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Each military specialty will receive its standards for physical training

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will prepare special standards for physical training for each military specialty, reports RIA News report by Oleg Botsman, Head of the Physical Training Department of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.




“We plan a gradual transition to individual requirements for physical training for each military specialty. It’s no secret that a tankman, a signalman or, for example, a pilot has a lot of specific requirements in this matter, ”the colonel said on air of the Russian Service News».

According to him, “at present, specialists of the Physical Training Department of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are creating for each specialty a special set of exercises and standards, which will be officially approved in the Russian Armed Forces in the near future.”

The boatswain noted that servicemen who have achieved great success in physical training are already being encouraged by cash bonuses.

“If earlier physical training was estimated at a five-point school, now the“ five ”is not the limit. After it, we have introduced levels of higher physical readiness. A soldier who reaches these levels receives monetary incentives as a percentage of his salary, ”the officer said.

“If, in addition to a high level of physical training, a soldier is professionally involved in sports and gets a discharge, then the potential premium increases,” he added.

However, getting a high premium is not easy. “Currently, only 14% of military personnel receive allowances for salary for physical training, and the highest possible bonuses are received by less than a thousand people,” said Botsman.

“The point is not in the number of awards, but in the growth trend of good and excellent marks. Previously, the "top three" received - and everyone is happy. Now, realizing that there is material and other types of incentives, the military do not stop at the "three", "four" and even "five", "- he explained.
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RIA NEWS / Vladimir Vyatkin
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 8 November 2015 10: 20 New
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    Correctly. The commando’s standard is in principle not reachable for the air defense system operator. Yes, and in general it is not necessary ...
    1. Tor5
      Tor5 8 November 2015 10: 26 New
      +9
      A very reasonable solution, the requirements for different specialists should be different.
      1. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 8 November 2015 19: 15 New
        +2
        Previously, they did not receive monetary rewards for physical training, but if, in front of V.F. Margelov, the guardsman was doing something unimaginable on the horizontal bar, then vacation was declared there in the sports camp. And this was considered the highest encouragement!
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 8 November 2015 10: 34 New
      14
      Quote: Vladimir
      Correctly. The commando’s standard is not reachable for the air defense system’s operator

      That's right!
      But the gradation in this regard was earlier, but, of course, it is advisable to clarify a lot here.
      The main problem is physical. training officers and warrant officers in the troops (excluding special forces), in my personal opinion, of course, this is something that is not for her, you see, of office time. The proper form should be achieved in the course of independent preparation, and in the office only credit.
      This is not true. Should at least 3 times a week, training is conducted on age groups of two academic hours, with the involvement of a specialist-nachfiza and a doctor, sports games.
      And then to sit at meetings, utter clever thoughts, there is time, but there is no time for a rather complicated and important matter.
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 8 November 2015 10: 44 New
        0
        That's right, you write. There is only one addition - doctors need to be freed from AF. It is superfluous.
    3. Slobber
      Slobber 8 November 2015 10: 35 New
      +3
      And fat-bellied generals will not go anywhere. Or the generals are a separate branch of the armed forces, with their own physical activities.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 8 November 2015 10: 44 New
        +8
        Quote: razgildyay
        And fat-bellied generals will not go anywhere. Or the generals are a separate branch of the armed forces, with their own physical activities.

        "Толстопузые" генералы это, конечно, плохо, только надо ещё учесть, что генералы, в подавляющей массе, люди немолодые и требовать от них спецназовских показателей глупо.
        1. yuriy55
          yuriy55 8 November 2015 10: 56 New
          -5
          "Толстопузые" генералы это, конечно, плохо, только надо ещё учесть, что генералы, в подавляющей массе, люди немолодые и требовать от них спецназовских показателей глупо.

          It is even more stupid to feed them to such a state and keep in such quantity. I don’t know a single VUS in the army, except for the cook, of course, where success depends on the stomach! laughing
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 8 November 2015 11: 03 New
            +6
            Quote: yuriy55
            keep in such quantity

            And in what quantity? In my opinion, you are replicating a long-standing myth, in our country and in the United States, about 1 general per thousand military personnel.
            1. yuriy55
              yuriy55 8 November 2015 12: 17 New
              -2
              And in what quantity? In my opinion, you are replicating a long-standing myth, in our country and in the United States, about 1 general per thousand military personnel.


