Military Review

The average size of the monetary allowance for servicemen of the Armed Forces

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation published data on the average level of monetary allowances for military personnel in 2014 year. And although all this information looks like an “average temperature in the hospital,” it still makes sense to present it. So, if you believe the officials of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the average size of the money allowance of a Russian military serviceman according to 2014 results was 62,1 thousand rubles. "Military Industrial Courier" submit a statement to an informed interviewee:


Thus, in 2012, the average cash remuneration of military personnel was 57,8 thousand rubles, in 2013 year - 59,9 thousand rubles, in 2014 year - 62,1 thousand rubles.


The average size of the monetary allowance for servicemen of the Armed Forces


It is noted that the number of servicemen at the disposal of commanders due to insecurity in housing has been reduced from 46,6 thousand people to 6,2 thousand in two years. As a result of releasing a considerable amount, the military has been able to pay the so-called housing subsidy. It is noted that housing for military personnel continues to be built in various regions of the country. The most impressive pace of construction is in the Central Federal District.
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  1. Grbear
    Grbear 6 November 2015 16: 52 New
    33
    With housing, it’s more clear. And the salary ... As is customary in the country - 36,6 on average in a hospital, including a morgue.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 6 November 2015 16: 59 New
      11
      So I have a question:
      But what about the assurances of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Putin, dear to me, when he, raising the DD to an appropriate, decent level (2,5-3 times?) Said (more than once) that he would index it along with inflation and even faster, higher?
      + they also removed all the privileges (for example, I don’t understand how you can remove the privilege for travel on vacation, at least! After all, a family of 4 people to relax in Sochi (eg) from Krasnodar and from Novosibirsk (eg) is different (significantly) Dazhenka required! Huh?)
      At least this benefit is deserved by the essence of military service!
      1. jjj
        jjj 6 November 2015 17: 03 New
        +3
        And according to clothing contentment. A set of molds for 70 thousand stands
        1. Alexey.N
          Alexey.N 6 November 2015 17: 48 New
          -48




          I wonder who owns such a specific luxury? Some Asian underground settled in Rublevka, not otherwise.
          We quickly established the owner, or rather the owner.
          The land consists of two plots - 1768 sq.m. and 7232 sq.m., only 9000 sq.m., in the most elite place - the village of Barvikha.
          The first of the sites is a certain Elena Alexandrovna Antipina bought a April 2010

          Interesting. Almost a hectare in the heart of Rublevka belongs to a completely unknown and incomprehensible woman.
          It was possible to find out that Elena Alexandrovna Antipina is a native of the city of Achinsk in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. On this, the traces of the mysterious Elena Alexandrovna broke off.

          Caught in a dead end, just in case we decided to request historical extracts for both sites (plot 1768 sq.m., plot 7232 sq.m.) and saw beautiful there.

          http://alburov.ru/2015/10/shoygy/
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 6 November 2015 18: 04 New
            15
            As far as I know, in Barvikha - State ownership, i.e. there are such houses, but they are provided to use civil servants, while they are in the civil service (naturally, high public duties!)
            1. WUA 518
              WUA 518 6 November 2015 18: 15 New
              11
              Quote: Baikonur
              As far as I know, in Barvikha - State property
              In Barvikha, elite guarded cottage villages were erected, as well as private estates and houses. At Welhome you can purchase land for development, as well as finished houses and cottages that will fully satisfy your needs in terms of architectural concept, area and cost.

              The infrastructure of Barvikha village includes a huge selection of shopping centers and shops of the highest class, restaurants and cafes, entertainment complexes. There are schools, kindergartens, medical centers and much more. In minute accessibility there are reserves, sports clubs, tennis courts and the whole rich infrastructure of Rublevo-Uspensky direction.

              We will be happy to help you buy a house in Barvikha, one that is ideal for you, please call. http://www.welhome.ru/zagorodnaya-nedvizhimost/barviha-s-0143
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            2. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 6 November 2015 23: 21 New
              0
              I think you do not know everything :)
            3. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 8 November 2015 00: 45 New
              0
              If the land is registered as a private person, then what the hell is state property?
          2. DobryAAH
            DobryAAH 6 November 2015 18: 10 New
            0
            Envy people, you can - earn it yourself. Some have already envy in Ukraine, reaped the war. Is it really not visible how donkeys are made of you with phrases about corruption and play envy?
            1. Evgeny Khokhlov
              Evgeny Khokhlov 6 November 2015 18: 53 New
              +9
              Do you want to say corruption must close your eyes?
              1. sergey2183
                sergey2183 6 November 2015 23: 26 New
                +2
                close your envy
            2. veteran66
              veteran66 6 November 2015 19: 35 New
              +3
              Quote: Good AAAH
              Envy people, you can - earn it yourself.

              What did he earn on what? The ministerial salary, although large, is not enough for such a pagoda.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 6 November 2015 20: 40 New
                12
                Quote: veteran66
                What did he earn on what? The ministerial salary, although large, is not enough for such a pagoda.
                Pick up the drool - they buried the entire carpet!
                А поинтересовался кто-нибудь, кто такой этот Георгий Албуров? Который "жареные факты" раскопал?!
                For me personally, it was enough to find out WHERE he communicates:
                http://alburov.ru/2015/11/echo/
                Draw your own conclusions ?! wassat
              2. lukke
                lukke 6 November 2015 22: 11 New
                +6
                all honest work and feats of arms, like the star of the Hero of Russia, the award barrel, etc. I say without jealousy - it’s just disgusting how this Caudle was able to devalue military awards in just the last twenty years
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 6 November 2015 22: 51 New
                  +1
                  Quote: lukke
                  all honest work and feats of arms,

                  Странное рассуждение для "зомбированного мос.ка.ля" lol
                  Do not be offended - they yourself entered them. I am not trying to reason, WHERE is it all, and WHOSE it is - I say that I have no confidence in the information provided, for a reason "нежной дружбы" автора с самыми лживыми и подлыми либерастами в России!
                  As for
                  Quote: lukke
                  it’s disgusting how this codla was able to devalue military awards in just the last twenty years
                  -согласен абсолютно, особенно взбесило награждение сечиновского сыночка "за заслуги".. Но не Шойгу это инициировал, и Звезду, как мне помнится, он получил как министр МЧС?
                  And that ВСЕ, сидящие "наверху", пользуются своим положением в личных целях, никаких сомнений! Радует, что хотя бы "в разной степени" wassat
                2. Rusich is not from Kiev
                  Rusich is not from Kiev 7 November 2015 02: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: lukke
                  all honest work and feats of arms, like the star of the Hero of Russia, the award barrel, etc. I say without jealousy - it’s just disgusting how this Caudle was able to devalue military awards in just the last twenty years

                  Of course, I understand everything and it’s very unpleasant, but let’s clean then. When Brezhnev was hanged the hero of the USSR and dozens of other citizens did not discount the award? Do you think pistols then did not give premium?
                  Any power, I emphasize ANYONE, gives a reward to many people for political or personal reasons. This applies to all countries from the United States to Gabon. There is no exception.
                  There are military awards, here they are an exception, such as in the RI of Georgia, in the USSR the Red Star, and in the Russian Federation probably the Order of Courage.
                  So you minus.
                  1. corn
                    corn 8 November 2015 18: 57 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
                    There are military awards, here they are an exception, such as in the RI of Georgia, in the USSR the Red Star, and in the Russian Federation probably the Order of Courage.
                    So you minus.

                    You, too, are a minus for ignorance of the history of the Order of the Red Star, categorical judgments, arrogance, great conceit (pride is a great sin)
                    "1. Установить награждение орденами и медалями СССР за выслугу лет в Красной Армии генералов, офицеров и сержантского состава сверхсрочной службы:
                    a) for 10 years of service - the medal "For Military Merit";
                    b) for 15 years of service - the Order of the Red Star;
                    c) for 20 years of service - the Order of the Red Banner;
                    d) for 25 years of service - the Order of Lenin;
                    e) for 30 years of service - the second Order of the Red Banner (from the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of June 4, 1944 “On the awarding of orders and medals to generals, officers and non-commissioned officers of the long service for the length of service in the Red Army” and “Instructions on the order” awarding orders and medals of the USSR for the length of service in the Red Army ”). Awarded until 1958. Like this.
                    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                      Rusich is not from Kiev 9 November 2015 17: 42 New
                      -1
                      Quote: corn
                      great conceit (pride is a great sin)

                      Are you this to yourself?
                      То есть с 44 по 58 год перечёркивает всё остальное? Во время ВОВ Красная Звезда была очень ценная награда и по многим воспоминаниям она ценилась даже выше Золотои Звезды. Я специально указал этот орден так как им награждали солдат и офицеров все 70 лет СССР.Ну если тебе не нравиться можно "За отвагу " например.

                      Коментарии не про наградах , а об их "обесценивании" . Можете, что по делу написать или гордыня обуяла?

                      Oh yes, minus you.
                  2. lukke
                    lukke 10 November 2015 22: 26 New
                    0
                    Брежнев хоть участник ВОВ и реально воевал на Малой Земле. А Шойгу где участвовал, кроме корпоративов и брифингов? При Брежневе таких ляпов с наградными стволами не было - политэлиту награждали охотничьими ружьями и ценными подарками, военных - да - могли и стволами, но не топ-менеджеров и коммерсантов на "потоке". Так что минусовать можете до крайнего экстаза, но такого бардака при Брежневе не было, а кто с "ценностями" зарывался повторяли путь Щелокова и т.д. Знаете из чего он застрелился (тоже кстати фронтовик)? из ружья, не было у министра внутренних дел наградного боевого ствола, представляете?
            3. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2015 17: 34 New
              +3
              Это не зависть, и это не нормально когда у чиновника дома стоят по нескольку десятков миллионов долларов!!! Даже если это Шойгу!!! И не надо путать слова "заработать" и "украсть у государства, то есть у нищего народа России"!!! Что зарплата Шойгу позволяет ему покупать участки в таких местах и строить такие дома? Нет не позволяет... Вот например в тех же ненавистных США у известного финансиста Бернарке - председателя резервной системы квартира с еще не выплаченной ипотекой!!!!!!! Меня меня уже это дико бесит... Васильевы, Сердюковы, мэры всех российских городов и губернаторы всех губерний, а еще судьи, прокурорские и мусара, бл... Вор на воре... По мне так еще чуть чуть и я сам возьмусь за оружие... Лучше перестрелять этих бл...дей, чем смотреть как страну окончательно разворуют, а потом предадут во время конфликта разыгранного по сценарию Ливии, Сирии и прочих стран... Во всем этом виноваты не США, а продажные чиновники и политики России... Знаете почему все российские "звезды" шоубизнеса рожают детей в США, да потомучто это они проводят корпаративы и праздники у наших чиновников, очень близко с ними общаются, часто уже после застолья и знают как обстоят дела в нашей стране из первых уст, поэтому и дарят совим детям американское гражданство, потомучто будущего у нашей страны НЕТ, с такими чиновниками и такой политической, судебной и правоохранительной системой...
            4. Hon
              Hon 8 November 2015 00: 13 New
              0
              that
              Quote: Good AAAH
              Envy people, you can - earn it yourself. Some have already envy in Ukraine, reaped the war. Is it really not visible how donkeys are made of you with phrases about corruption and play envy?

              the same is true for Serdyukov. man has earned, and everyone is jealous. so do you think?
              Shoigu has a seafood business, relatively this is not so much corruption. but still there are questions, but what about business?
            5. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 8 November 2015 00: 53 New
              +1
              I personally do not envy. If a person controls millions of people while working in a government agency, then he must earn money accordingly. Therefore, by and large, Shoigu deserved such a palace. BUT, if we approach the issue formally, then the cost of the palace clearly does not correspond to official income. It turns out that senior officials spit on the law essentially committing criminal offenses. They became hostages of their own politics, on the one hand declaring their small incomes, declaring themselves silver-free, and on the other hand, they lead a very luxurious life with all the attributes due. They would say honestly Shoigu earns a million dollars a month - no questions. And so what respect can be for a person who is lying to you
          3. Mik-51
            Mik-51 6 November 2015 18: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexey.N

            Alexey.N


            Envious you, sir, bloke ...
            Become a minister like Shoigu, deserve it, and you will have such a house.
            And envy, so meanly, is just not good ... repeat
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 18: 37 New
              23
              Quote: mik-51
              Envious you, sir, bloke ...
              Become a minister like Shoigu, deserve it, and you will have such a house.
              And envy, so meanly, is just not good ...

