Underwater demining device found near the Nord Stream gas pipeline

An abandoned deserted underwater mine clearance device (ROV) was discovered in international waters south of the Swedish island of Gotland near the Nord Stream gas pipeline, reports Look with reference to the representative of the Armed Forces of Sweden Jesper Stolpe.

“According to Nord Stream, this is a one-time ROV, remotely controlled vehicle. Such devices are used to deactivate old mines, and the device itself also explodes at the same time, ”Stolpe said after talking with the pipeline management company.

The device was discovered by Nord Stream AG officers during the inspection of the pipeline, they reported the find to the Swedish military.

According to Stolpe, “such vehicles are used by the military of many countries involved in demining in the Baltic Sea, therefore, it is impossible to say now who owns it.”

“At the moment, the facility does not pose a danger to either the gas pipeline or the sea traffic in the area. But an explosive device can be a potential danger if it is mistreated, ”the official said, adding that military experts“ rule out the possibility of sabotage. ”

“Nord Stream asked us for assistance, advice and assistance in removing the object,” said Stolpe. According to him, military experts will help, however, "the decision on what to do with the device can be made no earlier than Monday."

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[Armored optimist]

The interests of the United States and Europe regarding the supply of gas from Russia are directly opposite. It was just a study of the approaches. Explode at the right time. In the meantime, just a hint, a warning.

[vovanpain]

they reported the find to the Swedish military.

Here the Swedes give, they were looking for a Russian submarine, but they found an old mine clearing apparatus.

[shasherin.pavel]

Apparently they were really looking, and not carelessly. And the Lord said: "Seek and you will find."

[Ramzaj99]

This is essentially a sabotage .... Though a failed one, but a sabotage ... If our authorities even swallow it ..... I don’t even know ......

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: vovanpain

Here the Swedes give, they were looking for a Russian submarine, but they found an old mine clearing apparatus.

In the morning, colleague, the thought arises that whoever is looking will always find something. Now no one will say that the Swedes were looking in vain or bad "sea search engines" in the depths of the sea, and the fact that this is not our submarine has no special meaning for them, they found it!

[Armored optimist]

Not Swedes Found
Quote
The device was discovered by Nord Stream AG officers during the inspection of the pipeline, they reported the find to the Swedish military.

[veksha50]

Quote: vovanpain

,but found old mine clearing machine.

The word "old" is not even mentioned ... Abandoned, disposable ... And whether "abandoned", if it is disposable and serves to undermine old mines ???

[Maxom75]

And my ancestor threw a galosh into the sea somewhere in the year of 1915. maybe the Swedes will also find, but what good disappear then?))

[figwam]

Here the Swedes give, they were looking for a Russian submarine, but they found an old mine clearing apparatus

That's what that elusive submarine did off the coast of Sweden, it mined the pipe, and the Swedes were sure that it was Russian.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: vovanpain

Nord Stream AG

How can you confuse Switzerland with Sweden? The illiteracy of some VO readers is simply limitless.
Wikipedia: "Nord Stream AG is a Swiss company created to operate the Nord Stream gas pipeline (formerly the North European Gas Pipeline). It is headquartered in Zug, Switzerland."

[Bayonet]

Quote: armored optimist

In the meantime, just a hint, a warning.

I wonder how long it was lying there, this lost "warning"?

[veksha50]

Quote: Bayonet

I wonder how long it was lying there, this lost "warning"?

Not so long ... As far as I understand, for safety reasons, underwater highways are regularly examined ...

[gjv]

Quote: veksha50

As far as I understand, for safety reasons, underwater highways are regularly examined ...

Having received the F101 certificate for the operation of an offshore gas pipeline, Nord Stream has committed itself to improving the integrity of the gas pipeline throughout its life. An example of the principle of dynamic integrity control is the frequency of internal and external gas pipeline inspections in accordance with the requirements of DNV in the next few years. In the early years of operation, inspections are carried out annually. Each year, the results are compared with the results of the previous year, and if the stable state of the gas pipeline is confirmed within two to three years, inspections will be less frequent.
http://www.nord-stream.com/ru/ekspluatatsiya/tekhnicheskoe-obsluzhivanie/

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bayonet

I wonder how long it was lying there, this lost "warning"?

