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New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes

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Diesel-electric submarines built for the Navy are planned to be equipped with anti-torpedo systems, reports Flotprom with reference to the general director of the Admiralty Shipyards Alexander Buzakov.




“It is planned. The boat must protect itself. ”- said Buzakov, without going into details.

Now self-defense submarine can be carried out only at the expense of their own maneuverability. “For example, the Lyra submarine of the 705 project created specifically for dueling situations possessed such characteristics of agility and maneuverability that allowed it to reach the 41 node speed from a stationary state in just a minute, and turn to 180 degrees in just 40 seconds,” tells the publication.

According to FlotProm, today "the anti-torpedo protection complex is implemented only in the version for surface ships with the launch of X-NUMX-mm torpedo tubes." This complex is called “Package - E / NK”. It allows you to neutralize the torpedo threat at a distance of 324 km from the side of the ship.

“Antitompedoes of the“ Package - E / NK ”complex are positioned underwater with the help of a program specified by the ship equipment, and when approaching a torpedo-target, they are induced using an active-passive acoustic homing system. The antitorpeda is capable of reaching speeds up to 50 km / h and carrying warheads up to 80 kg in TNT equivalent, ”the portal reports citing specialists.

Russian experts believe that the introduction of anti-torpedoes into the armament of submarines will significantly increase the effectiveness of their self-defense, as well as raise the export potential of diesel-electric submarines.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 7 November 2015 09: 08 New
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    It is strange to compare a diesel submarine with an atomic one! Lyra's speed record has not yet been broken! But at such a speed the boat rattles so that it can be heard for many kilometers!
    1. Civil
      Civil 7 November 2015 09: 09 New
      +7
      The eternal competition of spears and shields))
      1. Derex
        Derex 7 November 2015 17: 19 New
        0
        It’s worthless, I’m finding it, I’ve figured out how to outwit this system at a distance of 2 km; a torpedo cuts down all the electronics and includes correction and a pass
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 7 November 2015 17: 42 New
          +2
          Yeah, but at the same time cut down the engine so that the screws do not rustle! Bravo!
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 7 November 2015 09: 48 New
      23
      Когда по тебе уже выстрелили, поздно "тихариться", драпать надо, уклоняясь на бегу от выстрелов в спину. Затишиться можно будет потом, когда оторвёшься. Понятно, что скорость 41 узел ( а по некоторым сообщениям, целых 43!) не способствует скрытности. Но торпеды такую лодку "не догонят". Запаса хода не хватит, даже если у них скорость чуть выше. Особенно на глубине, где парогазовые торпеды теряют мощность, а аккумуляторные запасом хода на высоких скоростях и не хвастались.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 7 November 2015 10: 02 New
        +4
        But you are mistaken in the speed of torpedoes, Dear. The English have long been armed with a Spearfish torpedo, which has about 50 nodes. The Americans also have something similar. By the way, they appeared exactly in response to our Lear.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 7 November 2015 10: 38 New
          0
          When to wait for the 4 season, Ragnar Lodbrok? laughing
          1. Kathernik
            Kathernik 7 November 2015 11: 49 New
            +2
            -
            On March they promised ....
        2. Nick
          Nick 7 November 2015 12: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Magic Archer
          But you are mistaken in the speed of torpedoes, Dear. The English have long been armed with a Spearfish torpedo, which has about 50 nodes. The Americans also have something similar. By the way, they appeared exactly in response to our Lear.

          The difference in speed is negligible, in addition, Lyra had outstanding maneuverability characteristics, and the range of the submarines is not comparable with the range of torpedoes. A torpedo will need about twenty minutes to catch a submarine. During this time, she must cover a distance of 30 km. I do not think that high-speed torpedoes have such a power reserve.
      2. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 7 November 2015 14: 06 New
        +1
        For reference, the maximum speed of modern enemy torpedoes is ok ~ 60 nodes and higher, here no boat maneuvers in speed from it.

        Moreover, ask yourself a simple logical question - what is easier to do? A torpedo with a speed of 60-70 nodes, or a submarine with the same speed? The answer seems obvious here.

        That's why the means of self-defense of modern boats have become so relevant. And anti-torpedoes are a very necessary thing.
        1. Nick
          Nick 7 November 2015 23: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Anton Gavrilov
          For reference, the maximum speed of modern enemy torpedoes is ok ~ 60 nodes and higher, here no boat maneuvers in speed from it.

