Bolsheviks saved the Russian civilization

Bolsheviks saved the Russian civilization

Every year on November 7 in Russia is a memorable date - the Day of the October Revolution 1917 of the year. Until 1991, 7 November was the main holiday of the USSR and was called the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution.


Throughout the existence of the Soviet Union (celebrated since 1918), November 7 was a “red calendar day”, that is, a public holiday. On this day, demonstrations of workers and military parades were held on Red Square in Moscow, as well as in the regional and regional centers of the USSR. The last military parade on Red Square in Moscow to commemorate the anniversary of the October Revolution was held in 1990 year. The celebration of November 7 as one of the most important public holidays was preserved in Russia until 2004, while from 1992, only one day was considered as a holiday - November 7 (in the USSR November was considered a holiday).

In 1995, the Day of Military Glory was established - the Day of the military parade on Red Square in Moscow to mark the twenty-fourth anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution (1941 year). In 1996, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation “in order to mitigate opposition and reconciliation of various segments of Russian society” was renamed the Day of Accord and Reconciliation. Since 2005, due to the establishment of a new national holiday - National Unity Day - November 7 has ceased to be a day off.

November 7 ceased to be a holiday, but was included in the list of memorable dates. Indeed, this day cannot be crossed out. stories Russia, since the uprising in Petrograd 25 — October 26 (7 — 8 November in a new style) led not only to the overthrow of the bourgeois Provisional Government, but also predetermined all further development of both Russia and all of humanity.

It must be remembered that by the fall of 1917, the liberal-bourgeois Provisional Government - the “Februaryists” who destroyed the Russian empire (although for some reason they like to call the Bolsheviks the culprits of this event) brought the Russian civilization and statehood to the brink of disaster. Not only national margins, but also regions within Russia themselves, such as Cossack autonomies, refused from the Russian state. The meager number of nationalists claimed power in Kiev and Little Russia. An autonomous government appeared in Siberia. The armed forces collapsed long before the Bolshevik coup and could not continue fighting. The army and navy from the pillars of order themselves have become sources of distemper and anarchy. The soldiers deserted thousands, carried off weapon (including machine guns and guns!). The front was falling apart, and the German army was no one to stop. Russia could not fulfill its duty to the Allies on the Entente. Finance and economics were disorganized, a single economic space was falling apart. Problems began with the supply of cities, harbingers of famine. The government, during the Russian Empire, began to conduct surplus transactions (again, the Bolsheviks were then accused of them).

The peasants saw that there was no power! For the peasants, the power was the anointed of God - the king and his support - the army. They began to self-seize the land and "revenge", manor estates burned hundreds. External open enemies and former "partners" began the division and seizure of Russian territories. At the same time, England, France and the United States claimed the most tasty morsels. In particular, the Americans with the help of Czechoslovak bayonets planned to stake out virtually all of Siberia and the Far East. The interim government, instead of proposing a goal, a program, and rescue a power by active and decisive action, postponed the decision of fundamental issues until the Constituent Assembly was convened.

It was a disaster! Russia in front of her eyes ceased to exist, turning into an ethnographic territory that they were going to “master” and completely solve the “Russian question”.

The country was covered by a wave of chaos, both controlled and spontaneous. Autocracy, which was the core of the empire, was crushed by the inner “fifth column”. "Fevralistami" - the great princes, degenerated aristocracy, generals, masons, Duma leaders, liberals, bankers and industrialists. In exchange, the inhabitants of the empire received "freedom." People felt free from all taxes, duties and laws. The Provisional Government, whose policies were determined by leaders of the liberal and left-wing sense, could not establish a viable order, moreover, their actions deepened chaos. It turned out that the figures oriented to the west (most of them were masons who obeyed the “elder brothers” from the West) continued to destroy Russia. In words, everything was beautiful and smooth, in fact - they were destroyers or “impotent” people who could only speak beautifully. Suffice it to recall the "democratization" of the army during the war (Order No. 1).

Liberal Democratic Petrograd de facto lost control of the country. The further power of the liberals led to the collapse of Russia into specific princedoms, with a mass of “independent” presidents, hetmans, atamans, khans and princes with their own talking parliaments, micro-armies and the administrative apparatus. All of these “states” inevitably fell under the authority of external forces — Britain, France, the USA, Japan, Turkey, etc. At the same time, many neighbors dug in on Russian lands. In particular, the Finnish radicals dreamed of "Great Finland" with the inclusion of Russian Karelia, the Kola Peninsula, and, with luck, lands up to the Northern Urals. Russian civilization and the people were threatened with complete destruction and disappearance from history.

However, there was a force that could take power and offer the people a viable project. These were the Bolsheviks. Until the summer of 1917, they were not considered a serious political force, yielding in popularity and strength to the cadets and the Social Revolutionaries. But by the fall of 1917, their popularity had grown. Their program was clear and understandable to the masses. The power in this period could take virtually any force that showed political will. This force became the Bolsheviks.

In August 1917, the Bolsheviks headed for an armed uprising and a socialist revolution. This happened at the VI Congress of the RSDLP (b). However, then the Bolshevik party was actually in the underground. The most revolutionary regiments of the Petrograd garrison were disbanded, and workers sympathizing with the Bolsheviks were disarmed. The opportunity to recreate armed structures appeared only during the Kornilov revolt. The plan for the uprising in the capital had to be postponed. Only 10 (23) October 1917. The Central Committee adopted a resolution on the preparation of an uprising. The 16 (29) of October, an enlarged meeting of the Central Committee, in which representatives of the districts took part, confirmed the earlier decision.

12 (25) in October 1917 of the year, the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee was established to defend the revolution from the “openly preparing attack of the military and civilian Kornilov” on the initiative of Petrograd Chairman of the Council of the Soviet Union Lev Trotsky. Not only the Bolsheviks, but also some left-wing Social Revolutionaries and anarchists entered the WRC. In fact, this body and coordinated the preparation of an armed uprising. He was formally headed by Pavel Lazimir, a left SR, but almost all decisions were made by the Bolsheviks Leo Trotsky, Nikolai Podvoisky and Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko.

With the help of the WRC, the Bolsheviks established close ties with the soldiers' committees of the Petrograd garrison formations. In fact, the left forces restored the dual power in the city and began to establish their control over the military forces. When the Provisional Government decided to send the revolutionary regiments to the front, the Petrograd Soviet appointed an order check and decided that the order was dictated not by strategic, but by political motives. The regiments were ordered to remain in Petrograd. The commander of the military district prohibited issuing weapons to workers from the arsenals of the city and suburbs, but the Council issued warrants and issued weapons. The Petrograd Soviet also stopped the Provisional Government’s attempt to arm its supporters with the help of the Peter and Paul Fortress arsenal. Parts of the Petrograd garrison declared disobedience to the Provisional Government. October 21 held a meeting of representatives of the regiments of the garrison, who recognized the Petrograd Soviet as the sole legitimate authority in the city. From that moment on, the Military Revolutionary Committee began to appoint its commissars to military units, replacing commissars of the Provisional Government.

On the night of October 22, the Military Command requested the headquarters of the Petrograd Military District to recognize the authority of their commissars, and 22 declared its subordination to the garrison. October 23 The WRC obtained the right to create an advisory body at the headquarters of the Petrograd district. On the same day, Trotsky personally conducted an agitation in the Peter and Paul Fortress, where they still doubted which side to take. By October 24, the WRC appointed his commissars to the troops, as well as to arsenals, armories, railway stations and factories. In fact, by the beginning of the uprising, left forces had established military control over the capital. The Provisional Government was incapacitated and could not respond decisively.

Therefore, there was no serious clash and much blood, the Bolsheviks simply took power. The guards of the Provisional Government and the units loyal to them almost everywhere surrendered and went home. Shed their blood for the "temporary" no one wanted. From October 24, the units of the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee occupied all the key points of the city. The armed men simply occupied the key objects of the capital, and all this was done without a single shot, calmly and methodically. When the head of the Provisional Government, Kerensky ordered the arrest of members of the WRC, there was no one to execute the order of arrest. The interim government almost without a fight passed the country, although even before the revolution it had every opportunity to deal with active members of the Bolshevik Party. The fact that they haven’t even done anything to protect their last stronghold, the Winter Palace, speaks about the complete lack of talent and incompetence of the temporary worker: there were no combat-ready units, no ammunition or food was prepared.

By the morning of October 25 (November 7) the Interim Government in Petrograd had only the Winter Palace. By the end of the day, he was "defended" by the 200 women from the women's shock battalion, the 2-3 companies of bezusyh junkers and several dozen disabled people - St. George's knights. Protection began to disperse even before the assault. The Cossacks were the first to leave, then left on the orders of their chief junker of the Mikhailovsky Artillery School. So the defense of the Winter Palace lost its artillery. A part of the cadets of the Oranienbaum school is also gone. Therefore, the footage of the famous storming of the Winter Palace is a beautiful myth. The guards of the palace went home for the most part. The whole assault consisted in a flaccid exchange of fire. Its scale can be understood by casualties: six soldiers and one drummer were killed. At 2 in the morning of October 26 (November 8), members of the Provisional Government were arrested. Kerensky himself escaped in advance, drove away accompanied by the car of the American ambassador under the American flag (he was saved by overseas patrons).

It must be said that the Bolsheviks won almost the “shadow”. Later, a myth was created about the brilliant operation and the “heroic struggle” against the bourgeois. The main reason for the victory was the complete lack of talent and passivity of the Provisional Government. Almost all liberal figures could only speak beautifully. Decisive Kornilov, who was trying to establish at least some order, had already been eliminated. If a decisive dictator of the Suvorov or Napoleon type, with several attack units from the front, were in place of Kerensky, he would have easily dispersed the decomposed parts of the Petrograd garrison and the red partisan units.

In the evening of October 25, the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets opened in Smolny, which proclaimed the transfer of all power to the Soviets. October 26 The Council adopted a Decree on Peace. All belligerent countries were asked to begin negotiations on the conclusion of a universal democratic peace. The decree on the land passed landowner land to the peasants. All bowels, forests and waters nationalized. At the same time, a government was formed - the Council of People's Commissars headed by Vladimir Lenin.

Simultaneously with the uprising in Petrograd, the Moscow Council Revolutionary Committee took key points of the city under its control. It didn't go so smoothly here. The Public Security Committee under the chairman of the city duma Vadim Rudnev, with the support of the junkers and Cossacks, began military actions against the Council. The fighting continued until November 3, when the Public Security Committee capitulated.

In general, the Soviet government was established in the country easily and without much blood. The revolution was immediately supported in the Central Industrial District, where local Soviets of Workers' Deputies were actually in control of the situation. In the Baltics and Byelorussia, Soviet power was established in October - November 1917 of the year, and in the Central Chernozem region, the Volga region and Siberia - until the end of January 1918 of the year. These events are called "the triumphal march of the Soviet government." The process of the predominantly peaceful establishment of Soviet power throughout Russia was yet another proof of the complete degradation of the Provisional Government and the need to rescue the country with active and program-like force.

Subsequent events confirmed the correctness of the Bolsheviks. Russia was on the verge of death. The old project was destroyed, and only a new project could save Russia. He was given and the Bolsheviks. They did not destroy the "old Russia". The “fevralists” killed the Russian empire: the grand dukes, part of the generals, top dignitaries, aristocrats, bankers, industrialists, representatives of the liberal-democratic parties, many of whom were members of Masonic lodges, most of the intelligentsia who hated the “prison of nations.” In general, most of the "elite" of Russia with their own hands and destroyed the empire. It was these people who killed the “old Russia”.

The Bolsheviks did not save the "old Russia", it was doomed and fought in agony. They suggested that the people create a new reality, a civilization - a Soviet, more equitable one, where there will be no classes parasitizing the people. The Bolsheviks had all three necessary elements for the formation of a new reality, a project: an image of the future, a bright world; political will and energy, faith in one's victory (overpassionality); and organization.

The image of the future came to the liking of the greater part of the common people, since communism was inherent in Russian civilization, the people. Not for nothing, long before the revolution, many Russian, Christian-minded thinkers were at the same time supporters of socialism. Only socialism could be an alternative to parasitic capitalism (and at present, to a non-slave, neo-feudal system). Communism was on the priority of creation, labor and was against the exploitation of the people, parasitism. All this corresponded to the Russian "matrix". The Bolsheviks had the political will, energy and faith. They had an organization.

Modern liberals are trying to convince the people that October has become the "curse of Russia." They say that Russia has again moved away from Europe, and the history of the USSR is a complete disaster. In reality, the Bolsheviks were the only force that, after the death of the “old Russia” - the project of the Romanovs, tried to save the state and the people, create a new reality. The project, which will preserve the best that was in the past (Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Kutuzov), and at the same time will be a breakthrough into the future, into a different fair, sunny civilization, without slavery and oppression, parasitism and obscurantism. If not for the Bolsheviks, the Russian civilization, most likely, would simply have died.

It is clear that not everything was smooth with the Bolsheviks. They had to act tough, even cruel. A significant part of the revolutionaries were internationalists (supporters of Trotsky and Sverdlov). Many of them were agents of Western influence. They were supposed to launch a “second wave” to destroy the Russian super-ethnos (Russian civilization). The “first wave” was the Februarylists-Masons. They viewed Russia as a sacrifice, a feeding trough, a base for the world revolution, which would lead to the establishment of the New World Order, the owners of which would be the “world backstage” (the “world international”). "World backstage" started a world war and organized a revolution in Russia. The owners of the United States and Britain planned to establish a global world order based on Marxism - a kind of global totalitarian concentration camp. Their weapons were revolutionary internationalists, Trotskyists.

First, they “cleared the field” - destroyed the old monarchical empire. The Russian, German, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires fell as planned. Then they planned to conduct a series of "socialist" revolutions. Russia was planning to make the base of the world revolution, to use all its resources, the energy of the people, to sacrifice. The goal is a new world order based on phony communism (Marxism).

Therefore, part of the Bolshevik Party acted as an enemy of the Russian people. However, in Russia he gained a deeply popular, Russian component - the Bolshevik-Stalinists. It was they who showed such basic values ​​for the Russian "matrix" as justice, primacy of truth over the law, of the spiritual principle over the material, in general over the particular. Their victory led to the construction of a separate "Russian socialism", the physical elimination of most of the "fifth column" (the Trotskyists-internationalists) and the unprecedented success of Soviet civilization.

Stalin and his associates dealt a terrible blow to the plans for building the New World Order (slavery on the basis of Marxism). The masters of the West had to rely on national socialism and fascism, create the project “Third Reich - Hitler”, setting it on the Red Empire, which built a new, sunny civilization, a society of creation and ministry. However, this is another story ...
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  1. My address 7 November 2015 06: 56 New
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    Happy holiday, comrades!
    Happy Great Revolution!
    1. Ded_smerch 7 November 2015 07: 04 New
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      Happy Holidays!
      1. Enot-poloskun 7 November 2015 07: 54 New
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        On the occasion of the Great October Socialist Revolution, comrades!

        It was an event! An event that turned world history upside down.

        I am for the return of the holiday on November 7th. Why is France celebrating the anniversary of the Great French Revolution on July 14? And we have...
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        2. Aleksandr72 7 November 2015 08: 42 New
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          Moreover, the capture of the Bastille was a real farce, even in comparison with the "storm" of the Winter Palace. However, this does not prevent the French from being proud of their national holiday and singing “Marseillaise” as a national anthem.
          Whatever goal the Bolsheviks pursued in October 1917, picking up power in the country (yes, picking it up, because the Provisional Government ruled, but ruled, leaving everything to the mercy of fate and the Western allies of the Entente): world revolution, building socialism (communism ) in one particular country, in fact they maintained the integrity of the country, albeit shrinking in the territory (which they then gradually returned back), carried out (albeit with blood and anguish) its industrialization, creating a Power, making an attempt (which failed achey and the collapse of the country) the creation of the first state of social justice in the world.
          All who consider November 7th as a holiday, congratulations! drinks
          I have the honor.
          1. dv_generalov 7 November 2015 20: 26 New
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            Thank! Happy holiday! I do not agree with all points, but this is our story and we grew up in it.
            1. Astrey 7 November 2015 22: 46 New
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              Happy holiday, dear comrades!
              1. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 04: 06 New
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                Quote: Astrey
                Happy holiday, dear comrades!
                Happy holiday dear comrade! smile

              2. RUSS 8 November 2015 12: 13 New
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                Quote: Astrey
                Happy holiday, dear comrades!
          2. edge 8 November 2015 12: 44 New
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            Quote: Aleksandr72
            Moreover, the capture of the Bastille was a real farce, even in comparison with the "storm" of the Winter Palace.

            there was no assault; -Dybenko entered a meeting of the Duma and said- "the guard is tired, I ask everyone to leave the premises ....."
            1. Andriuha077 9 November 2015 15: 41 New
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              The guard was tired - a catch phrase, said during the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly in Russia 6 (19) January 1918. The author of the phrase is sailor Anatoly Grigorievich Zheleznyakov (1895-1919).
              Deputies stayed late. At 4: 20 at night, the head of security, Zheleznyakov, went to the meeting chairman Chernov and said:
              - I received instructions to bring to your notice that all those present left the meeting room, because the guard was tired.
              In response, the voices of the deputies were heard “we do not need a guard”, “That's right! Down with the bourgeoisie! Chernov asked:
              - What instruction? From whom?
              To which Zheleznyakov answered:
              - I am the head of the guard of the Tauride Palace and I have an instruction from the commissioner Dybenki.
              Chernov answered:
              - All members of the Constituent Assembly are also very tired, but no fatigue can interrupt the announcement of the land law, which Russia is waiting for. The constituent assembly can disperse only if the power is used ...
              At this time, in the meeting room, he makes a fuss, shouts of "Down with Chernov!"
              - I ask you to leave the meeting room immediately.
        3. bandabas 7 November 2015 11: 06 New
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          It is called Bastille Day. But this does not change the essence. Although in France, power changed back and forth. And about farce, Alexander72 is right. Sorry for the commandant of the Bastille.
      2. I am 7 November 2015 12: 57 New
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        HOLIDAY !!!!! HAPPY GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HURRY COMRADES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        How to make it nationwide again, instead of the 4th ...............
        1. Alena Frolovna 7 November 2015 14: 12 New
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          One of the last evenings, when the red flag flutters over the Kremlin, Saturday evening December 21 1991. And we voted for the preservation of the USSR.

          Written in 1991 year

          Fatal sentence, terrible pay.
          The traitors sat on the throne in the Kremlin.
          Moved into the Faceted Chamber
          And there housewarming is celebrated.

          They wheeled my country.
          A terrible execution of a terrible vision.
          Bloody stumps scattered
          Ravens and dogs to eat.

          1. Alena Frolovna 7 November 2015 14: 17 New
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            I HEAR A VOICE FROM A BEAUTIFUL FAR ...

        2. Sling cutter 7 November 2015 14: 19 New
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          Quote: I am
          How to make it nationwide again, instead of the 4th ...............

          Repeat the 17th and restore Soviet power!
          Whatever the “warlocks” say, the fairer and more humane Soviet power in Soviet times was not on planet Earth.
          Happy Holidays, comrades!
          1. Uncle Joe 7 November 2015 16: 41 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Whatever the “warlocks” say, the fairer and more humane Soviet power in Soviet times was not on planet Earth
            http://echo.msk.ru/polls/1649840-echo/results.html

          2. RUSS 8 November 2015 20: 01 New
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            Quote: Stroporez
            Happy Holidays, comrades!

            Stroporez, and who is this tramp in a budenovka with a machete and a gun on your avatar?
            1. the villain 8 November 2015 22: 32 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              who is this tramp in a budenovka with a machete and a gun

              Malchish Kibalchish. Have you heard of this?
              1. RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 11 New
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                Quote: Villain
                Malchish Kibalchish. Have you heard of this?

                Kibalchish? Strange surname, where did this young man come from?
                1. VseDoFeNi 9 November 2015 21: 38 New
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                  Quote: RUSS
                  Kibalchish?

                  MB Kibalchich?

                  Nikolai Ivanovich Kibalchich (October 19 [31], 1853, Chernihiv Province - April 3 [15], 1881, St. Petersburg) - Russian revolutionary, Narodovolets, inventor, participant in the assassination attempt on Alexander II.
            2. VseDoFeNi 9 November 2015 07: 03 New
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              Quote: RUSS
              Stroporez, and who is this tramp in a budenovka with a machete and a gun on your avatar?

              This is a positive literary character, invented by a man who helps to destroy the remnants of the Russian Empire and whose grandson helped to destroy the USSR and robbed the people of Russia in the nineties of the last century, and whose great-granddaughter spits poison on Russia, having left for Georgia to go to war criminal.
        3. DPN
          DPN 8 November 2015 19: 45 New
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          Very simply down with the gentlemen and the bourgeoisie, this is why the whites were hiding the mausoleum and were smarter than the peasant community.
          Today in the news, Kiselyov spoke so delightfully about Voikov as if he were holding a candle. While the media will obsess the SOVIET period, nothing good will be in Russia.
          1. Varyag_1973 9 November 2015 00: 18 New
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            For DPN. I just talked about this with my wife! So it became disgusting! I understand everything, and Kisilev, and Solovyov, and Babayan, these are our guys leading the information war! BUT, why such a vyser about Voikov ?! You kind of made November 4 the Day of National Unity, so come to terms with your story already! I would like to ask Kisilev what you wanted to say with your vyser about Voikov ?! YES, he is a regicide, YES, not many would be able to kill children, BUT WHAT HAPPEN WITH RUSSIA DON'T DO IT THIS ?! How many MILLION more lives would we have lost ?!

