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Bomb the beast in his lair - so what?

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Bomb the beast in his lair - so what?What are the prospects for the Syrian operation of Russia? President Putin has clearly identified two things: Ground forces will not be sent to Syria, and air strikes will continue for the time required for an offensive operation by the Syrian army. Everything is logical: wars are not won by actions aviation. A year ago, I wrote in NG: “Everyone can bomb, and whoever sends Tanks and infantry? ” No one sent. So, the Syrian government army is the decisive factor. What is she like?


The Arab spring in Syria began the same way as elsewhere. The teenagers painted the same words on the walls of the houses: “The people want the regime to fall,” the police dealt with them cruelly, then the protest turned into a riot.

Syria differs from Tunisia, Egypt and Libya in that there were intercommunal contradictions: 70% of the population - Sunnis - tolerated 12% of Alawites - a special sect that once stood out from Shiite Islam. Whether the Alawites can be regarded as Shiites is a moot point, but what matters is that the Sunni majority of Syria considers them to be, and more importantly, the age-old hatred of Shiites, warmed up by the Wahhabi concept that Shiites are even worse than infidels, colors all those with bloody color the actions that al Qaeda immigrants have become famous for in Iraq and Syria. The Alawite minority opposes the Sunni majority; without taking this cardinal circumstance into account, it is impossible to understand why the government army, armed with first-class Russian aircraft, tanks, missiles and guns, has not been able to cope with those whom President Bashar Asad dismissively calls a gang of criminals, mercenaries and terrorists for four years. I had to turn to the help of "big brother".

Of course, not all Sunnis are against the Assad regime, moreover - in his army the soldier’s mass is staffed mainly with Sunni draftees. However, their fighting spirit, apparently, is not very high, especially if they have to deal with fanatic jihadists, for whom great happiness is to die for their faith. But at the same time, we note two points: first, the army had to fight with these fanatics mainly in recent years, when they rushed from Iraq, and in the early years of the war, Assad’s forces were confronted primarily by the Free Syrian Army, which consisted of deserters who fled to Turkey . But it was during this period that most of the territory of Syria was lost, the war flared in the suburbs of Damascus and in the center of the second city of the country - Aleppo. Consequently, the government army was unable to cope even with the troops of those called the moderate secular opposition, despite the overwhelming superiority in armaments. Secondly, those who saw on TV screens Syrian refugees, rushing to Europe, could not help noticing a lot of young men. And although some of them, regardless of religious affiliation, fled, saving their lives, a considerable number of these people clearly sought to avoid being drafted into the army, especially since Assad this year recognized for the first time the lack of manpower.

Such an army (although the Lebanese Hezbollah and Iranian special forces are fighting along with it, but they are not too numerous) will have to complete the work that Russian aircraft began: defeat the forces of Islamist alien terrorists, that is, the IS (banned in Russia ) and "Dzhebhat an-Nusra." But these forces are by no means the main part of the opponents of the Assad regime, and the government army only comes into contact with them at two or three sites, but it is necessary to fight mainly with parts of the Free Syrian Army and other local, Syrian, and moderate forces. Islamist. So far, no serious successes have been heard. It is reported that some localities have been freed (but this is not shown on the maps), that the enemy is running in panic, throwing weapon (but apparently not a single prisoner, otherwise a triumphant noise would have been made). But liberating Syria means defeating all enemies, both real terrorists and the troops of the internal opposition; and it may happen that all the enemies of the regime in the face of such a truly formidable enemy as Russian aviation will stop fighting each other, and the government forces will not be able to beat them one by one. Then the prospect of a long-term positional war, the continuation of the sluggish fighting, which has been characteristic of all recent years, emerges. Free several villages per week? In the meantime, Russian aviation will bomb and bomb, and Russia will continue the operation, which costs, as reported, in 4 million dollars a day?


Take the best option: most of Syria has been liberated. Where will the militants go? They are not such idiots to sit in the desert under the bombs. They may go to Iraq, but this is not an escape, but a displacement. Recall the Taliban and Al-Qaida when the Americans invaded Afghanistan after the September 11 terrorist attack on September 2001; The militants left Kabul and all major cities, moved south to the mountains, to the Pakistan border, sat out, waited, and returned. They moved. In Iraq, seven years ago, when the current IS (then called Al Qaeda in Iraq) was almost broken, the jihadists left for Syria, and last year they moved to Iraq again. They can do it again, and what's left? Since Russian troops are excluded, the Assad army will be able to resist only by calling aviation again from Russia, and everything will resume. Bomb again. How long? And there’s no end in sight, since the Islamists have a powerful rear - Iraq. But there already will require the request of the Baghdad government, and it is unlikely to break with Washington. Yes, even if it went, it could have been even worse for us, because the scale of the war would have greatly expanded, and without the hope that the goal — the destruction of Islamist terrorism — would be achieved.

And to stop the bombing - means to leave the Syrian army to its mercy, while its enemies will increase, not so much the IS, which can be isolated, how "moderate" with the support of Turkey, the Gulf countries and the United States. And the matter can come to a completely pessimistic scenario: the Assad regime, rescued by Putin, sits on his own piece of divided Syria, retains Damascus and Latakia, and at best Aleppo, there is no longer any talk of restoring a single state.

But after all, the official goal of the intervention is to crush the enemy terrorist before he gets to Russia, which is why our people support it. People who are not well versed in geography think that the army of Islamists can somehow penetrate into Russia (via Turkey, Iran? Is absurd!), Or the militants that our aircraft destroy can come to Moscow and make explosions here. For some reason, they do not think that the explosions have happened before - in Moscow, New York, London, etc. - long before the IG appeared, and there were no bombings, and the murderers were somehow leaking. And the question can be posed: and even in the case of the destruction of the IS manpower, will the militant Islamism movement, powerful, dynamic, attractive for hundreds and thousands of young people (far from Arabs), disappear? I'm afraid that is unlikely. Seeds, thrown by bin Laden, have already borne their poisonous fruits. Those fighters who survive after the war, will return to their countries - wounded, embittered, remembering the buried comrades and seeking revenge for them. To whom? Russia’s victorious enemy, because its role in the defeat of the “caliphate” will be decisive, and this role will not be forgiven by the radical Sunni of all countries, who now call the Russian accomplices Shiites, Persians, Americans and Zionists.

Our naive people believe that bombs will destroy precisely those terrorists who could come to us, blow up and kill. Unfortunately, there are many such suicide bombers in the event of a complete collapse of the IG. Including among those who did not go to war in Syria. The overwhelming majority of Russian Muslims are Sunni, and we cannot know how much the propaganda of Islamists will be among them. The first possible threat is terrorist acts. This is of course the worst option. The second is the gradual deterioration of relations between people professing Islam and the rest, first of all Russians. Islamists will portray the victims of Russian air strikes as martyrs, emphasizing their Sunni religion. Propaganda will sound like this: “Muslims have risen, created a caliphate to erase the traces of centuries of humiliation, and who struck in the back? Russia. The Russians led the Shia camp. They are the enemies of Islam. ”

However, a well-established propaganda mechanism will be able to cope with the situation in any case. If terrorist attacks occur, they will explain to the people that this is only an insignificant part of the mass terror campaign that would have unfolded if most of the IS militants had not died under our bombs. If the operation has to be stopped before the destruction of the Islamic State and Assad retains only Damascus and Latakia, it will be possible to make people understand that after all, our support allowed us to avoid the worst - the capture of all of Syria by terrorists. An absolute advantage of the operation will be the creation of a Russian military base in Syria, the exit of our fleet to the Mediterranean Sea, and finally, the most important, most important thing, is what Russia has shown: it is not only not an isolated outcast on the world stage, but a powerful force that can instantly and radically influence the development of events in any corner of the globe.

If we talk about international resonance, then at first glance it may seem that Russia's readiness to destroy such a universal evil, as the global terrorist network, will dramatically increase its reputation. But since militant Islamism is a powerful movement that has deep roots and is speculating on a specific interpretation of the Koran texts, sacred to all Muslims, no planes or bombs can destroy it. Therefore, the Syrian operation of Russia will not give serious advantages. Moreover, it is at this point that the theses of both Western anti-Putin and extremist Muslim propaganda can coincide.
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  1. corporal
    corporal 7 November 2015 06: 55 New
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    The message of the author is incomprehensible, if it is not possible to completely destroy it, was it not worth starting? So what?
    Even if partial localization is obtained, it’s already a big plus. The main thing is to be kept within certain borders (like Israel with the Gaza Strip)
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 7 November 2015 07: 06 New
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      Quote: Corporal
      The message of the author is incomprehensible, if it is not possible to completely destroy it, was it not worth starting?

      The article is unconvincing. If Assad’s army is so weak and insignificant — HOW did it stand on its own for 4 years of war against Western-backed Islamists? Not only the Alawites, but also Christians, Druze, Kurds, Yezidis, part of the Sunites, are fighting against the SSA and ISIS, and this is a significant force.
      The author says nothing, portraying the Russian campaign in Syria as propaganda for Russian PR. This is a PART of the arduous struggle against international and domestic terrorism.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 7 November 2015 08: 15 New
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        Quote: Aleksander
        The author says nonsense

        All of these “Sunni protests” would not have been possible without support from abroad.
        Well, let down Assad. What will happen? The terrorist international is controlled by Saud. Arabia and, indirectly, the United States.
        The whole Middle East will listen only to Uncle Sam. Sell ​​oil for that price and as much as he says. Well, as an application, a hotbed of terrorism.
        Yes, and a lesson for all countries: they say that the United States ordered Assad, like Gaddafi and others, to leave and hang himself, and he, as he did not tremble, was defeated.
        What, someone doubts who is the boss in the world and how to behave?
        Comrade Mirsky hardly understands this, he just does his job.
        And the Sunnis, they’ve lived nothing for hundreds of years next to the Alvites, Shiites, Armenians, Druze, Kurds, etc. and now they’ll live if specially do not balamute.
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 09: 12 New
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          Quote: Alekseev
          All of these “Sunni protests” would not have been possible without support from abroad.

          Come on, you.
          the embryo of these protests began with the construction by Turkey of dams on the Euphrates (another 8 years ago) and, as a result, the mass destruction of the Sunni peasants and their migration to cities. Well, in the city they were waiting for a frizzy Alawite minority, incredibly enriched as a result of the reforms (economic) of Bashar.
          The Alawites removed all the foams from the Syrian economy, while the Sunnis only got poorer and went bankrupt. And when they went out and asked for their piece of the pie-- the Bashar began to crush these protests. Well, of course, it’s worth remembering the * democratic * elections - when Bashar * was elected * again and everyone understood - nothing will change.
          Quote: Alekseev
          Well, let down Assad. What will happen?

          Sunni in power and a mess in Syria, but with the only difference, there is a mess now, without any prospect of its resolution (while it is in power), with the Sunnis there is at least the prospect of a settlement

          Quote: Alekseev
          The terrorist international is controlled by Saud. Arabia and, indirectly, the United States.
          The whole Middle East will listen only to Uncle Sam. Sell ​​oil for that price and as much as he says

          Oil doesn’t need to be pushed here. In Syria, scanty oil reserves, and indeed, when oil was 100 per barrel (for many years) - was this the desire of the United States? Or how ?

