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Russian Navy: Non-nuclear submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project can be built not only for the Black Sea, but also for other fleets

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Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov told about plans to build non-nuclear submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project not only for the Black Sea, but also for other fleets.




A contract is currently being implemented for the construction of a series of six submarines, four of which have already become part of the Navy, and two more will receive 2016 by December.

“The high command of the Navy is considering the possibility of building submarines for this project (636.3) for other fleets. There is a logic to this, since the submarines of the 636.3 project have good combat effectiveness and operational characteristics, ”Chassov TASS quotes.

Ceremonial Admission Ceremony fleet The Russian Federation of the fourth submarine Varshavyanka, known as Krasnodar, was held on November 5 at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. The submarine will take up combat duty in the 4th brigade of the Novorossiysk Naval Base.

The Russian Navy received the head boat of the Novorossiysk series in August last year. She arrived in the Black Sea in the middle of September 2015, completing the deep-sea testing in the Northern Fleet. Currently repaired in Sevastopol.

It is planned that in November of this year, the second submarine of the series - “Rostov-on-Don”, which joined the fleet at the end of last year, will arrive at the Black Sea. The third submarine "Stary Oskol" arrived to the military sailors in the summer of 2015.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 6 November 2015 09: 49
    13
    Oh, finally, the leadership has returned to reality. Fill Fleet real warships and underwater and surface, and then you will include ambitions.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 6 November 2015 09: 59
      10
      This is very good news, in today's reality, we need to think first of all about our army.
    2. Observer2014
      Observer2014 6 November 2015 09: 59
      +5
      "The Russian Navy: Project 636.3 Varshavyanka non-nuclear submarines can be built not only for the Black Sea, but also for other fleets"
      But this is, oh, how it should be! And rightly so. Keep at gunpoint "Calibs" EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. Close the entire perimeter of Russia. There is a polemic here today in the VO to the article "CNN: US aircraft carriers may become ineffective" here is the answer to it. As far as the "caliber" beats, the American AUG will not approach our shores. I am already silent about stationary ground targets.
      But go find the location of the submarine. Especially in the American concept of a disarming strike.
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 10: 47
        +2
        It would be nice to speed up with the modernization of Halibuts - 13 units are in line
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 6 November 2015 10: 05
      +8
      In fact, this is not very good news, because for the rest of the fleets, frets were planned - especially for tof. It seems that the frets do not live up to expectations and they will have to wait for viburnum or shipyards in the Far East to build them in the right time. In any case, a dap is still needed in the Baltic Sea (at least a couple of pieces), and primarily in the Pacific Fleet. It seems that it was decided at Assz to expand the production of Warsaw. Well, Pacific Fleet DEPLES are needed, it’s better to have a tit in your hand than a crane in the sky. And all the same, the halibuts will be modernized, and it will be much faster and probably cheaper to rebuild the old Warsaw than to rebuild the old ones.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 6 November 2015 10: 27
        0
        It is logical to place on the brigade.
        This is infrastructure, crew training, the organization of constant combat duty, combat use, etc.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 6 November 2015 10: 47
          +2
          And now, if you notice, almost everything is ordered by squadrons of 6 each. 6 corvettes 20380 in the Baltic (4 in service and 2 still under construction), 6 for tof (3 under construction and 3 contracted), 6 frigates 11356, 6 mr Buyan-m for the Black Sea Fleet and 6 for the Caspian Sea (3 in service and 3 contracted), 6 Warsaw women for the Black Sea Fleet, 6 corvettes 22160 for the Black Sea Fleet. And I suspect that 6 pieces will also be built on the tof Warsaw. Exceptions are usually due to force majeure such as import substitution or due to the irrelevance of building something like BDK 11711, which was reduced to 2 pieces.
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 6 November 2015 12: 21
        +2
        Lada did not pass the test, the engine is still raw, it must be brought to mind. The idea is correct, but not yet finalized.
      3. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 12: 45
        +1
        It seems that it was decided to start the production of Varshavyanka