            I was recently asked the question, “but could you kill the children (the royal family is meant) ?! I honestly said that I couldn’t! Only now I understand that my clean-up would cost the country a couple of dozen MILLIONS of killed fellow citizens, name of the Tsar! I said and say that Nikolai the Bloody is worthy of BREAST, but not canonization! The Russian Orthodox Church canonized the KILLER of millions of citizens of the Russian Empire! It was a weak king, about ***** his country, exchanging his people for love of to your family! You bastard, you have to love your people, first of all, and only then your family, if not, so go away from power voluntarily!

            COMRADE, all on the occasion of the Great October Socialist Revolution! And also my birthday is November 7th and I'm proud of it!
            1. RUSS 9 November 2015 21: 14 New
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              COMRADE, all on the occasion of the Great October Socialist Revolution! And also my birthday is November 7th and I'm proud of it!

              Then remove the Andreevsky flag from the avatar, the red-bellied unbeaten.
            2. azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 17 New
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              Let’s comrade Varyag, we’ll reconcile with the sadist Gaidar (Golikov) with the murderer of the royal family, including Voikov’s children, with Gleb Bokim, who drank human blood, and Jacob Peters who took to shoot the bourgeois with his shots to shoot! Let's reconcile with the pathological sadists and murderers Rosalia Zalkind, all sorts of Wichmanns, Rimovers, who assured us that they shot thousands of people, all sorts of Dora specializing in executing officers, and having initially beaten their eggs! Let's reconcile with the red priestess of sexual licentiousness Alexandra Kollontai and all sorts of Bolsheviks who created in St. Petersburg a distribution center for sexual comfort with boys, through which several hundreds of Petrograd street children passed, as we wrote Pitirim Sorokin! Rosenfeld, Radomyslsky, Sverdlov, Rappoporti, Messing, fieldman, Yehuda and others !! Of course, let's reconcile, because it was they who came to save the Russian people! Saved it! True, then this people missed several tens of millions, and if calculated according to Mendeleev, then several hundred millions! But this is nonsense, the main thing is that they saved us and raised us to such a height that back in the 50s peasants worked all day for 100 grams of grain !!! but it's all the little things, right?)))))
      3. Pilot 8 November 2015 18: 05 New
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        No matter how well we live, be that revolution. How many people put in? Was it worth it?
        1. Was mammoth 8 November 2015 18: 23 New
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          Quote: Pilot
          No matter how well we live, be that revolution.

          My grandfather was a "low-power MID." There was such a definition in due time. The whole family went in homespun clothes and homemade shoes. I read with a grin about the decent income of the working people. How WELL they lived!
          1. Pilot 8 November 2015 18: 55 New
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            Quote: Was Mammoth
            Quote: Pilot
            No matter how well we live, be that revolution.

            My grandfather was a "low-power MID." There was such a definition in due time. The whole family went in homespun clothes and homemade shoes. I read with a grin about the decent income of the working people. How WELL they lived!

            I do not write about incomes and about the middle peasants. I regret the millions of lost lives and the contribution that they could make to our welfare today.
            1. indeveral 8 November 2015 19: 37 New
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              And did they have the opportunity to contribute something to the development of Russia? Based on history, they basically had only one opportunity, to starve in the villages, because of the unresolved land issue, and the unwillingness to solve it, but to work in factories without any rights. That now 20% of Russian citizens live in the labor of 80% of the rest, which is then. And if now, someone will propose a real state idea, a program and will be ready to promote it by force, I am ready to participate and fight for it. A pack of Kremlin jackals, already got it.
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            3. Was mammoth 8 November 2015 20: 01 New
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              I regret the millions of lost lives and the contribution that they could make to our welfare today.

              Only a mentally ill maniac can rejoice in the killings. Most people do not belong to this category.
              But killing people guilty only of wanting a better share was commonplace in Russia at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Remember Lensky’s execution, “Bloody Sunday”, the suppression of peasant riots ... .Around Russia, there are still many memorial plaques with inscriptions like “An engineer, a train driver, a worker, an employee ... were shot by punishers here.”
              Yesterday was the anniversary of an event that did not affect unless in some places the remaining primitive tribe in the Amazon forests. I consider the slander and slander of some comments to be at least dishonorable. I do not like the fictitious holiday on November 4. But I do not allow myself to write about it that day.
              PS Silence is also from the same category. In Rambler, they wrote about the remains of a giant lizard, but the anniversary of the revolution went unnoticed.
              1. azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 28 New
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                Do you seem to study the history of Soviet textbooks?))))) Lensky remembered the shooting, but did you know that the shooting was at the gold mines of the American company Lena Gold, on the orders of their manager, and after the revolution, the Bolsheviks who had a lot of capital in this execution surrendered to concession of the same LeneGold same mines?))) And how many people were shot by commies you know, Or there were no such signs? Do you know how Chinese punitive battalions sawed people? Do you know? And how many people were missed by Russia as a result of the civil war unleashed by the Bolsheviks and the famine that followed them (only them !!!), TIFA, how many died during dispossession, as a result of the stupid command in WWII? Do you know?
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          3. azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 21 New
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            And under the Soviet regime, they healed happily, receiving 100-200 grams of grain per workday?))))) My father said that before the army, white bread was seen only when relatives from Moscow came with bagels!
        2. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 21: 59 New
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          No matter how good we live now, be that revolution
          Yeah - like India.

          I pity millions of lost lives
          Well, compassionate you ours, have pity on the children of whom only one third survived to the age of 18 in the pre-revolutionary period
        3. asher 9 November 2015 18: 19 New
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          Yes, yes, revolution of various kinds of pro-Americans brought nothing good to anyone. The October Revolution can only be welcomed because, as a result, Stalin became the leader and cleaned up those then shit. It is time to return to the power of the Soviets and public property. By the way, various fragments of the Russian Empire are subject to purification from traitors.
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          It would be bad if they lived, the Provisional Government did not care before the fate of Russia.
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        I want it to be like on a postcard!
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      What to celebrate? What power is the bourgeois government again? Many journalists have expensive watches in their hands, and they have millions in their declarations, but somewhere the old people can’t get gas or the veterans live their lives in shacks, I don’t feel a holiday.
      1. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 07: 22 New
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        What to celebrate?

        Celebrate rebellion during the war, that is, treacherous actions against their country.

        The result of the seventy years of activity of the Communists was the dismemberment of the great country into 15 parts, the destruction of CMEA and the Warsaw Treaty, whose countries joined the orderly ranks of NATO, moving it close to our borders.
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          Result seventy years of communist activity appeared ...

          During 40 years unfinished Trotskyists starting with 53 yearsfinished off the country.
          And we celebrate the victory of the working people over the exploiters.
          1. Alexander Romanov 7 November 2015 07: 54 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            And we celebrate the victory of the working people over the exploiters.

            And whom did you (you) defeat?
            1. Boris55 7 November 2015 08: 06 New
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              And whom did you (you) defeat?

              Yes, all those who on white motor ships were scrambling from the country with their tails tucked in.
              1. Alexander Romanov 7 November 2015 08: 12 New
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                Yes, all those who on white motor ships were scrambling from the country, tail tails

                You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.
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                  You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.

                  It makes no difference to me what nationality the thief robbed me.
                  1. Alexander Romanov 7 November 2015 09: 31 New
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                    It makes no difference to me what nationality the thief robbed me.

                    Che for the people, sitting at home on the couch and yelling, they robbed me. robbed go to the police and write declare.
                    1. bubla5 7 November 2015 13: 26 New
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                      Without options
                      1. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 15: 32 New
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                        Without options

                        What, for the third time in a hundred years, want to destroy your country?
                        And even the experience of Ukraine does not add anything to you.
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                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        What, for the third time in a hundred years, want to destroy your country? And even the experience of Ukraine does not add anything to you.


                        Why "destroy"? Reformat and restore what was good. And so that it doesn’t work, like in Ukraine, look at who is at the head of the process and what the program and goal are. And do not believe that the oligarchs will fight against the oligarchy for the happiness of the people
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                        Quote: revnagan
                        Why “destroy”? Reformat and restore that good


                        Thanks revnagan. The main thing is to remove from politics liberalists with an atrophied brain. Type - VseDoFeNi
                      4. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 06: 07 New
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                        The main thing is to remove from politics liberalists with an atrophied brain. Type - VseDoFeNi

                        Yes, yes, and also I am a Jew? fool laughing

                        You are no better than the modern maydanut Ukrainians who have chosen the traitor and bandit Bandera as their idol, you have chosen the traitor Lenin and Co. fool

                        And the lousiest thing is that it doesn’t reach you, even crack it!

                        That liberal, that the communist rabble is equally disgusting to me. And you poke equally in the negative, like Pavlov’s dogs, salivating to irritant. bully
                      5. Bijo 8 November 2015 13: 00 New
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                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        You are no better than the modern maydanut Ukrainians who have chosen the traitor and bandit Bandera as their idol, you have chosen the traitor Lenin and Co.

                        I agree with you on all your statements, but my "+" unfortunately do not "weather". Question to minus signers (VseDoFeNi). Citizens, and you are ready to go through a re-development, dispossession (after all, many of you have a car and a summer house, you’ll have to give your pension), red and white terror, civil war, and then famine, fatherlessness and homelessness, squandering and class extermination, shooting threes, and then if you stay alive perhaps a “good” life will come. There were many glorious and heroic deeds in the history of the Soviet state, but I remember for 91 years screaming crowds "down with the damned commies", "down with the party nomenclature", miners, conversion and the country in ruins. 25 years have passed and sho again? give us back the communists? And this is after we have at least some kind of sovereign state? Oh yes! corrupt officials! Destroy the country on hrn! Old fart Zyuganov and "fighter" Navalny in the Provisional Government!
                      6. Lenin 8 November 2015 15: 55 New
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                        Enough dirty juggle and scare people. There is a law and before the law, as all liberalists say, everyone is equal. So here THIEF SHOULD SIT !!! THIS IS CLEAR? Or do we have double standards in Europe and the USA? It's good that YOU remember 91 years, but just remembering this is not enough. We must still draw the right conclusions !!! But no one mentioned Zyuganov and Navalny, for some reason you are promoting them. Not weird??? hi
                      7. Vlad5307 8 November 2015 18: 00 New
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                        Why, creating a new one, taking into account perfect mistakes, dance on the old rake like dill! We must not repeat, but move on! Today, there has been a rollback to oligarchic capitalism, but you may not understand this. And who betrayed whom in 91 if everything was done not in accordance with the will of the people expressed by referendum ?! It is Gorbachev, Yeltsin and you!
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                        And who betrayed whom in 91 if everything was done not in accordance with the will of the people expressed by referendum ?! It is Gorbachev, Yeltsin and you!

                        Who could I betray? I went to school in grade 91 at 9!
                      9. Bijo 8 November 2015 22: 23 New
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                        Today, there has been a rollback to oligarchic capitalism, but you may not understand this.

                        Well, I understand where I am. But only I will tell you that modern Russian oligarchic capitalism is similar to Soviet party-nomenclature socialism, and even earlier there was palace favoritism, all the same, there is no way to build a state of absolute justice on earth, unfortunately this is utopia. I follow myself, I do not steal and do not deceive, but I do not want blood and revolution.
                    2. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 19: 34 New
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                      I agree with you on all your statements, but my "+" unfortunately do not "weather"

                      Yes to me their minuses to a damn ... One thing saddens that there are too many of them.

                      Quote: Bijo
                      Question to minus signers (VseDoFeNi).

                      Zombies will not answer you.

                      Quote: Bijo
                      Citizens and you are ready to go through a re-scan,

                      They are ready ... to carry out surplus appropriation, dispossession and further on the list.
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                      There are many more of them because they don’t read books, don’t know the story, they only, and it’s true how Pavlov’s dogs can poke a finger in the red! They judge the Soviet regime mainly by 70-80 years old, and what happened there before it was Soviet cinema that told them! They don’t understand and probably won’t understand that the Russian people, according to their conscience Valentin Rasputin, digested this cannibalistic Russophobic power at the cost of millions of losses !!!!
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                    Quote: Bijo
                    . Question to minus signers (VseDoFeNi). Citizens and you are ready to go through a re-development, dispossession

                    Well, Mr. "Oh." Merged into an anti-Soviet orgasm. and "Mr. Ah" fellow
                    It is hard to imagine how much enthusiasm you get from your “truthful” mentions about the “bloody Bolsheviks”, about your great-grandfathers “raised up with red bayonets”, about your grandmother shot 15 times in a row by the Chekists, and then served 125 years in the gulag for 3 collective farm ears crying
                    About the horrors of industrialization and collectivization, about the bloody detachments of the NKVD and certainly about the "brainless commies dismembering the USSR"
                    and at the same time, you sing trills from the gap about a prosperous RF, which, with its prosperity by education, medecine and standard of living, occupies the last places in the world tables, and the first ones in corruption ...
                    are you jesting, or are the masahists, or is it autumn? laughing
                  3. Bijo 9 November 2015 00: 40 New
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                    Well, Mr. "Oh." Merged into an anti-Soviet orgasm. and "Mr. Ah"

                    As they said in '91, “Where were you on August 21?” Why didn’t they come to a “mortal battle” with the destroyers of the country and those who ignored the results of the referendum? It is you who are "groaning" and "groaning" over a lost country, I am not an anti-Soviet, but after a fight they don’t wave their fists, the collapse of the Union is the natural political evolution of the state.
                  4. Sling cutter 9 November 2015 01: 23 New
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                    As they said in '91, “Where were you on August 21?”

                    At the factory, the defenses of the Motherland were strengthened, the eldest was 3 months old, and it was vomiting to watch weapons after the army for a long time wink
                    I do not idealize the USSR and I understand perfectly well that there is no Ideal Peace, but in comparison with the current cesspool, the Union takes ideal shape, and even then the party nomenclature is just angels relative to the current yes
                    Something like this..... hi
                2. Bijo 9 November 2015 00: 44 New
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                  It is hard to imagine how much enthusiasm you get from your “truthful” mentions about the “bloody Bolsheviks”, about your great-grandfathers “raised up with red bayonets”, about your grandmother shot 15 times in a row by the Chekists, and then served 125 years in the gulag for 3 collective farm ears
                  About the horrors of industrialization and collectivization, about the bloody detachments of the NKVD and certainly about the "brainless commies dismembering the USSR"

                  Who mentioned this? Why lie and invent?
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            2. Lenin 8 November 2015 15: 49 New
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              Yes, you are just a provocateur.
            3. Sling cutter 8 November 2015 15: 51 New
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              Yes, you are just a provocateur.

              Comrade, you flatter them, these are ordinary trolls laughing
            4. Lenin 8 November 2015 15: 58 New
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              I understood. But why is it dirty to lie? Since childhood, I can not stand the lie !!!
            5. Sling cutter 8 November 2015 16: 11 New
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              I understood. But why is it dirty to lie? Since childhood, I can not stand

              But can the liberal democrats have the truth? belay Well these are the real followers of Dr. Goebbels
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              I agree. I at one time did not believe in the revival of fascism ... The wounds of the people were too fresh and deep. But no, during my life all this shushara - Bandera, forest brothers, terrorists and other evil spirits were revived and strengthened. And until the 90s, I could not even imagine this. I could not imagine that my great country would lose the Cold War and would be destroyed from the inside for cheap clothes and a low-grade low-quality crap ....
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              No wonder he wrote. If minus, then not all bad boys have been translated. laughing
  2. Vlad5307 8 November 2015 17: 56 New
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    The answer must be reasoned, otherwise you, like Pavlov’s dog, have one reflection unproven in response, as in modern Khokhloukropiya! hi
  3. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 19: 19 New
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    Answer must be reasoned

    Much more ??? Was there a riot during the war? It was. Were more than ten million civil war victims? There were ...
  4. Anatoli_kz 10 November 2015 02: 57 New
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    So who committed the rebellion and for what ???
    Immediately in the article it is written that the coup in Russia was made by the interim government - the bourgeois and liberals !!!
    During the war, as you say.
    And the king was removed from power.
    Turn on the brain.
    And civilian officers fought by the Entente to further weaken the country.
    Where was this white officer when the interim government threw off the king ??
  5. VseDoFeNi 10 November 2015 07: 22 New
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    So who committed the rebellion and for what ???

    To carry out a coup d'etat and refuse the results of victory in the First World ... For foreign money and in foreign interests. So it became easier?

    Quote: Anatoli_kz
    Immediately in the article it is written that the coup in Russia was made by the interim government - the bourgeois and liberals !!!
    It is strange why then they celebrated the Great October Revolution?

    Quote: Anatoli_kz
    During the war, as you say.

    Not "as you say," but as it really was.

    Quote: Anatoli_kz
    And the king was removed from power.

    The Bolsheviks made a lot of efforts to undermine the situation in the country in wartime. And this is a sub-firing case.

    Quote: Anatoli_kz
    Turn on the brain.

    So turn on what you washed.

    Quote: Anatoli_kz
    And civilian officers fought by the Entente to further weaken the country.

    Firstly, it was not necessary to betray the country during the war.
    Second.

    It was canceled by the All-Russian Central Executive Committee of the RSFSR in November of the same year. The Brest peace is extremely unequal for Russia, humiliating and “obscene” (V. Lenin).
    We will not describe in detail all the articles of the Brest Treaty. Most of them are military and political in nature. But there were articles of a territorial nature, they dealt with the annexations of Russian territories. Privislinsky rejected from Russia
    provinces, Ukraine, provinces with a predominantly Belarusian population, Estland, Courland and Livonia provinces, Grand Duchy of Finland. Most of these territories were to become German protectorates or become part of Germany. In the Caucasus, Russia was inferior to the Kars and Batumi regions. Russia also pledged to recognize the independence of Ukraine in the person of the Government of the Ukrainian People’s Republic (UNR) 57.
    Such annexations created enormous economic damage to the RSFSR. A territory of 780 thousand square meters was torn away from Soviet Russia. kilometers with a population of 56 million people (a third of the population of the Russian Empire). Before the revolution, this territory accounted for (% of all Russia):
    - cultivated agricultural land - 27;
    - railway network - 26;
    - textile industry - 33;
    - smelting of iron and steel - 73;
    - mining of coal - 89;
    - sugar production - 90.
    There were 918 textile factories, 574 breweries, 133 tobacco factories, 1685 distilleries, 244 chemical factories, 615 pulp mills, 1073 machine-building factories and 40% of industrial workers on the seized territory.

    The Brest Treaty reinstated the 1904 customs tariffs extremely disadvantageous for Russia with Germany. In addition, when the Bolsheviks refused tsarist debts (which occurred in January 1918), Russia was forced to confirm all debts with the "Central
    Powers ”and resume payments on them.
    After the conclusion of the Brest Peace, the situation in Russia became even more difficult - the Civil War and the Entente intervention began.
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  7. Setrac 9 November 2015 12: 37 New
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    The Russian analogue of Bandera is not Lenin, but Vlasov, as it is not good to mislead people.
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    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    What, for the third time in a hundred years, want to destroy your country? And even the experience of Ukraine does not add anything to you.


    Why "destroy"? Reformat and restore what was good. And so that it doesn’t work, like in Ukraine, look at who is at the head of the process and what the program and goal are. And do not believe that the oligarchs will fight against the oligarchy for the happiness of the people

    Again, who was nothing, that will become everything.
  9. azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 37 New
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    What naive you are not by age!))) Do you have confidence that you will not be used, and then not thrown away as a used condom?))))) Will you watch ??? Lord, how many idiots in the world and their history does not teach anything !!!
  10. avia1991 8 November 2015 01: 47 New
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    What, for the third time in a hundred years, want to destroy your country?

    But what - do they not destroy it now? .. It is necessary to save it, and not to uphold what the “tops” lead us to - their goal is their own, not state welfare!
  11. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 07: 41 New
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    And what - now do not they destroy it ?.

    Young man, if this passed you by, I will tell you that Putin, by creating a vertical of power, prevented the final collapse of Russia, ready for this collapse.

    Quote: avia1991
    It is necessary to save it, and not to uphold what the "tops" lead us to - their goal is their own, not state welfare!

    You are not at all able to understand that if our leadership had set the task of destroying Russia, Russia in its current form would NOT have existed, moreover, ten years, at least. And not even a spaceport, rearmament of the army, restoration of industry, and so on and so forth, was even out of the question ...

    Russia today is the only country in the world directly opposing the West. It was Russia today that the West declared an economic war, calling it sanctions.

    You, like your co-goods, look for it, this is great material for swamp and other Maidan under any sauce, since you don’t know how to think in principle and you don’t want to learn to think, considering yourself smarter than everyone else. fool

    And after reading these words, you. as usual, don’t think about them, but stupidly poke the “minus”. With which I congratulate you, citizens are degenerates. good
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    so, it’s not about the president, besides him, how many bureaucrats should he be? and half should be shot to death, and the second should be dispossessed, because our bureaucrats are the boyars who spit on the mob and don’t put it in anything.
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    Quote: free
    so, it’s not about the president, besides him, how many bureaucrats should he be? and half should be shot to death, and the second should be dispossessed, because our bureaucrats are the boyars who spit on the mob and don’t put it in anything.

    ordinary envy no more ....
  14. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 17: 57 New
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    so it's not about the president

    This is for you personally, maybe not in it, but letting Joe sleep and see how to remove Putin. And the West longs for the same, and liberalism and other riffraff also.

    Quote: free
    besides him, how many bureaucrats?

    For the hundredth time I say - this trash appeared as a result of the dismemberment of the USSR by corrupt brainless communists. The West has created and supports corruption, creating conditions for the withdrawal and storage of resources withdrawn from Russia to corrupt officials. This is clear?
    The same applies to the oligarchs, whose hands bought up our significant media, enterprises and so on. Is that clear too?

