Israel converts outdated Merkava-2 tanks into transport vehicles

In Israel, the alteration began for other military needs of those in reserve tanks "Merkava Mk 2", which were replaced in the troops with more modern Mk 3 and Mk 4, reports Look with reference to IHS Jane's 360.




According to the resource, the retired tanks "are planned to be converted into transport vehicles, evacuation vehicles for the wounded, and command and staff vehicles."

Military engineers have already begun reworking two tanks: one for transport needs, the second will be adapted for evacuating the wounded. "The final decision on how many cars will eventually be converted and which options have not yet been made," the newspaper writes.

According to the resource, one of the reasons for this transformation is “the ability to economically replace the old M113 armored personnel carriers that have lost their relevance in modern conditions, when militants in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon have a lot of armor-piercing missiles in their arsenal.”

Meanwhile, Israel continues to manufacture heavy armored personnel carriers “Namer”, as well as the development of a promising wheeled armored personnel carrier.
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  1. venaya 7 November 2015 10: 17 New
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    Useful initiative. And this doesn’t hurt us, otherwise we’re used to scattering popular good, and you can use it with deed.
    1. Alekseev 7 November 2015 10: 34 New
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      Quote: venaya
      Useful initiative. And this will not hurt us

      That's right!
      Hundreds of upgraded 62-k, 55-k and machines based on them must and can be delivered to Syria alone.
      But you should not get carried away with the creation of orderlies based on heavy tanks. Perhaps a few pieces are needed to evacuate the wounded in the conditions of heavy shelling.
      But the whole BTT should not and is not needed on the basis of such hippos. One diesel fuel is not enough! Not to mention the price, incl. and the price of operation.
      1. Ezhaak 7 November 2015 10: 40 New
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        Quote: Alekseev
        One diesel fuel is not enough! Not to mention the price

        Well, of course, do not forget about the resource engines!
        1. Civil 7 November 2015 11: 06 New
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          Quote: Hedgehog
          Quote: Alekseev
          One diesel fuel is not enough! Not to mention the price

          Well, of course, do not forget about the resource engines!


          Is the life of soldiers cheaper than diesel?
          1. Kyrgyz 7 November 2015 12: 04 New
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            Quote: Civil
            Is the life of soldiers cheaper than diesel?

            But will they live long on equipment with an exhausted resource and without fuel?
          2. Ezhaak 7 November 2015 12: 14 New
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            Quote: Civil
            Is the life of soldiers cheaper than diesel?

            And let's do it differently. You can take out the wounded on all-terrain vehicles such as Jeep. Is such a technique not protected? So in Carrot, a shot from an RPG can fly into the back door! And the prices for equipment are different. Your question is purely rhetorical. You could do without it.
          3. Samurai3X 7 November 2015 13: 12 New
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            We think on inertia, forgetting that the infantry Vanya, the air Vasya and the armored Petya get the victory. And they all need to be trained, armed, treated (in which case). A good soldier is a dear soldier. So the life of this soldier is extremely expensive, so the more soldiers, "grandfathers" remain in the ranks - the more combat-ready the army.
            The Israelites do the right thing, because value the lives of their soldiers. We have this concern on the sinusoid goes. They are trying to solve the problem in a loose way, so that the result is faster, then they are trying to reduce losses to a minimum. Now the situation is getting better. I don’t know what kind of bright head should be thanked at the General Staff bully
      2. 34 region 7 November 2015 12: 00 New
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        And if you leave only the case? And to change the engine and the tower, it will be cheaper for anyone to create (produce) a new tank (vehicle). Indeed, in airplanes they leave the body changing the filling. So you can’t on tanks? And so of course the master's approach to obsolete technology.
        1. Kyrgyz 7 November 2015 12: 08 New
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          Quote: 34 region
          And if you leave only the case?

          For the tank, the hull is outdated because it is not sufficiently armored and the layout is outdated, for the Bram and BMP tractors the hull is too heavy and does not fit in ergonomics, the alteration of the hull with filling is doubtful from an economic point of view, we have no complete cycle for creating equipment in Israel, they have the benefit of finalizing what we received is easier for us to do
          1. Taagad 7 November 2015 15: 18 New
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            You are not up to date. Israel has a full cycle of creating a main battle tank
            1. GSH-18 7 November 2015 18: 49 New
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              Quote: Taagad
              You are not up to date. Israel has a full cycle of creating a main battle tank

              Is it true ?? Yes, you just opened our eyes! lol
              1. Taagad 7 November 2015 18: 50 New
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                This was a response to the post of Kyrgyzstan. He did not know this.
                1. GSH-18 7 November 2015 19: 07 New
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                  Quote: Taagad
                  This was a response to the post of Kyrgyzstan. He did not know this.

                  Well, Merkava you have a good tank. Now is the "4" if I am not mistaken?
                  1. Pimply 7 November 2015 22: 55 New
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                    Quote: GSH-18
                    Well, Merkava you have a good tank. Now is the "4" if I am not mistaken?

                    Merkava Mk.4M. With KAZ which
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            3. Kyrgyz 7 November 2015 20: 14 New
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              Quote: Taagad
              You are not up to date. Israel has a full cycle of creating a main battle tank

              The engine is a US transmission, a gun under license, whose else, the tank does not get bad from this but the cycle is not complete, perhaps because it is not exported even though it is expensive to export and get a bunch of permits not the fact that it will come out. For a country of Israel’s size and ambitions, a full cycle may not be necessary if there is always something to take and whose substitute. The military-industrial complex, like the armed forces of Israel and Russia, is organized differently and the tasks are too different, therefore, the approach to the requirements for performance characteristics of equipment and the approach to modernization will always be different.
              1. Pimply 7 November 2015 22: 57 New
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                Quote: Kyrgyz
                The engine is a US transmission, a gun under license, xs whose else, the tank does not get bad from this, but the cycle is not complete

                Complete it is not such a problem. It’s just cheaper and faster to buy something abroad.
                Quote: Kyrgyz
                The military-industrial complex, like the armed forces of Israel and Russia, is organized differently and the tasks are too different, therefore, the approach to the requirements for performance characteristics of equipment and the approach to modernization will always be different.

                Exactly
                1. Kyrgyz 8 November 2015 00: 27 New
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                  Quote: Pimply
                  Complete it is not such a problem. It’s just cheaper and faster to buy something abroad.

