Popular Mechanics: Bumblebee flamethrower strikes terror

The work of the Russian flamethrower "Bumblebee", seen in Syria in the hands of a government army soldier, was impressed by the American resource Popular Mechanics, who noted that, despite the "cute name", it weapon terrifies, transmits RIA News.




“The Bumblebee is a thermobaric weapon in which a combination of an explosive and a large amount of fuel is used. When the munition reaches the target, the fire mixture is sprayed into the air, which contributes to the ignition of the combustible cloud and activates an explosive charge. Such explosions are especially useful against troops leading from a bunker or a trench, ”explains the author of the publication.

He draws attention to the explosive power of the projectile, which "is so large that the diameter of the fiery cloud can reach 7 meters." According to the author, this “helps to effectively deal with heavy equipment and literally blow up buildings from the inside under increased pressure.”

The publication also notes a fairly simple system for aiming a flamethrower, and its ability to "hit targets at a distance of 800 yards (about 730 meters)."
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RIA News. Evgeny Biyatov
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  1. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 10: 51 New
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    Again, all-crawlers will come running and moan that everything has disappeared in “poor” Russia, that all that Racea-Mother was sawn up and gnawed by damned weevils.

    Our gunsmiths are great !!!



    And the military did not let us down !!!


    Keep it up!!!
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER 8 November 2015 10: 53 New
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      Aaaaaa all propaloooooo !!!!!
      1. lelikas 8 November 2015 10: 58 New
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        But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty years old, and then he was "noticed"? Coincidence? Probably someone will soon start asking for money for new grenade launchers.
        1. 78bor1973 8 November 2015 12: 03 New
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          I totally agree, it will take several years and maybe something else will notice!
          1. sharp-lad 8 November 2015 21: 41 New
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            Yeah! RPG 32 for example! laughing
          2. sharp-lad 8 November 2015 21: 41 New
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            Yeah! RPG 32 for example! laughing
        2. edge 8 November 2015 12: 52 New
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          Quote: lelikas
          But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty

          - what Russians do, then shave death soldier
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        4. GSH-18 8 November 2015 15: 24 New
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          Quote: lelikas
          But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty years old, and then he was "noticed"? Coincidence? Probably someone will soon start asking for money for new grenade launchers.

          Well, about the "bumblebee"
          Although there is already a modernization of the increased range and power of the Bumblebee-M. Modernization is the same ..
          And they already copied insolently and produce our RPG-7 in the States request
          1. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 16: 35 New
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            Quote: GSH-18
            And they already copied insolently and produce our RPG-7 in the States

            But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron? And much more was copied, for example, the first ballistic missile. A machine gun Maxim - this is an American development, "Che" do not resent?
            1. GSH-18 8 November 2015 16: 50 New
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              Quote: Алексей_К
              But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron?

              Well, it's generally the same thing lol
              You still say that Kalashnikov copied the AK-47 with the Sturmgewehr 44! And what did we put in them T-34 in the drawings! Well you give dear lol
              I tell you that amers simply stupidly produce copies of RPG-7. There was even an article on VO. And our Kalash, including without any license!
              1. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 22: 33 New
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                Quote: GSH-18
                You still say that Kalashnikov copied the AK-47 with the Sturmgewehr 44! And what did we put in them T-34 in the drawings! Well you give dear

                I won’t say anything about the T-34, because tanks with oblique armor in the USSR were already manufactured before the T-34.
                And as for StG-44, see for yourself, well, after all, he looks like our AK. And also the removal of powder gases. Prior to AK, not a single submachine gun in the USSR had the removal of powder gases (Sudaev, PPSh, Tokareva).
                Licked Kalashnikov all the best of the German automatic assault rifle. Yes, he developed a rotary shutter and as a result, this part of the machine is not like the StG-44. But the rotary shutter, as the most reliable, was "lapped" with the American M1 Garand 1943 rifle of the year. The most reliable rifle in the West and after the war.
                It’s just that Kalashnikov knew the weapons of the warring countries very well and did not invent anything new, but combined all the best from other people's designs. And of course, I had to create a lot in the machine myself.
                1. yehat 8 November 2015 23: 58 New
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                  Is this a reliable guarantee ??? what nonsense !!!
                  study the materiel, especially about the click when the cartridges are exhausted.
                  as for the Stg44, it was not the first and most importantly - there was a cartridge concept, not a design. Its main feature is really decent performance characteristics, however, and there are a lot of shortcomings.
                2. Homo 9 November 2015 01: 17 New
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                  About Kalashnikov and Sturmgever ...

                  Well, let's compare the weapons we know and see what happened.

                  Well, let's compare the weapons we know and see what happened. In the picture in the title - incomplete disassembly of AKM and StG-44. One can clearly see the main difference between the AK and the assault gun - Kalashnikov chose the “disassemble” weapon disassembly scheme through the removable cover, while Hugo Schmeisser chose the “disassemble” disassembly scheme through the trigger mechanism which swivels out on the hinge.

                  However, I can immediately notice that Kalashnikov initially chose the same type of disassembly - here is his so-called AK-46 (Kalashnikov assault rifle, model 1946), which was submitted to the assault rifle at the first stage:

                  But just in the AK-46 it is clearly visible that, in addition to the similarity of the disassembly scheme and the general ergonomic layout, Kalashnikov did not have anything in common with the Schmeiser design. For example, it is just striking that there is no characteristic shutter as a single part with a gas piston. Kalashnikov made a gas piston with a rod as a separate part, and it engages with the bolt through an intermediate part - a kind of slide.

                  The test scheme did not justify itself, and therefore the idea from StG-44 was used - combining a gas piston and a bolt frame. However - here it is necessary to understand the main thing - only the idea was used, the constructive solution of Kalashnikov is completely different. In general, the Kalashnikov bolt used a different one - it is locked not by a bias, but by a rotation. Actually, the Kalashnikov’s shutter and USM are practically copied from the American M1 Garand carbine - and this is correct, because why be wise if there is an excellent solution that has proven itself in combat conditions?

                  .........

