"BP": import dependence of helicopter builders will soon be minimized

The dependence of "Russian Helicopters" on foreign components in the coming years will be minimized, reports RIA News report of the general director of the holding Alexander Mikheev.




“We can safely say that in the coming years, the dependence of the Russian helicopter industry on the supply of foreign products will be minimized,” the general director said at the air show opened in Dubai.

Он напомнил, что в конце 2014-го был построен первый Ми-8АМТШ-В с использованием российских комплектующих.

«В целях снижения зависимости от зарубежных поставщиков все вертолёты Ми-8АМТШ-В оснащены современным российским оборудованием, в том числе двигателями ВК-2500 производства компании "Климов", вспомогательными силовыми установками ТА-14 производства НПП "Аэросила"», – сказал Михеев.

“The Russian-made BMS satellite navigation system installed on the Mi-8AMTSH-B can work with both the domestic GLONASS system and foreign GPS,” he noted. “A modern communications system, also made in Russia, is provided by the helicopter’s crew with high-quality communications in a wide frequency range.”

According to him, “the implementation of the import substitution program should not be taken as a refusal of Russian enterprises to cooperate with foreign companies in the development and production of high-tech products.”

“In particular, the holding“ Helicopters of Russia ”continues to successfully cooperate with organizations from China and India, as well as with European companies. We are not going to “close” in ourselves and are always ready for constructive and mutually beneficial cooperation with partners from any countries, ”said the general director.

“In general, the implementation of the import substitution program, if we talk about helicopter technology, clearly showed that industry and Russian specialists can offer not only competitive products, but also samples that excel foreign analogues in their characteristics and technical solutions”- stated Mikheev.
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  1. Vladimyrych 8 November 2015 13: 14 New
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    import dependence ... will soon be minimized


    I would rather. Always infuriated that Russia somehow sideways depends on someone. This became especially evident in connection with the country of 404.
    Связи и взаимовыгодная торговля - да. Но зависимости ни в коем случае нельзя допускать.
    1. MIKHAN 8 November 2015 13: 23 New
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      Goodbye Ukraine ... We tried to agree, but alas! In general, Thank you, we will open more jobs .. And we have a good lesson for the future ...!
      1. avg
        avg 8 November 2015 14: 19 New
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        And Ukraine had to share many specialists. If it goes on like this, then the percentage of the "maydanutyh" will soon exceed the critical mass.
        1. Maxom75 8 November 2015 19: 48 New
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          Ukraine is quietly repeating the fate of Bulgaria, it was a country with industry and developed agriculture. It turned into a country with a personal subsidiary agricultural, without industry living on EU subsidies. In short, who aspired to what he achieved. And off topic Vladimir Putin ordered to work out the issue of restoring the production of IL-96 with new engines, and this is goodbye to the Boeing 737 and Airbus.
          1. Alf
            Alf 8 November 2015 20: 10 New
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            Quote: Maxom75
            And off topic Vladimir Putin ordered to work out the issue of restoring the production of IL-96 with new engines, and this is goodbye to the Boeing 737 and Airbus.

            Putin obliged a lot of things, but only put something on his decrees.
            Well, they’ll make the 96th, and who will take it? How many times have we held meetings and decided to take only our aviation, and the airlines said, we will purchase Boeing and Airbus. The other day, some of our low-cost airlines again declared-Take the 737th Boeing.
            1. Aksakal_07 8 November 2015 21: 51 New
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              Quote: Alf
              The other day, some of our low-cost airlines again declared-Take the 737th Boeing.

              A strange situation with the only low-cost airline in Russia. The company claims to have some preferences from the state and even received them, but is registered in offshore. A year or two will pass, and then the regulatory authorities will be amazed how it happened that the low-cost airline went bankrupt and the company's assets were stolen?
              1. 34 region 8 November 2015 23: 28 New
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                Elementary Watson (Aksakal 07)! Some in proportion others are not in the subject! And why you were not given a license to kill (two zeros).
            2. 34 region 8 November 2015 23: 25 New
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              It’s like officials obliged to ride Kalina, and not geldings, cruisers, behi. You can limit the upper price limit of equipment, you can oblige to buy with tax breaks, you can create a state-owned company. Today the question is how to buy a foreign car under sanctions? Or does this not apply to airplanes? Though! If you try, then the issue can be resolved both in one direction and in the other.
            3. Maxom75 9 November 2015 00: 17 New
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              Maybe this is Putin’s problem? Maybe it’s time for him to clean the ranks not by the method of permutations, but by the method of dismissals for non-performance? Maybe you should repeat Singapore mushrooms?
              1. 34 region 9 November 2015 00: 54 New
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                Plant your three best friends? You know what they were imprisoned for and they know what they sat for! It is doubtful however. To do this, we must abandon Sobchak, Yeltsin, Gaidar ...
                1. Maxom75 9 November 2015 01: 15 New
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                  I will accept with satisfaction the sentence of life imprisonment of Chubais, Medvedev, Zubkov, Serdyukov, Golikova, Ulyukaev, Nabiulina. In general, it’s time to conduct the Gaidar’s team on a lifelong retirement to the White Swan.
          2. Alexey-74 9 November 2015 11: 04 New
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            Ukraine - for which it fought and ran into something. For the sake of the American oligarchic group, the whole country was prosralized
      2. V.ic 8 November 2015 14: 26 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And a good lesson to us for the future ...!