    And this will be "hiccuping" to us for more than one year. Is that clear too?

    And if it’s understandable, then we must not whine, but help, or at least not interfere, to change the country for the better.

    And do not forget that the West ANNOUNCED an economic war against us, calling it sanctions. That is, now we have a war.
  15. Lenin 8 November 2015 19: 24 New
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    How much noise. The Communists are to blame ... Let the current government make the life of the people better than under the Communists, then dear I agree with you. In the meantime, what are you saying, excuse the usual art whistle and nothing more. hi
    P \ S I would love to screw a jar of army Soviet stew, but apparently the Communists are to blame, they ate everything, and they stole the recipe according to GOST ... Here are the heaps ... laughing
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    Three times laughing ... When there are no arguments, it remains only in powerless malice to quietly minus. Again laughing и hi
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    Lenin

    Dear V.I. What vseDoFeni is talking about makes sense. But to bring this meaning to a common understanding is quite difficult.

    In modern conditions of progress, bringing a country to the level of a socialist society, a society of justice in the Russian Federation is a matter of time of several years. Absolutely bloodless, because the government understands and recognizes this.

    But the problem is that behind this or during this transition, the whole world will receive a third world war.

    You recently read an article by V. Ishchenko.

    It is written in black and white that they are trying to come to an agreement with the main bearer of the liberal idea of ​​the United States on reforming the global financial system.

    And for this, GDP requires a country that is perceived as equal to itself. With the same device. The RF device, like two drops of water, does not seem to be a US device.

    Therefore, the question is posed. Give the opportunity to work GDP.

    He does everything right. Progress has been outlined. In the USA, there is already an internal struggle between consonants and opponents. It takes more time until the opponents realize the need for reform. According to Ishchenko, several years remain for them.
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  19. Lenin 8 November 2015 22: 12 New
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    Either we speak different languages ​​and live in different states, or someone deliberately misleads the people in pursuit of their selfish goals and blaming the Communists for all the ills. Better watch the video at the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2N_mfOXBiM#action=share
    As for several years, the line of Nekrasov comes to my mind:
    "It’s a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
    I don’t have to - neither to me nor to you. "
    A generation will simply be replaced and young people with brainwashed examinations will succeed.
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    Lenin

    Socialism in a single country is not possible, as it will entail disintegration from the global system of relationships.

    But.

    Changes, reform of the global financial system will give impetus to the evolutionary development of social systems throughout the world. Without revision and relocation of property.

    Work on reform is ongoing.
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    I can not argue. The world cannot be unipolar; it will cease to develop. By the way, apparent degradation occurred after the collapse of the USSR. As truth is born in a dispute, so the world develops and progresses due to contradictions. And what kind of contradictions can there be in a unipolar capitalist world? Therefore, we definitely need socialism. hi
  22. Lenin 10 November 2015 17: 47 New
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    Changes, reform of the global financial system will give impetus to the evolutionary development of social systems throughout the world. Without revision and relocation of property.


    You have one contrary to the other. What you are talking about is more like another temptation for the people in the hope that the people will swallow it and will continue to endure. Not a ride, the patience of the people is not infinite.
  23. the villain 8 November 2015 23: 09 New
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    I would love to screw a can of army Soviet stew

    I myself didn’t mind, it was good, “brainless communists”, contrary to the profitability of the business, they did it from some meat butcher from MEAT, and they didn’t bother with soy. hi
  24. azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 51 New
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    would you screw a can of army stew?))))) I served in the army in the beginning of the 80s when the Soviet regime was already over 60 years old, so we were fed with fish and fish after which the whole part was lined up in the toilet at night . For 2 years I have NEVER SEEN THIS MOST STEWEN !!! AND THIS AFTER 60 YEARS OF BLESSED SOVIET AUTHORITY. which even its soldiers could not feed not only the people !!!
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    Who offended you that you are so angry? Is it because the stews did not go? So now it’s not a problem of chemical grubs in stores, you eat as much as you like. For what you fought, then get it. hi
  26. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 17: 00 New
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    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Putin, creating a vertical of power, prevented the final collapse of Russia, ready for this collapse
    Oh, I can’t! laughing

    Russia in the late 80s - early 90s went through a parade of sovereignty, and did not fall apart.
    Russia in the first half of the 90s passed through the small-town semi-separatism of Siberia, and did not fall apart.
    Russia went through a referendum on the sovereignty of Tatarstan and the war with Chechnya, and did not fall apart.

    But only Putin and his power vertical, consisting of bears, kudrins, grefs, Serdyukov and other Petersburg-Gazprom brothers, prevented final collapse of Russia wassat

    You are not at all able to understand that if our leadership had set the task of destroying Russia, Russia in its current form would ALREADY not be
    But it is no longer in its previous form.

    Yeltsin inherited the state after unconstitutional privatization with a weak, but working, economy, and still social - with a mass of state guarantees from the Soviet period.

    With the advent of Putin, the policy of privatization, integration into the world economy, attracting foreign investment (the sale of foreign economic sectors to foreigners) and protecting the interests of big capital was continued, but the destruction of social guarantees was added to it: under the guise of increasing DD to military personnel, they simply monetized benefits, and it’s good if they simply didn’t lose anything (in fact, they lost - for example, a disabled military pensioner was given an annual trip to a holiday home, and she was replaced with 500 rubles, while the trip for St. oh account 40000 worth)

    So do not "confuse" the destruction of Russia as a country (on the basis of territory rejection) with the destruction of Russia as a state (on political and socio-economic grounds)
  27. Dart2027 8 November 2015 17: 04 New
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    Russia went through a referendum on the sovereignty of Tatarstan and the war with Chechnya, and did not fall apart
    And who led the country when Basayev invaded Dagestan?
  28. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 23: 05 New
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    And who led the country when Basayev invaded Dagestan?
    Boris Nikolaevich.

    And who was the director of the FSB (whose tasks include, among other things, counterintelligence, the fight against terrorism, the fight against especially dangerous forms of crime, intelligence and border activities) when Basayev invaded Dagestan?

    Who broke the invasion?
  29. Down House 8 November 2015 17: 24 New
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    integration into the world economy, attracting foreign investment (the essence is the sale of economic sectors to foreigners)

    yes yes yes everything is bad! ))))
    But what exactly is bad about this integration itself?
    And what is wrong with the investment?
    What is wrong with them, that our citizens under Putin massively buy new auto-new equipment (including your computer) and this is not imported from abroad, as under Yeltsin, but was produced by Russian people in Russia ?!
  30. gladcu2 8 November 2015 22: 03 New
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    Duan House

    You asked a question which in itself explains that the creation of socialism in a single country will not allow integration into the world system.

    There will be contradictions that will require limiting integration at best. And in the worst they will cause a situation of the third world. How it was done during I.V. Stalin. Who absolutely knew that it was a matter of world war. But the choice fell on this path of development.
  31. Down House 8 November 2015 22: 14 New
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    the creation of socialism in a single country will not allow integration into the world system.

    Oh well, the USSR traded well with the whole world, and bought and sold it itself, and the presence of the Communist Party at the helm of the state didn’t interfere with it in the same way as it does now with China.
    The contradictions that took place were caused not by disagreements in ideologies (to any normal person, in general, in parallel with the ideology of the ruling party in another country), but by the clash of two US-USSR world hegemons.
    That is, it was not a war of ideas, as you think, it was a war of influence of 2 superpowers for control of the world.
  32. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 22: 21 New
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    yes yes yes everything is bad!
    No, no, no, all is well ...

    But what exactly is bad about this integration itself?
    But what's good about it is that the Russian Federation is integrating as a fuel cell, which is beneficial exclusively to large capital?

    And what is wrong with the investment?
    If the goal is to sell itself to the West on its terms solely in the interests of the bourgeoisie and the oligarchy, then it is.

    What is bad with them, that our citizens under Putin massively buy new auto-new equipment (including your computer) and this is not imported from abroad, as under Yeltsin, but was produced by Russian people in Russia ?!
    What about ?! belay
  33. Down House 8 November 2015 23: 58 New
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    But what's good about it is that the Russian Federation is integrating as a fuel cell, which is beneficial exclusively to large capital?

    Yes, yes, yes, of course, the share of natural resources extraction is 10% of GDP, with only education-healthcare 7%.
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    If the goal is to sell itself to the West on its terms solely in the interests of the bourgeoisie and the oligarchy, then it is.

    The bourgeoisie? Are you sure you live in 2015?
    Something I don’t see, that someone is especially sold here, for example, including the same Ukraine.
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    What about ?!

    Perhaps yes, I suppose laughing
    Import is 6 times less than GDP, almost all consumed in the Russian Federation in Russia is produced, something (for example, Hyundai cars) is even exported.
  34. Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 01: 47 New
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    the share of natural resources extraction is 10% of GDP, with only education-healthcare 7%
    Let me translate into Russian.

    So - the share of natural resources in the total market value 10% of goods and services reaching the end consumer in the Russian Federation, and 7% of education-healthcare ...

    And what? lol

    The bourgeoisie? Are you sure you live in 2015?
    And you definitely graduated from school?

    The bourgeoisie - (French bourgeoisie - city dwellers) - a public class of capital owners who receive income from trade, industrial, credit and financial and other business activities ...
    The modern bourgeoisie in developed countries includes: the large financial and industrial bourgeoisie, which adjoins the upper stratum of managers; a significant layer of the middle bourgeoisie combining ownership of capital and entrepreneurial functions; petty bourgeoisie. In developing countries, the formation of different layers of the bourgeoisie is associated with the process of modernization of society ...
    (Encyclopedic Dictionary)

    Something does not suit you? smile

    Something I don’t see, that someone is especially for sale with us
    The blinkers are probably of high quality ...

    What is investment, how is investment made, and what is foreign investment (about which Putin has been buzzing all his ears for 15 years)?

    Imports are 6 times less than GDP
    And GNP is 4-5 times less than GDP - then what?

    almost everything consumed in the territory of the Russian Federation in the Russian Federation is produced
    Approximately 50%, despite the fact that residents produced no more than 25% of the consumed in the Russian Federation.
  35. Down House 9 November 2015 12: 52 New
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    And what?

    And what is incomprehensible?
    You, as a consumer, consume significantly more than "energy resources" are sold to the west.
    The question is, where did it all come from ?! fellow
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    And you definitely graduated from school?

    Yes. Already at zero. Marxism is no longer taught at school as the only true doctrine of society, but is taught at institutes as one of the private theories of TGP and this is correct, as an observing scientist Marx did really serious work, but as a philosopher-politician he does not stand up to criticism - his conclusions from the "observable" are fundamentally wrong - do you yourself understand what I mean or explain?
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    And GNP is 4-5 times less than GDP - then what?

    So what? And PPP GDP is 2 times larger than GDP.
    Quote: Uncle Joe
    Approximately 50%, despite the fact that residents produced no more than 25% of the consumed in the Russian Federation.

    And how did these 50% calculate?
    And what does a resident mean? Here I have an apartment, for example, it was built by a domestic company, and the owner of this domestic company in Cyprus is the residents of the Russian Federation, or what if the owners of the company in Cyprus have Russian citizenship? fellow
  36. Uncle Joe 9 November 2015 17: 22 New
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    You, as a consumer, consume significantly more than "energy resources" are sold to the west.
    So what does it mean in your opinion?
    Maybe you know at least one country in the world whose imports would exceed its GDP?

    You are trying to prove something by comparing warm with soft.

    Yes. Already at zero. Marxism is no longer taught at school as the only true doctrine of society, but is taught at institutes as one of the private theories of TGP and this is correct, as an observing scientist Marx did really serious work, but as a philosopher-politician he does not stand up to criticism - his conclusions from the "observable"
    Clear.

    Marxism fully confirms itself, but this is a separate issue.
    We are talking about terminology (the term bourgeoisie), and in this matter, the formation of zero shows itself in all its glory.

    So what? And PPP GDP is 2 times more than GDP
    And what does the purchasing power of currencies have to do with the factors of production of goods and services (purely domestic / using foreign factors)?

    What does the low value of the ruble that PPP GDP shows us have to do with the fact that using purely domestic factors of production, goods and services, a maximum of 25% of GDP is produced, as the comparison between GNP and GDP shows?

    And how did these 50% calculate?
    I figured on the structure of imports.

    And what does a resident mean? Here I have an apartment, for example, it was built by a domestic company, and the owner of this domestic company in Cyprus is the residents of the Russian Federation, or what if the owners of the company in Cyprus have Russian citizenship?
    If the owner is one, and he is a foreigner, then the legal entity is non-resident and the company is not domestic.

    http://forexaw.com/TERMs/Economic_terms_and_concepts/Accounting_and_Taxes/l1228_
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  37. Tatyana 9 November 2015 05: 18 New
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    Down House
    But what exactly is bad about this integration itself?
    And what is wrong with the investment?
    What is wrong with them, that our citizens under Putin massively buy new cars - new equipment including your computer) and this is not imported from abroad, as under Yeltsin, but was produced by Russian people in Russia ?!
    Dear Down House! There is indeed a bad nuance and it poses a threat to the national security of the Russian Federation. It consists of the following.
    In fact, foreign enterprises, such as assembly shops of the same foreign cars, computers, etc. in the economy are called: 1) enterprises of "screwdriver assembly" and 2) enterprises - "swallows".
    1. Enterprises of the “screwdriver assembly”, because they are organized as import-dependent on components from abroad.
    2. Such enterprises are called “swallows” because at any time, depending on the international political and economic situation, foreign owners of such enterprises can close their production, for example, in the Russian Federation, so that they cease to supply components for the production of products. As a result, there was production - and there was no production! There is no need to talk about the sovereignty of the country's “screwdriver assembly” economy. Therefore, in order to maintain their colonial dependence, the foreign owners of such enterprises try 1) not to take out the full production cycle abroad and 2) not to concentrate it in one place.
    The Chinese, for example, in such cases act more farsightedly. In such cases, they are not without reason trying to take advantage of such “swallow" enterprises in their own country in order to secretly "rip off" foreigners for themselves copies of all design developments and technological documentation for such high-tech products and then pass them off as minor changes their.
  38. Lenin 9 November 2015 09: 09 New
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    Thanks Tatyana, you are smart. I immediately remembered the example of Poland. How did the US bring Poland to its knees? They built enterprises with state-owned technologies and planted them on their raw materials. At first, everything was beautiful, and then bargaining began. No raw materials all enterprises are standing. So Poland has become docile for the United States. hi
  39. Down House 9 November 2015 13: 14 New
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    1. Enterprises of the “screwdriver assembly”, because they are organized as import-dependent on components from abroad.

    True, but not all.
    Localization of some brands reaches 80%.
    For example, GM had very low localization and it left our market, and for example, Ford is now putting domestic engines on some of its cars.
    But in general, of course, localization must be increased, and the depreciation of the ruble strangely helps in this.
    Quote: Tatiana
    The Chinese, for example, in such cases act more farsightedly.

    Of course, the Chinese are great.
    I will say more, almost all the enterprises in their country operate as Joint Ventures - but this is China, it can dictate its terms, we unfortunately apparently do not.
  40. Tatyana 9 November 2015 19: 25 New
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    Of course, the Chinese are great.
    I will say more, almost all the enterprises in their country operate as Joint Ventures - but this is China, it can dictate its terms, we unfortunately apparently do not.
    Dear Down House! Indeed, it all depends on the policies of the government economic bloc of each country. However, in China, Joint Ventures (JVs) are allowed into the country for several years and preferably with a full production cycle inside China itself, after which they should become the property of China or so.
    But the policy of the colonialists is always such that this does not happen. Therefore, after the passage of the years indicated by the agreement, the foreign owners of the joint venture, leaving the “colony”, one way or another destroy their part of the property in their “colony”, closing the production itself there.
    Therefore, for example, China’s policy regarding the dollar has changed - and what do we see? Namely, the recent series of explosions in China at several chemical joint ventures that practically destroyed production on them! You think it just happened? Nothing like this! This is what I draw your attention to when explaining the hidden policies of the neo-colonialists with their construction of joint ventures in the countries they colonize.
  41. VseDoFeNi 9 November 2015 11: 34 New
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    Oh, I can’t! laughing

    "Drink a purgen, it helps." Maxim Shevchenko.
  42. avia1991 8 November 2015 20: 54 New
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    Young man,

    laughing !!! Thank! hi
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    if this passed you by then I will tell you that Putin, having created a vertical of power, prevented the final collapse of Russia, ready for this collapse.

    Do I challenge the past merits of our President? I'm talking about today! And I judge by the results in the development of the country's economy that we have!
    I don’t think that many would object to the fact that Putin’s role in the “zero” was very positive - just remember that it is thanks to him that we have such a low external public debt.
    In addition, I can personally say: somewhere in 2004 or early 2005, I suddenly found myself thinking that I began to feel confident in the future: stability in the country, a pretty decent salary, which was not only enough for products .. people began to smile more smile

    All this was. But to rule "by inertia", only in the light of past merits - this is deadly for a politician. To show obvious INSUFFICIENCY, as it was in May last year, after the visit of Didier Burkhalter (on the issue of Donbass) - ALSO.

    Now about the "vertical of power." If you remember, Mr. Serdyukov is also from this vertical. As well as Messrs. Governors, mayors, miraculously caught in the field of view of law enforcement officers .. A HOW MUCH NOT GOT ?! What opened up on Sakhalin, in Nizhny, in Komi - in any subject of the Russian Federation is a generally accepted order! Local authorities "row" everything for themselves, and its "patriotism" is the defense of their right to "be at the feeding trough"!
    The same thing happens with industry, mineral resources, forests: thanks to the "attraction of foreign investment", some enterprises simply "go" into the ownership of foreigners, part - the lion's share of profits goes abroad, and part simply goes bankrupt - in particular, to eliminate competition. And this is in those conditions when the development of OWN industry is necessary, like air!
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    You, like your co-goods, look for it, this is great material for swamp and other Maidan under any sauce, since you don’t know how to think in principle and you don’t want to learn to think, considering yourself smarter than everyone else.
    That's for this - for rudeness, and the attempt to "think for another" - I will put you a minus. Although usually not a minus, I prefer to argue my disagreement. But outright neglect causes me a quite adequate reaction. Apparently, you think that you are the only patriot, and everyone who thinks otherwise is “material for Bolotnaya”? You may be surprised: I have never been to such events, and if I went, then on the other side, with the police. But to be a patriot, sir, does not mean to be blind and deaf!
    I have the honor!
  43. VseDoFeNi 9 November 2015 10: 28 New
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    And I judge by the results in the development of the country's economy that we have!

    For example.
    Exports fell in October by 3,6% versus 3,7% in September, which turned out to be worse than analysts had predicted to drop by 3,2%.

    In general, China's foreign trade in October fell by 9% - a drop recorded for the eighth consecutive month. P

    Judge further ...

    Quote: avia1991
    And this is in those conditions when the development of OWN industry is necessary, like air!

    Do not go to the cherished anti-Russian resources, but here, for example - http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/ You look and again there will be a reason for smiles. yes

    Quote: avia1991
    That's for this - for rudeness, and the attempt to "think for another" - I will put you a minus.

    With goose water ... If I needed pluses, I would write other comments. But Russia is dear to me, which some, by design, some by thoughtlessness, are trying to destroy for the third time in the last hundred years.

    Quote: avia1991
    But outright neglect causes me a quite adequate reaction.

    It's a shame not to those who are offended, but to those who consider themselves offended. hi

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    I have the honor!

    It is good and commendable. But the question arises of intelligence and conscience ... (see previous phrase)
  44. Lenin 8 November 2015 15: 45 New
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    Stop manipulating. Nobody is going to destroy the country. But to restore order and restore justice is simply vital, without this economic growth in the country would not be. Already from the 90s we have heard nothing blah blah, but in reality there is a looting of what was created by the people of the USSR under the Communists. If you continue to leave the shit in power, then liberalism will finally bring the economy and people of the country to complete impoverishment. But do not piss off the fight, we will be honest, by the same honest methods as shit democrats seized power in the 90th, only without the help of the USA. Why the hell are such "friends" to us, even if our current government is friends with them, they are Westerners .... Or gentlemen, are you against it? What scare you double European standards. Do not be afraid, we will try to do everything within the law, honestly, so to speak. But the thief should still sit, and not give numerous interviews and not paint pictures and memoirs ... hi
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    Quote: bubla5
    Without options

    What, for the third time in a hundred years, want to destroy your country?
    And even the experience of Ukraine does not add anything to you.


    And to these people of Holod only rob and yes to mock the crowd over those who can’t fight back! And learning to work is not better on the couch with beer nostalgic for the time about which you know nothing!
  46. Down House 7 November 2015 22: 35 New
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    Without options

    Well, let’s only without “scientists” - there was already such a rocking boat, the name was Sakharov.
  47. Lenin 8 November 2015 20: 11 New
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    Nevertheless, this man honestly worked for the state. And by the way, remember what he wanted to do with the most democratic country in the world. Sakharov can be respected only because he was honest and principled and did not change his beliefs like a weather vane.
  48. Down House 8 November 2015 22: 20 New
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    Sakharov can be respected only because he was honest and principled and did not change his beliefs

    But this is not important in this case, it is only important that, despite his talents and achievements in the field of science, he was completely incompetent in matters of politics.
    And this is the problem of so many famous people who have achieved success in their field and who start self-confidently flattery in those areas where they do not understand anything.
    PS. And do you know they say that the man was completely dependent on the opinion of his wife, so the question of his principle is whether you know that another question.
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  50. avia1991 8 November 2015 23: 13 New
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    And do you know they say that the man was completely dependent on the opinion of his wife,

    And they say that Putin has an affair with Kabaeva! tongue Believe in rumors less: it is very easy to confuse dependence with trustful marital relations, and respect for each other's interests.
  51. Down House 9 November 2015 00: 02 New
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    And they say that Putin

    That's just Putin is a man of the real world, and Sakharov is a genius-scientist, as a rule in the real world they may not remember where they have a refrigerator at home or that they did not cut their nails for 10 years (an example of the great Russian mathematician Perelman).
    Therefore, I would not be surprised at all if Sakharov’s wife “turned” him as she wanted, especially since she was an ambitious lady.
  52. Lenin 9 November 2015 08: 53 New
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    And don't lead me into temptation
    But deliver me from the evil one
  53. Lenin 9 November 2015 09: 25 New
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    So Ukraine stood on the same rake.