        I don’t think so. ASZ barely copes with corvettes. If the second series of Varshavyankas is started (also, there are 2 ships, apparently), they will be built at the Admiralty shipyards, where a large backlog has already been created for them. It is more profitable to send Tofov Halibuts to the NPS, only when upgrading Calibers, and not to follow the path of exclusively major repairs, as with the Komsomolsk-on-Amur submarine. And in order to speed up work at the ASZ, salaries need to be raised - people work there with great reluctance, no discipline and no interest in work, because they pay pennies.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 6 November 2015 13: 23
          +1
          It was planned to make a center for the Far Eastern shipbuilding on the basis of the ASSC. Plus, when either Chirkov or his deputy (I don't remember now) was at the ASCZ, then he was shown the site "for the construction of Warsaw women." It seemed like a slip of the tongue then, but it looks like it isn't. Well, they wrote about the construction of a deple on assz last year, but then it was about frets. They pay kopecks to the ASCZ because the plant is all in debt and it was already infa that the money for the construction of corvettes went not to construction, but to pay off the debts. It seems like the debt situation is getting better, maybe things will accelerate. Plus Chirkov said that orders for assz would go according to the following scheme - they launch one corvette - they get money to start a new one. 6 corvettes 20380 is not a bad order, and if another 6 women from Warsaw are ordered, the plant will rise and possibly pay off the debts. In any case, the Far East needs a center for military shipbuilding, because building on the other end of the country and transferring it to the Pacific Fleet is not very efficient. Diesel-electric submarines will be built on the Far East, corvettes 20380 too, and the ASCZ is the most convenient candidate for this. By the way, I think that after the project is ready at the Pacific Fleet, MRK 22800 will also need to be built at the Far East.
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 13: 38
            0
            The Far East needs a military shipbuilding center, which is not very efficient to build on the other end of the country and to be driven to the Pacific Fleet

            Not exactly for this reason - there is not enough production space + on the TPA, we need our own production site for major repairs.

            The diesel-electric submarines will be built on the Far East, 20380 corvettes will also ... I think that 22800 mrk

            The size of the plant allows it, but obviously it will be necessary to re-equip the facilities. And do not forget about the modernization of existing ships: while the new is being built, the old is rotting.

            In general, a large-scale reconstruction of the plant is needed: to pay off debts, if it has not already been done, to update the technology park, to increase salaries and to start loading orders. Only then will we see the rise of the Pacific Fleet, which is now in deep prostration.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 6 November 2015 10: 35
      0
      So! And only so! Seven feet under the keel, and to us - "For those at sea!"
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  2. alekc75
    alekc75 6 November 2015 09: 50
    +3
    6 is not enough, it would be necessary a dozen more
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 6 November 2015 10: 09
      +4
      "alekc75 6 is not enough, it would take another ten"
      So it depends on what "caliber" equip! And then maybe that would discourage the hunt for us to attack and that's enough. If earlier only the Strategic Missile Forces strategic aviation and the strategic nuclear submarine fleet were the guarantors of our security. Now every missile boat, even with 8 "calibers" has turned into a missile cruiser capable of operating deliver a nuclear and non-nuclear surprise to partners.
  3. Limon1972
    Limon1972 6 November 2015 09: 51
    0
    Let them test in Syria. Pulnut of the Kyrgyz Republic for something big in the mountains.
  4. prabiz
    prabiz 6 November 2015 09: 51
    +2
    Good groundwork! I want everything conceived - to be realized!
  5. avvg
    avvg 6 November 2015 09: 52
    +2
    We're going to cut Washington's underwater Internet cables.
  6. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 6 November 2015 09: 53
    +4
    A groan came from Sweden: No, not that, where are we going to slowly look for them all?
    Baltic steers, hello Karlsson, chukha !!! wassat
  7. Yunik
    Yunik 6 November 2015 09: 53
    +3
    There are never many good boats, and taking into account the "caliber" complex, this makes them part of the defense strategy of the Russian Federation.
  8. roskot
    roskot 6 November 2015 09: 53
    0
    Serious plans. And we have a lot of plans. We started to bake the submarines like pies.
    Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast.
  9. veksha50
    veksha50 6 November 2015 09: 57
    +1
    "The main command of the Navy is considering the possibility of building submarines of this project (636.3) and for other fleets"...