It seems that a completely fresh "loss".
Here on the copper, the State Department expressed "concerned concern" that Nord Stream-2 would leave Durkaina without 2 billion greens for gas transit (who will feed Svidomo?).
So they hinted by this device that the Ukrainian transit will be more reliable.
Probably it is necessary to dig a dozen holes in the Ukrainian pipe as an alaverda - they say there are no guarantees at all.

[AlexTires]

A couple of "found" sea mines near gas carriers and the thought of blowing up the pipe will disappear from the heads of competitors ...

[Amurets]

Quote: armored optimist

It was just a study of the approaches.

It looks like this is the work of the heirs of "Helibat". The CIA worked out such dirty tricks in the Bereng Sea, in the Pacific Ocean, when they found the K-129 missile carrier, they can slowly work in the Sargasso Sea, where the K-219 sank. There is nothing sacred for them. - they smelled that our reconnaissance ship was passing along the coast of the United States. And it was, in addition to the Gulf of Mexico, in the Sargasso Sea where our missile carrier sank.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Amurets

The CIA worked such dirty tricks in the Bering Sea, in the Pacific Ocean, when they found the K-129 missile carrier

The search for the K-129 submarine continued for 73 days. After their completion, the relatives and friends of all crew members received a funeral with a cynical record "recognized as dead." It seems that they forgot about 98 submariners. And the Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Navy S. G. Gorshkov made an unprecedented statement, refusing to acknowledge the death of the submarine and the entire crew. The official refusal of the USSR government from the sunken K-129 led to the fact that it became "orphaned property", so any country that discovered the missing submarine would be considered its owner (which the United States used). And of course, everything inside the submarine. If you consider that in those days, all submarines going on a hike from the shores of the USSR, the number was painted over, then if a K-129 were found, it would not even have identification marks.

Quote: Amurets

For them there is nothing holy.

The bodies of the six dead submariners were removed from the bow of the ship and buried with honors at sea according to the ritual adopted by the Soviet Navy. The sarcophagus with the bodies was covered with the flag of the Navy of the USSR and lowered into the sea to the sounds of the national anthem of the Soviet Union.

[Civil]

Encroached on the most sacred thing - the gas pipeline! Shareholders will not forgive this.

[gjv]

Quote: Civil

Shareholders will not forgive this.

Nord Stream / Nord Stream is a joint project of the five largest companies: Gazprom, Wintershall Holding GmbH (a division of BASF), E.ON SE, NV Nederlandse Gasunie and GDF SUEZ SA. Such a powerful consortium guarantees the use of the latest technology, safety standards and effective corporate governance methods. The participation of major European companies in the construction of this large gas infrastructure plays an important role in ensuring the energy security of Europe.

[Tor5]

Yes, this is most likely a test ball, an attempt to understand whether it is possible to blow up a pipe.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: armored optimist

. It was just a study of the approaches. Explode at the right time. In the meantime, just a hint, a warning.

Have you even read the text at least until the middle? Write a frank lie.
This article: "The device was discovered by employees of Nord Stream AG during the inspection of the gas pipeline." This is a routine prophylaxis during the operation of gas pipelines.

[inpu]

Quote: armored optimist

The interests of the United States and Europe regarding the supply of gas from Russia are directly opposite. It was just a study of the approaches. Explode at the right time. In the meantime, just a hint, a warning.

Specify what kind of Europe. There is Europe and there is Europe. The first is not profitable for the supply of Russian gas, while the second will become unprofitable if they are stopped or reduced. Although these Europeans coincide territorially, the vector of thinking is different, counterattack I would say.

[pascal309]

Look for someone who is not profitable for this project. The Americans are extremely dissatisfied with this project, they do not hide it. Something Pindo.stan stirred. I wonder how our answer ??

[Chak]

And ours, according to NATO, at this time are rummaging around next to an Internet cable somewhere in the Pacific Ocean. Either they are eavesdropping, or they are peeping, or they are digging the cable ...