    11/08/2015, Kiev, Vladimir Raichenko
    Demography, Ukraine, Collapse Economics
    30 million Ukrainians must die or migrate for Abromavicius reforms to succeed

    The Ukrainian government, which has embarked on the deindustrialization of the country, is under the illusion that medium and small businesses will pull Ukraine out.

    Subscribe to the PolitNavigator – Kiev news on Facebook, Odnoklassniki or Vkontakte

    Such an opinion in an interview with the Kiev magazine "New time was expressed by Oleg Boyarin, owner of the car assembly company" Eurocar ".

    “Industry is of no interest to anyone,” he emphasizes. - There is an active de-industrialization: the country is being transformed, in fact, into an agrarian, raw-material appendage for the whole world. But Ukraine must be industrial. A country with a population of 40 million, engaged exclusively in agribusiness, will not be able to survive. She is doomed to poverty. ”

    The journalist of the publication, in turn, recalled the words of the Ukrainian Minister of Economics Abromavicius, who said that it is better to develop small and medium-sized businesses, and the production in Ukraine should be destroyed due to their inefficiency.

    “In 2013, 4,8 million people in Ukraine were involved in the real sector,” Boyarin objected in absentia to a polemic with the Minister of Economics. - These are the people who produced something. In 2014, their number amounted to 2 million. Of these, no more than 1 million are actually engaged in production. This is for the 40 millionth country. I don’t know what Mr. Abromavicius said, but I think that he is very far from understanding what the consequences for the economy are for this situation. ”

    “Because for the agricultural environment, the country's population should be no more than 10 million people,” the source said. “The remaining 30 million must die or migrate.” I think that the Minister of Economics is not at all worried about this. He has some kind of illusory idea that small and medium-sized businesses will fill this niche. ”
  54. Lenin 8 November 2015 15: 30 New
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    I respect you. It is a pity that such people become smaller every year.
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    He put a plus for beautiful words, but thought and decided that the whole beauty of the call not to pay taxes to the insane army of officials is not worthy of one fat and huge MINUS. Since ancient times, a rule has been known about a people who do not want to feed their army. However, there will be a new state with a new army, if only Russia would live.
  56. azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 34 New
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    These are the Alferov’s Jews and before the age of 17 they cleaned the brains of our people, and as a result of the revolution, the country was thrown back many years ago, the deaths of several tens of millions, and they are in power until the age of 37!
  • revnagan 7 November 2015 20: 13 New
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    ... and the policeman (city) receives a salary from a thief who robbed me. They will order the "gray cattle" and will shoot the worker. Well, what kind of police and "justice".
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Che for the people, sitting at home on the couch and yelling, they robbed me. robbed go to the police and write declare.

    But these sing, they robbed.
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    And who do the cops work for?
  • sabakina 7 November 2015 09: 35 New
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    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.

    It makes no difference to me what nationality the thief robbed me.

    It's a pity I can’t slam Romanov into a minus, ignores ...
    "Long live the Great October Socialist Revolution"
    How many years, and wonderful years, I have lived with this slogan ...

    We must watch a couple of revolutionary films.
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov 7 November 2015 10: 16 New
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      One of my elderly acquaintances, who refers to the "children of war" by age, once bitterly remarked: "But we lived under Communism and did not even notice !!!!"
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        My mom and aunt said so in the 90s ... Right now I'm afraid mom will say that again ...
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      Quote: sabakina
      It's a pity I can’t slam Romanov into a minus, ignores ...

      Scold, I do not ignore ... for now. hi

      1. Workers. The average wage of a worker in Russia was 37.5 rubles. We multiply this amount by 1282,29 (the ratio of the tsar to the modern ruble) and get the amount of 48085 thousand rubles for modern conversion.
      2. Janitor 18 rubles or 23081 p. on modern money
      3. Second lieutenant (modern analogue - lieutenant) 70 p. or 89 760 p. for modern money
      4. The town (ordinary police officer) 20, 5 p. or 26 287 p. on modern money
      5. Workers (Petersburg). It is interesting that the average salary in St. Petersburg was less and amounted to 1914 rubles 22 kopecks by 53. Multiply this amount by 1282,29 and get 28890 Russian rubles.
      6.Kuharka 5 - 8 p. or 6.5.-10 thousand for modern money
      7. Elementary school teacher 25 p. or 32050 p. on modern money
      8. The teacher of the gymnasium 108 970 p. for modern money
      9. Senior janitor 40 p. or 51 297 p. for modern money
      10. The round-the-guard (modern analogue-section) 50 p. or 64 for modern money
      11. Paramedic 40 p. or 51280 p.
      12. Colonel 325 p. or 416 744 p. for modern money
      13. College assessor (middle class official) 62 p. or 79 502 p. for modern money
      14. Privy Councilor (official of the highest class) 500 or 641 145 for modern money. The same amount received by the army general

      And how much, you ask, then cost products? A pound of meat in 1914 cost 19 kopecks. Russian pound weighed gram 0,40951241. It means that a kilogram, if it were a measure of weight, would have cost 46,39 kopecks - 0,359 gram of gold, that is, in current money, 551 ruble 14 kopecks. Thus, a worker could buy a kilogram of meat for his salary 48,6, if he wanted to, of course.
      Wheat flour 0,08 p. (8 kopecks) = 1 pound (0,4 kg)
      Figure pound 0,12 p. = 1 pound (0,4 kg)
      Biscuit 0,60 p. = 1 pound (0,4 kg)
      Milk 0,08 r. = 1 bottle
      Tomatoes 0,22 p. = 1 pound
      Fish (pike perch) 0,25 p. = 1 pound
      Grapes (raisins) 0,16 p. = 1 pound
      Apples 0,03 p. = 1 pound


      And think about a simple question - WHY did the Bolsheviks destroy the Russian fleet?
      1. onix757 7 November 2015 11: 05 New
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        And think about a simple question - WHY did the Bolsheviks destroy the Russian fleet?

        Maybe for this:
        1. Right to an eight-hour work day. For the first time in the world in the history of mankind.
        2. The right to annual paid leave. For the first time in the history of mankind.
        3. The impossibility of dismissing an employee on the initiative of the administration or the owner without the consent of the trade union and party organization.
        4. The right to work. Moreover, graduates of special vocational schools had the right to compulsory employment in the labor direction with the provision of housing in the form of a hostel or apartment.
        5. The right to free general and vocational education. Moreover, both secondary vocational education and higher education.
        6. The right to free use of kindergartens: kindergartens, kindergartens, pioneer camps
        7. The right to free medical care.
        8. The right to free spa treatment.
        9. The right to free housing.
        10. The right to freely express one’s views on all the problems of modern life in the country.
        11. The right to protect the state from the arbitrariness of local bosses and officials.
        12. The right to free travel to the place of work or study under an individual travel document paid by the state.
      2. Dart2027 7 November 2015 11: 23 New
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        And where does the fleet?
      3. onix757 7 November 2015 11: 26 New
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        I don’t know. But in any case, the fleet of tsarist Russia did not fit the fleet of the USSR
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        In any case, the tsarist fleet of the USSR fleet was not suitable for soles

        Walking widely, as if your pants would not be torn ... Read about the Battle of Moonsund or at least watch the old film “Baltic Glory”, read the book by V.S. Pikul “Moonzund”, and maybe belatedly realize that got excited with your statement ...
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        Quote: V.ic
        belatedly understand that got excited with your statement ...

        What did your opponent get excited about? How many “Bayerns” did the Kaiser have at Moonsund (even according to Pikul?) And what could the Russian fleet counterpose to them? Where was the battleship brigade (4 pieces)? “Glory” and “Citizen” performed their honor with honor duty, but they were morally obsolete ships, and they could not close fight with the Fritz on equal terms!
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        Quote: revnagan
        What did your opponent get excited about?

        Point me to the battle of the RKKF and Kriegsmarine comparable to Moonsund, and I will be grateful to you. If you are embarrassed to share wisdom on this thread, then unsubscribe "in PM." hi
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      and you remember Tsushima!
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      Quote: free
      and you remember Tsushima!
      And do not forget about the Sinope battle, the Tendra battle, the battle at Cape Gangut, etc.
  • Dart2027 7 November 2015 17: 07 New
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    I don't know.

    That is the question.
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    Tsarist navy fleet of the USSR was not suitable for soles

    Watching for what period.
  • Vladimir Pozlnyakov 7 November 2015 12: 02 New
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    How? In the garden elderberry, and in Kiev uncle!
  • bandabas 7 November 2015 11: 16 New
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    Judging by your arguments, there was Utopia in Russia. And think about a simple question- WHO organized the February Revolution? The Bolsheviks did not smell there. And after February 1917, the same liberals began to destroy the country. They wanted to cut down the easy money and sell everything. And mind you. Almost everyone who participated in this quickly escaped from the country.
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    Quote: bandabas
    Judging by your arguments, there was Utopia in Russia.

    In tsarist Russia there were definitely advantages, but only supporters of it always forget (or basically do not want to remember) that there were MUCH more minuses!
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    In tsarist Russia there were definitely advantages, but only supporters of it always forget (or basically do not want to remember) that there were MUCH more minuses!

    Did the Bolsheviks tell you this?
  • Down House 8 November 2015 14: 40 New
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    Did the Bolsheviks tell you this?

    This is the real state of things.
    I will sketch you a little fact.
    1. In the total industrial production of the five leading powers of the planet, the share of Russia of the 1913 model was, according to various estimates, 4-5%.
    2. In 1917, the country had 70 kilometers of railways. In the USA already in 260 there were 1890 kilometers. In addition, most railways were single-track
    3. In the USA by 1920 there were 20 thousand tractors, while in Russia by 1917 there were only 1500, only 11% of which were domestically produced.
    4. In 1912, there were 100 free beds, 000 doctors, 158 paramedics and 13 midwives per 17 people. In 17, 1916% of those who died from cholera died from typhus - all 45%.
    5. The main revenue item of the tsarist budget from 1906 to 1913 was a monopoly on vodka hi
  • saturn.mmm 8 November 2015 11: 46 New
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    The Bolsheviks did not smell there.

    Did it really stink?
    What, the Bolsheviks decided to blame everything on Kerinsky? All in th .. outside and are they in white?
  • BMP-2 7 November 2015 11: 57 New
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    Well yes. Only one small touch: Russia at that time was a country AGRARIAN. So, the listed 14 points are completely not indicative and characterize the situation at that time no more than the average temperature in the hospital ...
  • Down House 7 November 2015 23: 31 New
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    Well yes. Only one small touch: Russia at that time was a country AGRARIAN.

    Namely, there were very few professional workers in the Russian Federation, almost an insignificant amount.
    And the bulk of the workers were "nonprofessionals" and earned amounts that were clearly not named by them, otherwise they would not have stood at the machine tools as whole families including children.
  • Vladimir Pozlnyakov 7 November 2015 12: 00 New
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    In Soviet times, one man measured his passport with a ruler in all respects (length, width, diagonal) and, to his amazement, found that these values ​​correlate with the parameters of the Cheops pyramid!
    I just didn’t take into account, poor fellow, that during the construction of the pyramids in Egypt there was still no metric system!
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    I just didn’t take into account, poor fellow, that during the construction of the pyramids in Egypt there was still no metric system!

    This is where - what kind of crap?
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    these values ​​correspond with the parameters of the Cheops pyramid!

    Therefore = monumental! What did you want?
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    I just didn’t take into account, poor fellow, that during the construction of the pyramids in Egypt there was still no metric system!

    In the United States, England, it is still not there; everything measures it in inches and miles.
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    You yourself are sculpting a hunchbacked here, it was all in the capital, and now in Moskvobod there are roughly such salaries, and in the regions everything is average according to the salary of the minister + yours and all this in half
  • larand 7 November 2015 13: 39 New
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    [quote = VseDoFeNi]
    1. Workers. The average wage of a worker in Russia was 37.5 rubles. We multiply this amount by 1282,29 (the ratio of the tsar to the modern ruble) and get the amount of 48085 thousand rubles for modern conversion.
    2. Janitor 18 rubles or 23081 p. for modern money ....... and other bullshit [quote]

    Well, so you gentleman think, what did people give bourgeois benefactors in the ass from such a luxurious and rich life?
  • Down House 7 November 2015 23: 33 New
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    Well, so you gentleman think, what did people give bourgeois benefactors in the ass from such a luxurious and rich life?

    Because these are not calculations, but crap!
    There is such a thing - as an index of purchasing power, so it’s necessary to compare it, and not transfer the tsar’s ruble to the Russian one according to FIG understand what fictitious rate fellow
  • Darkness 7 November 2015 14: 15 New
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    Another lover of French rolls. Where are you all climbing from?
    This mantra has long been sucked and thrown away
  • RUSS 8 November 2015 10: 02 New
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    Quote: Darkness
    Another lover of french bread

    Do you often mention this baking, but you yourself know what these things are? And by the way, can you tell me the address where they are baked? I'll try at least. laughing
  • The centurion 7 November 2015 15: 11 New
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    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    And think about a simple question.

    In truth, the figures of the welfare of the people with the king are not very impressed. The salary of workers in our factory is really lower than with the king, the average 34 sput. But here the prices you quoted for the familiar 1 kg are impressive. Meat - 600р, flour - 256р, apples - 96р, rice - 384р. Just come from the store. I bought: in Arianthe a shovel without bone in 229р, in Dixie apples in 49,9р, milk in 35р per liter, in Magnet steamed rice in 52р, flour in / s in 40,7р per package 2кг.
    So it seems then rebelled knowingly.
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    But the prices you quoted for the usual 1 kg are impressive. Meat - 600 rubles, flour - 256 rubles, apples - 96 rubles, rice - 384 rubles. Just came from the store. Bought: in Ariant, a boneless shoulder blade at 229 rubles, in Dixie apples at 49,9 rubles, milk at 35 rubles per liter, rice steamed in Magnet at 52 rubles, premium flour at 40,7 rubles for a package of 2 kg.

    So I say.
    “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
    And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

    Quote: Centurion
    So it seems then rebelled knowingly.

    Riot during the war. it is a betrayal of their country and their people, which resulted in ten and a half million victims of the Civil War. You then add Vlasov, Shukhevych and Bandera to your idols. They also betrayed their people. fool fool fool
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    So it seems then rebelled knowingly.

    It would be like in your country capitalism which the Bolsheviks overthrew.
    It was fun to read your comment.
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    Strange ... I currently have a salary of 50000 r with the cost of meat in our market 380 r. - beef. Only I work in the family, as in the family of a simple worker before the revolution. It happened. family of 3 people. Meat flour is good, but you still have to pay rent, dress, pay for additional / education of the child. In general, everything is as before the revolution.
    And the same as then: irregular working hours, lack of trade unions, vacation is not guaranteed, there is a constant probability of reduction, there is no guarantee that another job can be expected, because it is not with a decent salary, pay for tuition, pay for treatment, pay, resort sanatorium treatment - well, if only at your own expense, free housing - what are you talking about ?, personal safety is a fairy tale, free travel is a fairy tale even for pensioners and heroes of labor and war!
    Now it’s clear why it happened, what happened.
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    In general, everything is as before the revolution.
    And the same as then: irregular working hours, the absence of trade unions, vacation is not guaranteed, there is a constant probability of reduction, there is no guarantee that another job will come.

    In general, an obvious analogy can be traced .. which means that the logical conclusion is obvious:
    Quote: Stroporez
    Repeat the 17th and restore Soviet power!
    The question is, WHO is today ready to become "Bolsheviks"? Among the existing political forces such, it seems, is not traced .. what
  • VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 07: 17 New
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    The question is, WHO is today ready to become "Bolsheviks"?

    And destroy another ten million Russians? That's just the Anglo-Saxons with the Chinese and Japanese rejoice !!! fool
  • 34 region 8 November 2015 13: 15 New
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    Well, 30 million will die out. They did not fit into the market. Authorship is attributed to Chubais. After the year 91-93, how many people did we lose?
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    And destroy another ten million Russians?

    But did this number die in civilian life? You didn’t confuse it with the First World War?
    In addition, our "partners" - the British, Germans, Americans and others like them - provided active "assistance" in the destruction of the Red Army. So you don’t have to blame it on your health!
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    ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF OWN POPULATION I WOULD BE BETTER AT YOUR PLACE.
    Lost population growth of the Russian Federation for 1990 - 2013 40 million people
    Vladimir Efimov wrote November 29, 2011, 23:20
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    Let’s evaluate the results of the government’s activities - the demographic situation in the Russian Federation.
    Compared with the RSFSR for 1960 - 1989, the lost natural population growth of the Russian Federation for 1990 - 2013 was approximately 40 million people.
    Lost population growth in the Russian Federation

    According to the first calculation method for 1990 - September 2014

    If we compare the change in the population of the Russian Federation and the United States of America since January 1, 1990, the lost population growth of the Russian Federation amounted to approximately 47,3 million people.
    The US population was: as of 01.01.1990, 248737000 people (http://demoscope.ru/weekly/app/app4001.php), 02.10.2014 316,801 million people (http://countrymeters.info/ru / United_States_of_America_ (USA) /), that is, increased by 68,064 million people, which is 27,36%. Natives of other countries make up 12% of the US resident population (http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2008/0335/barom04.php).
    The permanent population of the Russian Federation was: as of 01.01.1990, 147665081 people (http://www.gks.ru/scripts/db_inet/dbinet.cgi?pl=2403012), as of 02.10.2014, 143,872 million people (http : //demoscope.ru/weekly/app/popclock/popclock.php). That is, over 24 years and 9 months it decreased by 3,793 million people, which is 2,57%.
    If in the Russian Federation from 01.01.1990/02.10.2014/188 an increase in the population would be the same percentage as in the United States, then on 24, the permanent population of the Russian Federation would be 9 million people. Compared to the United States, the lost population growth of the Russian Federation over 44,2 years and XNUMX months is XNUMX million people.
  • Lenin 9 November 2015 12: 18 New
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    According to the second calculation method for 1990 - 2013

    The population of the Russian Federation as of 01.01.1990 was 147665081 people. From January 1, 1990 to December 31, 2013, over 24 people died more than were born in 12919515 years. That is, as of December 31, 2013, from 147665081 people remained 134745566 people. Of these, approximately five million people have moved to other countries. Therefore, from 134745566 people in the Russian Federation, perhaps 130 million people remained. These are those residents of the Russian Federation who lived in the Russian Federation on January 1, 1990, and their descendants. The remaining permanent residents of the Russian Federation are migrants who moved to the Russian Federation after January 1, 1990.
    The number of permanent population of the Russian Federation as of 01.01.2014 was 143657134 people.
    During the reign of Vladimir Putin from January 1, 2000 to December 31, 2013, over 14 more people died than were born in 7484458 years.
    Among those born, there are children of migrants. But their calculation is difficult to take into account.
    Between 1960 and 1989, the population of the Russian Federation at the expense of those born and died on average increased by 0,7104% per year. If for 1990 - 2013 the increase in the population of the Russian Federation on average was 0,7104% annually, then by December 31, 2013 the population would be approximately 175 million people. (Calculation: 147665081 x 1,007104 in 24 degrees = 147665081 x 1,18518 = 175). Compared with the RSFSR, the lost natural population growth of the Russian Federation for 1990 - 2013 was approximately 40 million people. (175-134,7 = 40,3).
    This method does not take into account the migration change in population.
    The calculations were made according to Rosstat.
    The 2010 census showed that seven major indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation were dying out: the Udmurts, Chuvashs, Mordovians, Mari, Bashkirs, Tatars, Russians. Pay attention - the indigenous peoples of the republics located in one locality nearby died out. All peoples live in one country, some peoples die out, and others multiply rapidly. So, there are reasons that lead to the extinction of these seven peoples.
    In the RSFSR and the Russian Federation in 1992, for the first time, the number of deaths exceeded the number of births. Exceeding the number of deceased the number of births could only be in 1941 - 1944 during the war. Even in 1945, the natural increase was 365,7 thousand people.
    Natural population growth
  • Lenin 9 November 2015 12: 20 New
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    The definition of Rosstat: "The natural population growth is equal to the difference in the numbers of births and deaths." This definition does not at all reflect the essence of the ongoing processes; on the contrary, it is deceiving. Rosstat agreed to the fact that in the Russian Federation a natural population decline. Exceeding the number of dead people born is never natural. It is only natural that the number of people born exceeds the number of deaths.
    In my opinion, the country's population growth should be considered natural only when there is no war, people do not use contraceptives, women do not have abortions, the rulers of the country do not pursue a policy of genocide, people who have attained the age of 18 have normal housing for themselves and their future children, there is no unemployment in the country, people earn so much as to ensure normal living conditions for themselves and their children, good working conditions, quality medical care.
    Wikipedia List of countries by natural population growth

    As of 2014, out of 224 countries, the natural increase for the year was:
    in 50 countries from 2 to 3,34%,
    in 73 countries from 1 to 2%,
    in 33 countries from 0,5 to 1%,
    in 42 countries from 0 to 0,5%.
    In 26 countries, the population has decreased from 0 to 0,631%.
    In the list, Russia ranks 198th out of 224 countries - an increase of 0,02%, according to the CIA in 211st places - a decrease of 0,196%.
    In 2010, the natural increase was: in 55 countries from 2 to 3,66%, in 72 countries from 1 to 2%.
    In my opinion, it is natural to consider the increase in the country's population by 2 - 3,5% per year. If the natural increase is less than 2%, then the activities of the rulers should be considered not in accordance with the interests of the people.
    The natural increase in the population of the Russian Federation should be 2 - 3,5% per year. This is 3 - 5 million people a year. In the Russian Federation, the natural population growth should be at least 1,5 million people per year.
    Causes

    In my opinion, the following main reasons led to a demographic catastrophe in the Russian Federation: a sharp deterioration in the living standards of the working people, a significant decrease in housing construction after 1991, inaccessibility of housing for most residents of the Russian Federation due to low incomes, poor organization of medical institutions, payment system the work of doctors, which does not stimulate the conscientious work of doctors, the lack of proper control over the work of doctors and paid medical care.
  • free 8 November 2015 09: 26 New
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    no revolution is needed, but the restoration of the TIPS is necessary!
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    There is a Council of the European Union, but no Soviet Union. It turns out we refused, the Europeans took over.
  • Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 17: 08 New
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    no revolution is needed, but the restoration of the TIPS is necessary!
    So such a restoration will be a revolution laughing

    Revolution - (from late Lat. Revolutio - turn - coup), deep quality changes in the development of any phenomena of nature, society or knowledge.
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    And think about a simple question - WHY did the Bolsheviks destroy the Russian fleet?