          Quote: Alekseev
          What, someone doubts who is the boss in the world and how to behave?

          Not all processes in the world are controlled externally. it’s very simple to take it.
          If there is no internal support, at least describe yourself - nothing will come of it.
          1. victor
            victor 7 November 2015 11: 07 New
            +2
            How many, in percentage terms, of the Alawites snickering and how many unfortunate Sunnis lived in cities? Maydaun hat ??? Yes dough does not pay everyone. There is no support from the State Department.
            1. victor
              victor 7 November 2015 11: 09 New
              +3
              Sorry, of course, for rudeness ... But a taxi driver, he is also a taxi driver in Somalia ...
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 7 November 2015 11: 07 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Come on, you.

            Okay, you pull the dam. wink
            Everyone was always lacking, even in much richer countries than Syria.
            In Germany, at one time, the role of "overweight Alawites" in the public mind was assigned to Jews ...
            In the East, to campaign for a poor crowd, and even having financial support, there’s nothing to do.
            Arab spring, however. But we must understand that after such a spring there will never be summer with its fat fruits.
            As for oil. The United States and now economically not particularly profitable to bring down the price. But they go for it. Guess why.
            Will there be Alavite or Sunni in Syria?
            Yes, nevermind. If only their heads were not cut. And this can be achieved easily. Up to the separation of the state, if they really do not tolerate each other.
            No need to support a different bastard and everything will fall into place.
            After all, B. Assad (like Gaddafi), Western leaders shook the pen at the time. He was normal for them. And here, after the United States, dramatically transformed.
            What has Assad become different?
          3. Wheel
            Wheel 7 November 2015 11: 36 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Come on, you.
            the germ of these protests began with Turkey's construction of dams on the Euphrates (another 8 years ago)

            Oh, atalef, don’t need to wind spaghetti on the ears of a respectable audience.

            What a vile Turkey!
            Kaaaak built dams, so Tunisia, Egypt and Libya happened at once ... but the truth was with Obama Oblomadze ....
            Quote: atalef
            Oil doesn’t need to be pushed here.
            Pralo! Oil is not necessary!
            It is necessary to push democracy!
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 7 November 2015 12: 04 New
            +5
            The germ of these protests began with the construction by Turkey of dams on Efrat (as far back as 8 years ago) and, as a result, the mass destruction of the Sunni peasants and their migration to cities.


            Those. are the Turks to blame?

            Well, in the city they were waiting for a frizzy Alawite minority, incredibly enriched as a result of Bashar's (economic) reforms.


            Well, in the cities they were waiting for a fat Jewish (or Palestinian) majority (or minority) ...

            And when they went out and asked for their piece of the pie-- the Bashar began to crush these protests.


            Do you have "protests" of the Palestinians do not "crush"?

            And in general, how does your post refute the existence of external funding for the Syrian "opposition"?

            Sunni in power and a mess in Syria, but with the only difference, there is a mess now, without any


            There is a prospect - to stop supporting terrorists. Block the borders of Syria and Iraq and enable government forces to strip all terrorist nests. But the West will not do this. We will not go either, because the West will not give, and there is not enough strength (though, rather, determination) to confront you with the fact.

            Not all processes in the world are controlled externally. it’s very simple to take it.


            Not all, but in Syria - are completely controlled and completely from the outside.

            If there is no internal support, at least describe yourself - nothing will come of it.


            If there had been no internal support, Assad would have been torn apart like Gaddafi.
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 12: 15 New
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              Quote: alicante11
              Those. are the Turks to blame?

              Turks are to blame for the mass impoverishment of Syrian peasants
              On May 15, Turkey completely blocked the flow of water from the Euphrates, as a result of which the water level in the Asad reservoir fell by 6 meters. This process began already 1,5 months ago by order of the Turkish authorities, and now, due to the selection of water resources in Turkey, the wells located in the area of ​​the Syrian settlement of Hafsa are almost empty.

              http://blog.rushydro.ru/?p=3821
              Quote: alicante11
              Well, in the cities they were waiting for a fat Jewish (or Palestinian) majority (or minority) ...

              Well, how can they be attributed to the Jews, Ah? wink
              Quote: alicante11
              Do you have "protests" of the Palestinians do not "crush"?

              In Israel ? Arabs live in Israel no worse than Jews
              Quote: alicante11
              And in general, how does your post refute the existence of external funding for the Syrian "opposition"?

              No, the CCA is funded by the United States. By the Saudis and the West.
              Nothing is clear about ISIS funding sources
              Quote: alicante11
              There is a prospect - to stop supporting terrorists. Block the borders of Syria and Iraq and enable government forces to strip all terrorist nests

              And where are you going to get the local population?
              Quote: alicante11
              Not all, but in Syria - are completely controlled and completely from the outside.

              Well, yes, without the support of Iran and Russia, everything would have been in Syria for a long time

              Quote: alicante11
              If there were no internal support, Assad would have already been torn apart like Gaddafi

              And he would have been torn for a long time without Iran. Hezbollah and Russia.
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 7 November 2015 15: 52 New
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                Well, how can they be attributed to the Jews, Ah? wink


                Yes, I do not ascribe, just an analogy.

                In Israel ? Arabs live in Israel no worse than Jews


                How do I know who you are constantly bombing and who is constantly trying to kill your soldiers.

                And where are you going to get the local population?


                Where did it go before? As soon as the thugs are transferred, they begin to rebuild the economy and infrastructure, the "local population" will love Assad and, rolling up their sleeves, will go to work.

                Well, yes, without the support of Iran and Russia, everything would have been in Syria for a long time


                but without your (West) help, it would not have begun.
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          6. Aleksander
            Aleksander 7 November 2015 12: 34 New
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            If there is no internal support, at least describe yourself - nothing will come of it.


            And I wondered how Sunni snickering Bahrain minority
            successfully presses the Shiite poor majority ?! It turns out that they have an "internal" yes support....
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 12: 54 New
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              Quote: Aleksander
              Quote: atalef
              If there is no internal support, at least describe yourself - nothing will come of it.


              And I wondered how Sunni snickering Bahrain minority
              successfully presses the Shiite poor majority ?! It turns out that they have an "internal" yes support....

              In Bahrain - Saudi Arabia. Just do not equal. in Bahrain, royal power and population are one and a half digger.
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              2. Aleksander
                Aleksander 7 November 2015 14: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Bahrain - Saudi Arabia. Just do not equal. in Bahrain, royal power and population are one and a half digger.


                So all the same external Saudi, and not "internal support." But you say, no way request
                1. atalef
                  7 November 2015 14: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  So all the same external Saudi, and not "internal support." But you say, no way

                  Well, all the same, you should not discount Iran, which provoked the Shiites of Bahrain.
                  Once again I tell you, there is no single rule, but the formula of the revolutionary situation remains constant.
                  In Bahrain, the Shiites also wanted more, they were crushed by the Saudis.
                  But this does not cancel the Shiite's discontent and their struggle. Although if you look at their standard of living, what seemed to be missing?
          7. Russiamoy
            Russiamoy 7 November 2015 16: 34 New
            +4
            Come on, you.
            as a result, the mass ruin of the Sunni peasants and their migration to the cities. Well, in the city they were waiting for a frizzy Alawite minority, incredibly enriched as a result of the reforms (economic) of Bashar.

            come on?. and the fact that Assad's wife is a Sunni. and in the cabinet of ministers - Sunites. you yourself believe that you are lying. and the fact that there are interethnic and interethnic problems in almost any state and the only question is whether the given government hinders some or not.

            The Alawites removed all the foams from the Syrian economy, while the Sunnis only got poorer and went bankrupt.

            and in other countries BV is wrong ?. but the warrior is not there, as long as no one needs them.

            there is a mess even now, without any prospect of its resolution (while it is in power), with the Sunnis there is at least the prospect of a settlement

            yeah. like in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. there is complete- DEMOCRACY.
            It seems to me to speak on this topic is useless. Syria is a zone of clash of geopolitical interests and that’s it. here, everyone understands this.
      2. Taagad
        Taagad 7 November 2015 09: 00 New
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        Do not forget, SSA and ISIS are fighting among themselves
        1. Good me
          Good me 7 November 2015 09: 03 New
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          Quote: Taagad
          Do not forget, SSA and ISIS are fighting among themselves


          Often ?
        2. Aleksander
          Aleksander 7 November 2015 09: 15 New
          +7
          Quote: Taagad
          Do not forget, SSA and ISIS are fighting among themselves


          So Alkaida fought with ISIS. yes And?
          1. Good me
            Good me 7 November 2015 09: 30 New
            +6
            Quote: Aleksander
            So Alkaida fought with ISIS. AND?


            And ... surrendered, to each other fellow
        3. victor
          victor 7 November 2015 11: 19 New
          +6
          Where and when? Specifically! Is it like a Jewish-Polish-loving Bandera fought with nat ... sorry, with fasc ... sorry with valiant es-es-sovtsami ???
          1. atalef
            7 November 2015 11: 27 New
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            Quote: Taagad
            Do not forget, SSA and ISIS are fighting among themselves

            Quote: victor
            Where and when? Specifically! Is it like a Jewish-Polish-loving Bandera fought with nat ... sorry, with fasc ... sorry with valiant es-es-sovtsami ???

            The main fighting force of the Syrian opposition is the Free Syrian Army. The date of its foundation is 2011. The basis of its organization was the deserted officers of the Syrian army. Their official goal is to "destroy the Assad system and regime." Soon after its creation, the organization merged with the Free Officers Movement. The media wrote that about 90% of the army are Sunnis, a small part is Alawites. It is estimated that approximately 15% of the army is Kurds.

            Can the Syrian campaign turn into a big Muslim war for Russia
            On the Assad position
            The Federation Council gave permission to the president to use the army outside of Russia - this time to fight ISIS. So far it is only about Syria ... →
            The free Syrian army aims to be the main “military wing” of the Syrian opposition. At the beginning of summer, its number is estimated from 45 thousand to 60 thousand military personnel. According to the opposition themselves in the media, they are armed with AK-47 machine guns, Degtyarev and RPG-7 machine guns. Especially the Free Syrian Army is experiencing a lack of air support. Because of this, they cannot fully resist government forces. According to other sources, the opposition has other types of weapons (M-16 rifles, army universal rifles, shotguns, etc.). Also, according to the videos on the actions of the Free Syrian Army, the militias possess and heavy equipment seized from government troops.

            SSA considers ISIS to be its enemy, as it imposes its extremist ideology in territories that it seizes, as well as kidnaps and kills other members of the opposition.

            http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2015/09/30_a_7788269.shtml
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              1. atalef
                7 November 2015 14: 44 New
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                Quote: Aleksander
                Quote: atalef
                The SSA considers ISIS to be its enemy, as it imposes its extremist ideology in the territories it seizes, as well as kidnaps and kills other members of the opposition.

                Such enemies, such enemies:

                25 September 2013 years 13 most effective while the military groups of the Syrian rebels were denied support for the National Syrian coalition, broke with the Syrian Free Army (SSA) and formed their own Islamic Alliance military alliance [53]. Its central link has become one of the divisions of al-Qaeda - the Al-Nusra Front (Jabhat al-Nusra) [53]. This Alliance Joins the three largest formations of the SSA - Liva a-Tawhid, Liva al-Islam and Sucor al-Sham and a number of smaller groups. Moreover, they all received direct military assistance from the United States of America[53]. According to The Washington Post, the Islamic coalition at the time of creation covered 75% of all opposition forces [53].

