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New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes

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Diesel-electric submarines built for the Navy are planned to be equipped with anti-torpedo systems, reports Flotprom with reference to the general director of the Admiralty Shipyards Alexander Buzakov.




“It is planned. The boat must protect itself. ”- said Buzakov, without going into details.

Now self-defense submarine can be carried out only at the expense of their own maneuverability. “For example, the Lyra submarine of the 705 project created specifically for dueling situations possessed such characteristics of agility and maneuverability that allowed it to reach the 41 node speed from a stationary state in just a minute, and turn to 180 degrees in just 40 seconds,” tells the publication.

According to FlotProm, today "the anti-torpedo protection complex is implemented only in the version for surface ships with the launch of X-NUMX-mm torpedo tubes." This complex is called “Package - E / NK”. It allows you to neutralize the torpedo threat at a distance of 324 km from the side of the ship.

“Antitompedoes of the“ Package - E / NK ”complex are positioned underwater with the help of a program specified by the ship equipment, and when approaching a torpedo-target, they are induced using an active-passive acoustic homing system. The antitorpeda is capable of reaching speeds up to 50 km / h and carrying warheads up to 80 kg in TNT equivalent, ”the portal reports citing specialists.

Russian experts believe that the introduction of anti-torpedoes into the armament of submarines will significantly increase the effectiveness of their self-defense, as well as raise the export potential of diesel-electric submarines.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 7 November 2015 09: 08 New
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    It is strange to compare a diesel submarine with an atomic one! Lyra's speed record has not yet been broken! But at such a speed the boat rattles so that it can be heard for many kilometers!
    1. Civil
      Civil 7 November 2015 09: 09 New
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      The eternal competition of spears and shields))
      1. Derex
        Derex 7 November 2015 17: 19 New
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        It’s worthless, I’m finding it, I’ve figured out how to outwit this system at a distance of 2 km; a torpedo cuts down all the electronics and includes correction and a pass
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 7 November 2015 17: 42 New
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          Yeah, but at the same time cut down the engine so that the screws do not rustle! Bravo!
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 7 November 2015 09: 48 New
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      When you have already been shot at, it’s too late to “go quiet,” you have to drape, dodging shots in the back on the run. It will be possible to calm down later, when you come off. It is clear that the speed of 41 knots (and according to some reports, as many as 43!) Does not contribute to stealth. But torpedoes "will not catch up with such a boat." The power reserve is not enough, even if they have a slightly higher speed. Especially at a depth where combined-cycle torpedoes lose power and the battery does not boast of a power reserve at high speeds.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 7 November 2015 10: 02 New
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        But you are mistaken in the speed of torpedoes, Dear. The English have long been armed with a Spearfish torpedo, which has about 50 nodes. The Americans also have something similar. By the way, they appeared exactly in response to our Lear.
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 7 November 2015 10: 38 New
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          When to wait for the 4 season, Ragnar Lodbrok? laughing
          1. Kathernik
            Kathernik 7 November 2015 11: 49 New
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            On March they promised ....
        2. Nick
          Nick 7 November 2015 12: 17 New
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          Quote: Magic Archer
          But you are mistaken in the speed of torpedoes, Dear. The English have long been armed with a Spearfish torpedo, which has about 50 nodes. The Americans also have something similar. By the way, they appeared exactly in response to our Lear.

          The difference in speed is negligible, in addition, Lyra had outstanding maneuverability characteristics, and the range of the submarines is not comparable with the range of torpedoes. A torpedo will need about twenty minutes to catch a submarine. During this time, she must cover a distance of 30 km. I do not think that high-speed torpedoes have such a power reserve.
      2. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 7 November 2015 14: 06 New
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        For reference, the maximum speed of modern enemy torpedoes is ok ~ 60 nodes and higher, here no boat maneuvers in speed from it.

        Moreover, ask yourself a simple logical question - what is easier to do? A torpedo with a speed of 60-70 nodes, or a submarine with the same speed? The answer seems obvious here.

        That's why the means of self-defense of modern boats have become so relevant. And anti-torpedoes are a very necessary thing.
        1. Nick
          Nick 7 November 2015 23: 52 New
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          Quote: Anton Gavrilov
          For reference, the maximum speed of modern enemy torpedoes is ok ~ 60 nodes and higher, here no boat maneuvers in speed from it.