    Don’t lose your nonsense. You might think that at the time of your beloved SELF-KEEPER, the Russian fleet gained priority in development over the army. Remember when it was equal in power to at least the Gochseeflotte, not to mention the Grandfleet? installations, machines, optics and becoming obsolete even on slipways, because there is no money for completion, but there are diamonds for lovers.
    After the revolution of 17 years, the new government did not have trivial means to build an ocean fleet. Yes, and why was it needed then? The military doctrine believed that war was to be waged on land theaters of the airborne forces, and the armies had to abut the Baltic and Black Seas, where they had to SUPPORT them fleet. And by the way, in the 80s of the 20th century the USSR had an ocean fleet. And if it weren’t for the betrayal of the liberals and the hunchback, who knows, maybe aircraft carriers would fly across the ocean under a red (Soviet, not Chinese) flag.
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    I will add- “Novik” is the pride of the RIF — German construction and machines, “Ishmaels” could not be completed — part of the mechanisms (for example, balls in the towers) were ordered in Austria-Hungary, etc.
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    Yeah. Everyone was absolutely full and satisfied.
    The liberals continuously put into the minds of Russian citizens the idea that the Orthodox were oppressed, or even starved, mainly only in the Soviet Union. And all that was before and after socialism is God's Grace. Millions of Russian peasants who died of starvation during droughts and crop failures, which occurred in tsarist Russia with unenviable constancy, apparently do not count.
    Hunger in Russia is a disease that cannot be cured, at least from October 31 to 1765. It was then that Empress Catherine II signed, perhaps, her most historical paper. In it, she set the task of finally finding measures to "fix agriculture".
    In the nineteenth century, Russia experienced 40 periods of famine. In the XX century were hungry: 1901-1902 gg., 1905; 1906; 1907; 1908 g .; 1911-1912 years. In the 1901-1902 years, the 49 provinces were starving, in the 1905; 1906; 1907; 1908 starved from 19 to 29 provinces, in 1911-1912 years. for two years, the famine swept 60 provinces. 48 million people were on the brink of death.
    So, for example, in a memo addressed to Alexander the Third, dated 1882 year, the following was said: “Losses alone amounted to two million Orthodox souls.».
    From a report to Nicholas II in 1901: “In the winter 1900-1901 years. 42 million people were starving, of which 3 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls died».
    From the report of Stolypin to Nicholas II in 1911: “Starving 32 million, losses 3 million 235 thousand people". Modestly, as about something ordinary.
    According to various estimates in 1901-1912 years. more than 12 million people died from hunger and its consequences.
    Quote from Alexander Kurlandchik’s book “Cursed Soviet Power” and reforms in Russia, on Prose. RU.
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    Now tell me how you calculated these amounts?
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    Well, + from the principle ... The man gave specific numbers ... If not true, prove and minus ... But numbers - in mathematics, they are numbers ...
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    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    And think about a simple question - WHY did the Bolsheviks destroy the Russian fleet?

    For a long time already thought and understood.
    The Germans hunted for the fleet.
    This is the result of the collapse of the army ...
    I foresee the screams - This is the Bolsheviks ruined ....
    I want to add: the Ural Mountains too?

    In order not to go into the little things.
    The whites and the revisionists tried to ruin the Red Army. - White fell apart ...

    Hitler and others like him were breaking up the Red Army too. Tried right up to May 9, 1945. - The result is a monument to the Soviet soldier in Berlin.

    Even the Soviet army in 1991 cannot be considered ruined - the country fell apart, and the Soviet army was controlled and was ready to fulfill any order. And if this order was ... The history of the 21st century would be less bloody and sad.

    So do not regret the year 1913.
    You didn’t live then, and you don’t know how difficult it was - to live in St. Petersburg for 650 rubles a year.
    This is me specifically about my great-grandfather.
    He began as a young man in Turkish in the Guards Crew - both specialist ferries on the Danube.
    I went to Rynd in the Pacific for almost 3 years. Learned to be a medicinal assistant. He retired from this position. had a family with 7 children. Retirement was accompanied by the assignment of the next rank, so great-grandfather went to grade 9 (lieutenant) and received personal nobility.
    His pension is 650 rubles per year - checked by orders of the Maritime Department.
    They didn’t live on the chic, most importantly - they lived with the carriage - you can say in the barracks. Now it is Decembrists Avenue.
    I would like to listen to his great three-story building, about how he lived richly.

    And, most importantly, you count, please, those peasants who did not receive salaries or salaries, but lived by selling what you so sweetly listed as cheap food.

    My second half is from the Kalinin village.
    Their mothers about a happy life - it would be a poem.
  • Lenin 9 November 2015 17: 27 New
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    Thank. My great-grandmother was not from the poor, great-great was a merchant, lived in St. Petersburg in those days, from her words it was not so sweet, even the saying was Peter, Peter - wiped all sides. The bars were different, both good and bad, but it was they, the bars, that led to the emergence of a revolutionary situation. The people actually suffered from a difficult life, and the bars mostly fooled from well-fed, for which they were punished in 1917. And that situation in 1917 is somewhat reminiscent of the current one. hi
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    We must watch a couple of revolutionary films.

    "heroes" must know in person - belay
    as I understand it arrowman comrades ??? what
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      "heroes" must know in person -
      as I understand it arrowman comrades ???

      everything is exactly the same as in Ukraine they say and spoke before the Maidan!
      They also shouted down the oligarchs, and after the Maidan, the oligarchs settled in the chairs of ministers, presidents, governors, etc. This once again proves that Strelkov with his "Russian world" is the same "euromaidan" only in Russia, in this video people say the words "maidan", respectively, people from the west are behind them!
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      Quote: YARS
      Shooters with his "Russian world" is the same "euromaidan" only in Russia, in this video people say the words "maidan", respectively, people from the west are behind them!

      I agree 100%
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      Quote: YARS
      This once again proves that Strelkov with his "Russian world" is the same "euromaidan" only in Russia, in this video people say the words "maidan", respectively, people from the west are behind them!

      I DO NOT THINK EVERYTHING IS SO SIMPLE.
      1. Shooters fought for a just cause. And it justifies a lot in his actions. At least personally I do not presume to blame him.
      2. Strelkov reconstructor is a patriotic, useful business, ... and again a positive characteristic.
      3. I do not know how he got into the White Guards, but this is his right: everyone wants to think about their personal ancestors, even one whose ancestors served in the White Guard units or earned lackeys from the bourgeoisie.
      4. The surrender of Slavyansk, and as a result of a significant part of the DPR, this is a very big failure. It’s still not clear to me exactly why this happened ... According to the reports that the whole world differed from Strelkov, it could be concluded that he was waiting for personal support almost personally from Putin, and to a lesser extent I do not agree ... That is, then, indefatigable ambition began to appear, but simply careerism and, perhaps, even leaderism.
      This was especially noticeable against the background of the behavior of the true leader - A. Brain. Although he did not hold Lysychansk ...
      5. Personally, I believe that nobody bought Strelkov, that he does not want to serve the West.
      But his actions, and, most importantly, words from Moscow, very smoothly fit into the general outline of the anti-Putin campaign.
      And here Strelkov is wrong.
      This is not to the point that V.V. Putin is doing the right thing in everything ... But in a bourgeois state, when in any situation whoever you choose, the authorities will always have money bags or their proxies, V.V. Putin maneuvers with some reverence to the people, which in the long run leaves a chance to create a truly people's state.
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    "7 November - Day of something very big, Soviet such". So called a holiday two elderly aunts from" Burnt by the Sun. "And, probably, today the new generation also perceives November 7.

    And in our time it was one of the best holidays. Many liked him, especially the children. And the point is not in the October plot, it was just the least remembered at the table, but in that very feeling of real unity, which we now don’t feel fully.

    It was rather family daywhen all the relatives gathered together, rejoiced at each other, gave presents, sang absolutely non-revolutionary songs and danced. Of all the country's reproducers, in spite of November, Moscow May rushed in and the mood was the same.

    Yes, red prevailed. Large paper carnations, flags, balls, ribbons. But it is in the streets, during processions. And at home, the TV was black and white, it was not symbolic, all the news was good, the films were good, the music was happy.

    Now there are no such holidays.
  • saturn.mmm 8 November 2015 11: 36 New
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    We must watch a couple of revolutionary films.

    So why didn’t they live on?
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      Quote: saturn.mmm
      Quote: sabakina
      We must watch a couple of revolutionary films.

      So why didn’t they live on?

      Why, personally, I try to maintain a lifestyle in the USSR.
      And in terms of films, my favorite revolutionary is “We are from Kronstadt,” I watch about annually.
      And even more often than others, I review "The Seven Brave", "Height", "My Love", "Tractor Drivers", "Sailing to the Shore" ....
      Maybe that's why I didn’t run wild ....
  • Turkir 8 November 2015 20: 15 New
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    You probably mean not high salaries, but stability.
    You could plan your budget and not be afraid of a sharp increase in prices.
  • Setrac 9 November 2015 12: 52 New
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    Given that the salary was sixty rubles - nothing good.
  • hedgehog in the fog 7 November 2015 16: 12 New
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    nobles, intelligentsia, teaching, engineers, professors who didn’t have time to physically destroy everyone left the ships, the tsar’s family was destroyed, everything was destroyed, the country was mired in barbarism and robberies, how many peasants were rotten, destroyed agriculture and this was all covered by tall and beautiful slogans, Yes, and they could not rob you, firstly serfdom was not there then, and secondly you were not born then
    1. skifd 7 November 2015 18: 36 New
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      Quote: hedgehog in the fog
      hedgehog in the fog


      Yes, and they could not rob you, firstly serfdom was then no longer


      Well, damn it ... I suggest you "get out of the gloom", because you really are "in the fog" .. Liberal .. I can’t judge what’s there, in a "sovereign", but in Russia there really was a "rollback" to the "pre-October" state state. And even according to the "historical information" kindly provided by Mr. Romanov, and according to the glow of literally "war" imposed on the country by the new liberals, but "they could not rob you"- but now what they are doing (doing) ????? As before! And about"firstly serfdom was no longer then"- that’s why they are Prokhorovs (together with liberoids) in order to" justify ", accept and introduce! And what do you think, they will not bother with the" power "??? wassat "Do not tell my slippers" (c) .. There is concern for the "moshna" .. Well, "secondly you were not born then"- so we have a" live "in this" fascinating, interesting "time ..
      1. hedgehog in the fog 7 November 2015 19: 09 New
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        how can you compare the current liberal riffraff, with the nobility of the Russian empire ??? why are you cheating? and for the Bolsheviks I will say in the words of my great-grandmother, told to my mother, where your Lenin came, they went Balsheviks, they took away karou, they took out the whiskers of the hut, dzeda and the barn pastavili, they didn’t spread the ice, I’m fist too long work, and the peacock tipper on the usla aglaedau is better than work. and how many people were shot, how many rotted in the camps, the end justifies the means ?? damn the Bolsheviks who brought grief to millions of people, do not equal Russia and the Bolsheviks, it should be the successor of the morals and traditions of Tsarist Russia.
      2. skifd 7 November 2015 20: 10 New
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        Quote: hedgehog in the fog
        how can you compare the current liberal riffraff, with the nobility of the Russian empire ???


        Oh-oh-yo-yo-yo-yo! Well then get so excited .. Just imagine, I’m damn, with noble roots. According to the father. And what ?! Remember Volodya. Well, "Lenin" which. Not a "nobleman" ?? Remember the surnames (yours and the "red" commanders-commanders) - do you remember anything "blue blood" there? Completeness. It was in the "Bolsheviks" whom you disliked, and in the "Februaryists", and in the then "liberal riffraff", oh ... what "total" number of "mentioned" you ... Troubles does not divide into "estates", she gives birth chaos . But when in chaos someone starts to "tidy", then organizes all according to their preferences (in this version, excuse me of course, according to the chosen ideological model) "History has no subjunctive mood" (c). Yes, one of my great-grandfathers was "amazed at the rights." Another was deprived of a strong (very) economy. You can torment yourself with all kinds of "if ...", but only in addition to paranoia it will bring nothing. Whatever my ancestors experienced (and, believe me, their life was oh, how "not sweet"), they did not convey to me either hatred of the "Bolsheviks" or hostility towards the USSR. I was born in this country, and according to the "spirit" I stayed in it, no matter how recently it was poured with mud. Just the Soviet Union-it was more than even now Russia. You can discuss as much as you like now, but it was an attempt to make the world a better place. And in something at that moment she succeeded. But then ... "There are few real violent (ideological) ..." (c). Something like this ..
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        Just imagine, I'm a pancake, with noble roots.

        Imagine me too.
        And although I have the full “moral right” to nostalgia for the monarchy and rolls - I will not.
        Because to deny the fact that the rag-king brought the country to grips, that the "aristocracy" degenerated from the color of the nation to hell, and the Bolsheviks turned out to be the only force that was able to save the country and build the first and foremost state in all this mess aimed at the benefit of a simple person - only the insane can deny!
    2. 34 region 8 November 2015 13: 28 New
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      Well, you give a hedgehog! All the workers were shot, and the speakers were left! And who then raised the country? Talking?
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      Hedgehog is not out of fog, our hedgehog is a campaign from western Ukraine.
  • Down House 7 November 2015 23: 41 New
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    steamers left the nobles, intelligentsia, doctrine, engineers, professors who did not have time to physically destroyed everyone

    Engineers and professors are perfectly settled under the Soviet regime - remember the same Tsiolkovsky.
    As for the rest of the “intellectuals,” those who departed by the “legendary steamboat” were perfectly settled in the European countries, for the most part, by dishwashers and janitors, which in general does not need comment.
    1. hedgehog in the fog 8 November 2015 07: 27 New
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      where noblemen do not spit, nada, well then I’m a descendant of Prince Potemkin
    2. VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 07: 53 New
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      Quote: hedgehog in the fog
      where noblemen do not spit, nada, well then I’m a descendant of Prince Potemkin

      Take higher, colleague, Prophetic Oleg !!! laughing

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      Quote: hedgehog in the fog
      where noblemen do not spit, nada, well then I’m a descendant of Prince Potemkin

      What's so funny? Nobody says that the princes gathered here laughing
      In the nobility initially there is nothing "particularly outstanding."
      For example, in the army, personal nobility was given to officers, hereditary was given for the “colonel" or if you were a 3rd officer and had an order.
      And by the way, there was nothing wrong with this idea of ​​an estate state — to respect, it was not enough to become a “nouveau riche” - it was assumed that in order to receive "benefits" (the same privileged upbringing of noble children), a family should devote not a single generation to serving the State and the Homeland, and this is the transfer of “combat experience” from father to son and, accordingly, completely different upbringing and culture and attitude to the case of the child and future officer.
      And it’s a completely different matter that this very “nobility” (mainly titled) degenerated for the most part, and the ordinary people who remained “left behind” lived in openly bestial conditions.
      They would give ordinary people a normal living wage, normal social elevators and everything would be smooth, because ordinary people weren’t worried that the children of the officers were taught separately from the children of the peasants (and they demanded by the way much more), and that it was commonplace for these peasants to eat there was nothing!
    4. Turkir 8 November 2015 20: 28 New
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      As mentioned above, according to the census of 1897, there were 1 hereditary nobles in the Russian Empire.
      ....
      As you know, Russian law knows several sources of noble nobility, and the main one of them, or, as prof. Korkunov, the “normal” way of acquiring it is public service⁵ *. The vast majority of the now existing nobles are former officials or their descendants and, in general, people who have been in the public service, civil or military. According to the law, the rank of a real state adviser (IV class), and even for the colonel and captain of the 1st rank in the military and naval departments, give hereditary nobility.
      ....
      But next to the extinction of the nobility of the patrimonial and especially titled and in the opposite direction, the process of reproduction of the hereditary nobility through the official and military environment was and is ongoing.

      It is necessary to distinguish between tribal and hereditary nobility. And then arguing without understanding who and what means or implies is pointless.
      That is, first understand what kind of nobility in question. Ufff ...
      Quote from an interesting site --- http://istmat.info/node/24426
      I think that this site will interest you.
    5. Down House 8 November 2015 22: 27 New
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      And then arguing without understanding who and what means or implies is pointless.

      Are you talking to me?))
      I understand that the majority of people think that nobles are necessarily “counts” of the Abramovich level - but this is not so, I wrote that.
      And what exactly did you want to tell me, I did not quite understand, I was wrong in something in your opinion?
  • saturn.mmm 8 November 2015 11: 33 New
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    It makes no difference to me what nationality the thief robbed me.

    Those who were plundered by the Bolsheviks for the most part created their fortunes by labor and mind, then the Bolsheviks fooled people for 70 years and at the end robbed their people, they became capitalists. From the revolution, one harm to the Russian people, in St. Petersburg, manufacturers for workers built houses so the workers still live there.
    Who robbed you Putilov or Morozov?
  • Russian Uzbek 7 November 2015 10: 14 New
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    mostly Jews
    1. Turkestan 7 November 2015 11: 13 New
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      What kind of country was the Russian Empire if it was destroyed by a LOT of Jews ???
      1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov 7 November 2015 12: 20 New
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        Long before the revolutions in Russia at the World Zionist Congress, the chairman of the congress, ZHOLONDKOVSKY, proposed a resolution unanimously supported by delegates.
        The meaning of the resolution was that in order to create a Jewish state it is necessary to choose a European country with the maximum possible development of a revolutionary situation! Unfortunately, Russia turned out to be such a country! For the same purpose, a wave of unsuccessful revolutions swept through Germany and Hungary ... Since the defeat of Hazarat by the Russians, only Israel managed to realize the "cherished dream"! Sorry I did not have time!
        There is a bike that before the death of I.V. Stalin, after asking the Jewish delegation to allocate Crimea and the Kuban in order to realize the "cherished dream", asked how many the USSR sheltered these refugees from Hitler from Europe. After the answer, about 350 thousand. He ordered them to make lists and to allocate them a NEW LAND!
      2. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 12: 30 New
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        Quote: Turkestan
        What kind of country was the Russian Empire if it was destroyed by a LOT of Jews ???

        What kind of country was such a USSR if a bunch of Jews ruined it ???
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        if it collapsed a LOT of Jews ???

        Dear Kirla Myrla (with a beard), in his immortal scripture “The Communist Party Manifesto” wisely said: “international power is capital” ... He knew that, because was from the kind of "levi."
        1. erg
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          Do not trend. The manifesto says that capital is not personal, but social power, as it is a product of collective activity and can only be activated by joint actions of many members of society.
        2. V.ic 7 November 2015 20: 24 New
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          Quote: erg
          Do not trend.

          A trend is something else in comparison with your trend.
          Quote: erg
          Do not trend.

          Are you going against the classic? Well, here are a few quotes for you, refute the health of yourself and your loved ones:
          "I. The bourgeois and the proletarians
          ... The bourgeoisie, through the exploitation of the world market, has made the production and consumption of all countries cosmopolitan ...
          ... The bourgeoisie by the rapid improvement of all the instruments of production and the endless relief of means of communication involves all, even the most barbaric, nations in civilization. The cheap prices of her goods - this is the heavy artillery with which she destroys all the Chinese walls and forces her to surrender the most stubborn hatred of barbarians against foreigners. Under pain of death, it forces all nations to accept the bourgeois mode of production, forces them to introduce the so-called civilization, that is, to become a bourgeois. In a word, she creates herself a world in her image and likeness ...
          ... The bourgeoisie is increasingly destroying the fragmentation of the means of production, property and population ... "
        3. erg
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          My quote from Chapter 2 of the Manifesto of the Communist Party is the Proletarians and Communists. The quote you quoted indicates the consequences of the spread of capitalist production, primarily on the old way of life. In my quote, the definition of capital as a social force is given. Apparently beyond the first chapter you have not advanced.
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          Quote: erg
          My quote from chapter 2 of the Communist Manifesto

          Damn nn ... hi , yours quote in chapter 2 of the “INC”? Declare copyright and all the Communists of the world will carry a living classic in their hands and Mr. Zyuganov will resign ...
          Quote: erg
          Apparently beyond the first chapter you have not advanced.