                  Original article - http://takie.org/news/o_kalashnikove_i_shturmgevere/2013-12-25-8153
                3. aws4 9 November 2015 01: 18 New
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                  and here you are right
                4. Region-25.rus 9 November 2015 02: 26 New
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                  Have you heard about SOMPROMAT? Not? then no respect for gray hair on the profile picture! If anything! so the dignity of "Kalash" is not only in ideas .. but also in the materials if that! For your information, the idea of ​​ultrasound is cleaned up from Czech software of an earlier period, and Galil is almost a copy of Kalash! What you did not publish screenshots of these devices! Copyright Guardian?

                  Yes .. I forgot about the FIRST automatic machine of Fedorov, chambered for 6,5mm from Japanese Arisaki! Yes ... probably Fedorov slamzil all ideas of the Maya Indians!
                5. VseDoFeNi 9 November 2015 06: 56 New
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                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  Licked Kalashnikov all the best of the German automatic assault rifle.

                  Why, let’s take the printing business as well ... and even to the Sumerians, who invented cuneiform writing - why not print? wassat
                  Who licked anyone - Lobachevsky from Riemann or Riemann from Lobachevsky? angry
                6. kit-kat 9 November 2015 10: 56 New
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                  Well, let it be your way, although I do not agree with everything. And what's wrong with collecting the best of several samples into one? This is also not easy to do.
                7. sancho 9 November 2015 11: 14 New
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                  For Aleksey_K

                  Dear round wheel! What now to do with it? AND? Ride on a square?

                  Learn, this question is right here at the beginning - http://topwar.ru/3140-kto-sozdal-ak.html

                  Completely fundamentally different designs, similar in only a few little things. Ah, the little things are for everyone, and the trunk and the store and the bolt are for everyone! But, different.

                  The StG-44 had so many “shoals” as they say now that they cannot be compared to the AK-47. Especially for reliability.

                  And, on the basis of MG-42, pin.dos made their machine gun, and still run with it, in various modifications.
                8. tag
                  tag 9 November 2015 14: 30 New
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                  With all due respect .... You do not compare pictures, but TTX weapons!
                9. Shurik70 9 November 2015 23: 27 New
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                  Quote: Алексей_К

                  Kalashnikov knew the weapons of the warring countries very well and did not invent anything new, but combined all the best from other people's designs


                  Not yours!
                  The creator of the arquebus invented everything!
                  Then only the design was improved!
                  And so - gunpowder explodes in the tube and pushes the bullet!
                  Although there is an opinion that the arquebus is also licked from the guns, only the caliber has been reduced!
                10. igorka357 10 November 2015 05: 17 New
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                  I can make a mock-up of a ferrari in the garage, but that’s why it won’t become a ferrari! Don’t judge by external similarities! And if, according to your words, Kalashnikov put together the best of the world's small arms and made AK, it made him even brighter because the rest of the blunt designers did not guess it!
              2. goose 9 November 2015 11: 50 New
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                The patent law of foreign powers is not recognized in the United States; everything that is not patented in the United States is considered not to have a patent and is subject to free copying.
              3. Old old 9 November 2015 22: 37 New
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                I tell you that amers simply stupidly produce copies of RPG-7. There was even an article on VO.

                I agree completely.
              4. Old old 9 November 2015 22: 37 New
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                I tell you that amers simply stupidly produce copies of RPG-7. There was even an article on VO.

                I agree completely.
            2. Lenin 8 November 2015 16: 52 New
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              What does the indignation have to do with it? For me it is a disappointment that many of our developments and scientists abroad. And there are a lot of examples of such, what does the indignation have to do with it? hi
            3. Sorokin 8 November 2015 17: 38 New
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              Why outrage Hotchkiss there too and Enfield come
            4. Locksmith 8 November 2015 17: 58 New
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              Quote: Алексей_К
              But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron?

              Let me ask, and what is there in common ??!
              1. GRAY 8 November 2015 19: 40 New
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                Quote: Locksmith
                Let me ask, and what is there in common ??!

                Operating principle laughing
                1. aws4 8 November 2015 21: 52 New
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                  I think we will not wait for an answer ....)))))))))))))))))
              2. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 21: 54 New
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                Quote: Locksmith
                Let me ask, and what is there in common ??!

                But the principle of operation is almost the same - the barrel of the Faustpatron is open on both sides, when the propellant is ignited, part of the gases pushed the grenade forward, and the other (large) part pulled back from the barrel, forming a jet stream.
                Do you need Locksmith so that everything matches up to a millimeter? There were no such weapons in the USSR. And suddenly appeared in 1947
                1. aws4 8 November 2015 22: 07 New
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                  Sorry, but it seems to me that you're just kidding now)))))))) the 4 has wheels and an engine ... the principle of operation is one .... it’s one thing to copy and the other to take as a basis the principle of action and create something different .. .. by your logic, all modern RSZOs were copied from Katyusha and Katyusha were copied from Chinese military fireworks ....
                  1. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 22: 46 New
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                    Quote: aws4
                    Sorry, but it seems to me that you're just kidding now)))))))) the 4 has wheels and an engine ... the principle of operation is one .... it’s one thing to copy and the other to take as a basis the principle of action and create something different .. .. by your logic, all modern RSZOs were copied from Katyusha and Katyusha were copied from Chinese military fireworks ....

                    And you tell this not to me, but to "GSH-18", which for some reason is very offended by the Americans, that they are copying our RPG-7.
                    For some reason, he believes that the technique of one country should not be similar to the technique of another country? I believe that if technology and its elements are patented, then only someone has priority in sales and authorship. And everyone can copy and repeat the best alien in their country, especially in military equipment. In the war, nobody cares about patents.
                    1. aws4 9 November 2015 01: 16 New
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                      yes you know now i understand you .... you're right !!!! just went on the other side and so right ... sorry for another race
                    2. Old old 9 November 2015 23: 15 New
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                      I believe that if technology and its elements are patented, then only someone has priority in sales and authorship. And everyone can copy and repeat the best alien in their country, especially in military equipment. In the war, nobody cares about patents.