          For reference - The lyre project was developed even 50 years ago. when torpedoes with a speed of 100 km / h were unheard of
    3. kote119
      kote119 7 November 2015 10: 00 New
      12
      The lyre is not the fastest, the most 661, etc. Anchar, at the present time both are utilized.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 7 November 2015 10: 23 New
      +1
      If the effectiveness of such equipment will be confirmed in practical tests - why not? After all, this will more likely protect the crew from a torpedo attack.
    5. dauria
      dauria 7 November 2015 11: 36 New
      +5
      Lyra's speed record is still not broken


      Не так. Рекорд принадлежит проекту "Анчар" К-162. Серия 705 "Лира" удивительные небольшие торпедные лодки с реактором с металлическим контуром. Очень быстрые, но рекорд не за ними.
      And they stopped making them not because of noise, but because of problems with reactors. (Or rather, they simply ruined an excellent series in Gorbachev)
      1. smoke break
        smoke break 7 November 2015 12: 10 New
        +6
        705-е были уникальными подводными лодками. Как и многие советские разработки ("каспийский монстр", "буран" и др.) опередили время и на закате Союза, к сожалению не были сохранены.
    6. Nick
      Nick 7 November 2015 12: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      It is strange to compare a diesel submarine with an atomic one! Lyra's speed record has not yet been broken! But at such a speed the boat rattles so that it can be heard for many kilometers!

      The author does not compare two boats, but gives an example of the protection of submarines from anti-submarine weapons with the help of high maneuverability and underwater speed. Read carefully hi
    7. Amurets
      Amurets 7 November 2015 15: 21 New
      0
      Не побит рекорд "Золотой рыбки"АПЛ 661проекта.Первой лодки с титановым корпусом и поводным стартом крылатых ракет.Скорость подводнная-44,7 узлов,на 3.7 узла скорость выше чем у "Лиры"проект705
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 16: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        Underwater speed - 44,7 knots

        Large diving depths are preferable to speed. At 44,7 knots, the submarine will be very audible, it will be able to hit anti-submarine aircraft, you won’t get away from helicopters and planes.
        But the great depth of immersion increases the stealth of submarines, the deeper the better.
    8. NordUral
      NordUral 7 November 2015 18: 02 New
      0
      When you dodge a torpedo, it’s not fundamental.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 November 2015 09: 08 New
    +4
    "Новые ДЭПЛ оснастят антиторпедами"
    Вот вам ещё один способ обезопасить "калибры" спрятанные в глубинах вод по периметру России."Партнёристые супостаты" пусть репу чешут со своим" обезоруживающим первым ударом"
  3. vkl-47
    vkl-47 7 November 2015 09: 09 New
    +1
    некая подводная ""штора""
  4. bronik
    bronik 7 November 2015 09: 10 New
    0
    But is it not dangerous for the submarine itself? I am not special in these matters.
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    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 7 November 2015 09: 16 New
      +1
      not dangerous, the question is how it will work
  5. Nymp
    Nymp 7 November 2015 09: 12 New
    +2
    The toothier our fish, the worse for the fat NATO whales!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2015 09: 13 New
    +2
    “Planned. The boat must protect itself, ”said Buzakov, without going into details

    While it is planned, it means that work on these weapons for submarines is underway. If conducted, then there will be a result.
  7. venaya
    venaya 7 November 2015 09: 25 New
    0
    созданная в СССР специально для дуэльных ситуаций подлодка проекта 705 "Лира" обладала такими характеристиками динамичности и манёвренности, которые позволяли ей развивать скорость 41 узел

    Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!
    If the boat is under water, then it should behave quietly, not provocatively, and as they notice, then they will cover it right away, and no anti-torpedoes will help, there will not be enough power of resistance.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 7 November 2015 09: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: venaya
      Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!