              Who will tell you which? And who said that the US Army is an authoritative example for us? I had enough of these generals during the service. And there are myths to replicate here.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 8 November 2015 12: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: yuriy55
                And who said that the US Army is an authoritative example for us

                I did not say that I was authoritative, I simply compared, hinting at a common liberoid stamp.
      2. Mayor_U
        Mayor_U 8 November 2015 12: 10 New
        10
        Большая часть "толстопузых" генералов молодым фору дадут. Пузо при этом не помешает. Иди в армии послужи сначала знаток
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        2. creak
          creak 8 November 2015 17: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Mayor_U
          Puzo does not hurt.


          Возможно и не помешает - если считать, что это не пузо, а штабная грудь... Хорошего человека должно быть много...Хотя насчет форы - так это бабушка надвое сказала - когда служил, доводилось видеть разные "захватывающие" моменты - не случайно говорят -кто а врмии служил, тот в цирке не смеется...
    4. Tusv
      Tusv 8 November 2015 10: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      Correctly. The commando’s standard is in principle not reachable for the air defense system operator. Yes, and in general it is not necessary ...

      I am the operator of the air defense system. I learned to run a hundred-meter race a little under 12 seconds and a kilometer for 2 with poltiny. The commandos almost do not need it
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 8 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +2
        Kilometer in 2,5 minutes? But nothing that 2,5 minutes - this is the CCM. 2 min 55 s - this is 100 points for the new NFP for people under 35 years old.
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 8 November 2015 11: 28 New
          +4
          Quote: Maksus
          Kilometer in 2,5 minutes? But nothing that 2,5 minutes - this is the CCM. 2 min 55 s - this is 100 points for the new NFP for people under 35 years old.

          And that the air defense system operator cannot be a candidate for master of sports?
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 8 November 2015 12: 13 New
          +6
          Quote: Maksus
          A kilometer in 2,5 minutes? But nothing, that 2,5 minutes is the CCM. 2 min 55 s - this is 100 points for the new NFP for the age of 35 years

          Yes, I myself am the CCM in three sports: Sambo, Judo, Military Applied All-round. Even on hateful skis, it’s 1st category. But I learned to run fast to the sounds of a siren, announcing readiness number one
          1. Andrey NM
            Andrey NM 8 November 2015 13: 21 New
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            В далеких 80-х попала наша дивизия ПЛ под московскую проверку по физподготовке. Приходит экипаж с автономки, а их заставляют подтягиваться, бегать и т.д. А какие нормативы будут, когда без нормального движения столько времени? Конечно, двоек понахватали... И вот собрали офицеров в ДОФе, московский майор из комиссии с трибуны вещает, что физподготовка - это основной вид боевой подготовки, как вы вообще задачи выполняете, и т.д. И вот на середине речи с места один из командиров перебивает этого майора и говорит:"Тащ майор, да что Вы тут нам несете? Если бы физподготовка была бы основой всего, то все евреи на турниках бы болтались, а они в шахматы играют..." Зал был просто в ауте. У этого командира уже был подписан приказ на перевод в Питер на вышестоящую должность.

            А вообще отношение к спорту у нас в стране никакое. Дети занимаются за деньги, соревнования - за деньги, инвентарь - за деньги. У меня сын - мастер спорта по плаванию, 17 лет, следующим летом поступать в ВУЗ. За бассейн перестали платить, когда он стал КМСом. В этом году ребята из его команды поступили в университет. Вы думаете, спортивные достижения дали какие-то преимущества? Парень, чемпион мира и обладатель кубка мира этого года среди юношей - плюс 3 балла к ЕГЭ. И тут же значки ГТО дают те же 3 дополнительных балла. Ладно, если бы парень был, мягко говоря, тупым, но он и учится хорошо, русский на 100 баллов написал, остальные за 70 баллов. Когда он выиграл чемпионат и взял кубок, ему частично компенсировали дорогу и проживание. И все, остальное за родительский счет. Спрашивается, зачем защищать честь страны, если страна так к тебе относится? А руководство федераций заняты зарабатыванием денег разными способами. У преподавателей ВУЗов установка, "валить" студента на тройки, чтобы не платить стипендии. А у спортсмена-студента нет основной стипендии, нет и спортивной надбавки. Но при этом ВУЗ везде отчитывается, какие у него замечательные спортсмены. И на учебу поблажек никто не дает, что, в принципе, правильно.
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 8 November 2015 15: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: Andrew NM
              In general, there is no relation to sport in our country. Children do it for money, competitions for money, equipment for money. My son is a master of sports in swimming,