                      Only you have a negative subtext when describing the use of foreign experience by Soviet designers.
                      You used the experience of others when you learned to ride a bicycle, swim, skate.
                    3. Old old 9 November 2015 23: 15 New
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                      I believe that if technology and its elements are patented, then only someone has priority in sales and authorship. And everyone can copy and repeat the best alien in their country, especially in military equipment. In the war, nobody cares about patents.

                      Only you have a negative subtext when describing the use of foreign experience by Soviet designers.
                      You used the experience of others when you learned to ride a bicycle, swim, skate.
                2. GRAY 9 November 2015 07: 21 New
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                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  But the principle of operation is almost the same - the barrel of the Faustpatron is open on both sides, when the propellant is ignited, part of the gases pushed the grenade forward, and the other (large) part pulled back from the barrel, forming a jet stream.

                  laughing
              3. Region-25.rus 9 November 2015 02: 31 New
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                well .. there’s a lot in total - it flies through the combustion of powder gases, it flies out of the pipe .... well, that one-time and the other reusable .... well, in principle, the same as La-5 and Fv-190 - two wings, the engine - "double star" .. yes! the most important thing is the cabin lamp made of plexus !!! Ohhhhhhhhhhhh !! what an impudent borrowing of "revolutionary" ideas!
            5. Ossetian 8 November 2015 18: 29 New
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              A license was purchased for Maxim.
              1. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 21: 57 New
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                Quote: Ossetian
                A license was purchased for Maxim.

                Yes, we bought it, but we redid it a little bit and it became a Russian development. In fact, they stole the general design, but they added changes and do not need to do anything under the license and you can sell it.
                1. 34 region 8 November 2015 22: 53 New
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                  Do you need a license for the laws of physics? Well, or mechanics? All mechanisms work on certain principles. All cars today drive four wheels with a motor. Who stole what from whom?
            6. fedotow 8 November 2015 21: 10 New
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              It seems to us that the term "copied" is inappropriate in relation to Maxim. The tsarist still artillery department bought a license for its production from the English company Vickers. Which, in turn, bought a general license from the developer. The developer is a little-known Belgian mechanic, with an unpronounceable surname of 24 letters. I could not pronounce this name, even reading on a piece of paper. And the machine gun was not called Maxim, but Maxima (Latin). The word is taken from the expression "... the last argument of the kings." Last, ultimate - maxima.

              America and Hyrum Maxim have nothing to do with the creation of THIS machine gun. Hyrum Maxim also tried to create a machine gun, but failed. Later he moved to England and began to develop a carriage for Maxima, like a cannon, and then a sitting machine.
            7. aws4 8 November 2015 21: 49 New
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              it’s immediately clear that the special .... RPG from Faust was copied .... they made fun laughing and what is there in general enlighten ??? super-grenade grenade ???? and the fact that Maxim is not our machine gun, so no one denies and every child knows ... for the horizons and for the future - they didn’t copy it but first bought it and later signed a contract and made it in Tula and rolled back a denyuzhka for it .... .)))))))))) and you are wrong about the rocket too .... not copied, it was honestly squeezed from the defeated Nazi Germany and put into production, but the fact that the uncle who built it into the states dumped it does not mean that we copied it from the Yankees ....
              1. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 22: 53 New
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                Quote: aws4
                you are wrong about the missile’s account too .... not copied, it was honestly squeezed from the defeated Nazi Germany and put into production, and the fact that the uncle who built it into the states dumped does not mean that we copied it from the Yankees ....

                Well, right, it was not copied from the Americans, but from the Germans. We made the first ballistic missile a complete copy of the FAU-2, and even many of the structural elements and the engine were German. They copied a completely German rocket. Korolev launched, looked and said what needs to be done even better, and began to build a new one on the basis of his knowledge. But while they designed a new one, so as not to be left without missiles, they put into service the stolen German engines.
                1. 34 region 8 November 2015 23: 17 New
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                  It turns out the main thing is a thought, an idea! After the launches of captured missiles, it became clear that one step was not enough. And the process has begun!
                2. aws4 9 November 2015 01: 25 New
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                  yes yes it’s so .... just not stolen but honestly selected))))))))))))) fairly selected after the war and from the aggressor ....
                  1. AlexeyL 9 November 2015 17: 32 New
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                    Not selected, and especially not stolen, but conquered, i.e. trophies.
                3. the villain 9 November 2015 01: 36 New
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                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  stolen german engines

                  Yeah, you still write that after the war in the USSR, "stolen" German machines were used in factories.
                4. Region-25.rus 9 November 2015 02: 35 New
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                  And the fact that the first nuclear submarine (adored by your Americans) - the Nautilus was 85 percent built based on the ideas of the XNUMXst Kriegsmarine project of the end of the war (in the hull and other systems) do not bother you?
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                    And the fact that the first nuclear submarine (adored by your Americans) - the Nautilus was 85 percent built based on the ideas of the XNUMXst Kriegsmarine project of the end of the war (in the hull and other systems) do not bother you?


                    Add. "On March 23, 1881, N. I. Kibalchich put forward the idea of ​​a rocket aircraft with a swinging combustion chamber to control the thrust vector. ... the project was first published only in 1918 in the journal Byloe, No. 4-5." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B8%D
                    1%87,_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B9_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%
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                    "to control the thrust vector" - nothing like?
                5. igorka357 10 November 2015 05: 25 New
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                  Stolen ... belay ? They then stole millions of lives from us? Yes, we still have to use the entire German nation for our purposes !!! Stolen engines ... there are simply no words, you’re like an adult, and it’s kind of dull from you, sorry if that!
            8. goose 9 November 2015 11: 48 New
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              Quote: Алексей_К
              But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron? And much more was copied, for example, the first ballistic missile. A machine gun Maxim - this is an American development, "Che" do not resent?