          For reference - The lyre project was developed even 50 years ago. when torpedoes with a speed of 100 km / h were unheard of
    3. kote119
      kote119 7 November 2015 10: 00 New
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      The lyre is not the fastest, the most 661, etc. Anchar, at the present time both are utilized.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 7 November 2015 10: 23 New
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      If the effectiveness of such equipment will be confirmed in practical tests - why not? After all, this will more likely protect the crew from a torpedo attack.
    5. dauria
      dauria 7 November 2015 11: 36 New
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      Lyra's speed record is still not broken


      Not this way. The record belongs to the Anchar K-162 project. Series 705 Lira is an amazing small torpedo boat with a metal loop reactor. Very fast, but the record is not for them.
      And they stopped making them not because of noise, but because of problems with reactors. (Or rather, they simply ruined an excellent series in Gorbachev)
      1. smoke break
        smoke break 7 November 2015 12: 10 New
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        The 705s were unique submarines. Like many Soviet developments (the "Caspian monster", "snowstorm", etc.) ahead of time at sunset of the Union, unfortunately they were not saved.
    6. Nick
      Nick 7 November 2015 12: 06 New
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      Quote: Magic Archer
      It is strange to compare a diesel submarine with an atomic one! Lyra's speed record has not yet been broken! But at such a speed the boat rattles so that it can be heard for many kilometers!

      The author does not compare two boats, but gives an example of the protection of submarines from anti-submarine weapons with the help of high maneuverability and underwater speed. Read carefully hi
    7. Amurets
      Amurets 7 November 2015 15: 21 New
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      The record of the Zolotaya Rybka nuclear submarine 661project was not broken. The first boat with a titanium hull and the launch of cruise missiles. The submarine speed is 44,7 knots, 3.7 knots faster than the Lira project705
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 16: 29 New
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        Quote: Amurets
        Underwater speed - 44,7 knots

        Large diving depths are preferable to speed. At 44,7 knots, the submarine will be very audible, it will be able to hit anti-submarine aircraft, you won’t get away from helicopters and planes.
        But the great depth of immersion increases the stealth of submarines, the deeper the better.
    8. NordUral
      NordUral 7 November 2015 18: 02 New
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      When you dodge a torpedo, it’s not fundamental.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 7 November 2015 09: 08 New
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    "New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes"
    Here is another way to protect the “caliber” hidden in the depths of the waters around the perimeter of Russia. “Partner adversaries” let the turnips scratch with their “disarming first strike”
  3. vkl-47
    vkl-47 7 November 2015 09: 09 New
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    some underwater "" curtain ""
  4. bronik
    bronik 7 November 2015 09: 10 New
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    But is it not dangerous for the submarine itself? I am not special in these matters.
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    2. Maxom75
      Maxom75 7 November 2015 09: 16 New
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      not dangerous, the question is how it will work
  5. Nymp
    Nymp 7 November 2015 09: 12 New
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    The toothier our fish, the worse for the fat NATO whales!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2015 09: 13 New
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    “Planned. The boat must protect itself, ”said Buzakov, without going into details

    While it is planned, it means that work on these weapons for submarines is underway. If conducted, then there will be a result.
  7. venaya
    venaya 7 November 2015 09: 25 New
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    the submarine of project 705 Lira, created especially for dueling situations in the USSR, possessed such dynamism and maneuverability characteristics that enabled it to reach a speed of 41 knots

    Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!
    If the boat is under water, then it should behave quietly, not provocatively, and as they notice, then they will cover it right away, and no anti-torpedoes will help, there will not be enough power of resistance.
    1. Armored optimist
      Armored optimist 7 November 2015 09: 28 New
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      Quote: venaya
      Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!

