Vladimir Putin supported the proposal of the director of the FSB to suspend flights of Russian airlines to Egypt

Russian President Vladimir Putin supported the proposal of the Director of the Federal Security Service Alexander Bortnikov to suspend the flights of Russian airlines' airplanes to Egypt until the causes of the crash that occurred with the Kogalymavia airline were clarified. Recall that the victims of the crash of an airplane flying from Sharm-al-Sheikh to St. Petersburg were 224 people.

The Kremlin press service (quote RIA News):

The head of state agreed with these recommendations (recommendations of the head of the FSC). Putin instructed the government to work out mechanisms for implementing these recommendations of the NAC and ensuring the return of Russian citizens to their homeland. The President also ordered to establish cooperation with the Egyptian side to ensure the safety of air traffic.

For reference: Alexander Bortnikov during a meeting of the National Anti-Terrorism Committee said that he considers it appropriate to suspend the flights of the Russian aviation to Egypt.

Today it became known that the units of the army special forces of Egypt arrived at Sharm-al-Sheikh airport. It is reported that the special forces help evacuate from the airport foreign nationals who are still unable to fly home due to the fact that the airlines of a number of countries have announced a temporary refusal to fly to this Egyptian airport.

Comments

[Vladimyrych]

For a long time they were thinking ... From 31.10 and today is 06.11. Seven days to decide on saving the lives of their citizens is a bit much ... Or something has surfaced ..?

[marlin1203]

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ... they at the expense of the tourism sector and the Russians fill the country's half-budget!

[Denis DV]

Gee, there are a lot of tourists stuck. Will the Ministry of Emergencies take out?

[Vladimyrych]

Probably by sea the Emergencies Ministry will drag civilians to the cranyak. They’ll invent something. That's when Suitcases would come in handy! It's me about Mistral.

[Wolverine]

Who knows, how to know, a suitcase without a handle can also wave to the bottom without looking, who knows what the legendaries prepared for the surprise, so only Russian military equipment should be used.

[gorku68]

60-70 thousand in the Red Sea now ... Suitcases will not help much.

[Asadullah]

Suitcases will not help much.

It will help if one of the local animals wants something to stick there. Just in this case, the device should be quite large, an explosion in the cargo compartment of a small amount of explosives may not lead to the destruction of the aircraft. But against the technicians, on board inspection, it is hardly possible to do anything at the civilian airport.

[nik517]

It will help if one of the local animals wants something to stick there. Just in this case, the device should be quite large, an explosion in the cargo compartment of a small amount of explosives may not lead to the destruction of the aircraft. But against the technicians, on board inspection, it is hardly possible to do anything at the civilian airport.
When servicing the aircraft there is an aviation security service SAB

[Pimply]

Quote: Asadullah

them, an explosion in the cargo compartment of a small amount of explosives may not lead to the destruction of the aircraft.

Actually, it can. Lockbury

[veksha50]

Quote: Denis DV

Gee, there are a lot of tourists stuck. Will the Ministry of Emergencies take out?

Moreover, non-cash ... Even ordinary workers of the post office and industrial valve plant go and fly to Egypt ...

To remain in Egypt without money and without the help of the state is complete darkness ...

PS Obviously, after all, something hatched with a fallen plane ... There is no smoke without fire ...

[Marxist]

Anything could be with the flight, incl. and the attack.
And the statement of the chairman of the National Anti-Terrorism Committee could not be spontaneous.
In extreme cases, there is still maritime communication with Egypt.

[Constructor1]

Putin supported the proposal of the Director of the Federal Security Service, Alexander Bortnikov, to suspend the flights of Russian airlines to Egypt

I think this ju-ju is not casual, if just an accident, we probably would not have stopped it ..

[venaya]

Quote: marlin1203

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ...

I don’t think that it was Egypt, but all sorts of terrorists, that’s yes. The fact that Egypt will suffer, as it has already suffered because of airplanes flying to Russia, other countries that are not participants in the conflict in Syria, canceled flights. This is a serious blow to the economy of Egypt, more than the cancellation of flights from Russia.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: venaya

This is a serious blow to the economy of Egypt, more than the cancellation of flights from Russia.

But the blow was aimed precisely at Russia! Therefore, you need to take full control of all flights from our country and back. Anyone who conceived and carried out this attack (if it really is) will not rest on this.

[V.ic]

Quote: SRC P-15

you need to take full control of all flights from our country and back.

Well, with the appropriate sauce, apply a similar measure to the Turks, so to speak, "to avoid" ...

[Baikonur]

Quote: marlin1203

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ... they at the expense of the tourism sector and the Russians fill the country's half-budget!

So they are not friends to us! Especially after the overthrow of M. Mursi (who at least somehow wanted to build relations with Russia), Seichas Abdul-Fattah Al-Sisi is an ally of the United States, the Saudis basically! And nehlen feed them!

PS: Help (sorry, from Wikipedia, but also about the same time) -
Export in 2008 - $ 29,9 billion. These are crude oil and oil products, cotton, textiles, fruits, vegetables.
Main buyers: Italy - 10,3%, USA - 7,7%, Spain - 6,7%, Saudi Arabia - 5%.
Imports in 2008 - $ 56,6 billion. These are industrial products, food, chemicals, timber, fuel.
Major suppliers: USA - 10,6%, China - 10,2%, Italy - 7,5%, Germany - 7%, Saudi Arabia - 6%.

[Volodin]

Quote: Baikonur

Abdul-Fattah Al-Sisi is an ally of the United States, the Saudis mostly!

Three times "ha." Yevgeny, sorry, of course, but to call al-Sisi an ally of the United States and the Saudis is ... a complete salute.