              Or maybe stealing or getting beyond measure is not good? Protecting thieves, then, well, well. Normal Minister of Defense and 300 thousand rubles at present - above the head is enough. But such houses and plots can only be captured by robbing citizens of the country, though now it is considered legal. And who makes up laws, maybe a baker turner? Yes, oligarch thieves compose, and deputies for bribes and profits in the business of relatives approve these thieves' incomes.
              Второе - когда Вы написали: "Вы, сэр, хмырь..." - это оскорбление. На сайте это запрещено.
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 6 November 2015 19: 16 New
                +5
                Quote: Алексей_К
                Normal Minister of Defense and 300 thousand rubles. at present - above the head is enough.

                Nizya, then the adversary will pay him 300 thousand dollars.
                1. servant.
                  servant. 6 November 2015 19: 22 New
                  +6
                  But he is also a patriot! Everyone is talking! and patriots do not take bribes are not sold! or not?
                  1. GRAY
                    GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 04 New
                    -6
                    Quote: serviceman.
                    But he is also a patriot! Everyone is talking! and patriots do not take bribes are not sold! or not?

                    Patriotism should be adequately paid for.
                    1. servant.
                      servant. 6 November 2015 20: 06 New
                      +3
                      Everyone should live worthy and not only those who are currently considered a patriot ..
                      1. GRAY
                        GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 21 New
                        0
                        Quote: serviceman.
                        Everyone should live worthy and not only those who are currently considered a patriot ..

                        Yeah, those who go to London for permanent residence, think the same way.
                      2. servant.
                        servant. 6 November 2015 20: 23 New
                        +1
                        You did not guess ... pensioners, doctors, teachers, students at last)))
                      3. GRAY
                        GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 35 New
                        -2
                        Quote: serviceman.
                        You did not guess ... pensioners, doctors, teachers, students at last)))

                        I did not guess, but voiced the fact.
                        retirees, doctors, teachers, students finally

                        Они, конечно, тоже хотят. Вот только, боюсь, если они резко начнут жить "достойно", то я, как человек работающий, резко начну жить очень плохо, потому что налоги плачу именно я.
                      4. servant.
                        servant. 6 November 2015 20: 36 New
                        +1
                        And that's why the appetites of the top manager and reduce the time ...
                      5. GRAY
                        GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 51 New
                        +3
                        Quote: serviceman.
                        appetite for top manager and reduce time

                        They are paid a lot because they earn much more for companies.
                        And in general, where are they from? This is an internal matter of the organization to whom how much to pay.
                        Or are you all shoigu procrastinate? He has a normal salary for his position, the security forces generally receive the most.
                      6. servant.
                        servant. 6 November 2015 20: 54 New
                        +1
                        With a declaration of income must fight ..
                      7. GRAY
                        GRAY 6 November 2015 21: 06 New
                        0
                        Quote: serviceman.
                        With a declaration of income must fight ..

                        And he beats.
                      8. servant.
                        servant. 6 November 2015 22: 02 New
                        0
                        you so want))) and the family?
              2. Down House
                Down House 6 November 2015 20: 49 New
                +3
                Quote: GRAY
                если они резко начнут жить "достойно", то я, как человек работающий, резко начну жить очень плохо

                That's it!
                Даешь каждому стороннику уравниловки маршрутку за 100 рублей и вызов сантехника за 5000 руб - они все тоже хотят жить "достойно"! ))))
              3. servant.
                servant. 6 November 2015 20: 50 New
                +2
                And what should those who work be poor? How long will they tolerate this? There are more of them!
              4. avia1991
                avia1991 6 November 2015 21: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: serviceman.
                those who work should be beggars?

                Нет, не должны. Но Вам же и предложили: давайте будем платить за проезд 100 рублей -тогда водители маршруток смогут получить достойное вознаграждение! И сантехнику будем за вызов на замену буксы, или поплавка в унитазе 5000 платить - тоже для "достойного" вознаграждения за его труд!.. А Вы как хотите? ДЕНЬГИ НА ДОСТОЙНОЕ "ДЛЯ ВСЕХ" ОТКУДА ВЗЯТЬ? Только у таких же "достойных" - У НАС САМИХ. request
              5. GRAY
                GRAY 6 November 2015 21: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: avia1991
                ДЕНЬГИ НА ДОСТОЙНОЕ "ДЛЯ ВСЕХ" ОТКУДА ВЗЯТЬ?

                He thinks that he will fall from heaven. lol
              6. servant.
                servant. 6 November 2015 22: 04 New
                +4
                I don’t think that everything should fall, I think that everyone should plow, and the rent from natural resources should be everything and not ours ..
      2. maximus
        maximus 7 November 2015 01: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: GRAY
        because I pay taxes.

        And they, in due time did not pay (pensioners) when you wrote in diapers?
  2. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 6 November 2015 23: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: GRAY
    Yeah, those who go to London for permanent residence, think the same way.

    And what does the city of London have to do with it ..? The conversation is about not painting the key minister, the security official and just a good man; the estate is not on a salaryIf I go on a tram and a pickpocket gets into my pocket, then he will get in the face, and then interrogations, questions. What is the difference between the corrupt structure of the highest hierarchy of power and the pickpocket? Correct, on the scale .. It's one thing to slush your wallet and get drunk to hell out of such luck, and the other is to be a STATE official! not a youthful shirt and a person close to the Emperor. I’ll immediately give it to the tramp in the face, but with theft in the highest echelons of power, everything is powerless. I read your posts, you actually agree that these are Kuzhugetovich’s assets, but the question arises. If his property exceeds the amount of his tax return and there’s nothing for him, who is he? A friend of Serdyukov and Putin’s comrade-in-arms, or are you stoned that the bureaucrats are launching their bulldozers in the pocket of an honest taxpayer?
  3. avia1991
    avia1991 8 November 2015 00: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    The conversation is about not painting the key minister, the security official and just a good man.

    Alexei, without going into details, I will ask only one question: YOU SEE DOCUMENTS, confirming the ownership of Shoigu specifically on this house?! ..
    А "народная молва" с "Эха моськи" - она, знаете ли, много чего и много кому приписывает. Похоже, что завсегдатаи "Эха" слюнями от зависти заходятся - оттого лишь, что У НИХ ЭТОГО НЕТ! А не оттого, что они - ярые борцы за справедливость.
    I will not argue whose house it is - maybe Shoigu. But I personally probably don’t know - but because I’m not going to wave my saber. And I do not advise you hi
  • Dryuya2
    Dryuya2 6 November 2015 21: 09 New
    +6
    Quote: serviceman.
    and patriots do not take bribes are not sold! or not?


    Quote: mik-51
    And envy, so meanly, just not good

    this is not envy, but GO * BUT stuffing. EHHX and many were led and not ashamed ??? belay
    Oleg Lurie and Vladimir Soloviev on Vesti. FM 05.11.2015 Shoigu Palace
    all on the shelves soldier
    1. iAi
      iAi 25 November 2015 19: 17 New
      0
      FSO can strip any information
      including property of relatives of S. Shoigu. The situation is similar to the story with an apartment decorated for the daughter of Irina Yarovoy, in which Irina herself lives with her husband.

      Yes, leaders of a country of such a high level should rest, regain strength, but this does not require astronomical salaries. The reasoning about salaries in the capitalist world is not entirely fair. For a patriot of Russia, a salary of 20 thousand US dollars per month should be enough. (Although in India there is some kind of multimillionaire, the head of the company, who himself has appointed a good salary by Indian standards, a salary of $ 200 per month.)
  • Down House
    Down House 6 November 2015 19: 38 New
    +4
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Normal Minister of Defense and 300 thousand rubles. at present - above the head is enough.

    Why, what immediately 300, let's 30 and not a penny more!
    Видимо то, что "эти самые 300" - это иногда доход хозяина шаурменной, вам неведомо.
    People like you apparently are not aware that the top managers of PRIVATE companies often have monthly income of millions, tens of millions of rubles per month.
    So, if you want professionals to be at the helm of the state, one sense of patriotism is not enough - you can be a patriot in a private company and get there 100 times more.
    If you want to see professionals at the helm of the state - provide them with an income - at least comparable to paying similar positions at private companies.
    We still have a market state - and we must reckon with this!
    Поэтому все лично все равно, сколько стоит "содержание" Шойгу, пусть хоть на золотом вертолете летает - главное РЕЗУЛЬТАТ и безопасность государства - золотой вертолет стоит в тысячи раз дешевле, чем плата за ошибки, совершенные лицом с подобным ему уровнем ответственности.
    PS. While writing, I shared $ 18 million for all citizens of the Russian Federation, it turned out a little more than 6 rubles per person per minister’s house - Astronomical damn amount, coffee from a vending machine costs at least 3 times more expensive laughing
    1. servant.
      servant. 6 November 2015 19: 41 New
      +5
      If professionals are at the helm, then former servicemen do not receive a pension with a lower coefficient ..
      1. Down House
        Down House 6 November 2015 20: 18 New
        +1
        Это уже другой вопрос, мои слова "обеспечьте им доход - минимум сопоставимый с оплатой аналогичных должностей у частных компаний" относится естественно не только к министрам - не считаю справедливым, когда например командир части получает меньше директора ЧОП, который командует иногда по сути ротой.
        Но и не разделяю мнения - что министры должны получать мало - они естественно тоже должны зарабатывать хотя бы "на уровне дохода в частных компаниях на аналогичных должностях".
        1. servant.
          servant. 6 November 2015 20: 20 New
          +2
          Да кто против? Но в декларации должны "биться"и доходы и расходы так то...
    2. GRAY
      GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Down House

      Why, what immediately 300, let's 30 and not a penny more!

      Many believe that he should live in a cardboard box.
      1. servant.
        servant. 6 November 2015 20: 05 New
        0
        He must honestly report on his income, just that! If he is silent then why if everything is clean?
        1. Down House
          Down House 6 November 2015 20: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: serviceman.
          If he is silent then why if everything is clean?

          Я со свечкой не стоял, но у нас среди многих общепринято что "чиновник должен быть нищим и ездить на трамвае" - в целях "политкоректности" наши чиновники в ответ прибедняются.
      2. Down House
        Down House 6 November 2015 20: 20 New
        0
        Quote: GRAY
        Many believe that he should live in a cardboard box.

        И звать его должны наверное Равшан и Джамшут, потому что люди имеющие как высшие образования так и опыт работы на руководящих должностях "почему-то" не хотят работать за те суммы, которые хочет платить своим "слугам" заботливый народ.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 November 2015 20: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Down House
          люди имеющие как высшие образования так и опыт работы на руководящих должностях "почему-то" не хотят работать за те суммы, которые хочет платить своим "слугам" заботливый народ.