      Well, in combination with the technologies of Lada and Varshavyanka, it will also be very effective anti-torpedoes.
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 7 November 2015 09: 40 New
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        Quote: armored optimist
        Well, in combination with the technologies of Lada and Varshavyanka it will be very effective.

        for submarines, speed and stealth are not compatible in the near future !!
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 7 November 2015 09: 53 New
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          Compatible. To a certain level. No wonder the term appeared: the maximum low-noise move. And this indicator is growing from generation to generation.
          1. gispanec
            gispanec 7 November 2015 16: 30 New
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            Quote: rudolff
            And this indicator is growing from generation to generation.

            from 3 knots to 6 ??)) ... don’t tell my horseshoes ... speed ..hm..et like a lyre .... 41 ..
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 7 November 2015 17: 03 New
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              SiWolfe, Virginia, Ash are already well above six knots. Progress, however. With each new generation, the maximum low-noise (silent) stroke increases. First, due to auxiliary (thrusters) electric motors, then the transition to full electric movement without the use of a turbo gear unit with a reduction gear. Sometime in the future, maximum low noise will approach maximum underwater.
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 17: 36 New
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                Quote: rudolff
                SiWolfe, Virginia, Ash are already well above six knots. Progress, however. With each new generation, the maximum low-noise (silent) stroke increases. First, due to auxiliary (thrusters) electric motors, then the transition to full electric movement without the use of a turbo gear unit with a reduction gear. Sometime in the future, maximum low noise will approach maximum underwater.

                But what about the noise of the flow of water? No matter how advanced the rubber coating of the submarine is, at 30 knots the noise of the incoming flow is very high.
                1. rudolff
                  rudolff 7 November 2015 17: 53 New
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                  Well ... Well, you really bent it! Up to 30 knots of maximum low noise (silent) as to a distant city in an interesting pose. Of course, the noise will be like from a locomotive; no one has yet canceled the laws of hydrodynamics. Maybe they will solve the problem over time. Coating on the basis of new materials, frameless design ... Who knows.
    2. Eugene-Eugene
      Eugene-Eugene 7 November 2015 10: 41 New
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      So she had to go out at high speeds, when she was already noticed and attacked, was she then confused by the noiselessness and secrecy?
  8. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 November 2015 09: 34 New
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    DEPL - this is what the "partners" (stupid word, by the way, in this situation), lagged behind us forever. This is a NATO nightmare. And we have a lot of them, and there will be even more.
    1. kote119
      kote119 7 November 2015 10: 04 New
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      our opponents with a dap are all right, and in many ways better
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 7 November 2015 15: 34 New
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        "Partners" is America, the cat. DEPL is not at all, but in vain they did so, and therefore wrote that they lagged behind us forever. All the rest are customers, not partners.
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 7 November 2015 23: 07 New
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          And did it make you feel better?
  9. roskot
    roskot 7 November 2015 09: 39 New
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    There is no limit to perfection. Especially if it is a powerful Russian mind.
  10. shinobi
    shinobi 7 November 2015 09: 42 New
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    Asymmetric response to feed you, NATO partners!
  11. Resistance
    Resistance 7 November 2015 09: 45 New
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    Those. for more than 40 years we have been told that this is the blackest hole that cannot be found in principle! And suddenly - anti-torpedoes. And how many shove them? 2nd or 4th? And for these you need to find a place.
    The Indians put 36 Italian “120 by 120” (120 cm by 120 mm) outboard on the same boats. This is for 9 volleys, in a volley of 4 pieces.
    Adversary on nuclear boats puts 96 of the same (16 volleys of 6 pcs.) This is the approach.
  12. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 7 November 2015 09: 45 New
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    Quote: venaya
    the submarine of project 705 Lira, created especially for dueling situations in the USSR, possessed such dynamism and maneuverability characteristics that enabled it to reach a speed of 41 knots
    Just the noise from this boat, across the ocean!
    If the boat is under water, then it should behave quietly, not provocatively, and as they notice, then they will cover it right away, and no anti-torpedoes will help, there will not be enough power of resistance.

    but I would not say that the machines (705 project) were very noisy boats hi
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 November 2015 09: 54 New
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    Torpedoes - the development of homing torpedoes in the near future - the only way to save. Torpedoes are getting smarter, hunting in packs, coordinating actions among themselves (at short distances, about 200 m), which greatly increases the likelihood of defeat. But torpedoes are audible, and small (relatively) anti-torpedoes can go to intercept them. Something like active protection of tanks, adjusted for Wednesday.
  14. NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 November 2015 09: 56 New
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    It’s a good and necessary thing. In a submarine that can protect itself, efficiency will increase, which means that for the same Okhotniki (I’m talking about submarines), work will increase. Let's see what happens. good
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 7 November 2015 10: 49 New
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    The "package" is too bulky for diesel submarines and has small ammunition.
  16. JD1979
    JD1979 7 November 2015 11: 01 New
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    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    50 knots? Achievement ... And the speed of the Flurry is 200 knots ... repeat