                Even before the creation of the coalition, one of the most combat-ready and large units of the SSA - the 11-I division controlling the city of Raqqa and the eponymous province in the east of the country - joined Jabhat al-Nusra.

                Well, and what do you want to prove to me? that. that part broke away from the SSA and went to Al Nusra 7 So this is a well-known fact. only this in no way makes the SSA their friend.
                If there were friends, there was no need to break away.
            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 7 November 2015 14: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              The SSA considers ISIS to be its enemy, as it imposes its extremist ideology in the territories it seizes, as well as kidnaps and kills other members of the opposition.

              Such enemies, such enemies:

              25 September 2013 years 13 most effective while military groups broke with the Syrian Free Army (SSA) and formed their own Islamic Alliance military alliance [53]. Its central link has become one of the divisions of al-Qaeda - the Al-Nusra Front (Jabhat al-Nusra) [53]. This Alliance Joins the three largest formations of the SSA - Liva a-Tawhid, Liva al-Islam and Sucor al-Sham and a number of smaller groups. Moreover, they all received direct military assistance from the United States of America[53]. According to The Washington Post, the Islamic coalition at the time of creation covered 75% of all opposition forces [53].

              Even before the creation of the coalition, one of the most combat-ready and large units of the SSA - the 11-I division controlling the city of Raqqa and the eponymous province in the east of the country - joined Jabhat al-Nusra.
        4. boris-1230
          boris-1230 7 November 2015 21: 58 New
          0
          Do not forget, SSA and ISIS are fighting among themselves

          And do you believe that? How can fingers of one hand fight with each other? Or do you think all the other idiots? fool
        5. boris-1230
          boris-1230 7 November 2015 21: 58 New
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          Do not forget, SSA and ISIS are fighting among themselves

          And do you believe that? How can fingers of one hand fight with each other? Or do you think all the other idiots? fool
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    3. Good me
      Good me 7 November 2015 07: 30 New
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      Quote: Corporal
      The message of the author is incomprehensible

      Yes, everything is clear, as God's day ...

      The Arab spring in Syria began the same way as elsewhere. The teenagers painted the same words on the walls of the houses: “The people want the regime to fall,” the police dealt with them cruelly, then the protest turned into a riot.


      Opus from the cycle ONE CHILD.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 7 November 2015 07: 36 New
      +9
      Until the Americans stop funding terrorists and block their accounts around the world, this orgy will continue. But apparently American transnational capital is beneficial.
      1. atalef
        7 November 2015 09: 39 New
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        Quote: juborg
        Until the Americans stop funding terrorists and block their accounts around the world, this orgy will continue. But apparently American transnational capital is beneficial.

        Is America funding ISIS? Or al-nusra?
        Stop believing in delirium.
        The only one supported by the USA and the WEST and Saudi Arabia is the SSA
        Al Nusru - Turkey and Qatar
        Who finances ISIS - at the moment no one knows. Although they have enough of their own ways of making money. But, ISIS is (and this is the main thing) - ideology. caught up by the masses in Iraq and Syria, and with popular support everything is much simpler.
        ISIS has today. there is no central military leadership, but there is an IDEOLOGIST and very talented, and by faith - the sponsors always find money
        Remember Savva Morozov - he also believed and sponsored the Bolsheviks, though the revolution later devoured him.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 7 November 2015 12: 13 New
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          Is America funding ISIS? Or al-nusra?


          Your allies are Saudis. But to stop this disgrace, Americans can fly.

          The only one supported by the USA and the WEST and Saudi Arabia is the SSA


          Does she even exist?

          ideology. caught up by the masses in Iraq and Syria, and with popular support everything is much simpler.


          Yeah, that’s probably why they mobilize even children after the beginning of Assad’s offensive in the occupied territories.

          ISIS has today. there is no central military leadership, but there is an IDEOLOGIST and very talented, and by faith - the sponsors always find money


          Without a centralized military leadership, it is simply impossible to fight 4 of the year and seize and control such territory. What does this not only in Syria, but also in Iraq. What do you think, the dumbfounded fanatics themselves heard that in order to deter the onset of the Asadites near Aleppo, it is necessary to launch a counterattack on communication? How many counterattacks were carried out by terrorists only during the onset of the Asadites, this indicates the presence of a firm and consistent leadership. And also about the fact that the strikes of our Air Force could not disrupt the control and communications system.
          1. atalef
            7 November 2015 12: 35 New
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            Quote: alicante11
            Your allies are Saudis.

            Saudis are not our allies. in some areas we have a coincidence of interests
            Quote: alicante11
            Does she even exist?

            Of course, both Putin and Lavrov gave an excellent answer to this by inviting them to the coalition.
            Quote: alicante11
            Yeah, that’s probably why they mobilize even children after the beginning of Assad’s offensive in the occupied territories.

            In general, the mobilization of children is very common in the Arab world and is well supported by their parents.
            Look at Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Nothing new . and parents write with happiness
            Quote: alicante11
            Without a centralized military leadership, it is simply impossible to fight 4 years and seize and control such territory

            As much as possible. Just free. Field commanders and weapons of the sea. Asad’s army is weak and deoralized, it consists mainly of Alawites, who simply do not climb into Sunni areas
            Quote: alicante11
            What does this not only in Syria, but also in Iraq.

            Well, Iraq is generally a separate song. Honor who is in power and who makes up the backbone of the modern Iraqi army, who was before and what areas were suddenly ruled by ISIS
            Quote: alicante11
            What do you think, the dumbfounded fanatics themselves heard that in order to deter the onset of the Asadites near Aleppo, it is necessary to launch a counterattack on communication?

            And then what . some halfwit in SSA. ISIS or Al-Nusra?
            They know how to fight there. how they fought in Chechnya. in Afghanistan or Iraq.
            Quote: alicante11
            How many counterattacks were carried out by terrorists only during the onset of the Asadites, this indicates the presence of a firm and consistent leadership.

            You represent the war in Syria. like front, rear, etc. this is not there. Well, of course, we can talk about some interaction.

            Quote: alicante11
            And also about the fact that the strikes of our Air Force could not disrupt the control and communications system.

            Read how many VKS were bombed. so I'm generally in shock.
            hundreds of fortified areas. hundreds of communications hubs and headquarters, training camps and workshops
            The count of all objects goes to THOUSAND. So what are the poor successes of Assad’s army? Where are the thousands of bandits killed?
            Something here does not grow together. Do not you find?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 7 November 2015 16: 04 New
              +3
              Saudis are not our allies. in some areas we have a coincidence of interests


              So this is the union of the West. As long as interests coincide, we are allies, as soon as interests do not coincide - enemies.

              Of course, both Putin and Lavrov gave an excellent answer to this by inviting them to the coalition.


              Well, so that you got rid of it, that we are bombing someone there, not the right one. Well, let this phantom be with us.

              In general, the mobilization of children is very common in the Arab world and is well supported by their parents.


              Yes, the question is not whether it is common or not common. The question is that there are not enough volunteers, we have to mobilize. What I had the honor of ...

              As much as possible. Just free. Field commanders and weapons of the sea. Asad’s army is weak and deoralized, it consists mainly of Alawites, who simply do not climb into Sunni areas


              No matter how weak the army is, it will gradually clear all field commanders one by one. Because each field commander is stronger. And, since this does not happen, it means that they coordinate their actions and do not allow the army to concentrate forces.

              Well, Iraq is generally a separate song. Honor who is in power and who makes up the backbone of the modern Iraqi army, who was before and what areas were suddenly ruled by ISIS


              Who cares who is in power. I am talking about the army. Unless the power is draining Iraq ISIS, which, however, is not observed.

              And then what . some halfwit in SSA. ISIS or Al-Nusra?
              They know how to fight there. how they fought in Chechnya. in Afghanistan or Iraq.


              That's exactly what there are not idiots. But “fools” need information for the organization of military operations, the field commander has information on his site, but he doesn’t know that he needs to help his neighbor until he says that he is being pressed and that forces from other directions have been removed for this. And this is an interaction - a connection between at least two field commanders. And, since counterattacks are coordinated in the north and south of Syria - this is a centralized command system.

              Something here does not grow together. Do not you find?


              Ess no. And therefore, I never shout "cheers" at the reports of our General Staff. But when the Syrians squeeze out another village, then we can say - “thank God”, or “alla-i-in-bar”. And with this, too, everything is in order. So the work of our Air Force can be evaluated on a solid "five". And planning is four, if it was planned to destroy the terrorist administration and five, if they realized that this was impossible.
        2. His
          His 7 November 2015 12: 29 New
          +5
          There are already quite a few articles in the states themselves, not to mention Germany, where it is clearly said that the United States is protecting its mercenaries, and our operation is from the VKS across their throats. That's the whole opus about the terrible Assad, God grant him health.
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 7 November 2015 12: 32 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          Is America funding ISIS? Or al-nusra? Stop believing in delirium. The only one supported by the USA and the WEST and Saudi Arabia is the SSA Al Nusra - Turkey and Qatar. Nobody knows who finances ISIS. Although they have enough of their own ways of making money. But, ISIS is (and this is the main thing) - ideology. caught up by the masses in Iraq and Syria, and with popular support everything is much simpler.

          Who buys oil from them at $ 15-20 per barrel, that finances. And who this buyer is, I think this is not such a big secret, if you ventilate the data of the AIS international automatic identification system, which clearly shows oil tankers. It seems to me that the main buyers will be the Turks, the British and the Americans. At the very least, it is difficult to explain the growth of oil reserves in the United States at the closure of drilling rigs and a drop in the rate of shale oil production.
          But the intervention of the Russian Federation in resolving the issue of ISIS, really destroys the created scheme of the United States and others like it, for profit and pressure on the oil price downward. Hence the cries and snot from the "champions of democracy and human rights."
          1. atalef
            7 November 2015 12: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            he buys oil from them at $ 15-20 per barrel, and he finances.

            Turkey
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            if you ventilate the data of the international automatic identification system AIS, which clearly shows oil tankers

            Tankers? belay From which port is ISIS loading oil? I thought the oil tankers were driving it. Although let's be honest, ISIS mining is not great.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            It seems to me that the main buyers will be the Turks, the British and the Americans. At the very least, it is difficult to explain the growth of oil reserves in the United States at the closure of drilling rigs and a drop in the rate of shale oil production.

            Well, it’s hard to come up with a bigger tale. according to the most optimistic forecasts, ISIL produces 0.02% of the world daily oil production
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 7 November 2015 19: 04 New
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              Tankers? From which port is ISIS loading oil? I thought the oil tankers were driving it. Although let's be honest, ISIS mining is not great.

              From which port?))) Yes, it is clear from which, from Turkish. Oil carriers drive to the border with Turkey. True, not everyone is reaching, some Kurds are scorching, for which probably the Turks are trying to take the Syrian “Kurdistan” under their control.
            2. andj61
              andj61 7 November 2015 19: 18 New
              +4
              Quote: atalef
              Tankers? From which port is ISIS loading oil? I thought the oil tankers were driving it. Although let's be honest, ISIS mining is not great.