                  Expensive, but war is always expensive, and not in a matter of days, and modern war does not give time at all.
                  I just explained Toogada what I mean by a full cycle
                  1. Pimply 8 November 2015 00: 42 New
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                    Quote: Kyrgyz
                    Expensive, but war is always expensive, and not in a matter of days, and modern war does not give time at all.
                    I just explained Toogada what I mean by a full cycle

                    Naturally, the question is where to save - you need to save, Israel has not unlimited resources, it is a country with 8 million people, and not with 142, and without special natural resources
      3. Taagad 7 November 2015 12: 09 New
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        Well, of course, a soldier’s funeral will be cheaper. And women still give birth
      4. Sorokin 7 November 2015 13: 09 New
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        From agree. But where to put cropped?
      5. stonks 7 November 2015 22: 32 New
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        I caught sight of infa (after the 2nd Lebanese) what such tow trucks would do on a remote control.
      6. Sasha 19871987 8 November 2015 16: 45 New
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        not quite a correct comparison, but they have a kind of waste-free production ...
    2. Taagad 7 November 2015 12: 55 New
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      I am very happy to transfer from my reservist M-113 to such a device
      1. Hello 7 November 2015 14: 41 New
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        Quote: Taagad
        I am very happy to transfer from my reservist M-113 to such a device

        I’m sorry, did they all seem to be written off? repeat
  2. Tor5
    Tor5 7 November 2015 10: 17 New
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    Well done, guys, it’s very typical for a nation where nothing should disappear: "Waste - to income!"
    1. AlexTires 7 November 2015 10: 33 New
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      Absolutely normal solution. In modern warfare, infantry operating in conjunction with tanks should have not only equal mobility with them, but also equal protection. The Israelis understood this first, and long ago began to remodel the T-55 and T-62 captured from the Arabs into BMP ....
      1. 33 Watcher 7 November 2015 16: 27 New
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        And the name of the heavy BMP on the basis of the T-54-55, Azharit. A masterpiece of rationalism! Well done! good
    2. victor 7 November 2015 10: 47 New
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      Well, it’s difficult for the Mediterranean to reproach non-economics.
    3. stonks 7 November 2015 22: 44 New
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      Until recently, the heavy Akhzarit armored personnel carriers (now I don’t know), converted from the captured Syrian T-54 and T-55, were in service.
      Here is from Wiki:
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%85%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82
  3. iliitchitch 7 November 2015 10: 22 New
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    Nothing will be lost in these. And how many wounded can you pack in that merkava? A mobile headquarters will be generally chic.
    1. Ezhaak 7 November 2015 10: 50 New
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      And how many wounded can you pack in that merkava?

      Not sure if more than 3-4 bedridden. Here, seated there, with excess equipment removed, up to 10 people will fit in like sprats in a bank.
      1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 11: 44 New
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        Quote: Hedgehog
        Here, seated there, with excess equipment removed, up to 10 people will fit in like sprats in a bank.

        Yes, 10 people will not fit into the merkava - not sedentary and not lying on the strength of 4, and even then in extremely uncomfortable poses and for a short time since you will not sit for long laughing
        The Merkava compartment where the ammunition lies, but in cases of absence, the "landing" can be deployed:

        This is how the "landing" sits there:

        And so they get out of it:
        1. Ezhaak 7 November 2015 12: 03 New
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          Quote: quilted jacket
          This is how the "landing" sits there:

          Everything is correct. With a turret and gun systems. With the tower removed, more space will be added. And keep in mind that such a device does not need a loader, gunner or tank commander. And this is all the place! For clarity, take away, mentally, the tower and crew and estimate the vacant seat.
          1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 12: 59 New
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            All right

            So I just misunderstood you, I meant a clean (not converted) tank.
        2. 34 region 7 November 2015 12: 04 New
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          Yes! Comfortable conditions in the heat in an iron box! request
          1. builder 7 November 2015 12: 14 New
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            Air conditioning? - no, I have not heard .....
          2. stonks 7 November 2015 22: 51 New
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            I have not heard that in Israel ANY technique was without air conditioning.
        3. GSH-18 7 November 2015 19: 00 New
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          Quote: quilted jacket
          Yes, 10 people will not fit into the merkava - not sedentary and not lying on the strength of 4, and even then in extremely uncomfortable poses and for a short time since you will not sit laughing for a long time with the “letter si”

          They will throw the engine out and on the bulls! Gap! Go! laughing Then 10 people think I can do it. lol And the infantry will mow under the drivers!
          1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 19: 07 New
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            Quote: GSH-18
            Then 10 people think I can

            Well, yes, if it’s good to “tamp”, they can lol
            Quote: GSH-18
            And the infantry will mow under the drivers!

            Yes, I don’t think the engine was taken out half of the landing force in its place; the rest are used as draft force for this “war chariot” smile
            1. GSH-18 7 November 2015 19: 13 New
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              Quote: quilted jacket
              Yes, I don’t think the engine was taken out half of the landing force in its place; the rest are used as draft force for this "war chariot" smile

              But can they put a sail there? For speed! lol
      2. gladcu2 7 November 2015 17: 58 New
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        Ezhaak

        There are places like the floor of the Zilovsky kung. If you remove the tower and drives.
    2. Taagad 7 November 2015 18: 57 New
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      4 bedridden.
      During the 2 Lebanon War, they sent me to the wounded paratroopers in the Merkava airborne squad. We come, and there everything is under mortar fire, and the wounded whole 6 pieces, however, are all light. The decision came right away: all the shells were nafig thrown away and the wounded like herring were loaded into the hold. And tick. After 20 minutes, the wounded were riding civilian ambulances across our territory, and after 30 minutes they were in the hospital. The best help to the wounded on the battlefield is to immediately evacuate to the hospital.
      1. Pimply 7 November 2015 22: 59 New
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        Quote: Taagad
        4 bedridden.
        During the 2 Lebanon War, they sent me to the wounded paratroopers in the Merkava airborne squad. We come, and there everything is under mortar fire, and the wounded whole 6 pieces, however, are all light. The decision came right away: all the shells were nafig thrown away and the wounded like herring were loaded into the hold. And tick. After 20 minutes, the wounded were riding civilian ambulances across our territory, and after 30 minutes they were in the hospital. The best help to the wounded on the battlefield is to immediately evacuate to the hospital.

        T.N. golden hour.
        1. Taagad 7 November 2015 23: 42 New
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          Pimpled, you're a scary person. You know everything ...
          1. Pimply 8 November 2015 00: 44 New
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            Quote: Taagad
            Pimpled, you're a scary person. You know everything ...

            And do not say. Oh where are you, glorious days at Baad 10
  4. Dr. Livesey 7 November 2015 10: 23 New
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    Commendable. Interestingly, the old M113 armored personnel carriers will be cut or sold somewhere?
    1. Igor39 7 November 2015 10: 27 New
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      Of course they will sell it, but if they cut it, then by all the rules of kosher and then for sale laughing
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER 7 November 2015 10: 31 New
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        They will sell to Ukraine, they will be happy.
        1. Armored optimist 7 November 2015 10: 52 New
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          On soft soils of Ukraine, this will not be a vehicle, but 70-ton sedentary targets.
          1. Bayonet 7 November 2015 11: 11 New
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            Quote: armored optimist
            On soft soils of Ukraine, this will not be a vehicle, but 70-ton sedentary targets

            Why would the M113 weigh 70 tons? You must have beguiled with Merkava? After all, the conversation was about the old M113.
            1. Armored optimist 7 November 2015 17: 23 New
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              The conversation began with this
              In Israel, alterations began for other military needs of the Merkava Mk 2 tanks in reserve, which were replaced by more modern Mk 3 and Mk 4 in the army
        2. avt
          avt 7 November 2015 10: 57 New
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          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          They will sell to Ukraine, they will be happy.

