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"BP": import dependence of helicopter builders will soon be minimized

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The dependence of "Russian Helicopters" on foreign components in the coming years will be minimized, reports RIA News report of the general director of the holding Alexander Mikheev.




“We can safely say that in the coming years, the dependence of the Russian helicopter industry on the supply of foreign products will be minimized,” the general director said at the air show opened in Dubai.

He recalled that at the end of 2014, the first Mi-8AMTSH-B was built using Russian components.

“In order to reduce dependence on foreign suppliers, all Mi-8AMTSH-V helicopters are equipped with modern Russian equipment, including the Klimov VK-2500 engines, TA-14 auxiliary power units produced by NPP Aerosila,” said Mikheev.

“The Russian-made BMS satellite navigation system installed on the Mi-8AMTSH-B can work with both the domestic GLONASS system and foreign GPS,” he noted. “A modern communications system, also made in Russia, is provided by the helicopter’s crew with high-quality communications in a wide frequency range.”

According to him, “the implementation of the import substitution program should not be taken as a refusal of Russian enterprises to cooperate with foreign companies in the development and production of high-tech products.”

“In particular, the holding“ Helicopters of Russia ”continues to successfully cooperate with organizations from China and India, as well as with European companies. We are not going to “close” in ourselves and are always ready for constructive and mutually beneficial cooperation with partners from any countries, ”said the general director.

“In general, the implementation of the import substitution program, if we talk about helicopter technology, clearly showed that industry and Russian specialists can offer not only competitive products, but also samples that excel foreign analogues in their characteristics and technical solutions”- stated Mikheev.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 8 November 2015 13: 14 New
    36
    import dependence ... will soon be minimized


    I would rather. Always infuriated that Russia somehow sideways depends on someone. This became especially evident in connection with the country of 404.
    Communications and mutually beneficial trade - yes. But in no case should dependencies be allowed.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 8 November 2015 13: 23 New
      50
      Goodbye Ukraine ... We tried to agree, but alas! In general, Thank you, we will open more jobs .. And we have a good lesson for the future ...!
      1. avg
        avg 8 November 2015 14: 19 New
        14
        Да и специалистами многими пришлось Украине поделиться. Если дальше так пойдет, то процент "майданутых" вскоре превысит критическую массу.
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 8 November 2015 19: 48 New
          20
          Ukraine is quietly repeating the fate of Bulgaria, it was a country with industry and developed agriculture. It turned into a country with a personal subsidiary agricultural, without industry living on EU subsidies. In short, who aspired to what he achieved. And off topic Vladimir Putin ordered to work out the issue of restoring the production of IL-96 with new engines, and this is goodbye to the Boeing 737 and Airbus.
          1. Alf
            Alf 8 November 2015 20: 10 New
            +9
            Quote: Maxom75
            And off topic Vladimir Putin ordered to work out the issue of restoring the production of IL-96 with new engines, and this is goodbye to the Boeing 737 and Airbus.

            Putin obliged a lot of things, but only put something on his decrees.
            Well, they’ll make the 96th, and who will take it? How many times have we held meetings and decided to take only our aviation, and the airlines said, we will purchase Boeing and Airbus. The other day, some of our low-cost airlines again declared-Take the 737th Boeing.
            1. Aksakal_07
              Aksakal_07 8 November 2015 21: 51 New
              +9
              Quote: Alf
              The other day, some of our low-cost airlines again declared-Take the 737th Boeing.

              A strange situation with the only low-cost airline in Russia. The company claims to have some preferences from the state and even received them, but is registered in offshore. A year or two will pass, and then the regulatory authorities will be amazed how it happened that the low-cost airline went bankrupt and the company's assets were stolen?
              1. 34 region
                34 region 8 November 2015 23: 28 New
                +2
                Elementary Watson (Aksakal 07)! Some in proportion others are not in the subject! And why you were not given a license to kill (two zeros).
            2. 34 region
              34 region 8 November 2015 23: 25 New
              +2
              It’s like officials obliged to ride Kalina, and not geldings, cruisers, behi. You can limit the upper price limit of equipment, you can oblige to buy with tax breaks, you can create a state-owned company. Today the question is how to buy a foreign car under sanctions? Or does this not apply to airplanes? Though! If you try, then the issue can be resolved both in one direction and in the other.
            3. Maxom75
              Maxom75 9 November 2015 00: 17 New
              +3
              Maybe this is Putin’s problem? Maybe it’s time for him to clean the ranks not by the method of permutations, but by the method of dismissals for non-performance? Maybe you should repeat Singapore mushrooms?
              1. 34 region
                34 region 9 November 2015 00: 54 New
                +3
                Plant your three best friends? You know what they were imprisoned for and they know what they sat for! It is doubtful however. To do this, we must abandon Sobchak, Yeltsin, Gaidar ...
                1. Maxom75
                  Maxom75 9 November 2015 01: 15 New
                  +7
                  С удовлетворение приму приговор о пожизненном заключении Чубайса, Медведева, Зубкова, Сердюкова, Голиковой, Улюкаева, Набиулиной. Вообще пора команду Гайдара проводить на пожизненную пенсию в "белый лебедь".
          2. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 9 November 2015 11: 04 New
            0
            Ukraine - for which it fought and ran into something. For the sake of the American oligarchic group, the whole country was prosralized
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 8 November 2015 14: 26 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And a good lesson to us for the future ...!