        Unfortunately, the powers that be are held neither by me, nor by our odnoforumane not Decree!
        1. vell.65 8 November 2015 16: 23 New
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          What to complain about, we ourselves choose this power.
        2. dmi.pris 8 November 2015 17: 55 New
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          Yes, there is something to work on ... Who to replace your own fools with ... Only the purpose of the "stool" WHAT IT IS ..
          Quote: V.ic
          Quote: MIKHAN
          And a good lesson to us for the future ...!

          Unfortunately, the powers that be are held neither by me, nor by our odnoforumane not Decree!
      3. Sterlya 8 November 2015 17: 55 New
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        but in general it’s bad to depend on whom, especially from the khozlov.
        Те то воообще безбашенные. Наконецто всем стало понятно про "братьев" хохлов дармоедов. Мне татарину Эти" некогда братьями не были. Не встретил я в жизни ни одного нормального хозхла, беда, ставьте минусы. РУССКИЕ, Белоруссы, Казахи. Все норм. Но не Хозлы. Всегда так было, хохлы против России были, бесполезно. Ихнадо в сша ив ЕС срочно. Они там быстро все разрушат wassat
      4. allexx623 8 November 2015 20: 28 New
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        They are (Ukrainians) только так договариваться могут
      5. allexx623 8 November 2015 20: 28 New
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        They are (Ukrainians) только так договариваться могут
      6. NEXUS 8 November 2015 23: 30 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Goodbye Ukraine ... We tried to agree, but alas! In general, Thank you, we will open more jobs .. And we have a good lesson for the future ...!

        I would like it to be not only in helicopter industry ...
    2. Vladimirets 8 November 2015 13: 36 New
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      Quote: Vladimir
      Russia somehow depends on someone

      There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.
      1. venaya 8 November 2015 13: 43 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

        Oh my God! And how many times has this roasted cock already ... As they say: "History teaches that it teaches nothing."
      2. hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 03 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

        The rooster has nothing to do with it :: the economy is in the hands of liberals.
        Here's an example for you: when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this certainly advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.
        1. 34 region 8 November 2015 16: 21 New
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          And who used GLONASS? Why is it better than JPs? Judging by the navigator, the GPS is a dumb system.
          1. serezhasoldatow 8 November 2015 17: 58 New
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            Deviation on the armored personnel carrier from the point + - 3-5 meters
          2. figter 8 November 2015 18: 35 New
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            It was somehow walking in the head of the column. The terrain is unfamiliar, virtually no landmarks. Fortunately, there was a device for determining coordinates by satellite, and there was a choice of GLONASS - NAVSTAR. At first I walked along GLONASS, everything seemed to converge. Then the Russian satellite crashed, found the NAVSTAR satellite. So he gave me such a thing that my heart attack almost moved me! He waited well for GLONASS and rechecked.
            1. Slavin 8 November 2015 19: 55 New
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              It would seem that here Luzhkov
          3. pilot8878 8 November 2015 19: 38 New
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            Quote: 34 region
            And who used GLONASS? Why is it better than JPs?

            Now GLONASS is better in everything: both faster and more accurately. A couple - three years ago, GLONASS was lagging behind - the signal disappeared, there was a noticeable error, but gradually all these problems became obsolete. Somewhere information flashed that the GLOnASS satellite constellation had already become larger than GPS. Stability at a high level. So I recommend it.
        2. dmi.pris 8 November 2015 18: 05 New
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          The economy, like everything else, is in the hands of the FAMILY .... And it seems that in the West they were taken for the most painful place ... for the money that lies there. And this is not about the "liberals", but about what they will do what they will be ordered ..
          Quote: hydrox
          Quote: Vladimirets
          There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

          The rooster has nothing to do with it :: the economy is in the hands of liberals.
          Here's an example for you: when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this certainly advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.
          1. flay 9 November 2015 00: 33 New
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            Quote: dmi.pris
            The economy, like everything else, is in the hands of the FAMILY .... And it seems that in the West they were taken for the most painful place ... for the money that lies there. And this is not about the "liberals", but about what they will do what they will be ordered ..
            Quote: hydrox
            Quote: Vladimirets
            There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

            The rooster has nothing to do with it :: the economy is in the hands of liberals.
            Here's an example for you: when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this certainly advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.


            Not quite correct statement from you hi .
            Family and relatives have nothing to do with it no .
            Как-то слышал выражение: - У бизнесменов нет родины(поэтому и с маленькой буквы) или гражданства. Только бизнес и ничего личного. Хнык crying Unfortunately
        3. veksha50 8 November 2015 20: 41 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this unconditionally advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.