              And where not for the money? In the Soviet Union, the Sambo-Judo section is 10 rubles a month. The judo equipment is .70 pe white and 70 pe blue otherwise, according to Sambo wrestling 20 pe Jacket 35. Should we talk about traveling to Baranavichy or Šiauliai? And in Gumista to train? 35 plus 35 only the road. All at the parent's expense, if you are not a CCM. The first competition is ... It's a pity then there were no smartphones - Who is dressed in oshto. Sam sewed a kimano per night
              And God forbid you will have a run on a training session - dosvidos.
              1. starpom
                starpom 8 November 2015 19: 22 New
                +5
                Quote: Tusv
                In the Soviet Union, the Sambo-Judo section is 10 rubles a month.

                I bet you. Sevastopol 1981-85. Freestyle wrestling. EVERYTHING IS FREE!
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 8 November 2015 20: 08 New
                  0
                  Quote: starpom
                  I bet you. Sevastopol 1981-85. Freestyle wrestling. EVERYTHING IS FREE!

                  I can’t say anything about free. I do not know
                  1983-1985 Captain
              2. Andrey NM
                Andrey NM 9 November 2015 05: 03 New
                +1
                Ну не знаю. Я в 70-х занимался дзю-до, кимоно свое, а занятия и все остальное бесплатно. Одноклассники занимались хоккеем, только коньки первое время были свои, клюшки, снаряжение выдавали. Да я свои первые водительские права получил в 10 лет, назывались "юношеские 3 класса", давали право ездить по специализированным автодромам. Помню, занимались на раздолбанном Москвиче-408, ни копейки это не стоило. Потом сдали на второй и первый класс. Юношеские права 1 класса давали право в 18 лет поменять их на взрослые права категории "В", категорию "С" открыть после сдачи вождения, да, и с 16 лет можно было ездить по дорогам общего пользования в сопровождении взрослого.. Но у нас в школе был еще и УПК, где было автодело, и практически весь наш класс закончил школу с правами, а юношеские у меня лежат в общей куче с фотографиями как память. оплатили только стоимость бланка прав и фотографии. Вот за музыкалку платили, и прилично, сначала 16, потом 25 рублей в месяц.
          2. Maksus
            Maksus 8 November 2015 17: 26 New
            0
            Well then, take off my hat hi
          3. anfil
            anfil 8 November 2015 18: 48 New
            0
            Just don’t tell our opponent about this.
    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 8 November 2015 14: 24 New
      0
      Вообще-то уже сейчас есть деление по нормативам для "штабных", "строевых" и "головорезов", условно говоря. Если управлению физподготовки больше заняться нечем, то пусть развлекаются конечно. А вообще, когда офицера в спортзал гонит только алчность laughing , то это как то странно. Собственную физ форму надо постоянно поддерживать, тем более что в строевых частях для этого полно времени в течение рабочего дня по плану учебных занятий. "Управленцам" по сложившейся практике вот приходится заниматься в личное время - это правда... soldier
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 8 November 2015 16: 46 New
        0
        For scientific companies, will there be a standard for an expander? They are holding a mouse in their hand, and they are poking their fingers.
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 8 November 2015 10: 26 New
    +4
    Finally, they began to recognize the problems of our younger generation, even in the army.
    It’s time to revive the TRP, DOSAAAF system, bring sports sections to accessibility, and of course, the state should pursue a healthy lifestyle policy — and not become rich at all costs!
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 8 November 2015 10: 44 New
      +6
      Advocacy for sports. Well, you’ll go to sports shops, look at prices, fuck yourself and go on. But beer ... for cheap.
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 8 November 2015 11: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Advocacy for sports. Well, you’ll go to sports shops, look at prices, fuck yourself and go on. But beer ... for cheap.

        А Вам обязательно надо спортом заниматься только в брендовой спортформе и на/с брендовым спортинвентарем? Говоря по простому "Вам шашечи? Или ехать?".
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 8 November 2015 14: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: pv1005
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Advocacy for sports. Well, you’ll go to sports shops, look at prices, fuck yourself and go on. But beer ... for cheap.

