New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes

Diesel-electric submarines built for the Navy are planned to be equipped with anti-torpedo systems, reports Flotprom with reference to the general director of the Admiralty Shipyards Alexander Buzakov.

“It is planned. The boat must protect itself. ”- said Buzakov, without going into details.

Now self-defense submarine can be carried out only at the expense of their own maneuverability. “For example, the Lyra submarine of the 705 project created specifically for dueling situations possessed such characteristics of agility and maneuverability that allowed it to reach the 41 node speed from a stationary state in just a minute, and turn to 180 degrees in just 40 seconds,” tells the publication.

According to FlotProm, today "the anti-torpedo protection complex is implemented only in the version for surface ships with the launch of X-NUMX-mm torpedo tubes." This complex is called “Package - E / NK”. It allows you to neutralize the torpedo threat at a distance of 324 km from the side of the ship.

“Antitompedoes of the“ Package - E / NK ”complex are positioned underwater with the help of a program specified by the ship equipment, and when approaching a torpedo-target, they are induced using an active-passive acoustic homing system. The antitorpeda is capable of reaching speeds up to 50 km / h and carrying warheads up to 80 kg in TNT equivalent, ”the portal reports citing specialists.

Russian experts believe that the introduction of anti-torpedoes into the armament of submarines will significantly increase the effectiveness of their self-defense, as well as raise the export potential of diesel-electric submarines.

Comments

[Magic archer]

It is strange to compare a diesel submarine with an atomic one! Lyra's speed record has not yet been broken! But at such a speed the boat rattles so that it can be heard for many kilometers!

[Civil]

The eternal competition of spears and shields))

[Derex]

It’s worthless, I’m finding it, I’ve figured out how to outwit this system at a distance of 2 km; a torpedo cuts down all the electronics and includes correction and a pass

[rudolff]

Yeah, but at the same time cut down the engine so that the screws do not rustle! Bravo!

[Mountain shooter]

When you have already been shot, it is too late to "trick", you have to skedaddle, dodging shots in the back on the run. You can calm down later, when you come off. It is clear that the speed of 41 knots (and according to some reports, as much as 43!) Does not contribute to stealth. But torpedoes will not "catch up" with such a boat. The power reserve is not enough, even if their speed is slightly higher. Especially at depths, where steam-gas torpedoes lose power, and battery torpedoes did not boast of a range at high speeds.

[Magic archer]

But you are mistaken in the speed of torpedoes, Dear. The English have long been armed with a Spearfish torpedo, which has about 50 nodes. The Americans also have something similar. By the way, they appeared exactly in response to our Lear.

[Eugene-Eugene]

When to wait for the 4 season, Ragnar Lodbrok?

[Kathernik]

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On March they promised ....

[Nick]

Quote: Magic Archer

But you are mistaken in the speed of torpedoes, Dear. The English have long been armed with a Spearfish torpedo, which has about 50 nodes. The Americans also have something similar. By the way, they appeared exactly in response to our Lear.

The difference in speed is negligible, in addition, Lyra had outstanding maneuverability characteristics, and the range of the submarines is not comparable with the range of torpedoes. A torpedo will need about twenty minutes to catch a submarine. During this time, she must cover a distance of 30 km. I do not think that high-speed torpedoes have such a power reserve.

[Anton Gavrilov]

For reference, the maximum speed of modern enemy torpedoes is ok ~ 60 nodes and higher, here no boat maneuvers in speed from it.

Moreover, ask yourself a simple logical question - what is easier to do? A torpedo with a speed of 60-70 nodes, or a submarine with the same speed? The answer seems obvious here.

That's why the means of self-defense of modern boats have become so relevant. And anti-torpedoes are a very necessary thing.

[Nick]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

For reference, the maximum speed of modern enemy torpedoes is ok ~ 60 nodes and higher, here no boat maneuvers in speed from it.

For reference - The lyre project was developed even 50 years ago. when torpedoes with a speed of 100 km / h were unheard of

[kote119]

The lyre is not the fastest, the most 661, etc. Anchar, at the present time both are utilized.

[Tor5]

If the effectiveness of such equipment will be confirmed in practical tests - why not? After all, this will more likely protect the crew from a torpedo attack.

[dauria]

Lyra's speed record is still not broken

Not this way. The record belongs to the project "Anchar" K-162. Series 705 "Lyra" amazing small torpedo boats with a reactor with a metal circuit. Very fast, but the record is not behind them.
And they stopped making them not because of noise, but because of problems with reactors. (Or rather, they simply ruined an excellent series in Gorbachev)

[smoke break]

The 705s were unique submarines. Like many Soviet developments ("Caspian monster", "Buran", etc.) were ahead of their time and at the end of the Union, unfortunately they were not saved.