          But this is already in vain. Worried about deputy salary, or what?
          А уж если говорить о СПРАВЕДЛИВОЙ оплате - то давайте согласимся: у профессионала она должна быть БОЛЬШЕ, чем "в среднем по стране"( lol as consider this average ..) - but not by several orders of magnitude? !!
    3. avia1991
      avia1991 6 November 2015 20: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: Down House
      While writing, I shared $ 18 million for all citizens of the Russian Federation, it turned out a little more than 6 rubles per person per minister’s house - Astronomical damn amount, coffee from a vending machine costs at least 3 times more expensive

      Good comparison! good It is intelligible and clear!
      And information about how much a house costs - not a minister, mind you: at least formally he has no relation to this house - a person spreads, в друзьях имеющий всеми "любимое" "Эхо Москвы": http://alburov.ru/2015/11/echo/ Does this cause any associations among the people? Ah, TRUTHLIGHTS ?! wassat
      1. servant.
        servant. 6 November 2015 20: 52 New
        +2
        No problem! The official refutation and that’s it! Who is against it)))
    4. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2015 21: 19 New
      +4
      so pay professionals??
      then - excuse me, comrades colonels / generals who put conscripts in the first Chechnya - you have nothing to pay for, YOU turned out to be illiterate / unprofessional Basayev with the Tractor Driver ...
      They didn’t graduate from military schools, they didn’t pass academies and courses, nevertheless they turned out to be more effective than you (according to the results) ....
      Why do you pay increased / combat pensions ?? for stars and beautifully written reports about how the 6 bridge was restored once (UNBOARDED AT ALL !!!!) or about how the columns were beautifully directed ???

      ZY Patient is a question, very ill, and the people treat him very differently, but in what understanding of the military crying people live - no ...

      З.Ы.З.Ы вот почему-то уверен что после ВОВ офицеры не кричали(даже те кто уходил по инвалидности и имел право на пенсию):"Дайте нам денег - да побольше!!!!",а тогда все-таки тяжелее было...
      the army should be с the people are not above him (what happens when over they saw him in 1917-1918 ...)
      1. servant.
        servant. 6 November 2015 22: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: your1970

        the army should be с the people are not above him (what happens when over they saw him in 1917-1918 ...)

        But this is the point! And even the trouble is not far ...
  • avia1991
    avia1991 6 November 2015 21: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Второе - когда Вы написали: "Вы, сэр, хмырь..." - это оскорбление. На сайте это запрещено.

    Специально для Вас - "оскорбленных":
    SI Ozhegov, N.Yu.Shvedova. Explanatory dictionary of the Russian language.

    bloke, th, m. (simple, rude.). Unpleasant or strange person.
    WHERE DO YOU SEE INSURANCE ??? Yes, and banned?
  • servant.
    servant. 6 November 2015 18: 52 New
    +3
    maybe it’s worth not to earn but to earn? When Serdyukov deserved it so!
  • vovanpain
    vovanpain 6 November 2015 19: 34 New
    +9
    Quote: mik-51
    Envious you, sir, bloke ...
    Become a minister like Shoigu, deserve it, and you will have such a house.
    And envy, so meanly, is just not good ...

    Mikhail, this Alexei runs around all his classmates and VKontakte and with the same post that he posted now. Yesterday in the Anti-Maidan group this vomit was posted 20 times, and in such a topic as condolences to the relatives of those killed on Airbus in Egypt, it’s just another lover of stopping by someone else's pocket and this maydanutoe creation surfaced here and many adequate forum users unfortunately led to this.
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  • assam4
    assam4 6 November 2015 21: 23 New
    +7
    Become a minister like Shoigu, deserve it, and you will have such a house.
    And envy, so meanly, is just not good ...


    His military career can be envied:
    From 1972 to 1977, Sergei Shoigu studied at the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic Institute and graduated with a degree in civil engineering.
    Military ranks:
    Stock Lieutenant (1977)
    Major General (April 26, 1993).
    Lieutenant General (May 5, 1995).
    Colonel General (December 8, 1998).
    Army General (May 7, 2003).

    Not everyone is given the chance to become an army general without serving in the army ...
    1. servant.
      servant. 6 November 2015 22: 05 New
      0
      Why are Serdyukov rotted?)))
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 7 November 2015 09: 23 New
    +5
    And envy, so meanly, is just not good ...


    Envy is not good. it is absolutely correct.

    But thieves do not need to be envious; they must be fought against, everywhere and always.
  • Merchant
    Merchant 6 November 2015 18: 12 New
    +4
    If a good minister of defense, then let me have a drum (although this article still needs to be checked)
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 18: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: Merchant
      If a good minister of defense, then let me have a drum (although this article still needs to be checked)

      Yes, of course, now the thief should not be in prison. By the way, authorities-thieves because authorities, because they can organize everything well. So let them live free, why should they even go to jail. A good thief-organizer - after a while the state oh how it is needed. Only to thieves, when someone steals - on the drum. An example is our rulers, deputies and officials.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: Алексей_К
        . An example is our rulers, deputies and officials.

        Damn your rulers.
        To whom do you propose to transfer power? I want to read the names of these beautiful people.
        Well, do not be shy, here are all your own.
        1. servant.
          servant. 6 November 2015 20: 11 New
          0
          A holy place is never empty...
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 22: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: GRAY
          Quote: Алексей_К
          . An example is our rulers, deputies and officials.

          Damn your rulers.
          To whom do you propose to transfer power? I want to read the names of these beautiful people.
          Well, do not be shy, here are all your own.

          And I never was shy on Military Review and always wrote that the power should be given to the Communists. You're not a newbie, since a marshal.
          1. atalef
            atalef 6 November 2015 22: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: Алексей_К
            And I never was shy on Military Review and always wrote that the power should be given to the Communists

            Alexei, power is what. sack with dust, what would you give it to?
            Let the commies take power. as already taken, Lenin there on an armored car and so on.
            Only Zyuganov somehow does not pull on the leader, or are there more adequate candidates?
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 6 November 2015 22: 58 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              or are there more adequate candidates?

              Не видать пока.. Может, предложите, представитель "избранного народа"? Вы же (это не к Вам лично wink ) you always know better who and how to live! wassat
              1. atalef
                atalef 6 November 2015 23: 02 New
                0
                Quote: avia1991
                Не видать пока.. Может, предложите, представитель "избранного народа"? Вы же (это не к Вам лично ) лучше знаете всегда, кому и как надо жить

                eat with your hair. laughing
                Russia is for russians. hi
              2. servant.
                servant. 6 November 2015 23: 02 New
                -1
                not stained not to see, except for GDP, without sarcasm and ...
            2. IS-80
              IS-80 6 November 2015 23: 07 New
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              Only Zyuganov somehow does not pull on the leader, or are there more adequate candidates?

              Are they recording leaders in the first place? Write a nice man to my candidacy. laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 6 November 2015 23: 18 New
                +2
                Quote: IS-80
                Quote: atalef
                Only Zyuganov somehow does not pull on the leader, or are there more adequate candidates?

                Are they recording leaders in the first place? Write a nice man to my candidacy. laughing

                real violent few. there are no leaders! wink
                Go to the Uralvagonzavod ... and you will succeed.
  • Eugene-Eugene
    Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 18: 59 New
    12
    How are you, Aleksey.N, are your Bandera affairs? Life-giving Javelins help? Are the gallant APU cold from coppers and cold weather?
  • veksha50
    veksha50 6 November 2015 19: 31 New
    +7
    Quote: Alexey.N
    I wonder who owns such a specific luxury?



    Ghm ... the guy works well, registered, threw a mine and shed ...

    Of course, often here at VO and on other sites such houses appear here with various comments ... And then there is a conversation about corruption ...

    In particular, without interrupting or cursing, I would like to ask some who are so eagerly searching for such houses here, the question: what do you want the same Shoigu or Putin to live in a two-room Khrushchev ???

    And, in addition, not only Barvikha, but also there are places where the residences are no worse, and they are, in general, state property ...

    I repeat once again: I’m not defending anyone, but I think that a person holding a high public position is not worth living in a barrack and riding a Cossack ...

    I am more outraged by the doubling of salaries to our guardian boyars and the expansion of their range of benefits ...

    This one (Shoigu) at least works, but they mostly shake the air and beat the baclars ...
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 6 November 2015 19: 58 New
      +3
      I completely agree. First of all, one should evaluate the business qualities of a person, their compliance with the post. And in general, with a high degree of probability, we are talking about our next President, so more respectful, respectful :)
      1. servant.
        servant. 6 November 2015 19: 59 New
        -1
        Personally, your opinion ...
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 November 2015 20: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: serviceman.
          Personally, your opinion ...

          Well, about your (with a capital, by the way, letter - when you personally apply) opinion we managed to read and hear enough. Know how to see more than one letter - but also what is written nearby!
          1. servant.
            servant. 6 November 2015 20: 59 New
            -3
            Write about Brudershaft! WRITE! The next president will be chosen by the people and leave your opinion to yourself!
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 6 November 2015 21: 22 New
              +4
              Quote: serviceman.
              Write about Brudershaft! WRITE! The next president will be chosen by the people and leave your opinion to yourself!

              laughing With you, my friend, I see that it makes no sense to talk: you don’t hear opinions different from your own, you don’t know how to keep yourself in your hands .. request It’s not interesting to talk like that! And therefore, be so kind - DO NOT write to me anymore! I promise to reciprocate you hi
              | PS Just a friendly goodbye advice: this
              Quote: serviceman.
              The next president will be chosen by the people
              do not speak on behalf of the people: Nobody authorized you to do this. Responsible for yourself.
              Народ уже "выбрал" одного Президента. АЖ ТРИ РАЗА.
              1. servant.
                servant. 6 November 2015 22: 07 New
                -1
                YOU don’t answer me either! So I also chose the current president 3 times and I will choose the 4th! good luck!))
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 6 November 2015 22: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        And in general, with a high degree of probability, we are talking about our next President,



        Hmm ... you made me think for a night, my friend ...
        1. Oman 47
          Oman 47 6 November 2015 23: 17 New
          +1
          Duc, far from the worst candidate! ... hi
          1. bannik
            bannik 7 November 2015 00: 24 New
            +3
            Duc, don’t compare with the worst!
    2. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 6 November 2015 21: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: veksha50
      Ghm ... the guy works well, registered, threw a mine and shed ...

      а сколько "служивых" повелись ??? belay
  • Gray-haired
    Gray-haired 6 November 2015 19: 39 New
    +5
    Well, on decent sites, they’ve already sucked it all up and how it was filed on behalf of a shit. stop
  • GRAY
    GRAY 6 November 2015 20: 24 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexey.N
    I wonder who owns such a specific luxury?