          А Вам обязательно надо спортом заниматься только в брендовой спортформе и на/с брендовым спортинвентарем? Говоря по простому "Вам шашечи? Или ехать?".

          The fact of the matter is that even a simple inventory is expensive, and branded equipment in general from the category of space prices. You can, of course, take some junk, but it can already be hazardous to health.

          Well, how did it get ... Do we have that, Megaphone has become a Romanian company? Or does the site determine this?
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 8 November 2015 16: 19 New
          0
          Quote: pv1005
          Говоря по простому "Вам шашечи? Или ехать?".

          С одной стороны конечно "ехать",но с другой и не брендовые вещи сейчас ценятся почти в уровень.В свое время заводы выпускающие спорт инвентарь разорились и сейчас обычные лыжи,клюшки,и гантели что в космос слетать.
          I’m not saying that modern youth should be kicked to sports grounds, but with such a price tag they’d better buy another gadget for themselves, all around are your computer geniuses. m ..
      2. Archon
        Archon 8 November 2015 15: 51 New
        +3
        Prices in the sports store:

        2 neck 749 * 2 = 1498
        4 pancake according to 5 kg 4 * 999 = 3996
        4 pancake according to 2,5 kg 4 * 999 = 3996
        Horizontal bar 1249
        mat (for convenience) 329
        999 sneakers
        punching bag 1599

        total: 13666 rubles

        You can not buy everything at once, but in several parts so that the discounts work. then 4 thousand can be thrown off.

        this amount is quite real even for an engineer with a salary of 20000 rubles.

        for comparison - SLR cameras cost from 30 thousand rubles, lenses to them from 20 thousand rubles, and the average Apple iPhone 6 generally costs 43 thousand rubles. so sports equipment is not expensive.

        The main exercise is push-ups. for him there are many options and do not need anything but sex. Instead of racks for push-ups, you can use dumbbells. Nothing is needed for the press either (a rug if the floor is cold). For pull-ups - horizontal bar. For biceps, triceps, quadriceps and everything else - two typesetting dumbbells and a program. Squats and standing and a half also do not require shells. Pear for the development of a blow. You can run on the spot, jump on the spot, even a jump rope is not needed. Comprehensive exercises generally make anyone hellishly sweat.

        The main problem is proper nutrition. The cheapest are home-made cottage cheese and fruit smoothies and fish, eggs. Everything else is expensive or unsafe.
  3. Afinogen
    Afinogen 8 November 2015 10: 27 New
    +1
    And a backpack - like generals, too, should have standards, or they can hardly get in a car, and if tomorrow the war will be like fighting laughing
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 8 November 2015 10: 44 New
      +9
      .
      Quote: Athenogen
      And a backpack - like generals, too, should have standards, or they can hardly get in a car, and if tomorrow the war will be like fighting laughing


      I would prefer that they think with their head, and not play with the muscle.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 8 November 2015 11: 03 New
        +5
        I would prefer that they think with their head, and not play with the muscle.


        I have another historical example:
        1. Afinogen
          Afinogen 8 November 2015 11: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: yuriy55
          I have another historical example:


          Good example good

          "В здоровом теле — здоро́вый дух" Выражение это возникло из 10 й сатиры древнеримского поэта Ювенала, у которого сказано: Надо молить, чтобы ум (дух) был здравым в теле здоровом . Употребляется как формула, выражающая гармоничное развитие физических и духовных сил.…
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 8 November 2015 10: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Athenogen
      And a backpack - like generals should also have standards

      Generals have other tasks. They need to plan everything, and not ruin everything in their path ...
  4. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 8 November 2015 10: 29 New
    +4
    I think we should not encourage the improvement of physical training financially, but ... without fail. My opinion.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2015 10: 30 New
    +3
    a tankman, a signalman or, for example, a pilot has a lot of specific requirements in this matter