              RPG-2 was copied by 80% using trophy technology, but the Germans did not develop subsequent models.
        5. Lenin 8 November 2015 16: 49 New
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          He smiled heartily. As long as there is the legacy of the USSR, we are not victorious. hi
        6. Locksmith 8 November 2015 18: 02 New
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          Quote: lelikas
          But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty

          What a fright? 85 year, plus 40 years it will be 2025 fool
        7. Alex_Rarog 8 November 2015 18: 04 New
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          I’ll tell you how a person who has seen live how “Bumblebee” works is a complete Achtung ...
        8. GRAY 8 November 2015 19: 40 New
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          Coincidence? Probably someone will soon start asking for money for new grenade launchers.

          They modernized "Karl Gustav" :-) and they began to produce our RPGs. Something is not like.
          1. aws4 8 November 2015 21: 58 New
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            producing does not mean adopting it))))) I don’t know about the exact copy, but the lite version is actually produced and sold for export ....
        9. fedotow 8 November 2015 21: 48 New
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          But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty years old, and then he was "noticed"

          This is what. America this summer discovered the Kalashnikov assault rifle. Suddenly discovered that this is the best small arms in the world. And accuracy and accuracy are not inferior to him with the right application. And from reliability, the Americans simply die. Demand soared. The market is worn out, it is not known whose manufacture. There, the gas pipe on the barrel is rotated and the front desk of the front sight is folded up and still buy into a fight. Everyone is most appreciated Saiga. As they say "original", that is, Russian.
          1. 34 region 8 November 2015 23: 01 New
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            Damn! That there was no accuracy, great returns, not very reliable ... Although in Vietnam they changed their mouse to our Kalash! Did you really want to live again?
        10. Lex
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          By the way, the photo is just an upgraded version.
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          This is a flamethrower!
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          one really wants to sing "shaggy bumblebee" .... great thing - proven
      2. Duke 8 November 2015 11: 02 New
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        Jet Infantry Flamethrower RPO "Bumblebee", (nicknamed Afghanistan Shaitan Trumpet) - Soviet (later Russian) jet flame thrower single use. Not subject to reloading. It is a missile shell stuffed with a fire mixture.
        Designed to defeat concealed enemy firing points, disable lightly armored and automotive vehicles, destroy enemy manpower. The aiming range of a flamethrower with a diopter sight is 200 m. According to the high-explosive impact, the 93-mm caliber of the flamethrower on the main types of targets is not inferior to 122-152 mm artillery shells].
        In an explosion, a high-temperature pulse is accompanied by a sharp pressure drop resulting from the explosion of the fuel-air mixture.
        Destroys all living things up to 80 m³; lesion area: in open areas - from 50 m², in a confined space - up to 80 m². Sheltered targets are disabled due to the pressure drop even without breaking the barrier, if they are not sealed. Shooting is possible on the bunker embrasures, lightly armored targets, etc.


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          Nda ..) Upgraded to a jet Molotov cocktail. Why is it so easy to improve the means of mass murder and so difficult - the means of eternal survival?
        2. Sorokin 8 November 2015 17: 46 New
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          not subject to any export or sale either
      3. Good me 8 November 2015 11: 03 New
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        Popular Mechanics: Bumblebee flamethrower strikes terror


        No comments. All epithets, "Bumblebee", have already received from the publication Popular Mechanics ...

        1. belij 8 November 2015 15: 35 New
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          Rotten Amer pseudoscientific journal. Previously, when the editor was a normal guy, and the articles were with our scientists and engineers. Now there is a maximum with the "Russian-speaking geniuses" who moved to the west and work to the west. Only one water is poured in the style of a discovery channel. Where is our "Youth Technique"?
          1. 34 region 8 November 2015 23: 09 New
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            For good, I think in VO you can create a section of modern weapons in Russia. You can heading a modern foreign weapon. After all, the Union published a magazine on armaments of Western countries (I don’t remember the name). If you combine these topics, there will be a good field for discussion. Still to connect military experts to comments. Patriotism is good, and professionalism in technology is even better.
      4. Major Yurik 8 November 2015 11: 09 New
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        Shaggy "Bumblebee", on igilskoy crap .....!
        Remember the pipe passed as in Arabic-shaitan? am
      5. yushch 8 November 2015 11: 23 New
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        That's what life-giving Bumblebee does !!!
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          What life-giving he is, he is creating death.
          1. yushch 8 November 2015 16: 34 New
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            The main thing is not what, but how he does it. And most importantly, very quickly, therefore, and vividly creating, instantly at sea ... (c). hi wink
    2. EvgNik 8 November 2015 10: 56 New
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      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      Again, all the scouts will come running and moan that everything is gone

      The gunsmiths are well done, but what is this passage about the “all-tramp”, can I explain, or is it a comment on some other article?
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        EvgNik "The gunsmiths are well done, but what is this passage about" all-fellers ", is it possible to explain, or is it a comment on some other article?"
        I, too, was surprised.)))) I used it in Afghanistan.))) The man apparently does not know that RPO-BUMBLE BOTTOM is a Soviet development.))) Lost guys, gone)))) You at least give normal examples.)))
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          Quote: Nagaibak
          Even in Afghanistan they used it.))

          When ,, Tibet "went to the" Mountain of Thieves ", backed by a motorized rifle brigade, they stumbled down from" Bumblebees "in volleys from the bottom up, and then they themselves said that they burned almost everything from a great mind, but the effect was such a volley, that the spirits at a numerical superiority and not destroyed simply faded away - the campaign didn’t really know that they were disposable and the group remained empty as a drum in ,, Bumblebees ". And they could have clamped it well and if not destroyed, then knock out the group firmly before the motorized rifle approach.
      2. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 17: 37 New
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        but what’s this passage about "all-crawler",

        Yes, there is a certain tendency among all-proponents towards Russia to say nasty things ...
        That they "Kalina" is not a machine, then prosralipolymers ...
        As a result, this leads to the Maidan, and I love Russia.
        It is not necessary to poke around in shit, but to learn to see the good. Built a new kindergarten x-ok. The plant was built - good. A ship, a tank, an airplane is good.