          “Carrot”? Yes, it will stand up and drown in any field in black soil after rains in autumn and spring, you will be tormented to get out of the mud. Something I have not heard so that even the US, “Intent,” seem to be accepted into service. The machine is designed specifically for their TVD with solid soils.
          1. Bayonet 7 November 2015 11: 12 New
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            Quote: avt
            ,, Carrot "? Yes, she will get up and drown in any field

            Carrot is not for sale.
            1. avt
              avt 7 November 2015 11: 22 New
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              Quote: Bayonet
              Carrot is not for sale.

              And for the good grandmother specific boys? laughing And who should sell it with such characteristics? Marshal Sisi? Assad? Or the king of Jordan?
          2. Taagad 7 November 2015 11: 55 New
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            Here on such "hard soils" Merkava rides in the Golan Heights in winter
            1. 34 region 7 November 2015 12: 08 New
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              There were already photos and debates at VO about your tanks and soils.
            2. Ezhaak 7 November 2015 15: 10 New
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              Quote: Taagad
              Here on such "hard ground" Merkava travels in winter

              And in my picture, it looks like she’s flying now, only the crew from her will put her drin.
              1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 15: 19 New
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                Quote: Hedgehog
                And in my picture, it looks like she’s flying now, only the crew from her will put her drin.

                "Sopru" and this picture in a selection on the VO-forum.
                Good?
                1. Ezhaak 7 November 2015 18: 23 New
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                  Quote: quilted jacket
                  "Sopru" and this picture to my selection

                  To health. The main thing is that everyone be happy. hi
                  1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 18: 38 New
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                    Quote: Hedgehog
                    On health.

                    Maybe look there and add something else? Only I collect exclusively Israeli there.
                    http://forum.topwar.ru/topic/907-%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BD%D1%8
                    B%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D1%8
                    1-%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9-%D0%B8%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B
                    8%D0%BB%D1%8F/?page=1
              2. Bayonet 7 November 2015 17: 39 New
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                And in my picture, it looks like she’s flying now,

                I don’t know how it will fly, but they’ll drag the dirt into the tank - don’t mourn! Or maybe there is a shift? smile
          3. Taagad 7 November 2015 11: 56 New
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            Here are some of the hard soils that the Merkava ride in the winter on the Golan Heights
            1. Good me 7 November 2015 13: 03 New
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              Quote: Taagad
              Here are some of the hard soils that the Merkava ride in the winter on the Golan Heights

              Ну И...?

              Judging by the photo, he is a KNOB ...

              Which just confirms the comment:
              Quote: avt
              “Carrot”? Yes, it will stand up and drown in any field in black soil after rains in autumn and spring, you will be tormented to get out of the mud. Something I have not heard so that even the US, “Intent,” seem to be accepted into service. The machine is designed specifically for their TVD with solid soils.
            2. Sorokin 7 November 2015 13: 25 New
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              Do not drive, but stand by yourself.
          4. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 11: 56 New
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            Quote: avt

            “Carrot”? Yes, it will stand up and drown in any field in black soil after rains in autumn and spring, you will be tormented to get out of the mud. Something I have not heard so that even the US, “Intent,” seem to be accepted into service. The machine is designed specifically for their TVD with solid soils.

            What is this? what
            1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 13: 18 New
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              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              What is this?

              And what do you call dirt? laughing
              Apparently a long time ago you left us and forgot what it really is.
              And here is Merkava in the mud:


              1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 13: 29 New
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                Quote: quilted jacket
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                What is this?

                And what do you call dirt? laughing
                Apparently a long time ago you left us and forgot what it really is.
                ]
                to throw you pictures of "teshek" drowned in mud?
                1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 13: 41 New
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                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  to throw you pictures of "teshek" drowned in mud?

                  You do not compare our mud and your desert in our mud in which drowns as you say teshes your Merkava will forever "disappear" if it even falls out of the bluelol
                  1. Per se. 7 November 2015 14: 34 New
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                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    your Merkava will forever “disappear” if it even falls out of the blue
                    Indeed, this whole show where “Carrots” bathe in the mud, having a hard bottom, is far from problems with really marshy terrain, where there is no hard bottom. Stop cunning with pictures, "Carrot" is a good tank, even a very good one, but for its region. As for the MK 2, the guys from Israel were interested in our BMPTs, if some of the MK 2 were converted to BMPTs, they would successfully supplement their heavy armored personnel carriers, some would bring infantry, others, having powerful specialized weapons, support it next to the tanks, and also cover their tanks from enemy anti-tank weapons. In the photo is the German "Royal Tiger", and the soil that "sucks".
                    1. avt
                      avt 7 November 2015 17: 21 New
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                      Quote: Per se.
                      Indeed, this whole show, where “Carrots” bathe in the mud, having a hard bottom, is far from problems with really swampy areas, where there is no hard bottom. Stop cunning with pictures, "Carrot" is a good tank, even a very good one, but for its region.

                      good It's all
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      What is this?

                      Quote: Taagad
                      Here on what solid grounds Merkava ride in the winter to the Golan heights

                      Like a tank biathlon diving into a concrete pool.
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      to throw you pictures of "teshek" drowned in mud?

                      Current in a similar situation and there will be no picture - Carrot "
                      1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 17: 47 New
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                        Quote: avt

                        Current in a similar situation and there will be no picture - Carrot "

                        and that there would not be such a tresis there is tank intelligence. Or, not knowing the ford, do not poke into the water.
                      2. Bayonet 7 November 2015 18: 00 New
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                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        Or, not knowing the ford, do not poke into the water.

                        Moreover, the specific ground pressure at Merkava 4 is quite high.
                        At T – 90 it is equal to 0.85, and at Merkava 4 - 1.12 kg / cmXNUMX.
                        By the way, Abrams is also not small - 1.07. Only Leopard 2 can compare with ours, it also has 0.85.
              2. dmikras 7 November 2015 14: 04 New
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                Please tell me, how many bridges can such a tank with us (and roads, too)?
                Thank you in advance
      2. 34 region 7 November 2015 12: 06 New
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        Not. Do not sell. Rather, they get hooked on a loan.
  5. iliitchitch 7 November 2015 10: 39 New
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    The stump is clear, this dill is pounded by dill.
    1. Taagad 7 November 2015 13: 09 New
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      We do not supply weapons to Ukraine. There is a tacit understanding with Russia on this issue. Although after deliveries of C-300 to Iran it is possible that something will be replayed
      1. Phantom Revolution 7 November 2015 14: 38 New
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        Quote: Taagad
        We do not supply weapons to Ukraine. There is a tacit understanding with Russia on this issue. Although after deliveries of C-300 to Iran it is possible that something will be replayed

        What can be replayed?) Will you supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces for free?) And what?) Alas, everything will be a little expensive for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.)
        1. gladcu2 7 November 2015 18: 14 New
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          Phantom Revolution