[Baikonur]

Well, more than us! Of course, he himself with a mustache, I did not have time to recover more precisely, but the Mursi had been “removed” and if Al-Sisi had not been (as they say) “loyal to the United States”, then he would have been removed too, and he would hold on, so let him not an ally, but somehow! so don't hahaha!

[Volodin]

he would also be removed, and he holds, it means he is not an ally, but somehow

According to your logic, if someone is “still holding on” (well, for example, But father), is he an “ally of the United States” or “something like that?” .. Interesting, interesting.

[Baikonur]

Your sarcasm is clear! Answer then how Al-Sisi relates to the USA! Is he their enemy? Calls them enemies? Doesn’t do “oil commerce” with them, etc.? And grandiose projects, cooler than in the UAE, the doubler of the Suez Canal, the construction of a new capital ~ 50 million dollars, for example. (where did the money come from, Zin?)
Or maybe on the contrary, he loves and “commercializes” with Russia (are there of course some agreements (projects)? Maybe this is Russia so invested in them? Tourism of Russians in general is crap for the budget of Egypt!
only without blah blah blah!
With respect!

[Drmadfisher]

The first income item of Egypt is by no means tourism, and not agriculture, as many consider, but duties levied on ships passing through the Suez Canal. Its operation brings significant revenue to the state - more than 1 billion dollars a year. In second and third places - oil production and tourism. About 5 million tourists visit Egypt every year, which is surprisingly few for a country with such a rich heritage.

[Pimply]

Quote: Volodin

Three times "ha." Yevgeny, sorry, of course, but to call al-Sisi an ally of the United States and the Saudis is ... a complete salute.

Actually, yes. With certain amendments - but yes

[miru mir]

And the Islamist bros, led by Mursi for Russia, since when are the Allies ???

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: miru mir

And the Islamist bros, led by Mursi for Russia, since when are the Allies ???

Mursi quickly come (thanks to the Merikos), and leave even faster ... But Aswan remains forever.

[miru mir]

Quote: Alexey Lobanov

Mursi quickly come (thanks to the Merikos), and leave even faster ...

Your words, but to God’s ears ...

[w3554152]

Quote: miru mir

And the Islamist bros, led by Mursi for Russia, since when are the Allies ???

Nobody called them "Brothers", except you. But in politics, everything is possible when interests rule the ball.

[miru mir]

In fact, this organization is called They are all called that ...

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: miru mir

In fact, this organization is called They are all called that ...

So, it seems, I understand your initial joke, but there’s no way to put a plus ... In Russia, only a Jew could call this trash bros (even though they are “Muslim brothers”). Deep national differences. Although, in the Great Patriotic War this was not.

[miru mir]

Bgyyy ... You guys are funny. For many of you, both Hezbollah and the same Muslim brothers are completely shaking hands. And the Jews you in borsch na.ali? However, you can not answer. Good luck to you...

[His]

world peace - why are you posting on this site. Are birches dreaming?

[miru mir]

Birch trees, nope, do not dream. And what are you, Director of Tyrnetic?

[Sorokin]

As everyone knows. My classmate is a Jewish Jew, as it turned out later. She married a Ukrainian who graduated from our VATU. After she divorced, she came from Israel to Perm to graduate from an institute.

[His]

I just can’t understand the Jews in any way for what they love Russians, and at the same time try to harder them more. Doesn’t it all rest on your Jewish faith? Why are the Syrians rushing with the flags of Russia and portraits of Putin and in Israel this is not. Maximum thanks to the Red Army and that’s all the end.

[miru mir]

Really, it is written together. Let us respect the great and the mighty. And as for faith, I can’t answer, I’m not a believer. And how dirty are you, do not share? With borsch, that's all right. Looks at a colleague above a classmate came to study, and offended him. Well isn’t it funny

[His]

Jews are a great people by their people, their individual representatives did a lot in the years of the USSR, in the years of the Second World War. In science, technology, in leadership positions. But why, in general, not with the people, but with the ruling elite of the Jews did not work out, as they say did not succeed.
With Muslims, you better find a common language. Probably the affinity is higher of course with them. But the rest is not clear. Capitalism is probably closer to you than to us.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: Own

Probably the affinity is higher of course with them.

So we came to the most important thing, Jews and Arabs - a kindred group - Semites. Interestingly, anti-Semites are against the Jews, but not against the Arabs ...
Some disgrace.

[miru mir]

ABOUT! It’s good to communicate calmly, without mutual attacks
I’ll tell you hell, I’ll tell you, just don’t take offense, there are no special or great nations. In any case, I think so

[His]

World peace why ordinary Jews do not think that they are thrown? But as you know, the Russians do not abandon their own. Syria is an example of this.
Even weakened, Russia is still fighting for its allies (a throw at Pristina, Ossetia, Tajikistan, Transnistria is in the dashing 90s). Draw conclusions gentlemen. Or think everyone is evacuating to the United States at the last moment. But only smart (outgoing) people will be taken out. Remembering the program for saving Jews during the Second World War, when they tried to transport Jews from Eastern European countries to the states on old steamboats using collected private money.

[miru mir]

Who throws ordinary Jews? And what kind of evacuation are we talking about? Evacuate like going to Russian citizens. Moreover, both smart and not very

[His]

I understand at work. It is necessary to cipher from the authorities. Anyway. Hi to the professor. He was a noble companion.

[miru mir]

I have a day off today, what other work.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: miru mir

Who throws ordinary Jews? And what kind of evacuation are we talking about? Evacuate like going to Russian citizens. Moreover, both smart and not very

Kyrgyz, good to joke.
Already not funny.

