Alys
      How many centuries ago, we Tatars and Russians still live together on the same land, in one state. We work and defend the same country, create families.

      As A.A. Klesov, the author of DNA genealogy, says: "It is said: scratch a Russian - you will see a Tatar, but it turns out, on the contrary: scratch a Tatar, you will see a Russian."
      1. marline
        marline 9 November 2015 13: 39 New
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        Quote: Svetlana
        In Slavic mythology there is a prophetic bird Semurg or Semargl

        Semargl is a dog with wings, not very similar to a two-headed eagle. wink

        Quote: Svetlana
        As A.A. Klesov, the author of DNA genealogy, says: "It is said: scratch a Russian - you will see a Tatar, but it turns out, on the contrary: scratch a Tatar, you will see a Russian."

        Not Klesov, but the old Russian proverb. wink
        And, by the way, according to P. Karpini, the papal legate to the Mongol empire, there were Tatar-Mongols (surprise-surprise !!!) - Nestorians.
        By the way, in our annals, the chronicler was very worried about the fact that Batu became a pagan)))
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 9 November 2015 15: 12 New
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          Quote: merlin
          Semargl is a dog with wings, not very similar to a two-headed eagle.

          Or maybe a dog ......
          Or maybe a dragon .....
          And maybe a bird ... But also good!
          Quote: merlin
          Not Klesov, but the old Russian proverb.

          Klyosov quotes an old saying and says that in reality it can be and vice versa. You read inattentively.
          1. marline
            marline 9 November 2015 15: 26 New
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            A good Soviet cartoon, but still "simargl" is a creature of a slightly different order ...
            Quote: Svetlana
            Klyosov quotes an old saying and says that in reality it can be and vice versa. You read inattentively.

            I read carefully, such a statement belongs to the co-author Klesov - K. Penzev, and expressed it had a different meaning in the context, if you certainly carefully read wink
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 9 November 2015 17: 28 New
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              Quote: merlin
              I read carefully, such a statement belongs to the co-author Klesov - K. Penzev, and expressed it had a different meaning in the context, if you certainly carefully read

              What other context could there be? If you scrape the Tatar, will you see a black man or a Chinese?
              1. marline
                marline 9 November 2015 17: 58 New
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                Quote: Svetlana
                What other context could there be? If you scrape the Tatar, will you see a black man or a Chinese?

                With blacks, you certainly got excited, but the Chinese are quite.
                In general, if you read, then here is a quote from the "Collection of Annals", completed about 1310, Rashid al-Din:
                “These four mentioned emirs with four thousand troops Genghis Khan gave Jochi Khan. Currently, most of the troops of Toktai and Bayan have offspring [nasl]; of these four thousand, and what has been added [to them] lately, is from the troops of Russian, Circassian, Kipchak, Madzhar and others who joined them. [In addition], during the feuds among the distant and close relatives of [ala wa ini], the unit also had to go there [in the possession of Toktai and Bayan] ”

                As if, besides the Russians, there are also Circassians, Kipchaks (modern Tatars), Madjars, more Alans and Bashkirs ...
      2. Mangel olys
        Mangel olys 10 November 2015 10: 37 New
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        Svetlana, basically you write correctly. But it’s not about
        Quote: Svetlana
        And the fact that Genghis Khan used his image does not mean that this symbol was first invented and used by the Tatars.

        but that they were silent about them and obviously intentionally. Well, for example, just as it is silent, that as a percentage of the number of people the Tatars are in second place after the Russians, who received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union in the Second World War.
        And the words "Scratch a Russian - you will see a Tatar" are the words of Napoleon, including those related to Kutuzov.
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    6. Down House
      Down House 9 November 2015 16: 35 New
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      Quote: Mangel Olys
      .Tatar name - "bird Samrug", coins with this symbol came into use in the Great Horde at the beginning of the 13th century

      Perhaps so, but the Hittites were still the first of the known.
      In general, for some reason they never think that all kinds of symbols can appear independently of each other - because the variations of the symbols used are limited, and there are many civilizations.
    7. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 November 2015 19: 02 New
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      It seems ... google.
      14th Century Golden Horde Coin:
  5. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 9 November 2015 09: 18 New
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    Pool (coin) of the Golden Horde Tsar Dzhanibek (1341-1357)
    1. navigator
      navigator 9 November 2015 10: 33 New
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      The two-headed serpent of the mountain looks more like it, don’t you?
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 9 November 2015 11: 05 New
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        if you dig further, then the two-headed bird is also mentioned among the Arabs, in the adventures of Sinbad, as the bird RUH. So this wonderful beast was very common in the East and Asia. And she flew to Russia to lay eggs and raise offspring, the usual seasonal migration. smile
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 9 November 2015 17: 31 New
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          And in the company to these birds laughing
          Janus (lat. Jānus, from lat. Jānus "arcade", "covered passage" [1]) - in ancientRomeSky mythology - two-faced god [2] doors, entrances, exits, various aisles
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 34 New
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            Quote: Andriuha077
            And in the company to these birds