          There is no point pulling the Israelis. They are more an ally of the Russian Federation than a turnover.
      2. avt
        avt 7 November 2015 17: 24 New
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        . Although after deliveries of S-300 to Iran it is possible that something will be replayed

        But what will happen if they deliver Iran ?? Type from the territory of Iran, like a bull a sheep, to set up airplanes directly on the runway ???? wassat Or just the same, with impunity there will be no opportunity to stumble with the F-16 across Iran?
      3. gladcu2 7 November 2015 18: 12 New
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        Taagad

        It is unlikely that it will be replayed. You better wait with your policy. So far, the Russian Federation will agree with the United States privately. They’ve been doing this for six months now.
  6. Maksus 7 November 2015 10: 46 New
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    The Balts love such things, and 404 has already accepted the party of Saxons and ancient Hammers and has not choked. They will find someone to sell and do it right.
  • 79807420129 7 November 2015 10: 25 New
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    That's right and they do, why do good things disappear if they can still serve.
  • Eugene-Eugene 7 November 2015 10: 25 New
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    We are waiting for samples, interesting, probably, they will look like
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      Quote: Eugene-Eugene
      We are waiting for samples, interesting, probably, they will look like

      Nothing really interesting. Remove the tank tower. They put an armored pipe so that the landing does not sit at three killed, and the MTO and transmission remain unchanged. Moreover, the floor is crumpled to absorb the explosion, which further enhances mine protection, taking into account the V-shaped bottom of the Merkava. The car will be called "Ofek" - "Horizon". Armament is only a 7.62 machine gun for the machine is a clean transporter. It will be given to reserve tank brigades, which even before 2025/30 will have the Mk-2.
      1. IS-80 7 November 2015 11: 49 New
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        Nothing really interesting. Remove the tank tower. They put an armored tube so that the landing does not die in three.

        Why is it so huge? Consider the tower removed and again the tower was set only even more. smile
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Armament only machine gun 7.62

        negative
        1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 12: 16 New
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          Quote: IS-80

          Why is it so huge? Consider the tower removed and again the tower was set only even more. smile
          for the comfort of the landing. The machine is intended for the foreground, and not for the battlefield. T / e vehicle for the delivery of troops as close to the place of landing of the infantry, and not to participate in the battle. The main defense is passive armor. It’s unlikely that KAZ will bet on them.
          negative

          For self-defense is more than enough.
          1. IS-80 7 November 2015 12: 35 New
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            for the comfort of the landing

            Yes, this is understandable, but I somehow expected something like Namemer in size. As I suspect, it happened because of the installation of mine protection and also because of the desire to reduce the cost of the alteration as much as possible.
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            For self-defense is more than enough.

            In my opinion, not really. Although of course it is more logical than the same machine gun on Namer.
            1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 13: 01 New
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              Quote: IS-80

              Yes, this is understandable, but I somehow expected something like Namemer in size. As I suspect, it happened because of the installation of mine protection and also because of the desire to reduce the cost of the alteration as much as possible.
              Undoubtedly, the price of the alteration played a small role, and then I will say it again is a machine to replace the M113. Quite a decent increase in crew protection.

              In my opinion, not really. Although of course it is more logical than the same machine gun on Namer.
              because you have all the time there is confusion between the BMP and the APC. In AOI only armored personnel carriers. And Ofek, in general, the car is not of the first, but of the second tier.
              This is not even "Intent." Which by the way is armed not with 7.62, but with a mini-Samson SUM with 12.7mm. For an armored personnel carrier it is quite enough.
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                This is not even "Intent." Which by the way is armed not with 7.62, but with a mini-Samson SUM with 12.7mm.

                What is it then?
                1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 13: 38 New
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                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  What is it then?

                  Teachings. On the "Option" can optionally be set additionally and 7.62. Which is often done in exercises to preserve the DUM resource. The standard "Namer" comes with 12.7, although the MiniSamson can also be equipped with AGS.
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                    Teachings

                    That is, you want to say that Israeli soldiers do not have to learn to shoot from a 12.7 mm remotely controlled machine gun during exercises, so the "thrifty" Jews remove it for this time? laughing
                    It’s not funny for yourself?
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                      Quote: quilted jacket
                      laughing
                      It’s not funny for yourself?

                      not. Watching what teachings. There are those where they do not shoot from the DUM.
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                        Watching what teachings. There are those where they do not shoot from the DUM.

                        It is clear that Israelis are probably not given machine guns yet for exercises.
                        After all, they poor thing can accidentally get hurt by them lol
                      2. gladcu2 7 November 2015 18: 29 New
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                        Quince

                        You must appreciate the patience of your interlocutor.

                        You probably don’t know. Then YouTube will help you.

                        By the number of small arms per capita, Israel is the most armed country in the world.
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                        And isn’t Switzerland really?
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                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    There are those where they do not shoot from the DUM.

                    Hi Aronchik! You will soon come to an agreement that they don’t give cartridges, and like the Dutch soldiers, your soldiers will say: Pif, puff.
                    Although, I understand a similar replacement for weapons. And even approve. Is the resource of your DUM so small?
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                    .
                    Although, I understand a similar replacement for weapons. And even approve. Is the resource of your DUM so small?

                    hello hedgehog. Well, a resource like the normal "mini-Samson" in the world is well-quoted. And in tactical exercises it’s stupid to drag equipment that you will need to clean later.
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                You will be surprised. What to adapt for shooting from a remotely controlled machine gun a lot of time is not needed.

                It takes much more time to study the materiel and eliminate possible problems. What actually do in terms of being at the base. By way of incomplete disassembly.
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                  What to adapt for shooting from a remotely controlled machine gun a lot of time is not needed.

                  Yes, I generally wonder why else would an Israeli soldier spend this time on him, give him a simple stick, and he will start to shoot from it without preparation, tra-ta-ta-ta-aaaa fellow
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                  padded jacket

                  Shooting is not tricky. It is much more difficult to teach survival, then to shoot back.

                  In Israeli military units, cartridges are scattered on the ground mixed with small stones. A soldier 24 hours a day with a gun. When going to bed, his Gallil or M-16, with him under the covers, and unloading with 6 shops and a helmet, under the bed. A soldier walks home once a week with his personal weapon and one store of live ammunition. And leaves him not for long at home, under the supervision of his grandmother when he goes to his girlfriend.
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                  Yes, I generally wonder why else would an Israeli soldier spend this time on him, give him a simple stick, and he will start to shoot from it without preparation, tra-ta-ta-ta-aaaa

                  And I think, what the fuck are we going to the shooting range a day later? Riddle
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                  And I think, what the fuck are we going to the shooting range a day later? Riddle

                  I am also surprised at this, and you are already very good at molesting unarmed Arab children, women, and the elderly.
                  Why do you still need to train lol
    2. IS-80 7 November 2015 13: 36 New
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      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      because you have all the time there is confusion between the BMP and the APC.