    There was some difference in Soviet times. Example: the obstacle course in the combined arms school was slightly different from the one in the tank school (a sandbox (projectile) was added there, which had to be moved), so the time standards were different. The time limit for cross-country skiing at 3 km in the combined arms was higher (i.e. it was necessary to run faster), well, etc. In general, the idea is good and useful.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 8 November 2015 10: 40 New
      +2
      В общем то согласен, вот только Ваше слово "некоторые", не корректно по моему. Тех же погранцов, как на " марафон" натаскивали! Так что похоже нововведения сводятся к некой корректировке норм и материальному поощрению. А это спорно, хотя и карману полезно.
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 8 November 2015 11: 04 New
        0
        For encouragement, people work with more zeal than from under the stick.
        The main thing is that they do not make a cut about the incentives ...
  6. Million
    Million 8 November 2015 10: 30 New
    +3
    Some kind of mandatory minimum should be for everyone. Then, according to the specifics of the service
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 8 November 2015 11: 11 New
      +6
      Some kind of mandatory minimum should be for everyone. Then, according to the specifics of the service


      A good and correct thought, you can even don’t surrender:
      1. Height in cm - 100 = weight in kg x age coefficient
      2. Waist size in cm based on height and age

      In a word, a serviceman should look neat and nice to the lady’s eye ... yes
      1. corn
        corn 8 November 2015 17: 46 New
        0
        Quote: yuriy55
        1. Height in cm - 100 = weight in kg x age coefficient

        "...32 года: рост — 184 см, вес — 114 кг..."
        BMI (body mass index) - 1st degree obesity. According to your method: 114: 84 = 1,36, 35% excess body weight, second degree obesity.
        And the data of Ivan Poddubny.

        "Словом, военнослужащий должен выглядеть опрятно и глазу дамскому приятно..." А это бесспорно.
        The criterion can only be the implementation of physical fitness standards. Not fulfilled - retake in a month, not fulfilled in a month - two more months, not fulfilled - dismissal due to official non-compliance.
        1. RED_ICE
          RED_ICE 8 November 2015 19: 39 New
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          6 months are given for preparation and retake.
  7. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 8 November 2015 10: 30 New
    +2
    It is very pleasant that adequate, thinking people came to the leadership of the Armed Forces. Indeed, physical training should reflect the characteristics of the military specialty.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 8 November 2015 11: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: ODERVIT
      It is very pleasant that adequate, thinking people came to the leadership of the Armed Forces. Indeed, physical training should reflect the characteristics of the military specialty.

      Could it be all the same for the type of troops (motorized rifle, tank, material support units), and not according to the military academy? And then it WRONG will be different physico standards for the shooter, senior gunner, sniper, grenade launcher of one motorized rifle squad.
  8. andr327
    andr327 8 November 2015 10: 38 New
    +3
    Физподготовка - это хорошо, но все-таки лучше за спецподготовку добавили. Очень часто в армии проводятся разные компании: то физо, то "язык без мата", то борьба с дедовщиной и т.п.
    I know from the former service that physically pumping is easier and faster than preparing a worthy specialist.
    But the creation of standards for various specialties is necessary to compare the necessary training of the scout and the numbers of the combat crew of the Strategic Missile Forces.
  9. roskot
    roskot 8 November 2015 10: 44 New
    +6
    Physical training should be from childhood.
    And under the supervision of a coach.
    1. I am Russian
      I am Russian 8 November 2015 11: 03 New
      +2
      roskot
      Physical training should be from childhood.
      And under the supervision of a coach.


      And under the supervision and example of a father.
  10. Hello
    Hello 8 November 2015 11: 17 New
    +2
    Interesting information, I agree that for example, infantry and submariners have different tasks and priorities and they need to be prepared in different ways. But I believe that all military personnel should have some kind of general physical training regardless of the age of the position and rank. We all came to the army with different physical data in this and it makes sense for the army to melt, so to speak, all on one level. And then from this base to develop each his own. Something like that.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 8 November 2015 21: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Hello
      submariners have different tasks and priorities and they need to be prepared in different ways.

      Submariners, on the contrary, need to load more, since they lead a sedentary lifestyle on a submarine.
      I don’t know how on our submarines, but on American there are treadmills and exercise bikes, and simulators for the press, etc. etc.
      1. Hello
        Hello 8 November 2015 21: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Submariners, on the contrary, need to load more, since they lead a sedentary lifestyle on a submarine.
        I don’t know how on our submarines, but on American there are treadmills and exercise bikes, and simulators for the press, etc. etc.