              Today on TV we showed a brand new oil pipeline from Syria (Rakka) to Turkey - plastic pipes with a diameter of about 500 mm, laid directly on the ground. So you can transport not only fuel trucks! fellow
              Quote: atalef
              according to the most optimistic forecasts, ISIL produces 0.02% of the world daily oil production

              There is an old economic law: when demand grows during the month by only 10% (excluding seasonal and planned demand growth), the price of the product doubles. With a 10% drop in demand, the price of a product falls by a third (but, as a rule, not lower than the cost).
              So these percentages will play a role. But I doubt very much that
              ISIS-controlled oil makes up the same 0,02% of global oil production. In my opinion, there will be more. In addition, it should be considered not from world production, but from oil offered on the world market - this is more fair, and even better - from the amount of oil consumed by Turkey. Immediately, the beneficiary will also become economically clear.
              Hello Alexander! hi
              1. atalef
                7 November 2015 19: 56 New
                -2
                Quote: andj61
                Today on TV we showed a brand new oil pipeline from Syria (Rakka) to Turkey - plastic pipes with a diameter of about 500 mm, laid directly on the ground. So you can transport not only fuel trucks!

                Hi Andrew
                It’s strange why they still haven’t bombed him.
                And the fact that all the oil goes to Turkey is known

                Quote: andj61
                There is an old economic law: when demand grows during the month by only 10% (excluding seasonal and planned demand growth), the price of the product doubles. With a 10% drop in demand, the price of a product drops by a third (but, as a rule, not lower than the cost)

                Of course, in the overall price structure, it is an overabundance of oil that plays a role in lowering the price.
                But if you look at it realistically, with or without ISIS, this oil would swing (and swing even more) - so that the amount of oil on the market would not decrease.
                We are not talking about the fact that ISIS has developed new fields, it exploits the old and well-known.
                Of course dumping plays a role, but volumes are small to play a catastrophic fall in prices.
                Then the question still arises: ISIS oil fields are not camels walking in the desert, their places are well known, why haven’t the bomb been bombed yet? 2 factors would play - a decrease in production volumes - hence an increase in oil prices
                2. Undermining the ISIS financial base
                This is a question that someone must answer.


                Quote: andj61
                Immediately, the beneficiary will also become economically clear.

                So I'm talking about who benefits that the oil fields work? And why the videoconferencing system (I understand perfectly well that they seem to get target designations from the General Staff of Syria). but it seems like there is a focal point in Iraq (Iraq, Russia, Iran) - so why aren’t they bombed?
                1. andj61
                  andj61 7 November 2015 20: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  It’s strange why they still haven’t bombed him.

                  A story covered in darkness! bully Here the bridge over the Euphrates - one of the most important elements of the infrastructure for supplying the militants - only ours were recently bombed, and then neatly - not to the dust, but from the edge, apparently, it was easier to restore! wink And the light elves did not touch him during the year of bombing! crying
                  But for some reason no one dares to touch the oil fields. request
                  The agreement, apparently, is this - you play there, bomb, but so that serious uncles do not interfere with making money! yes In another way, explaining this - reasonably - is not possible. Therefore, all parties are silent about the fact of inviolability of the oil fields. winked
                  1. atalef
                    7 November 2015 20: 14 New
                    +3
                    Quote: andj61
                    But for some reason no one dares to touch the oil fields.
                    The agreement, apparently, is this - you play there, bomb, but so that serious uncles do not interfere with making money! In another way, explaining this - reasonably - is not possible. Therefore, all parties are silent about the fact of inviolability of the oil fields.

                    Otozh wink
                    Does it not remind you of Libya? Which it’s like everyone bombed, and oil swayed and swayed. And oil pipelines worked and tankers were shipped.
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 7 November 2015 20: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: atalef
                      Does it not remind you of Libya? Which it’s like everyone bombed, and oil swayed and swayed. And oil pipelines worked and tankers were shipped.

                      One to one! good
                  2. Absurdidat
                    Absurdidat 7 November 2015 20: 22 New
                    +1
                    Erdogan’s son is responsible for the igil oil and the margin is shot, who will reap it ... it’s not theirs, in the presidential circles it is not accepted to ruin family businesses ...
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 7 November 2015 08: 24 New
      13
      The article is stuffed, it will not work to sow the seeds of doubt, Putin just does not start things.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 7 November 2015 10: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        The article is stuffed, it will not work to sow the seeds of doubt, Putin just does not start things.

        You are most likely right about Putin. He has both the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (to monitor the internal freeloaders), and the General Staff and the Foreign Ministry. And Mirsky has “his sources” and frequent broadcasting is not “Echo of Moscow”. The question is complicated with the author. There is a discrepancy between what is happening with his life position, probably. It rose in the wake of perestroika, and here the USA is again an enemy that does not fit its concept. Yes, and they can ask for a post, but then he made an article, it seems like they were not touched, freedom of speech and pluralism.
    6. Civil
      Civil 7 November 2015 08: 37 New
      +2
      The placement of such an article suggests that the ground is being felt for the withdrawal of the air forces from Syria, this article does not say anything else.
      1. atalef
        7 November 2015 08: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: Civil
        The placement of such an article suggests that the ground is being felt for the withdrawal of the air forces from Syria, this article does not say anything else.

        I don’t think it’s necessary to look for an order of power in each article.
        This is a real view of things and what is happening in Syria.
        Civil war with a powerful religious component.
        1. tomket
          tomket 7 November 2015 10: 02 New
          +6
          Quote: atalef
          Civil war with a powerful religious component.

          The only question is who introduced this powerful religious component? There was an interview with a Syrian student who shared his experiences - for years they lived peacefully and amicably and literally a day later literally from all the media poured Shiites, Sunnis, Alawites, Christians ... An external influence did take place.
          1. atalef
            7 November 2015 10: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: tomket
            The only question is who introduced this powerful religious component?

            The confrontation of Shiite Sunnis has always been. then Iran began to export the Islamic revolution, and this introduced straining into the Sunni world, and especially Saudi Arabia.
            Well and then - (if in Syria) of course Assad.

            Quote: tomket
            There was an interview with a Syrian student who shared his experiences - for years they lived peacefully and amicably and literally a day later literally from all the media poured Shiites, Sunnis, Alawites, Christians.

            Of course, what do you think?
            remember Azerbaijan - Armenia. Tajiks - Meskhitins Turks, Ukraine - Russia. Serbs-Croats. Hutu - Tootsie.
            Contradictions accumulated over the years. no one taxed them. and then when it has reached its climax, there will always be those who bring the ideological base under it.
            The protests in Syria for a year and a half were absolutely secular in nature, but as the confrontation intensified, an ideological base was required. well off.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 7 November 2015 12: 18 New
          +5
          Civil war with a powerful religious component.


          This is not a civil war. This is a struggle of a healthy secular society with external aggression, covered by the actions of religious fanatics.
          I am far from the idea that everything was fine in Syria. As in any capitalist society, in Syria there were a lot of problems. But, by the way, as in Libya, the majority of the population was quite satisfied with the situation. That is why the backbone of terrorist gangs in Syria are mercenaries.
          1. atalef
            7 November 2015 12: 38 New
            -3
            Quote: alicante11
            This is not a civil war.

            And what?
            Quote: alicante11
            This is a struggle of a healthy secular society with external aggression, covered by the actions of religious fanatics.


            Hezbollah. Iran and Assad - Healthy Secular Society? Do not explain to me. where have you gone in secular Syria. all these healthy secular forces and why they do not fight for Assad?
            Quote: alicante11
            I am far from the idea that everything was fine in Syria. As in any capitalist society, in Syria there were a lot of problems. But, by the way, as in Libya, the majority of the population was quite satisfied with the situation.

            In Syria? You laugh, the problems in Syria were an order of magnitude worse than in Libya
            Quote: alicante11
            That is why the backbone of terrorist gangs in Syria are mercenaries.

            C'mon, don't drive. There would be mercenaries. Russia and Iran. they would have long been outbid.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 7 November 2015 16: 09 New
              +2
              Hezbollah. Iran and Assad - Healthy Secular Society? Do not explain to me. where have you gone in secular Syria. all these healthy secular forces and why they do not fight for Assad?


              Hezbollah and Iran are external players, just like you. Only fight on the other side. A healthy secular society is Syria Asadov.

              In Syria? You laugh, the problems in Syria were an order of magnitude worse than in Libya


              Clear day. Assad did not have oil surplus profits Murmurych. But Murmurych threw everything and the money did not help him, and Assad had a proverb, there weren’t a hundred rubles, but his friends didn’t throw it.


              C'mon, don't drive. There would be mercenaries. Russia and Iran. they would have long been outbid.


              C'mon, where do we go with our "gas station" and Iran under sanction to your printing press ...
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 7 November 2015 12: 14 New
        +3
        The placement of such an article suggests that the ground is being felt for the withdrawal of the air forces from Syria, this article does not say anything else.


        This article is a personal hit on the GDP, which "pushed us" into the Syrian "adventure." Only in this way can it be understood.
    7. atalef
      7 November 2015 08: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Corporal
      The message of the author is incomprehensible, if it is not possible to completely destroy it, was it not worth starting? So what?
      Even if partial localization is obtained, it’s already a big plus. The main thing is to be kept within certain borders (like Israel with the Gaza Strip)

      But how do you keep it? Russia and the border do not have a joint, and Syria will be more of Gaza, I'm not talking about the border with Iraq
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 7 November 2015 08: 52 New
        -5
        Russia has no joint border, and Syria will be more than Gaza

        Many “sub-patriots” think that Syria is slightly larger than their summer cottage, and getting to it is the same as getting to that summer cottage.
        1. Good me
          Good me 7 November 2015 09: 11 New
          +6
          Quote: razgildyay
          Many “sub-patriots” think that Syria is slightly larger than their summer cottage, and getting to it is the same as getting to that summer cottage.


          I would not be so categorical ...


          As practice shows, THE WORLD IS CLOSE, AND THE BALL ROUND ... yes
    8. Taagad
      Taagad 7 November 2015 08: 50 New
      -17
      Worldly handsome. Thank you VO for a sensible, adequate article, I hope that this will again become a tradition.
      1. Good me
        Good me 7 November 2015 09: 08 New
        17
        Quote: Taagad
        Worldly handsome. Thank you VO for a sensible, adequate article, I hope that this will again become a tradition.