          Hmm ... Ask yourself another question, why not a single branch of Sberbank of Russia in the Crimea (which means in Russia !!!) does not work ... The reason is the same ... They are afraid that they will impose sanctions on French and Ukrainian subsidiaries. ..

          The question is - what else to fear if Sberbank and VTB are under personal (!!!) sanctions !!! And Crimea is our territory !!!

          Annoyed ... and - ashamed ... for Sberbank ... Gref is his mother ...
          1. oracul 9 November 2015 07: 52 New
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            Не берусь судить: не хватает информации. Но думаю, что здесь не все так просто, как кажется. Если край нужно, обрубят и Греф не поможет. Это показали события в Египте. И рассуждения о роли "семьи", мягко говоря, странноватые. Нет сомнений, было бы что-то реальное уже давно бы прижали. Ведь ясно как божий день - Россия отбилась от рук и ведет не просто самостоятельную политику неугодную Западу, а по сути против него. Не стоит перепевать с голоса Навального и прочей шелупени. Они решают свою задачу - посеять в народе сомнение, а там видно будет, куда кривая вывезет.
      3. evil partisan 8 November 2015 14: 44 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        fried cock .. and then on to the test.

        I’m even embarrassed to ask: what do they write with THERE? what
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 8 November 2015 13: 51 New
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      Everything that concerns our weapons should be made only with us! And it would be better to completely abandon imports from semi-hostile countries.
      1. hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 10 New
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        Quote: Tor5
        And it would be better to completely abandon imports from semi-hostile countries.


        Yeah, everyone immediately ran to refuse ...
        Rosatom has a portfolio of orders worth tens of billions of dollars. There are factories in Russia for the production of special valves for nuclear power plants, with all the licenses and international permits, and so what? - but they are idle, despite the fact that RosAtom, under the guise of gasket companies, is buying valves for nuclear power plants and transport and power reactors from Czechs, Germans, and French, despite any sanctions, at the same time at an exorbitant price. Motor Sich is a penny in comparison with the tricks of Rosatom.
        Now tell me, is this not a betrayal in our liberal government?
        1. SgaSuperblade
          SgaSuperblade 8 November 2015 14: 31 New
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          this circuit is quite old. nonetheless applied wherever possible. I think everyone remembers the story of playgrounds in Moscow for 12 million each. Competitions are held in such a way as to crowd out all undesirable candidates, and then cut down the rollback from the company that won by prior arrangement.
          Our enemies do not need to fly on an airplane, do not go far in a tank and shoot with intercontinental missiles. Our enemies are here, nestled among us. Their families are all over the hill, and they are YET here. The military decided not to index salaries for the next 2 years. What do you think, how much richer during this time will all the top managers of state enterprises and the government that works for them become?
          1. Tatyana 8 November 2015 15: 00 New
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            hydrox (2)
            ... isn't that a betrayal in our liberal government?
            Of course, cheating!
            For all Russian "liberal worms" everywhere in the Russian Federation act exclusively in their financially speculative "repertoire" sucking off the country's budget.
        2. veksha50 8 November 2015 20: 47 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          There is in Russia factories for the production of special valves for nuclear power plants, with all licenses and international permits, and so what? - but they are idle, despite the fact that RosAtom, under the guise of gasket companies, purchases valves for nuclear power plants and power-transport reactors among Czechs, Germans, French,


          Exactly !!! Our factory is almost destroyed, and, I think, with the help of the Czech Germans ...

          There was a joint stock company - they bought up shares from workers, turned it into a closed joint stock company, and the devil knows who the owner is now ... Some kind of firm on some islands, you’ll break your tongue ...

          And there was a time when he supplied shutoff valves for gas, oil pipelines and for nuclear power plants to almost half of the countries of the world ...
        3. ty60 8 November 2015 20: 47 New
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          Catch? How to catch, put on a stake! By all means!
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    5. hydrox 8 November 2015 13: 58 New
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      But in no case should dependencies be allowed.

      For some reason, our liberal-treacherous pr-in does not want to listen to us.
      Their goals are completely opposite to our "Eurasianism."
    6. rpek32 8 November 2015 15: 44 New
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      how annoying these breakfasts are. that's when there will be a headline in the news "we have reduced import dependence to zero. The entire production cycle from the iron bar to the helicopter is now in the Russian Federation" - then there will be something to talk about. but until then, thanks. already ate
    7. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 16: 44 New
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      Quote: Vladimir
      Always infuriated that Russia somehow sideways depends on someone.