[Amurets]

Quote: ChAK

And ours, according to NATO, at this time are rummaging around next to an Internet cable somewhere in the Pacific Ocean. Either they are eavesdropping, or they are peeping, or they are digging the cable ...

You can't listen to a fiber-optic cable and you can't rent it for scrap. And ours rummage around in the area where the K-219 sank. By the way, the film "Hostile Waters" was made about it.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: pascal309

Look for someone who is not profitable for this project. The Americans are extremely dissatisfied with this project, they do not hide it. Something Pindo.stan stirred. I wonder how our answer ??

If the Americans wanted to act in this way, then on the territory of Russia not a single gas pipeline would work for a long time, but would only explode, they are not guarded at all, because it is practically impossible.
Gently, I’ll tell you not to fantasize, because In our pipelines, a lot of American dollars have been invested. The oligarchs will never allow the special services to inflict such damage on themselves.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Алексей_К

If the Americans wanted to act in this way, then on the territory of Russia not a single gas pipeline would work for a long time, but would only explode, they are not guarded at all, because it is practically impossible.

What makes you think that they are not protected? Each compressor station has a security staff, which is assigned a section of the highway, which they guard over its entire length (a barrier on the highway, video control, auto patrol, access control at the compressor stations and the provision of intra-facility and access control). So there is physical security. Another question is what is the effectiveness of this guard in preventing and combating sabotage, if it is already in the field of action of the special services?

[kotvov]

they are not protected at all, as ,,
and you try, I watched the picture once. as some stopped and went to the track, deciding to dig something there. After 5 minutes, the response team had already packaged these curious people.

[Dezinto]

Nothing, just picked up and threw such a thing?

It is unlikely that they probably should not have been found ...

[shasherin.pavel]

They searched for a place for so long: where to lose it, that the Swedish naval forces alarmed.

[gjv]

Quote: DEZINTO

Nothing, just picked up and threw such a thing?

This gizmo is generally reusable and is an expensive part, however, although the main, but only part of the system, and possibly not the most expensive.

Such a contraption is unlikely to have been abandoned, unless a serious accident caused the impossibility of lifting. The article says they threw a one-time ROV. This thing is cheaper and simpler, something like

or

This is a one-time ROV, remotely controlled device. Similar devices are used to neutralize old mines, while the device itself also explodes

I wonder what method of detonation detonation? Is it only exploding from a mine’s explosion, or is an explosive device built into it from which the mine is already detonating?

[builder]

Something with an explosive device: "An explosive device is dangerous if mishandled ..."

[builder]

Swedish apparatus:

[Bayonet]

Quote: DEZINTO

Nothing, just picked up and threw such a thing?

No, not like that. In your photo TPU of the modular type “Cougar” - is designed to perform complex underwater operations at depths up to 2000 meters (up to 6000 meters is possible). Disposable ROV is a completely different device.
Underwater robot SeaFox is able to automatically detect underwater, surface targets and destroy them
SeaFox robots come in a variety of modifications.
They have a length of 1,3 m, a weight of about 40 kg and a range of more than 1 km. The devices can be equipped with a television camera, sonar and a device for detonating drifting mines, can be controlled by fiber optic cable or radio. SeaFox is battery powered and can dive to a depth of 300 m, i.e. able to get to the submarine hiding at the bottom. The maximum speed underwater is 6 knots (11 km / h).
SeaFox can search for mines and other ammunition in a semi-automatic mode: the device searches and detects potentially dangerous objects with the help of a sonar, then we approach them and identify it with a video camera. After that, the operator gives the command to destroy the target using a large-caliber cumulative charge. Theoretically, in special cases, fully automatic operation is possible. You can use an underwater robot from any platform: ships of various displacement, rubber boats, helicopters.

[gjv]

Thank you, Alexander. They answered my question.

[NIKNN]

Well, praise the Lord, finally the specialists joined the discussion. Thanks guys, I’m tired of reading nonsense about balcony.

[Good me]

Quote: DEZINTO

Nothing, just picked up and threw such a thing?

Elementary.