    Wife ept.
    http://starwives.ru/irina-shoygu-zhena-sergeya-shoygu.html

    У вас в башке кроме "воровать" никаких мыслей, похоже, нет.
    1. servant.
      servant. 6 November 2015 20: 34 New
      -1
      A talented manager, the wife is apparently? 0)))
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 6 November 2015 21: 29 New
        0
        Quote: serviceman.
        A talented manager, the wife is apparently? 0)))

        She is dean of the Higher School of Sports Industry faculty of the Russian Economic University (REU) named after G.V. Plekhanov.
        Co-owner of Barvikha 4
  • brr1
    brr1 6 November 2015 22: 32 New
    -1
    Envy Silently Marginal
  • Dormidont2
    Dormidont2 7 November 2015 00: 09 New
    +1
    let the time of the Felix Dzerdzhinsky and Joseph Stalin pass, the time has come for those who live once and will not live in the memory of the people
  • GRAY
    GRAY 6 November 2015 19: 20 New
    0
    Quote: jjj
    And according to clothing contentment. A set of molds for 70 thousand stands

    Do you buy it yourself?
  • Des10
    Des10 6 November 2015 17: 28 New
    19
    There is no such money in the state for indexation, and a family should be of two people, which is already not clear ...
    My friends are already complaining - in the district hospital there are no medicines, not even droppers, and the convoys are going to Donbass, and 5 tons of medications are to the ATS ... MRI needs to be paid. Due to the crisis and other sanctions, the income of employees (as well as the majority of those employed in the economy) decreased three times.
    In reality, people simply endure this situation, for there are worse.
  • tanit
    tanit 6 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +3
    Так вроде(по -себе знаю)проезд оставлен.Для заграничных территорий Российской Федерации и для районов Крайнего Севера (и приравненных к ним. Раз в год для военнослужащего и для ОДНОГО(вот это уже из категории "увы") члена семьи на выбор самого военнослужащего. Конкретно в городе Байконур - оплачивает военкомат примерно в течении 100 рабочих дней (известный мне минимум -60 рабочих дней).
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 6 November 2015 17: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: tanit
      Так вроде(по -себе знаю)проезд оставлен.Для заграничных территорий Российской Федерации и для районов Крайнего Севера (и приравненных к ним. Раз в год для военнослужащего и для ОДНОГО(вот это уже из категории "увы") члена семьи


      Yes, free travel has been saved (in the self-service format + 1) for those who are already beyond the Ural Mountains, but already absent in front of them.
    2. Des10
      Des10 6 November 2015 17: 38 New
      +2
      Quote: tanit
      Раз в год для военнослужащего и для ОДНОГО(вот это уже из категории "увы") члена семьи

      and there are --- alas, and if two, three children and a wife? Well, after all - he gave birth --- carry it yourself, and yet the servant of the sovereigns. It is not right.
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    4. mike04101970
      mike04101970 6 November 2015 17: 49 New
      +6
      If a person was born beyond the Urals, and serves in the black earth, for example, then travel for money, and if vice versa, then in the w / c format + 1. It smacks of injustice ...
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 6 November 2015 19: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: mike04101970
        It smacks of injustice.

        rather - idiocy ...
    5. Baikonur
      Baikonur 6 November 2015 17: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Tanit
      Так вроде(по -себе знаю)проезд оставлен.Для заграничных территорий Российской Федерации и для районов Крайнего Севера (и приравненных к ним. Раз в год для военнослужащего и для ОДНОГО(вот это уже из категории "увы") члена семьи на выбор самого военнослужащего. Конкретно в городе Байконур - оплачивает военкомат примерно в течении 100 рабочих дней (известный мне минимум -60 рабочих дней).
      About Baikonur and the Far North I know! I specifically named the cities of Russia, and not distant or abroad! all the more specifically he said about a family of 4, not 2 and not 1 person!
      1. Verum
        Verum 6 November 2015 18: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: Baikonur
        About Baikonur and the Far North I know! I specifically named the cities of Russia, and not distant or abroad! all the more specifically he said about a family of 4, not 2 and not 1 person!

        What moan in you to moan? In divan troops, vacations and benefits are not appropriate.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 6 November 2015 18: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: Baikonur
    After all, a family of 4 people. have a rest in Sochi (e.g.) from Krasnodar and from Novosibirsk (e.g.) - a different (significant) drainage will be required! AND?)

    And you are not enough? Passing to / from service in D. Vostok in the 80s of the last century, I could only bring my wife in due to not using my VPD in the previous year, and I paid about 65 rubles. to fly by plane Khabarovsk-Ufa (5717), because The VPD was issued only for the train. This was all at a payday of 219 p. 32 kopecks, the wife did not work for natural reasons (second pregnancy), and due to the lack of a kindergarten / jobs in the Malaya Vedenka garrison.
  • raketnik
    raketnik 6 November 2015 18: 29 New
    0
    THE MOST INTERESTING --- FROM SIBERIA TO EUROPE THERE IS NO FREEDOM TO SIBERIA FROM EUROPE fellow
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 6 November 2015 18: 39 New
      11
      THE MOST INTERESTING IS FROM SIBERIA TO EUROPE THERE IS NO FREEDOM TO SIBERIA WITH EUROPE fellow

      This is because a trip from Siberia to Europe, and a link from Europe to Siberia. Ask Ilyich ... laughing
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 20: 48 New
    +4
    Quote: Baikonur
    So I have a question:
    What is the question then?

    Is it not clear that under the bravura noodles about increasing the DD, the military personnel simply monetized the benefits.
    1. servant.
      servant. 6 November 2015 20: 52 New
      0
      and now there are no benefits, no salaries, no pensions, no benefits for retirement ...
    2. avia1991
      avia1991 6 November 2015 22: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Joe
      under bravura noodles about increasing DD, military personnel simply monetized the benefits.

      What are we arguing about? Let's count!
      Who will tell you how old the starling with five years of service is now, in a captain’s position? An example for a correct assessment: most likely, he is married, has a child, and if the garrison is out of the way - there is no work for his wife .. here and figure out how many ONE PERSON in the family of military men is obtained?
      1. servant.
        servant. 6 November 2015 22: 23 New
        +1
        And to go on vacation ... and to chip in to repair the barracks and the garrison ...
  • Pilot
    Pilot 6 November 2015 17: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: GrBear
    With housing, it’s more clear. And the salary ... As is customary in the country - 36,6

    Duck, I have to live like that .. In my time, in terms of, I have to love the Motherland eight times better.
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 6 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +5
    The arithmetic mean in this case is not an indicator. There are contract soldiers - this is one story ... and officers with the same rank, depending on the position and place of service, can differ by several times in dd. (for example, a lieutenant for apl in Kamchatka and a lieutenant in some service in a sound without submission ...)
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 6 November 2015 18: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: marlin1203
      The arithmetic mean in this case is not an indicator

      if not a secret, take a run from and to. curious to compare
  • Tor5
    Tor5 6 November 2015 19: 36 New
    0
    Да-а, уж очень все "в среднем".
  • Finches
    Finches 6 November 2015 21: 22 New
    +8
    I'm a lieutenant colonel! I live in a hostel, the length of service for more than 22 years with a penny, I get the average allowance in the hospital! Yes, they have not indexed him for three years already and judging by the erysipelas of Siluyanov, they are not going to collect them yet, they promised to give me a housing subsidy in three years ..., at 45, it will be for me, but in general it’s normal! Cancellation of travel cards has hit my pocketbook. I am in St. Petersburg, and my parents are in Kemerovo - I have one, but to come with the whole family of four is extremely problematic - this is 70-80 thousand only the road, it is almost impossible ... So I started whining ...! The army, this is not Gazprom, dreams do not come true here - people help dreams come true for others, the service is for the people and in the name of the people, no matter how pathetic it sounds! But you can live! In the 90s, for half a year, beggarly allowances were not paid at all and nothing, but now it’s a sin to complain ...!
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 6 November 2015 23: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      I'm a lieutenant colonel! I live in a hostel length of service over 22 years

      Quote: Finches
      come the whole family of fourextremely problematic
      Эк Вам "весело" живется-служится, Евгений.. what Does the wife work?
      I mean, everything is linked in a heap: both demography must be improved, and the homeland must be defended .. well, there are two children, as I understand it. We abstract from Eugene, and get a lieutenant colonel in a similar situation: 15 thousand rubles per family member, plus clothing, saves the budget all the same. Yes - you can live, by today's standards. But without any chic - only to maintain pants, and urgent necessary expenses.
      So it turns out that the officer is comfortable with current incomes - he needs to be single! PARADOX request
      1. Finches
        Finches 6 November 2015 23: 28 New
        +1
        And I am still surprised by the civilians who think that the military are snickering ... but we must pay tribute to the state - a noble PR! laughing
  • Taagad
    Taagad 6 November 2015 23: 49 New
    +2
    And how much does a beginner lieutenant get in your military forces?
    1. Finches
      Finches 7 November 2015 00: 08 New
      +1
      It depends on where the country is big! In the North and in the submarine, the lieutenant has one salary, in Moscow - another ...

      In the end, in Russia we do not quite serve for money!
  • EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 7 November 2015 04: 11 New
    -1
    .... well, straight branch of the CIA ..... in each barrel
  • prostorabochiy
    prostorabochiy 7 November 2015 04: 48 New
    0
    I would like a link from where a respected author generally sucked it.
  • maxim1987
    maxim1987 6 November 2015 16: 53 New
    +2
    Fine. Guys say they got brand new foreign cars in Mulino ... smile
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 6 November 2015 19: 41 New
      0
      None and Lanos foreign car)))
  • kote119
    kote119 6 November 2015 16: 53 New
    +2
    the photo is a little ridiculous. it feels like the military is using an ATM for the first time smile
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 6 November 2015 17: 15 New
      12
      Quote: kote119
      the photo is a little ridiculous. that feeling

      790 IAP Khotilovo.
      1. kote119
        kote119 6 November 2015 17: 24 New
        +4
        And laughter and sin
      2. Oman 47
        Oman 47 6 November 2015 23: 30 New
        0
        NORMAL (almost!) Army approach! belay
        Tushkanchikov would have pleased the sight of ATMs with eagles and wolves ...
    2. bhdir1946
      bhdir1946 6 November 2015 17: 46 New
      +4
      This photo (the picture was still exhibited under Hero Serdyukov: on the transition to a single RCC.
    3. Michael_59
      Michael_59 6 November 2015 23: 39 New
      0
      Quote: kote119
      the photo is a little ridiculous. that feeling


  • cniza
    cniza 6 November 2015 16: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: GrBear
    With housing, it’s more clear. And the salary ... As is customary in the country - 36,6 on average in a hospital, including a morgue.



    Yes, there are a lot of problems, but at least something began to change for the better, at least not as fast as we would like.
  • LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 6 November 2015 16: 55 New
    +9
    I apologize for being off topic. the censor seems to be blocked.
    Dear Subscriber,

    This resource has been blocked by decision of state authorities of the Russian Federation

    Dear customer,
    Access to the requested resource has been blocked by decision of public authorities of Russian Federation

    no longer laugh at the wretched.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 6 November 2015 16: 59 New
      +5
      Yes, let them choke there with their feces.
    2. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 6 November 2015 17: 17 New
      +2

      LEVIAFAN
      I apologize for being off topic. the censor seems to be blocked.
      Dear Subscriber,
      This resource has been blocked by decision of state authorities of the Russian Federation

      At 17h13m uploaded the TSENZER worked while he was about to burn the headquarters of the wretched wassat can. laughing
      1. mult-65
        mult-65 6 November 2015 18: 59 New
        0
        18.58 - normal flight.
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      1. Down House
        Down House 6 November 2015 17: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: fiction
        At 17h13m uploaded the CENTER work

        At 17h20m the flight is also normal smile
    4. Altona
      Altona 6 November 2015 17: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      Dear customer,
      Access to the requested resource has been blocked by decision of public authorities of Russian Federation

      no longer laugh at the wretched.

