Mutiny of the ship's commander

Mutiny of the ship's commander

40 years ago, 8 November 1975, Captain Valery Sablin raised an uprising on the Watchdog ship. On that day, Sablin addressed the crew with the words: “The current state apparatus must be thoroughly cleaned and partially dumped stories. Action plan - we go to Kronstadt, and then to Leningrad - the city of three revolutions. ” He isolated the captain of the ship, voluntarily removed the ship from the raid in Riga and took him to Leningrad. The uprising suppressed immediately.


Valery Mikhailovich Sablin was born on January 1, 1939 in Leningrad in the family of the hereditary sailor Mikhail Sablin. In 1960 he graduated from the Leningrad Higher Naval School named after Frunze. He received the specialty of a ship gunner and began his service in the North navy as an assistant commander of a battery of 130-mm guns of a destroyer. Until 1969 he served in combat posts and from the post of assistant commander of a patrol ship of the Northern Fleet entered the Lenin Military-Political Academy. He graduated from the Academy in 1973 with honors: his name was embossed on a marble board among the names of other best graduates of the Academy (in November 1975, he was hastily cut down with a chisel). After graduating from the academy, Captain III rank Sablin was appointed political officer on the large anti-submarine ship Watchdog.

Sablin has developed a detailed program for the reorganization of society. Sablin was distinguished by high political activity and already wrote to Khrushchev, expressing his thoughts about the purity of the party ranks. He advocated a multi-party system, freedom of speech and discussion, changing the order of elections in the party and the country. He announced his program, pointing out serious mistakes and disintegration of the Soviet leadership, the officer decided from the “tribune” of the BOD Watchdog.

However, Sablin could not immediately realize his plan. The ship was new, the crew was just being formed. The officers were loaded with work. In the course of combat service, the commander-in-chief studied the crew and gradually acquainted some of its members with his views and plans, and found like-minded people among them. Sablin had an opportunity to speak in the fall of 1975, when the ship was sent for scheduled repairs in Liepaja, but before that he received an order to take part in a naval parade in Riga, dedicated to the 58 anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. Some officers of the ship went on vacation, their absence was in the hands of Sablin.

November 6 The Watchdog 1975 arrived at the Riga raid. November 8 1975 about 19 hours Sablin cunning lured and locked the ship commander Anatoly Potulny on the lower deck. After that, he gathered 13 officers and 13 midshipmen in the midshipman mess-room, where he outlined his views and suggestions. In particular, he said that the leadership of the USSR had departed from Leninist principles. Sablin proposed to make the unauthorized transfer of the ship to Kronstadt, to declare it an independent territory, on behalf of the crew to request the leadership of the party and the country to give him the opportunity to speak on Central Television outlining their views. According to another version, Sablin planned to lead the ship to Leningrad, stand on the raid near Aurora and from there daily go on air, calling on citizens of the USSR for the communist revolution, to change the Brezhnev party-state apparatus and establish social justice.

Sablin offered to vote for his proposals. Part of the officers supported him, and 10 opposing were isolated. In fact, officers and warrant officers (even those who did not agree with Sablin in everything to the end) allowed Sablin to seize the ship. Allowed by their non-resistance, their withdrawal from the course of events, their consent to the arrest. Then Sablin assembled the crew of the ship and spoke before the sailors and foremen. He announced that most of the officers were on his side, and suggested that the crew also support him. Disoriented crew did not resist. In fact, one resolute and active person subjugated the entire crew to his will. He could have been prevented by the captain, but Sablin skillfully isolated him from the crew.

The lieutenant’s plans were violated by the commander of the electrical group of the ship, Senior Lieutenant Firsov, who managed to quietly leave the Watchtower and report on the emergency. As a result, Sablin lost the element of surprise. He took the ship out of the port and sent it to the exit from the Gulf of Riga.

Vice-Admiral Kosov ordered the ships stationed on the Riga roads to catch up with the rebel. Reports of emergency on the "Watchdog" immediately were sent to the Ministry of Defense and the Kremlin. An alarm bell found the Commander-in-Chief of the Soviet Navy Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov in the country; on the way to Moscow, he got in touch with his country's minister of defense, Marshal Grechko, from his car. The order of the Minister was brief: "Catch up and destroy!"

On alert, border guard ships and the Baltic Fleet, as well as the 668th bomber, were raised aviation regiment. Then, by order of Marshal Grechko, a regiment of strategic aviation took off - long-range missile carriers Tu-16. The border guards asked for permission to demolish the wheelhouse along with Sablin from machine guns, but Kosov did not allow it. The Watchtower was warned: at the intersection of the 20th meridian, a missile strike would be launched on destruction.

On November 9, on the morning of 10, Admiral Gorshkov radioed an order to the Watchtower: “Stop the course!” Captain Sablin refused. Marshal Grechko repeated the order on his behalf. Instead of answering, Sablin broadcast the appeal: “Everybody! Everybody Everyone! .. "Ship radio operator at the end of the text added from himself:" Goodbye, little brothers! "

The Watchdog was stopped in the Irbensky Strait by Soviet Su-24 bomber, which damaged the ship. After that, the sailors freed the captain. He climbed to the bridge, shot Sabin’s leg and restored command of the ship. Then a boarding group was landed on the deck, arresting the wounded instigator of the uprising. Sablin and his supporters were arrested. All the blame for what happened Sablin immediately took over, without naming anyone as accomplices.

The Military Collegium of the USSR Supreme Court accused Sablina of treason against her motherland and sentenced her to death. The investigation announced that this entire political program was developed only to deceive future comrades-in-arms: in fact, Sablin did not intend to lead the ship to Leningrad, but to the Swedish island of Gotland, where the naval commander intended to ask for political asylum in the United States. Accusations of treason and an attempt to hijack a warship abroad, Sablin categorically rejected. Captain 3 rank Valery Sablin and several others involved in the rebellion, were deprived of titles and awards. Sablin was shot 3 August 1976 year in Moscow.

In 1994, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation revised the case of Sablin "taking into account the new circumstances" and re-qualified it from "treason to the motherland" to articles on military crimes (excess of power, disobedience and resistance to the authorities), which together changed the sentence to 10 years imprisonment . He was refused posthumous rehabilitation.

Sablina’s virtually individual rebellion was a kind of “bell” that warned the leadership and society and eventually predicted the death of Soviet civilization. An honest and determined man challenged the system, trying to show its flaws leading to collapse. Indeed, after Stalin, the USSR irreversibly led to death. During the reign of Khrushchev, the Stalinist project of creating a society of creation and service was hacked to death, Trotskyism prevailed without mass repressions and voluntarism, the surrender of positions to the West began. Under Brezhnev, political stagnation, an attempt to preserve something from Stalin’s legacy, while preserving underground Trotskyism. A general decomposition began, although economics, science, and military science were gaining momentum by inertia.

The rotting of the USSR began, the corruption of souls, which during the "perestroika" will be sold for jeans and a pack of gum. The fleet is a subtle and complex structure on which any unhealthy social organism immediately responds. The ship is a model of the state in miniature. Fever country - shakes and fleet. Suffice it to recall the uprisings in the fleet since the end of the Romanov empire. It is not surprising that at the time the fleet was at the peak of an accident. The ships were burning, colliding and sinking. In 1974, the year caught fire, exploded and sank the large anti-submarine ship "Brave". A year later, the flames on the huge “Moscow” helicopter carrier began to cloud, submarines were killed. Basically, everything was written off as “negligence of officials”. But this “negligence” had long and dangerous roots that went into an “ideological deficit”. People at the subconscious level felt that the USSR had deprived the ideological rod. Political window dressing, apathy, indifference and indiscriminate drunkenness engulfed society and the fleet itself.

Captain 3-rank Sablin dared to challenge the general degradation. He could not enter by legal means. Therefore, made from the bridge of the ship. “I was a liberal for a long time,” Sablin wrote in his farewell letter to his wife, “confident that something needs to be slightly corrected in our society, that one or two accusatory articles must be written, something needs to be changed ... It was about 1971 of the year. Studying at the academy finally convinced me that the steel state party machine is so steel that any blows in the forehead will turn into empty sounds ... We must break this machine from the inside using its own armor. From 1972, I began to dream of a free propaganda territory of the ship. Unfortunately, the situation was such that only in November of 75 did a real opportunity arise to perform ... What pushed me to that? Love of life. And I do not mean the life of a well-fed tradesman, but a bright, honest life, which causes sincere joy to all honest people. I am convinced that in our people, like 58 years ago, revolutionary consciousness will break out and he will achieve communist relations in our country. And now our society is mired in a political swamp, more and more economic difficulties and social upheavals will be felt. Honest people see it, but do not see a way out of the situation ... ".

Application. Source: N. Cherkashin. Emergencies in the Soviet Navy. M., 2007.

From Sablin's Appeal to the Soviet People, recorded on magnetic tape (decoding of the investigation bodies of the KGB):

“Comrades! Listen to the text of the speech, with which we strive to speak on radio and television.

First of all, thank you very much for your support, otherwise I would not talk with you today. Our speech is not a betrayal of the Motherland, but a purely political, progressive speech, and those who are trying to hinder us will be traitors to the Motherland. My comrades asked me to convey that in the event of military action against our country, we will adequately protect it. And now our goal is different: to raise the voice of truth.

We are firmly convinced that many honest people in the Soviet Union have a purely critical plan regarding the policies of the CPSU Central Committee and the Soviet Government.

[...] Lenin dreamed of a state of justice and freedom, and not of a state of strict submission and political powerlessness. [...] I think it makes no sense to prove that at the present time the servants of society have already turned into masters over society. On this point, everyone has more than one example from life. We are witnessing a game of formal parliamentarism in the elections to the Soviet bodies and in the performance of their duties by the Soviets. Practically, the fate of the entire people is in the hands of a select elite in the person of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. Comprehensive concentration of power, political, state, has become a stable and universally recognized fact. Especially the fateful role in the development of the revolutionary process in our country was played by the destruction of dissidents during the personality cult of Stalin and Khrushchev. And now, note, also annually arrested before 75 people for political reasons. Lost faith in the existence of justice in our society. And this is the first symptom of a serious illness of society. [...] For some reason, it is believed that the people should be content with the facts and be a politically weak-willed mass. And people need political activity ... Tell me, where, in what newspaper or in radio and television programs is the criticism of the leaders allowed? It is excluded. And we must honestly admit that we do not have a political or public body that would allow the discussion on many controversial issues of the social, political, economic, and cultural development of our country to unfold, since everything is under pressure from party and state bodies. The most advanced social development system in a historically short period of time, 50 years, broke into a social system in which people found themselves in a stagnant atmosphere of unquestioning faith in instructions from above, in an atmosphere of political lawlessness and wordlessness, in which the fear of opposing the party and the other government agency, as this will affect personal destiny. Our people have already suffered and suffer greatly because of their political powerlessness. Only a narrow circle of specialists knows how much harm voluntaristic intervention of state and party organs has brought in the development of science and art, in the development of the armed forces and the economy, in solving national issues and educating young people.

Of course, we can laugh a million times over the satire of Raikin, the magazine Crocodile, the film magazine Wick, but tears must once appear through laughter over the present and the future of the Motherland. It is time not to laugh, but to attract someone to the national court and ask with all the severity for all this bitter laughter. Now in our country there is a difficult situation: on the one hand, with external, official, in our society, universal harmony and social consent, neither give nor take - nation-wide state, and on the other hand - universal individual dissatisfaction with the existing state of affairs. [...] Our performance is only a small impulse, which should serve as the beginning of a surge. [...] Will the communist revolution be in the nature of an acute class struggle in the form of armed struggle or limited to political struggle? It depends on a number of factors. First, whether the people immediately believe in the need for social change. And in that way to them only through the communist revolution. Or it will be a long process of growth of public understanding, political consciousness. Secondly, whether the organizing and inspiring force of the revolution will be created in the near future, that is, a new revolutionary party based on a new advanced theory. And, finally, how violently the tops will resist the revolution, drown it in people's blood, and this largely depends on which side the troops, police and other armed units take. We can only theoretically assume that the availability of modern media, communications and transport, as well as the high cultural level of the population, the great experience of social revolutions in the past, will allow our people to force the government to abandon violent counter-revolutionary measures and direct the revolution along a peaceful path of development. However, we must never forget that revolutionary vigilance is the basis of the success of the struggle in a revolutionary era, and therefore we must be prepared for various turns of history. Our main task at the moment, when there is no wide network of revolutionary circles all over the country, there are neither trade union, nor youth, nor public (and they will grow quickly like mushrooms after rain), the main task now is to instill in people unshakable faith in the vital necessity of the communist revolution, in that there is no other way, everything else will lead to internal, even greater complications and torment. And the doubts of one generation will still result in a resolution of the next generation, more painful and difficult. This belief in the need for revolution will be the rain that will give organizational shoots.

[...] The question immediately arises - who, what class will be the hegemon of the revolution? This will be the class of the laboring, workers 'and peasants' intelligentsia, to which we refer, on the one hand, highly skilled workers and peasants, and on the other hand, engineering and technical personnel in industry and agriculture. Behind this class is the future. This is a class that will gradually turn into a society without classes after the communist revolution. And who will stand up to this class? What is the social face of the opponent? Management class. He is not numerous, but he has a concentrated management of the economy, the media, finance. On the basis of it all state superstructure is built, and at the expense of it it keeps. The management class includes party and trade union liberated workers, heads of large and medium-sized production teams and shopping centers, who successfully use, without violating, of course, Soviet laws, the socialist economic system for personal enrichment, personal approval in society as a master, by obtaining through state network of additional material and moral benefits. This new system of exploitation through the circulation of capital through the state budget requires more detailed study to expose and destroy. [...]