          Yeah, stupid and stupid compared to you, who mastered the head of the 2nd “MKP” ... However, as our “forever alive” would say: “You are not standing on Marxism, you are sitting, even lying on it”. laughing
        5. erg
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          I do not understand your sarcasm. I quoted from the same source as you. Thus, making it clear that I am not carrying a gag. But this is apparently not important. Paraphrasing a quote from Anton Pavlovich Chekhov - even though you are a senior citizen (data from your profile), but ..... You will find the end of the phrase in the story of the above-mentioned author "Complaint Book".
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          [quote = erg] I quoted from the same source as you. [/ quote]
          The Russian language is rich, which some are tricked into and use ... quote = erg] My quote [/ quote]
          [quote = erg] even though you are a senior citizen [/ quote]
          I didn’t drink with you at the Brudershaft!
          Continue to "force" your dear Marxism. Antosha Chekhonte, of course, was a suitable “laying” of the m / y by “productive forces” and “production relations” in RI late 19th century. You would have rummaged and found something suitable for I. Flavius ​​...
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          The quote from Chekhov applies only to you, without any attachment to Marxism.
  • Down House 8 November 2015 00: 08 New
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    Are you against the classic?

    Do not argue, he honorably wrote his name in history, and for example in such an object as TGP, having carried out titanic work to study the institution of property as one of the most important institutions of the state.
    Therefore, it is being studied, including in capitalist countries, the understanding of "Marxism" is an integral part of understanding the whole world as a whole.
  • saturn.mmm 8 November 2015 15: 20 New
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    What kind of country was the Russian Empire if it was destroyed by a LOT of Jews ???

    These "Jews" and the Soviet Union collapsed, I hope no need to tell what kind of country it was?
  • V.ic 7 November 2015 14: 22 New
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    mostly Jews

    So Jesus himself and his assistants (apostles) were from the people you mentioned.
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      Quote: V.ic
      So Jesus himself and his assistants (apostles) were from the people you mentioned.

      Therefore, I often ask the question - why should Russian people believe in Jewish folk tales?
      1. V.ic 7 November 2015 20: 35 New
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        I often ask the question - why should Russian people believe in Jewish folk tales?

        Using the word "folkyy", You should also use the word" Russianand I".
        Answer: for some reason, it has been the case since the time of Vladimir Svyatoslavich.
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        So no one believes for a long time ... just a business, however ... but a pity))
  • V.ic 8 November 2015 17: 34 New
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    Does Mr. Sholomov bother you? Then a question for the administration!
  • dvg79 7 November 2015 10: 29 New
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    These "Russians" first threw the king, though he deserved it, then they began to tear the country to pieces at the behest of the Western masters, and it was they who started the civil war. Learn history, not fairy tales for the mentally retarded, edited by the CIA.
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    Alexander Romanov, so you can lose the "shoulder straps". In the fight against the "Bolsheviks" laughing I fully support you. Many simply do not bother with a very simple question - where does the money for the "revolution" come from? ..
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      Quote: Erg
      Alexander Romanov, so you can lose the "shoulder straps". In the fight against the "Bolsheviks" laughing I fully support you. Many simply don’t bother with a very simple question - where does the money for the revolution come from"? ..

      Well, yes, yes ... from Germany to Japan ... For some reason, the current was only given to the revolution ...
      But do not tell me, you’re the smartest of ours, that there the Entente exported echelons from the Far East? ... Che? Nothing more to cover? am
      I was born in the USSR!
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        You are using illegal methods in a polemic. I was also born in the USSR, and I consider the Union a great country and proud of its achievements. But one must understand that in the history of the country of soviets there were several stages, and each following ensued from the previous one. All of this is history. The very first stage, the "revolution", was the most tragic in it. Millions of human tragedies, the sale and robbery of Russia by transnational corporations ... This coup was prepared by our Western "partners" for more than ten years. And they won ... Ever wondered why Stalin shot off the entire Leninist team? Because he knew and understood everything. Glory to the great Leader!
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          Quote: Erg
          The very first stage, the "revolution", was the most tragic in it
          Revolution - (from late Lat. Revolutio - turn - coup), profound qualitative changes in the development of any phenomena of nature, society or knowledge.

          For example, the maternity leave introduced by the SNK decree in the 19th year, still called maternity leave - well, it’s very tragic crying


      2. ermak.sidorov 7 November 2015 21: 53 New
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        Thanks for the video! ... I, too, from there =)
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          there was tension with the Russian language, apparently :) Stalin himself was still that Zionist, if you, Yermak, forgot, and the quote is without a reference ...
    2. SibSlavRus 7 November 2015 12: 50 New
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      The main thing is not money in the revolution, but moods and driving forces.
      Money is needed mainly to bribe the loyalty of officials.

      If you say something that you are convinced of in your comment, then try to detail and concretize the expression "money for revolution", which you give out almost the root cause of the events.
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        Dear, in my opinion you are deeply mistaken. The main thing is money. "Let me manage the money in the country, and I don't care who writes the laws there." I hope you do not consider Rothschild a fool? I cannot here describe the whole course of history physically. Already advised some friends to watch the documentary film "Russia 20th Century." To start.hi
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          God with you! What does "money for revolution" and the financial apparatus (financial system) of the state have to do with it?
          The target audience, you know, does not match the tasks.
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          The thing is that the only way to achieve power in the modern world is money. Well, if you do not take into account African tribes ...
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          The thing is that the only way to achieve power in the modern world is money. Well, if you do not take into account African tribes ...
          Putzin ... The most influential politician ... lol
        4. dvg79 8 November 2015 05: 36 New
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          The main thing is not money, but the concept of people's worldview; everything else is derivative.
        5. Turkir 8 November 2015 20: 39 New
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          The main thing is not money, but the concept of the worldview of people

          Well, K. Marx also wrote the following, I will convey the meaning from memory:
          "If a person receives one pound a week, then he doesn’t understand anything, if he receives one hundred pounds a week, he starts to understand politics, if a thousand, he already understands everything, in politics, in science, in music, in painting, in history and literature. "
          Marx would not agree with you. smile
  • sanyavolhv 7 November 2015 18: 30 New
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    Dear, in my opinion you are deeply mistaken. The main thing is money.


    health
    you know dear, I do not agree with you. probably you will answer the question. who managed the money of Russia after October? did they have an incentive to make a revolution? gold wandered around the country? and is it really difficult to come up with your own money? or maybe you answer the question for the money the Communists fought, or for hope then snatch? I think you will answer as best you can, no way and minuses.
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    Precisely because Stalin did not make a deal with the Fed, where the dollar was the main reserve currency, and further tragic events of history occurred. However, the Fed became after them (the first and second gloomy) several times "thicker" ...
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    I blurted it out. After the Second World War, Stalin's refusal to accept the rules of the Fed game led to a global confrontation.
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    Quote: Erg
    Something blurted out
    Ага.

    After the Second World War, Stalin's refusal to accept the rules of the Fed game led to a global confrontation.
    Stalin’s quote that the Fed is deciding something, please go to the studio ...
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    But what about the Operation Unthinkable? There was still a war.
  • Uncle Joe 7 November 2015 23: 07 New
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    I hope you do not consider Rothschild a fool?
    I hope you are able to confirm that any of the Rothschilds said this? lol

    Otherwise, you will not only look, but also are one hundred percent sucker.
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    The main thing is not money in the revolution, but moods and driving forces.

    and the "mood" and subsequently the driving forces create the media! Like in Ukraine, for example, before the Maidan, because everything is thanks to the media and so-called talk shows such as Savik Shuster! It all cost a lot of money, and they and they don’t spare their lives and not human lives to achieve their goals!
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    Nicholas II, who got a very strong state, managed to steal everything.
    The struggle for real Soviet power continued for a very long time, until I. Stalin conquered it. People deserved Soviet socialist power with great blood. So much so that in the West they fought fiercely with the popular ideas of socialism and communism, which swept the whole world.
    The Soviet period is an unprecedented period in the history of not only the country, but also the world. Humanity has not yet come up with a better socialism and the ideas of communism.
    Compare the conceptual apparatus of socialism and capitalism! Nobody has advocated capitalism so voluntarily and massively. This is a revolution from below, which is why its conquests were valuable.
    No one can ever clearly explain to us the loss of socialist gains and that deception with the seizure of power in 1991-93.
    On the achievements of the Soviet state, present-day Russia and another 14 republics (as well as half the world) live by inertia without straining, at the Soviet expense the oligarchy feeds, even until the end they can’t complete the privatization, bastards. That's because the wealth of the people were !!!
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      The loss of socialist gains ... It's simple, friend. The country was sold. Sold by the government of the USSR. I have already raised this topic. Why do many people simply do not want to compare dates and events in order to understand this ... It all began long before the 91st ...
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      This is where (from the moment of preparation (many agree that since the mid-1980s) the main events of the 1991-93 state coup and as a result of the collapse of the country), I have to agree with "money for the revolution." This is where the “cadres” and the target audience were being prepared (concentration of authorities and Muscovites so that they were empty!). The beneficiaries appeared almost immediately in the wake of privatization. Training materials on economic theory and market relations - all Western - from the early 1990s to the present. Findings? Here. Such a killer technique - the purchase of decision makers and leaders' environment - the format of consciousness of the active part of the population - the rest is a sea of ​​alcohol and individual freedom (without any individual obligations), and that’s all, it’s not necessary to fight. Foreign policy activity is reduced to minus zero.
      They miraculously escaped a full-fledged civil war, but got local conflicts around the perimeter of the borders of the former Union and in the zones of its influence abroad.
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      The whole problem of mankind is that, for the most part, it is deeply flawed ... The origins of what is happening must be sought in the very essence of man ... hi
  • VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 17: 12 New
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    Quote: Erg
    The loss of socialist gains ... It's simple, friend. The country was sold. Sold by the government of the USSR. I have already raised this topic. Why do many people simply do not want to compare dates and events in order to understand this ... It all began long before the 91st ...

    That's what I mean by saying that they destroyed the USSR in 1991 by corrupt brainless communists, tied the RUBLE to the DOLLAR, deprived our enterprises of work and financing ...

    The Communists began with a betrayal of their country and ended with a betrayal.
  • Erg
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    It's not about the Communists, friend. Evil often has different guises ...
  • 34 region 8 November 2015 13: 46 New
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    And where did the liberals start? With betrayal or sale?
  • VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 16: 30 New
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    The main thing is not money in the revolution, but moods and driving forces.

    Tell this to the maydanites of Kiev, they absolutely know this for sure. And about cookies from Baba Vicki, too.
    For the evergreens tuned and moved.
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    Many simply do not bother with a very simple question - where does the money for the "revolution" come from? ..

    That is the right question! That year I asked him many times - grabbed the cons - I didn’t get an answer ...
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      Yes to hell with them, with minuses. About 10 years ago I was also in blinders. Nothing ... Tempora mutantur, at nos mutantur in illis ...
      1. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 16: 15 New
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        Yes to hell with them, with minuses. About 10 years ago I was also in blinders.

        That's right. The main thing is to preserve and strengthen Russia without revolutions. She will not stand the third time.
      2. Uncle Joe 7 November 2015 23: 36 New
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        The main thing is to preserve and strengthen Russia without revolutions. She will not stand the third time.
        The movement has a twofold form: evolutionary and revolutionary.
        The movement is evolutionary when progressive elements spontaneously continue their daily work and make small, quantitative, changes to the old orders.
        The movement is revolutionary, when the same elements are united, imbued with a single idea and rush against the enemy camp in order to fundamentally destroy the old order and bring into life qualitative changes and establish new orders.
        Evolution prepares the revolution and creates the ground for it, and the revolution completes the evolution and contributes to its further work..
        The same processes take place in the life of nature.
        I. Stalin T.1 s.300
      3. 34 region 8 November 2015 13: 50 New
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        Yes! Read Stalin then Nostradamus there and do not smoke. So many years! And thoughts are just like about today!
  • Lenin 10 November 2015 04: 02 New
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    And on Perestroika? And why does Humpback live abroad?
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    [quote = Erg] Many simply do not bother with a very simple question - where does the money for the "revolution" come from? ..
    An even simpler question for you, dear, where did you suddenly find the tuyeva heath of the grave diggers of the Russian Empire, and question No. 2 on February-March: who "ran ahead of the engine", subverting "hated tsarism"?
  • mark2 7 November 2015 16: 27 New
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    Maybe enough about the money that the Bolsheviks were given to everyone and sundry from Paris to Tokyo? Power by October 1917 did not exist. The Bolsheviks simply picked her up, because none of the other political movements wanted to take her. everyone was afraid to answer for their actions. Everyone, like sheep, insisted on continuing the war to a victorious end, thereby defending the interests of big capital. No one imagined how to proceed further. There was no single development plan. And Lenin had: End the war, factory workers, land for the peasants. And what were the opponents: the war to the bitter end, Russia is a world power, a parliamentary republic, private ownership of land and means of production. Those. they proposed to leave everything as is but without the king.
    And after the seizure of power, the Bolsheviks simply began to rob the loot - that’s the money.
    1. Down House 8 November 2015 09: 49 New
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      Maybe enough about the money that the Bolsheviks were given to everyone and sundry from Paris to Tokyo?

      Actually, yes, all political parties had money, this issue does not matter.
      All that matters is that the simple people primarily benefited from the activities of the Bolsheviks, and he was their main "creditor" - supporting them in the civil war and intervention.
  • VseDoFeNi 8 November 2015 09: 37 New
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    so you can lose the "shoulder straps". In the fight against the "Bolsheviks"

    Us the main thing is once again not to lose the country. In the fight against idiocy. And new epaulets will grow back.
  • Lenin 10 November 2015 03: 57 New
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    And where to Perestroika?
  • Turkestan 7 November 2015 12: 27 New
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    Mr. ROMANOV, not only Russians lived in the Russian Empire. And the civil war was not only between the Russians.
    As information.

    According to the census of 1897 (during which the question was asked not about nationality, but about the native language), Great Russians made up 44,35% of the population (55,667 million people), Little Russians - 17,81% of the population (22,381 million people), Belarusians - 4,69% (5,886 million people). All of them were officially considered "Russian", the number of which, thus, amounted to 83,934 million people. or 66,81%. Together, the Slavs (East Slavic peoples, as well as Poles, Bulgarians and others) made up about 75% of the population of the empire. Jews were a significant national group - 5,2 million people (4,1%)

    And another revolution is impossible in a country where they do not want it. No matter how strong financial adventures and theories of international conspiracy were, the Russian people were the main participants in the revolution. Desertion from the front, dissatisfaction with the monarchy, revolutionary moods ripening among the people — these factors played a decisive role in the success of the October Revolution.
    1. Morrrow 7 November 2015 12: 42 New
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      Why did Prussia do without a revolution and civil?
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        Morrow belay And the Weimar Republic? Bremen Soviet Republic? Yes there were a lot of these revolutions. If Britain had not invested in the Fuhrer, the Germans' mess could have led to anything ... Don’t you find it strange that money flowed into Germany immediately after it became clear to the bourgeoisie that Stalin had finally covered the concession shop and took an independent course. ..
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          This is a consequence of the defeat in the Great War. Before the war, Germany managed to solve all the problems.
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          Before the war, there was no Fed. 1913, if you remember ...
    2. Down House 8 November 2015 09: 51 New
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      Why did Prussia do without a revolution and civil?

      What else is Prussia ?! find me her on the world map laughing
  • Pilat2009 7 November 2015 12: 58 New
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    The Russian people were the main participants in the revolution.

    The Russian people are now deeply fond of it. If only they would not touch him and let him sit in his garden. Not without reason, he supported both Gorbachev and Yeltsin — he loves to believe in fairy tales. Most deserters, by the way, went home and not to defend their homeland.
  • mark2 7 November 2015 15: 56 New
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    You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.


    And in France, the French killed the French, and in England - the British English. This is a REVOLUTION. There are always those who cannot live in the old way, and others in the new. The civil war begins. By the time of the October Revolution (or coup, as you like), Russia was in the ass. She was in the ass by 1905, when the first revolution happened. The autocracy had to understand and respond to what is happening in the country and change the way of life. And they changed. But within the framework of the existing one.
    And what was there? There was an absolute monarchy entirely based on 2% of the population - the nobility and the clergy. These estates had any rights and privileges and fully supported the Tsar. The abolition of serfdom in 1861 freed the peasants not from serfdom, but from the land. Well, that was the way it was then. England did the same in due time.
    The revolution of 1905-1907 occurred due to unresolved social problems, the preservation of landownership, survivals of serfdom, overpopulation of the agricultural center and the “successful” Russo-Japanese War, which showed the entire backwardness of the tsarist system.
    After that, it was necessary to change something, but they tried to change it cosmetically. Not a single problem that caused the first revolution was eliminated.
    By the way, the first revolution was considered capitalist. It ended in failure.
    The second, the February Revolution arose for the same reasons as the first, and, as it became clear, the autocracy has completely outlived itself. Weak king, slurred successes in the World War with huge losses, rampant corruption, falling living standards of an already impoverished people, nepotism in the ruling circles, no results of democratic reforms - not all classes were presented in the State Duma and the decisions of the Duma did not affect the decisions The king. This revolution was also bourgeois. As they say now, liberals have come to power.
    The October Revolution put an end to the history of the nobility, and the history of capitalism in Russia interrupted for a long time. The reasons were a losing war, hyperinflation, the same corruption, the colossal social stratification of society and the inability of the new government to agree on what to do with the war and what kind of action plan to develop the state.
    And this revolution was really popular. Many went after the Bolsheviks. Everything happened with the tacit connivance of the people or even approval. In fact, the people got nobles, insatiable priests, greedy capitalists. But there were no fewer opponents — nobles, capitalists, the church — all those who somehow lost all that they had overnight. What began has begun - the civil war.
    The part of the population that was ready to move forward won, the part that sought to restore the old system lost. In the old system everyone already lived. Did not like. The future seemed vague, but encouraging. Wrong? No?
    It’s hard to judge. but thanks to that very revolution we can choose socialism and capitalism.
    1. Down House 8 November 2015 10: 12 New
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      The autocracy had to understand and respond to what is happening in the country and change the way of life. And they changed. But within the framework of the existing one.

      They didn’t really change anything, the lifestyle itself was more than satisfied with the main population, and the main problems were economic.
      People had nothing to eat, there was nowhere to learn, there was nowhere to be treated.
      Politics and freedom issues is already the tenth matter, the tsar-rag stupidly cut higher education to the root, excluding honors students for reading capital and flogging for absenteeism in church services, imposed space repairs instead of capital mess!
      Quote: mark2
      There was an absolute monarchy entirely based on 2% of the population - the nobility and the clergy. These estates had any rights and privileges and fully supported the Tsar.

      No.
      There were about 15% of the “privileged” estates in the country (we take into account primarily the agrarian nature of the economy), but they may have been supporters of the monarchy, but even the most convinced monarchists did not support the rag king.
      Quote: mark2
      But there were no fewer opponents — nobles, capitalists, the church — all those who somehow lost all that they had overnight.

      And it’s not only them, it’s becoming more and more complicated, among the peasant-artisans-merchants-servicemen there were also prosperous people who did not want “communism”.
      Quote: mark2
      And this revolution was really popular. Many went after the Bolsheviks.

      That’s why they won, and also because, in comparison with the organizational and intellectual abilities of Comrade Lenin and the company, the rest of the leaders were banally “faded” and I sincerely doubt that all kinds of “Kerensky” there would be able to defeat Hitler in the future.
  • mark2 7 November 2015 16: 36 New
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    You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.


    And you will remember who cut out entire villages in Siberia under the command of Kolchak, Who raged under the command of Petlyura, Denikin ... They were Russians!
  • Sergey S. 7 November 2015 18: 19 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Boris55
    Yes, all those who on white motor ships were scrambling from the country, tail tails

    You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.

    1. I share the mournful feelings about many personal tragedies in the crucial years ... It's a pity even for the escaped White Guards.
    2. Belogvardeytsev feel sorry ... How is it possible to feel sorry for a stupid child that he reached for a candy. but grabbed the hot iron ...

    Accustomed to live in a lordly way ... due to the fact that ordinary people lived in terrible conditions.
    And that was them, decently living, about 4% of the population of Great Russia. By that time, the nobility had degenerated so much that among the Volga barge haulers, statistics showed 4% of nobles.
    For a long time I did not perceive the literature of A.M. Gorky as an Encyclopedia of Russian Life. But after studying the history of technology, mainly Russian technology, I perceive the play “At the Bottom” as a document of the era.
    And also family legends about a happy life in the pre-collective farm period, when children after 10 years of age no longer studied, but worked for 12-14 hours in a field, yard or on firewood ... This happiness was real for people, and I just I could not understand how this can be rejoiced, until they told how they lived in the war ...
  • Down House 7 November 2015 22: 37 New
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    You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.

    And no one is happy, you just need to clearly understand that it was NOT the Bolsheviks who started it all.
  • RUSS 8 November 2015 09: 53 New
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    the article is a fat minus and to all commies of the rudd also !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • fif21 8 November 2015 13: 39 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    You forgot that they were Russians! Rejoicing further on how the Russian Russians were killed.
    This is one of the few of your statements with which I agree. The project "Bolshevik Russia" is closed. Unfortunately, greed, profit, theft, betrayal, meanness are inherent in man, and this cannot be corrected with slogans and appeals. hi
  • Lenin 8 November 2015 15: 27 New
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    Most of them are not Russians, but opportunists. They run to where it’s good. And how can I call the Russian people the enemies who organized Perestroika and the great genocide of the peoples of the USSR? hi
    1. Turkir 8 November 2015 20: 44 New
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      And how can I call the Russian people the enemies who organized Perestroika and the great genocide of the peoples of the USSR

      And rightly so, I also do not call them Russian. The most interesting thing is that these opportunists, too, do not call themselves Russian.
      They are citizens of the world.
  • kit-kat 9 November 2015 14: 38 New
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    This really was scary. That the Russians killed the Russians. But, otherwise, apparently, it was impossible.
  • azkolt 9 November 2015 23: 32 New
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    Yes, and not the Russians killed the Russians, it would have gone nowhere, anything can happen! We were killed by Jews, Poles, Latvians, Chinese, Hungarians, Germans and Austrians! There were not so many Russians there in the initial period, But these fools rejoice that foreigners killed our compatriots! HAPPY !!!
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    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And whom did you (you) defeat?

