Russian Navy: Non-nuclear submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project can be built not only for the Black Sea, but also for other fleets

Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov told about plans to build non-nuclear submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project not only for the Black Sea, but also for other fleets.




A contract is currently being implemented for the construction of a series of six submarines, four of which have already become part of the Navy, and two more will receive 2016 by December.

“The high command of the Navy is considering the possibility of building submarines for this project (636.3) for other fleets. There is a logic to this, since the submarines of the 636.3 project have good combat effectiveness and operational characteristics, ”Chassov TASS quotes.

Ceremonial Admission Ceremony fleet The Russian Federation of the fourth submarine Varshavyanka, known as Krasnodar, was held on November 5 at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. The submarine will take up combat duty in the 4th brigade of the Novorossiysk Naval Base.

The Russian Navy received the head boat of the Novorossiysk series in August last year. She arrived in the Black Sea in the middle of September 2015, completing the deep-sea testing in the Northern Fleet. Currently repaired in Sevastopol.

It is planned that in November of this year, the second submarine of the series - “Rostov-on-Don”, which joined the fleet at the end of last year, will arrive at the Black Sea. The third submarine "Stary Oskol" arrived to the military sailors in the summer of 2015.
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  1. Vladimyrych 6 November 2015 09: 49 New
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    Oh, finally, the leadership has returned to reality. Fill Fleet real warships and underwater and surface, and then you will include ambitions.
    1. vovanpain 6 November 2015 09: 59 New
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      This is very good news, in today's reality, we need to think first of all about our army.
    2. Observer2014 6 November 2015 09: 59 New
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      "Russian Navy: Non-nuclear submarines of project 636.3 Varshavyanka" can be built not only for the Black Sea, but also for other fleets "
      But this is so right! And rightly so. Keep sight of the “Calibes” ALL AND ALL. Close the entire perimeter of Russia. There is today a controversy in the VO for the article "CNN: US aircraft carriers can become ineffective" and here is the answer to it. How much the “caliber” beats by so many American will not be suitable for our shores AUG. I am already silent about stationary ground targets.
      And here’s the place where the submarine is located, go find it. Especially in the American "disarming strike concept."
      1. Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 10: 47 New
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        It would be nice to accelerate with the modernization of the "Halibus" - 13 units are in line
    3. g1v2 6 November 2015 10: 05 New
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      In fact, this is not very good news, because for the rest of the fleets, frets were planned - especially for tof. It seems that the frets do not live up to expectations and they will have to wait for viburnum or shipyards in the Far East to build them in the right time. In any case, a dap is still needed in the Baltic Sea (at least a couple of pieces), and primarily in the Pacific Fleet. It seems that it was decided at Assz to expand the production of Warsaw. Well, Pacific Fleet DEPLES are needed, it’s better to have a tit in your hand than a crane in the sky. And all the same, the halibuts will be modernized, and it will be much faster and probably cheaper to rebuild the old Warsaw than to rebuild the old ones.
      1. Dmitry 2246 6 November 2015 10: 27 New
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        It is logical to place on the brigade.
        This is infrastructure, crew training, the organization of constant combat duty, combat use, etc.
        1. g1v2 6 November 2015 10: 47 New
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          And now, if you notice, almost everything is ordered by squadrons of 6 each. 6 corvettes 20380 in the Baltic (4 in service and 2 still under construction), 6 for tof (3 under construction and 3 contracted), 6 frigates 11356, 6 mr Buyan-m for the Black Sea Fleet and 6 for the Caspian Sea (3 in service and 3 contracted), 6 Warsaw women for the Black Sea Fleet, 6 corvettes 22160 for the Black Sea Fleet. And I suspect that 6 pieces will also be built on the tof Warsaw. Exceptions are usually due to force majeure such as import substitution or due to the irrelevance of building something like BDK 11711, which was reduced to 2 pieces.
      2. Maxom75 6 November 2015 12: 21 New
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        Lada did not pass the test, the engine is still raw, it must be brought to mind. The idea is correct, but not yet finalized.
      3. Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 12: 45 New
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        It seems that it was decided to start the production of Varshavyanka