      Well, in combination with the technologies of Lada and Varshavyanka, it will also be very effective anti-torpedoes.
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 7 November 2015 09: 40 New
        0
        Quote: armored optimist
        Well, in combination with the technologies of Lada and Varshavyanka it will be very effective.

        for submarines, speed and stealth are not compatible in the near future !!
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 7 November 2015 09: 53 New
          +4
          Compatible. To a certain level. No wonder the term appeared: the maximum low-noise move. And this indicator is growing from generation to generation.
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 7 November 2015 16: 30 New
            0
            Quote: rudolff
            And this indicator is growing from generation to generation.

            from 3 knots to 6 ??)) ... don’t tell my horseshoes ... speed ..hm..et like a lyre .... 41 ..
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 7 November 2015 17: 03 New
              +1
              SiWolfe, Virginia, Ash are already well above six knots. Progress, however. With each new generation, the maximum low-noise (silent) stroke increases. First, due to auxiliary (thrusters) electric motors, then the transition to full electric movement without the use of a turbo gear unit with a reduction gear. Sometime in the future, maximum low noise will approach maximum underwater.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 17: 36 New
                0
                Quote: rudolff
                SiWolfe, Virginia, Ash are already well above six knots. Progress, however. With each new generation, the maximum low-noise (silent) stroke increases. First, due to auxiliary (thrusters) electric motors, then the transition to full electric movement without the use of a turbo gear unit with a reduction gear. Sometime in the future, maximum low noise will approach maximum underwater.

                But what about the noise of the flow of water? No matter how advanced the rubber coating of the submarine is, at 30 knots the noise of the incoming flow is very high.
                1. rudolff
                  rudolff 7 November 2015 17: 53 New
                  +2
                  Well ... Well, you really bent it! Up to 30 knots of maximum low noise (silent) as to a distant city in an interesting pose. Of course, the noise will be like from a locomotive; no one has yet canceled the laws of hydrodynamics. Maybe they will solve the problem over time. Coating on the basis of new materials, frameless design ... Who knows.
    2. Eugene-Eugene
      Eugene-Eugene 7 November 2015 10: 41 New
      +2
      So she had to go out at high speeds, when she was already noticed and attacked, was she then confused by the noiselessness and secrecy?
  8. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 November 2015 09: 34 New
    -3
    ДЭПЛ - это то , в чём "партнёры"(дурацкое слово , кстати , в данной ситуации) , отстали от нас навсегда . Это кошмар нато . И у нас их много , а будет ещё больше .
    1. kote119
      kote119 7 November 2015 10: 04 New
      +6
      our opponents with a dap are all right, and in many ways better
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 7 November 2015 15: 34 New
        0
        "Партнёры" - это америка , у кот. ДЭПЛ нет вообще , а зря они так сделали , потому и написал , что отстали они от нас навсегда . Все остальные - клиенты , не партнёры .
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 7 November 2015 23: 07 New
          0
          And did it make you feel better?
  9. roskot
    roskot 7 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +1
    There is no limit to perfection. Especially if it is a powerful Russian mind.
  10. shinobi
    shinobi 7 November 2015 09: 42 New
    0
    Asymmetric response to feed you, NATO partners!
  11. Resistance
    Resistance 7 November 2015 09: 45 New
    -1
    Those. for more than 40 years we have been told that this is the blackest hole that cannot be found in principle! And suddenly - anti-torpedoes. And how many shove them? 2nd or 4th? And for these you need to find a place.
    Индийцы на эти же лодки ставят 36 итальянских "120 на 120" (120 см на 120 мм) побортно. Это на 9 залпов, в залпе 4-е шт.
    Adversary on nuclear boats puts 96 of the same (16 volleys of 6 pcs.) This is the approach.
  12. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 7 November 2015 09: 45 New
    +4
    Quote: venaya
    созданная в СССР специально для дуэльных ситуаций подлодка проекта 705 "Лира" обладала такими характеристиками динамичности и манёвренности, которые позволяли ей развивать скорость 41 узел
    Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!
    If the boat is under water, then it should behave quietly, not provocatively, and as they notice, then they will cover it right away, and no anti-torpedoes will help, there will not be enough power of resistance.