And, finally, the core issue of any revolution is a question of power ... It is assumed ... that, firstly, the current state apparatus will be thoroughly cleaned, and on some sites it is broken and thrown into the dustbin of history, as it is deeply infected with nepotism, bribery, careerism, arrogant towards the people; secondly, the election system should be thrown at the dump, turning the people into a faceless mass. Thirdly, all conditions that give rise to the omnipotence and lack of control of state bodies on the part of the masses must be eliminated. Will these questions be solved through the dictatorship of the leading class? Sure to! Otherwise, the whole revolution will end with the seizure of power - and no more. Only through the greatest national vigilance is the path to a society of happiness. ” [...]

“Now listen to the radiogram that is supposed to be given to the address of the Fleet command about our performance.

Radiogram addressed to the Commander-in-Chief of the Soviet Navy. I ask you to urgently report to the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Soviet government that the flag of the coming communist revolution has been raised at the military-industrial complex "Watchtower".

We demand: the first is to declare the territory of the Watchdog ship free and independent from state and party bodies during the year.

The second is to provide the opportunity for one per crew member, according to our decision, to speak on Central Radio and Television during 30 minutes from 21.30 to 22.00 Moscow time daily ...

The third is to provide the Watchdog ship with all kinds of food allowances according to the norms in any base.

Fourth - allow the “Watchdog” to anchor and mooring in any base and point of the territorial waters of the USSR. The fifth is to ensure the delivery and dispatch of the Watchdog mail. The sixth is to allow the radio broadcasts of the Watchdog radio station in the Mayak radio network in the evening.

From the tape transcript by the investigating authorities of the KGB:

“ALL! EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING!

Says a large anti-submarine ship "Watchdog". We are not traitors to the Motherland and not adventurers seeking fame by any means. There is an urgent need to openly raise a number of questions about the political, social and economic development of our country, about the future of our people, requiring collective, national, discussion without pressure from state and party bodies. We decided on this speech with a clear understanding of responsibility for the fate of the Motherland, with a sense of ardent desire to achieve communist relations in our society. But we are also aware of the danger of being physically or morally destroyed by the relevant state authorities or by hired employees. Therefore, we seek the support of all honest people in our country and abroad. And if at the time we specified, the day in 21.30 Moscow time, one of the representatives of our ship does not appear on your TV screens, please do not go to work the next day and continue this TV strike until the government refuses the rude violation of freedom of speech and until our meeting with you.

Support us, comrades! Goodbye",

The wireless telegraphist himself added: “Farewell, little brothers! ..”
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  1. yuriy55 8 November 2015 06: 24 New
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    Everything is correct, so it was. A hero ahead of time!
    1. BMW
      BMW 8 November 2015 07: 13 New
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      Quote: yuriy55
      A hero ahead of time!

      Rather, an adventurer. Personality is certainly interesting and extraordinary, but simply incomprehensible. To put forward such requirements, mine is just silly.
      1. aba
        aba 8 November 2015 07: 47 New
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        Rather, an adventurer.

        Just a very naive person. But politics is not for such.
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN 8 November 2015 08: 55 New
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          Here ... Your point of view is closest to the truth ...... Doubly paradoxical situation ...... From one point of view Sablin is a traitor-rebel who violated the Military Oath, but on the other just a child of the time, a fighter for communist ideas , against corruption in the ranks of the CPSU and other ........
          1. Silhouette 8 November 2015 11: 08 New
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            Sablin is an idealist. He idealized the society in which he lived and didn’t understand the laws by which it was built. His actions are a propaganda campaign, based on mythological examples a la “battleship Potemkin” and the cruiser “Ochakov.” They acted rather cruelly and unfairly, but according to the laws of that time. I feel sorry for him and my sympathies on his side. He was not deputy politician by profession, but by state of mind. I think he was a real political officer.
            1. NordUral 8 November 2015 17: 37 New
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              This idealist gave a correct analysis of the development of our country by the 75th year. It was the 70s that were the peak of our decay. And from them grew the 91st, the year of the traitors of the Motherland, both above and among the people. We all betrayed our country, albeit under the guise of good intentions and the fact that socialism of the 80s rotted and stank.
              1. vladimirZ 8 November 2015 18: 28 New
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                For the first time I heard the story of a rebel warship in the Baltic Sea, which was headed by the political commander of the ship, the next day, November 9, 1975, in the Transbaikal Military District far from these places, at a military airfield in the city of Borzya.
                Military "radio" spread the news instantly. Perhaps because aviation took part in his bombing, and the dispatchers immediately carried him to friends and colleagues.
                In the morning of November 9 we arrived on flights to the airfield, and we immediately started talking about a rebel ship in the Baltic Sea, captured by the political commander and part of the crew.
                The commander of the ship, the political officer locked in a cabin, which was subsequently opened by a sailor who accidentally ran past, who heard the captain hit the door.
                To stop the ship, going into neutral waters, they raised aircraft and bombed the ship to stop it, after which the ship stopped. At the same time, the commander of the ship freed and arrested the political leader by firing at him.
                And the name of this "political officer" was already recognized somewhere in the early 90s, in the article "Komsomolskaya Pravda" whitewashing this "hero".
            2. g1v2 9 November 2015 14: 52 New
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              He was treated quite adequately. Armed rebellion and oath violation are evident.
              The verdict is execution. And what cockroaches crawled in his head absolutely on the drum. And by the way, how many then there were hijackings of planes abroad, how many traitors from the KGB went abroad, having surrendered their not for doggy shit. Will we regret them too? He knew what he was going on and received exactly as much as he deserved.
          2. washi 8 November 2015 11: 52 New
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            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            Here ... Your point of view is closest to the truth ...... Doubly paradoxical situation ...... From one point of view Sablin is a traitor-rebel who violated the Military Oath, but on the other just a child of the time, a fighter for communist ideas , against corruption in the ranks of the CPSU and other ........

            Yes, simple.
            As for the oath, it is not clear from the article which oath.
            I swore allegiance to the USSR, then offered the oath of the CIS, then the Russian Federation two or three options.
            There is only one oath.
            1. MSL
              MSL 8 November 2015 12: 59 New
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              Quote: Vasya
              As for the oath, it is not clear from the article which oath.

              ???? Have you read the article?
              1. your1970 8 November 2015 13: 15 New
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                Vasya
                And if the hero of the article is STILL (except for the USSR repeat request !!!!) he swore to someone, then he is twice an enemy to us ...
                1. your1970 8 November 2015 23: 26 New
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                  And who but the USSR could swear allegiance to 1975?
            2. Lone wolf 8 November 2015 13: 10 New
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              Only 1 oath acts and it’s not your fault that politicians don’t think about it ...
              1. your1970 8 November 2015 13: 51 New
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                Read Vasya above who did not understand WHO swore swear in 1975 yearIs it the USSR, or the CIS, or some other letters ....

                "Yes, simple.
                As for the oath, it is not clear from the article which oath.
                I swore allegiance to the USSR, then offered the oath of the CIS, then the Russian Federation two or three options.
                There is only one oath. "

                About the fact that one acts, I am in the know soldier
              2. Sailor 8 November 2015 17: 26 New
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                Here I’m with you, at all 1000%, I swore allegiance to the USSR on 24.12.1989/XNUMX/XNUMX and I have no more solemn oath, when I went to serve in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and there I already attached the Russian Federation it was just formal and I didn’t read the text, but simply wrote it off in the report card.
          3. Lone wolf 8 November 2015 13: 08 New
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            Sablin violated the oath of what there is still a conversation can go on for sure !!!! But before Sablin, at one time there was .. Schmidt ,,, ,,, With all due respect to the madness of the brave ... I can’t justify such an act.
            1. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 05: 16 New
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              And the military in 91m did not violate the oath, taking the side of the drunk ??? Why didn’t Moscow powder military districts and their commanders ??? Explain to me!
          4. max73 8 November 2015 21: 25 New
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            but your point of view is typically Jewish. if in Russian - "uh ... he knows ... uh ... yay." KPSS and other things do not drag too much))))
          5. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 05: 14 New
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            Traitor? And who are our military, if they did not rise against the seizure of power in the 91st year by a drunk ebony ??? Have they violated the military oath ??? They swore allegiance to the USSR, and began to serve liberal traitors!
        2. Mahmut 8 November 2015 09: 07 New
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          Lenin dreamed of a state of justice and freedom, and not of a state of harsh submission and political lawlessness.

          Naive Chukchi young man. I forgot how the Kronstadt rebellion ended, under the slogan Down with the Communists, all power to the soviets. And also a political officer.
          1. Alex 8 November 2015 11: 05 New
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            Quote: Mahmut
            Naive Chukchi young man. I forgot how the Kronstadt rebellion ended

            There is rather an allusion to the uprising under the leadership of "Lieutenant" Schmidt. Also one ship, also a naive belief in support, is also a quick end. Is it not under the influence of this revolutionary romance that Sablin decided on such a suicidal step?
            1. Mikado 9 November 2015 14: 18 New
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              Quote: Alex
              Quote: Mahmut
              Naive Chukchi young man. I forgot how the Kronstadt rebellion ended

              There is rather an allusion to the uprising under the leadership of "Lieutenant" Schmidt. Also one ship, also a naive belief in support, is also a quick end. Is it not under the influence of this revolutionary romance that Sablin decided on such a suicidal step?


              Alex, from my point of view, Lieutenant Schmidt, rather, was a loser with a weak nervous system. He was expelled several times from the fleet. He made every effort to be removed from the Second Pacific Squadron during the campaign (apparently, fate kept for Ochakov). And suddenly, in the wake of revolutionary events, when his speeches were recognized by the crowd, he felt himself on a horse, and even declared himself commander of the Black Sea Fleet!
              Although, there is an opinion that on the day of the rebellion Sablin arranged for the team to watch the film “Battleship Potemkin.” Yes, the comparison is obvious! But Sablin’s ideas were really naive.
              Yours faithfully, hi
          2. guzik007 8 November 2015 16: 25 New
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            Yes, of course, I agree with "... take off your shoulder straps, go into politics ... one oath ..." But did Sablin have a chance to go into politics, hmm, to live with wolves, howl like a wolf. He there were two ways — A. to reconcile and “fight in the kitchen” in retirement with the same pensioners. The path of hundreds of thousands of former warriors. And the road to nowhere: that which he chose, becoming involuntarily a traitor, without betraying his ideals. Hard choices and not everyone is capable of it. Ask yourself if you are capable. And then decide for yourself, do you have the moral right to condemn him?
        3. Vladimirets 8 November 2015 10: 57 New
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          Quote: yuriy55
          A hero ahead of time!

          Quote: bmw
          Rather adventurer

          Quote: aba
          Just a very naive person

          I think not quite a mentally healthy person. An adult, an officer, an excellent student in combat and political affairs cannot be naive. Just something in my head broke. request
          1. guzik007 8 November 2015 16: 31 New
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            Vladimir (1)
            I think not quite a mentally healthy person. An adult, an officer, an excellent student in combat and political affairs cannot be naive. Just something in my head broke.

            Yes, of course, an excellent military and political student, cast together with thousands of cast-iron billets into standard blanks of military schools, certainly did not have the right to have his own worldview and opinion, different from ideology squeezed into millions of goals. Crazy! That's for sure!
        4. Aleksander 8 November 2015 11: 35 New
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          Quote: aba
          Just a very naive person. But politics is not for such.


          Sablincriminal. He put in mortal danger the lives of dozens of sailors and officers, and many disfigured life.
          He had to quit, go abroad and broadcast and fight there, risking only himself
          rather than subordinate people. Shot-right.
          1. guzik007 8 November 2015 16: 34 New
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            Sablin criminal. He put in mortal danger the lives of dozens of sailors and officers, and many disfigured life.
            He had to quit, go abroad and broadcast and fight there, risking only himself
            rather than subordinate people. Shot-right.

            Here I agree with you, perhaps, but partially. Well, the man did not imagine himself a dissident! And this, if not strange, is the merit of education in the Soviet military school.
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        6. TIMOHA76 8 November 2015 20: 18 New
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          True love, but they don’t like such people anywhere. The easiest way to make others hate you:
          1. Start telling the truth.
          2. More often.
          3. To everyone.
        7. user 8 November 2015 22: 03 New
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          Just a very naive person.


          A very interesting insight after graduating from the military-political academy named after Lenin with honors.
          Damn, as I recall, studying the works of V.I. Lenin and taking notes of all kinds of reports (remember the newspaper Pravda and a few newspaper pages in small print) this is a quiet horror, and most importantly how long it took, it would be better to engage in combat training. But he only realized after graduating from the academy. . . . (I don’t even know what). But the fact that he violated the oath and his duty somehow so casually, and after all, not every traitor in our military-political academy has graduated, so you do not need to call him a naive person, at that time everyone who wanted to make a career (not necessarily a military one) studied at educational institutions of this profile.
        8. marinier 8 November 2015 22: 44 New
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          Hello!
          Na moi vzgliad, naivnim doveriat svitoj misiya zashita OTE4ESTVA, delo ne blogodarnoe i opasnoe, skoree zaputavshijsa 4elovek s zavishenimi Ambicijami.