            And in the company to your garden and "agricultural" tools.
        2. Alexy
          Alexy 9 November 2015 18: 11 New
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          And in Ukraine, there is also such a bird. People's Movement is called
        3. datura23
          datura23 9 November 2015 22: 01 New
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          THE BIRD IS NOT A BEAST!
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 9 November 2015 11: 48 New
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        Can we attach a third?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 9 November 2015 14: 29 New
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          Quote: Author
          Despite the fact that as an emblem of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation it is placed on many army objects and items, its military component is not well understood and little known.

          All these modern "eagles" resemble some sort of splint and give the impression of something not real ...
          Well, what relation can the heraldic signs of the Russian Empire have to the modern RF? only exclusively caricatured and as confirmation of this thesis can be considered the modern general form and special emotion lol evokes the uniform of the Kremlin regiment ..., it all seems like a joke ...
          And immediately recall the Soviet symbols ... Strict, laconic, stylistically finished and from this beautiful.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 9 November 2015 15: 33 New
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            This is the flag and coat of arms of MY country!
            1. moskowit
              moskowit 9 November 2015 19: 19 New
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              And mine!

              "OUR EMBLEM

              In various ways the powers
              Coats of arms decorated their own.
              Here is a leopard, two-headed eagle
              And a lion standing on its hind legs.

              This was an old custom, -
              To the state emblems
              Threatened neighbors face animal
              The grin of all your teeth.

              Either a predatory beast or an evil bird
              Likeness having lost its
              They squeeze in their paws, threatening
              Blasting sword or spear.

              Where lions have never happened,
              From the arms the lions fiercely look
              Or eagles that are few
              One eagle's head!

              But not an eagle, not a lion, not a lioness
              Our coat of arms adorned ourselves
              And a golden wreath of wheat,
              Mighty hammer, sharp sickle.

              We do not threaten other nations
              But take care of the spacious house,
              Where is the place under the sky
              Everything living by work.

              It will not be foe split
              Union of Nations never.
              The sickle and hammer are indivisible
              Earth, and an ear, and a star! "S. A. Marshak.
            2. RUSS
              RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 35 New
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              Quote: alicante11
              This is the flag and coat of arms of MY country!

              I’ll tell you a secret, this country is no longer .... but you are still there.
          2. ALEA IACTA EST
            ALEA IACTA EST 9 November 2015 18: 59 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Well, what relation can the heraldic signs of the Russian Empire have to the modern RF?

            Continuity.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 9 November 2015 20: 20 New
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              Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
              Continuity.

              and in more detail is possible? hi
              1. ALEA IACTA EST
                ALEA IACTA EST 9 November 2015 21: 12 New
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                The Russian Federation is the only successor to the Russian Empire, symbolism and points to this. Something like this...
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 9 November 2015 22: 13 New
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                  Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
                  The Russian Federation is the only successor to the Russian Empire, symbolism and points to this.

                  Those. there is no empire, emperor, autocracy, but there is symbolism?
                  1. EGOrkka
                    EGOrkka 10 November 2015 04: 07 New
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                    Sling cutter
                    Those. there is no empire, emperor, autocracy, but there is symbolism?


                    ... symbolism is not drawn by emperors .... symbolism is created on the basis of HISTORY and CULTURE ... hi
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 10 November 2015 17: 28 New
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                      Quote: EGOrkka
                      ... symbolism is not drawn by emperors .... symbolism is created on the basis of HISTORY and CULTURE.

                      why talk nonsense?
                      it is the emblem of the imperial house of the Romanovs, painted not by them, but for them ...
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          3. moskowit
            moskowit 9 November 2015 19: 31 New
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            Everything is correct. The Order of the Red Star is the most beautiful of the orders of the USSR. Strict, laconic, without elaborate frills ... Only in the illustration the wrong color scheme was used.
            "The Order of the Red Star is a five-pointed star covered with ruby-red enamel.

            In the middle of the order there is a shield with the image of a Red Army man in an overcoat and a budenovka with a rifle in his hands. On the rim of the shield is the inscription “Workers of all countries, unite!”, At the bottom of the rim is the inscription “USSR”. Under the shield is an image of a sickle and a hammer. The shield, the image of the Red Army, the inscription, the sickle and hammer, as well as the edges of the star, are oxidized.