        If it were my will, I would forbid the negative in the media.
      3. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 17: 37 New
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        Quote: EvgNik
        but what’s this passage about "all-crawler",

        Yes, there is a certain tendency among all-proponents towards Russia to say nasty things ...
        That they "Kalina" is not a machine, then prosralipolymers ...
        As a result, this leads to the Maidan, and I love Russia.
        It is not necessary to poke around in shit, but to learn to see the good. Built a new kindergarten x-ok. The plant was built - good. A ship, a tank, an airplane is good.

        If it were my will, I would forbid the negative in the media.
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      In fact, he has long been causing horror at all shaitans, respect by gunsmiths.
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      "The old horse does not spoil the furrow!"
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    7. asiat_61 8 November 2015 16: 11 New
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      Liked: on the acquisition .. contact ....
      1. Kasym 8 November 2015 17: 51 New
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        And I wrote that he would appear there because of holes buried there by spirits!
        Interestingly, will the new Prize appear there? It is more compact and lighter, further firing as far as I remember hi
        1. Basarev 8 November 2015 20: 21 New
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          I wonder if there is a reusable flamethrower of this kind?
          1. KBR109 8 November 2015 20: 33 New
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            The year in 1990 (plus or minus two) had to work with RPO-A. There, the capsule with the mixture in the container was fastened to the starter with the front of the guide tube. Range - 800 m. - not yards. Shot - replacing the container - shoot on. Powerful heavy infantry weapon. Why on khimline?
  2. DIVAN SOLDIER 8 November 2015 10: 52 New
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    But is it really designed to deal with heavy armored vehicles ???
    1. Noisy 8 November 2015 11: 01 New
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      No, of course, only with an easy one. But then he breaks the sides to her) But if the tank has hatches open then the crew will die.
      1. ssergn 8 November 2015 16: 58 New
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        The infantry behind the tank will also disappear if it is hiding closely.
    2. Good me 8 November 2015 11: 05 New
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      But is it really designed to deal with heavy armored vehicles ???


      By its initial "specification", no.

      But it turned out to be so good for destroying armored vehicles that no one will refuse the temptation to use it ...
      1. tank64rus 8 November 2015 11: 53 New
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        There are options for backward action, and when shooting at a tank from above in a city in a motor group, the crew’s chances of survival are close to zero.
    3. 33 Watcher 8 November 2015 11: 42 New
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      Generally not, but it can set fire ...
    4. Kunar 8 November 2015 12: 03 New
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      Previously, only chemists had it. Bunker collapse there, collapse the cave a nice thing ..... Set fire to a quality thing, again ...
    5. edge 8 November 2015 12: 56 New
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      But is it really designed to deal with heavy armored vehicles ??

      at assault weapons ..... but if you recall the WWII, when a bunch of outdated grenades were thrown around the tank, why not (in one gulp or a couple or three and see what happens)
  3. Maksus 8 November 2015 10: 52 New
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    It's only the beginning. Fire is also an effective weapon in psychological terms. It is not for nothing that the Yankees in Vietnam were flooded with napalm; this demoralizes cleaner than carpet bombings.
  4. Dinko 8 November 2015 10: 53 New
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    Bumblebee is already yesterday, we have better modifications. By the way, in the photo, if the memory of the flamethrower Prize doesn’t fail me,
    1. EvgNik 8 November 2015 10: 59 New
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      we have better modifications

      So it’s good that there is. And in Syria, you can use the old.
    2. lelikas 8 November 2015 11: 00 New
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      Bumblebee is already yesterday, we have better modifications. By the way, in the photo, if the memory of the flamethrower Prize doesn’t fail me,

      Bumblebee -M like.
  5. exalex2 8 November 2015 10: 54 New
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    If “our” media wrote about this, I would doubt it .. Well, if so .. Fear, heaps ..))) It's not so scary. It's all about diapers, or rather, in their number.
  6. PlotnikoffDD 8 November 2015 10: 55 New
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    It seems that before nobody knew about these Bumblebees. Weapons are not one dozen years old, but some have a sensation!
    1. demoniac1666 8 November 2015 10: 59 New
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      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      It seems that before nobody knew about these Bumblebees. Weapons are not one dozen years old, but some have a sensation!

      This is the principle of work of the Western (and ours too) press: to find sensations out of the blue. It is regrettable, but the FACT ((((
    2. 34 region 8 November 2015 11: 42 New
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      soldier If the Strelkovites used Ukrainian reserves from World War II, then we probably have similar ones. If we start using PPSh in Syria, the Americans will generally get a touch! laughing
      1. edge 8 November 2015 13: 04 New
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        If we start using PPSh in Syria, the Americans will generally get a touch!

        It’s unlikely that these reserves, like the trophy ones after the WWII, were dispatched to Israel, Vietnam ... and the countries of Latin America. Only museum exhibits remained. They are now getting rid of mosquitoes, and Akm and Ak-74
      2. biznaw 8 November 2015 22: 51 New
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        Quote: 34 region
        soldier If the Strelkovites used Ukrainian reserves from World War II, then we probably have similar ones. If we start using PPSh in Syria, the Americans will generally get a touch! laughing


        Already. Amer Delta calls PPSh "Spewing Fire" They are very appreciated by them for the rate of fire and accuracy. It is considered very prestigious for them to have our submachine gun.
    3. edge 8 November 2015 12: 59 New
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      It seems that before nobody knew about these Bumblebees. Weapons are not one dozen years old, but some have a sensation!

      well, so far I haven’t got into combat, I haven’t heard of him ...... however, secrecy.
  7. Sharky 8 November 2015 10: 59 New
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    "Bumblebee" is a pocket "Pinocchio" laughing ! Although Popular Mechanics is a mediocre resource in my understanding (I used to buy a magazine, but am tired of shortcomings and errors in the articles), but sometimes interesting articles slip through them.
    1. Kunar 8 November 2015 12: 01 New
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      Not much, but it seems .....
  8. Dimon19661 8 November 2015 11: 01 New
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    Before Syria, they were sure that we had nothing cooler than the AK-47 ???
  9. Denis DV 8 November 2015 11: 02 New
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    especially useful


    This is a joke, or a translation of this)))
    1. Good me 8 November 2015 11: 40 New
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      especially useful


      This is a joke, or a translation of this)))


      About the benefits ...