    And what ... On the North - it is against the Scandinavians, especially Norway, which is like a splinter for our SF ... On the Pacific - the same Japan and ... I will not poke a finger ... and some of them ...

    I don’t know about the Baltic ... somehow a bit shallow-locked-locked ...
  10. avt
    avt 6 November 2015 09: 58
    +3
    How do you command me to understand this? Like the fact that with project 677 everything is krant?
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 03
      +5
      Why is it needed? The development of "Kalina", a full-fledged submarine with VNEU, is underway, and "Lada" is an unsuccessful project, 1 unit has been built and 2 more are being built on this, most likely.
      Apparently it dawned on the admirals that they had to moderate their imperial ambitions and build real ships and submarines, and not transport mock-ups of "Leaders" and aircraft carriers to exhibitions.
      1. avt
        avt 6 November 2015 10: 19
        +1
        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        Why is it needed? The development of "Kalina", a full-fledged submarine with VNEU, is underway, and "Lada" is an unsuccessful project, 1 unit has been built and 2 more are being built on this, most likely.

        Can you name the number of the project "Kalina"? And the fact that only the Avant project was completed on it does not say anything?
        1. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 42
          0
          Can you name the number of the project "Kalina"? And the fact that only the Avant project was completed on it does not say anything?


          No, he doesn't say anything. Kalina will be the first full-fledged next generation submarine with VNEU.

          If the Navy continues to torment the Lada, they will once again confirm their stupidity, if they completely abandon the Lada and order more Varshavyanoks in anticipation of Kalina, well done, what else to say. The Navy needs new combat units, not "disabled" ones in trial operation.
          1. avt
            avt 6 November 2015 10: 45
            0
            Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
            No, it says nothing.

            Poorly . So you don’t want to give yourself an account of the real state of affairs on the 5th generation boat, but for the simplest reason, it is NOT even in the drawings.
            1. KGB WATCH YOU
              KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 49
              -1
              Poorly . So you don’t want to give yourself an account of the real state of affairs on the 5th generation boat, but for the simplest reason, it is NOT even in the drawings.


              I know, and what should I do? To order a disabled "Lada" or get 2 "Varshavyanka" a year?
            2. Tektor
              Tektor 7 November 2015 12: 57
              0
              Nowadays it is considered to be grandmother. It turns out that the quality / price of 6363 projects is very worthy. If these boats are picked up with more capacious batteries, which the industry has begun to produce, then it will be able to "dive" for more than 10 days. And this is already comparable to boats with VNEU ... which they promise us only by 2020. And the production of 6363 has been adjusted and optimized. And we really need minelayers ...
          2. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 6 November 2015 11: 38
            +1
            Kalina has just been drawn, but how long will it take to debug the project ??? Probably more than one year. And who knows that the Krasnoye Sormovo plant is now able to produce the same Varshavyanka?
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  11. DenZ
    DenZ 6 November 2015 10: 02
    +2
    How do you command me to understand this? Like the fact that with project 677 everything is krant?

    Here in this article about Lada today everything is intelligibly written http://topwar.ru/85743-glavkom-vmf-rf-ckb-rubin-suschestvenno-uluchshit-harakter
    istiki-podlodok-proekta-677-lada-v-hode-modernizacii.html
  12. 75 hammer
    75 hammer 6 November 2015 10: 03
    +7
    I didn’t understand something alone, or I need to shout, too, where is 677 with an anaerobic engine based on diesel reforming? !!!!!!!!!!! 636.6 is not a bad project, but compare in performance with Japanese and German submarines with anaerobic installations! Again on the I-16 against the Me-109. I would also understand if during the construction of 636 a similar modernization was provided.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 21
      0
      Hurray "Kalina" shout, "Lada" is over smile
      1. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 6 November 2015 10: 34
        +1
        Lada is still far from over! And viburnum and then on the drawing board until two times and miscalculated ...
        1. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 47
          0
          Lada is far from over!