      This can be explained even by the fact that there are fewer than 146 million of us compared with almost one and a half billion China and the same India, with more than eight hundred million Europe, not to mention the Americas, this is a drop in the bucket. And this drop shows excellent results despite our small numbers.
      1. 34 region 8 November 2015 22: 40 New
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        Our numbers are commensurate with Japan. AND?
        1. Setrac 9 November 2015 11: 02 New
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          Unlike Russia, Japan is not in itself; moreover, Japan does not produce a huge range of goods.
    8. War and Peace 8 November 2015 17: 55 New
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      the helicopter more and more incorporates various innovations, here there is a radar, and optical stations, different sensors and brao, new weapons, and the helicopter’s weight and volume are added, only the power of the motors remains constant, in short NEW ENGINES NEED to drag all this increased mass and volume ...
    9. vodolaz 8 November 2015 19: 42 New
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      I wonder who now Motor Sich will sell engines?
      1. Basarev 8 November 2015 20: 41 New
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        The only bad thing is that these Mi-8AMTS and similar Mi-8MTV-5 are trying to replace combat helicopters, although they are not intended for this, not to mention the fact that for more than half a century the eight are completely and irrevocably outdated morally and technically.
    10. mihasik
      mihasik 9 November 2015 00: 54 New
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      Quote: Vladimir
      I would rather. Always infuriated that Russia somehow sideways depends on someone.

      NO offense.
      It would be better if it infuriated when, from 1985, with Mecheny and from 1991, with the Alcoholic, everyone together galloped on the bones of the domestic military-industrial complex. Then everyone was happy with a liter of Royal alcohol and a Yupi sachet in the place of juice for zapivon, and nobody needed this military-industrial complex for horseradish.
      And now what, all the patriots suddenly sobered up, remembered the native defense industry and were preoccupied with import substitution?)
    11. Alexey-74 9 November 2015 11: 02 New
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      it pleases, it's high time .... the weapons of the Russian Federation should not depend on imports, even by 1%
  2. Armored optimist 8 November 2015 13: 14 New
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    Poor shit! Yourself a sickle ... panimash!
    1. Major Yurik 8 November 2015 13: 30 New
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      Quote: armored optimist
      Poor shit! Yourself a sickle ... panimash!


      There, a sickle has not found a substance for cutting off for a long time, it has already been scattered before us! laughing
  3. avt
    avt 8 November 2015 13: 15 New
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    Well, that's fine. This is soon the tale of import substitution for the year affects, but not soon the real thing is done, especially when we are not 37 years old, and by and large for the words and promises of responsibility, the responsible comrades do not bear. The figure eight inspires in the article
  4. Mountain shooter 8 November 2015 13: 21 New
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    Реально заменить большинство узлов - два года очень напряженной работы, включая ускоренную сертификацию, наиболее сложные приборные позиции 3-5 лет. Это разумные сроки, все остальное - слишком оптимистично.
    Work is ongoing, I’m participating in it myself. Late in a bit of a snap. It’s good that all the documentation is ours, there’s almost no need to develop.
    1. hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 22 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It’s good that all the documentation is ours, there’s almost no need to develop.

      An optimistic answer is already good.
      Но ведь и разработками надо заниматься, а как это делать, когда нашей Академии наук снова либерасты бюджет урезали?
      That’s all, the Soviet backlog has already ended (yes, taking into account the fact that he moved to permanent residence for a long time to enemies). I believe that everyone knows that Mercury, Lever, Khibiny and Kraukha were invented and made already in Russia, and not in the Union - that’s how it all needs to be developed and improved (our Sushka, armed with the Khibiny, with a hundred-kilometer radar can safely go against the Raptor with a three hundred-kilometer radar, not afraid to be shot down by someone unknown and from where (I exaggerate, of course).
    2. Amurets 8 November 2015 14: 34 New
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      Mikheev seems to be not a rapper like Poghosyants and the company. But all the same, the documentation is one technological process is another. And then the financial part: taxes should be somewhere no more than 13%. Loans no more than 10%. That's then we can say about import substitution. Where to get the money? Yes, all these retail chains from the EU: Pyaterochka, Cash & Carry, McDonald's are registered abroad, pay taxes 95%, 5% for everything else they have enough. There you can find it even if you fumble. Peter the First found.
  5. Thunderbolt 8 November 2015 13: 27 New
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    According to him, “the implementation of the import substitution program should not be taken as a refusal of Russian enterprises to cooperate with foreign companies in the development and production of high-tech products.”
    “In particular, Russian Helicopters continues to successfully cooperate with organizations from China and India, as well as with European companies.
    It seems that the Ukrainians did the engine segment and a number of additional subsystems. How did they replace it? Big contracts with India warm my soul --- and we and the Indians will be better off fighting the Chinese. On the other hand, we developed a drummer with Chinese partners and we want to produce a heavy rotorcraft. What is this multi-directional position of Russia? Under the USSR, the front line and military-technical cooperation was clearly delineated.
    1. hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 40 New
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      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Under the USSR, the front line and military-technical cooperation was clearly delineated.

      That's all, except for one thing: liberals from the Republic of Pr still think that EVERYTHING should be done within the framework of the global division of labor, even if it concerns sovereignty and defense security, and that money should be saved on this.
      There is little sense in this, but only when WE DO ALL development ourselves, and divide production. In the example, the Carapace :: we designed it according to the application and financing of the Saudis, but then we modernized it and now the armament is equipped with a device with a technical characteristics that are significantly improved against the Saudi standard.
      1. asiat_61 8 November 2015 15: 40 New
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        I wonder who puts the dash? Justify.
        1. Bayonet 8 November 2015 17: 21 New
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          Quote: asiat_61
          I wonder who puts the dash? Justify.