          PS S nailu4shimi pozelaniem zdravij hi
        9. witch 9 November 2015 02: 03 New
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          and the article is like a probe for the emergence of thoughts about revolution and regime change, and the like. Someone often talked about coups and a change in power
          prepare the population for these thoughts.
        10. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 05: 09 New
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          He is not naive. He saw what was going on. If he is naive, then what happened in 91m and 93m ??? He predicted the collapse of the Soviet system, and precisely because of the presence of helment in the system. It’s just that his words do not seem clear to you, because they were said in Soviet times, this time. Secondly, ONLY people of the goal can understand his words. Those who serve their country until death. This is patriotism. Therefore, you cannot understand him. Now the slogans of the times of the USSR are not understandable to the majority and seem naive. And their essence is correct and fundamental. Do not think that this will not happen now. A new Sablin may also appear. If he sincerely believed in what he was talking about, then he should be awarded the title of Hero. Because it is a great courage to speak out against the top authorities. So they can only in the navy. Only sailors. Glory to him and eternal memory! His name will still be carved in gold letters and recorded in the lists of heroes.

          For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
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          it’s not a matter of politics or naivety, it’s different. For example, like with Maxim Gorky, “we sing a song to the foolishness of the brave,” a person with a heightened sense of justice and desire for truth, that’s all.
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        Rather, an adventurer.

        Something in this story is wrong. They hid something or attributed too much. It does not converge in any way. If all that has been said is taken as pure truth, it turns out that there was no totalitarianism, even crack. There was an attempt at a military rebellion with completely incomprehensible goals, or, more simply, an adventure. hi
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        Quote: bmw
        Quote: yuriy55
        A hero ahead of time!

        Rather, an adventurer. Personality is certainly interesting and extraordinary, but simply incomprehensible. To put forward such requirements, mine is just silly.

        Drink less and read more.
        Would put forward a demand to return with Stalin's legislation.
        Adopt the 1936 constitution in the Stalin version. Sound the speech of the ITT at the 19th congress.
        Given the presence on the ships of several radio stations in several bands, it was possible to conduct a full-fledged propaganda company., Threatening shelling of Western countries and the seizure of their ships.
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          did you understand what you wrote ???
          "threatening shelling of Western countries and the seizure of their ships." - it’s not just ours, it would be hit by NATO ...
          So the crew (and the ship) would live after such threats for about forty minutes - and that’s all, what kind of propaganda company is there ...
          Unleash a third world war — and shelling of Western countries is nothing but a war — no one would give him ....
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          threatening shelling of Western countries and the seizure of their ships.

          Eh ... Vasya! And where do you come from! request
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          He would put forward a demand to return from Stalin's legislation. To adopt the 1936 constitution in the Stalin version.

          In 1975, the Stalin Constitution, celebrated on December 5 as a holiday, was not yet repealed.
          "Brezhnevskaya" was adopted in 1977.
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      4. Mik-51 8 November 2015 12: 07 New
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        Quote: bmw
        Quote: yuriy55
        A hero ahead of time!

        Rather, an adventurer. Personality is certainly interesting and extraordinary, but simply incomprehensible. To put forward such requirements, mine is just silly.



        I agree - an adventurer.
        However, the article is completely misrepresented - who, where and when stopped this ship.
        I am a direct participant in this stop.
        On November 8, 1975, our regiment, based in the city of Tukums, Latvian SSR, on the Yak-28 was raised by alarm.
        There was a lot of confusion, a lot of incomprehensible things. A technician came running from the parking lot to us in a high-rise and in a whisper: Misha, what happened - we hang the soldiers under frantic screams?
        After running around and having telephone conversations, the regiment commander (and he was running along with deputies with a VERY alarming physiognomy, we were put in the classroom and set the task: to prepare for military operations on ships in the Baltic Sea.
        Then the commander came and set the task already specified: in the Irbensky Strait, a ship with the number 500 on board, a guard.
        Work after detection only on command from the ground ...
        The weather was difficult, the lower edge from 400 to 600 m, flew in pairs with a minute interval.
        The first pair was the submarine Potapenko (deputy regiment regiment). He was the first to find this ship and, after commanding him from the ground, put a series in front of the ship and completed it.
        Mr. Porotikov was the second to board the ship - the head of the VOTP so far, with him this:
        - I see the goal, work! ...
        and so time 7 ...
        Then the team: - work on the ship.
        It worked well, from a series of 2 bombs exploded on the ship (OFAB-250-270 hung from it).
        The third line commander Captain Zaitsev jumped onto the target, also dropped BUT - as it turned out later (with fear, his eyes were big) on ​​a fishing trawler that happened to be in the area.
        Good - didn’t kill anyone.
        The crew of art. f-Omelyanenko - he was already banned from work, because the ship stopped, and from the direction of Liepaja our ships from Liepaja Naval Forces poured toward it in a crowd.
        Everyone else had a team to recruit the train and return home.
        Clouds struck - and there on the east side - Tu-16 with missiles under the wings.
        After landing, they didn’t let us out for half a day, they sat in the corridor in a high-rise on the floor.
        A bunch of popes flew in from Moscow and Riga. We consulted for a long time ...
        Then we were assembled in a soldier’s club and before us the Commander of the 15th VA, Commander Golubev (by the way, during the war, was led by Pokryshkina).
        He paced in front of the first row and broadcast:
        - so we decided to check your combat readiness on holidays in a serious way. We drove a barge into the Irbensky Strait (choked laughter in the hall - we saw this "barge" with our own eyes) ... stop it !!! - this is a laugh in the hall.
        Later:
        - categorically forbid any talk on this topic outside the airport, even in families ...
        That's how it was.
        And about the Su-24 mention is a fake.
        In 1975, in our 132 bad (2 regiments in Chernyakhovsk and one in Tukums), only one 24rd pok was retrained on the Su-63, which was based in Chernyakhovsk and from there, although they were also raised by alarm, there were no sorties.
        In those days, I started to actively monitor the "voices of friends" on the WEF transistor
        And a few days later on Liberty I heard an article read by a Swedish correspondent that the newest Soviet watchman 128 meters long, equipped with modern weapons, made an attempt to leave the Riga raid on about. Gotland. But this was hindered by the country's air force.
        He noted in the article the confusion and absurd negotiations of the high command on the air unencrypted on the listening lines. But - he highly praised the actions of Soviet aviation by quickly intercepting the ship and preventing this departure.
        That's something like ...
        1. Aleksandr1959 8 November 2015 12: 50 New
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          A very accurate description of the actions of aviation. Thank you very much for the information. In the late 70s and early 80s, there were indeed rumors about the use of Su-24 based in Tukums. I was on an internship in Tukums in 1978. There were already Su-24.
          And about Sablin .. here everything is very ambiguous, but he took the Oath of the USSR. Proceeding from this, it is necessary to regard his act.
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            Quote: Aleksandr1959
            A very accurate description of the actions of aviation. Thank you very much for the information. In the late 70s and early 80s, there were indeed rumors about the use of Su-24 based in Tukums. I was on an internship in Tukums in 1978. There were already Su-24.
            And about Sablin .. here everything is very ambiguous, but he took the Oath of the USSR. Proceeding from this, it is necessary to regard his act.



            Our Tukums regiment retrained on the Su-24 in theory (one squadron) in 1975., He began to receive planes in 1976.
            I was replaced from there in 1978, so I know that for sure.
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              Thanks again for the information. I, when I was still a cadet at an internship in Tukums in 1978, talked a little about this incident, and different rumors circulated in Riga. You very specifically described the events from the perspective of an eyewitness. Very useful evidence. In the 90s, when they wrote about Sablin in the “Komsomolskaya Pravda”, there was a very lack of a description of the actions of aviation.
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              Thanks for the info! I also read about the Yak-28. Tell me, I'm not special in aviation, but was it thought that the OFAB-250 couple was supposed to cause damage to the ship that were not compatible with further activities? Yours faithfully, hi
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          That's how it really happens! But how much time passed before it appeared at least here. But there is something else that may never appear!
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          That's something like ...



          I will add:
          first (on the second day), inspectors from Moscow began to smash the crew’s combat training to pieces (this always happened, the servicemen know).
          But then, the same Colonel General Golubev was literally obscene deputy. The Air Force chief navigator broke off and said (I won’t vouch for verbatim, yet exactly 40 years have passed):
          - listen to the luminaries (with a mockery) - what is the probability of a single ship being hit by a pair of 4 OFAB-250-270 ?? !! - And I'll tell you - zero point # @ th tenths of a percent !!!
          - 3 pairs were bombed, the first on command - in front of the ship, and the remaining two hit the target !!! Let - one of them - not that! But he got the same !!!
          So Golubev stood up for us, and these Moscow guys became quiet and there were no more complaints about our combat training ...
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        To put forward such requirements, mine is just silly.

        Perestroika. Not?
    2. Zoldat_A 8 November 2015 07: 17 New
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      Everything is correct, so it was. A hero ahead of time!

      There are methods of political struggle against the existing regime, but there are hijacking of a military ship, disobedience to orders and attempted military blackmail. And this clearly needs to be distinguished and not made from a rebel hero. There were dissidents before him, and after him. We sat in psychiatric hospitals, fled to the West - who cares. But, being in the service of the Armed Forces, using the weapons entrusted to you to achieve political goals is treason and armed rebellion. And there was nothing to judge, and no need to shoot in the leg. To defeat, right away.

      And he was really ahead of time. After some 16 years, for the same, he would become the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, just as Pasha-Mercedes became the Minister of Defense ... I would also have done a business like Pasha-Mercedes (the earth is glassy to him!) In Grozny ...

      By the way, our liberals, heroizing traitors and provocateurs of all stripes, forget that you can quietly sit in a mental hospital, like Novodvorskaya, you can quietly dump over a hill and pee paskvili like Solzhenitsyn. And you can run away abroad or impersonate here to buy bread with American butter by betrayal, like the "ideological fighters" Gordievsky and Penkovsky.

      Let, by the way, look at Bukovsky, these unfortunate patriots and "fighters with the regime." He croaked while his lascivious people were in demand and paid, but in old age, when they stopped paying, because now there are such "croakers" on every corner (there’s no one to cut them!), He began to look for child pornography ... Here it is, the whole point of the “fight against the regime” is to snatch a piece fatter for your own belly. Someone goes to work for this, and someone sells their homeland ... They don’t pay for treason - and child pornography will work ...
      1. The lead 8 November 2015 09: 44 New
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        There are methods of political struggle against the existing regime, but there are hijacking of a military ship, disobedience to orders and attempted military blackmail.
        The riot on the ship is a violation of the law and the oath in this was Sablin's tragic mistake. The riot was doomed to failure - this seems to be like Sablin’s naivety, but for such passionaries it’s not the chances of success that are important, but the action itself (in the film “Flight Over actor D. Nicholson makes an unsuccessful attempt to raise a heavy curbstone. In response to reproachful views, he said that he at least tried to raise it.) Sablin had in many ways the correct political convictions, was ready to defend them, which indicates an extraordinary personality . The lack of self-thinking people, the philistine mass dreaming of jeans, Coca-Cola and waiting for the order from the top became the basis of the collapse of the USSR. When the Motherland was in danger, when the traitors stood at the head of the country, there was not a single saber that could come to her to help. And now in the society the type of "Urya-approving" continues to be educated, nothing has changed.
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          Now the society continues to educate the type of "Urya-approval", nothing has changed.

          Absolutely true, and this is sad. The top story does not teach. The same rake and with regular periodicity. Bitter and nasty from all this. Figs with us, but for what children suffer. hi
        2. Pavel Koltunov 8 November 2015 22: 00 New
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          You write.
          \\\ ... when the traitors stood at the head of the country, not a single Sablin was found ... \\\
          Well, why not? Found. Pugo, Rokhlin ... Something you forgot. )))
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            Something you forgot. )
            No, I didn’t forget. There were the GKChP, there were five deputies who voted against the collapse of the USSR. Before that there was a criminal activity of Gorbachev, who gave up one position after another: the collapse of the socialist camp, the withdrawal of troops from eastern Europe, the collapse of the Warsaw block. He spoke out against the GKChP, but it was too late and hesitantly, in the hands of the media, they didn’t explain to the people who the enemy was, what the threats were. There were KGB officers who surrounded the Belovezhskaya criminal assembly, who had a full picture of what was happening, but did not stop the crime committed before their eyes, so they themselves committed a crime without fulfilling their a direct debt. And the entire alpha group went over to Yeltsin, supporting this criminal, the main culprit of the collapse of the USSR. There was no saber among KGB officers, an alpha group and among army officers and a nightmare happened, they calmly watched the allies surrender, how the great country.
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              And the full alpha group has gone over to Yeltsin

              But in Chechnya, the “heroes” of Alpha did not go over to Dudaev, they simply gathered all their manatkas, and rushed off to their home in Moscow, where they gained peace and comfort when they were tired of releasing a village “professionally”, every at once walking behind the backs of conscripts-conscripts of the Internal Military.
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          Described for sure.
      2. Fight cat 8 November 2015 10: 16 New
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        91 years showed that most of the officers wanted to spit on the oath and that the charter is more important for them !!!! And Captain Sablin did everything right, but he was alone!
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          91 years showed that most of the officers wanted to spit on the oath and that the charter is more important for them !!!! And Captain Sablin did everything right, but he was alone!