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      Comments did not look ...
    5. vitaliy.rnd
      vitaliy.rnd 6 November 2015 17: 51 New
      +1
      They themselves will come running to make us laugh.
  • prabiz
    prabiz 6 November 2015 16: 57 New
    10
    It is necessary to remove the generals and then consider the average salary! fool
    1. bhdir1946
      bhdir1946 6 November 2015 17: 52 New
      +2
      не удастся :они же схемы всего денежного довольствия составляют,а потом выносят"готовый продукт" парламентариям ,там тоже "свои".Кто постарше.может помнит разницу в званиях и должностных окладах в СА?10-20 рублей.А сейчас?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 6 November 2015 18: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: bhdir1946
        the difference in ranks and salaries in the SA? 10-20 rubles. And now?

        In 1991, 10 liters of the 76th cost 2 rubles. 50 kopecks Count for yourself.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 6 November 2015 18: 34 New
      +1
      The generality should be such that, standing in the ranks of the generals, you can see the chest of the fourth person, and not the stomach of a neighbor ... laughing
      And the number of generals should be reviewed in a qualitative way. After all, in addition to combat, combatant, staff, parquet ... etc. there are only three types of them:
      1. General
      2. Comrade General
      3. Hey, General
      laughing
  • maxim1987
    maxim1987 6 November 2015 16: 57 New
    +8
    Quote: LEVIAFAN
    I apologize for being off topic. the censor seems to be blocked.
    Dear Subscriber,

    This resource has been blocked by decision of state authorities of the Russian Federation

    Dear customer,
    Access to the requested resource has been blocked by decision of public authorities of Russian Federation

    no longer laugh at the wretched.


    Comedy Club removes competitors
  • bashkort
    bashkort 6 November 2015 17: 09 New
    +2
    Хотелось бы более развернуто, а то "средняя зарплата" по ВС - это инфа ни о чем. Сколько летёха получает, сколько майор, а сколько генерал-майор, например.
    1. Egevich
      Egevich 6 November 2015 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: bashkort
      Хотелось бы более развернуто, а то "средняя зарплата" по ВС - это инфа ни о чем. Сколько летёха получает, сколько майор, а сколько генерал-майор, например.

      it all depends on the position, and not on the rank.) I was getting a senior lieutenant in my unit at the time more than a colonel in the district headquarters .. soldier
      Google to help you - there is also an average temperature ..
      http://www.rg.ru/2012/05/28/vyplaty-dok.html
      but you can calculate - find a calculator of monetary allowance for military personnel and consider the salary + rank + length of service + secret + OUS (mountain, jumping, reconnaissance, for example) + various specific allowances -13% tax = required
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 6 November 2015 17: 10 New
    18
    Денег не хватает! Вот и нас, пенсионеров "забыли"! Даже принятый закон, о прибавке 2.5% выполнять не хотят. Зато себя "любимых" не забывают! Это и обидно. Если трудно всем, то в первую очередь трудно должно быть чиновникам и депутатам.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 6 November 2015 17: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: indifferent
      Вот и нас, пенсионеров "забыли"! Даже принятый закон, о прибавке 2.5% выполнять не хотят


      I didn’t understand ... After October 1, they raised it ... I don’t even remember how much this percentage was expressed, but - indicated ...

      Другой вопрос, когда звучит фраза: "Средняя зарплата, точнее - денежное довольствие"...

      The same as a lieutenant and a major - colonel, it can differ significantly ... And guess three times, which major has a higher salary - from the Arbat military district or from somewhere from Kamchatka ???
      Always surprised at these differences ...
      1. kote119
        kote119 6 November 2015 18: 12 New
        0
        salaries by rank are the same, the official salary is different (it may be higher for both the Kamchadal and the Arbat), the remaining role is played by allowances
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 6 November 2015 19: 37 New
          0
          Quote: kote119
          miscellaneous



          My friend, in his time, as a major, arrived in the Arbat military district (more precisely, in Vlasikha in the Moscow region), and his salary in a major position was higher than the salary of a colonel - commander of a missile regiment in the outback ...

          That's what it is about ...

          Who has more responsibility - this colonel, who has at his disposal 10 products of the Voivode-Satan, or a major who began to engage in only paper work in the main headquarters of the Strategic Missile Forces ??? ...
      2. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2015 19: 39 New
        +1
        you will be surprised, but the major from Kamchatka is still d / s more ....
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 6 November 2015 22: 47 New
          0
          Quote: your1970
          you’ll be surprised, but the major from Kamchatka has more d / s ...



          Um ... Somewhat surprised ... Another friend of mine served in Kamchatka, the only thing that is positive is a year and a half, and so, in general, we never talked about Kamchatka salaries ...
        2. warrior1979
          warrior1979 7 November 2015 08: 49 New
          +1
          In numbers, more, and if you compare prices in Moscow and Kamchatka, then less ...
    2. bhdir1946
      bhdir1946 6 November 2015 17: 56 New
      +2
      Вы не правы,денег хватает.Но как денежная масса распределяется,вот вопрос?"Газпром-достояние народа", примерно так.
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 7 November 2015 03: 52 New
        0
        Interestingly, we belong to this people?
  • LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 6 November 2015 17: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: kote119
    the photo is a little ridiculous. it feels like the military is using an ATM for the first time smile

    yeah, the woman was taken out the machine was inserted (film f kin-dza-dza)
  • cniza
    cniza 6 November 2015 17: 10 New
    +4
    Quote: prabiz
    It is necessary to remove the generals and then consider the average salary! fool




    Or let them call a minimum.
  • Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 6 November 2015 17: 13 New
    +2
    Average about 35tyrs
    1. ASK505
      ASK505 6 November 2015 17: 32 New
      -1
      Что такое "тыр"? На каком это тарабарском языке?
      1. mult-65
        mult-65 6 November 2015 19: 12 New
        +1
        In Russian, dear. A couple of years ago: 35 tyrov - $ 1000, now: 65 tyrov - the same $ 1000. Here is such gibberish.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 6 November 2015 19: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: ASK505
        Что такое "тыр"? На каком это тарабарском языке?

        Normal language)))
        Тыр - это тоже самое, что кусок, косая или штука, но всё зависит от субьекта федерации, как и говор с акцентом........Главное, что "великий и могучий" позволяет донести смысл сказанного)))
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 6 November 2015 20: 16 New
          0
          In SGV, the ensign was called a piece ...
  • vtorov.andrej
    vtorov.andrej 6 November 2015 17: 14 New
    +1
    And in the hydrometer - people plow the service for 8-9 thousand
    1. Des10
      Des10 6 November 2015 17: 32 New
      +1
      they work there (at best) laughing ), and vl. --- SERVICE to the state.
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    3. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2015 19: 40 New
      0
      and sad internet and th ????
  • Million
    Million 6 November 2015 17: 18 New
    +6
    The average salary as the average temperature in a hospital is about nothing
  • shliapnik
    shliapnik 6 November 2015 17: 19 New
    -1
    But did, as the heart raised, were indexation?
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 6 November 2015 17: 56 New
      +4
      Serdyuk did not raise anything. This is a Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation.
      Индексации не наблюдались, но вот статьи, вроде "за обьем и значимость" и "образцовое выполнение дрлжностных обязанностей" в процентном соотношении - являются весьма сильным мотиватором, в т.ч. и характер де-мотивации имеют.
      А статистический метод под названием "в среднем", в наше время (вот в Союзе был он более точным и актуальным), уж очень, скорее, неточность отражает и скорее скрывает данные, чем предоставляет пищу для фантазии.
      Метод по категориям военнослущащих (те, кто имеет статус в/сл., и это далеко не вся и только армия), по родам войск, с выслугой и без, иные доплаты (как к приставке спец-, 15% или за особые условия, как дежурным по ЯО), по регионам (где есть "северные" и "отдаленка") и т.п. Вот тогда это будет чем Правительству похвастать перед народонаселением. И статусно и интересно.
      А так опять одно "словоблудие рукойводителей".
      И, правда что, категорию "генералитет" в статистике отдельно считать нужно, не стоит держать людей за слабоумных (очень это раздражает).
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 6 November 2015 17: 19 New
    +6
    Средняя температура по больнице. Как эти выверты уже надоели всем. Зарплата лейтенанта, прапорщика, различные добавки в Арбатском ВО и других. Если и писать то должны быть данные для анализа, а так не о чём, якобы забота. Лучше уж данные о зарплатах "слуг народа" и проч. Кстати Минфин не повысил в своих предложениях на 2016 год некому и нечего за исключением депутатов и аппаратчиков.
  • moskowit
    moskowit 6 November 2015 17: 20 New
    +1
    Skoko-skoko ???
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 6 November 2015 17: 25 New
    +2
    Everything is known in comparison, would bring the average salary of teachers, industrial engineers, etc. What are their benefits compared with the military, how do they pay family leave to an engineer, for example
    1. samara-58
      samara-58 6 November 2015 17: 37 New
      +4
      And where do the teachers, engineers, etc.? A military man has always been privileged in relation to other professions and this is CORRECT !!!
      1. barbiturate
        barbiturate 7 November 2015 07: 21 New
        -1
        Why is it right? What would civilians hate them?
    2. bhdir1946
      bhdir1946 6 November 2015 18: 02 New
      +3
      Teachers or engineers will not be sent to the series by order. They will not be 25 hours (exactly 25) a day in the service, and so on. He’ll understand.
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 6 November 2015 22: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: bhdir1946
        Smart will understand.

        Since such a booze has gone ..
        Без хорошего учителя не вырастет грамотный офицер - защитник Родины. А то, что вырастет - оно Родину и продаст, при случае. Так что нельзя так отмахиваться от проблем с учительской зарплатой: нам власть сказки рассказывает, о "средней в образовании" в 36 тыс. - а учитель за эти 36 должен работать как раз
        Quote: bhdir1946
        25 hours (exactly 25) per day
        and six days a week! At a five-day week, according to the Labor Code, and 18 hours of standard load for lessons. But only in this situation the teacher receives 14-16 thousand !!! Well, and what kind of normal specialist will be eager to work at school? request
        Quote: yuriy55
        eating on time and laying down in a warm bed to a soft female boobs ...
        In fact, the majority of teachers are women.
      2. barbiturate
        barbiturate 7 November 2015 07: 26 New
        +1
        During my service in the tank regiment, I did not see the suffering officers, they thumped a lot, they also received more than a civilian, the working day is not standardized, it’s also true, but this is a normal job in fact, when there is peacetime. But the war will begin and they will not put an officer at the machine tool, but they will take the engineer and teachers and workers to the army and they will defend the Motherland together, as always has been and will be like, the officer will fight, but I will live there - this has never happened in Russian history (anyway)
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 6 November 2015 18: 28 New
      +3
      What are their benefits compared to the military