[miru mir]

So I didn’t start this murk. And I'm not Kyrgyz, Russian. Kyrgyzstan is my homeland.

[zennon]

Quote: miru mir

Bgyyy ... You guys are funny.

You have a Kyrgyz cap on the avatar, and the flag is from the promised one. You would explain how it is, otherwise we may be funny, but not strange ...

[miru mir]

And what is not clear to you? I was born and raised in Kyrgyzstan, from there and a hat. I am a citizen of Israel, and therefore the flag of the promised. Elementary Watson

[zennon]

Quote: miru mir

I was born and raised in Kyrgyzstan-

I was also born and raised in Kyrgyzstan. I lived there for 41 years, but it would never occur to me to show off with this cap.

Quote: miru mir

Elementary Watson

We live in a world of illusions. Conan Doyle wrote a thuja heap of works about Holmes and Watson-4 stories and 5 collections of short stories. But ANYWHERE AND NEVER did not use this sacramental-Elementary, my dear Watson "elementary Watson" ...

[atalef]

Quote: zennon

Quote: miru mir

I was born and raised in Kyrgyzstan-

I was also born and raised in Kyrgyzstan. I lived there for 41 years, but it would never occur to me to show off with this cap.

Quote: miru mir

Elementary Watson

East:

As I understand it, Andrei, in the photo (avatar) is this you?

[zennon]

Quote: atalef

As I understand it, Andrei, in the photo (avatar) is this you?

On the avatar, Aleksey Makarovich Smirnov. Putting him there I display my attitude to life. True, to understand this, you had to see the films in which he played. You, judging by the issue, did not see them and it is useless to explain it to you.
Well??? What do you mean?
I’m not a Kyrgyz. This is a self-identification cap. I was amused by the combination of this headdress and a flag. Funny.

[miru mir]

Quote: zennon

but it never occurred to me to show off with this cap.

Well??? What do you mean?

[tatarin_ru]

Quote: Baikonur

Imports in 2008 - $ 56,6 billion. These are industrial products, food, chemicals, timber, fuel.
Major suppliers: USA - 10,6%, China - 10,2%, Italy - 7,5%, Germany - 7%, Saudi Arabia - 6%.

And you indicate how much Egypt bought from Russia weapons.
Secondly, there is also a factor of political support or neutrality, in the context of events in the Middle East this also costs a lot.

[Bayonet]

Quote: marlin1203

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ..

From ISIS, of course.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: marlin1203

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ... they at the expense of the tourism sector and the Russians fill the country's half-budget!

Oh, I feel, Egypt Mistral will sell us for exactly 1 bucks.

[Mikhalych 70]

Well, or at least rent it out ...

[Sorokin]

Well, what are they now? What the hell?

[zennon]

Quote: marlin1203

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ... they at the expense of the tourism sector and the Russians fill the country's half-budget!

Have you thought about our tour operators? They now have to return the money to tens of thousands of people. They will have a very hard time. Not everyone will survive. And these are OUR companies. Taxes are paid to the budget ... About 9 Egyptians get the Sharmal Sheikh airport per year 000 000 $. I was not mistaken with zeros! Can you imagine what losses our companies will have ?!

[atalef]

Quote: zennon

As for the Egyptians, Sharmal Sheikh Airport receives about $ 9 a year. I was not mistaken with zeros

I think I was wrong.

Throughput - more 50 airplanes per day.

where is that kind of money? Zin?
so for comparison

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is one of the busiest airports in the world. Daily he handles 2 flights: every minute the plane lands and takes off. Each month, the airport handles about 54 tons of cargo and 000 tons of mail. In 60, 000 million passengers were served.

[zennon]

Quote: atalef

where is that kind of money? Zin?

Today I heard on television. Seriously.

[Mitek]

Well, if they suspended it for a reason. Yes, and he voiced it. Definitely, the FSB has infa which, in order to avoid panic, cannot be distributed. We look forward to strengthening security measures in public places in Russia itself.
Oh, how I want to send a return to the Saudis ... But above it is more visible.

[goblin xnumx]

about 3 weeks ago, they read out the order banning trips abroad to employees of the Ministry of Emergencies (something like this, still neighing, with what kind of cabbage go then?)

[kimyth1]

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[I am Russian]

Quote: Vladimir

For a long time they were thinking ... From 31.10 and today is 06.11. Seven days to decide on saving the lives of their citizens is a bit much ... Or something has surfaced ..?

Duc from the very beginning the management behaves strangely (5 boards of the Ministry of Emergencies, Minister of Transport, mourning). Now, when such a hype in the media, it means that they are trying to lead the people away from the truth, so to say, to direct them in the right direction.

[veksha50]

Quote: I-Russian

Duc from the very beginning the management behaves strangely (5 boards of the Ministry of Emergencies, Minister of Transport, mourning).

Duc and the Egyptian leadership are also behaving inappropriately ... Before the plane had time to fall, they began, first of all, to renounce the terrorist act ...

It’s clear that they worry about tourism, more specifically, about the loot from tourism, but even so, verbiage was not worth doing right away ...

[His]

No need to breed fuss.
I think that it would be better for the country to conclude on the technical malfunction of the vessel, and the investigation should be completed in a year. And during this time, quietly deal with those who ordered the plane. Although it will be difficult.
And the fact that the ban on aircraft to Egypt, this decision arose after the same bans from several other countries and companies.

[Alexey Lobanov]

Quote: I-Russian

Duc from the very beginning the management behaves strangely (5 boards of the Ministry of Emergencies, Minister of Transport, mourning). Now, when such a hype in the media, it means that they are trying to lead the people away from the truth, so to say, to direct them in the right direction.