            The Order of the Red Star is made of silver. The silver content in the order is 27,162 ± 1,389 g (on 18 of September 1975 of the year). The total weight of the order is 33,250 ± 1,620 g [31].

            The size of the order between the opposite vertices of the star is 47-50 mm (depending on the year of issue). The distance from the center of the order to the top of any of the five enamel rays of the star is 26-27 mm.

            On the reverse side, the mark has a threaded pin with a nut for attaching the order to the clothes.

            Bordeaux silk moire ribbon with a longitudinal gray stripe in the middle. The width of the tape is 24 mm, the width of the strip is 5 mm [2]. "(From Wikipedia)
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      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 10 November 2015 08: 33 New
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        Quote: navigator
        The two-headed serpent of the mountain looks more like it, don’t you?


        I find, I even think there is a certain connection of fairy tales with the past, with reality.
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  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 9 November 2015 09: 31 New
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    And I do not like it, but this is purely my opinion. The Soviet was better, and at least with some sense.
    1. xan
      xan 9 November 2015 11: 26 New
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      Quote: Standard Oil
      And I do not like it, but this is purely my opinion. The Soviet was better, and at least with some sense.

      it may make more sense, but the eagle cannot be abandoned, Russia did not begin in 1917. Soviet Russia only distributed its lands, and the empire collected so bad. We are so big thanks to the empire, and thanks to the USSR we managed to preserve all this, though without the lands that we gave to our "friends".
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 9 November 2015 15: 36 New
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        Soviet Russia was only distributing its lands, and the empire was collecting so bad.


        Yes, that's not only collected. For example - Alaska, Kuriles, half of Sakhalin. I am not saying that the Empire "squandered" the land, it is simply not necessary to drag the Bolsheviks. Situations are different, and we also remember that the Empire was destroyed not by the Bolsheviks, but by traitors from the same imperial elite.
  7. erg
    erg 9 November 2015 09: 47 New
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    Article minus. The emblem never symbolized anything. The emblem, like a regular emblem, designates its owner. In this case, the Russian state. Elements of the coat of arms may appear as symbols. For example, crowns symbolize independence, independence. Power - the fullness of power, that is, the spread of power throughout the state. That is, Russia does not share its power with someone else. The scepter symbolizes the same thing. Ribbons emerging from the crown used to indicate the ribbon of the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called. Neither the emblem nor its elements symbolized any belligerence, west, east, etc. On the chest of the eagle there is no St. George the Victorious. This is just a horseman striking a serpent with a spear. According to Russian iconographic tradition, a saint can only be depicted with the corresponding attributes (cross, halo, etc.). By the way, the article made a gross mistake. In the drawing of the coat of arms, the rider sits on a red saddle and the horse blanket is red. And there should be silver (white), as stated in the description of the coat of arms. Simply, some designer apparently decided that it would be more beautiful and painted elements of the coat of arms at his discretion. But it’s all the same that, for example, in the passport office, an employee at his discretion will change the letters in your surname. Also, according to the Russian heraldic tradition, the emblem of the state. the coat of arms may be depicted outside the shield. Therefore, we see numerous images of the double-headed eagle outside the shield, but this is still the coat of arms, and not just an eagle. Government departments may have emblems created on the basis of the coat of arms or with the participation of its elements. Example, the military department. Traditional military symbols were added to the coat of arms. Not state structures can use the elements of the coat of arms, only with the permission of the state. So, Russian Railways, was denied a double-headed emblem.
    1. navigator
      navigator 9 November 2015 10: 32 New
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      Quote: erg
      On the chest of the eagle there is no St. George the Victorious. This is just a horseman striking a serpent with a spear. According to Russian iconographic tradition, a saint can only be depicted with the corresponding attributes (cross, halo, etc.).


      This is not "just a horseman striking a serpent with a spear", as Wikipedia writes. This is precisely St. George the Victorious, taken from the coat of arms of Moscow. According to the Russian iconographic tradition, a saint can be depicted without the appropriate attributes (cross, etc.), without a halo. This is true. In iconography (not only Russian), only St. George is depicted in this way. Only you have forgotten one thing, the coat of arms is not an icon in order to observe the iconographic canon.
      1. erg
        erg 9 November 2015 13: 00 New
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        You are mistaken. The rider migrated to the chest of an eagle long before the appearance of the coat of arms of Moscow, when there were no coats of arms in Russia. And Oryol was only the seal of the Moscow sovereign. Prior to this, the rider also played the role of a seal. And they believed that the prince himself was depicted there, striking his enemies. The diplomatic correspondence of the times of Ivan III seems to have survived in which the Russian diplomat gives an explanation of what the rider means. If I am not mistaken, then the correspondence with the Venetians. Foreigners began to consider him as George already in the time of Peter I, when they helped to create Russian heraldry. Yes, the iconographic tradition is not required only for icons. Here in Europe, saints could be portrayed in the form of ordinary people. Therefore, there are so many images of George in the form of a knight. I recommend the "Heraldry Today" site for this topic. Rich material, and in the library section you can download works on heraldry by both pre-revolutionary, Soviet and modern scientists.
        1. navigator
          navigator 9 November 2015 16: 58 New
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          Quote: erg
          You are mistaken. The horseman migrated to the eagle’s chest long before the emblem of Moscow appeared, when there were no emblems in Russia either.