      They have the privilege of not being killed on the battlefield during a military conflict. They have the privilege of living where they like and work, observing the rules of TB to a very old age, eating on time and going to bed in a warm bed with a soft female boobs ...
      soldier
      1. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2015 19: 42 New
        +1
        here let some military man not abide by the rules of TB-yeah, yeah
      2. your1970
        your1970 6 November 2015 19: 53 New
        +2
        "У них льгота не быть убитым на поле боя во время военного конфликта."-
        a very controversial privilege, judging by the conflicts of the last 50 years of civilian deaths dozens and hundreds of times more (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Chechnya, Iraq, etc.)
      3. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 6 November 2015 23: 47 New
        +1
        it’s dimly written, tell the fireman about it, how he signed in all the magazines, put on everything that was received, received all the necessary instructions, checked all the equipment, went into the room, and he had a propane in his face with a wire for 380 left or a hole not fenced, so a trifle compared to the service in the warehouses or all the military are equally at risk and without exception on the battlefield?
      4. barbiturate
        barbiturate 7 November 2015 07: 32 New
        +1
        What are you saying)) During the military conflicts, essentially civilians, yesterday’s schoolchildren and a bunch of drafted soldiers are fighting, this is a fact in any war, not to mention how many women and children die in wars. Live where you like? Do civilians? Who told you this? laughing Himself not funny? Or the military, we don’t go to the soft female boobs, and the poor fellows spend the night in the barracks with soldiers, why do they only need apartments laughing
  • Federal
    Federal 6 November 2015 17: 28 New
    +2
    Guys like you are very and about nothing, forgive me of course, apparently in the bulk of the forum there are a lot of civilians? The salaries of officers are very small, I will explain why.
    1. Payment for an apartment, if not removable 4 - 5 thousand rubles.
    2. A rented apartment ranges from 10 - 25 thousand rubles, depending on the region.
    3. Food on average per 2 person per month at market prices of 20 - 25 thousand rubles, without chic.
    4. Essential means for a young wife per month on average 10 - 15 thousand rubles, I will not decipher, the officers and men know where. This is in addition to shoes, outerwear and underwear.
    And we are talking about some 60 thousand, for those who are ready to give their lives at any time.
    Baikonur correctly noticed about the passage and rations that were removed.
    1. samara-58
      samara-58 6 November 2015 17: 35 New
      +7
      So all PEOPLE live !!! A junior and middle office. the composition receives from 60 and above thousand rubles a month! Example: Samara Gornizon.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 6 November 2015 19: 23 New
        +8
        Уважаемые, а вы готовы в гарнизоны податься? А в Сирию быстро подорваться на годик? А в море на несколько месяцев? А может на острова в Арктике по команде? И при этом жена у лейтенанта беременная или ребенок маленький (и не один). А если что, 118 человек с "Курска" тоже имели семьи, детей, родителей... А экипаж "Комсомольца"... А те, кто погиб и пропал без вести в Афгане, Чечне... Чтобы все ЛЮДИ жили. И могли выбрать, как им жить.
        Вспоминаю, как в знаменитой сотой общаге в Гаджиево дружно жили в одной комнате 5 человек: две лейтенантских семьи (им досталось по панцирной койке), и лейтенант холостой, который спал на столе, ногами на подоконник. А мой сослуживец увидел дочку, когда ей исполнилось 8 месяцев... А когда приходишь с боевой службы, а через 10 суток "пересаживаешься" на другой "пароход" и снова на 3 месяца, т.к. там человека нет. И тебя не спрашивают, хочешь или нет. Это не должно вознаграждаться? За это и пенсии платят. И льготы за это должны быть.
        1. servant.
          servant. 6 November 2015 19: 24 New
          +1
          This should not be in peacetime ...
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 6 November 2015 17: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Federal
      Baikonur correctly noticed about the passage and rations that were removed.



      Я за эти пайковые ну оооочень "полюбил" Валентину Матвиенко... Ее работа...
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 6 November 2015 23: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: veksha50
        Я за эти пайковые ну оооочень "полюбил" Валентину Матвиенко... Ее работа..

        belay That's how she is ... plump wassat
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 6 November 2015 18: 09 New
      +8
      Under I.V. Stalin, for example, the salary of a miner was not lower, and sometimes higher, than the highest official at the regional level.
      Это про отношение к народу-победителю. А не как сейчас: к победившему бюрократическому классу и чиновничье-коммерческому аппарату управления. Да, и еще добавлю, для интереса: если кто хочет свои нервы поберечь, то не стоит интересоваться зарплатой органами управления карательного аппарата государства и судейской "братией".
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 19: 02 New
        +4
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        Under I.V. Stalin, for example, the salary of a miner was not lower, and sometimes higher, than the highest official at the regional level.

        В 1972 г. в нашей дивизии призвали двухгодичников офицеров при зарплате 200 рублей (за всё). Комбат выстроил их и говорит. Родина призвала вас на службу и платит вам огромные деньги (для рядового инженера, это правда). Но откуда майор с училищным образованием и постоянным пребыванием на службе мог знать, что шахтёры зарабатывают ещё в два раза больше, чем он. Они выслушали и когда он сказал: "Вопросы есть?". Он наивный думал, что они теперь на задних лапках бегать перед ним будут. Один сразу сказал, что он потерял в зарплате в 3 раза, и что Вам майор такая зарплата и не снилась и никогда её у Вас не будет. Так что не укоряйте нас деньгами. Мы Родине служим не из-за денег, это наш долг.
        By the way, I had one familiar nuclear physicist, so he had 800-900 rubles in his salary receipt. And the major (battalion commander) received at that time approximately 300 rubles.
        1. user
          user 6 November 2015 19: 36 New
          +2
          And the major (battalion commander) received about 300 rubles at that time.


          5 years ago there was a group of comrades in the missile division, they were called 300 in accounting, it’s their salary, for 000 years I think it has only increased.
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 7 November 2015 05: 54 New
            0
            5 years ago there was a group of comrades in the missile division, they were called 300 in accounting

            They tried fuel on the tongue before refueling ... laughing

            for 5 years, I think it has only increased.

            But they did not live to see it ... laughing

            There are no accounting departments in military units, there are financial departments and units ... soldier
            1. user
              user 8 November 2015 21: 47 New
              0
              There are no accounting departments in military units, there are financial departments and units ...


              Oddly enough, in the financial departments and units, they accrue DD accountant.
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 7 November 2015 05: 48 New
          +1
          Two-year officers called up in our division

          Чего же Вы не досказываете, что в армии их называли "двухгадючниками", потому что вреда от них было больше (зачастую), чем пользы.

          You have never dreamed such a salary and you will never have it

          Может быть, у майора такой зарплаты и не было. Только за "боевые" платили, потому и служить и воевать два разных понятия.

          By the way, I had one familiar nuclear physicist, so he had 800-900 rubles in his salary receipt.

          There were no salary receipts in 1972. There were Vedomosti payroll (or with other similar names), where in alphabetical order stood all the employees of the enterprise, from the director to the watchman. And there was no one envy of the accrued amounts, and indignation about. And in the face, the drifter, on whom the roof could collapse at any moment, earned from 420 to 600 rubles. And the driver of the bus (trolleybus) earned 250-320 rubles and the lieutenant of the USSR Armed Forces received 220 without tax for childlessness. And the BELAZ truck driver beyond the Arctic Circle could earn (with all poles) up to 2000 rubles a month ...
    4. dr.star75
      dr.star75 6 November 2015 18: 22 New
      +2
      According to your logic: 1. civilians do not pay for the apartment (probably the state pays)
      2. civilians do not rent an apartment (or does the state give?)
    5. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2015 19: 50 New
      +2
      ""1. Оплата за квартиру, если не съемная 4 - 5 тыс.руб.
      2. A rented apartment ranges from 10 - 25 thousand rubles, depending on the region.
      3. Food on average per 2 person per month at market prices of 20 - 25 thousand rubles, without chic.
      4. Essential means for a young wife per month on average 10 - 15 thousand rubles, I will not decipher, the officers and men know where. This is in addition to shoes, outerwear and underwear.
      А мы о каких то 60 ти тысячах разговор ведем, для тех кто свою жизнь готов в любой момент отдать. """


      Now count the salaries of civil servants, doctors, teachers, engineers, about agriculture and civilian pensioners, I don’t even want to remember, etc.
      without a box-12-16 thousand land for everything about everything (communal apartment, menstruation, hut, children, study, clothes
      to go to work, food in the end ...) and fuck off ...

      It seems like they are being protected by the military ....
      1. servant.
        servant. 6 November 2015 19: 55 New
        +1
        So then ... and military pence with a lower coefficient? Misters gentlemen do not minus so!
  • tyras85
    tyras85 6 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +6
    Еще раз,пожелаю такого размера денежного "удовольствия",чиновникам,депутатам всех уровней,"пахарям"
    Администрации Президента РФ и членам нашего родного Правительства!Будьте счастливы!(как заявил Президент:"...а народ счастливым".(хочет видеть)прим.
  • plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 6 November 2015 17: 29 New
    +2
    Salary in the Army ...? The plug is as in a civilian .. here and the whole answer ... You wish justice ... try to take a chance ... just business
    1. tanit
      tanit 6 November 2015 17: 33 New
      0
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      The plug as in the civilian .. here and the whole answer ..

      Ну да, ну да...А какая вилка -поподробней, расскажите, а? Или Вы про пресловутый "400"-й? Так там - не вилка, там чугунный котелок. Но - где нет действия этого приказа(есть такие места) -там и "воплей видоплясова" нет тоже.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 19: 06 New
      0
      Quote: plotnikov561956
      Salary in the Army ...? The plug is as in a civilian .. here and the whole answer ... You wish justice ... try to take a chance ... just business

      Yes, armed thieves and robbers constantly take risks and live with big money and are quite happy, because They don’t want to work. Give us a weapon and we will take a chance ... just business and to expropriate thieves-oligarchs.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 November 2015 17: 36 New
    15
    А теперь считаем "правильно". В 2012 году доллар имел курс около 27 рублей. Теперь курс одного доллара около 63 рублей. Таким образом в 2012 году средняя зарплата была 57,8:27=2140 долларов. Теперь, при курсе 63 рубля мы имеем 62,1:63=970 долларов. То есть "реальная" зарплата сократилась более, чем в 2 раза! Вы скажете, типа это же в долларах, мы типа живем в Россиии, а не в США, однако покупательная способность рубля упала именно в два раза, это можно проследить по ценам на продукты и товары, которые с 2012 по 2015 год подскочили на эти же 2 раза. Так, что тут не радоваться, тут "плакать" надо...
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 6 November 2015 17: 45 New
      -8
      Calm down, soon your buck will not be at all.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 19: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: Good AAAH
        Calm down, soon your buck will not be at all.

        Ну, Вы и экономист! Если "бакса" совсем исчезнет, то стоимость "баксы" вообще станет запредельной внутри России. Олигархи же как-то захотят компенсировать потери в "баксе". Вот и начнут из нас рубли выкачивать. Пример - стоимость нефти упала, а стоимость "баксы" в России выросла, и нас обобрали воры-олигархи. Мы им все потери уже возместили, но они продолжают качать бесплатные рубли.
        1. servant.
          servant. 6 November 2015 19: 19 New
          +2
          Moreover, gas is pumped in all areas (it grows with cheaper oil), housing and communal services with cheaper energy, products during the crisis of overproduction in the world ... etc. etc.
          but the average temperature is normal ((
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    3. Des10
      Des10 6 November 2015 17: 54 New
      +3
      Special thanks to you. bureaucrats and the generals of these proportions cannot see because of the glutton. smile
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    5. veksha50
      veksha50 6 November 2015 17: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      А теперь считаем "правильно"



      At least one really reacted ...

      PS And the prices for rental housing are rising by leaps and bounds ...
    6. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 6 November 2015 18: 38 New
      -3
      Stop looking at dollars like the light in a window! We live in Russia and receive and spend our funds in rubles. This is where we have to dance. And then you blocked the dollar eyes then!
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 6 November 2015 19: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: Saratoga833
        And then you blocked the dollar eyes then!



        The dollar did not block our eyes, but to the rich and bureaucrats ...

        And Monster through this fucking dollar really showed inflation for us now, and not the one that Siluanov draws ...