Maybe our management simply behaves in accordance with the incoming information? As information becomes available, the reaction also changes ... In my opinion, everything is logical.

[aba]

Is everything logical ?! And when in 2004 two planes filled up the suicide bombers, they behaved, it turns out, illogical ?!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vladimir

Or something surfaced ..?

Apparently something has become clear, such decisions are not taken from the bay-flounder.

[Russiamoy]

in-in. the latter decided when almost all countries suspended. but should have been the first. people for our state are nothing (as in the example with the submarine) - the main thing is not to offend the “friend of Egypt”. and we will never know the truth. otherwise, our government will have to sign the irresponsibility of the inaction of negligence and connivance, etc. - choose the right one. this and other areas had to be taken under control from the point of view of the safety of our tourists from the beginning of the operation in Syria.

[Kamchatsky]

I put a plus, I think it is right that people should be protected, but like “friends” or whatever their “partners” are then!

[Tor5]

Oh yeah! It seems to be tantamount to the sanctions announced to us. Probably something managed to unearth

[AlexTires]

I think that the version with the terrorist attack is beginning to come to the fore, this move after the British turned out to be too mirror. This step is quite serious considering the popularity of holidays in Egypt in our country, but I think the FSB had good reasons to come up with such an offer ...

[Shmal_]

If you gathered the Security Council today, then there is a reason. They gathered the Council immediately after the death of the liner. So then there was no reason for drastic measures. And now there is. They are required to respond. And we can judge by their reaction that the threat is quite serious.

[Fafnir]

The idea is, of course, paranoid, but wasn’t there a "combat aircraft stolen from another country" next to our airliner? It hurts the West unanimously yelled that this is a terrorist attack.

[Fafnir]

Oh how many minuses But there are no arguments. Better tell me, if there are knowledgeable people, can Egyptian air defense detect an F-22 in the area of ​​the liner’s death? And the quote is that our anti-aircraft defense in Syria against a "combat aircraft hijacked from another country" is alarming and, at least for me, bad suspicions creep in.

[aba]

And therefore, I do not believe that the real reason for making this decision is concern for people. For me, there is some kind of pressure on the authorities of Egypt. Maybe it’s just connected with the Mistrals, but we won’t even know about that.

[goblin xnumx]

Kursk was there for a long time too, and then they said, it drowned, here it’s the same, the recorders are damaged and there is little data

[boroda64]

....
and who needs panic ??
- calm and planned
/ where to take so many planes at once - it is necessary to prepare /

[Alexander 67]

"Seven days" for such a disaster is not much. This is you, "old man," "clanking your tongue," like "Soviet multi-station" (almost 60000 ratings per month). And people in power in a country like Russia should be careful about their words and actions.

[DobryAAH]

Purely logical, Fell quickly, the Terras have no missile systems there, it looks like a bomb. The question is, who laid it, maybe our Western partners, or at their direction? Someone really does not want our good relations with Egypt, a bone in the throat ...

[venaya]

Quote: Good AAAH

... The question is, who laid it, maybe our Western partners, or at their direction? Someone really does not want our good relations with Egypt, a bone in the throat ...

"maybe our western partners or at their direction?"- look for"who benefits", the rest, who is the performer - is secondary and cannot be of particular interest to us.

[veksha50]

Quote: venaya

look for "who benefits from it", the rest, who is the performer - is secondary and cannot be of particular interest to us.

Well, no ... "fly - fly like that", wet - so everyone - and the organizers and performers ...

[Fregate]

There is also the thought that this tragedy is not accidental. Egypt and I are on good terms. Egypt buys the Mistral, we would give them an air wing for them. Someone doesn't like it. The budget of Egypt depends on tourism, and this is a tragedy.

[Voha_krim]

Quote: Good AAAH

Purely logical, Fell quickly, the Terras have no missile systems there, it looks like a bomb. The question is, who laid it, maybe our Western partners, or at their direction? Someone really does not want our good relations with Egypt, a bone in the throat ...

Judging by the fact that the recorder of the parameters of all modes showed everything OK until the tail was torn off - it really looks like a bomb.

[Erg]

Well, if the tail itself fell off, due to poor-quality repairs, the recorder would also not give out a "do".

[Cube123]

Quote: Erg

Well, if the tail itself fell off, due to poor-quality repairs, the recorder would also not give out a "do".

Does anyone know: the recorder writes pressure in the cabin? It’s just that if the tail “fell off itself”, then the crack could not have arisen instantly, i.e. There should be a smooth drop in pressure in the cabin as the crack grows. If there was an explosion on board, then there should be a positive pressure surge.

[svd-xnumx]

Judging by the fact that the recorder of the parameters of all modes showed everything OK until the tail was torn off - it really looks like a bomb.

If the explosion occurred in the engine, and this version was first voiced, then the recorders would have time to fix something. And so the tail came off, and the emergency recorder was there, and he just could not register anything.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: svd-xnumx

If the explosion occurred in the engine, and this version was first voiced, then the recorders would have time to fix something. And so the tail came off, and the emergency recorder was there, and he just could not register anything.

Right .. and where did the traces and remnants of the explosive go? decomposed into oxygen and hydrogen? even an express analysis should show them and most likely showed .. then there was a continuous policy since recognizing the terrorist attack would destroy the tourism industry of Egypt ..
GDP made the right decision - not to risk the lives of its citizens .. because they still haven’t found any real performers .. Egypt is extremely uninterested in this and even if it does, it’ll slowly bury it in the Sahara .. it’s big
When two such people - the president and the FSB director make a decision - it is written in red letters - the terrorist attack

[Wedmak]

Something became known to someone? The measures are rather tough and extraordinary.

