How is Israel’s “strategic asset” after the Iranian “nuclear deal” and the Syrian conflict?




One day, an unnamed Israeli air force major told the media that the F-15 family of aircraft would continue to be a "strategic asset" of Israel for a long time. And this is absolutely not nostalgia for the hot times of the Arab-Israeli conflicts of the middle and the end of the twentieth century, where the pilots of the Israeli F-15A and MiG-23ML often converged in a close air combat, often relying on the psychological endurance and flight performance of their cars, but quite the objective reality of the XXI century, where the F-15 themselves turned into combat vehicles of a completely different sort, both with their own drawbacks and with undeniable merits.

Everyone knows that the Iranian “nuclear deal” concluded between the leaderships of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the “six” countries turned into a real headache for a radically inclined Israel, which all the time and with all sorts of foreign policy instruments strove for a forceful method of influencing Iran’s nuclear program. The thing is that even a partial lifting of sanctions on energy supplies to Western countries, as well as relatively military-technical cooperation with leading world powers, will lead the Islamic Republic not only to a more stable level of economy, but will also significantly increase the power of national armed forces for faster ways that deaths are alike for Israeli regional dominance. The Nuclear Deal reopens for Iran multiple segments of the fuel market and the high-tech electronic industry market, which will allow Iran to receive military electronic equipment not only from China, more accurate and modern air defense and air defense equipment will appear accordingly fleet.

Therefore, now we are witnessing a picture of how Binimin Netanyahu visits Moscow every two months, then in Washington, obviously not from the benefits that the whole foreign policy of this country is aimed at. On Monday, November 9, Netanyahu will again arrive at the White House to meet with Obama, who will become one of the most important for the Middle East state. The primary task of the Israeli prime minister should be confirmation of a 70% increase in funding for military-technical support of the Israeli armed forces by the United States, a secondary one - the transfer of additional weapons, which will include the most advanced tactical aviation complexes of generation 4 ++. From this moment, we return to the F-15 topic as the “strategic asset” of the Israeli Air Force.
The Israeli Air Force has the most solid experience in operating and upgrading various modifications of the F-15 fighter jets. The first military baptism of these machines took place precisely in the Israeli Air Force 36 years ago, when the civil war between pro-Syrian Palestinian units and pro-Israel forces in Lebanon reached its climax. Israeli F-15A were machines solely for the conquest of superiority in the air. For 1979, the flight performance and avionics of these machines were almost at the top of progress: a trapezoid wing of 56,6 m2 area and 13,05 m span and small wing load 330 kg / mX, NUMX axle beyond the 2, combat radius 1,1 fighter, XRUMX radius over the 1500; km, speed 1600 km / h, as well as the most advanced at that time standard airborne radar AN / APG-2650 allowed to carry the plane to the generation of fighter "63". Let me remind you that the Syrians then had only 4-generation fighters of the MiG-3ML, which had absolutely no advantages over the “Eagle” in air combat at small, medium and long ranges; at the same time, other 23 generation machines, the F-4A, have already participated in the battles. Therefore, the ratio of losses in the subsequent Lebanon war was within 16: 1 in favor of the Israeli Air Force. The Russian 2-generation fighters of the MiG-4A and Su-29P then only passed the main stages of flight tests in the USSR Air Force and their use in the theater did not even stipulate.