    but I would not say that the machines (705 project) were very noisy boats hi
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 November 2015 09: 54 New
    +3
    Torpedoes - the development of homing torpedoes in the near future - the only way to save. Torpedoes are getting smarter, hunting in packs, coordinating actions among themselves (at short distances, about 200 m), which greatly increases the likelihood of defeat. But torpedoes are audible, and small (relatively) anti-torpedoes can go to intercept them. Something like active protection of tanks, adjusted for Wednesday.
  14. NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 November 2015 09: 56 New
    +3
    It’s a good and necessary thing. In a submarine that can protect itself, efficiency will increase, which means that for the same Okhotniki (I’m talking about submarines), work will increase. Let's see what happens. good
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 7 November 2015 10: 49 New
    -1
    "Пакет" слишком громоздок для дизельных подводных лодок и имеет малый боезапас.
  16. JD1979
    JD1979 7 November 2015 11: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    50 узлов? Достижение... А скорость "Шквала" - 200 узлов... repeat

    A flurry of rapidly floating uncontrolled logs, unlike normal torpedoes.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 November 2015 12: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: JD1979
      A flurry of rapidly floating uncontrolled logs, unlike normal torpedoes.

      Попробуйте увернуться от такого "бревна" hi
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 7 November 2015 12: 38 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        Попробуйте увернуться от такого "бревна"

        And what is the difficulty? The acoustics of a surface ship are guaranteed to detect a shot not just like a Flurry, but even a simple torpedo. Deviation of even 120 degrees will allow this ship to remain outside the limits of defeat. After all, the Flurry after the shot is no longer controlled, so the shooting is conducted ahead of the course. Nobody will let the boat into the slaughter distance, and shooting from a distance of 10 miles will no longer be effective. It would be different, then squalls on all boats would stand.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 November 2015 12: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Marconi41
          The acoustics of a surface ship are guaranteed to detect a shot not just like a Flurry, but even a simple torpedo.

          А ПЛ тоже легко увернется в подводном положении от "Шквала"?м.
        2. family tree
          family tree 7 November 2015 13: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Marconi41
          Nobody will let the boat into slaughter distance,

          Yes, who told you that? Nuclear-powered vehicles make noise, diesel engines on batteries, with low-noise screws ... what
          Although, like nuclear powered ships, they slept together, they straightened each other, inertness, you can’t argue against physics.
          А "Шквал", да слили его по ходу, не надобен стал, в телевизор попал.
          This, as in air defense, is an unguided projectile, and then, suddenly, a rocket, with a homing head, and with a higher speed, 3-4 degrees, and that’s all.
          On the C-75, 11d, with sharp maneuvering, they broke, it happened, so, after all, the first pancake. So here, since the best air defense was done, what makes it difficult to make anti-aircraft defense, the environment is denser, al the speed is more modest what
    2. nemets
      nemets 7 November 2015 22: 56 New
      0
      зато это "бревно" гарантированно уничтожает если расстояние до цели не превышает 12 км
  17. lecturer
    lecturer 7 November 2015 11: 09 New
    +4
    Well, I’m not wilting, but I’m driving a joke:
    War at sea. The captain calls the boatswain:
    - Hey, Vasilich, a torpedo is coming at us! Go calm the guys down there!
    Vasilievich goes to the middle of the ship and yells:
    -Hey lads! All come here! We bet that forehead is like a bang on the deck - the ship will split in two !!!
    all: - Dan, do not drive, Vasilich, it does not happen!
    The boatswain takes, swings and forehead on the deck of balls!
    A deafening roar, the ship is falling apart, debris is flying, rattle, everyone is floundering ...
    ... who didn’t drown, they find themselves, they see - the captain is floating on the mast, yelling at the boom: Vasilich !!! !!! The torpedo passed by !!!!!!
  18. Samarin
    Samarin 7 November 2015 11: 19 New
    +2
    and also raise the export potential of diesel-electric submarines.

    Well this is the most important thing!
  19. family tree
    family tree 7 November 2015 11: 19 New
    +6
    As a chance, extreme what
    Вообще то воевать, вот так надо, вдарил и тихонько, низом "к девкам, во Владивосток belay " wassat
  20. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 15: 01 New
    0
    U.S. submarines now do not have rocket torpedoes in service, but only Mk-48 torpedoes (UUM-44 SUBROC was withdrawn from service in the early 90s), a torpedo takes 50 minutes for 30 kilometers, so they won’t launch from that range, but they’ll try to approach our submarine for 10-20 kilometers. Here our anti-torpedoes will come in handy.
  21. Resistance
    Resistance 7 November 2015 15: 20 New
    -2
    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    U.S. submarines now do not have rocket torpedoes in service, but only Mk-48 torpedoes (UUM-44 SUBROC was withdrawn from service in the early 90s), a torpedo takes 50 minutes for 30 kilometers, so they won’t launch from that range, but they’ll try to approach our submarine for 10-20 kilometers. Here our anti-torpedoes will come in handy.