      No confusion is one and the same. An armored personnel carrier that participates in a battle is an armored personnel carrier, and an armored personnel carrier that transports and does not participate in a battle is an armored personnel carrier. smile
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      And Ofek, in general, the car is not of the first, but of the second tier.

      In the event of a breakthrough of the first echelon, the second becomes the first.
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      This is not even "Intent." Which by the way is armed not with 7.62, but with a mini-Samson SUM with 12.7mm. For an armored personnel carrier it is quite enough.

      Enough for an armored troop carrier of the third echelon and then in a pair with 7,62. The first one immediately needs a 45 mm automatic cannon of a 7,62 caliber machine gun and Spike 4 pieces, and another BMOP is needed in the first echelon. On the second gun, a 45 mm machine gun 7,62 and two Spike.
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        Quote: IS-80
        In the event of a breakthrough of the first echelon, the second becomes the first.

        I think they have no such thing. it is not Russia with its echelons. If they break through, then that's it.
  • gladcu2 7 November 2015 18: 19 New
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    Most likely a mobile first-aid post. Given Israel’s defending doctrine. Short distances and a good road network. As well as a sufficient population density with its own personal transportation and good public service.
  • padded jacket 7 November 2015 11: 51 New
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    Nothing really interesting.

    Well, the "squalor", although for Israel it will work for them and not such samples run lol
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      Quote: quilted jacket

      Well, the "squalor", although for Israel it will work for them and not such samples run lol

      this no longer runs. This has long been a museum exhibit. Although in the early 80s, this machine served well.
      1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 12: 56 New
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        Although in the early 80s, this machine served well.

        Well, I don’t know, the photo is quite fresh and certainly not in the 80s.
        Is such an APC still in service?
        1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 13: 41 New
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          Quote: quilted jacket

          Well, I don’t know, the photo is quite fresh and certainly not in the 80s.
          Is such an APC still in service?

          I have never seen such miracles after 2005. By the way, for all their strangeness, these armored chambers in the conditions of the "small war" turned out to be quite effective. Now they try to use M113 only as trucks for transporting goods.
          1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 13: 46 New
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            Now they try to use M113 only as trucks for transporting goods.

            What are all six thousand pieces? belay
            1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 14: 33 New
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              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Now they try to use M113 only as trucks for transporting goods.

              What are all six thousand pieces? belay

              Do not trust the tables. Of those 6 thousand, it is good if half is left.
              1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 14: 54 New
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                Do not trust the tables. Of those 6 thousand, it is good if half is left.

                And who to believe?
                If you are in the know, give the real composition of the BTT in service with Israel.
                Now it’s too lazy to look for but you actively used M113 only a year ago in Gaza.
                1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 15: 28 New
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                  Quote: quilted jacket

                  If you are in the know, give the real composition of the BTT in service with Israel.
                  Now it’s too lazy to look for but you actively used M113 only a year ago in Gaza.

                  come on in a couple of years. We are currently undergoing a major restructuring of the NE. In general, a year ago there were 14 TB and 36 MB of personnel and reservists.
                  M113 almost did not enter Gaza except for cars with "Card".
                  1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 15: 41 New
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                    come on in a couple of years.

                    That is, you will wait when I leave here or will they leave me? lol
                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    M113 almost did not enter Gaza except for cars with "Card".

                    Come on, inventing there was a mass of BTR113 lined directly in Gaza, I can lay out.
                    And so there was a video where they entered directly into the aisles of the city.
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                    Quote: quilted jacket

                    Come on, inventing there was a mass of BTR113 lined directly in Gaza, I can lay out.
                    And so there was a video where they entered directly into the aisles of the city.

                    Well, you know better from afar.
                  3. padded jacket 7 November 2015 17: 51 New
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                    Well, you know better from afar.

                    Oh Aron, I just don’t need to tell me now how you valiantly fought off the attacks of the “special forces” of Hamas, and at the same time having destroyed most of its personnel laughing
                    How did the aggression of Israel against peaceful Gaza and the extermination of its civilian population began (M113 present in August 2014). This is where the whole essence of the Israeli leadership is visible, having heavy armored personnel carriers Namer and Arzahit on the basis of tanks, they sent soldiers virtually “to slaughter” on the ancient M113 armored personnel carriers of another 60s of release. Probably money was saved on human lives, although recently, for the leadership of Israel, a simple Jew, their prime minister, Natanyahu, justified Hitler:
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                    But what about the M-113 destroyed in Gaza? This is when the body of Oron Shaul was kidnapped.
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        Alas, Arosh, you are wrong, unfortunately ...
        My medical platoon of the tank battalion is still based on the M-113.
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          All medical bat on Zeldy.
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  • Eugene-Eugene 7 November 2015 12: 27 New
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    And it just flies?
  • Taagad 7 November 2015 11: 58 New
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    Only I think that these are "ones" redone, not "deuces." After all, the "deuces" remained in service
    1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 12: 07 New
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      Only I think that these are "ones" redone, not "deuces." After all, the "deuces" remained in service

      "Deuces." They are more than necessary for the reservists. And then, with the rearmament of the reservists on the MK-4, they are being written off all the time.
      1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 13: 11 New
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        Aron Zawi if you say such a connoisseur then why didn’t you start Merkava 1 and just send it to a landfill?
        Because the complete "G"?
        1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 13: 49 New
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          Aron Zawi if you say such a connoisseur then why didn’t you start Merkava 1 and just send it to a landfill?
          Because the complete "G"?]

          In the Mk-1, unlike the Mk-2, there was no replacement for the transmission. Therefore, its alteration today would be more expensive. There were ideas for altering the Mk-1, but at one time it was abandoned in favor of “Namer”. But recent operations in Gaza have shown that second-tier crews in a rapidly developing tunnel war are in serious danger. Therefore, there was a decision to remake the extra Mk-2.
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            In the Mk-1, unlike the Mk-2, there was no replacement for the transmission.

            It is clear that Merkava 1 is so imperfect that it is cheaper to throw it out than redo it.
            1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 14: 34 New
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              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              In the Mk-1, unlike the Mk-2, there was no replacement for the transmission.

              It is clear that Merkava 1 is so imperfect that it is cheaper to throw it out than redo it.

              Today, if there is a platform from the Mk-2, it is cheaper to throw it away.
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              It is clear that Merkava 1 is so imperfect that it is cheaper to throw it out than redo it.

              - Negro, Negro, you are Chinese!
              - No, grandma, black!
              - Negro, Negro, you are Chinese!
              - No, grandma, black!
              “Well, Negro, Negro, you are Chinese!”
              - Good grandma, Chinese!
              - And so it looks like a black man!

              Here you are a quilted jacket like that grandmother from a joke. It’s easier to answer what you want to hear. You still will not listen 8))
              1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 17: 31 New
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                Here is a quilted jacket you are like that grandmother from a joke It’s easier to answer what you want to hear

                Maybe all this is due to the fact that from some of you (for example you), except for a lie, you can’t hear anything? lol
                Although I’m already used to one word for the constant “lies” on your part - storytellers.
                1. Pimply 7 November 2015 18: 04 New
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                  Maybe all this is due to the fact that from some of you (for example you), except for a lie, you can’t hear anything?
                  Although I’m already used to one word for the constant “lies” on your part - storytellers.