          I won’t argue with you, it won’t lead to anything. You’re self-confident, but you don’t know the material very well, statements about iconography are an example. Remain with your mind what problems.
          1. erg
            erg 9 November 2015 18: 08 New
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            Well, and your phrase about George the Victorious, taken from the coat of arms of Moscow, gives you a cool specialist in this field. But you are right - we will remain at our place.
            1. navigator
              navigator 9 November 2015 19: 20 New
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              Quote: erg
              Yes, the iconographic tradition is not required only for icons. Here in Europe, saints could be portrayed in the form of ordinary people. Therefore, there are so many images of George in the form of a knight. I recommend the "Heraldry Today" site for this topic.


              You are surprised at your pearls. The iconographic tradition, as you call the icon-painting canon, is, on the contrary, obligatory for the icons. In which Europe and who did the saints depict as ordinary people? Artists or icon painters? Can someone draw someone on the fence and say that this is an icon of St. George, and he is an artist.
              1. erg
                erg 9 November 2015 21: 19 New
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                I did not call the iconographic canon iconography. Iconography is an established system for describing and depicting any characters or plot scenes. This is the simplest definition. See the encyclopedia for more details, but not Wikipedia. For example, there is a term, for example, Pushkin’s iconography, which means a collection of images of the poet. Does Pushkin have anything to do with the iconographic canon? It's just that the terms iconography and icon-painting canon come from the Greek word eikon, meaning images, but these are different concepts. Heraldry also has its own iconographic traditions, for example, the tradition of depicting animal figures, the monster turned to the right, while turning them to the left is a deviation from the rules and requires mandatory indication in blazon.
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                2. navigator
                  navigator 9 November 2015 22: 02 New
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                  Quote: erg
                  I did not call the iconographic canon iconography. Iconography is an established system for describing and depicting any characters or plot scenes. This is the simplest definition. See the encyclopedia for more details, but not Wikipedia. For example, there is a term, for example, Pushkin’s iconography, which means a collection of images of the poet. Does Pushkin have anything to do with the iconographic canon? It's just that the terms iconography and icon-painting canon come from the Greek word eikon, meaning images, but these are different concepts. Heraldry also has its own iconographic traditions, for example, the tradition of depicting animal figures, the monster turned to the right, while turning them to the left is a deviation from the rules and requires mandatory indication in blazon.


                  You can flirt around on the subject of Pushkin's iconography, windows. In the first post you wrote not about Pushkin's iconography and separated the "Russian iconographic tradition" from the "Russian heraldic tradition." And now let's go "Does Pushkin have anything to do with the icon-painting canon? Just terms? iconography and icon painting canon come from the Greek word eikon, meaning images, but these are different concepts. Heraldry also has its own iconographic traditions, for example, the tradition of depicting animal figures. "Not serious.
                  1. erg
                    erg 9 November 2015 22: 39 New
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                    You are an ordinary troll. Do not argue with argument, but cling to words to irritate your opponent and enjoy it. Well, consider that you have achieved this. Spit on the cons and ban. You are an ordinary mu..k. It is a pity the swear words are deleted.
                    1. navigator
                      navigator 9 November 2015 23: 05 New
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                      Quote: erg
                      You are an ordinary troll. Do not argue with argument, but cling to words to irritate your opponent and enjoy it. Well, consider that you have achieved this. Spit on the cons and ban. You are an ordinary mu..k. It is a pity the swear words are deleted.


                      First on you, then on you. And not a troll and arguments are provided, that's why you get angry. As for mu..ka and "It's a pity, swear words are removed" everything is clear, education, or rather, its absence. Truly intelligent simple man. Apparently, a passion for heraldry So it does. Virtually, at a distance, it is easy to be a greyhound, so I personally would ask for mu ... then the conversation would be different. And it would not seem a little.
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          2. erg
            erg 9 November 2015 18: 44 New
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            However, I did not exactly put it. We are not talking about applying the rules of iconography to the arms, but about the perception of the image of the saint. In the context of Russian church iconography, the lack of a halo in the saint is an anomaly, in European, it is permissible liberty. Therefore, foreigners perceived the image of the horseman as the image of St. George. For the Russians, he was only a horseman, allegorically depicted in the image of a saint, but not the imagination of the saint himself.
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  8. Burivad
    Burivad 9 November 2015 09: 57 New
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    Quote: Max_Bauder
    Pool (coin) of the Golden Horde Tsar Dzhanibek (1341-1357)