After the end of the Lebanese war, the military-strategic situation in the Middle East began to change dramatically. Back in 1980, diplomatic relations between the US and Shiite Iran were completely interrupted, as a result of which the already strained Iranian-Israeli relations gradually turned into a real regional confrontation, where almost the entire Shiite and part of the Sunni worlds of the Middle East and Central Asia opposed Israel. It is quite logical that the relatively small probable theater of military operations for the Israeli Armed Forces has increased tenfold (from the previously familiar airspaces of Egypt and Syria to the internal borders of the Iranian air defense system). In such conditions, the combat range of the F-16C / D was absolutely insufficient for conducting long-range strike operations, especially given the need for constant maneuvering between the positions of anti-aircraft missile batteries and radar-based electronic reconnaissance, which were conducted at ultra-low altitudes, where fuel consumption is very high. The Israeli F-15A / C AN / APG-63 radar did not have an air-to-ground mode, so these vehicles were used either for clearing airspace before an MRAU was performed by F-16C, or for escorting Falcons throughout the operation. Since then, Israeli specialists have begun to look closely at new, multi-purpose tactical vehicles that could carry out long-range combat operations independently, and over territories with a developed enemy air defense system. And at the beginning of 90's, Israeli Defense Ministry specialists, inspired by the high technical capabilities of the F-15E “Strike Eagle”, confirmed during Storm in the Desert, forced the government to conclude a contract for the purchase of 21 with McDonnell Douglas tactical fighter F-15E with some technical changes for the Israeli side. In the Israeli Air Force, the car received the name F-15I “Ra'am” and differed from the transatlantic twin “Strike Eagle” only by the nationally developed EW SPS-2100 complex of national development instead of the original REP system “DEWS” installed on American machines. The powerful AN / APG-70 radar with the ability to carry out DVB and terrain mapping, as well as the LANTIRN advanced aim-navigation optical-electronic complex remain an integral part of the Israeli version of the Eagle.

The Israeli F-25I’s 15 remain the newest fighter from the Eagle family, these aircraft being the only long-range strike aircraft of the country


But time does not stand still, both the airborne radar and the radar image of the F-15I already by the middle of the first decade of the XXI century ceased to pose any threat to such air defense systems as C-300PS, Pantsir-C1, and Tor-M1. , actively entering into service with the Syrian and Iranian armies, and the Israeli Defense Ministry attracted the most sophisticated project - the F-15SE “Silent Eagle”, the rates for which are even higher than on the contract for F-35A.

The first guesses about the possible large-scale modernization of the Israeli Air Force came after information about the possible acquisition of X-NUMX light fighters J-150A and several dozen Su-10 unnamed modifications by the Iranian Air Force, which, under the conditions of lifting the sanctions, will finally be able to completely replace their lost potential. Israeli specialists are gazing at Silent Eagle because it is the only Western tactical multifunctional fighter of the 30 ++ generation, combining speed in 4, combat radius with conformal fuel tanks over 2,3 km and a small radar signature (ESR less than 1500 M1,5). Unlike the F-2A, Rafal and Typhoon, the F-35SE can be most effectively used in the air defense system as a long-range high-speed interceptor, the air superiority fighter, the 15M limited speed capabilities of the first three do not make them worthy interceptors even when using MBDA Meteor air-to-air missiles. In addition, in the BVB, the F-2SE pilots will feel much freer than on the F-15A, since the “Silent Eagle” has a larger area and wing span, as well as a slightly higher thrust-weight ratio, and this high. Recently it became known that the F-35S / SE (using the example of Arabian machines) may have 15 additional underwing and fuselage suspension points to accommodate the 8 AIM-8C-120 / 7 long-range missiles, which confirms the high combat survivability of this machine in the new century. The airborne radar with AFAR AN / APG-8 (V) 63 in long-range tasks is not much inferior to the AN / APG-3 advertised “Lightning” radar, the first in typical targets is up to 81 km, second only to the resolution of the Earth’s mapping, and therefore, the overall F-175SE performance indicator will be significantly higher.

The F-15SE “business card”, which makes it difficult to classify it with an inconspicuous aviation complex of the transitional generation, includes additional internal weapons bays, extensive use of radio-absorbing composites and V-shaped stabilizers that maximally dissipate enemy radar radar


In early October, there was a case of the forced expulsion of the Israeli F-15 by the Russian Su-30CM near the western borders of Syria, apparently the F-15 pilots were assigned the task of ORTR and “probing” the speed of the Russian Aerospace Force near Lattakia, where the Israelis had to leave Lebanon is in complete afterburner, and no one can guarantee that such an incident will not happen again with the participation of more advanced F-15SE in the future, which can lead to very serious consequences. In the DVB, the more subtle “Silent Eagle” is already quite comparable to Su-30CM, this fact should certainly push our leadership to transfer to SAR Su-35С to maintain the security of our contingent, because the first link of F-15C has already arrived at the Turkish a / b Incirlik US Air Force to cover the A-10A attack aircraft (according to the official version). From whom they are going to cover, it is not difficult to guess, because ISIS does not have combat aircraft, and most of the influx weapons in the IG is controlled by the Pentagon itself.