      In the "peaceful incarnation", flamethrowers "Lynx", "Bumblebee", and the like, are used to eliminate ice jams on rivers during ice drift ...
      1. Vladimirets 8 November 2015 11: 43 New
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        flamethrowers "Lynx", "Bumblebee", and the like, are used to eliminate ice jams on rivers during ice drift ...

        Where!? belay I heard about the use of aircraft bombs, but flamethrowers ... request
        1. Good me 8 November 2015 11: 54 New
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          Where!?


          http://www.soldiering.ru/army/incendiary_weapon/rus/rpo-a.php
          1. Vladimirets 8 November 2015 12: 14 New
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            Thank you for the link, but it contains the key phrase "RPO-A flamethrower can be effectively used to combat ice jams on rivers." That is, in reality, no one has ever done this. Ice jams bomb mainly on fairly large rivers, and there are such jams that even the FAB-250 are ineffective. How it is possible to organize with the help of "Bumblebee" an effective explosion under water and the thickness of the ice is not entirely clear. request
            1. Good me 8 November 2015 12: 45 New
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              How it is possible to organize with the help of "Bumblebee" an effective explosion under water and the thickness of the ice is not entirely clear.


              You don’t understand the physics of the process?

              But it's just ...
              An ice jam is a chaotic pile of ice “plates”, between which, naturally, cavities are present, into which, when the ammunition is triggered, the fire mixture penetrates. And thus, when undermined, all this “good”, “soars up” ... And in addition, the shock wave also hits the “underlying” surface of the ice, destroying and crushing it ...

              The rest will do the course of the river. It is only necessary to "help" her to move the "grasped" ice ...

              I see only one restriction on the use of such weapons to eliminate congestion, and specifically, LARGE RIVERS, with large areas of traffic jams.

              Right there, then, traditional weapons like bombing and bombing are more effective.
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                Quote: Good I
                Do not understand the physics of the process

                Do you mean the physics of the explosion? Or physics congestion?
                Quote: Good I
                An ice jam is a chaotic pile of ice “plates”, between which, naturally, cavities are present, into which, when the ammunition is triggered, the fire mixture penetrates.

                Cavities, of course, are present, only cavities filled with air, where, in fact, aerosol can penetrate, do not play any role in containing water pressure. Such an explosion has no effect on underwater piling. All guidelines for blasting indicate that an effective explosion requires sufficient burial of charges, which, of course, thermobaric ammunition cannot.
                Quote: Good I
                And besides, the shock wave also hits the “underlying” ice surface, destroying and crushing it ...

                Theoretically, yes, almost when a congestion occurs, the ice is located throughout the thickness of the water, resting on the bottom of the river.
  10. Vadim237 8 November 2015 11: 02 New
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    RMG, too, would have been terrified if it had spread across the countries of the world.
  11. MIKHAN 8 November 2015 11: 10 New
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    Always surprised, they know how to give our names to formidable weapons ..)))) Bumblebee, stings .. Rather, it fries ..!
  12. NordUral 8 November 2015 11: 13 New
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    A good argument for the re-education of moderate bandits.
  13. Santjaga_Garka 8 November 2015 11: 19 New
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    The weapon is reliable, powerful, tested by time and real military operations, watched the program about Bumblebees and other similar samples, it was impressive!
  14. cergey51046 8 November 2015 11: 29 New
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    Know ours. Let the fascists shake in the USA.
  15. gozmosZh 8 November 2015 11: 38 New
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    despite the "sweet name"

    darling? I just "banged" a bumblebee in my hand. the hand became huge, like a leg.
  16. Old26 8 November 2015 11: 38 New
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    But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty years old, and then he was "noticed"? Coincidence? Probably someone will soon start asking for money for new grenade launchers.

    They just got all these horrifying headlines. Has anyone read this article in Popular Mechanics? is it really written there that is terrifying or did it arouse interest? The flamethrower is indeed already under 40 years old ... The use in Afghanistan did not cause horror for this "popular" publication, in other regions, in Chechnya, too, but now it has caused ... More and more headlines have become in the vein of the "yellow press"
  17. tank64rus 8 November 2015 11: 42 New
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    We always have flamethrower weapons not inferior to Western models, and in the 70-80s there was a real breakthrough in the field of flamethrower weapons. This is the "Lynx" first infantry flamethrower, then RPO-A, Z, D "Bumblebee" and RPO-PDM "Prize". Heavy flamethrowers are TOCs "Pinocchio" and "Sunshine." At the root of everything stood the command of the RKhBZ troops under the leadership of Colonel General Pikalov, Design Bureau Shipunov, 33 Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and other organizations and collectives. All of them are very grateful to everyone who held this weapon in their hands.
  18. Old26 8 November 2015 11: 43 New
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    Know ours. Let the fascists shake in the USA.

    You know, there's a good expression from Dog Heart:
    "Do not read Soviet newspapers before eating"