        P.S. По мне, так я хоть сейчас проголосую за то, чтобы Россия опять ушла за "железный занавес", как при Сталине, и не привязывалась к курсу доллара, так даже на ВО многие меня за это не поймут...
      2. mult-65
        mult-65 6 November 2015 19: 47 New
        +2
        In TV, stare less, it painfully obscures the eyes. And if without $, then it’s like this: the purchasing power of the Russian ruble in Russia (not in the US, nobody needs it there at all) has fallen by half (-50%). Dance to your health!
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 6 November 2015 23: 25 New
          0
          Quote: mult-65
          the purchasing power of the Russian ruble in Russia (not in the United States; nobody needs it there at all) fell sharply by half (-50%).
          Для начинающих экономистов: оборвите связь "рубль-нефтедоллар", и оцените рубль, исходя из реальных богатств страны: лесов, недр, еще живых предприятий!.. Вы удивитесь - но рубль стоит, реально, больше доллара (при применении "золотого стандарта" к подсчетам национальных богатств).
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 6 November 2015 17: 37 New
    +2
    Свеженький материал - "Для тех кто хочет стать офицером". Можно посчитать и сравнить теорию с практикой применения.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 6 November 2015 18: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Свеженький материал - "Для тех кто хочет стать офицером". Можно посчитать и compare theory with practice.


      Ghm ... took, counted ... and wept ...

      Judging by this plate, my pension, in theory, should be 33-35000 rubles ... Nekhilo ...
      Wife showed the calculations, her eyes got out on her forehead ...

      Only realities are very significantly different from theory ...

      Therefore, young boys are better off not knowing this ...
      1. mult-65
        mult-65 6 November 2015 20: 13 New
        +1
        My real pension completely coincides with the calculated one. You and your wife should take a closer look at it. But this tablet is about something else.
        1. servant.
          servant. 6 November 2015 20: 17 New
          +1
          Well, probably your pension matches the calculator on the MO site? I am happy for you, but read the manual documents will be unpleasantly surprised ((
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 6 November 2015 17: 38 New
    0
    The second part.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 6 November 2015 18: 19 New
      0
      Dear Bort Radist!
      Let's get to the end. - 13%, which the security forces and the soldier did not have before 2002.
      Yes, financial payments are much easier to regulate than in-kind benefits and social obligations. And what an instrument of influence on l / s!
      Although this is still better than it was before, it is a pity that capitalist relations begin to prevail over spiritual and moral values. Especially between a citizen and the state. Although we are convinced that this is the homeland, duty, honor and other highest values.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 6 November 2015 18: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        Let's get to the end. - 13%, which the security forces and the soldier did not have before 2002.

        I just presented the material for review, without second thoughts.
  • DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 6 November 2015 17: 44 New
    0
    People, stop whining about money, soon you may all remember how happy times are. Get ready for a serious conflict, look forward to a crust of bread. The time is at hand. The flights to Egypt stop, it seems like a bomb ...
  • andrei. 2012
    andrei. 2012 6 November 2015 17: 50 New
    +5
    What kind of increase in salary can be said if we have never indexed it since it was increased, although they promised to do it according to inflation every year. The first time about indexation (at least the issue was considered) they started talking this year, but in connection with the crisis the issue has died out.
    An increase in monetary allowance in this case is possible only in the column for special conditions of service, or a life risk that just does not pay (military campaigns, jumping, clearance) If this is so, then the RF Ministry of Defense is not proud of anything.
    Либо как говорилось ранее "средние 36,6 по больнице" за счет увеличения зарплаты на "верху". Тоже гордится не чем.
    1. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 7 November 2015 05: 21 New
      +1
      We have never been indexed by the police since 2011, after the reorganization, I’ve been serving for 20 years, lieutenant, plus our northern 50 percent, my salary is 64 thousand, but from December I’ll feel even less thanks to the new reform, but it’s time to retire bring down
  • Simak
    Simak 6 November 2015 17: 55 New
    +1
    As they raised it in the 13th year, there was no indexation at all. They issued one VKPO, that's all, there is nothing else. Neither linen nor vests.
  • fedor13
    fedor13 6 November 2015 17: 58 New
    -1
    Yes, there is little money, but at the same time I can go to the cinema with my children, and also once a month a family picnic. And I think it is necessary to find joy not in the Maldives, but to enjoy what you have. Of course, it is necessary to try, to achieve, but we see that with the economy. I think rich is not the one who gets a lot, but the one who wisely spends.
  • gv2000
    gv2000 6 November 2015 17: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: GrBear
    With housing, it’s more clear.


    And here there are just some misunderstandings: the reduction in the queue is often due to the restriction of the right to receive housing for the long-term retired military personnel. I have been waiting for 9 years. Prospects are not visible. Rather, one looms: an exception to the queue. Built a cottage after the service. I was forced to sell, because the officer must be a pauper in order to receive state-guaranteed housing.
  • nic086
    nic086 6 November 2015 18: 12 New
    +1
    My colleague is now under a contract at the 201st base, he received 75000 in October. Moreover, despite the fact that this money is not spent anywhere. I think this is not very bad.
    1. Des10
      Des10 6 November 2015 18: 23 New
      0
      Abroad, a position two, a term of service --- and you are right - there is no where to spend.
      I have 19 years old groups, Ural - 50.
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  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 6 November 2015 18: 18 New
    +7
    It’s not clear to me why such an article is so short reviews?

    The average salary of a serviceman ... blah blah blah ... And what, in fact, a soldier who signed to put his belly for (Faith, Tsar and) Fatherland, should be less secure than a deputy of the State Duma who signed to grow a belly and feed his face on the same public (even if not military) service?
    What are the guarantees in providing a soldier with medical care after service?
    What fun prospects await the families of these troops?
    Who are these cheerful guys who determine the size of the monetary allowance of our military people? Generals and colonels not holding military weapons in their hands? who did not take part in any exercise and received the title for diligently wiped portki in an armchair (chair, sofa)?
    Служба, как ни странно, бывает и в пресс-центре в воинском звании подполковника и в кабине самолёта, за рычагами танка, на огневых позициях и в других местах и горячих точках в звании от рядового до капитана...Мне очень приятно, что армия стала заниматься своим прямым делом - учиться военной науке побеждать и побеждать! Только не надо при этом "довольствовать" наших военных патриотизмом и лозунгами. А, уж, не предоставление жилья для военных и их семей... - просто государственное преступление.
    Pension provision should also be changed in the direction of increasing amounts in monetary terms, because it is one thing to sit at a table in front of the monitor and play solitaire, risking to burn your thighs, knocking over a coffee mug, and it is quite another thing to get shell shock under bombardment or during shelling. ..
    And, as always, there are many questions and there are answers, only these are not answers to topical questions, but rather discussions on topics about breeding Labradors and plans for a vacation.
    Что касается проезда в/сл в отпуск (к месту службы, командировку)...Основы мобилизационной готовности во времена СССР предполагали обеспечение таковых по исключительным правилам. Трудно даже представить ситуацию, когда специалист с АПЛ Северного Флота, отдыхавший в Крыму или у родителей в Средней полосе России, не смог прибыть к месту службы вовремя из-за отсутствия билетов или по причине их дороговизны. Сейчас ведь полёт частного самолёта с "газпромовской задницей" важнее отправки спецрейса... what
    1. your1970
      your1970 6 November 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      один вопрос-сколько погибло в вооруженных силах РФ старшего офицерского состава за последние 25 лет?У нас война последние 25 лет идет?С кем воюем,если не секрет?У нас для всей армии норма - "получить контузию под бомбёжкой или во время артобстрела..." или это все-таки относительно небольшой по численности контингент в Чечне(в первую)или в Дагестане(во вторую)????
      Three quarters of the army over the past 25 years - did not fight, did not take part in the fighting, in the 90-did not take part in the military campaigns ....

      З.Ы. я не против армии-я против жалоб "Я в сибири служил",у нас там пол-страны живет и не требует себе за счет этого льгот за климат и удаленность

      ZY border guards - a year and a half and 50% for waterlessness, but I have been living my whole life and for some reason I don’t feel waterless request request request
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 7 November 2015 06: 19 New
        +2
        З.Ы. я не против армии-я против жалоб "Я в сибири служил",у нас там пол-страны живет и не требует себе за счет этого льгот за климат и удаленность...


        Maybe I’ll answer for Siberia. Once, in the distant Soviet times, a Moscow official decided to visit a city in Siberia. And this visit fell on hot summer time. And in a sweaty head, in a brain molten by the sun, the thought (they say) ripened to remove the Siberian coefficient (an additive for climate and remoteness ... fool
        До сих пор не понял, почему в частях, где я служил, терпеть не могли москвичей...почему все едут в Москву, и на каких хлебах она "пухнет"?

        ZY border guards - a year and a half and 50% for waterlessness, but I have been living my whole life and for some reason I don’t feel waterless


        Пограничники охраняют рубежи Отечества днём и ночью, в стужу и зной...А, если просто жить, лежать на печи, подпирая ногами "чувал"... laughing

        Always remember classics:
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 November 2015 19: 25 New
          0
          погранцы живут в городе численностью 15 тысяч человек,граница со всех сторон,езды до нее 20 км,охраняют в стужу и зной-не спорю,только вот "безводность" удивляет слегка...
          Понимаю когда во времена СССР они на границе с Афганом безводные получали-кругом Каракумы были,нет вопросов,а когда 2 больших реки прямо по линии границы идут-одновременно с "безводностью"???
  • Rigla
    Rigla 6 November 2015 18: 26 New
    +4
    IMHO, it is not necessary to give apartments and benefits, but a normal salary, so that the military can be sure that in any case he can provide himself with good housing and the other that he needs. And then it starts that there is no money to index, coal in the north for its own and others
    rave. In general, if the current trend in the RFP issues persists, then good, we must continue to relate to the military.
  • polite people
    polite people 6 November 2015 18: 47 New
    0
    Such as Shoigu can and should be. Deserved it. soldier
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 7 November 2015 00: 08 New
      +2
      write it down on yourself and read it in 3-4 years :)
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 November 2015 06: 36 New
      0
      Such as Shoigu can and should be. Deserved it. soldier

      The main thing to remember:
      "Служи верно, кому присягнешь; слушайся начальни­ков; за их лаской не гоняйся; на службу не напрашивайся; от службы не отговаривайся; и помни пословицу: береги платье снову, а честь смолоду".(from)

      Лично я не "за" или "против" Шойгу или какого другого славного государственного мужа.

      Only sometimes I want to know for what, in fact, the state gives the noble deeds and merits on behalf of The people !!! знаки Почёта и Уважения деятелям, чьи имена этому народу не ведомы, а дела (да, что там, - дела, ДЕЛИШКИ!!!)таковы, что за пожизненное заключение этих "деятелей" проголосует 90% граждан РФ.