        I am for it, I mean that a certain general level is necessary for all, and only then certain requirements for each kind of troops wink
  11. Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 8 November 2015 11: 20 New
    0
    What is there to discuss - everything is correct, everything is obvious ... And in specific types of troops with a change in the types of weapons, the standards and requirements for AF should be adjusted. Example of Strategic Missile Forces - for mine launchers, there was an emphasis on hundred-metering (so that the calculation of autonomous start-up could quickly jump out of the mine and retreat into a shelter by car) and a specialized obstacle course (simulating mine elements). When putting into service the soil mobile complexes, the specialized obstacle course became not relevant, the combined arms completely arranged for general development. And the hundred-metering also ceased to be a stumbling block (for 120 seconds, running 150 m before the shelter is not a big problem, even with a belly laughing , and the calculation of autonomous launch during this time will already be even further on the armor ...)
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 8 November 2015 11: 53 New
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      I agree on something, especially on 100-ke,
      The set of basic types should still be the same - the standards are different. The same 3km - to increase endurance - is needed by everyone (the pilots were out of work, but nevertheless, in which case he just needed to be able to run)
  12. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 8 November 2015 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Vladimir
    Correctly. The commando’s standard is in principle not reachable for the air defense system operator. Yes, and in general it is not necessary ...

    I am the operator of the air defense system. I learned to run a hundred-meter race a little under 12 seconds and a kilometer for 2 with poltiny. The commandos almost do not need it

    Storyteller lol ! Although the estimated standards of NFP-87 or NFP-2000 seen in the eye then? Unless Superman il Betman! Less than 12 sec weaving !!!! Yes, in boots, a dreamer, however!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 8 November 2015 14: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: astronom1973n
      ! Although the estimated standards of NFP-87 or NFP-2000 seen in the eye then? Unless Superman il Betman! Less than 12 sec weaving !!!! Yes, in boots, a dreamer, however!

      Not. Not in boots. In the Soviet Union, air defense officers have uniform number 100. Sneakers are cowards and a T-shirt. Drafted into the army: Stomerovka 14 no matter how much it ran, kilometer 4 minutes plus minus 1,5 seconds 3 km 12.52. Pulling up - 25 could have done more with nines and with an exit, but they didn’t give it anymore - climb down do not occupy the bar. But the border is making significant changes. The combat readiness of the complex will not forgive you when you have eyes. Voila, after a year, 12 times of pull-ups with difficulty, but less than 12 seconds a hundred meter and 2 with a half kilometer and 15 minutes 3 km.
  13. fest 1973
    fest 1973 8 November 2015 12: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Vladimir
    Correctly. The commando’s standard is in principle not reachable for the air defense system operator. Yes, and in general it is not necessary ...

    I am the operator of the air defense system. I learned to run a hundred-meter race a little under 12 seconds and a kilometer for 2 with poltiny. The commandos almost do not need it

    Storyteller lol ! Although the estimated standards of NFP-87 or NFP-2000 seen in the eye then? Unless Superman il Betman! Less than 12 sec weaving !!!! Yes, in boots, a dreamer, however!

    I ran 100 meters in a technical school in 12 seconds, and there were no problems running in the army. You’d better go to count the stars!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 8 November 2015 20: 58 New
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      Quote: fest
      I ran 100 meters in a technical school in 12 seconds, and there were no problems running in the army. You’d better go to count the stars!

      That’s the point, but some say it’s possible, but it doesn’t inspire confidence
  14. sabakina
    sabakina 8 November 2015 12: 40 New
    +1
    I’m not a military man, so I won’t comment on this particular news, the servicemen will speak for me.
    Просто у меня в мозгу свербит одна мысль "бревно, бревно, бревно"....Потом понял почему. С бревном тягают либо спецназ США, либо клоуны...
    PS I do not know how to make a combipost, so it will be in two.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 8 November 2015 12: 41 New
      +1
      Continued ...
    2. atalef
      atalef 8 November 2015 12: 49 New
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      Quote: sabakina
      I’m not a military man, so I won’t comment on this particular news, the servicemen will speak for me.
      Просто у меня в мозгу свербит одна мысль "бревно, бревно, бревно".....