        Unfortunately, the powers that be are held neither by me, nor by our odnoforumane not Decree!
        1. vell.65
          vell.65 8 November 2015 16: 23 New
          +2
          What to complain about, we ourselves choose this power.
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 8 November 2015 17: 55 New
          0
          Да,тут есть над чем работать...Кем заместить своих родных дураков...Одно только назначение "табуретки" ЧЕГО СТОИТ..
          Quote: V.ic
          Quote: MIKHAN
          And a good lesson to us for the future ...!

          Unfortunately, the powers that be are held neither by me, nor by our odnoforumane not Decree!
      3. Sterlya
        Sterlya 8 November 2015 17: 55 New
        19
        but in general it’s bad to depend on whom, especially from the khozlov.
        Те то воообще безбашенные. Наконецто всем стало понятно про "братьев" хохлов дармоедов. Мне татарину Эти" некогда братьями не были. Не встретил я в жизни ни одного нормального хозхла, беда, ставьте минусы. РУССКИЕ, Белоруссы, Казахи. Все норм. Но не Хозлы. Всегда так было, хохлы против России были, бесполезно. Ихнадо в сша ив ЕС срочно. Они там быстро все разрушат wassat
      4. allexx623
        allexx623 8 November 2015 20: 28 New
        +5
        They (Ukrainians) can only so agree
      5. allexx623
        allexx623 8 November 2015 20: 28 New
        -1
        They (Ukrainians) can only so agree
      6. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 November 2015 23: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Goodbye Ukraine ... We tried to agree, but alas! In general, Thank you, we will open more jobs .. And we have a good lesson for the future ...!

        I would like it to be not only in helicopter industry ...
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 8 November 2015 13: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir
      Russia somehow depends on someone

      There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.
      1. venaya
        venaya 8 November 2015 13: 43 New
        12
        Quote: Vladimirets
        There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

        О боже! И сколько раз этот жареный петух уже ... Как говорят: "История учит о том, что она ничему не учит".
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 03 New
        25
        Quote: Vladimirets
        There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

        The rooster has nothing to do with it :: the economy is in the hands of liberals.
        Here's an example for you: when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this certainly advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 8 November 2015 16: 21 New
          +1
          And who used GLONASS? Why is it better than JPs? Judging by the navigator, the GPS is a dumb system.
          1. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 8 November 2015 17: 58 New
            +1
            Deviation on the armored personnel carrier from the point + - 3-5 meters
          2. figter
            figter 8 November 2015 18: 35 New
            +6
            It was somehow walking in the head of the column. The terrain is unfamiliar, virtually no landmarks. Fortunately, there was a device for determining coordinates by satellite, and there was a choice of GLONASS - NAVSTAR. At first I walked along GLONASS, everything seemed to converge. Then the Russian satellite crashed, found the NAVSTAR satellite. So he gave me such a thing that my heart attack almost moved me! He waited well for GLONASS and rechecked.
            1. Slavin
              Slavin 8 November 2015 19: 55 New
              0
              It would seem that here Luzhkov
          3. pilot8878
            pilot8878 8 November 2015 19: 38 New
            +6
            Quote: Region 34
            And who used GLONASS? Why is it better than JPs?

            Now GLONASS is better in everything: both faster and more accurately. A couple - three years ago, GLONASS was lagging behind - the signal disappeared, there was a noticeable error, but gradually all these problems became obsolete. Somewhere information flashed that the GLOnASS satellite constellation had already become larger than GPS. Stability at a high level. So I recommend it.
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 8 November 2015 18: 05 New
          -3
          Экономика,как и всё остальное в руках СЕМЬИ....И похоже на западе их взяли за самое больное место...за деньги,которые там лежат.И тут дело не в "либералах",а в том,что они будут делать то что им прикажут..
          Quote: hydrox
          Quote: Vladimirets
          There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

          The rooster has nothing to do with it :: the economy is in the hands of liberals.
          Here's an example for you: when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this certainly advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.
          1. flay
            flay 9 November 2015 00: 33 New
            0
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Экономика,как и всё остальное в руках СЕМЬИ....И похоже на западе их взяли за самое больное место...за деньги,которые там лежат.И тут дело не в "либералах",а в том,что они будут делать то что им прикажут..
            Quote: hydrox
            Quote: Vladimirets
            There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

            The rooster has nothing to do with it :: the economy is in the hands of liberals.
            Here's an example for you: when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this certainly advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.


            Not quite correct statement from you hi .
            Family and relatives have nothing to do with it No. .
            I once heard the expression: - Businessmen do not have a homeland (therefore, with a small letter) or citizenship. Only business and nothing personal. Sob crying Unfortunately
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 8 November 2015 20: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: hydrox
          when at the end of last year it was necessary to restore cellular communications in the Crimea, three RUSSIAN companies immediately rejected this unconditionally advantageous offer, announcing that otherwise their shares would be withdrawn from the listing on the New York Stock Exchange due to sanctions.



          Hmm ... Ask yourself another question, why not a single branch of Sberbank of Russia in the Crimea (which means in Russia !!!) does not work ... The reason is the same ... They are afraid that they will impose sanctions on French and Ukrainian subsidiaries. ..