        I do not think. NEA barely copes with corvettes. If the 2 series of Warsawyanki is begun (also, 6 ships, apparently), they will be built at the Admiralty shipyards, where a large reserve has already been created for them. It is more profitable to direct the Tofov Halibus to the PES, only to upgrade when installing the Gauge, and not to follow the path of an overhaul, as with the Komsomolsk-on-Amur submarine. And in order to speed up work at the plant, you need to raise wages - the people there work with great reluctance, no discipline and interest in work, because they pay a penny.
        1. g1v2 6 November 2015 13: 23 New
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          It was planned to make a center for Far Eastern shipbuilding on the basis of the shipbuilding complex. Plus, when either Chirkov, or the deputy (now I don’t remember) was at the NSSA, they showed him a plot “for the construction of Warsaw”. Then it seemed a reservation, but it seems that it is not. Well, they wrote about the construction of a dail at Assz last year, but then it was about frets. Pennies are paid to AIPZ, because the plant is all in debt and there was already infa that the money for the construction of corvettes was not spent on construction, but on debt payments. It seems like the situation on debts is getting better, maybe things will accelerate. Plus Chirkov said that orders for Assz will go according to this scheme - they launch one corvette into the water - they receive money for laying a new one. 6 corvettes 20380 and so a good order, and if 6 more Warsaw women order, then the plant will rise and possibly pay off its debts. In any case, the Far East needs a center for military shipbuilding, because it’s not very efficient to build on the other side of the country and transfer to Pacific Fleet. They will build diesel-electric submarines in the Far East, 20380 corvettes, too, including ASC for this is the most convenient candidate. By the way, I think that MRK 22800, after the readiness of the project at the Pacific Fleet, will also need to be built on the Far East.
          1. Eugene-Eugene 6 November 2015 13: 38 New
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            The Far East needs a military shipbuilding center, which is not very efficient to build on the other end of the country and to be driven to the Pacific Fleet

            Not exactly for this reason - there is not enough production space + on the TPA, we need our own production site for major repairs.

            The diesel-electric submarines will be built on the Far East, 20380 corvettes will also ... I think that 22800 mrk

            The size of the plant allows it, but obviously it will be necessary to re-equip the facilities. And do not forget about the modernization of existing ships: while the new is being built, the old is rotting.

            In general, a large-scale reconstruction of the plant is needed: to pay off debts, if it has not already been done, to update the technology park, to increase salaries and to start loading orders. Only then will we see the rise of the Pacific Fleet, which is now in deep prostration.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 6 November 2015 10: 35 New
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      So! And only so! Seven feet under the keel, and for us - "For those who are at sea!"
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  2. alekc75 6 November 2015 09: 50 New
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    6 is not enough, it would be necessary a dozen more
    1. Observer2014 6 November 2015 10: 09 New
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      "alekc75 6 is not enough, I would have a dozen more"
      So it depends on what the "caliber" to equip! And it might be enough to discourage us from attacking, and that’s enough. If earlier only Strategic Rocket Forces strategic aviation and the strategic nuclear submarine fleet were the guarantors of our security. Now every missile boat with even 8 gauges has turned into a missile cruiser capable of operational deliver partners a nuclear and non-nuclear surprise.
  3. Limon1972 6 November 2015 09: 51 New
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    Let them test in Syria. Pulnut of the Kyrgyz Republic for something big in the mountains.
  4. prabiz 6 November 2015 09: 51 New
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    Good groundwork! I want everything conceived - to be realized!
  5. avvg 6 November 2015 09: 52 New
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    We're going to cut Washington's underwater Internet cables.
  6. Major Yurik 6 November 2015 09: 53 New
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    A groan came from Sweden: No, not that, where are we going to slowly look for them all?
    Baltic steers, hello Karlsson, chukha !!! wassat
  7. Yunik 6 November 2015 09: 53 New
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    There are not many good boats, and taking into account the complex "caliber", this makes them part of the defense strategy of the Russian Federation.
  8. roskot 6 November 2015 09: 53 New
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    Serious plans. And we have a lot of plans. We started to bake the submarines like pies.
    Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast.
  9. veksha50 6 November 2015 09: 57 New
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    "The Navy High Command is considering the possibility of building submarines of this project (636.3) and for other fleets"...