      Really pretty strange associations, in a man, with a female avatar
  15. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 8 November 2015 13: 21 New
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    Quote: fest 1973
    Quote: astronom1973n
    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Vladimir
    Correctly. The commando’s standard is in principle not reachable for the air defense system operator. Yes, and in general it is not necessary ...

    I am the operator of the air defense system. I learned to run a hundred-meter race a little under 12 seconds and a kilometer for 2 with poltiny. The commandos almost do not need it

    Storyteller lol ! Although the estimated standards of NFP-87 or NFP-2000 seen in the eye then? Unless Superman il Betman! Less than 12 sec weaving !!!! Yes, in boots, a dreamer, however!

    I ran 100 meters in a technical school in 12 seconds, and there were no problems running in the army. You’d better go to count the stars!
    Here are the data, check out:
    2. Airborne troops (according to "NFP-87"):

    • Running for 3 km - 12,3 minutes;
    • 5 km ski race - 28 min;
    • Cross for 5 km - 24 minutes;
    • Pulling up on a crossbeam - 13;
    • Running on 100 m - 14,1 seconds;
    • Ski march for 10 km as part of the unit - 1 h 15 min;
    • March march as part of a unit at 10 km - 56 min;
    • 3. Special Forces (SPN) and reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces (according to "NFP-87"):

    • Running for 3 km - 12,3 minutes;
    • 5 km ski race - 28 min;
    • Cross for 5 km - 24 minutes;
    • Pulling up on a crossbeam - 13;
    • Integrated strength exercise - 48;
    • Running on 100 m - 14,1 seconds;
    <br>•
    The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation:

    1. Officers and staff:

    • Running for 3 km - 12,3 minutes;
    • 5 km ski race - 28 min;
    • Running for 1 km - 4 minutes 25 seconds;
    • Pulling up on a crossbeam - 10;
    • Running on 100 meters - 14,4.

    2. Special forces ("Alpha", "Vympel", Special Forces FSO, SBP and others):

    • Pullups on the crossbar - 25 times;
    • Push-ups from the floor - 90 times;
    • Running 100 meters - 12.7 seconds;
    • Shuttle run 10 for 10 - 25 seconds;
    • Cross 3 km - 11 minutes;
    • Bench press lying (own weight, but not more than 100 kg) - 10 times;

    Исходя из вышеизложенных нормативов как НФП-87 так и НФП-2009 Вы наверное боец группы "Альфа".Я то звезды посчитаю,но нормативы по этим НФП выполнял и знаком с ними,в отличии от Вас уважаемый.И в ВС прослужил достаточно ,чтобы такие комментарии писать.Если Вам интересно ,то сначала почитайте НФП,а затем спорьте.А то отдельные комментарии больше на сказки похожи. lol
    1. corn
      corn 8 November 2015 18: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: astronom1973n
      individual comments are more like fairy tales

      Capercaillie on current will not appreciate. And you plus for the comment.
    2. RED_ICE
      RED_ICE 8 November 2015 19: 33 New
      +1
      It is also necessary to add that each age category has its own standards.
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 8 November 2015 21: 18 New
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      Quote: astronom1973n
      Here are the data, check out:
      2. Airborne troops (according to "NFP-87"):

      • Running for 3 km - 12,3 minutes;
      • 5 km ski race - 28 min;
      • Cross for 5 km - 24 minutes;
      • Pulling up on a crossbeam - 13;
      • Running on 100 m - 14,1 seconds;
      • Ski march for 10 km as part of the unit - 1 h 15 min;
      • March march as part of a unit at 10 km - 56 min;
      • 3. Special Forces (SPN) and reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces (according to "NFP-87"):

      • Running for 3 km - 12,3 minutes;
      • 5 km ski race - 28 min;
      • Cross for 5 km - 24 minutes;
      • Pulling up on a crossbeam - 13;
      • Integrated strength exercise - 48;
      • Running on 100 m - 14,1 seconds;
      <br>•
      The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation and the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation:

      1. Officers and staff:

      • Running for 3 km - 12,3 minutes;
      • 5 km ski race - 28 min;
      • Running for 1 km - 4 minutes 25 seconds;
      • Pulling up on a crossbeam - 10;
      • Running on 100 meters - 14,4.