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        This is when, you, "site traditions", had time to "penetrate"? laughing
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 7 November 2015 09: 50 New
          +7
          This is when, you, "site traditions", had time to "penetrate"?
          So this is because he apparently is his own, IZottuda!
          You can even see how “they” protect and admire his article!
          Although the trick is noticeable in the article - at first, such as a general plan with terrorizing the Russians by terror, senselessness and even negative sense of the Russian air interference, and then: well, maybe it’s necessary,
          a well-established propaganda mechanism will be able to cope with the situation in any case.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 7 November 2015 10: 08 New
            +4
            Although the trick is noticeable in the article - at first, such as a general plan with the fear of the Russians terror, meaninglessness and even the negative meaning of Russian air intervention, and then: well, maybe it’s necessary

            I have a friend he always has about the same conversation - about anything! “I’m thinking, maybe it’s necessary like this? Although on the other hand, it’s probably not necessary, but if you can figure it out, why not? It’s not so difficult, but it’s very difficult, so I’d better look for a while, maybe later, though ... you what do you think? I - in any way, while I am wondering, if anything - it’s possible, but not now wassat
            1. Good me
              Good me 7 November 2015 10: 32 New
              +6
              Quote: Yuyuka
              I have a friend he always has about the same conversation - about anything! “I’m thinking, maybe it’s necessary like this? Although on the other hand, it’s probably not necessary, but if you can figure it out, why not? It’s not so difficult, but it’s very difficult, so I’d better look for a while, maybe later, though ... you what do you think? I - in any way, while I am wondering, if anything - it’s possible, but not now

              Do you know Klitschko? belay
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 7 November 2015 16: 54 New
                +1
                not ... probably with his brother ... although his surname is different and he lives in Russia ... or is it a clone ?? belay they go ... they are cyborgs! (c) wassat
        2. Taagad
          Taagad 7 November 2015 11: 40 New
          0
          I read materials without being registered
          1. Good me
            Good me 7 November 2015 12: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: Taagad
            I read materials without being registered


            So am I, too ... fellow

            Then maybe a colleague, share information, when exactly, in what period, the site ceased to meet the strict criteria presented by you?
            1. Taagad
              Taagad 7 November 2015 15: 07 New
              0
              The last six months. Minimum analytical, historical and professional articles on military topics
              A maximum of articles in the style of "enemies around", "the American military budget for cutting," and of course "hooray hooray"
      2. Wheel
        Wheel 7 November 2015 11: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Taagad
        Worldly handsome. Thank you VO for a sensible, adequate article, I hope that this will again become a tradition.
        Have you met a relative?
    9. alecsis69
      alecsis69 10 November 2015 02: 23 New
      +1
      The message is clear. No need to intervene anywhere, you need to sit in a corner under a broom, and big smart uncles, the USA, for example, will figure it out themselves.
    10. Wellych
      Wellych 11 November 2015 07: 53 New
      0
      Everything is clear there after the words - As I wrote in NG (Novaya Gazeta), this is where Akhedzhakova finds out what she thinks.

      The author sees only the military component of the conflict. Politics is a continuation of the economy. The military conflict between Assad and Igil is a projection of the conflict between the Russian Federation + Iran and the CA + Qatar.
    11. marinier
      marinier 19 November 2015 19: 55 New
      0
      Statia is pretentious, angasized and not objective
  2. Grbear
    Grbear 7 November 2015 06: 57 New
    13
    Some kind of swamp gurgle with the release of miasma. no
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 7 November 2015 07: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: GrBear
      Some kind of swamp gurgle with the release of miasma. no


      You were not mistaken, it’s enough to read on the WIKI who is Georgy Ilyich Mirsky.
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  4. State Department Agent
    State Department Agent 7 November 2015 07: 01 New
    -3
    Competent article. It is clear that the zombies are now grieving about Putin's infallibility, but with idiotic actions, Russia has plunged into ****. And Assad is doomed.
  5. venaya
    venaya 7 November 2015 07: 05 New
    +5
    To stop the bombing means to leave the Syrian army to its mercy

    And it is not necessary to stop anything too late. But looking for options to continue will be much more useful. The first is to increase the number of your supporters as much as possible. True, this is a lengthy process, but is there really a reason for rushing.
    1. Good me
      Good me 7 November 2015 09: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      And it is not necessary to stop anything too late. But looking for options to continue will be much more useful.


      Speaking exclusively about the prospects of our contingent, it seems that the publication of data on the crash of the Kogalym Avia aircraft can somewhat "expand" the scope of its application.

      It doesn’t “let go” of the hunch that “MJ” with the cessation of flights with Egypt, and the leak of information about the explosion on board, is not casual ...

      And the consequences are not long in coming.
  6. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 7 November 2015 07: 11 New
    +6
    ISIS has shown itself to be the enemy of the rest of civilization, and there should be only one conclusion: If you can’t convince him to abandon his ideas, then it remains only to defeat him by force of arms ...
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 November 2015 07: 13 New
    17
    The author is a liberal of pure water. I don’t even want to comment on this “work”. Russia flew to Syria, not because the left heel of the GDP was combed, but because otherwise in the territory of Syria (and partly, Iraq), a STATE would have arisen with the ideology of medieval Sharia, and with the technologies of modern civilization. And many of the now supportive people would recognize him. Russia intervened literally at the last moment, a little more, and Syria, as a secular multiconfessional state, would cease to exist! The consequences of this would be far more global than any options for a real development of events.
    1. Taagad
      Taagad 7 November 2015 08: 55 New
      -12
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The author is a liberal of pure water. I don’t even want to comment on this “work”. Russia flew to Syria, not because the left heel of the GDP was combed, but because otherwise in the territory of Syria (and partly, Iraq), a STATE would have arisen with the ideology of medieval Sharia, and with the technologies of modern civilization. And many of the now supportive people would recognize him. Russia intervened literally at the last moment, a little more, and Syria, as a secular multiconfessional state, would cease to exist! The consequences of this would be far more global than any options for a real development of events.



      The closest ally and neighbor of Russia is Iran, a medieval Sharia state with the ideology of exporting the Islamic revolution and nuclear technology. And really much more dangerous for Russia. Would you like to send a "limited contingent" there to change this situation?
      1. atalef
        7 November 2015 09: 00 New
        -10
        Quote: Taagad
        And really much more dangerous for Russia. Would you like to send a "limited contingent" there to change this situation?

        Well, just recently, there was a conversation that the VKS would bomb ISIS in Iraq.
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 10 New
        11
        As one American president said about one pro-American butcher with his hands to the elbow in blood, “of course he is a bastard, but this is OUR bastard.” Russia has no complaints against Iran. If Israel has, these are the problems of Israel. And as for the medieval state with nuclear technology - do you happen to recall who brought nuclear technology into the medieval state? I’ll hint - such a starry, so striped, such a best friend of Israel ....
        1. tomket
          tomket 7 November 2015 10: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          such a best friend of Israel ....

          Pakistan???
      3. Good me
        Good me 7 November 2015 10: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Taagad
        The closest ally and neighbor of Russia is Iran, a medieval Sharia state with the ideology of exporting the Islamic revolution and nuclear technology.


        Actually, the same is true about us (Russia), your friend and patron - the United States ...

        Epithets, from the "savage with a nuclear club" to the "evil empire" (from the latter: "regional power", "gas station") ...

        Here is just one "comrade" who compared us to a "colossus with feet of clay" in the Landfill of History, and we, "floundering" ...

        DO NOT EXCEED, IN YOUR PRIDE, AND WILL NOT BE DESTROYED.
      4. Wheel
        Wheel 7 November 2015 11: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Taagad
        The closest ally and neighbor of Russia is Iran, a medieval Sharia state with the ideology of exporting the Islamic revolution and nuclear technology. And really much more dangerous for Russia.

        Why is he so dangerous for Russia?
        Explain to the ignorant ...
        1. Taagad
          Taagad 7 November 2015 15: 12 New
          +1
          Iran is a country with an extremist Shiite ideology of "exporting the Islamic revolution", a neighbor of Russia, a country in which the Soviet Union was called the "great Satan", a country developing nuclear weapons and intercontinental delivery vehicles, a country that will throw huge quantities of cheap on the world market in a few months oil and gas and thereby inflict a severe blow to the Russian economy.
          1. Wheel
            Wheel 7 November 2015 15: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Taagad
            Iran is a country with extremist Shiite ideology of "export of the Islamic revolution", Russia's neighbor

            And how sideways does this threaten Russia?
            In Russia, Shiites are one and a half people, if Che.
            Quote: Taagad
            in which the Soviet Union was called the "Great Satan"
            Where is that union?
            Quote: Taagad
            a country developing nuclear weapons and intercontinental delivery vehicles,
            Israel has long developed both nuclear weapons and delivery vehicles.
            And what?
            Quote: Taagad
            which in a few months will throw huge quantities of cheap oil and gas onto the world market and thereby inflict a severe blow to the Russian economy.

            Quote: Taagad
            which in a few months will throw huge quantities of cheap oil and gas onto the world market and thereby inflict a severe blow to the Russian economy.
            Are you sure?
            Something tells me that no one will rush to the crowd in Iran for oil and gas.
          2. Russiamoy
            Russiamoy 7 November 2015 17: 24 New
            +1
            well and good. the level of oil under-states had to go long ago.
          3. andj61
            andj61 7 November 2015 19: 36 New
            +3
            Quote: Taagad
            Iran is a country with an extremist Shiite ideology of "exporting the Islamic revolution", a neighbor of Russia, a country in which the Soviet Union was called the "Great Satan", a country

            You are not right: stop The ayatollahs called the United States the "great Satan," and the USSR called the "Small Satan!" yes
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 19: 57 New
              0
              Quote: andj61
              Quote: Taagad
              Iran is a country with an extremist Shiite ideology of "exporting the Islamic revolution", a neighbor of Russia, a country in which the Soviet Union was called the "Great Satan", a country

              You are not right: stop The ayatollahs called the United States the "great Satan," and the USSR called the "Small Satan!" yes

              Well then there was no Putin wink
      5. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 7 November 2015 14: 17 New
        +5
        Well, if you argue like that ... Israel is generally a radical sect. And weapons there, not a few including nuclear. And about the export of radicalism, there’s no point in saying- DIRECT THREAT TO ALL MANKIND!
        Well? Try to refute. laughing
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 14: 21 New
          -4
          Quote: Observer 33
          if you reason like this ... Israel is generally a radical sect

          A radical sect? Go to Wiki and ask about the meaning of words

          Quote: Observer 33
          . And about the export of radicalism, there’s no point in saying- DIRECT THREAT TO ALL MANKIND, Well? Try disproved

          We do not export radicalism.
          Refuted. hi
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 7 November 2015 15: 12 New
            +4
            Weakly, unconvincingly ... Vicki, compared to me in terms of interpretations and meanings, is resting. And the words, the very ones ... Those that are necessary hi
          2. Wheel
            Wheel 7 November 2015 15: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            We do not export radicalism.

            Pranally, creepingly expanding ... repeat
          3. andj61
            andj61 7 November 2015 19: 38 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            We do not export radicalism.

            Of course you do not export whatand import! recourse hi
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 19: 58 New
              0
              Quote: andj61
              Quote: atalef
              We do not export radicalism.

              Of course you do not export whatand import! recourse hi

              All in a family laughing
      6. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 7 November 2015 17: 22 New
        +3
        But the ally of the United States, Saudi Arabia is an example of a developed civilization and super-democracy.
      7. andj61
        andj61 7 November 2015 19: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: Taagad
        The closest ally and neighbor of Russia is Iran, a medieval Sharia state with the ideology of exporting the Islamic revolution and nuclear technology. And really much more dangerous for Russia. Would you like to send a "limited contingent" there to change this situation?