[Lelek]

Quote: Wedmak

Something became known to someone?

No need to make assumptions. We will wait for the official conclusions, then we will discuss.

[veksha50]

Quote: Lelek

No need to make assumptions. We will wait for the official conclusions, then we will discuss.

Um ... I don’t want to poke a finger ... for the second year, we are also waiting for official conclusions on a different occasion ... Yes, they still try to blame Russia for the fact that, it’s her fault (!!!), not all the wreckage to Holland were sent, some of them were withheld (!!!) ...

[MAKK75]

Well, in principle, it may be right, you need to establish the causes of the disaster and prove it. In order to prevent a pretty good solution, but the economy of Egypt is a big blow)

[STALK1974]

Due to technical malfunctions, special forces will not be called!

[Check]

I agree, and recommendations from the head of the FSB also do not sound on simple matters.

[DobryAAH]

Soon, the head of our state will need an iron character, the lisp ends.
I hope no one thinks that ISIS and other terras arose not without the help of some neighboring states? And these states without the support of the West and their mouth would not open against us. So the corresponding chain is formed. I’m waiting for the situation to develop in several territories from Ukraine to Syria and Iran. They will put pressure on us in full.

[veksha50]

Quote: Good AAAH

They will put pressure on us in full.

For a long time they are crushing ...

[Mountain shooter]

Well now it’s becoming clear - undermining. The conclusion of the commission will be later, there the procedures are complicated, and people are risking now. I was in this Sharm al-Sheikh. Desert airport, heat, guards creeping like sleepy flies. In my opinion, they did not check their baggage at all for departure. In front of my eyes, the luggage cart overturned in the taxi. Bags and suitcases were collected for about fifteen minutes. There, it was possible to add a dynamite car to this baggage, it was already after control. In general, relaxed. Turkey is much tougher.

[Bekas1967]

And yet. The attitude of the staff towards the Russians was defiant. When I was inspected, one insulted the guy, but he was silent, all red from anger but was silent. "You are Russian, yes, tell me Russian yes, who are you? Bear Russian, yes? ? went here, quickly went here! "Three years ago it was a departure from Sharma. On the passport, another, taking his wife’s passport, ran and showed to others, look, how old she was! (mine looks much younger than her years). A lot of freaks! Arabs In a word. We were not respected there, it was. I hope that everything will change. Respect.

[Masya masya]

God saves man, who save himself!

[Victor jnnjdfy]

In my opinion, so far it is clear only that there was an explosion in the air. With the nature of the explosion are determined. It seems to me that it’s too early to write about “terrorist undermining”.

[afdjhbn67]

With the nature of the explosion are determined

I agree.

It seems to me that it’s too early to write about “terrorist undermining”.

Do you think the can of deodorant or the fire extinguisher exploded ??

[Bashibuzuk]

Here, in fact, is the result of the work of the commission.
One that does not need wide publicity.
So to violate the business plans of many carriers and around-the-spinning, it is necessary to have irrefutable evidence. They will devour it differently, together with the guards.
.
And if they knew - why it was necessary to bring the tragedy.
Until the fried one pecks, don't scratch, right?
Or, even further distant layouts?
I do not believe in the initiative of bearded divers, obviously there was an action. Those who first forbidden to fly their own over Sinai.
With this solution, all these efforts of foreigners are multiplied by zero.
There.
But they can climb here too. To us, to Europe, where else, there are few places.
Oh and dreary ...

[tforik]

After such actions, the likelihood that this terrorist attack has greatly increased!

[sergio3004]

The British, too, are troubled to say plainly they can’t what they have there for the information or all the same have revealed the secret?

[asiat_61]

Three days after the crash, the British read the interview, he participated in the investigation of Lockerbie Cases. According to him, the development of the accident is very similar. And the plane was blown up over Lockerbie.

[Nevsky_ZU]

And what's stopping the West. Special Services from helping ISIS to bomb a bomb at other airports in the world? Forgive me, brothers, but I can’t go back to the Pink World, where the Arabs of Boradach bypass the security systems and blow something up there. Not after 11 September.

[AdekvatNICK]

after all, not everything is clean there.

[Diviz]

Well, let's say the luggage compartment exploded; the damaging elements blew up the engine and then hit the tail, which then fell off. This is real?

[Bashibuzuk]

Yes, in principle, enough power pack in one place to break.
The tail was already beaten.
And there the air flow will finish the rest.

[Shmal_]

Dear, after the incident with touching the strip with the tail, the aircraft was not being repaired by us, it was sent to Toulouse to the manufacturer’s factory! This can be considered as an additional fact in plus, but not in minus! In addition to repairs, the plane passed there, an additional, thorough MOT! So the version with sabotage is the most working. And apparently now there is evidence of real confirmation of this version. And perhaps additional facts about the threat. Therefore, they gathered the Security Council. They are required to respond to such things. And already by their reaction, we can conclude how serious the threat is.

[STALK1974]

On Echo of Moscow, now such a stench has risen that the smell of the army "bigus" just seems to be spirits from Chanel. Even it became even more disgusting to visit their site!

[pascal309]

It seems like a provocation of the western intelligence services, America and England. It seems that there is an assumption that the EW system of the Americans located in Jordan worked and that the type of plane was supposed to fall not in Egypt, but that something went wrong as planned. That is why Cameron began to fuss and began to call Putin about the fight against terrorism, and then claim that it is a bomb. The CIA talked about a thermal explosion recorded from space, but at the request of ours to show the data, they immediately shut up. There is an opinion that this was done in order to quarrel us with Egypt. In a word, a muddy story seems like a repeat of Kursk, where the Americans fired on our boat. That's why, in connection with the new data, ours seem to have fussed.