      2. Special forces ("Alpha", "Vympel", Special Forces FSO, SBP and others):

      • Pullups on the crossbar - 25 times;
      • Push-ups from the floor - 90 times;
      • Running 100 meters - 12.7 seconds;
      • Shuttle run 10 for 10 - 25 seconds;
      • Cross 3 km - 11 minutes;
      • Bench press lying (own weight, but not more than 100 kg) - 10 times;

      Исходя из вышеизложенных нормативов как НФП-87 так и НФП-2009 Вы наверное боец группы "Альфа".Я то звезды посчитаю,но нормативы по этим НФП выполнял и знаком с ними,в отличии от Вас уважаемый.И в ВС прослужил достаточно ,чтобы такие комментарии писать.Если Вам интересно ,то сначала почитайте НФП,а затем спорьте.А то отдельные комментарии больше на сказки похожи.

      In our army, it’s interesting to have standards and comply with them as you want, you need to introduce intermediate standards for push-ups, squats, dumbbells, and swinging the press. If you pass these standards, then pull-ups and running, etc. etc.
  16. Love
    Love 8 November 2015 14: 40 New
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    It is the state that needs to carry out a targeted policy to recreate the MASS, i.e. First of all ACCESSIBLE sport! And today, beer is indeed cheaper than a one-time visit to the pool (and even + inventory). Here is such arithmetic ...

    Недавно по "ящику" министр спорта Мутко говорил, что по стране практически каждую неделю открывается какой-нибудь спортивный объект. Если такая тенденция сохранится впредь и надолго, то еще можно что-то исправить. НО! Для просторов нашей Родины это ничтожно мало, а здоровый и выносливый боец армии нужен уже сегодня... Да и не только армии...
  17. faterdom
    faterdom 8 November 2015 17: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: razgildyay
    And fat-bellied generals will not go anywhere. Or the generals are a separate branch of the armed forces, with their own physical activities.

    Generals, especially top military leaders should be valued only by results. Measure them with any IQ tests or physical training - a few, lightly, or something.
    Хотя, как говорил Суворов: "в здоровом теле - здоровый дух!", но когда сильно приперло державу, позвали уже тучного и одноглазого престарелого отставника Кутузова спасать Россию. От склонного к полноте Наполеона.
  18. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 8 November 2015 19: 28 New
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    It’s strange. We have different standards for fp: for special units alone, for ordinary units second, for headquarters third.
  19. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 8 November 2015 21: 23 New
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    I myself do physical education at home (every other day), first you need to demand from the soldiers the delivery of such standards:
    1 set of 250 squats
    1 set of 250 reps, press swing
    4th set of 50 leg raises on the back
    3 sets of 36 push ups
    10 kilogram dumbbell, bending arms at the elbow, lifting the dumbbell up, boxing kicks from the dumbbell from yourself, 36 repetitions of all these exercises.
    After half a year, pulling up and running will pass everything perfectly.
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 9 November 2015 00: 48 New
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      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      After half a year, pulling up and running will pass everything perfectly.

      If they survive))
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 9 November 2015 20: 17 New
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        Quote: Rivares
        If they survive))

        Секрет в том чтобы не "перегореть" от таких нагрузок нужно крепкое кофе пить(в армии можно очень крепким чёрным чаем поить), я когда начал заниматься давление упало до 110 на 60, пульс около 60 ударов, чтобы не чувствовать слабость пью крепкий кофе(0,5 литра воды, 7 чайных ложек сублимированного кофе).
        At first it just seems difficult, the main thing is a systematic approach. Then return to the citizen with cubes on the torso, with embossed muscles on the arms and legs.
        You can start with less stress and plan to go to those that I wrote.
  20. 25ru
    25ru 9 November 2015 05: 48 New
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    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
    1 set of 250 squats
    1 set of 250 reps, press swing
    4th set of 50 leg raises on the back
    3 sets of 36 push ups
    10 kilogram dumbbell, bending arms at the elbow, lifting the dumbbell up, boxing kicks from the dumbbell from yourself, 36 repetitions of all these exercises.
    After half a year, pulling up and running will pass everything perfectly.

    And he is a citizen. By non-fulfillment of the terms of the contract (and it will start with the submission of the garrison’s military prosecutor’s office to appeal to military servicemen for a call to the barracks or to the ship for a long time? All telephones are posted in a prominent place).
    NFP-2009 canceled?
    PS Why with my flag? Vladivostok - Europe?