                  Jacket, do not worry so. Everything will be fine 8)
                  I am especially pleased that you still put the word "lies" in quotation marks - which means you are aware of your misconceptions 8)
                  1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 18: 12 New
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                    Jacket, do not worry so. Everything will be fine

                    Everything is fine with me. smile
                    Quote: Pimply
                    It is especially pleasing that you still put the word "lies" in quotation marks - which means you are aware of your mistakes

                    What naive are you just like a child lol
                    I’m just pimply I want to use a slightly different word (stronger smile) but the site caesura will not miss it laughing
                  2. Pimply 7 November 2015 22: 40 New
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                    What naive are you just like a child
                    I’m just pimply I want to use a slightly different word (stronger), but the site’s caesure will not let him through

                    Vatnichik, well, don’t be so killed. And from that side, and from this you come in, but still nothing. Straight impotence troll 8)
                  3. padded jacket 8 November 2015 15: 48 New
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                    And from that side, and from this you come in, but still nothing.

                    Well, it’s not my fault that you’re not able to understand what to do, apparently heredity is such lol
    2. gladcu2 7 November 2015 18: 36 New
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      Quince

      Why do you think that merkava is a complete Mr.?

      For the region of use, a completely acceptable tank. With sufficient mobility.

      Read the history of Israeli wars. In Merkava, he invested the concept of using tanks according to his experience.
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        Quince

        Why do you think that merkava is a complete Mr.?

        Dear, it does not matter for her how good she is. It is important for him that Merkava is Israeli. Since she is Israeli, it’s too early for a quilted jacket. And no facts will convince him otherwise
  • Kars 7 November 2015 12: 44 New
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    And I like two in body kit)) brutally look.

    and only M60 didn’t redo the campaign, but BTR.T-55 Azharid, Centurion-Nakladon and puma.
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      and only M60 didn’t redo the campaign but the armored personnel carrier.


      A different fate awaited him
      1. Kars 7 November 2015 18: 44 New
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        A different fate awaited him

        Is Shaitan arba numerous? At least there are 50 pieces of them?

        By the way, you (the Israelis and sympathizers) may be pleased, but in my collection, the armor of the wing dangled out in second place in terms of quantitative potential.

        and the two bases still look cool sorry the academy is doing, and I can’t cope with it.
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          By the way, you (the Israelis and sympathizers) may be pleased, but in my collection, the armor of the wing dangled out in second place in terms of quantitative potential.

          Wait a minute, we’ll start to collect our shushpantsirs from photographs of 8 samples))
          I would recommend that you ask David or at waronline to ask about the early period - in my opinion, the M-60 was remade into something else.

          They are not bad, like they were selling abroad as it is
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            and you will begin to collect our shushpanzirs

            Vryatli himself, the guys are trying - there’s already a cougar, two types of padding, two types of askharida, D9 bulldozer, it’s a shame that the academy is a poor picking carrot of 2 bases and Mpghahi, but there’s no money for it. Trump I want pieces 6 T-5 in a different form. And so in the foreground Smerch
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  • Sergey333 7 November 2015 10: 26 New
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    Commendable. Interestingly, the old M113 armored personnel carriers will be cut or sold somewhere?

    Stupid question. This is the Jews and that’s it all - of course they will sell and take the price as for a new one))
    1. victor 7 November 2015 10: 53 New
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      Well, not for a new one, but for a modernized one, and deeply, with an extended engine resource - a whole 50 km without accidents! U (V) (Na) ukriyu such miracles ... Militiamen, radishes, for some reason do not buy, take away ... They laugh only - it’s immediately clear - ne uropeaci! Shame!
  • Volga Cossack 7 November 2015 10: 26 New
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    not bad. it's time to adopt the experience.
  • Mountain shooter 7 November 2015 10: 29 New
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    A commendable undertaking. Yes, and we have upgraded 72-ek not bad turned out. Sustainability is not stinginess.
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    The value of the information is only that the Israelis recognize the meaninglessness of their mega-cool “mercenaries” in modern battle conditions, when anti-tank systems can hit any modern tank (a very expensive armored colossus). The meaning of armor from absolute protection becomes quite arbitrary, so the tank loses its relevance, and acquires a heavy BMP.
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      This is the ancient Merkava-2, and not the new Merkava-4. No one touches the new ones.
  • Zaurbek 7 November 2015 10: 36 New
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    Here is an example of the rational use of old tanks. Merkava, of course, is easier to remake in the BMP than the T72. But we also need to think about it. You can’t do much at once with the T-15, but it’s quite possible to modify the old T72 / 80. They have good armor, and taking into account active armor and KAZ, you can get a good result.
    1. Bayonet 7 November 2015 11: 16 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Merkava, of course, is easier to remake in BMP than T72.

      Sure! MTO is ahead, so the stern can be redone thoroughly.
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    3. MACCABI-TLV 7 November 2015 14: 31 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Merkava, of course, is easier to remake in the BMP than the T72

      BTR
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why convert the tank into a BMP?

      BTR
      Quote: tforik
      Heavy protected infantry fighting vehicles that have armor like a tank are common in Israel

      BTR
      Quote: Zaurbek
      In a heavy, well-protected infantry fighting vehicle.

      BTR
      etc ... Well guys, you can’t. In Israel, infantry fighting vehicles for the next 10-15 years are not provided for in the concept of combined arms combat. A bunch of MBT + BTR = our all!
      1. Zaurbek 7 November 2015 15: 06 New
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        BTR with a machine gun. BMP with a module on the roof, do not carp. Nothing changes constructively here.
        1. Pimply 7 November 2015 16: 43 New
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          BTR with a machine gun. BMP with a module on the roof, do not carp. Nothing changes constructively here.

          The whole question is in the application concept
      2. Zaurbek 7 November 2015 15: 06 New
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        BTR with a machine gun. BMP with a module on the roof, do not carp. Nothing changes constructively here.
        1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 17: 26 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          BTR with a machine gun. BMP with a module on the roof, do not carp. Nothing changes constructively here.

          An infantry fighting vehicle is an infantry direct support vehicle in battle. BTR is a means of transporting infantry to the battlefield. In AOI, a tank is a means of directly supporting infantry.
      3. IS-80 7 November 2015 16: 33 New
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        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
        Well guys, you can’t. In Israel, infantry fighting vehicles for the next 10-15 years are not provided for in the concept of combined arms combat. A bunch of MBT + BTR = our all!

        This is most likely due to your savings. It is not yet possible to create a normal structure. But, as far as I remember, variants of Namer with a 30 mm cannon are tested, so there are such plans.
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        Well this is a classification issue. We call it a heavy armored vehicle. Well, the point is clear.
    4. atalef 7 November 2015 17: 58 New
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      Here is an example of the rational use of old tanks. Merkava, of course, is easier to remake in the BMP than the T72

      Ahzarit, 1988
      The Akhzarit armored personnel carrier was created on the basis of the chassis and hull of the T-54/55 tank with the turret removed.