    A flurry of rapidly floating uncontrolled logs, unlike normal torpedoes.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 November 2015 12: 15 New
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      Quote: JD1979
      A flurry of rapidly floating uncontrolled logs, unlike normal torpedoes.

      Try to dodge such a "log" hi
      1. Marconi41
        Marconi41 7 November 2015 12: 38 New
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        Quote: NEXUS
        Try to dodge such a "log"

        And what is the difficulty? The acoustics of a surface ship are guaranteed to detect a shot not just like a Flurry, but even a simple torpedo. Deviation of even 120 degrees will allow this ship to remain outside the limits of defeat. After all, the Flurry after the shot is no longer controlled, so the shooting is conducted ahead of the course. Nobody will let the boat into the slaughter distance, and shooting from a distance of 10 miles will no longer be effective. It would be different, then squalls on all boats would stand.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 November 2015 12: 42 New
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          Quote: Marconi41
          The acoustics of a surface ship are guaranteed to detect a shot not just like a Flurry, but even a simple torpedo.

          And the submarine, too, easily dodges underwater from the “Flurry"? M.
        2. family tree
          family tree 7 November 2015 13: 20 New
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          Quote: Marconi41
          Nobody will let the boat into slaughter distance,

          Yes, who told you that? Nuclear-powered vehicles make noise, diesel engines on batteries, with low-noise screws ... what
          Although, like nuclear powered ships, they slept together, they straightened each other, inertness, you can’t argue against physics.
          But “Flurry”, but leaked it along the way, didn’t need it, it hit the TV.
          This, as in air defense, is an unguided projectile, and then, suddenly, a rocket, with a homing head, and with a higher speed, 3-4 degrees, and that’s all.
          On the C-75, 11d, with sharp maneuvering, they broke, it happened, so, after all, the first pancake. So here, since the best air defense was done, what makes it difficult to make anti-aircraft defense, the environment is denser, al the speed is more modest what
    2. nemets
      nemets 7 November 2015 22: 56 New
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      but this "log" is guaranteed to destroy if the distance to the target does not exceed 12 km
  17. lecturer
    lecturer 7 November 2015 11: 09 New
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    Well, I’m not wilting, but I’m driving a joke:
    War at sea. The captain calls the boatswain:
    - Hey, Vasilich, a torpedo is coming at us! Go calm the guys down there!
    Vasilievich goes to the middle of the ship and yells:
    -Hey lads! All come here! We bet that forehead is like a bang on the deck - the ship will split in two !!!
    all: - Dan, do not drive, Vasilich, it does not happen!
    The boatswain takes, swings and forehead on the deck of balls!
    A deafening roar, the ship is falling apart, debris is flying, rattle, everyone is floundering ...
    ... who didn’t drown, they find themselves, they see - the captain is floating on the mast, yelling at the boom: Vasilich !!! !!! The torpedo passed by !!!!!!
  18. Samarin
    Samarin 7 November 2015 11: 19 New
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    and also raise the export potential of diesel-electric submarines.

    Well this is the most important thing!
  19. family tree
    family tree 7 November 2015 11: 19 New
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    As a chance, extreme what
    In general, to fight, like that, I kicked and quietly down to the girls in Vladivostok belay " wassat
  20. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 15: 01 New
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    U.S. submarines now do not have rocket torpedoes in service, but only Mk-48 torpedoes (UUM-44 SUBROC was withdrawn from service in the early 90s), a torpedo takes 50 minutes for 30 kilometers, so they won’t launch from that range, but they’ll try to approach our submarine for 10-20 kilometers. Here our anti-torpedoes will come in handy.
  21. Resistance
    Resistance 7 November 2015 15: 20 New
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    Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
    U.S. submarines now do not have rocket torpedoes in service, but only Mk-48 torpedoes (UUM-44 SUBROC was withdrawn from service in the early 90s), a torpedo takes 50 minutes for 30 kilometers, so they won’t launch from that range, but they’ll try to approach our submarine for 10-20 kilometers. Here our anti-torpedoes will come in handy.