    And what ... On the North - it is against the Scandinavians, especially Norway, which is like a splinter for our SF ... On the Pacific - the same Japan and ... I will not poke a finger ... and some of them ...

    I don’t know about the Baltic ... somehow a bit shallow-locked-locked ...
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    avt 6 November 2015 09: 58 New
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    How do you command me to understand this? Like the fact that with project 677 everything is krant?
    1. KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 03 New
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      Why is it needed? The development of Kalina, a full-fledged submarine with VNEU, is underway, and Lada is an unsuccessful project, 1 unit has been built and 2 more are being built on this most likely.
      Apparently, the admirals realized that it was necessary to moderate their imperial ambitions and build real ships and submarines, and not to carry models of "Leaders" and aircraft carriers at exhibitions.
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        avt 6 November 2015 10: 19 New
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        Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
        Why is it needed? The development of Kalina, a full-fledged submarine with VNEU, is underway, and Lada is an unsuccessful project, 1 unit has been built and 2 more are being built on this most likely.

        And the project number ,, Kalina "you will not name? And the fact that only the project was finished on it, doesn’t say anything?
        1. KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 42 New
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          And the project number ,, Kalina "you will not name? And the fact that only the project was finished on it, doesn’t say anything?


          No, it says nothing. Kalina will be the first full-fledged next-generation submarine with VNEU.

          If the Navy continues to torment Lada, then they will once again confirm their poor mind, if they completely abandon Lada and order another Varshavyanka in anticipation of Kalina, then well done, what else to say. The fleet needs new combat units, and not the "disabled" who are in trial operation.
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            avt 6 November 2015 10: 45 New
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            Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
            No, it says nothing.

            Poorly . So you don’t want to give yourself an account of the real state of affairs on the 5th generation boat, but for the simplest reason, it is NOT even in the drawings.
            1. KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 49 New
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              Poorly . So you don’t want to give yourself an account of the real state of affairs on the 5th generation boat, but for the simplest reason, it is NOT even in the drawings.


              I am aware, and what to do? To order a disabled "Lada" or to receive 2 "Varshavyanka" per year?
            2. Tektor 7 November 2015 12: 57 New
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              Now it is customary to consider dibs. It turns out that the quality / price of 6363 projects is very worthy. If these boats are selected with more capacious batteries, which the industry began to produce, then it will be able to “dive” for longer than 10 days. And this is comparable to boats with VNEU ... which promise us only by 2020. And production 6363 is adjusted and optimized. And we really need mine blockers ...
          2. Evgeniy667b 6 November 2015 11: 38 New
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            Kalina has just been drawn, and how much time will it take to debug the project ??? Probably more than one year. And who knows, the Krasnoye Sormovo plant is now able to produce the same Varshavyanka?
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  11. DenZ 6 November 2015 10: 02 New
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    How do you command me to understand this? Like the fact that with project 677 everything is krant?

    Here in this article about Lada today everything is intelligibly written http://topwar.ru/85743-glavkom-vmf-rf-ckb-rubin-suschestvenno-uluchshit-harakter
    istiki-podlodok-proekta-677-lada-v-hode-modernizacii.html
  12. 75 hammer 6 November 2015 10: 03 New
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    I didn’t understand something alone, or I need to shout, too, where is 677 with an anaerobic engine based on diesel reforming? !!!!!!!!!!! 636.6 is not a bad project, but compare in performance with Japanese and German submarines with anaerobic installations! Again on the I-16 against the Me-109. I would also understand if during the construction of 636 a similar modernization was provided.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 21 New
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      Cheers "Kalina" scream, "Lada" is over smile
      1. Anton Gavrilov 6 November 2015 10: 34 New
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        Lada is still far from over! And viburnum and then on the drawing board until two times and miscalculated ...
        1. KGB WATCH YOU 6 November 2015 10: 47 New
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          Lada is far from over!