[Nick]

Quote: Magic Archer

It is strange to compare a diesel submarine with an atomic one! Lyra's speed record has not yet been broken! But at such a speed the boat rattles so that it can be heard for many kilometers!

The author does not compare two boats, but gives an example of the protection of submarines from anti-submarine weapons with the help of high maneuverability and underwater speed. Read carefully

[Amurets]

The "Golden Fish" record of the Project 661 nuclear submarine has not been broken. The first boat with a titanium hull and an occasional launch of cruise missiles. The submarine speed is 44,7 knots, 3.7 knots higher than the Lyra project 705

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Amurets

Underwater speed - 44,7 knots

Large diving depths are preferable to speed. At 44,7 knots, the submarine will be very audible, it will be able to hit anti-submarine aircraft, you won’t get away from helicopters and planes.
But the great depth of immersion increases the stealth of submarines, the deeper the better.

[NordUral]

When you dodge a torpedo, it’s not fundamental.

[Observer2014]

"New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes"
Here is another way for you to secure the "calibers" hidden in the depths of the waters around the perimeter of Russia. "Partner adversaries" let them scratch their turnips with their "disarming first blow"

[vkl-47]

some kind of underwater "curtain"

[bronik]

But is it not dangerous for the submarine itself? I am not special in these matters.

[Maxom75]

not dangerous, the question is how it will work

[Nymp]

The toothier our fish, the worse for the fat NATO whales!

[rotmistr60]

“Planned. The boat must protect itself, ”said Buzakov, without going into details

While it is planned, it means that work on these weapons for submarines is underway. If conducted, then there will be a result.

[venaya]

The submarine of Project 705 "Lyra", created in the USSR specifically for dueling situations, possessed such characteristics of dynamism and maneuverability that allowed her to develop a speed of 41 knots

Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!
If the boat is under water, then it should behave quietly, not provocatively, and as they notice, then they will cover it right away, and no anti-torpedoes will help, there will not be enough power of resistance.

[Armored optimist]

Quote: venaya

Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!

Well, in combination with the technologies of Lada and Varshavyanka, it will also be very effective anti-torpedoes.

[gispanec]

Quote: armored optimist

Well, in combination with the technologies of Lada and Varshavyanka it will be very effective.

for submarines, speed and stealth are not compatible in the near future !!

[rudolff]

Compatible. To a certain level. No wonder the term appeared: the maximum low-noise move. And this indicator is growing from generation to generation.

[gispanec]

Quote: rudolff

And this indicator is growing from generation to generation.

from 3 knots to 6 ??)) ... don’t tell my horseshoes ... speed ..hm..et like a lyre .... 41 ..

[rudolff]

SiWolfe, Virginia, Ash are already well above six knots. Progress, however. With each new generation, the maximum low-noise (silent) stroke increases. First, due to auxiliary (thrusters) electric motors, then the transition to full electric movement without the use of a turbo gear unit with a reduction gear. Sometime in the future, maximum low noise will approach maximum underwater.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: rudolff

SiWolfe, Virginia, Ash are already well above six knots. Progress, however. With each new generation, the maximum low-noise (silent) stroke increases. First, due to auxiliary (thrusters) electric motors, then the transition to full electric movement without the use of a turbo gear unit with a reduction gear. Sometime in the future, maximum low noise will approach maximum underwater.

But what about the noise of the flow of water? No matter how advanced the rubber coating of the submarine is, at 30 knots the noise of the incoming flow is very high.

[rudolff]

Well ... Well, you really bent it! Up to 30 knots of maximum low noise (silent) as to a distant city in an interesting pose. Of course, the noise will be like from a locomotive; no one has yet canceled the laws of hydrodynamics. Maybe they will solve the problem over time. Coating on the basis of new materials, frameless design ... Who knows.

[Eugene-Eugene]

So she had to go out at high speeds, when she was already noticed and attacked, was she then confused by the noiselessness and secrecy?

[iliitchitch]

Diesel-electric submarines - this is what "partners" (a stupid word, by the way, in this situation), lagged behind us forever. This is a NATO nightmare. And we have a lot of them, and there will be even more.