      So it turns out that more often (and larger) awards are given for services to a state that is expanding (squinting), growing (in quantitative terms) and thriving to the joy of itself and to the deep bewilderment of other (non-state) citizens ... what
  • servant.
    servant. 6 November 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    But it is interesting due to what the digital figure has grown? There was no indexation, additional payments are cut constantly. Or have the premium staff so grown that the average temperature in the hospital so jumped?
  • Vishnevsky
    Vishnevsky 6 November 2015 18: 59 New
    +3
    I don’t know how in the Ministry of Defense, but in other departments in January 2015 they cut DD. At the beginning of next year is also expected. Given the rise in prices and the devaluation of the ruble, it turns out that they gave it with one hand and took it with the other.
    1. servant.
      servant. 6 November 2015 19: 01 New
      0
      completely to the point
  • field commander
    field commander 6 November 2015 19: 04 New
    +3
    Никто не умилял достоинства Шойгу. Но заработать честно такие деньги на государственном посту нельзя, и в "бизнесе по русски" тоже. Борьба с коррупцией должна вестись на всех уровнях тогда и не будет Сердюковых-Васильевых.
  • gameover_65
    gameover_65 6 November 2015 19: 09 New
    +1
    PPC, which means average hz
    here we have an average of 60 thousand on Sakhalin. who saw her?
    only those who help the West plunder our resources are those who see it.
    and even that is not all. and about salaries in cities and not worth talking about.
    average 20-25 thousand. and who saw the prices of Sakhalin?
    I’m paying more than two thousand for 500 kilowatts
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 6 November 2015 19: 21 New
    +1
    In the Army zar. civilian personnel receive payment, while military personnel receive cash allowance. An amateurish article, if it had been written DD for typical posts, everything would have been clear. And then the floor finger ceiling. So a bunch in a puddle.
    1. Vishnevsky
      Vishnevsky 6 November 2015 19: 57 New
      0
      What is the difference, what to call cash payments for the service? Although the salary, even DD ... the essence does not change.
  • datolith
    datolith 6 November 2015 19: 27 New
    +2
    In the late 90s, there was a good platoon commander of 750000 r ticket Khabarovsk-Samara 950000 train (compartment) For some reason, there were 450000 solders. They didn’t pay. and earn more, now they don’t keep in the 90s.
    1. servant.
      servant. 6 November 2015 19: 31 New
      0
      but it’s bad that they don’t hold ....
    2. Stas1
      Stas1 6 November 2015 21: 14 New
      +6
      " ...И всегда можно пойти на гражданку и заработать побольше,сейчас не держат как в 90х...". В 90-х можно было, а сейчас (конкретно в кризис) нет, если нет очень хороших связей и подготовленного места (ну или Вы обладаете уникальным набором проф. качеств). Если Вы думаете, что на "гражданке" есть много вакантных мест с невостребованными заработками хотя бы от 25 тыс. рублей (исключая всякие вахты в той же Сибире), то Вы не знаете о "гражданке" ровно ни чего. У предпринимателей любого уровня сокращение доходов от 10-ков процентов до в разы. Покупательная (инвестиционная) активность населения просто рухнула. Просрочка по кредитам выросла в 2-3 раза по всем крупным банкам (почитайте аналитику). Бюджет страны абсолютно дефицитный, в правительстве идёт жесточайшая грызня по поводу необходимости ухода от социально-направленного бюджета, и сокращения социальных выплат. Когда я уволился в конце 90-х (не пописал контракт), имея 10 лет офицерской выслуги, мой племянник, студент, на подработках зарабатывал больше, чем я в звании капитан с 25% надбавками. Было стыдно в отпуск приезжать, (но зато бесплатно поезд, ..круто). В 1994-1997 служили фактически за спасибо, за "покушать" на праздник (день выдачи очередной трёх месячной задолженности или прошлогодних пайковых). А сейчас? К депутатам некоторые себя пристраивают. Вы в какой стране живёте? Радуйтесь, что не отбирают назначенного ранее. Или наши военнослужащие по каким то критериям лучше граждан страны, защитниками которой себя позиционируют? Скажите, а если война? Если война, воевать будет вся страна, мобилизуют всех, нет уже избытка людских ресурсов, как в СССР. В двух войнах на Кавказе в 90-х 95% военнослужащих воевали за совесть и за честь, в том числе и срочники. Знакомый получил 20 тыс. страховку за 10 ранений (группа попала под миномётный обстрел). Посчитали в комиссии, раз ранения получены в одном бою, страховой случай один. Живи и радуйся с протезами. Короче, сколько человеку не дай, всё мало. Читайте чаще сказку о рыбаке и рыбке. Никого обидеть не хотел.
  • v0802r
    v0802r 6 November 2015 19: 35 New
    +2
    In Soviet times, the attitude to the army was human. Yes, and to civilians.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 November 2015 06: 44 New
      0
      And if they stopped for a halt (or set up a summer camp) near the village, the old women (and not only) treated (brought) milk and other drinks and vegetables, saying:
      "Кушайте на здоровье, чтобы служилось легко" good
  • Gloomstar
    Gloomstar 6 November 2015 21: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Алексей_К
    Yes, of course, now the thief should not be in prison. By the way, authorities-thieves because authorities, because they can organize everything well. So let them live free, why should they even go to jail. A good thief-organizer - after a while the state oh how it is needed. Only to thieves, when someone steals - on the drum. An example is our rulers, deputies and officials.

    Do you have evidence that he stole it, as well as evidence that it is generally him?
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 6 November 2015 21: 17 New
    -3
    One whining from these warriors, how many do not raise and all is small.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 November 2015 06: 50 New
      0
      Вояки не ноют, они "стойко переносят тяготы и лишения военной службы", а, как люди чести, ненавидят лесть, коленопреклонение, лизоблюдство и прочие качества, культивируемые в современном обществе. soldier

      А, Вы собственно, чьих кровей? Кого хотели обидеть? Может быть, вы ещё тот "казачок засланный"?
  • sichevik
    sichevik 6 November 2015 21: 21 New
    +2
    A lot of comrades criticize the house of the Minister of Defense ... But I wonder if these comrades are appointed ministers, will they continue to live in their two-, three-, four-room apartments or will they wish their property in Barvikha? It is asked to me that all the same, all the comrades wish to live in Barvikha. And make every effort to live there. And so that the children also live there will make an effort. And for grandchildren,
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 November 2015 06: 57 New
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      Personally for you:
      Не волнуйтесь, их (тех, кто не возжелает) не назначат. А (Задается мне, что все ж таки все товарищи возжелают жить в Барвихе.) сдаётся вам это потому, что в Вашей жизни чаще встречались люди, живущие по-принципу: "Ты - мне, я - тебе", - радеющие о своей мошне, а не о мощности и процветании Отечества.
      I got lucky. In my pals and friends there are none.
      Yes, we have never been to Barvikha either ... smile
  • servant.
    servant. 6 November 2015 22: 57 New
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    Quote: atalef
    or are there more adequate candidates?

    In addition to GDP (I trust without conditions) who?
    1. atalef
      atalef 6 November 2015 23: 08 New
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      Quote: serviceman.
      Quote: atalef
      or are there more adequate candidates?

      In addition to GDP (I trust without conditions) who?

      You know this better if you asked me in Israel if there are any better ones (in my opinion) than Netanyahu - I would say that there are.
      1. IS-80
        IS-80 6 November 2015 23: 22 New
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        Quote: atalef
        You know this better if you asked me in Israel if there are any better ones (in my opinion) than Netanyahu - I would say that there are.

        Something some kind of zrada, urgently everything on כיכר ציבורית in front of the Knesset! Netanyahu tyrant go away! Long live freedom and democracy!
      2. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 7 November 2015 00: 06 New
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        and with us, they will show whom they will (well, they will show it is not nma - but to the election commissions :))
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 6 November 2015 23: 21 New
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    I will say specifically about my DD. January 2012 - 83 thousand rubles, June 2012 - 62 thousand rubles, from November 2012 to the present 75 thousand rubles, all this time in one position. During this time, several allowances were removed in a purely paper way, in particular for carrying out combat duty. If we compare 2015 with 2012, then my DD, taking into account inflation and the government’s decree on annual indexation of inflation, has decreased by about 40 percent. I would also like to say a few words about the UPD. I don’t know what kind of mud (rets) I came up with, that a soldier with the Far East will be able to take his family somewhere to the south for his DD. AAP is assigned to a soldier and 1 family member, but what about me, a large child? Take out one child a year? It’s complete nonsense, the cost of one ticket to Anapa for one child will cost me about 35-40 thousand, and I have three of them, who has even more. Why is it impossible to make the UPD funded so that at least once every 2-3 years children can be taken to the mainland!
  • LEX SU
    LEX SU 7 November 2015 03: 09 New
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    Reading is disgusting. Both text and comments.

    1. Where does the house data come from? How many of you were there? And many more questions of a similar plan ...

    2. Despite the fact that Shoigu:
    HUMAN INCLUDED IN THE 5th MOST INFLUENTIAL IN RUSSIA

    What should surprise you here ???

  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 7 November 2015 06: 11 New
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    How much can you succumb to the provocations of the liberals and the fifth column? They are sitting now, reading our comments and rubbing their pens: all the same, little by little they managed to shake the society, and it’s not far from the orange. There is so much dirt on the Internet - Putin has a new wife for a week, and Shoigu has grown over at home. And ask yourself a question: to whom and for what purpose is it necessary to do such stuffing and precisely on VO? So everything will fall into place.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 November 2015 07: 15 New
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      And ask yourself a question: to whom and why is it needed, such stuffing to do and it is in? So everything will fall into place.


      Видимо тем, кто ставил памятник гайдару и дал экономическому форуму его имя, кто пригласил на этот форум чубайса и кудрина. Тем, кто оправдал сердюкова и дал ему "хлебную" должность. Тем, кто снял обвинения с Васильевой и выпустил (???)её из колонии. Тем, кто активно радеет за докапитализацию российских банков и вложение денежных средств в зарубежные, не видя при этом 23 000 000 российских граждан, живущих за чертой бедности. Тем, кто разрешает владельцам домов, где торгуют наркотой, вывешивать камеры наружного наблюдения на опорах воздушных линий. Тем, у кого беспризорные дети не вызывают никаких эмоций (мало ли? мои под призором, бьют "феррари"). В общем, тем, к которым здешнее большинство - "никаким боком"... yes

      Сломанный зуб нужно удалять, а на его место вставлять новый, чтобы не портил общей картины "фейса"... hi
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 7 November 2015 07: 39 New
    +1
    There will be no lasting rear in the country. which means that there will be nothing good if those who produce and create material goods (workers and everyone else) receive 20 thousand rubles. and those who are dependent (officers for example) will receive 60 thousand rubles. If the officer does not like to serve in peacetime, now no one is holding him, let him get up to the machine twenty for a month and pay the mortgage like everyone else. A rich country is a rich army, but not vice versa
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 November 2015 08: 01 New
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      A rich country is a rich army, but not vice versa


      You forgot that the servants of the people should not feast during the plague. Our country is rich, but in the power structures (temporarily) turned out to be corrupt hanygas disguised as patriots. Need to offer them in cases of complaints about a low salary of 300 - 000 to stand up to the machine? or maybe put on a bench? ...
    2. warrior1979
      warrior1979 7 November 2015 09: 04 New
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      Since when is the military dependent on the state?
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 7 November 2015 08: 16 New
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    Quote: yuriy55
    You forgot that the servants of the people should not feast during the plague. Our country is rich, but in the power structures (temporarily) turned out to be corrupt hanygas disguised as patriots. Need to offer them in cases of complaints about a low salary of 300 - 000 to stand up to the machine? or maybe put on a bench? ...


    for theft on a state scale, the result of which was the impoverishment of one’s own people - life-long with confiscation, but you won’t put them to the machine, if only to the wall
  • Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 7 November 2015 08: 27 New
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    yrriy55. I also served all 90s and 2000s and didn’t whine. w-pp 28804-1994-97gv-h21005.99-2000. And yet demining is on the track record. General service is 9.5 years. 6 (six) places. preferential pension 3 (years) left. When Serdyuka we were kicked out, then before the retirement 3years, I didn’t give a damn to the state-woo.