          Well, in vain.

          They would calmly order the Varshavyanka and wait for Kalina. There are big doubts that VNEU will be brought to Lada, so it’s better not to produce different projects.
    2. DenZ 6 November 2015 12: 39 New
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      I would also understand if during the construction of 636 a similar modernization was provided.

      Rumored such modernization is foreseen (installation of an anaerobic installation).
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  13. rotor 6 November 2015 10: 29 New
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    Submarine Novorossiysk in Sevastopol
  14. Anton Gavrilov 6 November 2015 10: 42 New
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    The news is not clear. On the one hand, with the 677 project, neither B nor M has yet, and the pace of construction of the 2 and 3 ships of the series is simply inadequate, and the head one turned out ... Well, in general, it didn’t put it mildly. in large quantities they will begin to be built, God forbid, towards the end of this decade.

    In these conditions, the fast and confident construction of the 636.3 makes sense, until the 20 year, we are still about the same as we can do for the Black Sea Fleet, and as a result we will get very good ships.

    But on the other hand, the 636.3 is far from the last word in technology, not only that the 3 generation is also without VNEU, it is clearly inferior in its main parameters (stealth, detection range, etc.) to the latest enemy boats, the Japanese Soryu, French Scorpene, the German newest type of 214. Moreover, for the same Black Sea Fleet, this project is being purchased as a temporary measure. It will be “fresh” for a very short time, about 10 years.

    I don’t feel like it, but I will have to make the next generation boats. If we abandon the mass construction of the 677 project, this will be a direct admission, we were about the ** 4 generation of NPLs and were unable to do it.
  15. AlexTires 6 November 2015 11: 16 New
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    It looks like the anaerobic installation was dopped the same, and it pleases!
  16. ilya_oz 6 November 2015 12: 05 New
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    There is no anaerobic engine, cheers! So what? And even if you make boats without an anaerobic engine, you should at least add vertical launchers for the Caliber, 12 pieces. 4 rockets launched through torpedo tubes, taking into account the cost of the boat, is not serious.
  17. rudolff 6 November 2015 13: 23 New
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     Anton Gavrilov: "... If we abandon the mass construction of the 677th project, this will in fact be a direct recognition — we were about ** the 4th generation of NPLs and were unable to do it."
    Anton, you very accurately put it. Only this phrase should not sound in the future, but in the past tense. This is an accomplished fact.
    "The Russian Navy does not need the Lada as it is. We don’t need new" brains "with weapons that could be used in the energy sector of World War II. Why? Who needs this? And its operational properties are the same (pr. 636)" . Admiral Vysotsky made this statement by the Navy Commander back in 2012. The construction of a series for this project was stopped. Later it was resumed with a purely willful decision for the lack of an alternative and in the hope that the project would nevertheless be brought to an acceptable level. Alas.
    Project Kalina, this is not the next generation for Lada. This is an alternative to the failed Lada.
    In these realities, the decision to continue the Varshavyanka series is not just justified, it is the only correct one. There is simply no other way out.
    It is a pity, of course, that on the modernized 636.3 they did not make an insert with vertical launchers under the Caliber range. Although there is a "quick-firing" Murena, but its capabilities are still limited by the time to reload the TA. It is also a pity that the promised lithium-ion batteries did not wait. They could significantly increase underwater autonomy. Sorry ... But what we have, then we have. At least some real ships in metal, not virtual Wishlist.
    1. Anton Gavrilov 6 November 2015 19: 52 New
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      Well, firstly, Kalina is already the 5-th generation, this is a direct development of the 677-th project. Before it is still far away.