[kote119]

our opponents with a dap are all right, and in many ways better

[iliitchitch]

"Partners" is America, the cat. There is no diesel-electric submarine at all, but in vain they did so, and therefore wrote that they lagged behind us forever. All the rest are clients, not partners.

[ssergn]

And did it make you feel better?

[roskot]

There is no limit to perfection. Especially if it is a powerful Russian mind.

[shinobi]

Asymmetric response to feed you, NATO partners!

[Resistance]

Those. for more than 40 years we have been told that this is the blackest hole that cannot be found in principle! And suddenly - anti-torpedoes. And how many shove them? 2nd or 4th? And for these you need to find a place.
The Indians put 36 Italian "120 by 120" (120 cm by 120 mm) on the same boats on the side. This is for 9 volleys, in a volley of 4 pieces.
Adversary on nuclear boats puts 96 of the same (16 volleys of 6 pcs.) This is the approach.

[archi.sailor]

Quote: venaya

The submarine of Project 705 "Lyra", created in the USSR specifically for dueling situations, possessed such characteristics of dynamism and maneuverability that allowed her to develop a speed of 41 knots
Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!
If the boat is under water, then it should behave quietly, not provocatively, and as they notice, then they will cover it right away, and no anti-torpedoes will help, there will not be enough power of resistance.

but I would not say that the machines (705 project) were very noisy boats

[Mountain shooter]

Torpedoes - the development of homing torpedoes in the near future - the only way to save. Torpedoes are getting smarter, hunting in packs, coordinating actions among themselves (at short distances, about 200 m), which greatly increases the likelihood of defeat. But torpedoes are audible, and small (relatively) anti-torpedoes can go to intercept them. Something like active protection of tanks, adjusted for Wednesday.

[NEXUS]

It’s a good and necessary thing. In a submarine that can protect itself, efficiency will increase, which means that for the same Okhotniki (I’m talking about submarines), work will increase. Let's see what happens.

[Monster_Fat]

The "package" is too bulky for diesel submarines and has little ammunition.

[JD1979]

Quote: sanya.vorodis

50 knots? Reaching ... And the Shkval's speed is 200 knots ...

A flurry of rapidly floating uncontrolled logs, unlike normal torpedoes.

[NEXUS]

Quote: JD1979

A flurry of rapidly floating uncontrolled logs, unlike normal torpedoes.

Try to dodge such a "log"

[Marconi41]

Quote: NEXUS

Try to dodge such a "log"

And what is the difficulty? The acoustics of a surface ship are guaranteed to detect a shot not just like a Flurry, but even a simple torpedo. Deviation of even 120 degrees will allow this ship to remain outside the limits of defeat. After all, the Flurry after the shot is no longer controlled, so the shooting is conducted ahead of the course. Nobody will let the boat into the slaughter distance, and shooting from a distance of 10 miles will no longer be effective. It would be different, then squalls on all boats would stand.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Marconi41

The acoustics of a surface ship are guaranteed to detect a shot not just like a Flurry, but even a simple torpedo.

And the submarine will also easily dodge the Shkval in a submerged position?

[family tree]

Quote: Marconi41

Nobody will let the boat into slaughter distance,

Yes, who told you that? Nuclear-powered vehicles make noise, diesel engines on batteries, with low-noise screws ...
Although, like nuclear powered ships, they slept together, they straightened each other, inertness, you can’t argue against physics.
And the "Shkval", but they poured it along the way, was not needed, it hit the TV.
This, as in air defense, is an unguided projectile, and then, suddenly, a rocket, with a homing head, and with a higher speed, 3-4 degrees, and that’s all.
On the C-75, 11d, with sharp maneuvering, they broke, it happened, so, after all, the first pancake. So here, since the best air defense was done, what makes it difficult to make anti-aircraft defense, the environment is denser, al the speed is more modest

[nemets]

but this "log" is guaranteed to destroy if the distance to the target does not exceed 12 km

[lecturer]

Well, I’m not wilting, but I’m driving a joke:

War at sea. The captain calls the boatswain:
- Hey, Vasilich, a torpedo is coming at us! Go calm the guys down there!
Vasilievich goes to the middle of the ship and yells:
-Hey lads! All come here! We bet that forehead is like a bang on the deck - the ship will split in two !!!
all: - Dan, do not drive, Vasilich, it does not happen!
The boatswain takes, swings and forehead on the deck of balls!
A deafening roar, the ship is falling apart, debris is flying, rattle, everyone is floundering ...
... who didn’t drown, they find themselves, they see - the captain is floating on the mast, yelling at the boom: Vasilich !!! !!! The torpedo passed by !!!!!!