      The power plant and transmission were replaced: the Soviet diesel engine previously installed on the T-54 / 55 was replaced by a more compact and powerful General Motors 8-cylinder diesel engine, which freed up space between the tank's right side and the engine for the corridor to the stern door, a new hydromechanical transmission "Allison".
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    And we have BZ ...
  • rotmistr60 7 November 2015 10: 52 New
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    Merkava, of course, is easier to remake in the BMP than the T72

    Why convert the tank into a BMP? The tasks performed are completely different. A tank, at best, is easier to convert into a tractor to evacuate damaged equipment from the battlefield. The Israelis are doing this so as not to dispose of the old equipment.
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      In Israel, heavy protected BMPs are common, which have armor similar to a tank. So that the soldier can be transported with impunity in the gas sector. Protected base taknka suitable for alteration perfectly!
    2. Bayonet 7 November 2015 11: 21 New
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      Why convert the tank into a BMP?

      In a heavy, well-protected infantry fighting vehicle. And why - it already depends on the assessment of the cost of living of soldiers. Some take care, others still give birth.
      1. rotmistr60 7 November 2015 11: 25 New
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        Modern anti-tank weapons don't give a damn about armor.
        it already depends on the estimate of the cost of living of soldiers.

        Do you think that the absence of armored infantry fighting vehicles with tank armor in Russia indicates a disregard for the life of a soldier?
        1. tforik 7 November 2015 11: 33 New
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          Our BMP goals are slightly different. Historically, they were created for the rapid transport of soldiers / officers along the front line of defense. With a tank breakthrough to Lomansh.
          No "Chechen" wars during the design could even come to a head. All for a global war ..
          1. rotmistr60 7 November 2015 11: 44 New
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            Initially, a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle have different tasks. An infantry fighting vehicle was created to transport a military vehicle on the battlefield and to support it with fire in the offensive or defense. And the "breakthrough to the Lamansh" has nothing to do with it.
        2. Pimply 7 November 2015 16: 45 New
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          Quote: rotmistr60
          Modern anti-tank weapons don't give a damn about armor.
          it already depends on the estimate of the cost of living of soldiers.

          Do you think that the absence of armored infantry fighting vehicles with tank armor in Russia indicates a disregard for the life of a soldier?


          Actually, I don’t give a damn.
        3. padded jacket 7 November 2015 18: 27 New
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          Quote: rotmistr60
          Does the absence of armored infantry fighting vehicles with tank armor in Russia indicate a disregard for the life of a soldier?

          It will be appropriate to recall that no army in the world except the Israeli has serial armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles based on a tank, that is, the same examples of democracy as the USA, England, France and so on do not take care of their soldiers.
          Strange huh?
          1. Pimply 7 November 2015 22: 53 New
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            It will be appropriate to recall that no army in the world except the Israeli has serial armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles based on a tank, that is, the same examples of democracy as the USA, England, France and so on do not take care of their soldiers.
            Strange huh?

            Both the United States and other armies of the world, a quilted jacket, just now have programs to develop heavy armored personnel carriers. It's just that for the majority this is not such a pressing issue as for Israel, because heavy armored personnel carriers are not the cheapest thing
            1. padded jacket 8 November 2015 15: 42 New
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              Quote: Pimply
              Both the United States and other armies of the world, a quilted jacket, just now have programs to develop heavy armored personnel carriers

              Pupyrchaty smarter could not argue? Although hardly you can lol
              The fact that heavy BMP \ APCs are currently being developed is already known to me without you - the question is that they hadn’t gone to more than one country in the world and EVERYWHERE soldiers died in light infantry fighting vehicles like AMX-10, Warrior, Bradley.
              Quote: Pimply
              It's just that for the majority this is not such a pressing issue as for Israel, because heavy armored personnel carriers are not the cheapest thing

              Well, the "nonsense" just Israel conducts exclusively punitive operations against poorly armed partisans who can not oppose it.
              And now all the wars of all sufficiently strong world powers are turning into a clash with the partisans, and therefore the development of heavy BMP \ BTR has begun.
        4. gladcu2 7 November 2015 18: 56 New
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          rotmistr60

          You can choke anything. But before you put the tank brainlessly into a hole, you need a specially NOT trained soldier.

          And there are very few of these, taking into account recruits who have good computer game experience, choosing from 3 x tank simulators. At least they are familiar with modern means of destruction of tanks and tactics of use.

          And do not be ironic. Computer games may not exactly simulate the situation and tactics of application, but steady skills and a sense of self-preservation before the damaging factors certainly give out.

          A military simulator adapted for the computer game Arma3, so it is generally primarily intended for training tactics of a regular army. USA.
          1. IS-80 7 November 2015 21: 27 New
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            And do not be ironic. Computer games may not exactly simulate the situation and tactics of application, but steady skills and a sense of self-preservation before the damaging factors certainly give out.

            But why not right away? What are you oppressing? Statist? laughing
    3. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 11: 41 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60

      Why convert the tank into a BMP? The tasks performed are completely different. A tank, at best, is easier to convert into a tractor to evacuate damaged equipment from the battlefield. The Israelis are doing this so as not to dispose of the old equipment.

      in Israel there is no BMP at all. Only armored personnel carrier. And ARMs based on the MK-2 are also starting to do. At first they wanted only on the basis of the "Namer", but in the end, with the beginning of the alterations of the Mk-2, they decided to do it on the old chassis.
      1. rotmistr60 7 November 2015 11: 47 New
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        This I asked Zaurbek his comment on the conversion of your tank into a heavy infantry fighting vehicle ..
        1. Zaurbek 7 November 2015 19: 44 New
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          Colleague, why do we need so many armored vehicles with a resource for the engine and chassis like a tank? Is the resource not large? On the occasion of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, I replied, using the T-15 as an example, the vehicle has one base, the armor is equivalent. They are distinguished by SLAs and weapons. What we need more - I do not know, like you. It is impossible to compare with Merkava, because it is partly a heavy infantry fighting vehicle and main tank. There you can transport troops. So it turns out that in AOI there is a bunch of Merkava + Namer. We have a large number of T-72-T-64 in our warehouses, and I suggested that it is reasonable that you come up with something.
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    4. Pimply 7 November 2015 16: 44 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      Why convert the tank into a BMP? The tasks performed are completely different. A tank, at best, is easier to convert into a tractor to evacuate damaged equipment from the battlefield. The Israelis are doing this so as not to dispose of the old equipment.