          Who cares who? They constantly put me without any justification, usually this is done when there is nothing to say, so to speak "from a big mind" smile
          1. Bayonet 9 November 2015 02: 29 New
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            They constantly put me without any justification,

            Well, here's another one! laughing
      2. 34 region 8 November 2015 16: 26 New
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        Yes! Globalization is a dangerous thing. Some oil is extracted. Other tourists are served, the third money is stored. And only one country controls it all! Wisely!
      3. Thunderbolt 9 November 2015 10: 49 New
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        Quote: hydrox
        liberals from the Pr-v still believe that everything should be done within the global division of labor,
        But what is the most important of the most important of our liberals does not fool? Why does this great gentleman not give a kick to the ass of this liberal Caudle, column 5 ts And why does this gentleman always position unity and approval of the cabinet’s actions on the public?
        Quote: hydrox
        Now the armament is equipped with a device with a TTX, significantly improved against the Saudi standard.
        Ой ли.Во первых арабы хоть и враги,но не лохи точно.Плохую машинку не купят.Как можно урезать возможности боегого комплекса я понимаю,но у транспортной вертухайки как это сделать?И ещё..скорбно скажу иностранцам идёт изделие о чём русский военный не мечтает и даже не знает.Заграничный контрактёр такие девайсы в поставку впихивает,что и не снились росприборстроению)))
  6. venaya 8 November 2015 13: 32 New
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    the implementation of the import substitution program should not be perceived as a refusal of Russian enterprises to cooperate with foreign companies in the development and production of high-tech products

    What are you talking about? There are important provisions of the country's strategic security, there is no division into the degree of manufacturability, here the question is primarily about technologies related to independence in the creation and production of the military and shadow industry and, therefore, ultimately about the country's security.
  7. Sasha75 8 November 2015 13: 39 New
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    So let’s make a toast to quickly.
    1. Sling cutter 8 November 2015 15: 55 New
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      Quote: Sasha75
      So let’s make a toast to quickly.

      If you bother about every promise you can sleep yes
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    3. russmensch 8 November 2015 18: 03 New
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      And where is such beauty that in the photo? According to Ukrainian beliefs, all our food has long been on coupons, we ate all hedgehogs and eat up sick beavers. And then there’s such a dream ... Has the package arrived from the EU? laughing hi drinks
    4. veksha50 8 November 2015 19: 13 New
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      So let’s make a toast to quickly.


      Many will vote for such import substitution ... I, including ...

      Just don’t get carried away ... And then one - the first president - was addicted, I almost drank the whole country ... along with the people ...
  8. smith7 8 November 2015 13: 43 New
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    From ce peremoga :)! Import substitution for electronic components too? Or are there only circuits of the 133 and 155 series as 30-40 years ago? In the heap of sets of Soviet design documentation, the element base is manufactured by the republics of the USSR and in Voronezh, Novgorod ... There are even products that are still made according to the drawings drawn in the frequency response system, and not ESKD! In addition to Voronezh (mass production technology level of 1985), is there anything in the Russian Federation? Victory reports in this area should be expected no earlier than 2025, and then if you start financially and intellectually, the investment will be done today. Where is the federal target program for ERI, Comrade Rogozin? Maybe it’s not specifically needed, but someone else is drowning in the "mud" ... Well, at least they decided with the engine for the helicopter ... I’ve lost my mind ...
    1. V.ic 8 November 2015 14: 29 New
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      There are even products in production that are still being made according to drawings drawn in the frequency response system, and not ESKD! In addition to Voronezh (mass production technology level of 1985), is there anything in the Russian Federation? Victory reports in this area should be expected no earlier than 2025, and then if you start financially and intellectually, the investment will be done today. Where is the federal target program for ERI, Comrade Rogozin? Mozht and not specifically needed, but someone else but everything is drowning in the "mud" ..

      A very logical question! I am joining.
  9. pilot bin-bom 8 November 2015 13: 56 New
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    The long-time ally of Yanukovych’s “Family”, MP and formal owner of the Zaporozhye Motor Sich plant, Vyacheslav Boguslaev, figured out how to get around the ban on trade in military goods with the aggressor, the Russian Federation.
    1. Motor Sich JSC back in 2012 bought the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant in Belarus, which was sharpened for the repair and modernization of Russian helicopters and, accordingly, has every right to supply its engines to Belarus.
    2. Vyacheslav Boguslaev had talks with representatives of the State Military-Industrial Committee of Belarus on the deployment of new production facilities at the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant to produce small-sized gas turbine engines for cruise missiles. With the installation of the corresponding production line, Belarus may already start production of motors at the plant in Orsha in 2016.
    3. Выпуск вертолетных двигателей в Беларуси ориентировочно начнется только с 2020 года. Формальная причина переноса начала производства двигателей — возникнувшие намерения Беларуси осуществлять свою ракетную программу, куда собираются привлечь практически всех украинских специалистов-ракетчиков, которые после запрета на поставки в Россию товаров военного назначения остались без своего главного заказчика.