    Maybe the symbol at its origins was a dragon, not an eagle? :) Who will understand it, what the ancients wanted to portray in their symbols. ;)
    1. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 10 November 2015 08: 31 New
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      Quote: BurIvaD
      Maybe the symbol at its origins was a dragon, not an eagle? :) Who will understand it, what the ancients wanted to portray in their symbols. ;)


      Perhaps I even suspect that there could be two in one, eagle + dragon = griffin. If you look at the medieval maps of Europeans about Russia, and pay attention to the map that Putin showed, there was supposedly a certain country of Tartaria for a long time, she has a griffin on the flag. Of course, I am not a fan of conspiracy theories and alternative history, but there is a theoretical probability that at the same time as the Muscovite state another state existed in Siberia, either under Grozny, the capture of Kazan, or under Peter and his descendants, this country was conquered. The old version of the coat of arms of the Russian Empire is suggesting this idea; it’s now on the coat of arms of the Russian Federation, George the Victorious piercing a serpent with a spear is depicted, and in earlier versions the griffin, half-dragon, half-eagle, was depicted instead of the serpent. Just wondering.
  9. Franzum
    Franzum 9 November 2015 10: 12 New
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    Very informative. Thank !
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 9 November 2015 10: 46 New
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    There is such a book "Overhaul" by Novikov-Priboy, about the imperial Russian fleet. So, there, in literature classes (this is an analogue of Soviet political studies), the midshipman asked the sailor: "Why is there a two-headed eagle on the Russian coat of arms?" To which the sailor bravo replied: "So u.r.o.d, your honor!"
    Of course, I do not share this opinion (SPECIAL FOR MODERATORS), but the answer is funny, is not it?
    Taken from here: http://morebirds.ru/pochemu-na-gerbe-imenno-dvuxglavyj-orel-2.html
  11. By001261
    By001261 9 November 2015 12: 17 New
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    Article plus. Very interesting information thanks
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 9 November 2015 13: 58 New
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      Thanks for that? He never answered the question that he put in the title ... The double-headed eagle passed to the coat of arms of the Moscow principality by inheritance from the last fragment of the Byzantine emperors Komnins (Khovrins), from the Crimean principality Feodoro, the clan Gavrasov (Gavrilov)

      http://www.istpravda.ru/excursions/9047/

      http://www.proza.ru/2013/01/25/176
  12. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 November 2015 12: 27 New
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    A moot point. In my opinion, it is necessary to distinguish several stages. The flag and coat of arms of Kievan Rus, the flag and coat of arms of the Moscow principality-kingdom, the flag and coat of arms of the Russian Empire, the flag and coat of arms of the Russian Federation. The modern Russian flag and coat of arms are more likely the heirs of the flag and coat of arms of the Russian Empire, established by Peter the first, than he was guided and what he was guided by, there are a lot of historical jokes and documents. In my opinion, its flag and coat of arms gravitate toward European traditions rather than Asian ones. The imperial standard and the black eagle on it are almost tracing paper from the flag of the Holy Roman Empire. Therefore, the eagle is rather an imitation of the Holy Roman Empire, the times of the Moscow kingdom, than Byzantium, whose heyday was under Kievan Rus. We know about the flag and the alleged influence of Dutch-English-Scottish colors and symbols from school textbooks. In general, the Sumero-Hindu-Byzantines to this all, most likely have nothing to do. Although here the modern double-headed eagle on coins and the emblem seems to have been made precisely with Byzantine seals, incl. here we may see another zigzag of history, which in the future will add confusion and headache to historians.
    1. erg
      erg 9 November 2015 13: 18 New
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      Neither Kievan Rus, nor the Moscow Principality, nor any Asian state had any emblems. Emblems, prints - possible. Coats of arms is an invention of Western Europe and only. And what is depicted in the coat of arms is the will of the owner or drafter of the coat of arms. Therefore, figures that have circulation in other nations can also be found in the arms. The main thing here is to observe the rules for composing emblems. The Russian coat of arms acquired familiar features even before Peter, in imitation of the traditions of Europe. But finally acquired the status of a coat of arms precisely under Peter. Indeed, in imitation of the Caesar's coat of arms, the colors traditional for Russia were changed. Peter believed that so he declares the equality of Russia with other states. From a heraldic point of view, such a change in colors can be interpreted as a claim to equality, or even primacy. In modern times, we simply returned to the traditional image of an eagle in pre-Petrine Russia - gold on red. But they preserved the attributes of the imperial coat of arms - Russian Imperial crowns, the presence of which indicates that this coat of arms is the coat of arms of Russia. No one else can depict them in the coat of arms.
  13. dvg79
    dvg79 9 November 2015 12: 43 New
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    I would have liked a bear more on the coat of arms - anyway, in the west this beast represents Russia, and dearer than the two-headed mutant.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 9 November 2015 13: 19 New
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      The bear is also not news in the coats of arms of Europe and even America. For example, the coat of arms of Berlin. Or Bruges, Bern, Madrid. California flag. In general, there is tradition. We have old ones - Yaroslavl, Novgorod, Perm. And a bunch of modern ones.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 42 New
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      Quote: dvg79
      two-headed mutant.