    Yes, all those who on white motor ships were scrambling from the country with their tails tucked in.

    Dear Borisov, answer a couple of questions please:
    1. Why did the nationalities enter after the October Revolution?
    2. Why divided Russia into many Soviet republics?
    3. Why did the first government of the USSR which Lenin headed at 85% consisted of Jews,
    leadership of the NKVD 61 people 48 of them Jews, the leaders of the Gulag 100% Jews ?!
    1. mark2 7 November 2015 16: 46 New
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      1. Why did the nationalities enter after the October Revolution?


      And why was there a separation of religion before the revolution? This was indicated in the documents.

      2. Why divided Russia into many Soviet republics?


      And why was there a division into governor generals in the Russian Empire?

      3. Why did the first government of the USSR which Lenin headed at 85% consisted of Jews,
      leadership of the NKVD 61 people 48 of them Jews, the leaders of the Gulag 100% Jews ?!


      Well, here they are - Jews ... they only know how to attach themselves.
      1. Dart2027 7 November 2015 18: 27 New
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        Quote: mark2
        And why was there a separation of religion before the revolution?

        Religion is not difficult to change, but nationality is another matter.
        Quote: mark2
        And why was there a division into governor generals in the Russian Empire?

        Which did not have the right to exit and were not considered union republics.
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          Which did not have the right to exit and were not considered union republics.

          Are you talking about Poland-Finland now?
          Or want to say, with papers you could at least someday keep separatism?
          1. Dart2027 8 November 2015 14: 47 New
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            Are you talking about Poland-Finland now?

            No in 1917.
            Quote: Down House
            pieces of paper could at least someday hold separatism

            Maybe it was not necessary to support him?
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            Maybe it was not necessary to support him?

            Whom and why?
            RI itself was cracking at the seams - the provinces (that is, the regions) were separated from the Capital, there was nothing to say about national regions!
            And if it weren’t for the Bolsheviks, we would now discuss in forums how the “Bryansk nation” differs from the “Perm”!
          3. Dart2027 8 November 2015 16: 17 New
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            RI itself cracked at the seams

            Cracked. That's just the efforts of all kinds of fighters against backward tsarism. And the Bolsheviks signed the relevant documents. Hoping for a world revolution.
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            Cracked. That's just the efforts of all kinds of fighters against backward tsarism.

            It cracked, because tsarism really was a backward, or rather, a mentally retarded king who shot cats at his leisure.
          5. Dart2027 8 November 2015 18: 57 New
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            who "at leisure" shot cats.

            There are millions of hunters all over the world. The king was an ordinary man, and hunted like most of those who had such an opportunity. As for the cats, a lot of people hunted with him, and who killed them is another matter. His diary on the killing of cats says very little - mostly ordinary game, so it’s not worth it to expose him as a maniac. In addition, they usually forget the fact that it was not about ordinary domestic cats, but about wild forest cats.
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            The king was an ordinary man, and hunted like most of those who had such an opportunity

            So I’d go to the taiga to hunt for the devil, what kind of rationalism is it for killing livestock, only schoolchildren with an injured psyche do it!
          7. Dart2027 8 November 2015 22: 49 New
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            So I would go to the taiga to hunt

            In fact, the king can’t leave in the middle of nowhere. I remind you that at that time there were no modern airplanes and telephones.
            Quote: Down House
            what kind of animal husbandry is it reasonable to kill pets

            Homework? In the woods?
            Quote: Dart2027
            In addition, they usually forget the fact that it was not about ordinary domestic cats, but about wild forest cats
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            In addition, they usually forget the fact that it was not about ordinary domestic cats, but about wild forest cats

            Well, you take such a kitten to your home, and your whole life will love you - infa 100% smile
            And by your logic, you can shoot dogs, if they are without a master ....
            Quote: Dart2027
            In fact, the king can’t leave in the middle of nowhere.

            And yes, ask how many “residences” he had - he traveled around the country abound.
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    [quote = mark2] 3. Why was the first government of the USSR headed by Lenin 85% composed of Jews, the NKVD leadership 61 people 48 of them Jews, the leaders of the Gulag 100% Jews ?!
    Yes, hammer in the search engine "how many Jews were in the first Soviet government." And read. And do not write nonsense.
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      [quote = revnagan] [quote = mark2] 3. Why the first government of the USSR which Lenin headed at 85% consisted of Jews, the leadership of the NKVD 61 people 48 of them Jews, the leaders of the GULAGs 100% Jews ?!
      Yes, hammer in the search engine "how many Jews were in the first Soviet government." And read. And do not write nonsense. [/ Quote]

      Council of People's Commissars (Council of People's Commissars, SNK) 1918 g .:

      Lenin - Chairman
      Chicherin - foreign affairs, Russian;
      Lunacharsky - enlightenment, Jew;
      Dzhugashvili (Stalin) - nationalities, Georgians;
      Protian - agriculture, Armenian;
      Larin (Lurie) - Economic Council, Jew;
      Schlichter - supply, Jew;
      Trotsky (Bronstein) - army and navy, Jew;
      Lander - state control, Jew;
      Kaufman - state property, Jew;
      V. Schmidt - work, Jew;
      Lilina (Knigissen) - public health, Jewish woman;
      Svalbard - cults, Jew;
      Zinoviev (Apfelbaum) - internal affairs, Jew;
      Anvelt - hygiene, Jew;
      Isidor Gukovsky - finance, Jew;
      Volodarsky - seal, Jew; Uritsky — elections, Jew;
      I. Steinberg - justice, Jew;
      Fengstein - refugees, Jew.
      1. Was mammoth 8 November 2015 00: 12 New
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        This lie is no longer original.
        And, actually, it’s worth reading at least all the comments. You will find true data. Minus well-deserved.
        Already wrote, a lie is the main weapon of anti-communists.
        [quote = YaRS] And do not write nonsense. [/ quote]
        [/ Quote]
  • Uncle Joe 7 November 2015 23: 53 New
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    Quote: YARS
    1. Why did the nationalities enter after the October Revolution?
    Where have you entered?

    2. Why divided Russia into many Soviet republics?
    Ask the Provisional Government.

    3. Why the first Soviet government headed by Lenin was 85% Jewish
    Why are you so illiterate?

    1. Chairman - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin) (26.10.1917 - 21.01.1924) - Great Russian

    2. People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs:
    Alexey Ivanovich Rykov (26.10. - 4.11.1917) - Great Russian

    3. People's Commissariat of Agriculture
    Vladimir Pavlovich Milyutin (October 26.10 - November 4.11.1917, XNUMX) - Great Russian

    4. The People's Commissariat of Labor
    Alexander Gavrilovich Shlyapnikov (26.10.1917 - 8.10.1918) - Great Russian

    5. Committee on Naval Affairs (26.10. - 8.11.1917)
    Vladimir Alexandrovich Antonov-Ovseenko - maloros
    Pavel Efimovich Dybenko - Little Russian
    Nikolay Vasilievich Krylenko - Great Russian

    6. People's Commissariat of Trade and Industry
    Victor Pavlovich Nogin (26.10. - 4.11.1917) - Great Russian

    7. People's Commissar of Education
    Anatoly Vasilievich Lunacharsky (family member for the present father - Antonov) (26.10.1917/12.09.1929/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) - Great Russian

    8. People's Commissariat of Finance
    Ivan Ivanovich Skvortsov-Stepanov (26.10.1917 - 20.01.1918) - Great Russian

    9. People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs:
    Lev Davidovich Trotsky (Bronstein) (26.10.1917 - 8.04.1918) - Jew

    10. People's Commissariat of Justice
    Georgy Ippolitovich Lomov-Oppokov (26.10 - 9.12.1917) - Great Russian

    11. People's Commissariat of Food
    Ivan Adolfovich Teodorovich (26.10 - 4.11.1917) - Pole

    12. The People's Commissar of Posts and Telegraphs
    Nikolai Pavlovich Glebov (Avilov) (26.10 - 9.12.1917) - Great Russian

    13. People’s Commissariat for Nationalities (People’s Commissariat) of the RSFSR (1917-1923)
    Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin) - Ossetian

    14. The People’s Commissariat for Railway Affairs (26.10.1917 - 24.02.1918)
    Mark Timofeevich Elizarov (8.11.1917/7.01.1918/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX) - Russian

    15. The People’s Commissariat of State Charity (8.11.1917/20.03.1918/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX)
    Alexandra Mikhailovna Kollontai (30.10.1917 - 17.03.1918) - Malorosska

    16. The Supreme Council of the National Economy (VSNH)
    Valerian Valerianovich Osinsky (Obolensky) (December 1.12.1917, 22.03.1918 - March XNUMX, XNUMX) - Great Russian

    Result: Russians - 15 (83%), 1 Jew, 1 Pole, 1 Ossetian.

    leadership of the NKVD 61 people 48 of them Jews, the leaders of the Gulag 100% Jews ?!
    So you answer - why did you get this? lol
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    3. Why did the first government of the USSR which Lenin headed at 85% consisted of Jews,
    leadership of the NKVD 61 people 48 of them Jews, the leaders of the Gulag 100% Jews ?!

    1. This is a myth and clearly overstated figures.
    2. Even all the Jews of Russia would not have been enough for complete leadership of the state, the overwhelming majority of the "party" was still Russian by nationality.
    3. Jews before the revolution were the most oppressed nationality, so even such a large number of them in opposition parties should not confuse anyone and seem surprising.
  • Pilot 9 November 2015 16: 51 New
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    Yes, all those who on white motor ships were scrambling from the country with their tails tucked in.

    Have you seen enough Soviet films?
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    And whom did you (you) defeat?

    We may not be anyone (although I don’t know if it wasn’t good or bad). But my grandfather defeated Nazism, became a wonderful teacher (Makarenko silver medal number 5) and the school principal. And without the October Revolution, most likely, he would have died a powerless serf in the Kirovograd region. So today I personally celebrate this victory over the snickering landowners and capitalists: I have a red flag waving in front of my house - let the liberoids burst with anger ...
  • Turkestan 7 November 2015 11: 21 New
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    Understand the revolution was inevitable, because the government gave too many trump cards to opponents, which they took advantage of. Well, then, as elsewhere, blood, civil war, devastation, Stalin comes, stability and emergency rises, as it is necessary to “run 50 years in 10”.

    About the same thing happened in the late USSR, a weak leader, stupid ministers, a bunch of traitors, and, of course, anti-state propaganda, all the same as in 1916-1917. The result is devastation again, civil war, lost territory, devastation again, Putin comes, stability appears.
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      Putin comes, stability appears.

      Well, well ... I.V.S. for a similar period of time, it has already completed TWO five-year plans, turning the USSR into an industrial power, which allowed the fascist beast to break the ridge. Our current "owners" are simply stupidly trying to protect, under the leadership of V.V.P. "acquired by overwork", placed in offshore.
    2. BMW
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      Putin comes, stability appears.

      With the beginning of the school year, school teachers were cut salaries by a total of 25-30%, nifigovoy stability. Many teachers are already thinking about leaving, hellish labor, payment with a fig dule. Schooling is starting to die. hi
  • Down House 7 November 2015 22: 20 New
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    And whom did you (you) defeat?

    Degraded "aristocracy" in the first place, which was an abscess on the body of the Empire!
  • VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 08: 01 New
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    And we celebrate the victory of the working people over the exploiters.

    Yes, land to peasants ...


    Who were the communists who made the revolution in Russia?
    And who were those fists who tried to fend for themselves during the peasant uprising?




    Oct 1, 2012 at 9:51


    PART 1.

    Who were the communists who made the revolution in Russia?
    And who were those fists who tried to fend for themselves during the peasant uprising?

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    We see here only Jewish surnames.
    As they say, comment is unnecessary ...

    However, I still want to say something about this:
    YOUNG PEOPLE! LEARN HISTORY NOT BY SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS!

    PART 2.
    This short Internet publication played the role of a stone thrown into the water. The circles, of course, did not go on the world network, but the discussion about it flared up hotly.

    As always, it was not without the intervention of Jews.
    Someone Boris Margulis drew up and immediately threw his stone at the Internet: “Didn’t you understand that this picture is nonsense? Well, think it yourself, Anton! Food detachment consisting of only Jews? Is that possible. The Jews do all their nasty things just around the corner and, mind you, with the wrong hands. So this is an ordinary fake, which, however, stupid anti-Semites will respond with a joyful howl ... "

    Other readers came to my aid.
    It was instantly proved that the photograph from the monument to the murdered Communist Jews was not a fake. This monument is real.

    A site was also indicated on which you can read a detailed historical account of how things were going back in 1921, and why these communists were killed.

    This is what the Russian historian Pyotr Alyoshkin told me.
    In 1921 there was a drought, famine in the Saratov province. The three districts of the Tambov region, which were adjacent to the Saratov province, were also severely affected by the drought, and the surplus appraisal was laid on them terrible. Among the peasants there were many soldiers who returned home from the war. They then faced the farmers and farmers then the choice: either to die of hunger, or to resist the new government, which took away food, leaving no chance of survival. These demobilized soldiers were the first to raise an uprising then, and a little later this case was headed by Alexander Stepanovich Antonov. He literally created a peasant state within Russia, which lasted almost a year.

    Resistance to the Bolshevik communists in the lands of the Tambov region became in fact a large-scale war in which the Bolsheviks, under the general military leadership of M.N. In one of his orders, Tukhachevsky wrote: “I ORDER:
    1. Forests where bandits are hiding, cleaned with poisonous gases, accurately calculated so that a cloud of suffocating gases spread throughout the forest, destroying everything that was hidden in it.
    2. The artillery inspector should immediately bring in the required number of toxic gas cylinders and the right specialists.
    3. The chief of the combat areas is persistently and vigorously fulfilling this order.
    4. Report on measures taken.
    Commander Tukhachevsky, chief of staff of the General Staff Kakurin.
    But the main weapon of the Bolshevik Communists was the hostage system, that is, the terror of the civilian population. How it was carried out is also known.

    1. kumaxa 7 November 2015 08: 31 New
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      the struggle was long and hard. and that kolchak denikin yungern were saints ??? Kolchak state reserve of gold squandered ent norms ??? gold to the people the owner of the builder and the defender did not pass did not save. on cartridges and tobacco changed.
    2. onix757 7 November 2015 08: 52 New
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      Who were the communists who made the revolution in Russia?

      The Soviet government digested those and spat out. But today these "comrades" digest the people.
      1. Sergey S. 7 November 2015 20: 38 New
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        But today these "comrades" are digesting the people.

        How much can you carry nonsense?
        Comrades are over ....
        25 years have passed since the USSR.
        In fact, two generations have changed according to the educational information principle or more than one full generation according to the demographic principle.
        So today's authorities have nothing to do with the Communists.
        And if you take into account that in the last decade of the USSR, the egoistic stupid faction of "pragmatic defeatists" has grown in the CPSU, which essentially has nothing to do with the Communists, but whose representatives have climbed to the administrative heights, then the Communists themselves are also not directly related to the collapse of the USSR have.
        That is, now the Communists regret that they didn’t clean the party from grabbers and demagogues on time, that they didn’t stop Gorbachev, that they stupefied for a moment with the EBN and didn’t slam this garbage pit.
    3. dvg79 7 November 2015 10: 39 New
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      You better read about the White Terror, and maybe then you will understand why all of Siberia and the Far East suddenly turned into partisans, such as the grandfather of one of my acquaintances from a very wealthy family (as he recalled there were separate horses only for traveling "on people.") Why these peasants, who had no idea of ​​Marxism, became red partisans.
    4. Turkestan 7 November 2015 10: 51 New
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      What truth is the peasants talking about if the basis of the Tambov rebellion is the desire to get a market price for excess grain in conditions of total hunger? Not all peasants had an excess of grain at that time, moreover, only a small part of the peasants, above all the kulaks, had an excess of grain, for which it was worth not just going into the woods, but cruelly killing food pickers for the hungry. Of course, a variety of people took up arms, however, without this - the economic interest of the kulaks - rebellion would have been impossible.

      What kind of truth is the peasants talking about if the author himself points to combustible material - "a huge mass of deserters"?

      What truth is the Bolsheviks talking about if the Tambov rebellion was suppressed by the interests of a single state, the country's population as a whole, just the interests of getting out of the civil war and further development? Is it possible that a respected king, in whom the peasants were publicly flogged only for an unspoken desire to move, would act differently? Really, the dear king didn’t conduct the pro-development mission in a much more favorable situation (as the author himself speaks about)?


      The Tambov uprising is a rebellion of a private landlord who is unable to think of anything but his own profit and the remnants of the defeated opponents of the Bolsheviks. Rebellion against a single state and people. There is neither truth of the Bolsheviks, nor truth of the peasants in this rebellion.
      1. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 11: 03 New
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        Quote: Turkestan
        The Tambov uprising is a rebellion of a private landlord who is unable to think of anything but his own profit and the remnants of the defeated opponents of the Bolsheviks.

        Oh how. That is, the communists who betrayed their country and “threw” allies, plunged Russia into hunger and cold, are these solid Dartanyans?
        But doesn't it seem strange to you that during World War I there were no cards in Russia, was it normal with the products?
        1. Darkness 7 November 2015 11: 33 New
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          Where was it ok?
        2. dvg79 7 November 2015 11: 49 New
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          What kind of “allies” did the Bolsheviks throw, or did they organize the abdication of the tsar and already calculate the profits from the collapse of the empire and the colonization of the wreckage? Well, bad luck Stalin and the Bolsheviks crushed their creations, including the Whites and Trotskyists, and recreated the empire at a new level. Unfortunately in1991m they nevertheless succeeded in what did not work out in 1917m.
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          3. Marxist 7 November 2015 12: 40 New
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            it was normal with prod

            Perhaps that is why in 1917, Provisional Prospect introduced an additional reconnaissance?
          4. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 18: 10 New
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            This is what "allies" threw the Bolsheviks

            This is the Entente, coming out of the war. This is a quote from Katasonov’s book “Genoa Conference,” in which the author as a whole praises Russia / the USSR in terms of refusing royal debts.
            Such annexations created enormous economic damage to the RSFSR. A territory of 780 thousand square meters was torn away from Soviet Russia. kilometers with a population of 56 million people (a third of the population of the Russian Empire). Before the revolution, this territory accounted for (% of all Russia):

            - cultivated agricultural land - 27;
            - railway network - 26;
            - textile industry - 33;
            - smelting of iron and steel - 73;
            - mining of coal - 89;
            - sugar production - 90.

            There were 918 textile factories, 574 breweries, 133 tobacco factories, 1685 distilleries, 244 chemical factories, 615 pulp mills, 1073 machine-building factories and 40% of industrial workers on the seized territory.

            In the annex to the Treaty, the special economic status of Germany in Soviet Russia was guaranteed. Citizens and corporations of the Central Powers were exempted from the Bolshevik decrees on nationalization, and those who had already lost property were reinstated. Thus, German citizens were allowed to engage in private enterprise in Russia against the background of the general nationalization of the economy at that time. This state of affairs for some time created for Russian owners of enterprises or securities the opportunity to escape from nationalization by selling their assets to the Germans.

            The Brest Treaty reinstated the 1904 customs tariffs extremely disadvantageous for Russia with Germany. In addition, when the Bolsheviks refused tsarist debts (which occurred in January 1918), Russia was forced to confirm all the debts to the Central Powers and resume payments on them.

            ПAfter the conclusion of the Brest Peace, the situation in Russia became even more difficult - the Civil War and the Entente intervention began. At the same time, there were all the signs of the defeat of the Second Reich in the war. Nevertheless, Germany managed to impose additional agreements on the Brest Peace Treaty to the Soviet government. On August 27, 1918, in Berlin, in the strictest secrecy, the Russo-German Supplementary Agreement to the Brest Peace and the Russo-German Financial Agreement were concluded.
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              The Entente thrown is from the category "Molotov-Ribentropp Pact was the cause of WWII."
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          That is, the communists who betrayed their country and “threw” allies, plunged Russia into hunger and cold, are these solid Dartanyans?

          A great example of betraying your faith. D`Artagnan - born in the Huguenot (Protestant) part of France. However, he himself, for the sake of Paris, turned out to be a Catholic.
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            D`Artagnan - born in the Huguenot (Protestant) part of France.

            Something like a “doubt bar” that the Basque was a Protestant. Unlike you, I trust A. Bushkov more.
          2. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 15: 58 New
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            Quote: Алексей_К
            D`Artagnan

            Dartanyans, this is a figure of speech when he is on a white horse, and the rest are around buggers. In fact, the Communists always behave this way.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: VseDoFeNi

            That is, the Communists did not conduct subversive activities along with enemies of all stripes?

            Everything good is ours, and everything bad is nothing to do with us. That was always the case with them. Zyuganov now says the same thing, everything that happens in the country of good things, he immediately ascribes to himself, criticizes the rest. Their whole ideology is such, lying to the last point.
            1. 34 region 8 November 2015 14: 09 New
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              But how do liberals and capitalists behave?
        4. revnagan 7 November 2015 21: 29 New
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          But doesn't it seem strange to you that during World War I there were no cards in Russia, was it normal with the products?