          The question is - what else to fear if Sberbank and VTB are under personal (!!!) sanctions !!! And Crimea is our territory !!!

          Annoyed ... and - ashamed ... for Sberbank ... Gref is his mother ...
          1. oracul
            oracul 9 November 2015 07: 52 New
            -1
            Не берусь судить: не хватает информации. Но думаю, что здесь не все так просто, как кажется. Если край нужно, обрубят и Греф не поможет. Это показали события в Египте. И рассуждения о роли "семьи", мягко говоря, странноватые. Нет сомнений, было бы что-то реальное уже давно бы прижали. Ведь ясно как божий день - Россия отбилась от рук и ведет не просто самостоятельную политику неугодную Западу, а по сути против него. Не стоит перепевать с голоса Навального и прочей шелупени. Они решают свою задачу - посеять в народе сомнение, а там видно будет, куда кривая вывезет.
      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 8 November 2015 14: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        fried cock .. and then on to the test.

        I’m even embarrassed to ask: what do they write with THERE? what
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 8 November 2015 13: 51 New
      +4
      Everything that concerns our weapons should be made only with us! And it would be better to completely abandon imports from semi-hostile countries.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 10 New
        30
        Quote: Tor5
        And it would be better to completely abandon imports from semi-hostile countries.


        Yeah, everyone immediately ran to refuse ...
        У "Росатома" портфель заказов на десятки миллиардов долларов. Есть в России заводы по производству специальной запорной арматуры для АЭС, со всеми лицензиями и международными разрешительными документами, И что? - а простаивают, при том, что РосАтом под прикрытием фирм-прокладок закупает арматуру для АЭС и транспортно-силовых реакторов у чехов, немцев, французов, несмотря ни на какие санкции, при этом втридорога. Мотор-сич - это копейки в сравнении с проделками Росатома.
        Now tell me, is this not a betrayal in our liberal government?
        1. SgaSuperblade
          SgaSuperblade 8 November 2015 14: 31 New
          15
          this circuit is quite old. nonetheless applied wherever possible. I think everyone remembers the story of playgrounds in Moscow for 12 million each. Competitions are held in such a way as to crowd out all undesirable candidates, and then cut down the rollback from the company that won by prior arrangement.
          Our enemies do not need to fly on an airplane, do not go far in a tank and shoot with intercontinental missiles. Our enemies are here, nestled among us. Their families are all over the hill, and they are YET here. The military decided not to index salaries for the next 2 years. What do you think, how much richer during this time will all the top managers of state enterprises and the government that works for them become?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 8 November 2015 15: 00 New
            +2
            hydrox (2)
            ... isn't that a betrayal in our liberal government?
            Of course, cheating!
            For all Russian "liberal worms" everywhere in the Russian Federation act exclusively in their financially speculative "repertoire" sucking off the country's budget.
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 8 November 2015 20: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: hydrox
          There is in Russia factories for the production of special valves for nuclear power plants, with all licenses and international permits, and so what? - but they are idle, despite the fact that RosAtom, under the guise of gasket companies, purchases valves for nuclear power plants and power-transport reactors among Czechs, Germans, French,


          Exactly !!! Our factory is almost destroyed, and, I think, with the help of the Czech Germans ...

          There was a joint stock company - they bought up shares from workers, turned it into a closed joint stock company, and the devil knows who the owner is now ... Some kind of firm on some islands, you’ll break your tongue ...

          And there was a time when he supplied shutoff valves for gas, oil pipelines and for nuclear power plants to almost half of the countries of the world ...
        3. ty60
          ty60 8 November 2015 20: 47 New
          0
          Catch? How to catch, put on a stake! By all means!
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    5. hydrox
      hydrox 8 November 2015 13: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir
      But in no case should dependencies be allowed.

      For some reason, our liberal-treacherous pr-in does not want to listen to us.
      У них цели совершенно противоположны нашему "евроазиатству".
    6. rpek32
      rpek32 8 November 2015 15: 44 New
      +6
      как же раздражают эти завтраки. вот когда будет заголовок в новости "мы свели импортозависимость на нет. весь производственный цикл от железной болванки до вертолета теперь в РФ" - тогда и будет о чем говорить. а до тех пор нет, спасибо. наелся уже
    7. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 16: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      Always infuriated that Russia somehow sideways depends on someone.

      This can be explained even by the fact that there are fewer than 146 million of us compared with almost one and a half billion China and the same India, with more than eight hundred million Europe, not to mention the Americas, this is a drop in the bucket. And this drop shows excellent results despite our small numbers.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 8 November 2015 22: 40 New
        0
        Our numbers are commensurate with Japan. AND?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 9 November 2015 11: 02 New
          +1
          Unlike Russia, Japan is not in itself; moreover, Japan does not produce a huge range of goods.
    8. War and Peace
      War and Peace 8 November 2015 17: 55 New
      +2
      the helicopter more and more incorporates various innovations, here there is a radar, and optical stations, different sensors and brao, new weapons, and the helicopter’s weight and volume are added, only the power of the motors remains constant, in short NEW ENGINES NEED to drag all this increased mass and volume ...
    9. vodolaz
      vodolaz 8 November 2015 19: 42 New
      0
      I wonder who now Motor Sich will sell engines?
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 8 November 2015 20: 41 New
        -3
        The only bad thing is that these Mi-8AMTS and similar Mi-8MTV-5 are trying to replace combat helicopters, although they are not intended for this, not to mention the fact that for more than half a century the eight are completely and irrevocably outdated morally and technically.
    10. mihasik
      mihasik 9 November 2015 00: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir
      I would rather. Always infuriated that Russia somehow sideways depends on someone.