For further forecast of the complicated situation in the region, it remains to wait for details on the number and equipment of future Israeli “Silent” requested from the United States.
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  1. Taagad 9 November 2015 07: 30 New
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    Eh, we would have F-22 instead of F-15 ... Keep quiet sad, keep quiet ...
    1. Same lech 9 November 2015 08: 04 New
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      The F-22 wunderwaffle is propelled and untested in real battles ... moreover, Israeli taxpayers will not want to risk losing this piece of flying gold.
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      2. Mera joota 9 November 2015 09: 08 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        The F-22 prodigy wired and untested in real battles ... and very expensive

        Why not continue on?
        The T-50 / PAK-FA wunderwafer is self-propelled and untested in real battles ... and very expensive

        Or no?
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        2. zadorin1974 9 November 2015 10: 24 New
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          So the T-50 has not yet been accepted into service (American planes are already standing). The fourth unit is undergoing flight tests, what does it have to be a child prodigy. Well, if you compare the cost of the F-22, F-35 and PAK FA programs, the Russian version is several times cheaper.
        3. Same lech 9 November 2015 11: 41 New
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          Why not continue on?


          what Do not continue .... The T-50 is still being tested .... and it is cheaper and more reliable.
      3. gans_sp 9 November 2015 19: 07 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        The Wunderwaffle F-22 is self-propelled and untested in real battles ....
        C'mon, I saw in the transformers, normally they tore the Decepticons there.
    2. ivanovbg 9 November 2015 09: 41 New
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      Quote: Taagad
      Eh, we would have F-22 instead of F-15 ... Keep quiet sad, keep quiet ...


      Immediately they swung to the 22, not a single state in the world would give up its advanced technologies in this way. And what does F-35 not suit you? I do not even know ordered Israel 35's or not? At the worst, restore Lacam and pull the F-22 in pieces, unless of course there are still some secrets for you in the USA.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich 9 November 2015 10: 18 New
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      Quote: Taagad
      . Be quiet, be silent ...

      something you said in words from the Russian romance ... nostalgia? and why the fuck you fu-22? gas sector hollow? so the "eagle" is better able to cope with it, but you will not expect air battles, unless of course you go somewhere ...
    4. 0255 9 November 2015 11: 42 New
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      Quote: Taagad
      Eh, we would have F-22 instead of F-15 ... Keep quiet sad, keep quiet ...

      AIPAC poorly requested F-22 for Israel laughing
    5. FunkschNNX 10 November 2015 17: 52 New
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      They would be friends with normal guys, maybe they would get some export version of the T-50.
  2. Zaurbek 9 November 2015 07: 54 New
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    In general, it is also unclear to me what to ban the export of F-22? And they lose money, and competitors are catching up ... With the size of Israel, I also do not understand why heavy aircraft are needed? Range F-18 or F-35 - "for the eyes." The "middle" class of fighters - just right. Previously, there was no compact CD. and now it is in service with a range of 1000-1300m.
    1. EvilLion 9 November 2015 09: 06 New
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      F-15 with F / A-18E in one weight category actually.
    2. zadorin1974 9 November 2015 10: 26 New
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      You didn’t read the whole article? The Jews need to fly to Iran in zigzags and that would be enough fuel for the return trip.
  3. Hello 9 November 2015 08: 02 New
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    Damn that day is joy on the site.
    In early October, there was a case of forced expulsion of Israeli F-15s by Russian Su-30SM

    Where does the information come from?
    for radical Israel

    I love such articles, radical Israel and democratic Iran.
    obviously not from the benefits that the whole foreign policy of this country is aimed at.