[Samarin]

and also raise the export potential of diesel-electric submarines.

Well this is the most important thing!

[family tree]

As a chance, extreme
Actually, to fight, this is how it should be, hit and quietly, downstairs "to the girls, to Vladivostok "

[Lt. Air Force stock]

U.S. submarines now do not have rocket torpedoes in service, but only Mk-48 torpedoes (UUM-44 SUBROC was withdrawn from service in the early 90s), a torpedo takes 50 minutes for 30 kilometers, so they won’t launch from that range, but they’ll try to approach our submarine for 10-20 kilometers. Here our anti-torpedoes will come in handy.

[Resistance]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

U.S. submarines now do not have rocket torpedoes in service, but only Mk-48 torpedoes (UUM-44 SUBROC was withdrawn from service in the early 90s), a torpedo takes 50 minutes for 30 kilometers, so they won’t launch from that range, but they’ll try to approach our submarine for 10-20 kilometers. Here our anti-torpedoes will come in handy.

The enemy is forbidden to come closer to the double detection distance of our complexes, i.e. it is not always possible to get it with these "anti-torpedoes", the main weapon.
At the same time, for the 48th, cable shooting with d = 50 km is implied. At a low noise speed of 30 knots (and even a water cannon), it is brought to the target, for a min distance the inclusion of the active path and the attack at 55 knots. There are a few seconds to shoot GPA: o (

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Persistence

At a low noise speed of 30 knots (and even a water cannon), it is brought to the target, for a min distance the inclusion of the active path and the attack at 55 knots. There are a few seconds to shoot GPA: o (

An underwater target running at a speed of 30 knots, even with a water cannon, is hardly difficult to detect.

Quote: Persistence

at the same time, for the 48th, cable shooting with d = 50 km is implied.

No one will launch a torpedo from the maximum distance since, an enemy submarine can already get out of the radius of destruction while the torpedo is reaching the target, and at 30 knots the so-called low-noise speed, a torpedo will overcome 50 kilometers in 1 hour (30 knots = 55,56 km / h).

Quote: Persistence

The enemy is forbidden to come closer to the double detection distance of our complexes, i.e. it is not always possible to get it with these "anti-torpedoes", the main weapon.

Do they know the detection distance of our hydrophones and sonars? In the history of the Russian submarine fleet, there are many examples when our submarines collided with the American ones, therefore the Americans came close to us.
These anti-torpedoes are not for the enemy submarines in the first place, but against the enemy torpedoes.
For the enemy’s submarine there is a caliber rocket torpedo with a range of 50 kilometers and a speed of 2,5 Mach (in addition there is also RPK-7 Wind with a range of 100 kilometers for 650 mm torpedo tubes).

[Lecha57]

- There is no submarine, if "Shkval" suddenly saw something there.

[Old26]

Quote: Observer2014

"New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes" Here is another way to secure the "calibers" hidden in the depths of the waters along the perimeter of Russia. "Partner adversaries" let them scratch their turnips with their "disarming first blow"

I read and wonder. Well, that’s all, they’ll distribute absolutely the whole range of weapons on the project boat 636. And “Caliber”, and “Flurry”, and now also want to put anti-torpedoes. But on the boat there are only six torpedo tubes. How many are trying to push there. Give me the opportunity and "mace" with "Blue put. And no one wondered what caliber anti-torpedo 324 mm? Where are they going to shoot. And how many of them are going to put on the boat. And how much this will reduce the ammunition of the boat. She will become not a boat, but a hz than. There will be “every creature in pairs” on it, and the combat potential is zero ...
What’s the use of putting anti-torpedoes on a diesel engine, when even atomic ones are not anti-torpedoes, but means of sonar countermeasures, that is, “torpedo-traps”. Moreover, in the amount of about 6-8 and are not launched through TA

[kote119]

would be able to put more +, would put

[leon1204id]

The most reasonable approach, finally, is, in the future, various small-sized robots solving problems not only for protecting nuclear submarines or diesel-electric submarines. For whom it is interesting: "Popular mechanics" from 22.06.2009.
But about the new diesel-electric submarines "Kalina" (with air-independent power plants) ... Big question:
http://news.rambler.ru/head/31858186/
Wait and see.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: leon1204id

But about the new diesel-electric submarines "Kalina" (with air-independent power plants) ... Big question:

Frets need to be built, not dreamed up by the fifth generation of diesel submarines (Kalina is the 5th generation), they will not be in metal very soon.