    Soviet newspapers have long been gone, but there is a huge mass of publications that are written in the spirit of the "yellow press". And if it will be necessary for the rating, then they will write anything, anything, any nonsense. For example, that Makarov’s pistol is terrifying, or Russian barbaric weapons such as a slingshot. And will you believe? Of course, writing “let the fascists shake in the USA” is simple and most importantly you can earn pluses for it.
    1. tank64rus 8 November 2015 11: 59 New
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      I am a hereditary flamethrower, I shot and I know all our and foreign samples. Bumblebee is our flamethrower AK. And how it works, I can say that this time the yellow press is not lying and it happens.
    2. tank64rus 8 November 2015 11: 59 New
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      I am a hereditary flamethrower, I shot and I know all our and foreign samples. Bumblebee is our flamethrower AK. And how it works, I can say that this time the yellow press is not lying and it happens.
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  20. Averias 8 November 2015 11: 49 New
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    A friend said: During the Chechen company, militants from the windows of high-rise buildings sigal if they saw that the flame throwers from the "Bumblebee" go to the firing position. There is at least some chance to stay alive, while being in a building, the probability of survival tends to zero.
  21. vlad7777kul 8 November 2015 12: 03 New
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    Why is it that the Yankees drew attention to the “Bumblebee”? I watched the documentary film as they fought over a thermobaric charge for 7 years.
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      While they were fighting, we have long been blown up ATMs using a gas bottle.
  22. Anchonsha 8 November 2015 12: 15 New
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    Yes, the Syrians need to be armed in order to quickly end the war. And even more so. if the offensive takes place in cities where bandits hide in pillboxes, bunkers, then only such weapons will allow faster release of the territory.
    1. Artyom 8 November 2015 12: 29 New
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      Weapons are weapons, but we must also be able to fight! Here the other day, on the Anna News website, I watched the video as the Syrians stormed the heights, it became sad, she was completely gypsy, I can’t find any other comparison, there were almost no specialists left who were thinking in military affairs! They put almost all of them. And somehow it's all stupid. If the Syrians continue to fight like that, then the war will be endless and our aircraft will not help them.
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        I agree with you, I also saw the video and ohhh ... al so they will fight for 100 years if there are enough people. Weapons need competent soldiers.
  23. sabakina 8 November 2015 12: 24 New
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    Flamethrower "Bumblebee" terrifies

    Well, what can I say to that ....
  24. Anisim1977 8 November 2015 12: 25 New
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    If it has been produced for 40 years already, then there should be a lot of them in the warehouses. We can share with the allies from Syria not weakly. Considering that for the Baboons, death from fire covers the gates of their paradise for them - in general it is.
  25. Mountain shooter 8 November 2015 12: 28 New
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    There is also a small-sized “Bur”, 62 mm caliber, exactly for street fights. It was only in the 14th year adopted. A kind of bumblebee. Maybe they confused him? It is really new, and efficient, and convenient. And long-range (up to 650 meters sighting, and so - up to 900!).
    1. Rader 8 November 2015 14: 01 New
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      Hmm ... So Boer was accepted into service! It's good. It would be interesting to know which parts he went to. And so, yes, for urban combat, what you need is straight pocket artillery (it was promised that with a high-explosive impact it would be equivalent to a 122mm projectile)!
      P.S. However, I can not believe that the Boer was put in Syria.
  26. cniza 8 November 2015 12: 31 New
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    Yes, the Syrians need to be armed in order to quickly end the war. And even more so. if the offensive takes place in cities where bandits hide in pillboxes, bunkers, then only such weapons will allow faster release of the territory.


    And do not be shy about it, plus advertising for gunsmiths.
  27. Yak-3P 8 November 2015 13: 49 New
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    even a lot of 730 m. 300-500 maximum .. don’t come down the hill ..
  28. Alexl 8 November 2015 14: 53 New
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    I did not know that the "Popular Mechanics" is an American site. I will not read anymore.
  29. komandir8 8 November 2015 15: 02 New
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    So in the picture the latest grenade launcher "BUR". The Bumblebee-M model served as the basis for the development of a new small-sized grenade launcher complex. It was first demonstrated to the general public during the INTERPOLITEX exhibition. It happened in the fall of 2013. High marks from Russian experts inspired developers to demonstrate new weapons at the EUROSATORY-2014 exhibition, which was held in Paris. The visitors were presented with a unique development of Russian designers - the Bur rocket launcher.
    Different types of shots can be used for the BUR grenade launcher; sights of different types are suitable, they vary depending on conditions; ammunition is highly effective, despite the relatively small weight and dimensions; grenade launcher "Bur", the characteristics of which do not require significant space for firing, can be used even in small rooms with an area of ​​30 m³; safe to handle and reliable in battle; It is intended for firing from positions from a knee, lying, standing; convenient in transportation, can be used for airborne landing.
    The "Bur" grenade launcher, which TTX have several unique features, immediately after the appearance became the subject of increased attention of professionals. The maximum slaughter range of the gun is 950 meters, and the minimum distance at which you can hit the target is 25 meters. When using an optical sight, a fighter armed with a “Bur” is capable of conducting aimed fire from a distance of up to 650 meters. The trigger with an optical sight has a mass of up to 1,5 kg. The "Bur" grenade launcher with a thermobaric warhead can be used for combat at ambient temperatures ranging from -40 to + 60 ° C. The launcher is designed for at least five hundred shots. It was established that the “Bur” grenade launcher has the following accuracy in firing at a distance of two hundred meters: deviation in height (BB) - ≤ 0,5; side deviation (Wb) - ≤ 0,5. Currently, the production of these weapons has been established at the Tula Military Plant. The BelOMO Belarusian holding company has developed and created for the new grenade launcher several special types of sights: day, night and thermal imaging.
  30. Old26 8 November 2015 15: 35 New
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    I did not know that the "Popular Mechanics" is an American site. I will not read anymore.

    laughing fellow laughing
    It resembles a famous phrase: NAPPY GRANDMAN EARS FROZEN
    Do you need information or see first of all whose site is this?
    If the first - then you need to read (browse) everything, from the yellow press and ending with specialized resources. And draw conclusions from the gleaned information (preferably independently)
    If the second - limit the range of resources is best suited patriotic. There certainly will not be any "foreign". Only about ours and only in superlatives. I just do not recommend watching patriotic resources, because there suddenly they can say something good about the United States
  31. Kibl 8 November 2015 16: 37 New
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    Incendiary gadget !!!
  32. SCHNIFER 8 November 2015 16: 51 New
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    American publication: Russian flamethrower "Bumblebee" terrifies
  33. Prisoner 8 November 2015 17: 09 New
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    It will be a good help when clearing neighborhoods.
  34. samara-58 8 November 2015 19: 00 New
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    And you don’t have to shave your beards ... Probably like cucumbers !!! good
  35. drundel861 8 November 2015 19: 31 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: GSH-18
    And they already copied insolently and produce our RPG-7 in the States

    But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron? And much more was copied, for example, the first ballistic missile. A machine gun Maxim - this is an American development, "Che" do not resent?

    not American, but British !!!!! Once for that matter.
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      The truth is in the middle. smile
  36. Klos 8 November 2015 21: 00 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: GSH-18
    And they already copied insolently and produce our RPG-7 in the States

    But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron? And much more was copied, for example, the first ballistic missile. A machine gun Maxim - this is an American development, "Che" do not resent?