It was enough just to lose the connection with the device due to damage or "dead hook" of the cable at depths "beyond" for a person, in order to make the operation to "rescue" it not advisable ...

And among other things, for detonating explosive objects, apparently there are not so complicated (and not expensive) devices in technical terms. After all, in order to "adhere" to the alleged mine, and explode with it, "hands" - manipulators, for example, are not needed ...

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: DEZINTO

Nothing, just picked up and threw such a thing?

When you read, then slightly analyze what you read and do not invent what was not there.
Article: "According to Nord Stream's estimates, this is a disposable ROV, a remotely controlled device. Similar devices are used to defuse old mines, and the device itself explodes at the same time."
So the apparatus found has nothing to do with the pictures you presented, which depict reusable apparatus for research.

[AlexTires]

I think that the appearance of this "unidentified" underwater vehicle is especially interesting in connection with the fierce information attack against the construction of the second stage of the Nord Stream. And in general, it’s hard to believe that the owner of the device cannot be traced by the serial number and other markings. Such "toys" are on special account, and there is always information when and to whom it was sold. After that, the Europeans will have uncomfortable questions.

[gjv]

Quote: AlexTires

somehow I can’t believe that the owner of the device by serial number and other markings can not be traced.

Shot down, killed, look for fistulas ...
Yes, and the database will not be disclosed, rather they will say that it is also lost ...

[Vadim Zhivov]

We ask a few inconvenient questions to our "partners" in Geyvrop and behind the puddle ... They would have yelled at the whole universe in our place "these are Russians ... tricks of Russians ... sanctions ... isolation ... etc. . etc. "... I think so ...

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: AlexTires

I think that the appearance of this "unidentified" underwater vehicle is especially interesting in connection with the fierce information attack against the construction of the second stage of the Nord Stream. And in general, somehow I can’t believe that the owner of the device by serial number and other markings can not be traced.Such "toys" are on special account, and there is always information when and to whom it was implemented. After that, the Europeans will have uncomfortable questions.

So in the article, Dear colleague, a verdict has already been made that whose it is, it is impossible to determine and it seems impossible to touch. Something like a clear hint from the Swedes that no one is going to define his "racial" affiliation, it is clear that the Russians are "mutilators of Europe."

[veksha50]

Quote: AlexTires

And in general, somehow I can’t believe that the owner of the device by serial number and other markings can not be traced.

If the device was made for special operations, then there will be no clearly expressed numbers on it ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: veksha50

If the device was made for special operations, then there will be no clearly expressed numbers on it ...

Yes, most likely no one bothered over the numbers. If a pipe were thrown by this apparatus, then there would be nothing to look for. Everything would have gone into mixed bottom soil and sediment.
Most likely the mattress covers were pierced and others like them in the sense that the device was discovered earlier than they brought their intent to implementation.
I wonder if there is a possibility of raising it without the risk of undermining?

[9lvariag]

Very similar to NATO provocations.

[mamont5]

Quote: vovanpain

they reported the find to the Swedish military.

Here the Swedes give, they were looking for a Russian submarine, but they found an old mine clearing apparatus.

So not the Swedes found it, but the employees of Nord Stream AG. They only turned to the Swedes for help. It would be interesting to know the owner of the device.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: mamont5

It would be interesting to know the owner of the device.

The namesake, I welcome you!
When laying cables, pipelines and other crap along the bottom of the sea, the site (route) is carefully examined for the absence of mine-like (explosive) objects. And this is a mandatory procedure, especially in the Baltic Sea, where the remnants of WWII were simply drowned in the sea, and thousands more put mine banks on the ship’s traffic routes.
So, to find out "whose shoe?" You just need to see who got the contract to survey the Nordstream route, whose MTS were involved in this work, whether there was a report (most likely not) about the loss of the destroyer seeker. But I, in the place of the military, would write off this destroyer as used. That he was found - an accident of 1/1 million. But, knowing the state of our MTS, we can say that for sure this thing is imported ...

[Mercury]

This is the only unit of the Lithuanian and Estonian submarine fleet. Killed by the slowness of the captain. The growth of Karala caught up with the submarine and overgrown it.