[yuriy55]

I agree, a very suspicious "Cameron call" ...

[tatarin_ru]

It seems like a provocation of the Western intelligence services, America and England. It seems that there is an assumption that the EW system of Americans located in Jordan worked and that the type of plane was supposed to fall not in Egypt

I remember Sochi and the day before the explosion at the station,
Ukraine is a Boeing,
now Syria is an explosion in Egypt, I think it’s without a long arm and the blood of the West’s arm was not enough. IS will not do anything without a team, and in Egypt, without the help of the special services of the Western (USA) states, it would not have been possible.

What are they all the same pid ... sy, not in the sense of homosexual, although not without it, namely the pid .... si, so many attacks around the world have arranged including their twin towers, nothing sacred.

Russia, no matter what, has never pursued a foreign policy.

[tforik]

It is necessary to shake the airport staff and technical staff, IMHO they "missed" the explosive.

[polite people]

this is a blow primarily to Egyptian-Russian relations. And the destabilization of the entire region.

[Papapg]

There are some misunderstandings with this plane, there are no visible injuries from the explosion, the plane fell apart in the air, the power system refused immediately, otherwise the pilots would have recorded something. His Majesty the occasion. In my opinion, officials who affirm one reason or another for the disaster and do not give evidence to their claims are themselves participants and accomplices.

[uhu189]

What is going on at all? When shooting was in Cairo and in Hurghada, the rallies were held in the head, no one came up to interrupt air traffic. When the planes Moscow-Sochi and Moscow-Volgograd suicide bombers blew up nobody forbade flights, even for a while. Why all of a sudden, if the version of the terrorist attack has not been proven and, in accordance with the reports of officials, it is impossible to rush to conclusions? Or is it that conclusions have already been made and the reason is known? Or is it necessary to add even more tension to the country, which has already been agitated, to add? I don’t like somehow all this happening, I really don’t like it ...

[MIKHAN]

Quote: uhu189

Or is it that conclusions have already been made and the reason is known? Or is it necessary to add even more tension to the country, which has already been agitated, to add? I don’t like somehow all this happening, I really don’t like it ...

Most likely the reason is already known ... And the devils are preparing something new.

[w3554152]

Quote: uhu189

I don’t like somehow all this happening, I really don’t like it ...

Like or dislike, but there is a real war on our borders. Where it will pour out, we can only guess. So just m atras will not leave their kitchen to do us nasty things. The safety of their citizens needs to be thought seriously. It's only begining.

[tatarin_ru]

What is going on at all? When shooting was in Cairo and in Hurghada, the rallies were held in the head, no one came up to interrupt air traffic. When the planes Moscow-Sochi and Moscow-Volgograd suicide bombers blew up nobody forbade flights, even for a while

When I see such a reaction of the West, synchronized, planned - the inner voice starts to say to me - “It has already been somewhere, and more than once” and for some reason I begin to dislike this Geyroppa with an arrogant monkey headed.

And before, many people wanted to move to Europe to live, the civilization of EP .... t - is it interesting now too?

[yuriy55]

First of all, this is an attempt to understand the fact of an event (incident) without emotions, based on the facts and materials of the investigation. The suspension is the time to find out the reasons for the involvement of various officials at the airport ... It is unlikely that anyone will be pleased with the prospect of a recurrence of the tragedy ...
It is a simple indispensability, care for the health and lives of passengers ...

[ksv1973]

Quote: yuriy55

It is a simple indispensability, care for the health and lives of passengers ...

What you are talking about - it should have been done on the same day as the leading airlines. But today is an attempt to "make a good face with a bad game." Several days of air travel were made, and here, literally overnight - "do not let go." Such decisions are not made from scratch.
And what kind of "concern for the health and lives of passengers" can we talk about?

[dimoniksm]

At the top, if not the full picture, then 90 percent is known. Therefore, portioned information is dosed. A little later they will slightly open the door. Because you can’t pour out a whole tub of cold water on public opinion at once - there will be a lot of cry. And if a little bit - they will turn a little. And this is a competent approach.

[1536]

Calm, only calm. We must understand that today a lot depends on the vigilance and staunch position of everyone.

[Million]

Egypt "on the eve of a grand schucher," apparently

[cniza]

Quote: marlin1203

This is tantamount to declaring war on Egypt ... they at the expense of the tourism sector and the Russians fill the country's half-budget!

Well, not everything is so simple and it seems to me it's some kind of game.

[Gardamir]

Amazing unity of Russia and the West! This is wf not casual.

[cniza]

Quote: Wedmak

Something became known to someone? The measures are rather tough and extraordinary.

It may be like prevention, but in fact it’s a chess game.

[Signaller]

Well, Putin has forbidden to fly RUSSIAN air carriers to Egypt and what ????? What happened then. ???? I don’t understand how. Wait, there are hundreds of non-Russian carriers. The same Lufthansa and which thread Vietnamkargo and fly instead of ours. A holy place is never empty. We have no time for the CPSU and the President’s words can’t be dealt with. We drove in the 90s these times. It is necessary to resolve issues on the spot, together with the Egyptian special services. Yes, and the flight ban is a colossal forfeit, money back for a flight and a tour, who pays ???? The president of his salary ????? Well, don’t ... From the budget, AND NO MONEY ...... Type ARRIVED.