    The author I love you show me misanthropes in foreign policy. fool
    1. Buffalo 9 November 2015 10: 22 New
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      Quote: Hello
      Where does the information come from?

      From the media, of course. Is Israel still not radio-infected? Or hearing problems?
      1. Hello 9 November 2015 10: 46 New
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        Quote: Bison
        From the media, of course

        Seriously? Something neither Israel nor Russia about the incident a word. And in the media today they just don’t write, for example, that a tigress in the Far East gave birth after Putin’s visit. fellow
        1. Andrey Yuryevich 9 November 2015 11: 33 New
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          Quote: Hello
          Quote: Bison
          From the media, of course

          Seriously? Something neither Israel nor Russia about the incident a word. And in the media today they just don’t write, for example, that a tigress in the Far East gave birth after Putin’s visit. fellow

          and donkey, after meeting with Netanyahu ??? request
          1. Hello 9 November 2015 12: 14 New
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            Quote: Andrew Y.
            and donkey, after meeting with Netanyahu ???

            Heh heh i wouldn't be surprised laughing This is what I said that the media just do not write.
  4. Mera joota 9 November 2015 08: 03 New
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    Pretty weird article. The fact is that the F-15SE does not exist in nature and its development will take more time and money than the purchase of additional F-35A. All that Boeing has to offer is a modified F-15SA with AN / APG-82 (V) 1 radar in order to be a little better than the Saudis.
    So the rumors about Silent needles are nothing more than rumors, but the author has almost a serial machine ...
    Well, with regards to Iran. Iran lifts economic sanctions, while the supply of weapons remains banned. So, Iran’s aviation updates are not expected.
    About a possible Russia-Israel conflict in general from the realm of fiction, what should our officials do with Israeli passports then change to Iranian?

    PS: well, for the sake of accuracy ...
    and differed from the overseas twin “Strike Needle” only in the installed complex of electronic warfare SPS-2100 of national design instead of the original electronic warfare system “DEWS” installed on American cars.

    On American F-15E cars, the TEWS (tactical) REP system is installed, rather than DEWS (digital), DEWS is more modern and it is put on the Saudi F-15SA.
    1. Kyrgyz 9 November 2015 09: 35 New
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      Quote: Mera Joota
      Well, with regards to Iran. Iran lifts economic sanctions, while the supply of weapons remains banned. So, Iran’s aviation updates are not expected.

      Air defense is not included in the list of sanctions, its deliveries are stalled due to Russia’s diplomatic agreements with the United States and Israel, how long they will operate. The topic is closed, but Russia will not definitely pay $ 4mrd of compensation, it means you have to or something to offer (and you can always agree with Russia if you offer what it’s worthwhile) or Iran will have anti-aircraft defense, but anti-aircraft defense will not be able to make Iran a BV hegemon, so everything goes as it should, and as for the loss of the possibility of Israeli attacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities, this was illusory even without these supplies.
      As for the Israeli policy, it is no different from the policy of the Iranian CA of Egypt in Turkey in the region, everyone wants to be the first, @ only Russia honestly and free of charge just saves the world from bandits (on the rights of trolling hi )
      1. Mera joota 9 November 2015 18: 24 New
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        Air defense is not included in the list of sanctions

        Aviation is included. It's about airplanes.
    2. Falcon 9 November 2015 09: 40 New
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      Quote: Mera Joota
      PS: well, for the sake of accuracy ...


      The author indicates:

      combat radius with conformal fuel tanks over 1500 km.


      I wonder what kind of conformal tanks there are if weapons were placed in their place

    3. voyaka uh 9 November 2015 17: 38 New
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      for Mera Joota:

      That's right. "Silent Eagle" exists in pair
      laboratory specimens. He was really actively offered to Israel,
      until the first F-35 deal was closed yet.
      But the price for it was offered atomic. Although his improved EPR remained on
      2 orders higher than that of the F-35.
      Israel is going to buy additional F-15, instead of the most
      old people who are from the 70s. But it will be ordinary F-15s.
      Paste them with radar absorbing materials
      we ourselves will be able to smile .
      High "luminosity" on radars - the biggest drawback of the F-15
      (like Sushka, by the way).
      1. Mera joota 9 November 2015 18: 34 New
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        But it will be ordinary F-15s.