          Yeah, it’s so normal that in 1916 PROTORDS went through the villages and villages (yes, in 1916, that’s all right), an extra surplus was introduced, and the lines for bread were taken in the evening. Although, of course, if your ancestors could afford Eclairs then, what the hell hunger gentlemen?
        5. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 00: 19 New
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          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          But doesn't it seem strange to you that during World War I there were no cards in Russia, it was ok with the products?
          You better about the "quotes" of the Rothschilds. and how Putin “cannot” stop the bills, tell wassat

          Menshikov Mikhail Osipovich. "From letters to neighbors," 1915.

          Stop, gentlemen, to deceive yourself and play tricks with reality! Is it true that purely zoological circumstances, such as a lack of food, clothing, fuel and basic culture, do not mean anything for the Russian common people? But they are reflected very expressively on the human-type weight loss in Great Russia, Belarus and Little Russia. It is the zoological unit - the Russian people in many places are embraced by grinding and degeneration, which forced in our memory to lower the rate twice when recruiting new recruits. Even a hundred and a few years ago, the tallest army in Europe (Suvorov "miracles") - the current Russian army is already the shortest, and a terrifying percentage of recruits have to be rejected for service. Does this "zoological" fact really mean nothing? Does nothing really mean our shameful, nowhere to be seen infant mortality, in which the vast majority of the living masses do not live to a third of the human age?
        6. dvg79 8 November 2015 05: 51 New
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          They began to introduce the surplus apportionment under the tsar, just like all undertakings were done slowly and ineffectively with him.
    5. dvg79 7 November 2015 10: 55 New
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      You better read about the White Terror, and maybe then you will understand why all of Siberia and the Far East suddenly turned into partisans, such as the grandfather of one of my acquaintances from a very wealthy family (as he recalled there were separate horses only for traveling "on people.") Why these peasants, who had no idea of ​​Marxism, became red partisans.
    6. Sling cutter 7 November 2015 16: 02 New
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      VseDoFeNi

      this "button accordion" beard to the floor laughing
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    8. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 00: 06 New
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      who were those fists who tried to fend for themselves during the peasant uprising?
      Dahl's Dictionary.

      FIST

      The miser, the miser, the Jews (the soulless miser, the terrible miser), flint (the ruthless; the mean), the strong (stubborn, the miser);

      reseller, reseller (speculator), maclac (broker for small transactions, trader of used items), prasol (wholesale purchaser of livestock and various supplies - meat, fish, agricultural raw materials - for resale), clerk (broker for financial, trading, etc.) n. transactions; broker) in the grain trade, in bazaars and marinas, he himself is non-monetary, lives by deceit, miscalculation, measurement;

      lighthouse (rogue, deceiver, re-trader; obyachit - deceive, hold on sale or purchase) eagle. eagle, tarhan (Small merchant, buyer, traveling around the villages, prasol) tamb. Varangian (the buyer of things in the villages) Mosk. shopkeeper with small money, travels around the villages buying up canvas, yarn, linen, hemp, merlushka, bristles, oil, etc., dust (prasol), money lad (reseller, deceiver, crook, crook), gurtovschik (the one who sells cattle), a buyer and cattle driver;

      A fist without God will be pierced, but without God it cannot survive.

      Kulaks, kulachism -. Wed occupation, hunting for a fist, embassy, ​​overbought, young lady.
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  • Nikolay K 7 November 2015 09: 58 New
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    Do you think that the Soviet state exploited the peasants less than the landowners? Yes, as the peasant did not have land, it did not, on the contrary, the Bolsheviks took the latter. Previously, the peasant worked for the master, and then worked for himself. And the Bolsheviks first took away all the grain cleanly, millions of people were removed from hunger, and then forced to work in collective farms for workdays without the right to leave for the city, and those who did not want to be shot or poured into Siberia and Northern Kazakhstan. Even the tsarist regime did not allow such cruelty.
    1. Darkness 7 November 2015 11: 36 New
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      Which ancestors did you belong to?
      1. Marxist 7 November 2015 12: 53 New
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        - without the right to travel to the city
        And who then became workers during the years of industrialization? Americans or freemasons ???
        - and those who did not want
        Who did not want to ask what ???
        Here, in the village of my parents, NOBODY was shot or deported to Siberia. Apparently, the Soviet peasants did not read your comment.
        But in tsarist Russia, peasant riots were indeed a frequent occurrence, and their participants went not to the steppes of Northern Kazakhstan, but to taiga penal servitude.
        - hunger relief millions of people
        In tsarist Russia, hunger was generally a regular and universal occurrence.
        The Bolsheviks ended their hunger.

        As for collective farms: only large farms could ensure the country's food security.
        In addition, the chairman of the collective farm was elected by the peasants, collective farm property was public.
        The collective farms put an end to the landless peasantry, lack of work in the countryside, and regular and massive hunger.

        Don't like workdays? Well, the Bolsheviks did not forbid anyone to sell their products to peasants in the regional markets. So in 30, peasants began to appear money, and the Russian village began to get out of hopeless poverty, where it was before the revolution.
        If there had been no war, it is still unknown what economic results the Bolsheviks would have achieved.
        1. Nikolay K 7 November 2015 16: 09 New
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          At first, peasants were free to move around the country, since the abolition of serfdom. But after the start of collectivization, restrictions began to be imposed on the free movement of peasants, because someone had to cultivate the land. Under late Stalin, collective farmers were simply not given passports or the passport was kept by the chairman. And without documents about the move, one could not have thought. Local authorities gave permission to leave based on the need for human strength. My grandfather with his family was able to leave for the nearest city only at the beginning of the 60's. I dug a dugout for myself, where I lived with my family until he and my father built a house of adobe (bricks made of clay and straw dried in the sun). I was born in this house. Thanks to the Soviet authorities.
          1. dvg79 8 November 2015 06: 02 New
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            My great-grandmother and grandmother without passports each year went to sell seeds in the closed city of Komsomolsk on the Amur.
          2. Down House 8 November 2015 10: 26 New
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            At first, peasants were free to move around the country, since the abolition of serfdom.

            Yeah, without money and food you can’t even walk around the country laughing
        2. Nikolay K 7 November 2015 17: 09 New
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          With the landowners and the lack of mechanization, Russia was the largest exporter of bread. And with collective farms, a huge number of tractors and combines in the era of developed socialism, the USSR bought bread from its potential opponents. Here is such food security.
          1. revnagan 7 November 2015 21: 36 New
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            With the landowners and the lack of mechanization, Russia was the largest exporter of bread.

            Let’s not play demagoguery. WHAT Bread? Fodder! Bread, not suitable for human consumption. Yes, and as L.N. Tolstoy wrote, “in Russia hunger is not when bread did not mutilate, but when quinoa did not mutilate” .Most of the peasant guys first tried meat after being drafted into the army. Famine swept waves of tsarist Russia every 3-4 years.
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              and then, when the quinoa is not ugly "

              Do you know many dishes of Russian folk cuisine from quinoa?
      2. Nikolay K 7 November 2015 15: 58 New
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        Peasants and artisans
  • Vladimir Pozlnyakov 7 November 2015 10: 09 New
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    Lenin, calling the liberal intelligentsia "g .... m", steamers sent this audience overseas and to Europe! The remnants of this corrupt scum had their hands on the collapse of the USSR and are still muddling their ideological "g .... m" in Russia!
    For me, November 7 in honor of 1917 is a hundred times more important than November 4, 1612!
    1. Morrrow 7 November 2015 12: 00 New
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      Among them were: Markov, Sikorsky, Zvorykin - people who made modern civilization.
      1. Rastas 7 November 2015 12: 29 New
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        Dear, Sikorsky and Zvorykin left Russia before the end of the Civil War, when it was not clear who would win. And they left it not because they had any views on politics, but the fact is that in the conditions of war, they did not have the means and the ability to do research. In addition, the same Zvorykin came to the USSR by the American delegation in the 30s. And on the ships sailed philosophers, political scientists, writers with very ambiguous views. There were enough monarchists and nationalists, who later glorified Hitler. There was a very heterogeneous audience.
        1. Cap.Morgan 7 November 2015 14: 16 New
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          Why didn’t they return to the USSR before or after the war?
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            Why didn’t they return to the USSR before or after the war?
            Put their selfish interests above Russian spirituality and collectivism smile
      2. Darkness 7 November 2015 14: 57 New
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        And how could we survive without them?
      3. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 00: 24 New
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        Quote: Morrrow
        Among them were: Markov, Sikorsky, Zvorykin - people who made modern civilization.
        laughing
      4. MrK
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        Quote: Morrrow
        Among them were: Markov, Sikorsky, Zvorykin - people who made modern civilization.


        There was only one steamboat. And the ear of the order of 60 families, somewhere 200 people with children. Well, they did not want to live under the Soviet regime. Well, go through the forest.

        But in the USSR there was no civilization. No helicopters (Sikorsky). No television (Zvorykin). No mathematics (Markov). I am ashamed to read these liberals.
    2. tank64rus 7 November 2015 18: 57 New
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      The fact is that in tsarist Russia, it was the festive day on November 7, and November 4 was the church holiday of the Mother of God of Kazan, because on this day, the militia was blessed with this icon before the battle with the invaders, and by November 7, the Poles realized that their cause was lost. But here the command was given to remove on November 7 and dodged calling priests to help. So, they didn’t really have a holiday, because celebrate not before the battle, but after if naturally won. But the "historians" of the liberals are silent on November 7th. Really g ... but a nation.
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      The fact is that in tsarist Russia, it was the festive day on November 7, and November 4 was the church holiday of the Mother of God of Kazan, because on this day, the militia was blessed with this icon before the battle with the invaders, and by November 7, the Poles realized that their cause was lost. But here the command was given to remove on November 7 and dodged calling priests to help. So, they didn’t really have a holiday, because celebrate not before the battle, but after if naturally won. But the "historians" of the liberals are silent on November 7th. Really g ... but a nation.
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    For 40 years, the uninhabited Trotskyists, starting at age 53, have finished off the country.

    Yes, that’s how it all started, especially read about the “reform of the Liberman-Kosygin” - this was the first knockdown of the Stalinist economy.
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    Mao's prophecy: after the betrayal of Stalin by Soviet revisionists, the USSR is doomed.
    Statement: after the assassination of Stalin and Beria, the USSR was destroyed by the uninhabited Trotskyists.

    The Trotskyists are Jewish fascists.
    The inventors of fascism are Jews,
    the distributors are Germans,
    the main carriers are Anglo-Saxons.
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    Celebrate riot during the war

    Yes, let them celebrate is their only day. Also pour five drops without clinking glasses lol
    1. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 08: 03 New
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      Also pour five drops without clinking glasses lol

      Drinking is not patriotic, namesake.
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi

        Drinking is not patriotic, namesake.

        You can drink for everyone who died in a fratricidal warrior. This is a holiday only for those who rejoice in spilled blood, but they can only be touched.
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          This is a holiday only for those who rejoice in spilled blood.

          This can only rejoice "radish".
          For the first time, the people threw the yoke off their shoulders, and proved to the whole world that the “cook” is capable of governing the state and that the gentlemen’s too high price for their managerial work is justified by nothing.

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            For the first time, the people threw the yoke off their shoulders, and proved to the whole world that the “cook” is capable of governing the state and that the gentlemen’s too high price for their managerial work is justified by nothing.

            Well, yes, I threw off the yoke to put on a saddle. Well, how justified the high price for managerial work can be judged by the level of economic status of the population. For example, the GDR and the FRG.
            1. Nina Czerny 7 November 2015 10: 41 New
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              But you compare how many cities and villages were destroyed in the GDR and how many in the same Germany. Allies deliberately destroyed the cities and towns that were supposed to enter the Soviet occupation zone. Remember Dresden, destroyed by Anglo-American aircraft, although there were no military units there. And one must not forget that the GDR and the USSR developed under the conditions of a complete economic blockade by the West. Nevertheless, most of the German Democratic Republic recalls the socialist homeland with nostalgia.
              1. Mahmut 7 November 2015 14: 26 New
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                Nostalgia is a longing for the past, nothing more. But in fact, they were ready to poke like baboons through the Berlin wall. And why should I not recall the conditions under which the blockade developed the USSR and the GDR. The blockade - it is always mutual. According to objective indicators, the USSR is the richest state in the world. And on natural resources and on intellectual and on cultural - moral. But precisely because the so-called socialism completely kills the desire for initiative (it is punishable after all), we are in a deep ass. Remember how party leaders spoke about genetics? what about cybernetics? And whose power broke the Russians into three "different" people. That is what the Poles dreamed about, the Austrians and Germans realized the Bolsheviks. Until now, it burps. What is the matter with you all. The author spat on us all in the face with his headline, and you swam under the peak.
          2. Alexander Romanov 7 November 2015 08: 48 New
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            Quote: Boris55
            and proved to the whole world that the "cook" is able to rule the state

            A cook will always remain a cook, especially if the cook received money from the Germans.
            write, you are all lying wassat
            1. Boris55 7 November 2015 09: 22 New
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              A cook will always remain a cook ...

              "Cook" has proved its viability in the war with the united bourgeois Europe of 41-45. That is why they have a symbol of trying some bourgeoisie with others - red poppies, and we have a St. George ribbon, a symbol of the victory of the workers of the peasant army over the bourgeoisie and there will never be reconciliation between us and them.



              Sharikov, as a symbol of the Russian people, was born by liberals and was horrified by what they had done, but unlike the film, the story has no reverse. A people who have mastered knowledge cannot be turned back into an animal.
              1. Morrrow 7 November 2015 12: 02 New
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                The USA and England are also winners, but they have not buried tens of millions of their citizens.
                1. Down House 8 November 2015 10: 30 New
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                  Quote: Morrrow
                  The USA and England are also winners, but they have not buried tens of millions of their citizens.

                  And what, fascist tanks traveled to their lands and occupied cities with civilians? belay
              2. Mahmut 7 November 2015 14: 38 New
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                we have the St. George ribbon, a symbol of the victory of the workers of the peasant army over the bourgeoisie.

                And then George hto - the most important commissar, or a set of three jacks of Russophobes Marx-Engels-Blank. The Bolshevik Party was born in London, in a country in which labor unrest was suppressed by naval artillery. But for friendly Russia, England does not feel sorry for anything. Is not it.
              3. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 19: 26 New
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                A people who have mastered knowledge cannot be turned back into an animal.

                You think so? But what about de maidan, where they burned people alive, and how do you like Odessa, where they burned people alive? And how do you like the Donbass, where innocent women and children are killed?
                1. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 01: 04 New
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                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  But what about de maidan, where they burned people alive, and how do you like Odessa, where they burned people alive? And how do you like the Donbass, where innocent women and children are killed?
                  Well, the Vlasovites do not fight with Bandera ...

                  Happy holiday.
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              What did the October Revolution bring to the common people?

              - Previously, gentlemen entered the store from the front door, and the common people from black, and now the common people enter stores from the front door, and gentlemen from the black.
              1. Uncle Joe 8 November 2015 01: 07 New
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                What did the October Revolution bring to the common people?

                A simple example: Was your spouse on maternity leave?

                Guess why this vacation was called maternity smile
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          3. Nikolay K 7 November 2015 17: 18 New
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            What a naivety. There was a change in the ruling elites, who found out who is stronger with the help of weapons. Instead, the landowner exploited, whose ancestors once entered the princely or tsarist squad and received land for their military service, came other exploiters of the party nomenclature elite, who likewise took the land and bread by force of arms. Tales of social justice are tales for adults. As soon as a person gains power, he is tempted to use it for personal gain. And most succumb to this temptation.
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              Quote: Nikolai K
              There was a change in the ruling elites
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          You can drink for everyone who died in a fratricidal warrior
          For these brothers ...
    2. kumaxa 7 November 2015 08: 42 New
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      and what holidays do you have ????
      1. Alexander Romanov 7 November 2015 08: 49 New
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        Quote: kumaxa
        and what holidays do you have ????

        You don’t celebrate holidays in Russia. It’s exactly like November 7, the rest of the 364-365 days in mourning. Please accept my condolences and say hello to Zyuganov crying
        1. Aleksey_K 7 November 2015 12: 53 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: kumaxa
          and what holidays do you have ????

          You don’t celebrate holidays in Russia. It’s exactly like November 7, the rest of the 364-365 days in mourning. Please accept my condolences and say hello to Zyuganov crying

          So after all, Independence Day, 12 of June, is only one day. The rest (363-364) days are the black days of the American enslavement of Russia. Clinton and Obama are always happy with the Russian EBN-am and HMS-am (EBN - Boris Yeltsin, GMS - Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev).
  • Slobber 7 November 2015 08: 46 New
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    The result of seventy years of communist activity was the dismemberment of the great country into 15 parts, the destruction of the CMEA and the Warsaw Treaty

    But CMEA and the Warsaw Pact were thanks to the communists.
    whose countries have replenished the orderly ranks of NATO, moving it close to our borders.

    Here you are, have you personally done anything to prevent this from happening?
    1. VseDoFeNi 7 November 2015 08: 59 New
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      But the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact were thanks to the Communists.

      I gave birth to you, and I will kill you. (Bulba Taras)

      Quote: razgildyay
      Here you are, have you personally done anything to prevent this from happening?

      Personally, we served in the Soviet Army. good
  • Nikolay K 7 November 2015 09: 45 New
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    I agree. With good intentions the road to hell is paved. They fought for social justice, and after 80 of years they got a ruined empire, poor old people and a state that was corrupt through and through. All revolutions are conceived by idealists, but cynics like Trotsky and Stalin embody. In Ukraine, they also talk about the great Maidan, which people came out against corruption and for freedom, but in the end they got a war, the collapse of the economy and the state. Such is the October Revolution in miniature. The Bolsheviks deceived their people by not fulfilling their main promises. They promised peace and an end to the war, and pulled the country into a new civil war, even more destructive and bloody. They promised the land to the peasants, and in the end they even took the one that the people had, and drove the peasants under the affairs of the Mausers into collective farms. Alas, even such smart people as Lenin did not understand (although at the end of his life he probably understood his mistakes and introduced the NEP) elementary: everything has its time. It is impossible to force people to drive to happiness and justice, that needs to evolve, and any revolution is a short way, but leading through a swamp. You just need to be just wiser.
    1. victor 8 November 2015 11: 36 New
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      Sorry - no minuses, no emotions - and you think that the pin ... sorry, maydaunas are Bolsheviks ??? And they fought on maydaun for what ??? - and they didn’t get it in 80 years ... By the way, here the Mauser bases are preparing a law on the free sale of land - after all, there’s nothing to sell ... I would advise Russia to adopt a law on slaves so that we can ensure our rights at the legislative level ... In Euzhu ... excuse me, they won’t let anyone go anyway - the faith is not the same, and the muzzle is not smeared with wax ... And prostitutes do not take everyone. And Lenin is the greatest Ukrainian - because only the great rulers can double the territory, the population four times - but the blasphemy doesn’t even understand this ... So NIKOLAI, evolve by n success and justice, and good luck to you on this difficult path ...
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      At the end of his existence, Lenin fell into a stupor and he could not realize anything. These are such tales about the red bull ...
  • Yazov 7 November 2015 09: 55 New
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    Totally agree!
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    Totally agree!
  • avdkrd 7 November 2015 14: 06 New
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    The result of the seventy years of activity of the Communists was the division of the great country into 15 parts,

    The division of the country into 15 parts is not entirely true — not all republics left the USSR, but most importantly, the collapse of the USSR was not the result of the activities of the Communists, but of compradors led by Gorbachev. Again, communists are too vague a concept - under Lenin, with his military communism, aimed at the banal retention of power, there were only communists, under Stalin, who restored the country's economic power, first after the Civil War, then after the Patriotic War, (which in turn was won) were completely different communists . Khrushchev who actually destroyed the Stalinist reforms and made an impetus for the degeneration of the party in what it turned into under the marked Judas. Unfortunately, Stalin did not manage to introduce mechanisms guaranteeing self-regulation of the purity of the party (he was preparing, but, apparently, they killed him for this). After Khrushchev removed the Central Committee and the party functionaries in general from the control of the MGB / KGB, putting the authorities under party control, the degradation of the CPSU was a foregone conclusion. Those who ruined the USSR were not Communists, but snickering officials, who lost their shores from impunity and were sold for a basket of cookies and a jar of jam. Rooted ideology did not allow rare sane to change the system. If after Brezhnev came a strong leader who would be able to realize what Stalin had conceived, we would live in another country. The socialist system itself is an order of magnitude better and more honest than the cannibalistic system, which is predominant on earth, but at the same time is cracking at all seams. Capitalism as an economic model cannot exist without "donors", which are not enough for everyone ... as a result of the war for resources and markets. The celebration of November 7th is a reminder that you can live differently. I really hope that sooner or later we will realize (correcting errors) the potential inherent in this idea.
    P / S: In the West, the experience of the USSR has long been adopted - state regulation is present in the banking sector, with varying degrees of success, attempts are made to bring everyone to a common denominator by introducing 90% tax on superprofits, subsidies on agricultural products, total control of ideology, strengthening state control over strategic industries etc
  • EvgNik 7 November 2015 14: 18 New
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    The result of the seventy years of activity of the Communists was the division of the great country into 15 parts

    And who created this great country? And the result of the influence of whom she was dismembered? Here you can see that you give a damn about everything, at least you have learned to think.
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And whom did you (you) defeat?

    Just do not associate yourself with Alexander I, according to your comments, it catches the eye.
    The article is controversial but has the right to be. And history should not be rewritten and run into those who fought for a decent life for the whole people and not for a handful of robbers, officials and lovers of Western "democracy."
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