[Bosk]

Such a device can even "jerk" the pipe ..., in this case it is interesting that it "did not reach" and was quickly discovered ...

[Monster_Fat]

Yes, it is this device that is designed to "jerk" the way it "self-destructs" (on command) if it finds a mine, it explodes with it. The version that the device was simply "lost" does not stand up to criticism, since these devices carry explosives and have an independent acoustic path for detonating this charge in case of loss of the device, so that it does not pose a threat in the future. The fact that the device was found indicates that the device was in the immediate vicinity of the pipeline, since only the pipeline is examined in terms of prophylaxis, and if the device fell into the visibility zone of the cameras, it means that it lay no further than 1-2 meters from the pipeline, given the poor visibility in the Baltic Sea. This was really a sabotage - the idea was simple: to destroy the pipeline, cause interruptions in gas supplies, possibly some pollution of the sea itself, which would cause cries of the "greens" around the world about the "environmental threat" of the "unreliable" Russian pipeline, etc. The main thing is to disrupt the laying of the "Northern stream-2 ".

[rotmistr60]

The capitalists just do not give up anything. They threw information for thought. In any case, the find is not pleasant, so it’s good that they found it.

[skarl]

Gentlemen, don’t be naive ... Now everything God knows will happen loud in Russia - all the Tan’s special services will poke on the igil ... extremists would blame the gas pipeline, etc. The plane crashed, also igil ...

[33 Watcher]

Someone could have lost him, and far enough from the gas pipeline. There could drag and flow. Why immediately sabotage?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Observer 33

Someone could have lost him, and far enough from the gas pipeline. There could drag and flow. Why immediately sabotage?

You are the only one who wrote the correct version. But miners of analytics instructed you immediately. Everyone directly served as miners in the navy and everyone knows everything.
They can’t understand in any way - why do a blast during the preventive inspection of the gas pipeline. It is much easier to do in between.
The second one. The gas pipeline is made of steel pipes and it is not necessary to look for it. It is perfectly visible on special devices. Thus - went to the pipes, lowered the magnetic explosive device and left. After a while, no gas pipe will remain at the site of the explosion.
The third. Western dollars and euros are invested in our pipelines. No oligarchs will allow the special services to stop the flow of profits from Russia.
The very first reader of "Broneoptimist" wrote an outright lie and all readers rushed to this piece of rotten meat. And let's chew, spit and growl, dragged Sweden with its search for submarines, sabotage, etc.
If someone wanted to commit such a diversion, then nothing would have remained of our gas pipeline long ago, except for corrupted pipes at the bottom of the Baltic.

[Amurets]

Quote: Алексей_К

You are the only one who wrote the correct version. But miners of analytics instructed you immediately. Everyone directly served as miners in the navy and everyone knows everything.

Aleksey_K. Your version looks very true, all the more remember the samovars, who steal oil. Such a trick doesn’t fit here, but pulling your nerves is elementary, and it could also be an attempt to draw money for unnecessary security. It’s real to check if there are any numbers that have been lost. No numbers - an attempt at blackmail or sabotage.

[gjv]

Quote: Алексей_К

The very first reader of "Broneoptimist" wrote an outright lie

Nothing Armored optimist did not write what could be called "outright lies". Shareholders of NordStream - Germans, Dutch, French - Continental Europe. And the found device is most likely, as he wrote Bayonet adopted by the British minesweepers SeaFox. Look at Britain's attitude towards continental Europe. IMHO the preparation of sabotage in the light of Britain's greater proximity to the United States does not at all look like "rotten meat".

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: gjv

And the found device is most likely, as Bayonck adopted by the British minesweepers SeaFox wrote

Well, yes, "Bayonet" apparently found this device and identified its nationality on its "couch". There is not even a photo of this device in the article! And if you looked into the enemy Wikipedia, you would be surprised to find more than a dozen companies producing such devices and several in Russia.
Maybe it's ours? But the article says for sure that the device was transferred to Sweden, which means that it has a "nameplate" - Made in Sweden (Tillverkad i Sverige or Made in Sweden). Will the more advanced Englishmen in this area take advantage of the Swedish development and depend on them for the manufacture of military equipment?