        “Ordinary” F-15 no longer exists, so the advanced F-15SA, which is also not bad.
  5. Taagad 9 November 2015 08: 15 New
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    Heavy aircraft are just what is needed to adequately respond to the Iranian threat. But in this role, the F-22 is seen as the ideal device after the planned modernization to expand the capabilities of attack on ground targets.
    1. Hello 9 November 2015 08: 33 New
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      Quote: Taagad
      Heavy aircraft are just what is needed to adequately respond to the Iranian threat. But in this role, the F-22 is seen as the ideal device after the planned modernization to expand the capabilities of attack on ground targets.

      Israel does not need f 22 a waste of money, there are no tasks for it, moreover, it is very expensive. IMHO
    2. rotmistr60 9 November 2015 08: 50 New
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      For Taagad

      Yes, you even get flying saucers. The main thing is not to stick into the sphere of our interests and do not harm in international politics. Learn to be friends with Russia better.
    3. EvilLion 9 November 2015 09: 07 New
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      Modernization by the type of complete alteration of the airframe, since there was no plan to load anything into the compartments of the narrow air-to-air missiles and will not interfere.
      1. saturn.mmm 9 November 2015 11: 56 New
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        Modernization as a complete alteration of the glider,

        There, the avionics are brought to the level of F-35, or rather they put a new one, it’s not very cheap, they do not seem to touch the glider.
  6. Same lech 9 November 2015 08: 26 New
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    Quote: Taagad
    But in this role, the F-22 is seen as the ideal device after the planned modernization to expand the capabilities of attack on ground targets.



    I did not understand something. ISRAEL plans to wipe Iran off the face of the earth by ground bombing? ....
    then the IRAN should logically and legally defend itself by acquiring means of protection against attacks from such aircraft.
  7. Taagad 9 November 2015 08: 40 New
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    Quote: Hello
    Quote: Taagad
    Heavy aircraft are just what is needed to adequately respond to the Iranian threat. But in this role, the F-22 is seen as the ideal device after the planned modernization to expand the capabilities of attack on ground targets.

    Israel does not need f 22 a waste of money, there are no tasks for it, moreover, it is very expensive. IMHO



    That is why our Air Force requested the F-22 and was refused ...
    1. Samarin 9 November 2015 09: 26 New
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      Quote: Taagad
      That is why our Air Force requested the F-22 and was refused ...

      Break off!
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    3. Kyrgyz 9 November 2015 09: 41 New
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      That is why our Air Force requested the F-22 and was refused ...

      It’s expensive for them, but Israel is also not a fact that they will give money for them))))
      1. Buffalo 9 November 2015 10: 18 New
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        The worst thing is if the "invisible" F-22 is shot down in Syria.
        Then, the project will die, essentially without being born ... And they will beat it there exactly like Lockheed F-117 Night Hawk, in Serbia.
        1. saturn.mmm 9 November 2015 11: 58 New
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          . And they will knock him there for sure,

          Actually, he has been flying there since spring, still not shot down.
      2. NIKNN 9 November 2015 20: 02 New
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        Kyrgyzstan (1) Today, 09:41

        It’s expensive for them, but Israel is also not a fact that they will give money for them))))


        That's it! Israel asks for armaments as help, providing pleasure in exchange for the states, slightly reminding that they cannot find the best and most reliable partners in this region. request
  8. wild 9 November 2015 09: 30 New
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    Well, here is an example of a sound approach to aviation. Do not break your spears or wring your hands about the 5 generation. They calmly buy and modernize the previous one and do not buzz. Dreams of raptors will remain so, although of course in years through 20 I will sell them to them. In the meantime, it’s cool that light does not take into account, so why buy them at all? For show-offs? To bulo.
    1. Kyrgyz 9 November 2015 09: 52 New
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      Quote: wild
      Well, here is an example of a sound approach to aviation. Do not break your spears or wring your hands about the 5 generation. They calmly buy and modernize the previous one and do not buzz. Dreams of raptors will remain so, although of course in years through 20 I will sell them to them. In the meantime, it’s cool that light does not take into account, so why buy them at all? For show-offs? To bulo.