    But even the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, does not hide that the main goal of the transfer of production is to continue cooperation between Ukrainian missile forces and Russia.

    “I ask you not to proceed from the current situation, it’s difficult somewhere in Ukraine, you need to work with Russia through Belarus. I don’t even hide it, it’s right. I told the Russian president:“ I will invite all Ukrainians who come to me come, live, work with us, through us. And you must understand this. "And there was no rejection of this," said Alexander Lukashenko at a preliminary meeting with Vyacheslav Boguslaev on October 16.
    1. 31rus 8 November 2015 14: 20 New
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      This is a reasonable step, but the question is, why doesn’t he immediately think in Russia or does the “dad” think faster? It is clear that so many specialists are not needed by the West, so why not invite trained, experienced personnel
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        Most likely, the Old Man agreed on this issue with the GDP. It’s somehow not reasonable to deploy an expensive, high-tech production without the subsequent sale of products.
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    3. Saratoga833 8 November 2015 17: 40 New
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      Import substitution must be FULL! With Belarus? It is not known how Lukashenko will behave, who has seven Fridays in a week. He is not an enemy to us, but not a friend. Constantly holding his bosom. And you don’t know when he will pull it out. They did quite right when our mobile complexes were transferred from MAZs to KAMAZs. In this matter, Lukashenko will not be able to blackmail us for sure. The same is true for helicopter engines. There is nothing to look into the mouth of Belarus! Do you remember the conversations about the air base in Baranovichi?
    4. APASUS 8 November 2015 19: 16 New
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      The production of helicopter engines in Belarus will tentatively begin only in 2020.

      Who will need them after 2020? If he only puts a new engine on the line, but Ukraine has not been investing in R&D for 20 years, so where will it come from?
  10. Vladimir 1964 8 November 2015 14: 21 New
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    Quote: smith7
    From ce peremoga :)! Import substitution for electronic components too? Or are there only circuits of the 133 and 155 series as 30-40 years ago? In the heap of sets of Soviet design documentation, the element base is manufactured by the republics of the USSR and in Voronezh, Novgorod ... There are even products that are still made according to the drawings drawn in the frequency response system, and not ESKD! In addition to Voronezh (mass production technology level of 1985), is there anything in the Russian Federation? Victory reports in this area should be expected no earlier than 2025, and then if you start financially and intellectually, the investment will be done today. Where is the federal target program for ERI, Comrade Rogozin? Maybe it’s not specifically needed, but someone else is drowning in the "mud" ... Well, at least they decided with the engine for the helicopter ... I’ve lost my mind ...


    I believe my colleague Dmitry. An honest and sad comment, and unfortunately objective, for a long time I do not believe either our leaders, or even more so our media, which are already vying to report on the "successful, sometimes almost true, completion of import substitution."
    Opinion of course is subjective, I proceed from real life. Something like this, Dear colleagues. hi
  11. AlexTires 8 November 2015 14: 27 New
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    In such industries, import dependence should be reduced to zero, Russia has all the possibilities for this. It is unfortunate that they began to think about such problems only after the events in Ukraine and the sanctions.
  12. Just BB 8 November 2015 15: 05 New
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    equipped with modern Russian equipment, including VK-2500 engines manufactured by Klimov,

    The "modern" TV3-117 has been flying in serial production since 1971, well, God bless him, let it fly.
    "Vague doubts torment me" - all our helicopters (
    Mi-8, Mi-28, Mi-35, Ka-27, -32, 52 ...) each carry 2 engines, and it’s VK-2500, which will come from so much?

    Mi-8AMTSh-V helicopters

    or maybe something easier: well, there, - Mi-8-5
    1. andrei.yandex 8 November 2015 17: 00 New
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      There are still sane people, not "patriots" who don’t whip in military equipment, homegrown experts and analysts. After the twisting of events in Ukraine, it was clear to those who were truly interested in more than a dozen years that this threatens the Russian defense industry. Take, for example, the Motor Sich plant, which is the only one of the former USSR countries that produces or produced, I don’t know how it is at the moment, engines for OKB Antov aircraft, almost the entire line, for helicopter OKB Mil - Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-28, Mi-26 and Kamov Design Bureau Ka-27,29,31; Ka-50,52.
      So they missed, therefore we have the corresponding result, only now the authorities realized this. Of course, better posture than never.
      But it’s easy to say what to do, everything takes time and personnel. So do not build illusions, the path is thorny and not fast. I would like to have built at least one full-fledged plant as soon as possible. As they say not to fat, in the current economic situation.
    2. not main 8 November 2015 19: 22 New
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      or maybe something easier: well, there, - Mi-8-5

      Mi-8AMTSh is the development of the Ulan-Uda plant, and Mi-8MTV-5 is the Kazan plant. Although they have a few differences, the plant can now change (supplement the index) of the aircraft as a developer!
  13. Just BB 8 November 2015 15: 11 New
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    Photo of figure eight in the article inspires

    Yes ... Everything is in a heap: the transporter, the artilleryman, and the anti-tank.
    But there was a good idea: a link consisting of 2 attack helicopters (Mi-24) and 2 transport and combat (Mi-8)
    When the rake in Russia will end?
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      avt 8 November 2015 16: 10 New
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      But there was a good idea: a link consisting of 2 attack helicopters (Mi-24) and 2 transport and combat (Mi-8)
      When the rake in Russia will end?