          What is right then? Become a People’s Deputy, grab a moment and chop the truth-womb at the congress, you look and who will hear, and so - just cheating.
          I was very pleased with the moment -
          The rotting of the USSR began, the corruption of souls, which during the "perestroika" will be sold for jeans and a pack of gum. The fleet is a subtle and complex structure on which any unhealthy social organism immediately responds. The ship is a model of the state in miniature. Fever country - shakes and fleet. Suffice it to recall the uprisings in the fleet since the end of the Romanov empire. It is not surprising that at the time the fleet was at the peak of an accident. The ships were burning, colliding and sinking. In 1974, the year caught fire, exploded and sank the large anti-submarine ship "Brave". A year later, the flames on the huge “Moscow” helicopter carrier began to cloud, submarines were killed. Basically, everything was written off as “negligence of officials”. But this “negligence” had long and dangerous roots that went into an “ideological deficit”. People at the subconscious level felt that the USSR had deprived the ideological rod. Political window dressing, apathy, indifference and indiscriminate drunkenness engulfed society and the fleet itself. - Directly to the Pulitzer Prize pulls. laughing
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            if, like you, you don’t know the charter and don’t take the oath, then of course, you had to creep into the deputies by cunning and wait for the moment to push the river from the rostrum! The problem is that the abscess has already matured and is visible to the naked eye and when it came to the podium it would be too late, such cowards as you and those who put me minus tossed the country! Your spirit is not enough to pick up a weapon and go to defend your point of view! soldier
      3. Apsit 8 November 2015 11: 10 New
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        being in the service of the Armed Forces, using the weapons entrusted to you to achieve political goals is treason and armed rebellion.

        Quite rightly said. And yet, what would he do if he were refused his requirements. Shumbled across Leningrad from all the trunks?
    3. oracul 8 November 2015 08: 29 New
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      What is heroism? It’s not worth the ambition of one person, supported only by a one-sided perception of the world, not able to think adequately, by deceiving people to follow his instructions, to turn into a kind of heroism. It’s easy to find such unfortunate heroes among us today.
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        no matter what thoughts are in my head, for me he is a man who has changed the Military oath, By the way, there are a lot of such "In the highest echelons of both military and political power"
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          In the name of some kind of his idea, the whole crew set up. Moreover, the officers in the crew turned out to be idiots who could not neutralize one person.
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      Such as this hero should be shot from a slingshot as a child. Perestroika began under about the same slogans, and ended with a complete disorganization of power and law enforcement agencies, the collapse of the country and all the “charms” of the 90s. With good intentions, the road to hell is paved! that's enough hi
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      Dobroe vremia sitok g-in Yuriy!
      So vsem uvazenie k mujestvu, etot officer, on narushat voinskij
      prisiaga! I postavit pod ugroza jizen lydey do konca ne poniavshiz 4to k 4emu.
      Po moem G-da! Armija en Flot ne mesto dlia politik igrrisha.!

      PS po moem (vozmojno subektiv mnenij), paxnet Don-Kixotstvom. Politik in Armija eto gremu4ij smes. stop
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      Then came the “Hero” perestroika Mikhail Gorbachov. And .. the Soviet Union is gone. Millions of citizens died. They died of starvation in the early 90's, were killed in different nationalities. conflicts and power sharing. Died of vodka and hopelessness .. unemployment and loss of guidance in life. Abandoned children and the elderly, poverty and corruption of society. I want to recall the words of Stolypin- "You need great shocks, we need a great Russia." And also - "In Russia they like to start reforms only because it is easier to hide the inability to rule."
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      Crazy half-fool!
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      The traitor who violated the oath. But in fact - a naive nedo ... mok.
  2. apro 8 November 2015 06: 33 New
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    Do you want to be a politician take off your epaulettes and forward, matezh on the ship is a crime all the more so to substitute personnel.
    1. yuriy55 8 November 2015 07: 04 New
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      Want to be a politician take off your epaulettes and go

      Tell him in profile (picked up a neutral example)
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        Say it to him in profile

        When de Gaulle became involved in politics, he long ceased to be a military man. And he, too, very successfully converted his image of the head of "Fighting France" into political dividends. So here everything is right:
        Quote: yuriy55
        Want to be a politician take off your epaulettes and go
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      Another example, more “cool”:
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        I do not agree with you, your comparisons are not correct. De Gaulle became a politician at the time of the defeat of France. IVStalin was generally a civilian and he had to put on epaulets in a difficult period for the country.
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          Indeed, how can my examples be correct? Are these people not in uniform? Or didn’t they enter politics on the ship? At the time of the foregoing, I wore a military uniform and remember everything that was connected with this event ... One thing is good, I don’t care what people think about me. Otherwise, I would have turned gray for a long time. The main thing is that not sounds and sets of words are important to me, but thoughts in which these sounds and words are built. hi

          Somehow it came to my mind:
          «— And what did he see, the dead Falcon, in this desert without bottom and edge? Why do people like him, having died, embarrass the soul with their love for flying to heaven? What is clear to them there? But I could know all this, flying up into the sky at least for a short while.
          “He said and did. Curled into a ring, he threw it into the air and flashed in the sun with a narrow ribbon.
          “Born to crawl - cannot fly! .. Forgetting this, he fell on the stones, but did not kill himself, but laughed ...
          “- So that's the beauty of flying to the sky!” She is in the fall! .. Funny birds! Without knowing the earth, yearning for it, they strive high into the sky and seek life in the hot desert. It’s only empty. There is a lot of light, but there is no food there and there is no support for the living body. Why pride? Why reproaches? Then, in order to cover with her the frenzy of her desires and hide behind them her unsuitability for the work of life? Funny birds! .. But now they will not deceive me anymore! I myself know everything! I - saw the sky ... I took off into it, measured it, I knew the fall, but I did not crash, but only I believe in myself stronger. Let those who cannot love the earth live by deception. I know the truth. And I won’t believe their calls. Earth creation - I live by the earth.
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            Yuri Vasilyevich, these people became the leaders of resistance to an external enemy, and did not provoke a civil war as a whole, a stable time, and there were problems in the USSR and they needed to be solved, but not by armed means. Youthful maximalism is certainly romantic but the duty of an officer and citizen is different.
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              Empires are built on youthful maximalism. Example: Octavian Augustus - the first emperor of the Roman Empire. He began his youth political career, rebuilt the republic, realizing that it was dying, and created an empire.
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            The main thing is that not sounds and sets of words are important to me, but thoughts in which these sounds and words are built. hi

            Exactly say it.
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            The main thing is that not sounds and sets of words are important to me, but thoughts in which these sounds and words are built. hi

            Exactly say it.
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            Born to crawl - cannot fly !.

            Is this Sablin something to fly born? Well, he would have flown himself quietly to London and hissed at the Russian IIS service. And the armed rebellion associated with the hijacking of a military ship is not a flight, but a crime that crosses out all his revolutionary ideas. Has anyone studied his receiver for Speedola? Stopudovo most often listened to the Air Force, “Free Europe”, “Freedom” ... Well, that’s a cold in the “draft of freedom”. But I don’t even want to list those who not only caught a cold themselves, but brought the whole country to bilateral pneumonia in 1991. Unless - in the hit list.

            And I wouldn’t have blamed the name of M. Gorky for the name of an ordinary criminal. Also, to me, a plaque-fly, a petrel-terrorist scouted from the political leaders ...

            Not minus only for Gorky.
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          Good-Pinochet ..
          Or Franco ...
          Or Hugo Chavez.
          All active military were at the time of coming to power
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            Why did you go about listing the accomplished politicians, experienced adult men and, moreover, the military. And now we look at the Sablin’s parameters, only the military is suitable (and then a deputy or propagandon). If the authorities took that it was unlikely that the winners would not be judged, and so woe to the vanquished! Give correct examples, I’ll help Arkady Gaidar, though I didn’t have power, but fought for it as part of a large, well-organized, with clear goals and objectives of the Bolshevik party. hi
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              they all entered politics being relatively young, before that not a single one had been noticed in politics ...
              Sablin - 36 years (not a boy anymore !!)
              against his background, the rest are more solid:
              Franco - 44 of the year (general in 33 of the year !!)
              Chavez - Xnumx Years
              the oldest agrees Pinochet - 60 years
    3. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 08: 50 New
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      Want to be a politician take off your epaulettes and go

      And another example.
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        He didn’t give himself the rank of General. Despite the “eccentricity” of his actions, he was able to achieve “relative stability” in the region. Can it get better now?
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      Want to be a politician take off your epaulettes and go

      216 years ago, a French general of Corsican descent denied this. lol
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        In vain you are so with Napoleon, before engaging in politics, he gained authority in the army and society.
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          In vain you are so with Napoleon, before engaging in politics, he gained authority in the army and society.

          You, uncle, that in the forehead, that spelled. One conquered, the other did not. You already decide why spin, like in a frying pan?
      2. Alex 8 November 2015 11: 17 New
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        216 years ago, a French general of Corsican descent denied this.

        And what are its results? What for France, what for him personally? Otto Bismarck is often remembered on this site, and so he once said this: "If you want to lose the war, entrust it to one general."
    5. Mik-51 8 November 2015 15: 30 New
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      Quote: apro
      Do you want to be a politician take off your epaulettes and forward, matezh on the ship is a crime all the more so to substitute personnel.



      Here - with tongue removed ...
      You took the oath. And he attracted, in general, to the right cause of the guys who were not very strong in mind and spirit, who then suffered very hard.
      If you decide to fight the regime - quit the army and - both forward and with the song ...
  3. Igor39 8 November 2015 06: 40 New
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    Yes, I read this story, for myself I consider Sablin a brave man who tried to change something. He talked about the ruling class, I wonder what class is dominating now? Bourgeoisie?
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      I wonder what class is dominant now? Bourgeoisie?

      At present, in the territory of the former USSR capitalism is of oligarchic type, with some elements of socialism still preserved. Of course, the bourgeoisie! An interesting detail: there is a merging of the state apparatus with the financial oligarchy, i.e. she becomes the head of state. Example: in "Ukraine" the head of state is an oligarch (Poroshenko), or the head of state becomes an oligarch (Yanukovych). In the republics of Central Asia, elements of feudalism are clearly visible.
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        Yes, they show on channels how the ruling class lives, artists show which houses they live in and how they spend their leisure time on honestly earned (artists generally raised kapets) praise each other. Moscow, St. Petersburg, they live there, Sochi, they rest there, the rest can be do not show, the dark zone, inhabited by "cattle." Well, nothing, the time will come.
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        Quote: bistrov.
        In the republics of Central Asia, elements of feudalism are clearly visible.

        In Central Asia and in the Soviet era, we were clearly in a hurry with developed socialism ... We renamed the bays as secretaries of district committees and directors of state farms. But the essence is the same, the medieval one remains ...
      3. Saratoga833 8 November 2015 11: 36 New
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        In the republics of Central Asia, elements of feudalism are clearly visible.

        But feudalism was not outlived in them even in Soviet times. This was the first time I encountered this in 1972, when I had to serve in Central Asia. So there is nothing to be surprised. We tried to drag the feudal state into socialism and communism. But they did not have a capitalist stage of development. And when the USSR collapsed, they immediately came to their native feudal system.
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          We tried to drag the feudal state into socialism and communism. But they did not have a capitalist stage of development. And when the USSR collapsed, they immediately came to their native feudal system.

          Which proves the fallacy of the class approach to society.
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            Which proves the fallacy of the class approach to society.
            Just your ignorance highlights.
    2. bhdir1946 8 November 2015 09: 43 New
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      Now the "desirable for Sablin" power has been established, and its successors dominate under the guise of patriotism
    3. Rivares 8 November 2015 13: 09 New
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      He talked about the ruling class, it is interesting to me, and now what class is dominant? Bourgeoisie?

      The class theory of Jude Marx is more confusing than giving answers. The director of the bourgeois state factory? No. Top-level bourgeois official? No. Interior Minister bourgeois? No. Are they bought by the bourgeoisie? Also not, rather, the bourgeoisie is subordinate to them. Familiar guys somehow made up family relationships of senior officials at work. Everyone's eyes went up. The manager said to remove and not show anyone. From the point of view of the question of domination, it is more correct to put in the form which clans (Rhoda-Scott.) Influence decision-making.
  4. midshipman 8 November 2015 06: 51 New
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    Sablin, in my opinion, had no responsibility for the country. It is rightly noted by Oleg Frolov, if you want to engage in politics, take off your epaulettes.
    After him, other creatures appeared (I do not call them people, although in my order books there are decrees signed by them) that destroyed our country.
    Starting in 1979, I had to go to many different countries (on military issues), I can say that if we did not feed other countries, the people of the USSR would have high incomes. Take a look now. Unemployment among young people has reached a terrifying level, and most importantly, young people do not work in their specialty. This I say not by hearsay, in addition to the main work, I head the technical department at a technical university. Compare the income of 10% of the richest people in the country and 50% of the rest of the population. This is a country’s security term that should be controlled by the government. Otherwise, the liberals will again agitate the people. I have the honor.
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      EVERYTHING IS TRUE MICHMAN. SOLIDAR. I HAVE HONOR.
    2. kalibr 8 November 2015 07: 45 New
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      Yuri G.! Well, then the king correctly shot Ochakov and pressed Memory of Azov, Skory and Potemkin. There have always been and there will be people who feel injustice more acutely than others, they cannot wait (this is temperament!) - "Klaas's ashes knock on my heart!" - and that's what they are doing! Here you head the department, it means you are a doctor of science. But how much do you get and how much is your rector? And now remember the same 79. How much did the assistant professor, doctor, head of department receive. and the rector. The difference is not comparable, is not it? So the liberals have something to haunt the people now, right?
      1. midshipman 8 November 2015 08: 15 New
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        Dear Vyacheslav, you are right. I’m talking about this and that this index should not exceed 20 (according to experts). Since 1979, by decision of the Government, I headed the GU of one of the defense ministries. Prior to that, he was the Chief Designer of combat systems. So, I always made sure that the Chief Designers of the enterprises subordinate to me had earnings at the director level. And there were more than 50 enterprises. At the moment, they forgot about it, and this is very bad.
        For example, I, as the head of the State Institution, had a salary of 600 rubles, the Minister 1500 rubles, and the Chairman of the Government 2000 rubles. The head of the department at the university is 450 rubles, the professor is 400 rubles. A cooperative apartment (3 rooms) in Leningrad (we bought it and lived in it before moving to Moscow) cost 9000 rubles. I have the honor.
        1. kalibr 8 November 2015 09: 46 New
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          Yes, and Associate Professor, Ph.D. got xnumx p. while the first secretary of the regional OK of the CPSU - 320, 600-th - 2 p. And now I’m just afraid to give the numbers, yes, actually they are on the Internet. And where is the higher level of income difference with us or in the United States?
          I wonder what the cons? What tsifir wrong or the difference between the maximum and minimum income is still more acceptable in our country, and not in the States? The truth is you can not erase the minus! Of course, you can close your eyes on her like an ostrich and stick your head in the sand. But ... naked ... all the same for the review will remain!
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          Quote: midshipman
          For example, I, as the head of the State Institution, had a salary of 600 rubles, the Minister 1500 rubles, and the Chairman of the Government 2000 rubles. The head of the department at the university is 450 rubles, the professor is 400 rubles.