      So they assume a confrontation with an enemy who does not have 5th generation cars, they do not assume a war with NATO, the PRC of the Russian Federation, but against the fact that Turkey has an Iranian SA, this should be enough, there’s nothing to say about any partisans
  9. Buffalo 9 November 2015 10: 07 New
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    A closed zone 600 km from Latakia means that Israel, too, flew over Syria and at home - their aircraft there are not combat-ready, where the EW "Lever" system works.
    And the S-300, standing on a Russian ship, is too tough for Israel and NATO.
    1. Taagad 9 November 2015 10: 35 New
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      And if it’s too tough? How can you know? After all, the C300 never participated in the fighting ...
      1. 0255 9 November 2015 12: 05 New
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        Quote: Taagad
        And if it’s too tough? How can you know? After all, the C300 never participated in the fighting ...

        F-22 also did not participate in serious hostilities except for the bombing of Syria to simulate the fight against ISIS, but you are already my third Jew with the VO, worried about the fact that he did not get into the kosher air force. Many of your compatriots praise the F-35, also not fought anywhere
    2. Hello 9 November 2015 10: 49 New
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      A closed zone 600 km from Latakia means that Israel, too, flew over Syria and at home - their aircraft there are not combat-ready, where the EW "Lever" system works.
      And the S-300, standing on a Russian ship, is too tough for Israel and NATO.

      Yeah, despite the fact that Haifa is already 440 kilometers from Latakia. "Specialist" from afar to see. fool
      1. Arzoo 9 November 2015 23: 27 New
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        What the hell difference does the S-300 bring down the F-15 or not? They’ll deliver the S-400, Russia won’t put it, China will put the Duc, nobody will put the Duc, they blind themselves from the opportunities that have opened up. Israel has a year, a maximum of two, to solve the Iranian problem. Otherwise, in two years, Iran will begin to solve the Israeli problem. It is obvious. I’m really wondering what Netanyahu hopes for: God, a miracle, Moshiach, Trump, Turkey falling apart or the Persians becoming pacifists or Khamenei together with spiritual advice themselves will suicide? What can you say about this?
  10. Aroma77 9 November 2015 11: 08 New
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    And if it’s too tough? How can you know? After all, the C300 never participated in the fighting ...

    And you try, at the same time and check!
    1. shat56 10 November 2015 16: 20 New
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      Quote: Aroma77
      Quote: Taagad
      And if it’s too tough? How can you know? After all, the C300 never participated in the fighting ...

      And you try, at the same time and check!

      They have already tried when, either the Luxembourg Air Force, or the Liechtenstein Air Force bombed, the nuclear reactor under construction in Syria, guarded by Russian air defense, which only learned from the media about the bombing.
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  11. Termit1309 9 November 2015 11: 34 New
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    Quote: wild
    Well, here is an example of a sound approach to aviation. Do not break your spears or wring your hands about the 5 generation. They calmly buy and modernize the previous one and do not buzz. Dreams of raptors will remain so, although of course in years through 20 I will sell them to them. In the meantime, it’s cool that light does not take into account, so why buy them at all? For show-offs? To bulo.

    Common sense is present only in the imagination of the author. Israel will be given the F-35. He will take what they give.
  12. Abrekkos 9 November 2015 11: 53 New
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    Quote: Bison
    And the S-300, standing on a Russian ship, is too tough for Israel and NATO.