      And you about the "rake" and how to finish them "tell those who in the mountains back in Afghanistan did wonders and wondered where they climbed, because it’s easier, and with a kit it’s no worse than a crocodile, I’ve handled a lot of interesting things hear about rake too laughing Well, yes - there was one FCT confined to the farm and basically NURSs were enough for these BMDs instead. But from 24k with the idea of ​​a flying BMP, it didn’t justify itself there, it was only good as a drummer, hence this quite successful modification of the eight appeared First, for the special forces and the Mi-28 is already like a clean drummer.
      1. Just BB 9 November 2015 06: 11 New
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        Well, the Mi-4 with its piston ASh could climb even higher wink

        And about the fact that who, on what and in what mountains "got up" is not for you to tell me.
        Especially about:
        Quote: avt

        Well, yes - there was one PCT confined to the farm

        Deal with the quantity ...

        And yet - on which vegetable "special" helicopter with ATGM.

        But I can advise you to ask the fighter helicopter pilots: “How does it feel to sit” on the balcony “when you see that even children from a slingshot are aiming at you, and you are protected only by“ plastic film ”and the“ Pravda ”expanded newspaper ?!

        И ЗЫ: Ми-28 и Ка-50 начали разрабатываться до афганской войны
    2. Dmitriy444 8 November 2015 16: 20 New
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      In the photo, shock-fighting, night Mi-8mnp. It surpasses the Mi-24 in power supply. Transport is not. In extreme cases, 10 people can take on board, and then standing as in a tram. He was replaced by Mi-8mnp2, the cabin is something like in the photo.
  14. veksha50 8 November 2015 15: 13 New
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    "The dependence of Russian Helicopters on foreign components in the coming years will be minimized"...

    That's when it will be completely leveled, and not only in helicopters, then it will be possible to be proud of our science and industry ...

    As the saying goes: "To see Paris - and die," you can rephrase - when our science and industry ceases to be completely dependent on imports, we can calmly die ... However, I’m afraid, waiting for this, I could turn into Koshchei the Immortal ...

    It sometimes seems to me that even the sanctions and problems with Ukrainian supplies have not yet spurred the leadership of our country ... Someone who plays electronic virtual toys all, instead of doing hard real work ...
    1. Vladimir 1964 8 November 2015 16: 08 New
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      Quote: veksha50
      It sometimes seems to me that even the sanctions and problems with Ukrainian supplies have not yet spurred the leadership of our country ... Someone who plays electronic virtual toys all, instead of doing hard real work ...


      We’ll all become koshcheys, Dear George, before the “effective” managers of our government generally understand what “hard, real practical work” is. They do not have enough thrust for this. no

      Such a thought, based on your comment, colleague. hi
  15. Ilya77 8 November 2015 15: 17 New
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    At the moment, we are import substituting for the development of the Soviet years, which were carried out in Ukraine, and so far there are not enough people in half with grief.
    По современной иностранной элементной базе импортозамещением пока и не пахнет, различные датчики тоже пока не чем заменить в области станкостроения не слыхать про наши качественные станки.. Короче слово придумали а дальше будь что будет.
    1. Bayonet 8 November 2015 17: 33 New
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      . In short, they came up with the word, and then whatever happens.
    2. avia1991 8 November 2015 18: 46 New
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      in the field of machine tools do not hear about our quality machines ..

      So the machine tool industry was ruined for a long time, and restored .. well, it’s necessary to do this, and to tumble money - yes not through a chain of commercial banks, but directly! AND WHAT DOES IT DO? UNFAVORABLE ..
      1. veksha50 8 November 2015 19: 11 New
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        Yes, not through a chain of commercial banks, but directly! AND WHAT DOES IT DO?



        Hmm ... The dreamer is a realist ...

        The first part of the phrase is a dream for many normal citizens of Russia, the second one expresses the reality ...

        And indeed: who - now - there - up there - needs to - develop - machine tool industry ??? !!!

        PS It’s difficult ... it’s hard ... costly ... It’s not a mold from the air in banks to sculpt ...
  16. mitrich 8 November 2015 15: 50 New
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    .. "in the coming years, the dependence of the Russian helicopter industry on the supply of foreign products will be minimized" ...
    What is this passage? Again stuffing about anything. In the coming, when? Year- three five-seven -...? To a minimum, is it like 3-5-10-20 -...%?
    Another article from the words of the bureaucrats-temporary worker, who just won’t give anything at the moment to cover his ..ope and who, for his words and for half a year, will not answer in advance.
    1. Turkir 9 November 2015 10: 08 New
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      What is this passage? Again stuffing about anything. In the coming, when?