      NO offense.
      Лучше бы бесило когда с 1985-го с Меченым и с 1991-го с Алкоголиком все дружно скакали на костях отечественного ВПК. Тогда все были счастливы от литра спирта "Роял" и пакетика "Юпи" в место сока на запивон, и на хрен не нужен был никому этот ВПК.
      And now what, all the patriots suddenly sobered up, remembered the native defense industry and were preoccupied with import substitution?)
    11. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 9 November 2015 11: 02 New
      0
      it pleases, it's high time .... the weapons of the Russian Federation should not depend on imports, even by 1%
  2. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 8 November 2015 13: 14 New
    +7
    Poor shit! Yourself a sickle ... panimash!
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 8 November 2015 13: 30 New
      +5
      Quote: armored optimist
      Poor shit! Yourself a sickle ... panimash!


      There, a sickle has not found a substance for cutting off for a long time, it has already been scattered before us! laughing
  3. avt
    avt 8 November 2015 13: 15 New
    11
    Ну это нормально . Это скоро сказка про импортозамещение за год сказывается , да не скоро реальное дело делается , особенно когда у нас ,,не 37 год" и по большому счету за слова и обещания ответственности ,,ответственные товарищи" не несут.Фото восьмерки в статье внушает
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 November 2015 13: 21 New
    15
    Really replace most of the nodes - two years of very hard work, including accelerated certification, the most complex instrument positions 3-5 years. This is a reasonable time frame; everything else is too optimistic.
    Work is ongoing, I’m participating in it myself. Late in a bit of a snap. It’s good that all the documentation is ours, there’s almost no need to develop.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 22 New
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It’s good that all the documentation is ours, there’s almost no need to develop.

      An optimistic answer is already good.
      But you have to deal with development, and how to do it when liberals cut the budget again for our Academy of Sciences?
      That’s all, the Soviet backlog has already ended (yes, taking into account the fact that he moved to permanent residence for a long time to enemies). I believe that everyone knows that Mercury, Lever, Khibiny and Kraukha were invented and made already in Russia, and not in the Union - that’s how it all needs to be developed and improved (our Sushka, armed with the Khibiny, with a hundred-kilometer radar can safely go against the Raptor with a three hundred-kilometer radar, not afraid to be shot down by someone unknown and from where (I exaggerate, of course).
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 8 November 2015 14: 34 New
      +7
      Mikheev seems to be not a rapper like Poghosyants and the company. But all the same, the documentation is one technological process is another. And then the financial part: taxes should be somewhere no more than 13%. Loans no more than 10%. That's then we can say about import substitution. Where to get the money? Yes, all these retail chains from the EU: Pyaterochka, Cash & Carry, McDonald's are registered abroad, pay taxes 95%, 5% for everything else they have enough. There you can find it even if you fumble. Peter the First found.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 8 November 2015 13: 27 New
    -2
    According to him, “the implementation of the import substitution program should not be taken as a refusal of Russian enterprises to cooperate with foreign companies in the development and production of high-tech products.”
    «В частности, холдинг "Вертолёты России" продолжает успешно сотрудничать как с организациями из Китая и Индии, так и с европейскими компаниями.
    It seems that the Ukrainians did the engine segment and a number of additional subsystems. How did they replace it? Big contracts with India warm my soul --- and we and the Indians will be better off fighting the Chinese. On the other hand, we developed a drummer with Chinese partners and we want to produce a heavy rotorcraft. What is this multi-directional position of Russia? Under the USSR, the front line and military-technical cooperation was clearly delineated.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 8 November 2015 14: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Under the USSR, the front line and military-technical cooperation was clearly delineated.

      That's all, except for one thing: liberals from the Republic of Pr still think that EVERYTHING should be done within the framework of the global division of labor, even if it concerns sovereignty and defense security, and that money should be saved on this.
      There is little sense in this, but only when WE DO ALL development ourselves, and divide production. In the example, the Carapace :: we designed it according to the application and financing of the Saudis, but then we modernized it and now the armament is equipped with a device with a technical characteristics that are significantly improved against the Saudi standard.
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 8 November 2015 15: 40 New
        -2
        I wonder who puts the dash? Justify.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 8 November 2015 17: 21 New
          -4
          Quote: asiat_61
          I wonder who puts the dash? Justify.