    Противнику запрещено подходить ближе двойной дистанции обнаружения нашими комплексами, т.е. его не то что этими "антиторпедами", основным оружием не всегда достанешь.
    At the same time, for the 48th, cable shooting with d = 50 km is implied. At a low noise speed of 30 knots (and even a water cannon), it is brought to the target, for a min distance the inclusion of the active path and the attack at 55 knots. There are a few seconds to shoot GPA: o (
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 15: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Persistence
      At a low noise speed of 30 knots (and even a water cannon), it is brought to the target, for a min distance the inclusion of the active path and the attack at 55 knots. There are a few seconds to shoot GPA: o (

      An underwater target running at a speed of 30 knots, even with a water cannon, is hardly difficult to detect.
      Quote: Persistence
      at the same time, for the 48th, cable shooting with d = 50 km is implied.

      No one will launch a torpedo from the maximum distance since, an enemy submarine can already get out of the radius of destruction while the torpedo is reaching the target, and at 30 knots the so-called low-noise speed, a torpedo will overcome 50 kilometers in 1 hour (30 knots = 55,56 km / h).
      Quote: Persistence
      Противнику запрещено подходить ближе двойной дистанции обнаружения нашими комплексами, т.е. его не то что этими "антиторпедами", основным оружием не всегда достанешь.

      Do they know the detection distance of our hydrophones and sonars? In the history of the Russian submarine fleet, there are many examples when our submarines collided with the American ones, therefore the Americans came close to us.
      These anti-torpedoes are not for the enemy submarines in the first place, but against the enemy torpedoes.
      For the enemy’s submarine there is a caliber rocket torpedo with a range of 50 kilometers and a speed of 2,5 Mach (in addition there is also RPK-7 Wind with a range of 100 kilometers for 650 mm torpedo tubes).
  22. Lecha57
    Lecha57 7 November 2015 15: 46 New
    +1
    - Нет подлодки, если "Шквал", вдруг увидел что то там.
  23. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2015 20: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    "Новые ДЭПЛ оснастят антиторпедами"Вот вам ещё один способ обезопасить "калибры" спрятанные в глубинах вод по периметру России."Партнёристые супостаты" пусть репу чешут со своим" обезоруживающим первым ударом"

    I read and wonder. Well, that’s all, they’ll distribute absolutely the whole range of weapons on the project boat 636. And “Caliber”, and “Flurry”, and now also want to put anti-torpedoes. But on the boat there are only six torpedo tubes. How many are trying to push there. Give me the opportunity and "mace" with "Blue put. And no one wondered what caliber anti-torpedo 324 mm? Where are they going to shoot. And how many of them are going to put on the boat. And how much this will reduce the ammunition of the boat. She will become not a boat, but a hz than. There will be “every creature in pairs” on it, and the combat potential is zero ...
    What’s the use of putting anti-torpedoes on a diesel engine, when even atomic ones are not anti-torpedoes, but means of sonar countermeasures, that is, “torpedo-traps”. Moreover, in the amount of about 6-8 and are not launched through TA
    1. kote119
      kote119 7 November 2015 21: 05 New
      0
      would be able to put more +, would put
  24. leon1204id
    leon1204id 7 November 2015 20: 36 New
    +1
    Самый разумный подход,наконец то,это в перспективе различные малогабаритные роботы решающие задачи не только по охране АПЛ или ДЭПЛ. Кому интересно:"Популярная механика" от 22.06.2009.
    А вот насчет новых ДЭПЛ "Калина" (с воздухонезависимыми силовыми установками)... Большой вопрос:
    http://news.rambler.ru/head/31858186/
    Wait and see. winked
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 22: 00 New
      0
      Quote: leon1204id
      А вот насчет новых ДЭПЛ "Калина" (с воздухонезависимыми силовыми установками)... Большой вопрос:

      Frets need to be built, not dreamed up by the fifth generation of diesel submarines (Kalina is the 5th generation), they will not be in metal very soon.