          And I, for example, knew one milling machine operator at a defense plant. So grandfather, a simple milling machine operator, received 400-450 per transaction, as a professor. True, the grandfather milling machine was unique. Factory said that on the fingers of these all over the Union. But - nevertheless ... And the installers of metal structures at Baikonur in Tyuratam at the points received 1400-1600? Work, of course, for wear, but also good money. At that time in Leninsk there was no queue at the Moskvich automobile shop, so the men left home for 4 months on a business trip. Without straining.
      2. midshipman 8 November 2015 08: 15 New
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        Dear Vyacheslav, you are right. I’m talking about this and that this index should not exceed 20 (according to experts). Since 1979, by decision of the Government, I headed the GU of one of the defense ministries. Prior to that, he was the Chief Designer of combat systems. So, I always made sure that the Chief Designers of the enterprises subordinate to me had earnings at the director level. And there were more than 50 enterprises. At the moment, they forgot about it, and this is very bad.
        For example, I, as the head of the State Institution, had a salary of 600 rubles, the Minister 1500 rubles, and the Chairman of the Government 2000 rubles. The head of the department at the university is 450 rubles, the professor is 400 rubles. A cooperative apartment (3 rooms) in Leningrad (we bought it and lived in it before moving to Moscow) cost 9000 rubles. I have the honor.
    3. Rivares 8 November 2015 13: 14 New
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      Compare the income of 10% of the richest people in the country and 50% of the rest of the population. This is the term security of the country should be under the control of the Government.

      Then the government will receive as 10% of the richest people)))
  5. Red pedro 8 November 2015 07: 06 New
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    Stupid act of a loser. The author of the article is not a case from EchoMoskva? It smells like Liberast.
  6. azbukin77 8 November 2015 07: 13 New
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    Now, after so many years, one can draw conclusions: Sablin is one of not many officers for whom honor and homeland are not an empty phrase !!!
    1. Zoldat_A 8 November 2015 07: 36 New
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      Now, after so many years, one can draw conclusions: Sablin is one of not many officers for whom honor and homeland are not an empty phrase !!!

      Spit on his goals, Sablin chose the criminal methods and had to answer for his crime, not leaving the captain’s bridge. What did his captain regret, shot in the leg? It was necessary to bring down on the spot, a humanist, damn it ...

      Why do we have young people who grew up under "democracy" in no way - the Motherland gave you weapons to protect it, the Motherland, from an external enemy. And using this weapon against the Motherland for any good purpose is a crime. No options.

      It seems that those who admire Sablin themselves did not serve a day. Either the students rode on deferrals, or simply sloped away from the army. A person who has served in the army at least urgently, must understand what politics is and what armed rebellion is. One crime can outlaw any, the best goals. And if he hadn’t been a political officer on the ship, but commanded a part of the Strategic Missile Forces, standing on the database? Would you threaten to gasp around Moscow? The whole world in ruins, together with the Politburo?
      1. Just BB 8 November 2015 07: 58 New
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        And where is the “tank shooting" of the White House?
        1. Zoldat_A 8 November 2015 09: 23 New
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          Quote: Just VV
          And where is the “tank shooting" of the White House?

          To a democratic coup. Yeltsin and the company back in '91 had to twist the head. Although the GKChP is also not a god news, what are the rulers, and Judas Gorbataya - and even more so .... negative
          1. Just BB 8 November 2015 09: 36 New
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            Et how? request
            The officers were ordered to shoot at the building of the Supreme Power of the country with the citizens of that country, most of them by the people's representatives.
            1. Alex 8 November 2015 11: 22 New
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              Et how? The officers were ordered to shoot at the building of the Supreme Power of the country with the citizens of that country, most of them by the people's representatives.

              Here's what's interesting: in 1991, the army refused to storm the White House, and in 1993, for the sweet soul, they shot the same people whom they supported two years ago. What has changed so much over the years?
              1. your1970 8 November 2015 13: 31 New
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                in 1993 there was a man who signed under the order, in 1991-was not found ... Therefore, they kicked the heads of tankers in tanks in 1991 ...
                And the military were the same
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              Quote: Just VV
              The officers were ordered to shoot at the building of the Supreme Power of the country with the citizens of that country, most of them by the people's representatives.


              Army. unfortunately, she supported the outlawed putschist Yeltsin and failed to comply with the order of the LAW Acting. President and Commander-in-Chief Rutsky, approved by the Supreme Council. What, I think, then very regretted ....
              1. sabakina 8 November 2015 14: 08 New
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                It’s interesting, but those tankers who have shot our White House since 1993, are sleeping right now?
                1. Captain nemo 8 November 2015 22: 44 New
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                  Of course it’s calm, because they carried out the order, and also voluntarily, and not under duress.
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          Winners are not judged!
      2. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 05: 56 New
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        And the sailors in 17m chose no criminal methods ??? You separate the grain from the chaff. Power only listens when the hearth of a military alarm sounds and the glow of artillery shells rings. Only this way and not otherwise. He remained faithful to the oath, for he did not open fire on his own. But he could. Captain could shoot or get rid of him. I didn’t shoot. He understood what he was doing. He knew that he would die. He chose death to shameful decay. And if he believed in the ideas that he voiced, he was certainly a HERO and a martyr for his people, for he had given his life for him. You can be faithful to either the homeland or the authorities. Did not think about it? Then give you an example of Stauffenberg. Having remained loyal to Germany, he went against Hitler in order to save his homeland from defeat and almost death. He understood that this was treason, he understood that he would perish, BUT WENT TO IT! So do HEROES. This is a special kind of people. They do not become. They are born and such people are able to turn the world around.

        For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
  7. vitya1945 8 November 2015 07: 46 New
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    The act was bold, but stupid, and even set up comrades.
  8. Just BB 8 November 2015 08: 05 New
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    Quote: midshipman

    Starting in 1979, I had to go to many different countries (on military issues), I can say that if we did not feed other countries, the people of the USSR would have high incomes. .

    Throw this old hackneyed record!
    “If you hadn’t fed,” then 1991 would have come much earlier (the situation with Bulgarians, Poles, etc.)
    1. kalibr 8 November 2015 09: 48 New
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      But in the end it would still come, right? And why?
      1. Starina_hank 8 November 2015 10: 28 New
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        The state system in the Soviet era was not built correctly, which led to the death of the state! Now, by the way, is even worse.
        1. Alex 8 November 2015 11: 29 New
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          Quote: Just VV
          “If you hadn’t fed,” then 1991 would have come much earlier

          Quote: kalibr
          But in the end it would still come, right? And why?

          Quote: Starina_Hank
          The state system in the Soviet era was not built correctly, which led to the death of the state!

          And one of the signs of the incorrect construction and functioning of the state system was precisely the gratuitous help (consider direct support) of all and all kinds of regimes, which were enough to declare their anti-American position at least in words and expel the American ambassador a couple of times. And there, even if you eat your political opponents for breakfast, petrodollars will pour out with a broad hand instead of raising the standard of living of their citizens. After all, in the end, we broke the Soviet system ourselves, no Poles or Bulgarians in the 1991 in Moscow held a rally, and they did not bring Yeltsin from Africa.
          1. kalibr 8 November 2015 14: 14 New
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            Yes, Alexander, I agree with you completely. There was such a president-dictator-cannibal head of the Central African Republic. He declared that he would follow the "non-capitalist path of development." And immediately received from us a batch of trucks, ZIL, it seems. And ... traveled by one of them to his enemies, laid out on the square in front of his palace with wired lips!
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          It is always built incorrectly, as Marquis Condorcet has proved. The reason is productivity. Under socialism, it is always lower than under capitalism.
      2. Starina_hank 8 November 2015 10: 28 New
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        The state system in the Soviet era was not built correctly, which led to the death of the state! Now, by the way, is even worse.
        1. yuriy55 8 November 2015 11: 49 New
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          The state system in the Soviet era was not built correctly, which led to the death of the state! Now, by the way, is even worse.


          You can’t say this: "Built incorrectly." Just after the death of the chief builder, the rabid foremen led the people in the other direction, from time to time distracting them with the development of virgin lands and the plowing up of arable land in other zones, the turning of rivers, the construction of reinforced-concrete fortifications along the borders, which would cost a lot of human forces and state funds.

          There, above in the article, is the text of Sablin’s alleged speech. You can read ... True, it does not say how the Soviet people enthusiastically accepted the speeches of the old senile, outlined his literary masterpieces and delved into especially the public kiss of old men ... laughing
  9. barbiturate 8 November 2015 08: 12 New
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    An interesting figure this Sablin, for me personally - is more positive. The country really had huge problems and people saw it, but the “hottest” ones (like Sablin) tried to do something. This does not mean that he is definitely a hero, but the attempt is counted.
    Well, statements like "the army is out of politics", "take off epaulettes and engage in politics" - I think these words are NOT correct. Still "ancient" smile Greek Pericles said, and everyone repeated after him (Bismarck, Churchill) that if you are not involved in politics, then it will deal with you. So she took up our people and the military in particular in 1991, the collapse of the country everyone remembers. As a result, our army found itself in fields and camps instead of convenient garrisons in Germany, etc. What were the officers thinking, interestingly, smoking near the tent? I honestly served, did not engage in politics, and as a result allowed a handful of traitors to lower my country, do not indulge in it at all. Any skin bought can be in power and do what you want. This is not a call for revolution, but people in uniform should also think with their heads
    1. Zoldat_A 8 November 2015 09: 36 New
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      Quote: barbiturate
      Well, statements like "army outside politics", "take off epaulettes and engage in politics" - I think these words are NOT correct.

      The army is not out of politics. AND no one forbids officers to participate in the political process. It’s forbidden to use the weapon given to you to achieve political goals.

      Why all of you, defenders of Sablin, you don’t understand a simple thing - do politics, but without weapons, and, moreover, arbitrarily captured. A soldier with a weapon does not have the right to take a cartridge without an order - a military crime. And then the ship hijacked - and someone justifies it! Yes, even if he was Jesus Christ - he hijacked a warship, did not obey the order - a criminal!

      Do not like orders - quit the Army, although there are no less commanders for citizens, they only command not on command, but all at once and in different directions. In the meantime, in the Army - obey orders, appeal after execution. There is no democracy in the army, or then there is no army. The army has an ORDER. Which is enforceable. Failure to comply with an order or unauthorized actions without an order is a crime. And with a weapon - a felony.

      Of course, Democrats who have just sat up and stayed in higher education institutions, which are now more divorced than the heel before, cannot be understood ... How is it - one person commands another ...

      The last paragraph is not about you, barbituratepersonally. Here the Defenders are enough. And just such, democratic ...
      1. populist 8 November 2015 10: 29 New
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        Zoldat_A
        And no one forbids officers to participate in the political process.

        But this, if there is a political process. And if there is no process?
        How many times did the Russian army (officers) put emperors and tsars?
        Peter1, Catherine1, Elizabeth, Catherine2, Alexander1 ...
        Did I miss anyone?
        1. Alex 8 November 2015 11: 34 New
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          But this, if there is a political process. And if there is no process?
          There is always a political process, even if there are no external manifestations. A demonstrative and public refusal of an unearned prize, for example, is also a political speech.

          Quote: populist
          How many times did the Russian army (officers) put emperors and tsars? Peter1, Catherine1, Elizabeth, Catherine2, Alexander1 ... I have not missed anyone?
          Missed. Sofya Alekseevna, an unsuccessful attempt for Konstantin Pavlovich. Peter I rather defended his throne, his "coronation" at the age of five was a complete political profanation.
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            Missed. Sofya Alekseevna ...

            I was joking.
            There is much to be found in history ... In addition, coup attempts must be considered. For example, the Decembrists, Kornilovites (1917), Sablin, etc.
            Alex
            There is always a political process, even if there are no external manifestations.

            Even when the peasants plow the land?
            1. Alex 8 November 2015 15: 32 New
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              Even when the peasants plow the land?