      Just wanted to write the same thing.
      It is interesting to know, he also reports to the president like this: Mr. President, in the coming years, will we do this and that? After such a report, it could be compared with a rocket. And with us it means you can speak very vaguely, not mature enough ...
      Now, if he said, in the coming months, that would be understandable.
  17. starshina pv 8 November 2015 15: 51 New
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    [quote = sasha75] So we will raise a toast so that n [quote = sasha75] So we will raise a toast for that quickly. [/ quote]
    WHAT A GOOD still life, I also want a toast !!!!!!!!!!!!! and on the other hand, I have to do everything myself !!!! there’s nothing to hope for any pop-poops in the face of the very last country !!!!!!! !
  18. yuriy55 8 November 2015 16: 53 New
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    Помнится фильм, где старик (играет Н.Крючков) спрашивает военного, почему наши отступают (фильм о ВОв)? Если знали, что война будет, почему не готовились? Если денег не было, почему не сказали? Скажу честно, если нужно, согласен отдать последнее, лишь бы войны не было...
    For the sake of news such as this, I will tolerate. Let the money go on defense. If only there was no war ...
  19. _my opinion 8 November 2015 17: 51 New
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    about the Kamov helicopters:
    The latest Ka-52 is 99% composed of Russian-made components
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/70160/
  20. russmensch 8 November 2015 18: 11 New
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    Here seditious thought sharpens me and that’s it. But how did Stalin dispense with import? Especially in the late 30s and early 40s? But today, the situation is close to that. no angry
    1. avia1991 8 November 2015 18: 42 New
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      But how did Stalin dispense with import?

      We were not without import just - it was very significant, especially in the matter of equipment for machine-building enterprises. And one of the main suppliers was - sorry hi - Nazi Germany!
      The last deliveries on both sides took place literally on the eve of June 22 - almost on Saturday ..
  21. starshina pv 8 November 2015 18: 17 New
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    Here seditious thought sharpens me and that’s it. But how did Stalin dispense with import? Especially in the late 30s and early 40s? But today, the situation is close to that. no angry

    Yes, I bought the USSR technology, including from Germany!
    1. avia1991 8 November 2015 18: 39 New
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      I bought the USSR technology

      Well, you yourself answer laughing
      What is a technology purchase? This is an acquisition of the Right to use this registered method or method of production of goods .. AT OWN - note - capacities! The technology is acquired ONCE, and does not make the buyer dependent on the author. That is, if the relationship is broken, you have every right to continue using this “product”, without any payments or prohibitions.
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    It is necessary to achieve import substitution, but this process is lengthy,
    one must also ask the rulers why this was allowed.
  23. choice 8 November 2015 18: 39 New
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    I read komenty, drank and thought, and maybe all the officials and their families are at an expense.
  24. hannibal lecter 8 November 2015 19: 58 New
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    tie with alcohol.
  25. Vlad5307 8 November 2015 20: 38 New
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    There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

    Why wait for a roasted rooster? You just need to accept amendments to the tax legislation regarding the regulation of purchases of imported used junk, even if it’s worthy to fly and move. Make the tax so that it would be more profitable to buy your long and short-haul aircraft. And all this is called the protection of the domestic market. But this needs to be done only after the deployment of the production of their aircraft. Moreover, the IL-96 is no worse than the American and European aircraft, and even easier and more reliable in operation. Moreover, imported cars are all “age”, and therefore their accident rate will increase every year, especially since the campaigns save on maintenance, which costs them a pretty penny, and this, in turn, affects the cost of tickets! hi
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      Alf 8 November 2015 21: 39 New
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      Make the tax so that it would be more profitable to buy your long and short-haul aircraft. And all this is called the protection of the domestic market.

      WTO requirements to recall?
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    e is not my friend, as Prince Vladimir used to say (I will not cetate) on that and we live, drinking pleases the soul
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    Will we sell geologists or prospectors? So they have no money.
  28. Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 01: 05 New
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    helicopter builders import will soon be minimized
    That's when it will be, then we'll talk.

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    Goodbye Ukraine ... We tried to agree, but alas! In general, Thank you, we will open more jobs .. And we have a good lesson for the future ...!

    If these lessons taught us something !!! Constantly the same "rake".
  30. tolmachiev51 9 November 2015 04: 26 New
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    От импорта отказываться не стоит !!! Не надо считать нас самыми умными в мире , тем более ВПК -это самые передовые технологии.
  31. Jack-b 9 November 2015 05: 41 New
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    "BP": import dependence of helicopter builders will soon be minimized

    First thought: what does British Petroleum have to do with it?
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    But still we are great!)))
    It is very pleasing that our President, lately, has been paying special attention to the Russian aviation industry.
    If only the Eurasians did not abolish the sanctions suddenly! )))
    A "Ukrainian lesson" with engines for helicopters, I think we have learned to "excellent"! From now on, we will not repeat this, I hope!