          А какая разница кто? Мне их постоянно ставят без всяких обоснований, обычно это делается когда сказать нечего, так сказать "от большого ума" smile
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 9 November 2015 02: 29 New
            -2
            Quote: Bayonet
            They constantly put me without any justification,

            Well, here's another one! laughing
      2. 34 region
        34 region 8 November 2015 16: 26 New
        +3
        Yes! Globalization is a dangerous thing. Some oil is extracted. Other tourists are served, the third money is stored. And only one country controls it all! Wisely!
      3. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 9 November 2015 10: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        liberals from the Pr-v still believe that everything should be done within the global division of labor,
        But what is the most important of the most important of our liberals does not fool? Why does this great gentleman not give a kick to the ass of this liberal Caudle, column 5 ts And why does this gentleman always position unity and approval of the cabinet’s actions on the public?
        Quote: hydrox
        Now the armament is equipped with a device with a TTX, significantly improved against the Saudi standard.
        Oh li. In the first place, Arabs are enemies, but they’re not suckers for sure. They won’t buy a bad machine. How can I cut down the capabilities of a combat complex, but how can I do this with a transport turntable? And I’m sorry to tell foreigners what the Russian military is talking about he doesn’t dream and doesn’t even know. The foreign contractor shoves such devices into the supply, which Rosprompriborostroy did not even dream of)))
  6. venaya
    venaya 8 November 2015 13: 32 New
    +4
    the implementation of the import substitution program should not be perceived as a refusal of Russian enterprises to cooperate with foreign companies in the development and production of high-tech products

    What are you talking about? There are important provisions of the country's strategic security, there is no division into the degree of manufacturability, here the question is primarily about technologies related to independence in the creation and production of the military and shadow industry and, therefore, ultimately about the country's security.
  7. Sasha75
    Sasha75 8 November 2015 13: 39 New
    +8
    So let’s make a toast to quickly.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 8 November 2015 15: 55 New
      10
      Quote: Sasha75
      So let’s make a toast to quickly.

      If you bother about every promise you can sleep yes
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    3. russmensch
      russmensch 8 November 2015 18: 03 New
      +1
      And where is such beauty that in the photo? According to Ukrainian beliefs, all our food has long been on coupons, we ate all hedgehogs and eat up sick beavers. And then there’s such a dream ... Has the package arrived from the EU? laughing hi drinks
    4. veksha50
      veksha50 8 November 2015 19: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Sasha75
      So let’s make a toast to quickly.


      Many will vote for such import substitution ... I, including ...

      Just don’t get carried away ... And then one - the first president - was addicted, I almost drank the whole country ... along with the people ...
  8. smith7
    smith7 8 November 2015 13: 43 New
    +9
    От це пэремога :) ! Импортозамещение по электронным компонентам тоже? Или там только микросхемы 133 и 155 серий как 30-40 лет назад? В куче комплектов советской конструкторской документации элементная база производимая республиками СССР и в Воронеже, Новгороде... Есть даже в производстве изделия, которые до сих пор делаются по чертежам, начерченным в системе СЧХ, а не ЕСКД! Кроме Воронежа (технология массового производства уровня 1985 года) что-то есть в РФ? Победных реляций на этом направлении стоит ждать не ранне 2025 года, и то если стартовать финансовыми и интеллектуальными вложениями приямо сегодня. Где ФЦП по ЭРИ, Товарищ Рогозин? Можт и не он конкретно нужен, а еще кто-то но все тонет в "тине"... Ну хоть с двигателем для вертолета порешали... Перемога вроде...
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 8 November 2015 14: 29 New
      0
      Quote: smith7
      Есть даже в производстве изделия, которые до сих пор делаются по чертежам, начерченным в системе СЧХ, а не ЕСКД! Кроме Воронежа (технология массового производства уровня 1985 года) что-то есть в РФ? Победных реляций на этом направлении стоит ждать не ранне 2025 года, и то если стартовать финансовыми и интеллектуальными вложениями приямо сегодня. Где ФЦП по ЭРИ, Товарищ Рогозин? Можт и не он конкретно нужен, а еще кто-то но все тонет в "тине"..

      A very logical question! I am joining.
  9. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 8 November 2015 13: 56 New
    10
    The long-time ally of Yanukovych’s “Family”, MP and formal owner of the Zaporozhye Motor Sich plant, Vyacheslav Boguslaev, figured out how to get around the ban on trade in military goods with the aggressor, the Russian Federation.
    1. АО "Мотор Сич" еще в 2012 купил в Белоруссии "Оршанский авиаремонтный завод", заточенный под ремонт и модернизацию российских вертолетов и соответственно имеет полное право поставлять свои двигатели в РБ.
    2. Вячеслав Богуслаев имел переговоры с представителями Государственного военно-промышленного комитета Белоруссии по вопросу о развертывании новых производственных мощностей на "Оршанском авиаремонтном заводе" по выпуску малоразмерных газотурбинных двигателей для крылатых ракет. При монтаже соответствующей производственной линии, Беларусь может уже с 2016 года приступить к производству моторов на предприятии в Орше.
    3. The production of helicopter engines in Belarus will tentatively begin only in 2020. The formal reason for the postponement of the start of engine production is Belarus’s intentions to implement its missile program, which is going to attract almost all Ukrainian missile specialists who, after the ban on the supply of military goods to Russia, were left without their main customer.

    But even the president of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, does not hide that the main goal of the transfer of production is to continue cooperation between Ukrainian missile forces and Russia.