      Is this a mutant?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 9 November 2015 22: 01 New
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        Quote: RUSS
        Is this a mutant?

        noooooo, this one!
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 10 November 2015 04: 05 New
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          this!!!!! and those who chose her in joy !!
  14. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 9 November 2015 13: 31 New
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    Looking to the future laughing
  15. 0000
    0000 9 November 2015 13: 40 New
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    TWO_RA



    RA _ / GOD_SUN_LIGHT /

    DO_RA / TWO_RA / DOUBLE STAR



    fool wink
    1. marline
      marline 9 November 2015 13: 45 New
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      In my opinion, this is a falcon, not an eagle ...
      1. 0000
        0000 9 November 2015 13: 57 New
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        THINK BETTER wink
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  18. Support
    Support 9 November 2015 14: 13 New
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    By the way, the long necks of the Eagles on the Coat of Arms resemble snakes. And this is very interesting, because in Egypt, from the time of the pharaohs, the Coat of Arms is very similar to the Russian ..... however, the connection
  19. 0000
    0000 9 November 2015 14: 21 New
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    around the snake))))
    Quote: Prop
    the long necks of the Eagles on the Coat of Arms resemble snake




    (to whom that closer \ snake sees a snake) lol

  20. atos_kin
    atos_kin 9 November 2015 14: 30 New
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    Artists! And you can somehow instead of a trident, a two-headed pig on an ensign to dazzle for all recognition of history of great ukrov. laughing
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    2. 0000
      0000 9 November 2015 14: 37 New
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      falling star winked
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 9 November 2015 15: 34 New
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        SYMBOLIC-country with downflag ...... diving emblem ...... under the funeral anthem ..... hi
        1. 0000
          0000 9 November 2015 22: 01 New
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          there are no accidents wink
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 10 November 2015 04: 10 New
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            .... based on what is happening .... perhaps true .... but when did it hold someone back? bully
  21. Support
    Support 9 November 2015 14: 39 New
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    Older - Russia. And according to the horoscope, I’m the exact snake.
  22. 0000
    0000 9 November 2015 15: 06 New
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    to everyone who wrote above ... / do not confuse people wink "bird Simurg" _ in Russian ZHARPTITSA (almost nothing to do with the coat of arms repeat )
    1. marline
      marline 9 November 2015 15: 30 New
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      In short, peacock laughing
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      2. 0000
        0000 9 November 2015 15: 37 New
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        Quote: merlin
        In short, peacock laughing


        learn the primer ignoramus _ lol until you pull on merlin
        1. marline
          marline 9 November 2015 15: 51 New
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          You, in the picture, the falcon is Ra or Horus, and the prototype of the firebird is a peacock. wink
          Learn natural science ...
          1. 0000
            0000 9 November 2015 16: 04 New
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            JEWLERS _ live _ in another * dimension / re-read the textbook of magic lol lol lol prototype laughing



            (RA or GOR yourself guess) wink
            1. marline
              marline 9 November 2015 16: 13 New
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              Quote: 0000
              JEWLERS _ live _ in another * dimension / re-read the textbook of magic

              Other measurements are written in M-theory. I read about the firebirds are not there.
              Quote: 0000
              (RA or GOR yourself guess) wink

              Ra-Khorakhti wink
              1. 0000
                0000 9 November 2015 16: 21 New
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                Quote: merlin
                I read about the firebirds


                go * there _ look at them _ yourself / MERLIN lol

                better catch wink
                1. marline
                  marline 9 November 2015 16: 37 New
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                  Mixed into a bunch: horses, people ...
                  Is it in your Luan-niao picture?
                  By the way, the Egyptian phoenix (firebird), and not Horus at all:
                  1. 0000
                    0000 9 November 2015 16: 48 New
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                    one FEATHER on the head _ a symbol of the mind
                    two feathers on the head _ a symbol of wisdom

                    in your picture GOD OF WISDOM _ TOT wink





                    Quote: merlin
                    phoenix (firebird)


                    lol
                    1. marline
                      marline 9 November 2015 16: 58 New
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                      Bennu ... Here without feathers:
                    2. marline
                      marline 9 November 2015 17: 01 New
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                      Quote: 0000
                      in your picture GOD OF WISDOM _ TOT wink