        Iran Russia is never an ally, and not a very neighbor, in any case, not a neighbor, there is no common border. And in reality, it is not dangerous for Russia: in Russia there is no basis for promoting Shiism - according to surveys at the turn of 2007-2008, only 5-6% (but not more than 10% - in any case) of the population are Muslims, and over 90% of Muslims are Sunnis .
        Iran and Russia have only a certain coincidence of interests at a certain historical stage - nothing more.
        In the same way, Israel now has common interests with Saudi Arabia regarding confrontation with Iran. So - do you think the Saudis will not take the opportunity to destroy or at least weaken Israel, if, of course, this opportunity is provided?
        Here Russia with Israel - if we discard old children's grievances - there is definitely nothing to share! yes
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2015 07: 14 New
    10
    it is at this point that the theses of both Western anti-Putin and extremist Muslim propaganda can coincide.

    The author’s article fully coincides with these “theses” and is aimed at discrediting Russia's actions in Syria.
    And I want to say one thing to the Agent of the State Department user - what then are you doing on the site, if for you the opinion of normal people is a zombie scream?
  9. Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 7 November 2015 07: 40 New
    +7
    This wise author is a little crazy! There are no terrorists in Syria, but there is an irregular US army called ISIS, which nightmares the governments of the Middle East that are objectionable to the US.
  10. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 7 November 2015 07: 45 New
    +5
    The author "often acts as a guest expert at the Echo of Moscow radio station (just one line from the Wiki).
  11. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 7 November 2015 07: 46 New
    +7
    Another Jew for housewives and aligofrens tricked the horror story.
    Assumptions are the mother of all mistakes. Only an accurate calculation is taken into account!
    Deserved minus.
  12. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 7 November 2015 07: 55 New
    +4
    The purpose of the article is to denigrate Russia's foreign policy in the Middle East. And this is the main point. The rest of verbiage is only for fog and dust.
  13. asiat_61
    asiat_61 7 November 2015 08: 04 New
    +4
    In my opinion, an article for "EAR." The rest will be expressed without me, the printed words end.
  14. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 7 November 2015 08: 27 New
    +7
    According to Mirsky it turns out that you need to sit and not rock the boat, wait for ISIS with your allies to come to your house. Is it even better to obey the United States?
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 08: 31 New
      -4
      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      According to Mirsky it turns out that you need to sit and not rock the boat, wait for ISIS with your allies to come to your house. Is it even better to obey the United States?

      And why ISIS - were supposed to come to Russia like this automatically? After all, the Taliban did not come, but ISIS somehow has a dozen other states along the way to Russia.
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 13 New
        +8
        You know how to calm :) Why should iGil automatically come to Russia? Mmm ... Let me think ... Maybe because you and the Americans will do everything for it?
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 09: 33 New
          -3
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          You know how to calm :) Why should iGil automatically come to Russia? Mmm ... Let me think ... Maybe because you and the Americans will do everything for it?

          Or maybe this is what they load you up to, and do you believe in it?
          It seems to me that ISIS at first should be confused by the presence of Israel (on the way to Russia 0 and the border is near, and universal respect and respect in the Arab world will be ensured for him, and somehow you can really fight at all.
          And against Russia as ISIS is going to fight (in your opinion).
          The attacks Thousands of people are not required to organize them, motivation is required, and Russia, having entered the war on the side of Shiite-Alawites, created a wonderful motivation for this.
          In general, someone fits into the head - Christians-Shiites-Alawites --- bomb faithful Muslims (such propaganda is now in the Islamic world).
          The consequences to predict?
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 10: 43 New
            10
            My friend, we already tried to be friends with America, in the 90s. How it ended - an attempt to quickly and ruthlessly colonize the country, with the transformation of us into slaves. Those who were present at this time interval will never fall in love with the United States, only if for the money these liberal lovers are called liberal lovers with those who love venal love. If America then behaved differently, the world would be different now. But everything happened as it happened. America is doing you well, you are standing for it, I understand. She did nothing good to us, does not and will not do to us, I hope for your understanding in this matter. Answering your question - why isn’t Gil attacking Israel first? And why the Arabs still have not united and have not made seven million Israel into the American deserts with their billion? That's right, the USA does not. Here is the answer.
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 10: 51 New
              -7
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              My friend, we already tried to be friends with America, in the 90s. How it ended - an attempt to quickly and ruthlessly colonize the country, with turning us into slaves

              These were the years of the highest rise in Russia. both in terms of living standards and state revenues
              Well, about the slaves - he laughed. Well. how are you not friends now - slavery has disappeared?
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              America is doing good for you, you are standing for it, I understand

              America does good to us. Everything has pros and cons.
              In my understanding, there are a lot of minuses, but there are a couple of three pluses that, in general, introduce a certain balance in a positive direction
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              Answering your question - why isn’t Gil attacking Israel first? And why the Arabs still have not united and have not made seven million Israel into the American deserts with their billion? That's right, the USA does not. Here is the answer.

              USA does not give? laughing
              Well, well.
              1. Mikhail Krapivin
                Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 11: 01 New
                +6
                And who has propaganda in their heads ?;) Do you still seriously think that we are marching here and are counting on the first or second every minute? Do not bother, there will be more freedom in Russia than in many "civilized" countries. Try to talk with a policeman "for life" in the USA, he will arrest you at best, and shoot you at worst. And with our bastards it is easy, and no one will drag anyone into the jail. And so in almost everything.
                1. atalef
                  7 November 2015 11: 06 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  And who has propaganda in their heads ?;

                  You
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  Do you still seriously think that we are marching here and are counting on the first or second every minute?

                  No, and Mirsky’s article proves this.
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  Do not bother, there will be more freedom in Russia than in many "civilized" countries.

                  What countries have you been to?
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  Try to talk with a policeman "for life" in the USA, he will arrest you at best, and shoot you at worst.

                  Watching. what do you mean in the expression * for life *, just about life. talked more than once.
                  And here * for life * - will shoot and correctly.
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  And with our bastards it is easy, and no one will drag anyone into the jail. And so in almost everything.

                  Mix mess and the rule of law - clear.
                  1. Mikhail Krapivin
                    Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 11: 13 New
                    +5
                    In several European countries was, if you are interested. Mix mess and rule of law is the official US policy, what surprises you?
                    1. atalef
                      7 November 2015 11: 18 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                      In several European countries was, if you are interested. Mix mess and rule of law is the official US policy, what surprises you?

                      Have you been to the USA?
                      1. Mikhail Krapivin
                        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 11: 47 New
                        +4
                        Thank you, you’re better off with us. We have a policeman and it would never occur to shoot children.

                        http://ria.ru/world/20151105/1314229239.html
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 7 November 2015 12: 26 New
                +7
                These were the years of the highest rise in Russia. both in terms of living standards and state revenues


                Are you serious? 90s are years of rising living standards? Well, if only you are talking about the oligarchs and their sixes. Well, there are too few of them to speak of them as Russia. But with regard to the income of the city government - so generally by. I will not ask you to compare the figures of budget revenues and expenditures now, in 90 and in 80. Probably, the state delayed salaries of state employees and pensions from large revenues.
                1. atalef
                  7 November 2015 12: 58 New
                  -3
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Are you serious? 90 years - these are years of rising living standards?

                  I wrote the 2000s, or is it bad with the understanding of what is written?
                  1. 33 Watcher
                    33 Watcher 7 November 2015 14: 31 New
                    +4
                    No, it's bad with the chronology of the Russian-American "friendship" yes
                  2. alicante11
                    alicante11 7 November 2015 16: 11 New
                    +3
                    My friend, we have already tried to be friends with America, in 90. How it ended - an attempt to quickly and ruthlessly colonize the country, with turning us into slaves

                    These were the years of the highest rise in Russia . both in terms of living standards and state revenues


                    Sorry, but if you think 90 is 2000, then I definitely don’t understand you.
                2. Russiamoy
                  Russiamoy 7 November 2015 17: 31 New
                  +1
                  if Atalef said it out loud in our street, he would have been erased in a powder in a moral and physical way, and in any city.
                  ps in 99g. a teacher at the university received 290 p. and today-26tr
              3. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 7 November 2015 14: 28 New
                0
                Do you know about my standard of living too?
              4. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 8 November 2015 00: 15 New
                +1
                These were the years of the highest rise in Russia. both in terms of living standards and state revenues

                damn, I want to "thank" for these years according to Talkov - "we would all who expressed gratitude with what - a collective farmer with a thresher, a worker with a sickle!" The "high rise" of the shuttle business and people with carts, empty workshops, looted equipment - you go like in films about the war — papers, abandoned chairs on the floor, idle sewage ... And the "enriched" state in the face of a bunch of bastards "bought up" for vouchers all the riches of the country ... I beg you - do not make me viciously memories of the great rise of poverty of the 90shi
          2. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 7 November 2015 14: 25 New
            +3
            Here is the failure of a friend. You are our dear! Scorch ... Scatter out of the blue. Chopped Mossad laughing
            Indeed, in the first place, ISIS should have been confused by the presence of Israel! Amen! But ... But, did not bother. And why? Or maybe because you can not spit in the hand with which you feed? AND?
            Come on, blow my goyo logic laughing
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 14: 45 New
              -1
              Quote: Observer 33
              Indeed, in the first place, ISIS should have been confused by the presence of Israel! Amen! But ... But, did not bother. And why? Or maybe because you can not spit in the hand with which you feed? AND?

              So he doesn’t bother Luxembourg with Belarus either - does that mean they feed from them?
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 7 November 2015 15: 16 New
                +4
                For the American level, the logic of norms. And you, do not disgrace.
          3. andj61
            andj61 7 November 2015 19: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            It seems to me that ISIS at first should be confused by the presence of Israel (on the way to Russia 0 and the border is near, and universal respect and respect in the Arab world will be ensured for him, and somehow you can really fight at all.

            Something the Jordanian Khattab - and a bunch of other Arabs - arrived to fight for the glory of Allah and for the imposition of Wahhabism in Russia, and were not satisfied with Israel. what Yes, and not only inside Russia, but also in Central Asia, where we regularly receive guest workers - there is also a basis for the spread of radical Islam of the Sunni sense. And to fight in the open - this is not at all what to kill people in quiet and terrorist acts.
            So, in any case, Russia will not remain aloof. Enough of the Wahhabis and Salafis for both Russia and Israel.
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 20: 04 New
              -2
              Quote: andj61
              Something the Jordanian Khattab - and a bunch of other Arabs - arrived to fight for the glory of Allah and for the imposition of Wahhabism in Russia, and were not satisfied with Israel.

              I do not say that they do not come or did not come. But the main motivation in their behavior, and having climbed into Syria, Russia increased it at times

              Quote: andj61
              Yes, and not only inside Russia, but also in Central Asia, where we regularly receive guest workers - there is also a basis for the spread of radical Islam of the Sunni sense.

              Of course, but are you sure that having defeated ISIS, solve this problem? I have one question, they drove ISIS out of Syria, they just returned to Iraq, the problem disappeared - no. You will bomb Iraq - no. ISIS’s motivation to attack Russia has increased - YES.
              Where is the solution to the problem?
              Quote: andj61
              So, in any case, Russia will not remain aloof. Enough of the Wahhabis and Salafis for both Russia and Israel.