          Well, in vain.

          It would be easy to order "Varshavyanka" and wait for "Kalina". There are big doubts that VNEU will be brought to Lada, so it is better not to produce different projects.
    2. DenZ
      DenZ 6 November 2015 12: 39
      0
      I would also understand if during the construction of 636 a similar modernization was provided.

      Rumored such modernization is foreseen (installation of an anaerobic installation).
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  13. rotor
    rotor 6 November 2015 10: 29
    +6
    Submarine "Novorossiysk" in Sevastopol
  14. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov 6 November 2015 10: 42
    +3
    The news is not clear. On the one hand, with the 677 project, neither B nor M has yet, and the pace of construction of the 2 and 3 ships of the series is simply inadequate, and the head one turned out ... Well, in general, it didn’t put it mildly. in large quantities they will begin to be built, God forbid, towards the end of this decade.

    In these conditions, the fast and confident construction of the 636.3 makes sense, until the 20 year, we are still about the same as we can do for the Black Sea Fleet, and as a result we will get very good ships.

    But on the other hand, -636.3 is far from the last word in technology, not only is the 3rd generation, so also without VNEU. It is unequivocally inferior in basic parameters (stealth, detection range, etc.) to the newest enemy boats, the Japanese Soryu, French Scorpen, the newest German type 214. Moreover, for the same Black Sea Fleet, this project is purchased as a temporary measure. It will remain "fresh" for a very short time, about 10 years.

    I don’t feel like it, but I will have to make the next generation boats. If we abandon the mass construction of the 677 project, this will be a direct admission, we were about the ** 4 generation of NPLs and were unable to do it.
  15. AlexTires
    AlexTires 6 November 2015 11: 16
    0
    It looks like the anaerobic installation was dopped the same, and it pleases!
  16. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 6 November 2015 12: 05
    +1
    There is no anaerobic engine, cheers! So what? And even if you make boats without an anaerobic engine, you should at least add vertical launchers for the Caliber, 12 pieces. 4 rockets launched through torpedo tubes, taking into account the cost of the boat, is not serious.
  17. rudolff
    rudolff 6 November 2015 13: 23
    +3
     Anton Gavrilov: "... If we abandon the mass construction of the 677th project, this will actually be a direct admission - we missed the 4th generation of the NNS and were unable to make it."
    Anton, you very accurately put it. Only this phrase should not sound in the future, but in the past tense. This is an accomplished fact.
    "The Russian Navy does not need Lada in its current form. We do not need new" brains "with weapons that would sit on the energy sector of World War II. Why? Who needs it? And its operational properties are the same (Project 636)" ... This statement was made by the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Admiral Vysotsky back in 2012. The construction of the series for this project was stopped. Later it was resumed with a purely strong-willed decision due to the lack of an alternative and in the hope that the project would still be brought to an acceptable level. Alas.
    Project Kalina, this is not the next generation for Lada. This is an alternative to the failed Lada.
    In these realities, the decision to continue the Varshavyanka series is not just justified, it is the only correct one. There is simply no other way out.
    It is a pity, of course, that on the modernized 636.3 they did not make a tie-in with vertical launchers for the Caliber nomenclature. Although there is a "rapid-fire" Murena, its capabilities are still limited by the time it takes to reload the TA. It is also a pity that the promised lithium-ion batteries were never delivered. They could significantly increase the underwater autonomy. It's a pity ... But what we have is what we have. At least some real ships in metal, not virtual wishes.
    1. Anton Gavrilov
      Anton Gavrilov 6 November 2015 19: 52
      0
      Well, firstly, Kalina is already the 5-th generation, this is a direct development of the 677-th project. Before it is still far away.