    If it comes to the defense capability of the homeland, then there is no embarrassment. I believe that the saved children and the elderly do not care what the soldiers stopped the enemy who came to kill them
  37. Whowhy 8 November 2015 22: 30 New
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    But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron?

    Well, another RPG-2 - you can somehow agree (although the shape of the charge is completely different - but the cumulative effect depends on it), but not the seven. The Germans did not have enough mind to combine a jet engine with a recoilless gun.
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    It is pleasant to read such epithets, of our sworn friends, about Russian weapons. They may think (seeing so many new products in the production of the military-industrial complex) that they should not climb into the den to the bear.
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    And as for the StG-44, look for yourself, well, after all, it looks like it looks like our AK.

    But as for me, it’s not at all like it.
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    Compilation is also a method. Why come up with something completely new, when you can get better from here, from here and from here, and this, this and this come up. Here is a new thing. More than half of the inventions are made that way.
  41. hohkn 9 November 2015 06: 40 New
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    But nothing that Bumblebee is already under forty years old, and then he was "noticed"?

    Well, the picture is actually not an old modification. This is RPO PDM-A "Bumblebee-M". Went to the series in 2011.
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    I watched the vidos, just a super unit)))) But most of all I was pleased with the ending of the video) For acquisition, contact .......
  43. andre 9 November 2015 10: 12 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: GSH-18
    You still say that Kalashnikov copied the AK-47 with the Sturmgewehr 44! And what did we put in them T-34 in the drawings! Well you give dear

    I won’t say anything about the T-34, because tanks with oblique armor in the USSR were already manufactured before the T-34.
    And as for StG-44, see for yourself, well, after all, he looks like our AK. And also the removal of powder gases. Prior to AK, not a single submachine gun in the USSR had the removal of powder gases (Sudaev, PPSh, Tokareva).
    Licked Kalashnikov all the best of the German automatic assault rifle. Yes, he developed a rotary shutter and as a result, this part of the machine is not like the StG-44. But the rotary shutter, as the most reliable, was "lapped" with the American M1 Garand 1943 rifle of the year. The most reliable rifle in the West and after the war.
    It’s just that Kalashnikov knew the weapons of the warring countries very well and did not invent anything new, but combined all the best from other people's designs. And of course, I had to create a lot in the machine myself.

    Alyosha vvy debil ??? Yes, much like guns on mortars, guns on beeping, etc. You are not like anyone
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: GSH-18
    You still say that Kalashnikov copied the AK-47 with the Sturmgewehr 44! And what did we put in them T-34 in the drawings! Well you give dear

    I won’t say anything about the T-34, because tanks with oblique armor in the USSR were already manufactured before the T-34.
    And as for StG-44, see for yourself, well, after all, he looks like our AK. And also the removal of powder gases. Prior to AK, not a single submachine gun in the USSR had the removal of powder gases (Sudaev, PPSh, Tokareva).
    Licked Kalashnikov all the best of the German automatic assault rifle. Yes, he developed a rotary shutter and as a result, this part of the machine is not like the StG-44. But the rotary shutter, as the most reliable, was "lapped" with the American M1 Garand 1943 rifle of the year. The most reliable rifle in the West and after the war.
    It’s just that Kalashnikov knew the weapons of the warring countries very well and did not invent anything new, but combined all the best from other people's designs. And of course, I had to create a lot in the machine myself.

    Well, if you think so, then all the designers are plagiarizing! They didn’t come up with a wheel!
  45. Wolka 9 November 2015 13: 19 New
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    Well, ISIS adversaries, now you understand that you are standing on this sinful earth ...
  46. Mihalich17 9 November 2015 13: 52 New
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    "Flight of the Bumblebee" - a great piece of music!
    Our flamethrower "Bumblebee" is just a work of art!)))
    Bravo to our gunsmiths !!!
  47. Old old 9 November 2015 22: 32 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: GSH-18
    And they already copied insolently and produce our RPG-7 in the States

    But doesn’t it bother you that the USSR insolently copied RPGs from the German Faustpatron? And much more was copied, for example, the first ballistic missile. A machine gun Maxim - this is an American development, "Che" do not resent?

    At least you looked at Faustpatron and RPGs and read about their device (the first - one-time, the second - reusable, etc.). Directly "similarity to a degree of confusion."
    Delivering a means of destruction to the target with the help of a jet (powder) engine began in China in the XNUMXth century, so the question is who and who "insolently copied".
    Or, in your opinion, the Russians "insolently copy", and the rest "wisely adopt experience"?
  48. Old old 9 November 2015 22: 54 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    Quote: Locksmith
    Let me ask, and what is there in common ??!

    But the principle of operation is almost the same - the barrel of the Faustpatron is open on both sides, when the propellant is ignited, part of the gases pushed the grenade forward, and the other (large) part pulled back from the barrel, forming a jet stream.
    Do you need Locksmith so that everything matches up to a millimeter? There were no such weapons in the USSR. And suddenly appeared in 1947


    Then they reduced the projectile from the BM-31 and used a pipe instead of rail guides.
    "82-mm RS-82 rockets were mounted on I-15, I-16, I-153 fighters. In the summer of 1939, the RS-82 on I-16 and I-153 fighters were successfully used in battles with Japanese troops on the Khalkhin-Gol river . "
    So who and who copied (in terms of missile armament of aircraft), is still a very big question.
  49. Old old 9 November 2015 23: 31 New
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    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    How did these "Westerners" get, constantly looking for the "legs" of Sturmgever in Kalashnikov! stop fool angry

    The Westerners a priori believe that in Russia / the USSR they themselves can’t think of anything, they can only steal or copy.
    And when it comes to AK, it’s only Soviet / Russian and not some clones.