              This one is understandable, we solve problems simply differently.
              1. andj61
                andj61 7 November 2015 20: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                I do not say that they do not come or did not come. But the main motivation in their behavior, and having climbed into Syria, Russia increased it at times

                It is unlikely to increase. This is an ideology - and it will be spread by any means. Ours, or Central Asians, will come to us. Arabs will be only cashiers ...
                Quote: atalef
                Of course, but are you sure that having defeated ISIS, solve this problem?

                There is nothing to be sure of! Were the Israeli leaders confident in 1967 that they would be able to preserve the state altogether? They hoped it was, but they weren’t sure ... request Climbing into Syria, Russia declared itself as a world power, trained in combat conditions of general staff, logistics units, air units and the Navy, and, in the end, distracted the attention of the people from the galloping crisis. You can bring a bunch of pluses! bully
                The problem, of course, will not disappear. But in the East, only the strong are respected - the weak are not taken into account!
                PS From six months ago, in my opinion, you yourself expressed something like this - if you have such cool pilots and planes, then why don’t you bomb ISIS and do not support your Assad? Apparently, Putin heard your rebuke and went to meet the wishes of the working people of Israel! wink
      2. Darkoff
        Darkoff 7 November 2015 09: 43 New
        +6
        By the fact that the IG is already in Russia, Afghanistan, Europe, America. Some Taliban have already sworn allegiance to IS. The tumor is in Iraq and Syria, and metastases are spreading all over the world.
        Citizens of the Russian Federation and CIS countries are trained in Syria, then return home and engage in atrocities. How's that for you?
        Medzhu by the way, at the expense of Israel, the IG has very specific plans. Like North Africa, the Apennine Peninsula, the Balkans, the Caucasus and Central Asia.
        THAT'S WHY!
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 10: 06 New
          -5
          Quote: DarkOFF
          By the fact that the IG is already in Russia, Afghanistan, Europe, America.

          ?????
          Quote: DarkOFF
          Some Taliban have sworn allegiance to IS

          Believe me - these oaths are a raging racket. They swear an oath every five minutes, to those who in these 5 minutes are in their opinion stronger.
          Quote: DarkOFF
          Citizens of the Russian Federation and CIS countries are trained in Syria, then return home and engage in atrocities. How's that for you?

          No way, it seems to me that it is necessary to fight these citizens as in Russia. and on returning back. You cannot send a bomber for every banduk.
          There is the FSB. the police are their job

          Quote: DarkOFF
          Medju by the way, at the expense of Israel, IS has very specific plans

          I know . but somehow we bother about this less than you.
          The threat is understandable, there are specific ways to fight and confront.
          Quote: DarkOFF
          . Like North Africa, the Apennine Peninsula, the Balkans, the Caucasus and Central Asia.

          No way, solve your problems. Why, despite their much greater proximity to ISIS, they do not climb into Syria.
          1. Darkoff
            Darkoff 7 November 2015 10: 22 New
            +6
            The representative of the smartest people teaches the victorious country of fascism to deal with its safety and the safety of allies. Well. Well.
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 10: 28 New
              -2
              Quote: DarkOFF
              The representative of the smartest people teaches the victorious country of fascism to deal with its safety and the safety of allies. Well. Well.

              And on the topic, there is something to say. The conversation is not about Israel.
              1. Darkoff
                Darkoff 7 November 2015 11: 06 New
                +3
                Yes. Is in your style: solve your problems and do not meddle with us with Israeli propaganda.
              2. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 7 November 2015 14: 57 New
                +7
                There is. No one sets the task to kill 200 thousand terrorists, and indeed, this is not possible. The goal is to disrupt the IG construction project. After all, what is it? This is a cluster of bandig from half the world, from West Africa to Malaysia. I hope you argue with this, will not ..? So the task is cut out for you, deprive the feeders, weaken, and force them to scatter in small gangs (as they were before), to their homes. And let their governments deal with them there. Little ones are less dangerous! You, not a stupid person, stop biting around.
                Tired of reading your ridicule. Not when, do not think that you are smarter than everyone else, it ends badly.
                Now about propaganda: When US politicians say that Siberia should belong to the world community, I understand that this is what the enemy says. I was born in Siberia, I live here! And no propaganda is needed here, just this statement is enough. This was said, not by our propagandists.
                We, unlike the Ukrainians and the Baltic countries, cannot afford the luxury of choosing enemies. The enemy chooses us. That’s why the United States and all its hangers-on are the enemy for me. Which does not burn my city just because it is cowardly, and tries to take it by cunning.
                ISIS is the fruit of the activity of my enemy and, no matter, it is the fruit of his systematic work or his stupidity, in any case it is.
                And one way or another, he will be turned against me, so you need to bomb. Bomb and the point. And that there who thinks about it, I don’t give a damn.
          2. victor
            victor 7 November 2015 11: 14 New
            +5
            Your military hospitals are treated without bothering, and << I know. but somehow we bother less about this than you. >> it’s understandable. The more Arabs die, the Jews are calmer ... Here Russia decides its ... OWN! putting problems on the former ... FORMER RUSSIAN Jews ... But the former is a shame, right?
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 11: 22 New
              -4
              Quote: victor
              Your military hospitals treat without bothering

              We do not have military hospitals
              Quote: victor
              The more Arabs die, the calmer the Jews

              Of course. but in general I don’t see any particular connection.
              Quote: victor
              ..That Russia decides its ... OWN! putting problems on the former ... FORMER RUSSIAN Jews ..

              Russian Jew is interesting.
              Yes, Russia in general, on nobody (except itself) - having climbed into Syria and did not put it.
              I was on the border with Syria that week.
              Here. to Syria 1 km. White buildings. already Syria. UN base.
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      4. Turkir
        Turkir 7 November 2015 09: 44 New
        +8
        Yes, ISIS somehow along the way to Russia has a dozen more states along the way.

        This is if you go through London, on a donkey .. sad
      5. alicante11
        alicante11 7 November 2015 12: 23 New
        +7
        And why ISIS - were supposed to come to Russia like this automatically? After all, the Taliban did not come, but ISIS somehow has a dozen other states along the way to Russia.


        And why should Hitler come to Russia? He also had more than one state along the way.
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 13: 01 New
          -3
          Quote: alicante11
          And why ISIS - were supposed to come to Russia like this automatically? After all, the Taliban did not come, but ISIS somehow has a dozen other states along the way to Russia.


          And why should Hitler come to Russia? He also had more than one state along the way.

          Well, did it somehow take time? Farther . Are you not hinting that Stalin was wrong?
          That it was necessary to strike Hitler in the 33rd, and not sign an agreement with him on peace and cooperation with huge deliveries of industrial products and resources to Germany (contract of the 39th year)
          wink
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 7 November 2015 15: 45 New
            +2
            Well, with this I completely agree. Without reading the fact that neither I nor you know the details of the political and military games of that time. Vobschem like our time. And from this we can conclude? That we, as the only state in the world capable of destroying the United States, must, as you put it, strike a blow? Those. to bring the war home to those who have carried it around the world for more than 60 years? I am for!
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 7 November 2015 16: 14 New
            +2
            Well, did it somehow take time?


            Well, why wait? Better not to allow it.

            Farther . Are you not hinting that Stalin was wrong?


            Yes, the ITT had nothing to do with it; they did not ask him when Hitler was raised. And during the partition of Czechoslovakia, he proposed that the fascists be reassured. So Comrade Stalin was right.

            That it was necessary to strike Hitler in 33


            In-in, in 35-38 the IVS reasoned just like that, but there were no borders, and the Poles were not allowed.
          3. andj61
            andj61 7 November 2015 20: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Well, did it somehow take time? Farther . Are you not hinting that Stalin was wrong?
            That it was necessary to strike Hitler in the 33rd, and not sign an agreement with him on peace and cooperation with huge deliveries of industrial products and resources to Germany (contract of the 39th year)

            Until the age of 39 - starting with 33 - it was the USSR that acted as the main enemy of Germany in the international arena! But the USSR and Germany did not have common borders then.
            An agreement of 39 years was concluded only after long-running negotiations with England and France failed. Since August 11, 1939, these negotiations have been going on in Moscow, but neither the British nor the French even had the authority to conclude any kind of agreement. At the same time, secret negotiations were ongoing in London with Germany.
            Stalin, after he learned about these London talks, agreed to Germany’s proposal for a non-aggression pact. The exact same pact - and even with secret protocols on the division of spheres of influence, Germany had previously concluded with Poland, and prepared with England and France. Everyone is silent about this! Probably forgotten! request
  15. Severodvinsk
    Severodvinsk 7 November 2015 08: 29 New
    +7
    The author is clearly not out of 90% of Russians supporting Putin. I think our general staff has figured everything out, including the path of departure. You must believe in yourself
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 08: 35 New
      -2
      Quote: Severodvinsk
      The author is clearly not out of 90% of Russians supporting Putin. I think our general staff has figured everything out, including the path of departure. You must believe in yourself

      Well, I would never have called Putin’s moves 100% calculated, it’s enough to recall hundreds of things he stated and not implemented in any way, but what about the war — everyone knows how to enter it — no one knows which one to leave
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 19 New
        +6
        Oh yeah! Teach us calculated moves, great Sensei! Who live in peace, security, universal love and respect!
      2. Darkoff
        Darkoff 7 November 2015 09: 54 New
        +5
        It's not about Putin, but about the General Staff. And this is a team of the world's best specialists and experts!
        How many dogs can all hang on one Putin? He is a man of flesh and blood and physically cannot provide everything that billions of people around the world expect from him, having thousands of opinions on each issue.
        His trouble is that he is too soft for those who let him down and substitute him.
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 10: 21 New
          0
          Quote: DarkOFF
          It's not about Putin, but about the General Staff. And this is a team of the world's best specialists and experts!

          my advice . never use the words - THE BEST IN THE WORLD and NONE OF THE WORLD.
          Quote: DarkOFF
          How many dogs can you hang on one Putin? He is a man of flesh and blood and physically cannot provide everything that billions of people around the world expect from him.

          Well, billions?
          I would have taken up close 140 million before trying to make all of humanity happy
          Quote: DarkOFF
          His trouble is that he is too soft for those who let him down and substitute him.

          Good king - bad boyars.
          Old as the world.
  16. Darkoff
    Darkoff 7 November 2015 08: 37 New
    +8
    The author speaks in vain on behalf of the Sunni majority. Syria is a secular state. Recent presidential elections have shown this. If there is no evidence to the contrary, then this is a topic for conversation in the kitchen.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 08: 43 New
      0
      Quote: DarkOFF
      The author speaks in vain on behalf of the Sunni majority. Syria is a secular state. Recent presidential elections have shown this. If there is no evidence to the contrary, then this is a topic for conversation in the kitchen.