    "Прошу, чтобы вы не исходили из нынешней ситуации, вот трудновато где-то в Украине, надо через Беларусь работать с Россией. Я это даже не скрываю, это правильно. Я и президенту России сказал: "Буду приглашать всех украинцев, которые ко мне приедут, жить, работать с нами, через нас с вами. И вы должны это понимать". И отторжения этого не было", - сказал Александр Лукашенко на предварительной встрече с Вячеславом Богуслаевым, которая состоялась 16 октября.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 8 November 2015 14: 20 New
      +7
      Это разумный шаг,только вопрос,почему не сразу в России или "батька"быстрей думает?Понятно ,что столько спецов западу не нужны,так почему не пригласить обученные ,опытные кадры
      1. pilot bin-bom
        pilot bin-bom 8 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +3
        Скорее всего "батька" согласовал данный вопрос с ВВП. Просто так разворачивать дорогостоящее, высокотехнологичное производство без последующей реализации продукции как-то не разумно.
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    3. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 8 November 2015 17: 40 New
      -1
      Import substitution must be FULL! With Belarus? It is not known how Lukashenko will behave, who has seven Fridays in a week. He is not an enemy to us, but not a friend. Constantly holding his bosom. And you don’t know when he will pull it out. They did quite right when our mobile complexes were transferred from MAZs to KAMAZs. In this matter, Lukashenko will not be able to blackmail us for sure. The same is true for helicopter engines. There is nothing to look into the mouth of Belarus! Do you remember the conversations about the air base in Baranovichi?
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 8 November 2015 19: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Pilot bin-bom
      The production of helicopter engines in Belarus will tentatively begin only in 2020.

      Who will need them after 2020? If he only puts a new engine on the line, but Ukraine has not been investing in R&D for 20 years, so where will it come from?
  10. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 8 November 2015 14: 21 New
    +5
    Quote: smith7
    От це пэремога :) ! Импортозамещение по электронным компонентам тоже? Или там только микросхемы 133 и 155 серий как 30-40 лет назад? В куче комплектов советской конструкторской документации элементная база производимая республиками СССР и в Воронеже, Новгороде... Есть даже в производстве изделия, которые до сих пор делаются по чертежам, начерченным в системе СЧХ, а не ЕСКД! Кроме Воронежа (технология массового производства уровня 1985 года) что-то есть в РФ? Победных реляций на этом направлении стоит ждать не ранне 2025 года, и то если стартовать финансовыми и интеллектуальными вложениями приямо сегодня. Где ФЦП по ЭРИ, Товарищ Рогозин? Можт и не он конкретно нужен, а еще кто-то но все тонет в "тине"... Ну хоть с двигателем для вертолета порешали... Перемога вроде...


    Верю, коллеге Дмитрию. Честный и грустный комментарий, и к сожалению объективный, ибо давно не верю ни нашим руководителям, ни тем более нашим СМИ, которые уже наперебой докладают об "успешном, иногда правда почти, завершении импортозамещения".
    Opinion of course is subjective, I proceed from real life. Something like this, Dear colleagues. hi
  11. AlexTires
    AlexTires 8 November 2015 14: 27 New
    +8
    In such industries, import dependence should be reduced to zero, Russia has all the possibilities for this. It is unfortunate that they began to think about such problems only after the events in Ukraine and the sanctions.
  12. Just BB
    Just BB 8 November 2015 15: 05 New
    +1
    оснащены современным российским оборудованием, в том числе двигателями ВК-2500 производства компании "Климов",

    "Современный" ТВ3-117 серийно летает с 1971 года, ну да Бог с ним, пусть летает.
    "Терзают меня смутные сомнения" - все наши вертолеты (
    Mi-8, Mi-28, Mi-35, Ka-27, -32, 52 ...) each carry 2 engines, and it’s VK-2500, which will come from so much?

    Mi-8AMTSh-V helicopters

    or maybe something easier: well, there, - Mi-8-5
    1. andrei.yandex
      andrei.yandex 8 November 2015 17: 00 New
      +3
      Есть ещё здравомыслящие люди, а не "патриоты", которые не секут в военной технике, доморощенные эксперты и аналитики. После закручивания событий на Украине для интересующихся по настоящему не один десяток лет было ясно, чем это грозит для русского оборонной промышленности. Взять например завод "Мотор Сич", который единственный из бывших стран СССР выпускает или выпускал, не знаю как там на данный момент дела, двигатели для самолётов ОКБ Антов, практически всю линейку, для вертолётов ОКБ Миля - Ми-8, Ми-24, Ми-28, Ми-26 и ОКБ Камова Ка-27,29,31; Ка-50,52.
      So they missed, therefore we have the corresponding result, only now the authorities realized this. Of course, better posture than never.
      But it’s easy to say what to do, everything takes time and personnel. So do not build illusions, the path is thorny and not fast. I would like to have built at least one full-fledged plant as soon as possible. As they say not to fat, in the current economic situation.
    2. not main
      not main 8 November 2015 19: 22 New
      -1
      Quote: Just BB
      or maybe something easier: well, there, - Mi-8-5

      Mi-8AMTSh is the development of the Ulan-Uda plant, and Mi-8MTV-5 is the Kazan plant. Although they have a few differences, the plant can now change (supplement the index) of the aircraft as a developer!
  13. Just BB
    Just BB 8 November 2015 15: 11 New
    -3
    Quote: avt
    Photo of figure eight in the article inspires

    Yes ... Everything is in a heap: the transporter, the artilleryman, and the anti-tank.
    But there was a good idea: a link consisting of 2 attack helicopters (Mi-24) and 2 transport and combat (Mi-8)
    When the rake in Russia will end?
    1. avt
      avt 8 November 2015 16: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Just BB
      But there was a good idea: a link consisting of 2 attack helicopters (Mi-24) and 2 transport and combat (Mi-8)
      When the rake in Russia will end?