[gjv]

Quote: Алексей_К

it means it has a "nameplate" - Made in Sweden (Tillverkad i Sverige or Made in Sweden). Will the more advanced Englishmen in this area take advantage of the Swedish development and depend on them for the manufacture of military equipment?

They will (or are unlikely to be). Re-read the article more carefully. The nearest territory is reportedly Gotland Island. Maybe a Swedish loss. However, nothing is reported about the nameplate data, but quite the opposite:

“The military personnel of many countries engaged in mine clearance in the Baltic Sea use such devices, so it’s impossible to say now who exactly owns it.”

Therefore, they transferred to Sweden that the nearest territories. And the SeaFox is precisely the explosive principle of action. And the fact is that it is manufactured by the German factory ATLAS ELEKTRONIK GmbH, and is in service not only in Germany, but also in Thailand, the United Arab Emirates, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Great Britain, the USA, Belgium, the Netherlands and, oddly enough, Sweden .

Quote: Алексей_К

For debunking grief-experts exposing in sabotage

Alexey, the diversion has not yet taken place. However, what is impossible in preparing sabotage?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Алексей_К

Well, yes, "Bayonet" apparently found this device and determined its nationality on its "couch".

Bravo! And you kept a candle when I was picking on the sofa!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Observer 33

Someone could have lost him, and far enough from the gas pipeline. There could drag and flow. Why immediately sabotage?

Imagine! For debunking the unfortunate experts, exposing in sabotage whoever they could remember, they also sent me minuses. Do not like the truth - ignoramus.

[gjv]

Quote: Алексей_К

Do not like the truth - ignoramus.

And remember: there is no "Truth"! ... There is only "Trud" for three kopecks left! "
PySy. Some comrades here are pretty scientists.

[inpu]

Quote: Алексей_К

Imagine! For debunking the unfortunate experts, exposing in sabotage whoever they could remember, they also sent me minuses. Do not like the truth - ignoramus.

And what is your version actually? I see a lot of letters, a lot of minuses.
I see how a person suggested something, and you supported.
Then you throw a G at the fan, and blame others that there is no evidence in the article. What is your own proof? Video, photo, model of the device? Or it is enough to write: "They do not like the truth - ignoramuses."

Although I do not like that everyone immediately called diversion, but it seems more strange that someone has profiled an expensive device and has been encrypted for so long, sits and is silent. Not today, an event occurred.

[chunga-changa]

It's funny, the boat, which no one except a drunken fisherman has seen, was unambiguously identified as Russian, and the device on which there are serials and markings is "impossible" to identify. Miracles, and nothing more.

[gammipapa]

Cinema remember the scuba gear at the bottom?

[gjv]

Quote: gammipapa

scuba gear at the bottom

We remember the cinema. But where is one to find such a boy, who will drown and check everything. More than the aspirations of the Swedes have already called.

[Militia]

Quote: Observer 33

Someone could have lost him, and far enough from the gas pipeline. There could drag and flow. Why immediately sabotage?

This is not a torn float from a fishing rod, so that it simply be carried by the current. Or the course should be like in a mountain stream. Probably something like this. Not special, of course I am, but weakly somehow I believe

[1rl141]

What is there to think? Everything is clear, like a day! Someone, but clearly our enemies, Americans, Swedes, Poles, Balts, Ukrainians, Ishilovites (underline as appropriate), were planning to blow up, make a hole, crash into a pipe (underline as necessary).
To do this, they assembled the apparatus from Chinese license plates, launched, but the Chinese parts failed.
And diving after it is more expensive than the device itself cost. Here they abandoned it.

[colonel manuch]

Even if we assume that not everyone is happy with the gas pipeline, investors are interested in the continuation of construction and, moreover, in the safety of the gas pipeline. So throwing a test balloon (forgetting at the bottom of an apparatus capable of blowing up a gas pipeline) does not mean that someone is really going to do it to do, maybe the company itself decides on security issues, decided to promote itself in this way, maybe "sworn friends" remind them that nothing is alien to them. In general, competent services will figure out what and how.