                      And by the way, Thoth - never a heron, but an ibis
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                      5. 0000
                        0000 9 November 2015 18: 37 New
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                        (by the way, you picked up my former nickname wink )
                      6. 0000
                        0000 9 November 2015 20: 45 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        He is never a heron, but an ibis


                        you dug up such a crooked picture laughing
  23. jungler
    jungler 9 November 2015 17: 48 New
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    To the author of the article. There is another, completely different vision and version of the appearance of the two-headed eagle on the flag of Russia. I am sending you to the KAMOLA website. There you will find. However, in 2's words - VERSION of modern history is written in the 19 century. It has nothing to do with reality. In 1812, there was most likely a nuclear war. Who fought with whom is a big question. How, for example, did WHO build St. Petersburg and WHEN, and most importantly, WHICH TECHNOLOGIES? And 2's of the main eagle chick were found by soldiers of the infantry regiment. They were fed and raised (mutant after a nuclear disaster) ... etc. But that is another story. Read an alternative story that answers a lot of questions that modern, false historians are silent about. (by the way who and how burned Moscow in the 1812 year) - the question is not simple. A nuclear footprint in the center of the capital can be seen on the maps of the Ministry of Emergencies today .... where did it come from ???
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 45 New
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      Quote: jungler
      In 1812, there was most likely a nuclear war.
  24. kino110
    kino110 9 November 2015 20: 42 New
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    and what have the Greeks? well Byzantium, well Rome, well Hittites, well Sumerians - there is a connection. the Hellenes in Greece are the same railways in Russia.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 10 November 2015 04: 02 New
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      until the crest skase-evrey ... do not cry ... winked
    2. navigator
      navigator 10 November 2015 09: 51 New
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      Quote: kino110

      kino110

      and what have the Greeks? well Byzantium, well Rome, well Hittites, well Sumerians - there is a connection. the Hellenes in Greece are the same railways in Russia.



      Hellenes - self-name of the Greeks. Initially, the Hellenes were a small tribe that lived in southern Thessaly in the valley of Enipey, Apidan, and other tributaries of Peneus. The Greeks received the name "Greeks" from the Romans who conquered them. In modern Russian, the word "Hellenes" is usually used to refer to the inhabitants of ancient Greece, although modern Greeks call themselves so.
      1. kino110
        kino110 10 November 2015 19: 05 New
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        ...Q.E.D. where did life on planet earth come from? clear stump from the Hellenes)
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  25. andrey2015
    andrey2015 9 November 2015 21: 06 New
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    To search, then in many lands and sources there is this symbol. In Egypt, the Middle East, India, in the editions of medieval Europe, where else? I read the version that all these are traces of one civilization; our ancestors. If we return to normal chronology, then everything fits in, and our calculus, European, is stretched.
  26. Horly
    Horly 9 November 2015 22: 58 New
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    Departing a little from the theme of the appearance of the two-headed eagle as a symbol of the state, I remembered what he was called when he appeared on the crown of his cap ... Army rumor immediately christened him "tobacco chicken" ...
  27. ermolai
    ermolai 10 November 2015 00: 15 New
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    Quote: Svetlana
    The Golden Horde is not a period of enslavement of the Russian Tatars, but a period of dominance of pre-Christian, sister-believing forces, which have been successfully opposing Christianity advancing from the West for three centuries, creating a great and powerful multi-tribal empire.

    I support, especially if we take the whole territory of present-day Russia and its neighbors called Tartaria, (see maps in the British Encyclopedia), the horde is like the current military districts, and Chingys Khan can be said in another way, the rank of khans i.e. it seems like the commander in chief, all the more so because for some reason he was depicted on engravings with a Euro-like face, and according to the descriptions he was a blue-eyed blond, and a nation such as the Tatars appeared as the chronicles disappeared and appeared from the Torah
  28. Mangel olys
    Mangel olys 10 November 2015 11: 12 New
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    Quote: Antipossevino
    "... The double-headed eagle, as the most consistently used symbol of the Great Horde, is constantly depicted on the coins of Ulus Jochi and Rus, for example, on coins issued under the khans of Batu, Berk and Tokta (XIII century), and under the khans Nogai, Uzbek, and khan Dzhanibeke, Toktamysh (XIV century) [44] You can find the image of a two-headed eagle on the coins of the Golden Horde and a later period, up to the period of Muscovy inclusive [66, pp. 141-145].
    In the 1490 year, under Ivan III, the double-headed eagle becomes the officially established emblem of the Moscow kingdom - and accordingly of Russia [95, p. 32].