      In the armored personnel carrier. To be able to act on the same field with tanks
  • ALEA IACTA EST 7 November 2015 11: 16 New
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    Rational decision. good
  • 31rus 7 November 2015 11: 25 New
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    A good example, as they say "cheap and useful," but to do without crews and managed for the same purpose? Expensive? Well then, something like our demolition and demining vehicles
  • gabonskijfront 7 November 2015 11: 29 New
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    like a meal, a guy votes. He sat down and talked, it turned out that a Russian Jew came to the homeland of his ancestors. And we have a war memorial on the road, and there are BMP-1, T-72 and other equipment on pedestals. He will scream, "stop please ", jumped out, started taking pictures with equipment, sending MMS and SMS, it turned out that he served in Israel as a tanker and there the T-72 was the main tank of a likely enemy for them, but in reality he saw him for the first time. He spoke. that in Russian tanks there is some kind of aggressive grace, what a laconic beauty. Merkava is like a buffet on caterpillars, like a lump, she even speaks kindly.
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      He couldn’t see the T-72 in reality for the first time. It is exhibited at the Israeli Museum of Armored vehicles in Latrun, and there all tankers take the oath
      1. gabonskijfront 7 November 2015 12: 15 New
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        I will say even more, he did not say that Merkava was like a buffet, he simply said that she looked kind. This is a fraction of fiction, it is inevitable in any presentation of the material, if you are a creative person.
        1. Pimply 7 November 2015 16: 50 New
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          Quote: gabonskijfront
          I will say even more, he did not say that Merkava was like a buffet, he simply said that she looked kind. This is a fraction of fiction, it is inevitable in any presentation of the material, if you are a creative person.

          Fiction when working with documentary material is an extremely dangerous thing.
  • Vladimir 1964 7 November 2015 11: 33 New
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    According to the resource, the retired tanks "are planned to be converted into transport vehicles, evacuation vehicles for the wounded, and command and staff vehicles."


    The information is interesting. Dear author, they said "A", say "B", it will be interesting to get acquainted with the "alterations" in more detail. hi
    PS We look forward to continuing. yes
  • MIKHAN 7 November 2015 11: 37 New
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    Military engineers have already begun remaking two tanks: one for transport needs, the second will be adapted to evacuate the wounded.

    Well, everything is in the business ...! The USA is obliged to issue 5 lards to Israel (such a requirement) .. The army is waiting for an update! We in Syria cannot do this yet ..! They are fighting there, which is good!
    1. zennon 7 November 2015 11: 53 New
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      They are fighting there, which is good!

      Well, why. We just don’t know the supply list to Syria. Do not forget, their army is fighting almost without exception with our weapons.
  • Zaurbek 7 November 2015 14: 33 New
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    For offensive and retreat operations with a large scale, heavy BMPs are not relevant. For assault operations and colonial wars, police operations are just that. Heavy vehicles do not replace conventional BMPs and armored personnel carriers, but complement them and tanks. We need a heavy BMP some limited amount, how much the military will say. And there are a lot of Kurgan and BMP3.
  • chelovektapok 7 November 2015 17: 59 New
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    And how much will it cost to transport 100 kg. cargo on such a machine? Purely only in the solarium? As a "Jewish Jew" I ask! "Izza, where are we going? And who will pay for the tank consumption of diesel fuel on such a" transport "? Well, if you have a Gesheft for oil products, then it is not at the expense of Israel!
  • Zaurbek 7 November 2015 18: 07 New
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    You pay with the lives of boys from 18-35 years who did not burn, did not explode in a more secure car. When it comes to the use of such machines, solarium is no longer considered. And so the bus is the cheapest.
    1. padded jacket 7 November 2015 18: 20 New
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      And so the bus is the cheapest.

      Let’s recall how the Jews sent a unit to M113 from the 60s to Gaza, and this resulted in 7 (seven) corpses. probably someone from the Israeli general staff made money by not sending soldiers to the war zone on a heavy armored personnel carrier made on the basis of a tank, although they had already been armed with the Israeli army:

      Seven killed Jews on the conscience of the leadership of Israel, which throws its soldiers to almost certain death.
      1. gladcu2 7 November 2015 19: 55 New
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        Quince

        The brains of the behavior of leadership and soldiers, no army in the world has not yet been canceled. However, fatal errors, too.
    2. Orakul2000 7 November 2015 20: 32 New
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      Golden words Zaurbek !!! The lives of boys and tears of mothers and widows are worth more than any money !!!! hi soldier
  • Zaurbek 7 November 2015 19: 59 New
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    Now imagine the massive transfer of armored vehicles to another theater. Do you throw a lot of intentions? And M113 is a lot! Each technique for its own tasks! Israel now, unlike the 60-70-80s, is conducting counter-guerrilla wars in which it is openly to fight against the IDF-delirium. The main threats are landmines and round-the-range rounds from anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers. Heavy armored personnel carriers are applicable here.
    1. Aaron Zawi 7 November 2015 21: 05 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      Now imagine the massive transfer of armored vehicles to another theater. Do you throw a lot of intentions? And M113 is a lot! Each technique for its own tasks! Israel now, unlike the 60-70-80s, is conducting counter-guerrilla wars in which it is openly to fight against the IDF-delirium. The main threats are landmines and round-the-range rounds from anti-tank missiles and grenade launchers. Heavy armored personnel carriers are applicable here.

      We are being thrown on trailers. In 2006, they transferred t / d over 300 km per night. Well, so each country builds an army based on its defense concept.
      1. Zaurbek 7 November 2015 21: 27 New
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        It no longer depends on the concept but on the quantity; this is a common logistic task. The easier the technique, the easier it is to transfer it. In Dimensions and with the quality of the roads of the native Krasnodar Territory, you can also transfer anything and anywhere on trailers. In the Far East and Kamchatka, or in the EAO, it is much more difficult to do. Israel has always been famous for the ability to quickly deploy troops. But it all depends on the amount, distance and hardness of the coating. We and Ruslan are transporting two T-90s, but two may not be transported by Merkava-4.
        1. Bayonet 7 November 2015 21: 46 New
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          We and Ruslan are transporting two T-90s, but two may not be transported by Merkava-4.

          Perhaps it will not carry. The carrying capacity of Ruslan is 120 tons, and the Merkava 4 weighs 70 tons. Even with one problem - without special permission it is allowed to transport mono-cargoes weighing up to 50 tons. hi
          1. Hello 7 November 2015 23: 55 New
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            Quote: Bayonet
            Perhaps it will not carry. The carrying capacity of Ruslan is 120 tons, and the Merkava 4 weighs 70 tons. Even with one problem - without special permission it is allowed to transport mono-cargoes weighing up to 50 tons.

            The main question is where to bring her darling "Ruslan" wink
            From the Golan to Be'er Sheva? By the time you load the trailer, it will reach.
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      3. Kars 7 November 2015 21: 36 New
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        In 2006, overnight transported trains for 300 km

        You have transported even lighter tanks before.
      4. Kyrgyz 8 November 2015 00: 30 New
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        In 2006, overnight transported trains for 300 km

        We have such distances between gas stations)))
  • Kyrgyz 7 November 2015 20: 18 New
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    Why do not use armored trailers to evacuate the wounded? And it’s easier to book and they are cheap and you can hook at least to tanks, even to BMPs, even to armored personnel carriers, and the capacity is good