              From the point of view of historical materialism, yes. Indeed, even in feudal Russia, the peasant community had their own rights (of course, meager, but this does not matter for the theory of state and law). Another thing is that the wisdom of public administration lies precisely in the fact that declarative rights are filled with real content. Let it be small, but real. Then a system of "levers and valves" appears, which allows you to manipulate society and release steam in time, so as not to break the lid. Tsarism too late understood this simple truth, the Soviet party leadership also fell into complacency in conjunction with lethargy. The results were similar.
      2. barbiturate 8 November 2015 10: 30 New
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        I agree with you that without discipline there is no army, and without an army there will be no victory over the enemy in the event of war, but here it is painfully interesting, ideological, so to speak. It’s not the Anglo-Saxons that stuffed pockets of gold with this Sablin, and he didn’t get drunk by drinking smile but advocated the idea and as subsequent events show - the right idea, correct that changes are needed, we go the wrong way and people flee the country slowly and whisper about good life and clean toilets in Finland, for example (like our neighbor at that time ) Here, of course, it is difficult to determine the scope of the army in the political life of the country, but these same politicians use the army to the fullest, in which case, it turns out in peacetime the army is a headless robot, where the paunchy uncle politician poked his finger, we shoot there.
        This is to the fact that the officers can actively participate in political life, for example, arrange some sort of officer meetings at various levels, where a consolidated position of people in uniform on various political processes would be expressed, especially in troubled times.
        1. Zoldat_A 8 November 2015 12: 21 New
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          Quote: barbiturate
          It’s not the Anglo-Saxons that stuffed pockets of gold into this Sablin, and he didn’t get drunk with booze, but advocated the idea and, as subsequent events show, the right idea, the right one is that changes are needed, we go the wrong way and people flee the country slowly and whisper about good life and clean toilets in Finland

          It’s not an idea, but an armed rebellion. Moreover, using official weapons and equipment. And it will spoil any idea. Here populist spoke out that
          if there is a political process. And if there is no process?
          How many times did the Russian army (officers) put emperors and tsars?
          Peter1, Catherine1, Elizabeth, Catherine2, Alexander1 ...
          Did I miss anyone?
          So do not confuse the palace coup and the Soviet Army, the Soviet officer and the court intriguer. Yes, and with the modern democratic cesspool, I would also not be equal to the Soviet Army. All the traditions that today are in the Army, all from the Soviet Army. Except, perhaps, funny costumes in the Kremlin are pseudo-shakers and dumb tunics. On the monarchy and monarchist coups in general, a separate conversation. Whoever dumps her in Russia is still progress.
          1. populist 8 November 2015 14: 57 New
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            So do not confuse the palace coup and the Soviet Army, the Soviet officer and the court intriguer.

            Thus, you have all the Russian officers who supported Peter1, Elizabeth and others were in intrigues! For me, these are heroes.
            These Russian officers were forced to use their position and weapons in the interests of the state and people, if you carefully read the story.
            But the palace coups (and their attempts) were under the Soviet regime. Soviet officers participated in at least one successful coup in 1953 with the elimination of Beria.
            Revolutions do not happen every day. Now, if Sablin’s attempt had been successful, there would have been a Great .... revolution, and there would have been no collapse of the USSR in 1991 with subsequent monstrous events. Maybe.
      3. Fight cat 8 November 2015 10: 40 New
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        specially for people like you adopted 1983 article 24

        Article 24. "Abuse of power, excess or omission of power."
        Abuse of a superior or official by authority or official position, abuse of authority or official authority, inaction of authority if these acts were committed systematically or out of mercenary motives or other personal interest, as well as if they caused significant harm ....
        Point B) ... committed in wartime or in a combat situation, shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to 15 years ... or the death penalty.


        it’s a pity that they accepted her after Captain Sablin! soldier
      4. goblin xnumx 8 November 2015 12: 00 New
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        Ulman, Eduard Anatolyevich - by the way, the person who executed the order, what is your opinion about him?
    2. Just BB 8 November 2015 09: 42 New
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      An army cannot be outside politics - it is itself an instrument of politics, which in turn is a continuation of the economy. So the situation in our own country is a "lot" and the military. These photographs of historical figures (and how much more can be given) are proof of this.
  10. fa2998 8 November 2015 08: 18 New
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    Rather, an adventurer.

    Just a very naive person. But politics is not for such.

    And what was Sablin demanding! Express his thoughts on television and radio. He protested in the proletarian-peasant state that they did not participate in the leadership of the state. A man takes up an ax when the leadership does not notice its problems for a long time. What could be achieved at the state level in the USSR? You can find yourself abroad (a dissident), in a mental hospital, or like Sablin. A naive adventurer-machine will crush anyway! hi
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    for me he is not a hero. the officer betrayed his oath.
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    According to the point of view of legality and military oath, Sablin is a traitor and there is no forgiveness, it is possible that he and in some ways the right-party nomenclature, at the end of the reign, thoroughly fused with crime, supported by special services from abroad, which in turn worked and work in the interests of the octopus of financial corporations. Sablin in some ways resembles Lieutenant Schmidt of the tsarist era, however, they finished the same way. After reading the comments of colleagues, the opinion was one-saber traitor! No need to blame the author of the article, as some did, this is our story, many-sided and many-sided
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      Quote: Gray 43
      According to the point of view of legality and military oath, Sablin is a traitor and there is no forgiveness, it is possible that he and in some ways the right-party nomenclature, at the end of the reign, thoroughly fused with crime, supported by special services from abroad, which in turn worked and work in the interests of the octopus of financial corporations. Sablin in some ways resembles Lieutenant Schmidt of the tsarist era, however, they finished the same way. After reading the comments of colleagues, the opinion was one-saber traitor! No need to blame the author of the article, as some did, this is our story, many-sided and many-sided

      Our history is really many-sided and many-sided, and where a simple person to understand it. Think about it: the battleship “Potemkin” and the BOD “Watchdog” - what is the difference, heroes or traitors? Thoughts come that the story is unpredictable.
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        Quote: GULO
        Think about it: the battleship “Potemkin” and the BOD “Watchdog” - what is the difference, heroes or traitors?


        Heroes are Varyag, Korean, Brig Mercury, Sibiryakov, and many others who performed order. Potemkin, Ochakov, Watchdog-rebels who violated the oath, the order and, accordingly, were subject to disarmament or destruction. Submission to order is the basis of the army and the state, otherwise, they will end ....
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          But in the USSR "the feat" of Potemkin was a "feat", an example ... And Ochakov. At this brought up the same Sablin. Or am I wrong?
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    2. Looking for 8 November 2015 18: 48 New
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      And you, that, the opinion is formed according to the comments of colleagues
  13. Stinger 8 November 2015 08: 28 New
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    On that day, Sablin turned to the crew with the words: “The current state apparatus must be thoroughly cleaned and partially thrown into the dustbin of history.
    And, as it turned out later, he was right.
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    Just a traitor, although he painted the rebellion with bright slogans. And not the Su-24, but the Yak-28 was bombed by the Watchdog.
    1. marinier 8 November 2015 13: 24 New
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      Hallo g-in!
      Armija en Flot, est provodnik vneshni politik Land!
      Armija en Flot, ne est instrument vnutri-politik igrish v rukax meste4kovix politikanov.

      s Uvazeniem!
  15. kote119 8 November 2015 08: 36 New
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    no matter what goals he would investigate, he violated the oath and endangered the crew of the ship, and this is not good. Even during the reign of the liberals in the 90s, they did not raise a hand to rehabilitate this comrade
    1. forumow 8 November 2015 15: 50 New
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      He is not a liberal!
  16. ALEA IACTA EST 8 November 2015 08: 48 New
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    He overestimated his capabilities. Some officer ... against a superpower.
  17. sergei.84 8 November 2015 08: 53 New
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    I understand the author’s desire to try to see something sensible, far-sighted and heroic in Sablin’s deed. But in my opinion, he took advantage of people's trust in the officer. No matter what will the crew did not subordinate to, this is stupid! Without conscripts, with some officers and midshipmen, the ship is nowhere I’m personally interested in the further fate of the officers of this ship, how many destinies did the hero break, and how did their career end? He, on the contrary, took advantage of the fact that the crew wasn’t harmonious, otherwise he would have failed!
  18. mr.vasilievich 8 November 2015 08: 58 New
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    It is impossible to measure a person’s actions on the principle of black and white. Of course, Sablin was a thinking, honest man, worried about the fate of his homeland. But the crew of the ship set up large, I didn’t think about people (or didn’t I think the forest was cut, chips fly?). By the way, or I looked through inattention, the article does not say about the fate of the crew.
    1. forumow 8 November 2015 16: 17 New
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      The crew had every opportunity to stop Sablin! They themselves did not want to or retired. Which, in a cut, is an indicator of the mood of Soviet society. There is obvious hidden dissatisfaction with the current situation in the country, which eventually spilled over in 1991. Nobody wanted to defend the “Soviet” power and the symptoms as we already saw in 1975. Now many have forgotten, or rather underestimate, the direction and intensity of the moods then set, of course “perestroika” anti-Soviet propaganda, but its roots lie in an earlier period. The reasons for IMHO are the bankruptcy of Soviet ideology and sociology, which turned communist ideas into postulates, the study and development of which was replaced by swindling, work "for show," because through the efforts of their "generals" became "reinforced concrete" and unbearable!
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      There is a documentary film "The Last Parade of Political Sablin" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu3AgPSsVZc). The film says that the crew was disbanded, and the ship was transferred to the Far East. Together with Sablin, the sailor Shein was sentenced to 8 years.
  19. Koshchei 8 November 2015 09: 00 New
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    He received his verdict quite deservedly, as he put in mortal danger the people trusted by him.
  20. denis6064 8 November 2015 09: 01 New
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    The rebellion cannot end in success, otherwise his name is different.
  21. oracul 8 November 2015 09: 10 New
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    The strip of opinions only confirms that there can be no consensus here. For me, only one thing is clear that the "talent" of the demon of the revolution - Trotsky and his followers, so far, and after so many years have passed, is eager to plunge the world into the crucible of the world revolution. Good intentions for which you can destroy millions. However, none of them wants to be a simple person. Just ahead, on a dashing horse with a saber bald. I think that the political officer from this category. If you follow the logic of some commentators, then the Ukrainian Nazis are right in their desire to restore some order in Ukraine. But how - they are heroes ready with arms in their hands to defend their "truth." And further. Over the past quarter century, a huge number of "historians" have bred, trying to make a name for themselves by singing a variety of personalities, either Kolchak, Vlasov, Nikolai P, which most of his contemporaries did not take seriously, and others, in the search for exclusively negative the Soviet government (stoning - cruelty, industrialization - not all indicators are fulfilled, collectivization - they ruined the real masters, repression - far-fetched and unjustified, WWII - too many dead). So, they literally “make” history, pulling someone (such as Sablin) out of nonexistence and trying to find something positive in them, while someone, on the contrary, is forgotten, in every way minimizing their feat (Stakhanov, Panfilov’s, Sailors) , Gastello and thousands of others).
    1. forumow 8 November 2015 16: 27 New
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      This does not mean that without revolutions everyone will survive. There is a world worse than any war. Look, for example, in the next branch, on the British historical example of "how sheep sat people." But no revolutions except industrial! Propaganda of sentiments "if only there was no war" and became, in many respects, the cause of the collapse of the USSR - a generation of infantile egoists was raised.
    2. Lone wolf 10 November 2015 19: 25 New
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      Good intentions for which you can destroy millions.
      Good intentions usually paved the road to hell
  22. Roy
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    Romantic and idealist. But indisputably patriotic and worried about the fate of their homeland and people, personality.
    1. visitork67 8 November 2015 10: 37 New
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      Jonas Pleskis-2. Romantic off the highway (water). From strong emotions he drove the ship to Sweden, got rams and courses (when the lighthouse passed, the course was to Sweden - 43 miles, a few hours). And from the people he had only one real like-minded accomplice was - the librarian / projectionist Shein. A representative of the ship's intelligentsia, so to speak. Chumokhod is a patriot.
  23. Stas57 8 November 2015 09: 34 New
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    however, here's what is remarkable for evaluating events

    В 1994 last year, the military collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation reviewed Sablin’s case “taking into account new circumstances” and re-qualified it from “treason to the Motherland” to articles on military crimes (abuse of power, disobedience and resistance to superiors), the totality of which changed the sentence to 10 years of imprisonment. It was pointed out that Sablin and his ally, sailor Alexander Shein, are not subject to full rehabilitation.

    thus in the wake of Yeltsin’s democracy, a hero could be made of him, however ...
    1. yuriy55 8 November 2015 13: 55 New
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      in the wake of Yeltsin’s democracy, a hero could be made of him, however ...

      It is enough that Yeltsin did not drink the remains of gold and foreign exchange reserves, and the Yeltsin era highlighted the "great names" of Grachev, Gaidar, Chubais, Berezovsky, etc.
  24. gattus 8 November 2015 10: 11 New
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    Violation of the military oath cannot be justified. At one time, the flight of the representative of the USSR to the UN, the "democrats" also tried to raise to the shield, "like a fighter against the regime." And Belenko, who hijacked a plane, had personal ambitions above the oath.
    1. Fight cat 8 November 2015 10: 42 New
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      all who took the oath, even under the USSR and in 1991 during the collapse of the state, they are all traitors and violators of the military oath. In the military oath, there is not even the likelihood of a change in the political system, he changed the oath to betray the USSR. soldier
      1. pv1005 8 November 2015 12: 20 New
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        all who took the oath, even under the USSR and in 1991 during the collapse of the state, they are all traitors and violators of the military oath. In the military oath, there is not even the likelihood of a change in the political system, he changed the oath to betray the USSR. soldier

        Have you ever seen the text of the oath of the USSR or Russia in your eyes? I’m not talking about reading or accepting their comrades (fellow citizens) before the ranks. Where is the oath talking about the political system and loyalty to him ??? Who apparently became the legal successor of the USSR is unknown to you.
        1. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 06: 37 New
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          There are no successors. Either the USSR or nothing. If you think like that, then you will come to the point of betraying the country. There was an illegal separation of the republics from the RSFSR, a change in the political system, and the rewriting of the constitution and laws. The result of these actions is out in the cemeteries. This is a betrayal of the country and people. And there are no successors here!