    But there is a “universally recognized” opinion that the two-headed eagle has nothing to do with the “Tatar region” - this is, they say, a primordially Orthodox sign from Byzantium. Recall, however, that Byzantium in 1204 was destroyed by the crusaders as a state and ceased to exist. Byzantium revived only in the 1260 year, with the help of the Tatars-Hordes, Ulus Juchi - the great khan of the State Mongol Guyuk “invited priests from Sham (Syria), Rum (Byzantium), Osov and Russia and proclaimed a program acceptable to the Orthodox - a campaign for Catholic Europe ”[31, p. 374].
    And only after the restoration of Orthodox Byzantium as a satellite of the Golden Horde, in the second half of the XIV century, a double-headed eagle appears in Byzantium - on coins and on other attributes of this state formation.

    Let us explain why the symbol of the Great Horde was depicted on coins and seals of Byzantium (Ruma): this country was part of the Mongol Power and was constantly under the auspices of the khans of Ulus Jochi, “Tatar kings of the Northern lands” [93, p. 441]. For example, the bishop of Byzantium
    he constantly carried out the instructions of the Khan of the Golden Horde, Berke and rendered him considerable assistance in foreign affairs, being an ally of the descendants and followers of Chyngyz
    Khan [93, p. 236]. And another religion of the ally did not bother anyone - neither the Muslim Tatars, nor the Orthodox Russians and Greeks: “Since the sons of Genghis Khan became
    rule this land ... continually between them, the renewal of agreements and the conclusion of friendship, the formation of alliances between them and the giving of gifts from
    the king of Rum (Byzantine - G. E.) ”[93, p. 236].

    So, as you can see, our two-headed eagle is the most “local”, Eurasian work of state symbolism. Double-headed eagle appeared as a symbol
    for the first time it was in the state founded by the Tatars-Hordes. This state was transformed by the Tatars-Hordes, together with “Russians, Hungarians and others who joined them
    northern peoples ", into a power that occupies almost the entire inhabited territory of Eurasia [36] ..."


    From the book: "The Heritage of the Tatars", Moscow, "Algorithm", 2015, authors G. Enikeev, Sh. Kitabchy).
  29. 0000
    0000 10 November 2015 13: 48 New
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    pyramidion_ from the top of the pyramid

    (prompt _read right to left and left to right)

    can see clearly wink

    in the meantime, darkness what
    1. Alisher
      Alisher 10 November 2015 23: 13 New
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      From the central symbol of the sun to the left is written:
      SA RA [IMN M HAT] DI ANKH DJT - Son of Ra [Amenhamhet I] give life forever,
      To the right of the sun is written: NSW BIT [not decoded] DI ANKH DJT - Pharaoh of Lower and Upper Egypt [someone with a sickle sign] give life forever,
      Upper long line, from right to left, lower from left to right.
      [Amenhamhet I] 12th dynasty, approximately 2000 BC

      And what does it mean?
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    0000 11 November 2015 06: 37 New
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    Quote: Alisher
    From the central symbol of the sun to the left



    reads to the center





    1. Alisher
      Alisher 11 November 2015 08: 51 New
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      My level of ancient Egyptian is reading with a dictionary, but it is obvious that the name of the pharaoh in the cartouche is read towards the cartouche line, in addition, the characters themselves are turned to the center.

      So what does this pyramidion have to do with the article?
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        0000 11 November 2015 17: 51 New
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        SEE _ RIPE / SIGHTS _ PRIEST
        PRIEST _ UR / SIGHT




        become a seer and find out)
  31. Olezhek
    Olezhek 11 November 2015 09: 43 New
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    That is, as I understood from the comments: the lands from the Nile to the Ganges are also ours (historically) ????
    lol
    1. marline
      marline 11 November 2015 15: 54 New
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      Quote: Olezhek
      That is, as I understood from the comments: the lands from the Nile to the Ganges are also ours (historically) ????
      lol

      What about yak? Comrade Fomenko claims that it was the Cossacks who built the pyramids ...
      And in general, the Slavic-Cossack-Russians, in the 10th century, their ataman khan-connung Alexander Batyay Chingizovich Dolgoruky defeated the filthy Teutons under the leadership of Guy Julius Napoleonius ... And all this ended, you will not believe, a nuclear war in 1812. laughing
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      0000 11 November 2015 18: 19 New
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      was, one language _ one people
      became, different languages ​​_ different peoples

      the legend of the tower of Babel was read ...

      (it also says who is to blame and why winked )
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