[Signaller]

The minuscule, why are so worried. From Sharm_ele Sheikh there are a bunch of flights to Geyropu on normal planes. Then what does the air carrier have to do with ????? Well, think about it - even for a minute - there are a bunch of airlines flying. Yes, Kolymavia, either collapsed, or sabotage, But what does the spa people have to do, that they swim in the sea and bought tickets. ????? To buy children, to relax on their own, and here Aeroflot doesn’t fly to Egypt here. To this I would personally say yes to the pofing, I will fly PanAmerican or to those who fly there through Paris. I want to heal bones in the sea. And our Secretary General-type GDP says nizya. Not so rolls. For ours - nizya, so the market. There are a bunch of others, which are mono.

[Cube123]

Quote: Signaller

And our Secretary General-type GDP says nizya. Not so rolls. For ours - nizya, so the market. There are a bunch of others, which are mono.

And turn on the brain and think a little? If there is a war against Russia, then it is Russian aircraft in the zone of maximum risk. A plane of a neutral country, please fly.

[1536]

Do we have a sky passage yard or something? Or in order to fly to Egypt you need to get to Vietnam or Berlin first? In this case, maybe people in a hurry to North Africa are given extra money for traveling and do not require such money back? Unclear.
In general, a strange decision of some kind, hasty and thoughtless. And the British are still entangled with some kind of side. They go with red circles with a black hole on the lapels of their jackets, muttering something.
Although, of course, you can imagine yourself in the place of these tourists who are not allowed to go anywhere, they are in a foreign country, there is little money, children ... and it becomes terribly terrible.

[Cook]

Transport between third countries is prohibited by law. Want Lufthansa, fly to Berlin / Frankfurt / Cologne-Bonn, from there to Egypt. Money will return the airline and travel agencies. Such risks are known and calculated; in contracts this is called force majeure. If a tsunami, volcano or earthquake - what is the fundamental difference in terms of returning funds?

[tforik]

Quote: yuriy55

I agree, a very suspicious "Cameron call" ...

and what is suspicious, he simply personally shared information from his special services, which seemed to be a "bomb." After that, Patrushev and Putin said that you can’t temporarily fly to Egypt.

[Aleksey_K]

Since the president himself forbade flying to Egypt, it means that it is not publicly known that this was a terrorist explosion. This analysis is done quite quickly. And there is no need for a prosecutor’s permission to seize material evidence at the crime scene, especially since there are so many things that belong to someone that they don’t even establish and the picture will not spoil the picture of the incident.

[Signaller]

Our plane may have banged, and where are the tourists ????? Why evacuate them ???? Type MES makes money. ????? Well, there are a bunch of non-Russian carriers. So they are dear. And the grandmother will also get them. And here, a direct indication of the Ministry of Emergencies evacuates and receives money for it. (Are you in doubt about this ?? I'm not a little bit.)

[Erg]

It may very well be. In favor of this is the fact that the pilots immediately died. Although, if depressurization, the cabin should have protected them for a while. I’m wrong - I'm not very on airplanes

[Kamchatsky]

And according to the instructions, and in fact, the pilots always have oxygen masks at hand, the equipment and the motility of their dressing worked out on simulators almost to automatism, unless they have an “explosive” depressurization, they should have time to put on a mask and press the radio button. The recording goes both to speech and to parametric MSRP (or whatever they have there). Another thing is if no one could press a button there.
It's my personal opinion.

[tforik]

The British part of the planes flying to Egypt deployed in the air. It only means that information has been received from the special services about a high level of thermal hazard.
When will they officially announce the terrorist attack?

[Signaller]

Yes, Sorry, revered. Vik. What the president offers is ... Return tourists from Egipt. What ???? What is he ... A barrel is being rolled on us there. Bombs explode. ???? Yes, it seems so far quiet. Why such agility ????. Inexplicably all this. Apparently they want to substitute our GDP for the displeasure of citizens, no more. Yes, the plane itself may have collapsed, or maybe .... Well, the stump is clear, bad, but where do the tourists swimming in the sea ????? Unclear.

[evge-malyshev]

Yes ... Hit like a hen in the pluck.
I sympathize with those who were going to rest, and those who were going to return home.

[miru mir]

The situation is not pleasant ...

[aba]

those who were about to return home.

They just do not have problems.

[ODERVIT]

In the circumstances, the measure is correct, but belated. When planning an air force operation in Syria, the possible risks were not worked out at all or were not worked out in all areas of Russia's interests in that region. And the flights had to be rounded off two three months before the start, under any pretext. This, in my opinion, is a tragic oversight of powerful minds.

[combat66]

So it may not fly at all ?! Where it is thin, there it is torn. There is no security in Egypt, plus our mentality, when there is obvious danger, and to the citizens before the lamp! Any German, if even a terrorist sneezes there, you won’t drive him there! And we have favorite places where 100 km. the war is on.
When fighting took place in the Arabian spring in Cairo, Western companies closed flights, and ours quite calmly said that this did not concern us and calmly basked in the waters of the Red Sea.
Who is to blame ?! And what to do ?!

[exalex2]

If you simply shut yourself off from the whole world and say “government”, you have everything .. Probably then they will come up with a reason to explain why everything is collapsed. And why some even sit at the feeding trough. The result is not important. People go to the polls ..

[Peresvet_613]

If the FSB makes such recommendations and the president agrees with them, then the likelihood of a terrorist attack is quite high. As the saying goes: "Coincidence? I don't think so."
Z.Y. Often I pay attention ... The first article of the year where the word "Motherland" is written with a capital letter.

[Signaller]

Yes bullshit all this. In that year, the flight crashed near Donetsk, where are our satellites ???? Clearly, the matter is in deep .... ne. Then, wait, type of sabotage, And where are our companions ???? Again in the deep .... ne. The FSB general-he would have been better thinking about the satellites, and not because he was leaking MI 6 or the CIA. I must know it myself. And for this we need grandmas, and alcohol, the same grandmas (in the budget of the USSR 25% are not frail babos) in the budget themselves spread rot. The FSB’s left hand does not know what the right hand does — the type of economic management — well, it’s always ours.