      Secondly, all the same, the units following the lead ship should be much better than the first .... At least there should be no defective power plants, and there should not be practically any seriously unfinished equipment samples. Yes, and the project was updated over time, it’s unambiguously basic 636 will significantly exceed the parameters if everything is done as it should. It’s too early to set a point with Lada.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 6 November 2015 21: 30
        +2
        Kalina, is this already the fifth generation? A bold statement! To be honest, I don't even know the signs that distinguish the fifth from the fourth. The fourth is characterized by the presence of VNEU, well, and other "goodies" like non-penetrating optronic devices, but for the fifth? And what is the fifth generation in general can we talk about if we still have not been able to master the fourth? We have gained experience in operating anaerobic installations and created an even more advanced one, which gives underwater autonomy in one and a half to two months? Or will the new ECH directly power the main propulsion electric motor not at three nodes, but up to 10-12? Shall we create a new missile weapon an order of magnitude cooler than Caliber, Onyx, or shove Zircon into it? Thinking up something even quieter than an electric motor? Or will we try to stick the Yasenevsky State Joint Stock Company together with its "sphere"? None of this will happen! Lada, like the modernized Varshavyanka, is generation 3+, only unsuccessful. Kalina, an attempt to create a full-fledged fourth generation and nothing more. Let's face it, not fantasize.
        Regarding the fact that the 677th project was updated and it significantly exceeds the 636.3 ... But why did we then decide to limit the 677th series to the completion of the existing reserve and then put 636.3 "on stream" for all fleets? It was not possible to "cure" Lada with little blood. That is why St. Petersburg is still in the experimental one. A complete redesign of the project is required. So Kalina appeared. She is Lada-2.
  18. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 November 2015 13: 46
    +1
    There are countries of the first world in which the second generation of submarines is changing with anaerobic installation of their own design and construction. There are countries of the second world that sell anaerobic submarines and (or) allow them to build them under license. And there are third world countries. Submarines and licenses for which they do not sell, they cannot develop their own, and they are forced to continue to build submarines for the development of the 70s for themselves and pass it off as virtue. Actually this is the case in real life, in the brain of urapatriots, of course, everything is exactly the opposite. The only thing that saves us from the fate of Iraq is the construction of a nuclear submarine.
    Has anyone joked about Lada Kalina yet? I'll be the first.)
  19. Old26
    Old26 6 November 2015 16: 44
    +1
    Quote: Observer2014
    As far as the "caliber" beats, the American AUG will not approach our shores.

    About 400 km. And do you think that they will come this distance? They will not stick into the Baltic, there is no need, In the Black Sea - also unnecessarily. In the North, they can attack "from around the corner" where our "Calibers" will not reach

    Quote: Observer2014
    Keep at gunpoint "Calibs" EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. Close the entire perimeter of Russia.

    You are doing some kind of "wunderwaffe" from "Caliber". In the north, she is not in business, except in the region of Murmansk and the Kola Peninsula. At the Pacific Fleet - one and a half thousand kilometers of islands - they also cannot be covered. And the enemy will not approach this distance
    Break through to the AUG? Perhaps, but akin to suicide, because AUG will leave her as soon as she shows herself, if she doesn’t drown him first. The boat is good, but on certain TVDs and against a specific enemy. And do not consider it a panacea for all misfortunes

    Quote: Observer2014
    Now every missile boat, even with 8 "calibers", has turned into a missile cruiser capable of promptly delivering a nuclear and non-nuclear surprise to partners.


    Well, okay. Now "punt" class "river-sea" are already associated with the cruiser. How could it be otherwise. Start 26 KR and begin to swell with pride. And what will this "missile cruiser" do when an enemy aircraft with missiles with a firing range of 20-30 km comes out on it? Self-dumping so as not to be drowned?
  20. I am Russian
    I am Russian 6 November 2015 18: 03
    0
    Oh Caliber ... laughing Sense of Caliber if it is not deployed on enough media. Well, except that the bearded drive.

    And here, 636 I think it is necessary to continue to build. Well-established DEPL.