          For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
        2. Fight cat 9 November 2015 12: 04 New
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          for you, as for the cleverest, I took the oath only once. The Charter says in plain text what, how and why, in the oath, it is written in plain text.
          As a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, when joining the Armed Forces, I take the oath and solemnly swear to be an honest, brave, disciplined, vigilant warrior, to strictly keep military and state secrets, to abide by the Constitution of the USSR and Soviet laws, unquestioningly comply with all military charters and orders commanders and commanders.
          I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to take care of military and national property in every way and to the last breath be devoted to my people, my Soviet Motherland and the Soviet government.
          I am always ready, on the orders of the Soviet Government, to defend my Homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself to achieve a complete victory over enemies .
          If I violate my solemn oath, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the Soviet people.


          Read the charter
          The Charter of the Internal Service of the Armed Forces of the USSR:
          Chapter 1. Military personnel and the relationship between them.
          Section One. General duties of military personnel.
          Point 1. A soldier of the Armed Forces of the USSR is the defender of his homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
          A soldier is personally responsible for protecting his homeland. It should: protect the interests of the Soviet state, help strengthen its power and authority, holy and indestructible (!) Comply with the Constitution of the USSR and Soviet laws, fulfill the military oath, be disciplined, honest, truthful, courageous and not spare his strength and life itself when fulfilling military duty ....
          And so on and so forth. Point 3 is especially indicative:
          ... A serviceman ... is obliged to completely fulfill his military duty to the Soviet Motherland in battle. Nothing, including the threat of death, should force a serviceman of the USSR Armed Forces to surrender.
          Treason to the Motherland is a grave crime against the Soviet people.


          SHO you talked there ... dear oath soldier
    2. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 06: 31 New
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      You do not confuse. A person who, out of personal greedy motives, is trying to violate the Oath and a person who, believing in ideals, is trying to intervene in the process of decay of an entire country and people, at the cost of breaking the Oath. These are completely different people. Yes, he is a separatist. BUT he is not a traitor if he believed in what he was talking about. Sometimes there is a situation when it is NECESSARY to violate the Oath in order to protect our people and country from death. This is very difficult and many will call you an enemy and a traitor, but in reality this is not so, only the initiates know the truth, and the Gods will judge.

      For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
  25. Robert Nevsky 8 November 2015 11: 08 New
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    Friends, the article says that under Brezhnev there was "decomposition." I do not agree, We lived like kings
    then.
    1. yuriy55 8 November 2015 14: 01 New
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      Do not believe anyone. There was no decomposition ... they were supported by their preparations ... It was they who, after 1982, began to recover like flies. We still have people, like kings, in collapsing huts waiting for the overthrow ... laughing
  26. RoTTor 8 November 2015 11: 13 New
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    Sablin is our lieutenant Schmidt, but the Watchtower became neither Potemkin nor Aurora.
    The Suslovian “ideoluhs” admitted all traitors to the CPSU leadership - the Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, Yakovlevs, Kravchuks, but uprooted all honest and thinking people, they castrated the communist theory, replacing it with the reproach that each ordinary plenum is historical.
    Here is the result ...
    Eternal memory to the real officer, patriot and Bolshevik Sablin!
    We will return to him his worthy place in our history.
    1. Saratoga833 8 November 2015 12: 02 New
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      Sablin tried to implement a good idea with useless methods. And a worthy place for him, as an officer, in the dustbin of history.
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        What would you do?
  27. crazy_fencer 8 November 2015 11: 15 New
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    In at least one paragraph, the author carries complete nonsense. When could Sablin write to Khrushchev, if that one was turned in 1964? And if he wrote, especially about a multi-party system, then how could he graduate from a higher political school? He wouldn’t be allowed close after such letters. Do not forget that the correspondence (especially of this kind) was perfectly illustrated by a special department.
    1. yuriy55 8 November 2015 11: 37 New
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      Forgive me for interfering with your thoughts, read his biography and find out that there was enough time for the person born in 1939 and who began the service in 1960. And in 1973 he graduated from the Academy ...

      PS You can minus here in the first message ... laughing
  28. atos_kin 8 November 2015 11: 33 New
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    Oh, how many "judicial sentences" the "Internet-sofa brothers" captain Sablin abused. It is a pity that he was born before the appearance of the "World Tribune" and cannot protect his name. Do not judge, brothers, let not you be judged.
  29. Beard31 8 November 2015 11: 39 New
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    Deputy Sablin, of course, is a romantic and passionary, and not a coward, but an absolutely stupid person. From this whole story it is clear that it was used, before which ideologically pumped up barren ideas with the impetus that made him make an impulse and act, to which he did not give an account, he is a performer of someone else's will. And it seems to me that sdes could not do without female charms, I am sure that it was handled by a woman, into whom this one fell into love. Baba introduced him to her friends, who sat in the kitchen in the evenings and debated on political and philosophical topics, gave literature + propaganda radio broadcasts from over the hill and here’s a ready-made, ideally inflated suicide bomber.
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      But this, in my opinion, is the version that has the right to exist!
    2. sergei.84 8 November 2015 18: 21 New
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      But this, in my opinion, is the version that has the right to exist!
  30. unknown 8 November 2015 11: 43 New
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    USSR destroyed Trotskyism?

    But the ideological basis of the USSR was Trotskyism.
    Stalin outplayed Trotsky, but remained under US control.
    The struggle of Stalin and his entourage against the Trotskyists was not successful.
    Hence the defeat of 1941, and the post-war heyday of Bandera on the outskirts, and the assassination of Stalin.
    And he was replaced by the Trotskyist Khrushchev.

    Sablin is an idealist, a complete analogy of Lieutenant Schmidt. Completely ill-conceived, unprepared and untimely. And he killed himself and people who trusted him.
  31. Megatron 8 November 2015 11: 54 New
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    I wonder who he betrayed, a question for those who call him a traitor?
    Rotten power? He did not pass on any secrets, nor did he receive money from abroad. While the ruling elite squandered and transferred overseas national property, he was thinking about reorganizing the country. And the very quick collapse of the Union, confirmed that he was right. If you have not forgotten, then the oath is given to the people, not the authorities, and the people of Sablin did not betray!
    Following your logic, the Novocherkassk executions were also justified.

    And judging by the speed with which the authorities dealt with Sablin, she was very afraid of him that they would come after him.
    1. your1970 8 November 2015 14: 05 New
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      Imagine that picture now - a rebellion on a NATO warship, appeals like "the top has rotted, corruption is raging, the refugees got it, Frau Merkel is silent like a fish on ice ...."
      Will they let him get to neutral waters or to territorial waters of the Russian Federation? Who will drown him faster, the competition in NATO will be ...

      And God forbid with his formula: "-I will shell the ships of the Russian Federation and its city ..?" belay belay belay what lol
      That is why the military rebellion is always rebellion and strangle it (if they can repeat ) fast-exactly as it happened in reality in 1975 year
  32. Taoist 8 November 2015 12: 11 New
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    Yes, there is nothing to discuss here.

    Sablin violated the oath and the Charter. Definitely and without options. In any country in the world and in any army, this is punished as severely as possible. To what extent his convictions justified such a crime is a purely question. As a rule, all "revolutionaries in uniform" are a priori suicide bombers - since they commit a deliberate crime.
    The fact that Sablin the adventurer is an idealist also generally requires no evidence. Moreover, the cheapest injury - since he failed to understand the elementary meaninglessness and danger of his actions, not only for himself but also for those whom he led. What can I say? Zampolit in a word ...
    1. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 06: 44 New
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      But is power destroying its people not betraying it? What are you talking about the Military Oath, is there still a political oath that the president is now taking, and therefore the top, and what do we see ???? The country is squandered!
    2. Fight cat 9 November 2015 12: 08 New
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      The Charter of the Internal Service of the Armed Forces of the USSR:
      Chapter 1. Military personnel and the relationship between them.
      Section One. General duties of military personnel.
      Point 1. A soldier of the Armed Forces of the USSR is the defender of his homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
      A soldier is personally responsible for protecting his homeland. It should: protect the interests of the Soviet state, help strengthen its power and authority, holy and indestructible (!) Comply with the Constitution of the USSR and Soviet laws, fulfill the military oath, be disciplined, honest, truthful, courageous and not spare his strength and life itself when fulfilling military duty ....
      And so on and so forth.

      Point 3 is especially indicative:

      ... A serviceman ... is obliged to completely fulfill his military duty to the Soviet Motherland in battle. Nothing, including the threat of death, should force a serviceman of the USSR Armed Forces to surrender.
      Treason to the Motherland is a grave crime against the Soviet people.
  33. Dan Slav 8 November 2015 12: 25 New
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    I read the appeal. How topical it is now!
    Alas, there are even fewer honest people everywhere, and there are simply no such people in power.
    The person had a soul ache. Soul cured - shot ...
  34. Tektor 8 November 2015 12: 29 New
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    Sablin has developed a detailed program for rebuilding society. Sablin was distinguished by high political activity and already wrote to Khrushchev, expressing his thoughts on the purity of party ranks. is he advocated for a multi-party system, freedom of speech and discussion, changing the order of elections in the party and country. The officer decided to publicize his program, pointing out serious errors and the decomposition of the Soviet leadership, from the “platform” of the Watchdog BPC.
    Yes, this could have prevented the collapse of the collapse, there was enough time.
    ... he stated that pleadership of the USSR departed from Leninist principles. Sablin suggested that the ship unauthorized transfer to Kronstadt, declare it an independent territory, on behalf of the crew, require the leadership of the party and country to provide him with the opportunity to speak on Central Television with his views. According to another version, Sablin planned to lead the ship to Leningrad, to embark on a raid near the Aurora and from there go on air every day, urging USSR citizens to the communist revolution, to change the Brezhnev party-state apparatus and establish social justice.
    Lenin just taught that only a party can prepare and pick up changes ... One person cannot do this. The one-party system did not provide opportunities for reforming the system. Sablin is a lone hero. His name will be preserved in history next to Vysotsky, Zverev ...
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      One person cannot do this. The one-party system did not provide opportunities for reforming the system.

      Now a multi-party system. But I, a loner, again I can’t change anything. Only masses of people acting as a united front can reform the system, which is proved by the "orange revolutions" and, including the Great October Revolution.
      To this, to the speech of the masses of the people, an ideological and political leader is needed, shadow or open, this is not important.
      Therefore, do not write about the possibilities of singles in a multi-party system. This is hanging noodles on the ears of readers.
  35. Megatron 8 November 2015 12: 34 New
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    It would be more like Sablin - you look and would not let the USSR collapse, would crush the Yeltsin reptile. An officer is primarily a thinking unit, not a blockhead blindly following orders.
    1. Aleksey_K 8 November 2015 15: 08 New
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      An officer is primarily a thinking unit, not a blockhead blindly following orders.

      So, after all, every person, every ordinary person is, first and foremost, a thinking unit, and not a blockhead blindly following orders.
      Do not call for anarchy.
      If you want, he did not choose the right path to fight the party. A good example is Gorbachev. So he did the right thing. He made his way to the very top and from there gradually developing economic and national instability, he began the collapse of the existing communist system.
      Do not consider me an anti-communist, quite the opposite. It’s just that Sablin really did absolutely everything wrong, or he covered his true goals with a desire to carry out political reforms in the party. I think he just lied.
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      because the traders-traitors in the power of the present patriots destroyed, promoted their bastards, dolbo .... in the guard. This can be seen from the discussion.
  36. Jan Rudzutak 8 November 2015 12: 48 New
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    Is Sablin the hero ahead of time ?? !! There is a very good book by V. Shigin, "Rebellious Watchdog," The chronology of this incident is very clearly described.
    And about the sailors of the Godkids, and about the midshipmen of the chests who had everything on the drum! And about the officers who stupidly like sheep went after Sablin! But then, before the ranks, their shoulder straps were ripped off !! He wanted to go to Kronstad like that !! Look at the map with its course and everything will become clear !! It has long passed the turning point on the course to the Gulf of Finland and, increasing its speed to full speed, swept into Swedish territorial waters !! He was stopped 12 miles before them! In neutral waters! Fucking fucking !! How many people have broken their careers and life too !! Good worthy officers !! So he was spanked correctly. Deserved !!! But what really revealed this case is that it’s definitely the decomposition of officers in the ranks of the USSR Navy.
    1. Stelth1985 9 November 2015 06: 48 New
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      Maybe so. We will not find out the truth. To evaluate a person’s deed, you need to know the chronology of his actions and actions. As always.
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    In 1976, in practice, the conflicting rumors about this rebellious TFR reached us in the Arsenal of the Liepaja Navy. For us crazy students, it seemed very cool then bully
    1. forumow 8 November 2015 16: 40 New
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      Also by the way, an indicator of public sentiment. How could such a demarche evoke approval during the years of the national patriotic upsurge, for anyone? Shows that "rolled down an inclined plane!"
  38. marinier 8 November 2015 13: 02 New
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    G-da!
    Armija en Flot ne politik tribun, tem-boli dlia bestalani dimakok (za primer in world xodit ne nado!)
    Armija en podruzumevat slujba svoi en narot ot vraga vneshnij.