    Eeee sweetheart. If you had at least a distant idea of ​​what you are writing about, you would never have written such a thing. In this case, the main thing is not numbers but letters. There is a Lada 5 and a BMW 5 so I will tell you a secret that you have mixed up one with the other.

    S-300F standing on the "Moscow" is perhaps the most unsuccessful air defense system of Russia and maybe the entire developed world over the past 30 years.
    She has very little in common with the ground-based S-300 variants. In fact, only TPK and rocket (which is rather bad than good). The rest of the S-300F has its own. And the SAM is 80% locator, which she has her own and very not very. This can be seen with an unarmed look at the cruiser Moscow and from 10 km. And the design of the CPC is such that there is no talk of repulsing a massive attack from aviation. Even new missiles of the 9M96 type are not in Moscow (and not only on it). So all this only works as part of a powerful ship formation, which the Russian Federation is not yet able to create. There are already many fingers of one hand to recount our ships even with a similar not ideal air defense system (it also has excellent overall dimensions) and the prospects are not bright.

    I do not know any specialists from ours, let alone foreign, who would praise this system. In the best case, "it’s good that at least they did this."
    The S-300F, unlike the ground-based S-300, even did another enterprise not Almaz-Antey but Altair (Almaz-Antey could not do at all).
    And unlike the quite worthy ground complexes S-300 / C-400 (approximately equal to the American Patriots), the S-300F air defense systems can not be compared with the air defense systems of a potential enemy, alas.
    If you want to make sure yourself and have at least a secondary education, just look at the pictures of our main striking force - Moscow and foreign ships of the same class.

    So with a coordinated and competent attack, even the Israeli Air Force will blanket our Moscow at a time. Another thing is that they would never agree to this.

    Whether we like it or not, it is.

    About EW "Lever" generally keep quiet because I don’t understand what are you talking about? And what 600km? She has completely different tasks and most reasonable specialists in general were against her use in Syria and now against. It all happened from "fear has big eyes." I think this is a strategic mistake, even without a tactical victory.
    1. rotmistr60 9 November 2015 12: 08 New
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      in a coordinated and competent attack, even the Israeli Air Force will extinguish our Moscow at a time.

      Eeee sweetheart
      How are you incurred. You would at least take “Moscow” in quotation marks. And you might think that the conversation has already begun about the capital. And so worthless to doubt the capabilities of the Russian fleet.
  13. Abrekkos 9 November 2015 12: 25 New
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    There is no reason to doubt the capabilities of the Russian fleet


    Unfortunately, I do not doubt them. In this part, I just know them.

    And for “Moscow” to blame, I’ll correct. Now only: the Guards missile cruiser "Moscow", the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. Well, or if you will allow for brevity GRKR "Moscow".

    And it happened because it was painful. Flushed, was wrong. Ready to make amends.
  14. Odysseus 9 November 2015 12: 43 New
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    Forgive me the author, but the article is some kind of nonsense.
    In the Syrian Air Force in 1979 (and during the Lebanon war) there was no MiG-23 ML.
    For Israel, an agreement on Iran is not a "headache" at all, creating a headache for Israel with the participation of the United States is impossible.
    Israel’s strategic assets are nuclear weapons and missile defense systems, not F-15.
    The Armed Forces of Iran and Syria do not receive S-300PS, "Shell-S1" (S-300 will only be part of the Iranian Armed Forces, Syria also does not have a Torah).
    Eagle left Syrian airspace after the departure of the Su-30, but this does not mean that they should arrange any kind of aerial combat.
    There is no information about the purchase of Silent Needle by Israel (unlike the purchase of the F-35A). Well, etc., etc.
  15. Abrekkos 9 November 2015 13: 18 New
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    Quote: Odyssey
    Forgive me the author, but the article is some kind of nonsense.
    In the Syrian Air Force in 1979 (and during the Lebanon war) there was no MiG-23 ML.
    For Israel, an agreement on Iran is not a "headache" at all, creating a headache for Israel with the participation of the United States is impossible.
    Israel’s strategic assets are nuclear weapons and missile defense systems, not F-15.
    The Armed Forces of Iran and Syria do not receive S-300PS, "Shell-S1" (S-300 will only be part of the Iranian Armed Forces, Syria also does not have a Torah).
    Eagle left Syrian airspace after the departure of the Su-30, but this does not mean that they should arrange any kind of aerial combat.
    There is no information about the purchase of Silent Needle by Israel (unlike the purchase of the F-35A). Well, etc., etc.