    The enemy is forbidden to come closer than the double detection distance by our complexes, i.e. it’s not like these “anti-torpedoes”, the main weapon you can’t always get.
    At the same time, for the 48th, cable shooting with d = 50 km is implied. At a low noise speed of 30 knots (and even a water cannon), it is brought to the target, for a min distance the inclusion of the active path and the attack at 55 knots. There are a few seconds to shoot GPA: o (
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 15: 56 New
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      Quote: Persistence
      At a low noise speed of 30 knots (and even a water cannon), it is brought to the target, for a min distance the inclusion of the active path and the attack at 55 knots. There are a few seconds to shoot GPA: o (

      An underwater target running at a speed of 30 knots, even with a water cannon, is hardly difficult to detect.
      Quote: Persistence
      at the same time, for the 48th, cable shooting with d = 50 km is implied.

      No one will launch a torpedo from the maximum distance since, an enemy submarine can already get out of the radius of destruction while the torpedo is reaching the target, and at 30 knots the so-called low-noise speed, a torpedo will overcome 50 kilometers in 1 hour (30 knots = 55,56 km / h).
      Quote: Persistence
      The enemy is forbidden to come closer than the double detection distance by our complexes, i.e. it’s not like these “anti-torpedoes”, the main weapon you can’t always get.

      Do they know the detection distance of our hydrophones and sonars? In the history of the Russian submarine fleet, there are many examples when our submarines collided with the American ones, therefore the Americans came close to us.
      These anti-torpedoes are not for the enemy submarines in the first place, but against the enemy torpedoes.
      For the enemy’s submarine there is a caliber rocket torpedo with a range of 50 kilometers and a speed of 2,5 Mach (in addition there is also RPK-7 Wind with a range of 100 kilometers for 650 mm torpedo tubes).
  22. Lecha57
    Lecha57 7 November 2015 15: 46 New
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    - There is no submarine, if "Flurry", I suddenly saw something there.
  23. Old26
    Old26 7 November 2015 20: 09 New
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    Quote: Observer2014
    “New diesel-electric submarines will be equipped with anti-torpedoes” Here’s another way to secure “calibers” hidden in the depths of the waters around the perimeter of Russia. “Partnership adversaries” let the turnips scratch with their “disarming first strike”

    I read and wonder. Well, that’s all, they’ll distribute absolutely the whole range of weapons on the project boat 636. And “Caliber”, and “Flurry”, and now also want to put anti-torpedoes. But on the boat there are only six torpedo tubes. How many are trying to push there. Give me the opportunity and "mace" with "Blue put. And no one wondered what caliber anti-torpedo 324 mm? Where are they going to shoot. And how many of them are going to put on the boat. And how much this will reduce the ammunition of the boat. She will become not a boat, but a hz than. There will be “every creature in pairs” on it, and the combat potential is zero ...
    What’s the use of putting anti-torpedoes on a diesel engine, when even atomic ones are not anti-torpedoes, but means of sonar countermeasures, that is, “torpedo-traps”. Moreover, in the amount of about 6-8 and are not launched through TA
    1. kote119
      kote119 7 November 2015 21: 05 New
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      would be able to put more +, would put
  24. leon1204id
    leon1204id 7 November 2015 20: 36 New
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    The most reasonable approach, finally, is in the long run various small-sized robots solving problems not only for protecting nuclear submarines or diesel-electric submarines. Who cares: "Popular Mechanics" from 22.06.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX.
    And as for the new Kalina diesel-electric submarines (with air-independent power units) ... The big question is:
    http://news.rambler.ru/head/31858186/
    Wait and see. winked
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 7 November 2015 22: 00 New
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      Quote: leon1204id
      And as for the new Kalina diesel-electric submarines (with air-independent power units) ... The big question is:

      Frets need to be built, not dreamed up by the fifth generation of diesel submarines (Kalina is the 5th generation), they will not be in metal very soon.