    PSArmij, Flot, est elita elit svoi Land !!!
    soldier
  39. wow
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    I participated in a military parade on November 7, 1975 in Riga. It (parade) always took place on the Komsomol embankment. On the Daugava there was always a system of warships. That year there was this BOD. The next day they were dismissed and saw an empty place in the ranks. Rumors circulated that the ship had been hijacked. At the evening calibration beginning. course announced this officially. Calling Sablin a hero is simply stupid. If we discard the version of the banal hijacking of the latest at that time BOD for the cordon, then this is an extremely stupid and simply dangerous adventure. It's a crazy idea to speak on TV and radio from a stolen warship.
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      I agree, if considered strategically and tactically. And provided that he really believed in what he was saying, because if it was a lie and he wanted to blame it over a hill, then he was a traitor and they shot him correctly.
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    As an officer there is no excuse for him! Likewise, the betrayal of the motherland has not been proven. But what prompted him is an interesting question. The deputy politician (and he himself tore the path), the ideological treatment was carried out seriously, but somewhere there was a skew in teaching. The person was convinced of the triumph of justice, and forgot to say what justice can triumph. As if the medical board was weak at admission, or was silent about head injuries. It is an interesting fact, but it may have been deliberately misled
    he gathered 13 officers and 13 midshipmen
    smacks of mysticism.
    And how right
    Aleksander (1) MD Today, 12:03 PM
    The heroes are Varyag, Korean, Brig Mercury, Sibiryakov, and many others who have fulfilled the order. Potemkin, Ochakov, Watchdog-rebels who violated the oath, the order and, accordingly, were subject to disarmament or destruction. Submission to the order is the basis of the army and the state, otherwise they will end ...
    hi
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    Quote: mik-51
    Then we were assembled in a soldier’s club and before us the Commander of the 15th VA, Commander Golubev (by the way, during the war, was led by Pokryshkina).
    He paced in front of the first row and broadcast:
    - so we decided to check your combat readiness on holidays in a serious way. We drove a barge into the Irbensky Strait (choked laughter in the hall - we saw this "barge" with our own eyes) ... stop it !!! - this is a laugh in the hall.
    Later:
    - categorically forbid any talk on this topic outside the airport, even in families ...
    That's how it was.

    As they say having ears Yes hears !!! And having a brain ,,,,, Yes thinks
    1. kalibr 8 November 2015 14: 29 New
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      Shakespeare! Sonnet 66 th:
      "I call death, I could not look at the power of the bole,
      How a decent husband perishes in poverty
      And the villain lives in beauty and hall;
      How does the confidence of the pure souls hang around?
      How chastity threatens shame
      How honors are given to scoundrels
      As the power of niknet before arrogant gaze,
      As everywhere in life triumphant rogue;
      As the art of arbitrariness mocks,
      As mindlessness rules the mind,
      As in the clutches of evil painfully languish
      All that we call Good ... "
      1. IS-80 8 November 2015 16: 06 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        Shakespeare! Sonnet 66 th:

        All day I waited a minute to go down
        In the basement of my secret, to the faithful chests.
        Happy day! can i today
        In the sixth chest (the chest is still incomplete)
        Pour a handful of gold accumulated.
        Not much, it seems, but little by little
        Treasures are growing. I read somewhere
        That the king once his soldiers
        He told me to tear down the earth handful in a heap,
        And the proud hill rose - and the king
        Could ozira from above with fun
        And the valley covered with white tents
        And the sea where the ships ran.
        So I, bringing a handful of poor
        I will be accustomed to my tribute here to the basement,
        Ascended my hill - and from its height
        I can look at everything that is subject to me.
        What is not subject to me? like a demon
        From here I can rule the world;
        If only I want, the halls will be erected;
        In my magnificent gardens
        The nymphs are running fast;
        And the muses will bring their tribute to me,
        And a free genius will enslave me ..
        smile
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          Pushkin! "Mean Knight"
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    "It is assumed ... that, firstly, the current state apparatus will be thoroughly cleaned up, and broken down and thrown into some landfills of history, as it is deeply infected by nepotism, bribery, careerism, arrogant towards the people, and secondly, to the dump "an election system must be thrown out, turning the people into a faceless mass. Thirdly, all conditions that create the omnipotence and uncontrolled state bodies on the part of the masses should be eliminated." - It seems this is still relevant today, although liberalism can be added here, and our officials are sabotaging the decrees of the country's top leadership.
    1. forumow 8 November 2015 16: 50 New
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      These features are inherent in the state administrative apparatus everywhere and at all times! Soviet was not so bad, but everything is known in comparison, and the closed nature of Soviet society prevented these comparisons. At the same time, propaganda trumpeted about some ideal, "utopian" society. What conclusions should an honest man have come to looking at this "plug"? Many others fell into the same trap.
  43. ODERVIT 8 November 2015 14: 06 New
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    He formed his attitude to those distant events a long time ago. Sablin is a state criminal who ruined the lives of crew members, consonant and disagree. If I really wanted to show disagreement, I would go to Red Square and express my principles. Why was the crew involved in this adventure? You can relate to the past device of our homeland in every way. I know that many are nostalgic, and many remember with negative. I respect the opinions of both the first and second, for I know them as deeply decent, sincere, and honest people. So, returning to Sablin, I can assume that he also suffered from a certain functional mental disorder, and attempts to present him as a kind of misunderstood “hero” are simply cunning.
  44. andrey2015 8 November 2015 14: 14 New
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    set up foolish people. If you wanted to go down in history, you would go out alone on Red Square.
  45. Megatron 8 November 2015 14: 18 New
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    Well, I got to the desktop computer, otherwise it is difficult to write detailed answers from the phone.
    Let's now decide who to consider a traitor and who is a hero. Can the military turn weapons against civilians, by order of the authorities in peacetime? And can the army to change the current government to save the country?

    - Who, in the end, were tankers who shot the White House — people who “carried out the order”, or executioners of the Yeltsin regime, who shot unarmed and by the way legally elected people's deputies from tanks?

    - How to evaluate the actions of the army in Egypt, in the light of the recent events of the overthrow of the also elected President-Islamist Mursi? Salvation of the country of Al-Sisi, or usurpation of power by him, relying on the army?

    There was another article about such a “pseudo-hero” from Vympel who openly supported Yeltsin and boasts about it http://topwar.ru/34362-alfa-i-vympel-na-lezvii-grazhdanskoy-voyny.html #


    I’m more interested in another, why, even in the most dense and terrible 90s, none of the officers made a single attempt to raise a rebellion. This is really a mystery to me. They say that Rokhlin and Swan were going, but these are just rumors. With Kvachkov the situation is not clear either.
    1. forumow 8 November 2015 17: 00 New
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      Watching whose bell tower to watch! Something profitable. Do not look for absolute truths in social phenomena.
  46. Megatron 8 November 2015 14: 43 New
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    Yes, and the military who crossed over to Crimea immediately on the side of Russia, who do you command to consider traitors or patriots?
    They violated the order.
  47. vvv-73 8 November 2015 15: 27 New
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    Sablin I do not consider a traitor. A rebel, yes, but not a traitor. And of course a naive idealist.
  48. Just BB 8 November 2015 15: 31 New
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    “I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, entering the ranks of the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be an honest, brave, disciplined, vigilant warrior, strictly keep military and state secrets, unquestioningly comply with all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders. I swear in good faith to study military affairs, to cherish military and national property in every way and, to the last breath, to be devoted to my People, my Soviet Motherland and the Soviet Government. I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself to achieve a complete victory over enemies . If I violate this solemn oath of mine, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the workers ”


    What his actions are contrary to the oath.

    But here we are, at the time of our service in 1991, what have we done with respect to the USSR?
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      You are absolutely right.
  49. RoTTor 8 November 2015 15: 40 New
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    My deceased friend told me about the uprising on the “Watchtower” in my ear in November 1975, in Moscow, when I was returning from vacation through the capital, on the day of the uprising, the officer on duty at the Air Force communications lodge.
    Any mention of Sablin in those years was in immense trouble. Because few people knew about the uprising.
    But = ideoluh, foul drones-revisionists have classified and the world's first jet ram Ram Captain Eliseev and were silent about his exploit.
    These were impotent idololuhi.
    It is logical that under such a personnel policy, neither in the days of the GKChP nor the Bialowieza betrayal, nor the shooting of the White House, there was not a single company to shoot the traitors, and Rokhlin and Lebed, having no time to do anything, were destroyed, but they all wagged the tail with a stool ...
    Well drained the officers .... From Sablin and started
  50. evge-malyshev 8 November 2015 16: 19 New
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    What "oaths" can be discussed in 1975? There was one oath - the USSR. No CIS or any other.
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      Absolutely right.
  51. Old26 8 November 2015 16: 37 New
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    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Has anyone studied his receiver for Speedola? Stopudovo most often listened to the Air Force, “Free Europe”, “Freedom” ... Well, that’s a cold in the “draft of freedom”.

    Millions listened, and the vast majority did not "catch a cold." They listened because they often had information about events in our country that were either not mentioned at all on official channels or were mentioned in days or hours
  52. Kibl 8 November 2015 17: 04 New
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    Violated the oath, what other conversations could be! And if it would be for example an nuclear submarine with nuclear missiles, and the political officer bucked?
  53. Megatron 8 November 2015 17: 54 New
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    And then who are the Decembrists?
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    just like that, he nearly took and killed a number of conscripted sailors. the crew for him were in the form of hostages, he hoped that if there was a crew, there would be commands for destruction. hoped that he would be noticed and allowed to make a political career.
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    Sablin is a traitor. And, no matter how the current democratic mourners try to justify him, he will remain so for the vast majority of officers of the Soviet Navy. And every year, some kind of newspaper, then an Internet resource, on the day of the shameful fact in our Navy on November 8, and a whiny little article is being pressed. However, nothing justifies him. Sablin violated the oath and suffered a well-deserved punishment. By the way, the author of the article may deliberately, or even deliberately bypass some details, and even try to blame some of the officers who were arrested and supposedly allowed Sablin to seize the ship. But he does not write that his propaganda speech was supported by weapons that were captured from the ship’s arsenal. I personally did not serve in the Baltic at that time, but then there were quite a lot of details of this rebellion, down to spicy, down to battered urinals in the stern home amenities of the ship after shelling it with an airplane. And now everything is somehow smoothed and innocent. Like, Sablin isolated the commander of K2r Potulny. But in fact, he reported that in the generator’s generator’s room of the ship’s GAS the sailors were drunk, knowing the commander’s habit of understanding such emergency situations personally and locally. Where he was bullied and disconnected from the general shipboard system of the Gash "Chestnut". Not a fool and an adventurer was Sablin, but. It was as if he didn’t assume that all officers, with the exception of the senior lieutenant Firsov, who miraculously escaped to a nearby submarine, were demoted to sailors and dismissed from the ranks of the armed forces with warped fates. And in general, he was going to lead the ship to Leningrad, a very big question! At least because the distance from the Irbensky Strait to the declared point is oh, but Sweden is very close, on the contrary. He jumped into international waters and was such. Three hours to go - and you are there, in Sweden. By the way, in the initial version it was - was going to hijack a ship to Sweden. And then Leningrad appeared. Liberalistic sobs and so on began.
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    “We are singing a song to the madness of the brave! ..” But it’s a pity that shaking the brains of society at that time would not hurt.
  57. Cook 8 November 2015 21: 51 New
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    All the same, I wonder how Sablin came to the decision to commit such an act. And when? Like a hereditary sailor, he served in combat posts, and still not everyone was accepted into the military-political academy. He graduated with honors, and two years later such a turn. It turns out that before that he did not show himself in any way? It’s strange like all this.
  58. marinier 8 November 2015 23: 25 New
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    Good time mr. Yes!
    Ho4u thanks my unselfish Russissche, friend.
    Now, I’ll be better off defending my point of view.
    IN GREAT AND MAY4, TONGUE of the museums of Lydea who threw visa-digger-lycifer.
  59. Marconi41 9 November 2015 00: 29 New
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    Yes, the bastard was this political officer. In independence, no matter what the best ideas he implemented, he put the crew of the ship under attack. But he had a whole bunch of conscripts on whose minds it was easiest to influence. And what was he hoping for? If already enrolled in utopians, then lay alone!
    1. Marconi41 9 November 2015 01: 11 New
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      Yes, this political officer was a bastard

      Yes, at least get angry! I will not back down from mine. Powdered the brains of young sailors. Many of them later broke this incident and life. And what did you achieve ?! Yes, and as a political officer, he was bad, could not calculate the simplest game. What was hoping for ?! "Battleship Potemkin" seen enough? Well, in that case too, everything turned out very sadly.
  60. Fight cat 9 November 2015 12: 11 New
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    want to know my opinion here is the factual material isaburogorobei.livejournal.com/2577.html about the oath and the charter and generally betrayal!
  61. Michael S 9 November 2015 15: 11 New
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    A scoundrel with ambition is the softest definition for Sablin.
  62. Yasondinalt 9 November 2015 23: 14 New
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    , traitor and adventurer. And it is not known where he led the ship. And he set people up. .
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    Supporters of Sablin should try on this situation for the present time and decide how they would perceive the rebellion in the fleet now. After all, there are always dissatisfied with the authorities.
    And suddenly, on some ship of the fleet a communist cell will start)) and they will lock the officers in the cabins and raise the red flag on the ship)) and go to St. Petersburg))

    That's it. It is worth considering whether to admire the rebellions in the Navy in 1905, 1917, when officers were stupidly killed, and in 1975.
  64. Sanya Rus 16 November 2015 13: 41 New
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    A riot on a ship is always a riot, and a betrayal of the oath is always a betrayal, a naval officer must defend his homeland, not rebel.