      Secondly, all the same, the units following the lead ship should be much better than the first .... At least there should be no defective power plants, and there should not be practically any seriously unfinished equipment samples. Yes, and the project was updated over time, it’s unambiguously basic 636 will significantly exceed the parameters if everything is done as it should. It’s too early to set a point with Lada.
      1. rudolff 6 November 2015 21: 30 New
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        Kalina, is this the fifth generation? A bold statement! Honestly, I don’t even know the signs that distinguish the fifth from the fourth. The fourth is characterized by the presence of VNEU, well, and other "goodies" like non-penetrating optocouplers, but for the fifth? And what fifth generation can we talk about if we still have not been able to master the fourth? We gained experience in operating anaerobic plants and created even more advanced, giving underwater autonomy in one and a half to two months? Or will the new ECG power the main rowing electric motor directly, not on three nodes, but up to 10-12? Let's create a new missile weapon an order of magnitude cooler than Caliber, Onyx or Zircon shove it into it? Think of something quieter than an electric motor? Or try to stick Yasenevsky HAC together with its "sphere"? Yes, there will be none of this! Lada, like the modernized Varshavyanka, is a 3+ generation, only unsuccessful. Kalina, an attempt to create a full fourth generation and nothing more. Let's face it, not fantasize.
        Regarding the fact that the 677th project was updated and it significantly exceeds 636.3 ... And what then did we decide to limit the 677th series to completing the existing backlog and then put 636.3 on the stream for all fleets? It did not work to “cure” Lada with little blood. Therefore, St. Petersburg is still experienced. A complete revision of the project is required. So Kalina appeared. She is Lada-2.
  18. chunga-changa 6 November 2015 13: 46 New
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    There are countries of the first world in which the second generation of submarines is changing with anaerobic installation of their own design and construction. There are countries of the second world that sell anaerobic submarines and (or) allow them to build them under license. And there are third world countries. Submarines and licenses for which they do not sell, they cannot develop their own, and they are forced to continue to build submarines for the development of the 70s for themselves and pass it off as virtue. Actually this is the case in real life, in the brain of urapatriots, of course, everything is exactly the opposite. The only thing that saves us from the fate of Iraq is the construction of a nuclear submarine.
    Nobody joked about Lada Kalina yet? I will be the first.)
  19. Old26 6 November 2015 16: 44 New
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    Quote: Observer2014
    How much the “caliber” beats by so many American will not be suitable for our shores AUG.

    About 400 km. And do you think that they will come to such a distance? They do not go to the Baltic, there is no need, To the Black Sea - also unnecessarily. In the North they can attack "from around the corner", where our "Caliber" will not get

    Quote: Observer2014
    Keep sight of the “Calibes” ALL AND ALL. Close the entire perimeter of Russia.

    You are from the “Caliber” some kind of “prodigy” do. In the north, she is not in business, except in the area of ​​Murmansk and the Kola Peninsula. At the Pacific Fleet - one and a half thousand kilometers of islands - also cannot be covered by them. And the enemy will not fit at such a distance
    Break through to the AUG? Perhaps, but akin to suicide, because AUG will leave her as soon as she shows herself, if she doesn’t drown him first. The boat is good, but on certain TVDs and against a specific enemy. And do not consider it a panacea for all misfortunes

    Quote: Observer2014
    Now every missile boat, even with 8 gauges, has turned into a missile cruiser capable of delivering nuclear and non-nuclear surprise to partners quickly.


    Well, okay. Now, punts of the river-sea class are already associated with the cruiser. How otherwise. Start 26 KR and begin to swell with pride. And what will this “missile cruiser” do when an enemy aircraft with missiles having a firing range of 20-30 km comes out on it? Self-diving, so as not to drown?
  20. I am Russian 6 November 2015 18: 03 New
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    Oh Caliber ... laughing Sense of Caliber if it is not deployed on enough media. Well, except that the bearded drive.

    And here, 636 I think it is necessary to continue to build. Well-established DEPL.