    I don’t even want to comment on the article. This is just some kind of comedy of mistakes.

    What is the mere proposal to transfer the Su-35 to Syria? What's this? Is it mozahism or wrecking or what?
    To transfer the most promising, but useless in the given conditions plane that has not even come close to combat readiness at the base where people are busy with business. In addition, the object is constantly threatened by a direct ground attack by the enemy and in a state of readiness for evacuation.
    This can occur to either a desperate or completely inadequate person.
    1. padded jacket 9 November 2015 15: 47 New
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      Israel, as always, wants to get these weapons for free, that is, free of charge due to assistance from the USA, but the USA itself is clearly against smile
      Obama Denies Netanyahu's Request
      The US administration does not intend to increase military assistance to Israel.
      The Netanyahu government is asking for an increase in the supply of US weapons by two billion dollars a year to offset the sharply increased danger from Iran and its allies.
      http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/11/08/smi--obama-otvetit-otkazom-na-p
      rosbi-netaniyagu /
      Meanwhile, an agreement on the supply of S-300 to Iran has been signed smile
  16. silver_roman 9 November 2015 18: 00 New
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    very impressive if you really managed to reduce the EPR of the F-15 to 1.5 m2. Interestingly, they use inclined keels as in the 5th generation. Interestingly, the su-27 did not include such an option? And then the EPR is 10 times more than ours.
    Question to the specialists: what are we doing to lower the ESR or do not worry much at all?
    1. NIKNN 9 November 2015 20: 11 New
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      I would not want to develop the topic "who is cooler" again, phrases like
      combat range of 1500 - 1600 km, speed 2650 km / h

      Well, why rush parameters from the performance characteristics? these are the maximum possible parameters such as records for this AT. In real life, with a set of equipment and weapons for specific tasks, they do not stand next to these numbers. what
      1. silver_roman 12 November 2015 12: 11 New
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        Quote: NIKNN
        combat range of 1500 - 1600 km, speed 2650 km / h

        That is all clear. Now especially such parameters are not needed. When reaching a speed of 2.5M, the fuel will run out in 15 minutes.
        It’s just that the EPR is impressive, namely, updating the airframe and other measures to reduce it.
    2. Odysseus 9 November 2015 21: 29 New
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      Quote: silver_roman
      very impressive if you really managed to reduce the EPR of the F-15 to 1.5 m2.

      Yes, it’s impressive, but these are advertising numbers, and it’s without weapons / ptb on external suspensions, and it won’t fly without them.
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      Interestingly, the su-27 did not include such an option?

      This option is actually a redesign of the aircraft. Moreover, the plane (Silent Eagle) turned out to be very expensive. For all the might of such a TNC as a Boeing, no one has been able to sell it yet.
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      And then the EPR is 10 times more than ours.

      With pendants, I guess, three times.
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      What are we doing to reduce EPR or not much at all?

      RPM is coated, the coating is ennobled, but there are no such drastic measures as on Silent (except for the T-50, of course).
  17. Catafract 10 November 2015 00: 57 New
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    Everyone knows that the Iranian “nuclear deal” concluded between the leaders of Iran and the Six countries turned into a real headache for a radically inclined Israel, which all the time and with all sorts of foreign policy instruments strove for a forceful method of influencing Iran’s “nuclear program”.

    Survived, the "peaceful" Islamists of Iran, who each time threaten the total destruction of Israel, and the "radical" Israel, which is so pleased that it voluntarily left Sinai and withdrew troops from Lebanon and Gaza ...
    Israel just lacks radicalism, then these dogs would not dare to raise their eyes.