      А Вы про ,,грабли"и как их ,,кончать" расскажите тем кто в горах еще в Афгане на восьмерке чудеса вытворял и куда она забиралась , потому что легче,да и с обвесом ничуть не хуже ,,крокодила" обрабатывала- много интересного услышите и про ,,грабли " тоже laughing Well, yes - there was one FCT confined to the farm and basically NURSs were enough for these BMDs instead. But from 24k with the idea of ​​a flying BMP, it didn’t justify itself there, it was only good as a drummer, hence this quite successful modification of the eight appeared First, for the special forces and the Mi-28 is already like a clean drummer.
      1. Just BB
        Just BB 9 November 2015 06: 11 New
        0
        Well, the Mi-4 with its piston ASh could climb even higher wink

        And about the fact that who, on what and in what mountains "вытворял" не Вам мне рассказывать.
        Especially about:
        Quote: avt

        Well, yes - there was one PCT confined to the farm

        Deal with the quantity ...

        И ещё - на кой овощь "спецуре" вертолет с ПТУРСами.

        А вот Вам могу посоветовать спросить у воевавших вертолетчиков: "Каково это сидеть "на балконе" когда видишь, что по тебе целят даже дети "из рогатки" , а тебя защищает только "полиэтиленовая пленка" и "развернутая газета "Правда"?!

        And PS: Mi-28 and Ka-50 began to be developed before the Afghan war
    2. Dmitriy444
      Dmitriy444 8 November 2015 16: 20 New
      +4
      In the photo, shock-fighting, night Mi-8mnp. It surpasses the Mi-24 in power supply. Transport is not. In extreme cases, 10 people can take on board, and then standing as in a tram. He was replaced by Mi-8mnp2, the cabin is something like in the photo.
  14. veksha50
    veksha50 8 November 2015 15: 13 New
    +5
    "Зависимость «Вертолётов России» от зарубежных комплектующих в ближайшие годы будет minimized"...

    That's when it will be completely leveled, and not only in helicopters, then it will be possible to be proud of our science and industry ...

    Как говорится: "Увидеть Париж - и умереть", то можно перефразировать - когда наша наука и промышленность перестанет полностью зависеть от импорта, то можно будет спокойно и умереть... Однако, боюсь, дожидаясь такого, я мог бы и в Кощея Бессмертного превратиться...

    It sometimes seems to me that even the sanctions and problems with Ukrainian supplies have not yet spurred the leadership of our country ... Someone who plays electronic virtual toys all, instead of doing hard real work ...
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 8 November 2015 16: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: veksha50
      It sometimes seems to me that even the sanctions and problems with Ukrainian supplies have not yet spurred the leadership of our country ... Someone who plays electronic virtual toys all, instead of doing hard real work ...


      Мы скорее все кощеями станем, Уважаемый Георгий, прежде чем "эффективные" менеджеры нашего правительства вообще поймут, что такое "тяжелая, реальная практическая работа". У них тяму на это не хватит. No.

      Such a thought, based on your comment, colleague. hi
  15. Ilya77
    Ilya77 8 November 2015 15: 17 New
    +2
    At the moment, we are import substituting for the development of the Soviet years, which were carried out in Ukraine, and so far there are not enough people in half with grief.
    According to the modern foreign element base, there is no smell of import substitution yet, various sensors have not yet heard anything about our high-quality machines in the field of machine tool industry .. In short, we came up with a word and then what happens.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 8 November 2015 17: 33 New
      10
      Quote: Ilya77
      . In short, they came up with the word, and then whatever happens.
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 8 November 2015 18: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Ilya77
      in the field of machine tools do not hear about our quality machines ..

      So the machine tool industry was ruined for a long time, and restored .. well, it’s necessary to do this, and to tumble money - yes not through a chain of commercial banks, but directly! AND WHAT DOES IT DO? UNFAVORABLE ..
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 8 November 2015 19: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: avia1991
        Yes, not through a chain of commercial banks, but directly! AND WHAT DOES IT DO?



        Hmm ... The dreamer is a realist ...

        The first part of the phrase is a dream for many normal citizens of Russia, the second one expresses the reality ...

        And indeed: who - now - there - up there - needs to - develop - machine tool industry ??? !!!

        PS It’s difficult ... it’s hard ... costly ... It’s not a mold from the air in banks to sculpt ...
  16. mitrich
    mitrich 8 November 2015 15: 50 New
    +6
    .."в ближайшие годы зависимость российской вертолетостроительной промышленности от поставок иностранной продукции будет сведена к минимуму"...
    What is this passage? Again stuffing about anything. In the coming, when? Year- three five-seven -...? To a minimum, is it like 3-5-10-20 -...%?
    Another article from the words of the bureaucrats-temporary worker, who just won’t give anything at the moment to cover his ..ope and who, for his words and for half a year, will not answer in advance.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 9 November 2015 10: 08 New
      0
      What is this passage? Again stuffing about anything. In the coming, when?