[Fafnir]

Here you forgot to send satellite images.

[Ilnarturk]

Apparently, Cameron still gave some information to Putin, which the FSB checked and ....

[Vasiliy1]

Think for yourself why this is all done!? Everyone swears with Russia! But what is it for? This is for that comrades! To get more out of us! Think well! Who is doing everything! Chubais has to be sent to prison !!! Well, friend who covers him But you know that !!!

[Abrekkos]

Quote: Voha_krim

Judging by the fact that the recorder of the parameters of all modes showed everything OK until the tail was torn off - it really looks like a bomb.

Well, let’s put it when the tail is torn off as a result of a fatigue crack. This is confirmed by similar episodes in China, Japan ... Nothing was recorded there except for BUMM.

In addition, the A321 has an overloaded wing. An airplane with such a wing easily breaks into a horizontal corkscrew and there is no way out of it. Of course, just like that, he won’t fall off, you need to sort out the height, or the angle of attack, or there must be a powerful aerodynamic effect that is possible including and in case of a serious engine accident, wing mechanization accident ... By the way, with the mechanization of the wing, the 320s used to have problems they had black (from composites).
In a word, I could have fallen without a bomb.

Here, in my opinion, they did the right thing. Stop and that's it. Until the situation is completely clarified and possible causes are eliminated.

Are there few ISIS sympathizers in Egypt? Who said that they do not work at airports? They are there Muslim brothers I remember recently chose. We are bombing Syria. We are enemies for them.

There is an iron rule in aviation: if there is a suspicion that something is wrong - incur any losses - stop flights. Although after the last story with the Boeing 737, I’m already not sure if it’s working.

Maybe because of this, I had to turn to the president himself?
No one else can stand in the way of big money.

[Valevampo]

I read a lot about the A321, I haven’t seen anywhere that it has problems with the wings, this plane is praised for its excellent stability, can you give more details?

[Abrekkos]

Where did you read? It’s unlikely to be on the Internet. There, in general, the technical information is almost 0. Only large scandals come out like with 787. In addition, you need to look for 320 instead of 321, this is the same plane but the 320s are much more and they usually talk about the 320 family.
The problems were not with the wing itself (it’s their usual), but with mechanization (it’s black) it was a matter of stratification of the composite and diffusion corrosion at the joints with metal parts (hinges and drive units). Because of this, cars in the late 90s landed for example in the UK for a month or so. Maybe you can find something about this.

[Kamchatsky]

I agree completely, I won’t even fly until the technician finds a screwdriver. (And she sticks out of his pocket.)

[samarin1969]

Sharman Sheikh comes full Egyptian ...

The Egyptians got a hot incentive to shake up the Sinai desert and catch the elusive Beit al-Makdis ... If Israel allows ...

Al-Sisi could also take part in supplying the RF Armed Forces ...
If Barack permits ...

[AIR-ZNAK]

Infa ran from the site * Flytradar 24 com * about the fact that the car jumped on a hill from 9 to 10 thousand meters twice and fell into a tailspin. That would explain.

[Valevampo]

On Wednesday, two of my colleagues were going to Egypt, who will now refund their travel expenses to them? I think that many fellow citizens today asked such a question, because for tour operators this is force majeure. A belated decision is tantamount to stupidity. Although I am glad that they will not fly, they’ll leave for work a couple of days from the lowering, with a return somehow later, of course

[aba]

Tour operators already offer Turkey to everyone - that’s where stability and security are. Oh yes! There the sea is already cold and there are no corals with their living creatures, so this is x @ * nya!

[gcn]

Bortnikov, as the head of the FSB, recommended this and is taking care of our citizens. The rest is our speculation.

[Signaller]

If today I had a ticket to Egypt, then we could understand how angry I would be. But tours sell, people buy ??? Who will pay the penalty ???? GDP or budget ????? Well, you need to think, and not throw words. Sabotage is bad, but there are facts that it itself crumbled. (last words after that-government-on soap) So we live, we wait.

[Mama_Cholli]

What happened should be a punishment for the Arabs, or rather for their tourism industry ...

[samarin1969]

"punishment for the Arabs (?) ...? ... For what? ...

[starshina pv]

the French transmit: the sound of an explosion is heard on the recorders! here is the ban .....

[Dalmatia]

Where do the French transmit? Can I link?

[pilot bin-bom]

The attack? Bomb? Bookmark?
So the bookmark could be in flight mode software. According to a special command, certain commands were sent to the engine - he went to the quarrel before the explosion.
Bookmarks in software is already such an accepted thing - an example of Volkswagen that as a version is quite likely.

[pilot bin-bom]

a sneaky minuscule bastard - put a minus - justify it, but how the Ukrainians have habits.

[Cook]

I didn’t give you a minus, but this is too complicated and difficult to implement. In addition to the ESA, the engine has a simple hydro-mechanical duplication. Yes, and poorly imagine how you can bring the engine to an explosion. Perhaps you can bring it to the fire, but there’s nothing to explode there. One of the requirements for the engine is that breaking the turbine blades would not lead to serious consequences.

[8982795roman]

backstage games flooded the campaign. In Russia, tragedy and a possible negative public reaction to the Syrian operation, in Egypt pressure on the tourism industry

[starshina pv]

Quote: Dalmatia

Where do the French transmit? Can I link?

yes in Yandex, in the news ...

[Dalmatia]

Yes, I found ... Thank you.