      Just wanted to write the same thing.
      It is interesting to know, he also reports to the president like this: Mr. President, in the coming years, will we do this and that? After such a report, it could be compared with a rocket. And with us it means you can speak very vaguely, not mature enough ...
      Now, if he said, in the coming months, that would be understandable.
  17. starshina pv
    starshina pv 8 November 2015 15: 51 New
    +5
    [quote = sasha75] So we will raise a toast so that n [quote = sasha75] So we will raise a toast for that quickly. [/ quote]
    WHAT A GOOD still life, I also want a toast !!!!!!!!!!!!! and on the other hand, I have to do everything myself !!!! there’s nothing to hope for any pop-poops in the face of the very last country !!!!!!! !
  18. yuriy55
    yuriy55 8 November 2015 16: 53 New
    0
    I remember a film where an old man (played by N. Kryuchkov) asks a military man why our men are retreating (a film about WWII)? If you knew that there would be a war, why didn’t you prepare? If there was no money, why didn’t they say? Frankly, if necessary, I agree to give the last, if only there was no war ...
    For the sake of news such as this, I will tolerate. Let the money go on defense. If only there was no war ...
  19. _my opinion
    _my opinion 8 November 2015 17: 51 New
    +2
    about the Kamov helicopters:
    The latest Ka-52 is 99% composed of Russian-made components
    http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/70160/
  20. russmensch
    russmensch 8 November 2015 18: 11 New
    +1
    Here seditious thought sharpens me and that’s it. But how did Stalin dispense with import? Especially in the late 30s and early 40s? But today, the situation is close to that. No. angry
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 8 November 2015 18: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: russmensch
      But how did Stalin dispense with import?

      We were not without import just - it was very significant, especially in the matter of equipment for machine-building enterprises. And one of the main suppliers was - sorry hi - Nazi Germany!
      The last deliveries on both sides took place literally on the eve of June 22 - almost on Saturday ..
  21. starshina pv
    starshina pv 8 November 2015 18: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: russmensch
    Here seditious thought sharpens me and that’s it. But how did Stalin dispense with import? Especially in the late 30s and early 40s? But today, the situation is close to that. No. angry

    Yes, I bought the USSR technology, including from Germany!
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 8 November 2015 18: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: starshina pv
      I bought the USSR technology

      Well, you yourself answer laughing
      Что такое покупка технологии? Это приобретение Права на использование данного зарегистрированного метода или способа производства товара.. НА СОБСТВЕННЫХ - заметьте - мощностях! Технология приобретается ОДНАЖДЫ, и не ставит покупателя в зависимость от автора. То есть, при разрыве отношений, Вы имеете полное право продолжать использование данного "товара", без каких-либо выплат и запретов.
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 8 November 2015 18: 33 New
    0
    It is necessary to achieve import substitution, but this process is lengthy,
    one must also ask the rulers why this was allowed.
  23. choice
    choice 8 November 2015 18: 39 New
    -2
    I read komenty, drank and thought, and maybe all the officials and their families are at an expense.
  24. hannibal lecter
    hannibal lecter 8 November 2015 19: 58 New
    +1
    tie with alcohol.
  25. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 8 November 2015 20: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    There is still a roasted cock .. and then on to the test.

    Зачем ждать жареного петуха? Нужно просто принять поправки в налоговое законодательство в части регулирования покупок импортного б\у барахла, пусть и достойного еще летать и двигаться. Сделать налог такой чтобы выгоднее было покупать свои дальне- и ближне-магистральные самолеты. И все это называется защитой внутреннего рынка. Но это нужно делать только после развертывания производства своих самолетов. Тем более ИЛ-96 нисколько не хуже американских и европейских самолетов, а в эксплутации даже проще и надежнее. Тем более что импортные машины все "возрастные", а значит и аварийность их будет нарастать с каждым годом, тем более что кампании экономят на техобслуживании, которое им влетает в копеечку, а это в свою очередь отражается на стоимости билетов! hi
    1. Alf
      Alf 8 November 2015 21: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Vlad5307
      Make the tax so that it would be more profitable to buy your long and short-haul aircraft. And all this is called the protection of the domestic market.

      WTO requirements to recall?
  26. choice
    choice 8 November 2015 21: 47 New
    0
    e is not my friend, as Prince Vladimir used to say (I will not cetate) on that and we live, drinking pleases the soul
  27. exalex2
    exalex2 8 November 2015 21: 56 New
    0
    Геологам или "изыскникам" будем продавать? Так у них не денег.
  28. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 01: 05 New
    +1
    helicopter builders import will soon be minimized
    That's when it will be, then we'll talk.

  29. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 9 November 2015 04: 19 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Goodbye Ukraine ... We tried to agree, but alas! In general, Thank you, we will open more jobs .. And we have a good lesson for the future ...!

    Если-бы эти уроки нас чему-то учили !!! Постоянно одни и те-же "грабли".
  30. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 9 November 2015 04: 26 New
    0
    Import should not be discarded !!! Do not consider us the smartest in the world, especially the military-industrial complex is the most advanced technology.
  31. Jack-b
    Jack-b 9 November 2015 05: 41 New
    -1
    "BP": import dependence of helicopter builders will soon be minimized

    First thought: what does British Petroleum have to do with it?
  32. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 9 November 2015 08: 38 New
    0
    But still we are great!)))
    It is very pleasing that our President, lately, has been paying special attention to the Russian aviation industry.
    If only the Eurasians did not abolish the sanctions suddenly! )))
    А "украинский урок" с движками для вертолётов, думаю усвоили мы на "отлично"! Впредь такое не будем повторять, я надеюсь!