      Is Syria a secular state? Well, it's like secular Chechnya laughing
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 21 New
        +5
        Well, we dealt with Chechnya :) And we will deal with Syria, one way or another.
      2. Darkoff
        Darkoff 7 November 2015 10: 08 New
        +6
        Which one? Islamic or what? You are in a hurry!
        Assad is a secular leader. More than 80% of the population belonging to various faiths voted for him. If there are no facts refuting this - goodbye!
        He, a descendant of the Alawites, married to a sunflower - is that not a secular marriage?
        Chechnya is not a state, but part of Russia. Russia, perhaps not a secular state? In Chechnya, what is Sharia?
        Russia and Syria are multiconfessional and multinational secular states!
  17. onix757
    onix757 7 November 2015 08: 47 New
    +5
    It was necessary to crush in the bud. Now the noise around our "mighty" help in the form of several dozens of aircraft looks like PR and nothing more. If we continue to solve the problems of national security at the borders, then within 3-5 years we will be finally overthrown and begin to ruin openly from within.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 09: 01 New
      -6
      Quote: onix757
      It was necessary to crush in the bud

      ISIS came to Syria a year ago. And what was the 3 previous years?
      Who did Assad fight with?
      1. onix757
        onix757 7 November 2015 09: 09 New
        +1
        It doesn’t matter what enemy Assad fought on his territory. It was necessary to fulfill allied obligations, while there was a state of Syria as such and a strong Syrian army.
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 26 New
        +8
        With insurgents born, nurtured and assassinated by Americans? No? It was the revolutionary masses who suddenly, sharply, wanted to overthrow Assad? As soon as he did not support the construction of an oil pipeline through his country? What a tragic coincidence!
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 09: 47 New
          -5
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          uh? It was the revolutionary masses who suddenly, sharply, wanted to overthrow Assad?

          Well, not all of a sudden, all this has matured for a long time. And for a dry forest, a match is enough
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          As soon as he did not support the construction of an oil pipeline through his country? What a tragic coincidence!

          Oh again the notorious oil / gas pipeline laughing , everyone is talking about him. but no one gives concrete facts.
          Well. so I will ask you a question if the reason is in the oil pipeline. why did Assad refuse him? Reason?
          Somehow, all countries in the world are interested in passing through their territory oil / gas pipelines-- investments. workplaces . influence - but Assad was against it, and why? And was there? And in this case, the next question is, if Assad, at the cost of war (I laugh, but nonetheless) tried to prevent the construction of .... wires, who benefited from this.
          Answer the questions - expert laughing
          1. lockout
            lockout 7 November 2015 10: 17 New
            -2
            Stop playing dishonestly, making people think! Why bring them such torment, breaking the cozy order of nested thoughts? You have no conscience.
          2. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 10: 26 New
            0
            Just some, and Assad among them, is ready for the sake of the idea to give a damn about the benefits. I know it’s hard for you to understand, but at least try. I prefer to see the world in color, if the enemy is deadly, if a friend is the best. Assad apparently also such a view of the world closer.
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 10: 33 New
              -2
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              Just some, and Assad among them, is ready for the sake of the idea to spit on the benefits

              Yes ? And why ? I don’t want the benefit, money to the budget. work places . investment - I DO NOT WANT AND EVERYTHING, Even ready to fight for it belay
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              . I know it’s hard for you to understand, but at least try.

              Yes, your explanations are completely unsuitable for logic.
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              . I prefer to see the world in color, if the enemy is deadly, if a friend is the best.

              You don’t think about the color world, you answer the question. By the way, according to your comment, it’s neither color, but black and white
              The enemy is deadly
              Friend is the best.
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              Assad apparently also such a view of the world closer.

              Well, as always, when specific questions are raised, the market starts with nothing.
              So answer the question or as always blot out? or maybe someone else will try to explain Assad's logic (through the gas pipeline) --- if the cause of the war is in it laughing
              1. Mikhail Krapivin
                Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 10: 54 New
                +5
                I replied, you did not understand. Assad does not want to stir up any projects with enemies, and no jobs, money in the budget and other benefits can not change his mind. I understand him very well and fully support him. The USA has mixed everything in people's heads so much that the war for resources, that is, for profit, for money is no longer perceived as wildness. In my understanding, a war can go for IDEAS, and not for green candy wrappers, although war is bad in any case. But the United States thinks differently and Libya, Iraq will not let me lie. The dead have not yet been buried, but the cut of the economy of the vanquished has already begun. Assad should be next in this row, Russia has not yet allowed to do so.
                1. atalef
                  7 November 2015 11: 02 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  I replied, you did not understand.

                  No one understood
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  Assad does not want to stir up any projects with enemies, and no jobs, money in the budget and other benefits can not change his mind.

                  Saudi Arabia and Qatar were enemies of Syria? You didn’t mix anything up?
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  I understand him perfectly and fully support

                  You don’t know anything about BV
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  The USA has mixed everything in people's heads so much that the war for resources, that is, for profit, for money is no longer perceived as wildness

                  So I do not understand. it means laying a gas pipeline, such as the South Stream through Bulgaria and its refusal is the height of stupidity (throughout the press), and Assad's refusal (of course there was no delirium of the gas pipeline) is the height of prudence. laughing
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  But the United States thinks differently and Libya, Iraq will not let me lie

                  And what exactly? You know . that in Libya the USA practically didn’t take part, those who distinguished themselves were Italy and France — Sarkozy and Berlusconi
                  Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                  and the cut of the vanquished economy has already begun. Assad should be next in this row

                  what nonsense.
                  Syrian economy. new joke.
                  1. Mikhail Krapivin
                    Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 11: 58 New
                    +3
                    I started on this forum with an analysis of your tactics based on pulling out and twisting phrases that are advantageous to you from the text and interpreting them in a light that is advantageous to you. Unfortunately, nothing has changed, you just added insults to the interlocutor. And I was hoping for an interesting and reasoned argument. Alas and ah. And about - no one understood - it is unlikely that anyone needs to understand, it’s a pity that you didn’t even try.
                    1. atalef
                      7 November 2015 12: 19 New
                      0
                      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                      I started on this forum with an analysis of your tactics based on pulling out and twisting phrases that are advantageous to you from the text and interpreting them in a light that is advantageous to you.

                      Well of course. Your fact - such as Assad did not want the gas pipeline, it is against the benefit - the most logical
                      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                      , You just added to this insult to the interlocutor.

                      Where?
                      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                      And I was hoping for an interesting and reasoned argument

                      Do you have a reasoned argument? And where are the arguments?
                      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
                      And about - no one understood - it is unlikely that anyone needs to understand, it’s a pity that you didn’t even try.

                      Arguments in the studio. especially about Saudi and Qatar - as the enemies of al-Assad (before the events)
      3. andj61
        andj61 7 November 2015 20: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        ISIS came to Syria a year ago. And what was the 3 previous years?
        Who did Assad fight with?

        ISIS came to Syria in 2013!
        Al-Qaeda took part in the creation of the group, which, through the international terrorist Abu Musaba al-Zarqawi, first organized the “Consultative Meeting of the Mujahideen” (2006), which was then joined by the groups of Jaish al-Taif al-Mansur (“Army of the Victorious Community” ”),“ Jaish Ahlu-s-Sunna wa-l-Jama'a ”(“ Army of the adherents of the Sunna and the community ”),“ Jaish al-Fatihin ”(“ Army of the Conquerors ”) and“ Jund al-Sahaba ”(“ Companion Army ” ), after which on October 15, 2006 it was announced the creation of the “Islamic State of Iraq” (ISI). Subsequently, small Islamist groups such as Ansar al-Tawhid, Al-Guraba, Islamic Jihad, Asaib al-Ahval, Jamaa al-Murabitin, Ansar al-Tawhid wa joined this organization s Sunnah, Fursan al-Tawhid, Jund Millat al-Ibrahim. The first leader of the Islamic State of Iraq was Abu Omar al-Baghdadi.
        On April 9, 2013, the organization became known as the “Islamic State of Iraq and Syria” (according to another version of “... and the Levant”, “... va Sham”), as ISI militants joined the civil war in Syria as an independent force. Subsequently, this circumstance caused friction between the IGI and Al Qaeda (Zawahiri), whose representatives called on the IGI to return to Iraq. As a result, the Al-Qaeda "legal representative" declared the Al-Nusra Front
  18. 1536
    1536 7 November 2015 08: 59 New
    11
    Syrians are not Afghans for sure. And Syria is not Afghanistan, and this country will live not only with one production of anasha under the guidance of American advisers or oil production under their own eyes. Therefore, there is hope that by destroying the terrorists, the Syrian army will close its borders, the people of Syria will restore their cities, industry, agriculture, science, education. They are cultured people, not savages, the human race has come from this land.
    Therefore, I think that questions like "what will happen after the bombing?" inappropriate. We can say that "wars begin and end, but the people remain." God grant that as many Syrians as possible remain after the end of this war.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 09: 18 New
      -2
      Quote: 1536
      Syrians are not Afghans for sure. And Syria is not Afghanistan

      And what do you mean by that?
      Quote: 1536
      Therefore, it is hoped that by destroying the terrorists, the Syrian army will close its borders

      What would not run away from the country? Do you really think that the majority of those who are fighting with Assad are newcomers?
      Quote: 1536
      the people of Syria will restore their cities, industry, agriculture, science, education.

      Restores someday.
      Quote: 1536
      They are cultural people, not savages, the human race has come from this land

      Well, not humanity went to Syria, but nevertheless, you can believe me, there are enough savages there.
      Quote: 1536
      Therefore, I think that questions like "what will happen after the bombing?" inappropriate

      Why? Or do you think the bombing will end?
      This is the question, suppose hypothetically, that Assad and the videoconferencing crushed the Sunni uprising and came to democratic elections, who do you think 70% of Sunnis will vote for? Or do you think that the elections will again be with the only candidate in the person of Bashar?
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 28 New
        +6
        So let these 70% percent of Sunnis vote! And then it seems that the United States and Israel scare these elections much more than Assad.
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 09: 48 New
          -5
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          So let these 70% percent of Sunnis vote! And then it seems that the United States and Israel scare these elections much more than Assad.

          They definitely don’t scare us. The result is known.
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 10: 27 New
            0
            Then why this assassination attempt Assad? Everyone at the negotiating table and for the election! And do not say that the United States is beyond its power! However, they do not want elections, for some reason ...
            1. atalef
              7 November 2015 10: 54 New
              -2
              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              Then why this assassination attempt Assad? Everyone at the negotiating table and for the election! And do not say that the United States is beyond its power! However, they do not want elections, for some reason ...

              Nobody can do it. at the moment.
              Until one of the parties achieves real success, there will be no elections.
              You need to know the Arab mentality.
              Of course there is an opportunity if the Assad leaves himself. it will be some kind of catalyst for launching the political process. but even that is not sure.
              They are . as normal Arabs, it is all the same to overwhelm each other.
              Syria as a state no longer exists.
              1. Mikhail Krapivin
                Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 11: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef

                Syria as a state no longer exists.


                Yes, Israel has made every effort to do this, I have no doubt.
      2. tomket
        tomket 7 November 2015 10: 06 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Well, not the people of Syria went the human race, but nevertheless, you can believe me, there are enough savages there

        Adam’s grave seems to have been in Iraq)
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 10: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          Quote: atalef
          Well, not the people of Syria went the human race, but nevertheless, you can believe me, there are enough savages there

          Adam’s grave seems to have been in Iraq)

          Actually, who speaks in Saudi Arabia, who is in Hebron (Israel, more precisely Autonomy)
  19. engineer74
    engineer74 7 November 2015 09: 00 New
    10
    "Arab Spring", "Children napmsali on the walls ..", "Shiites-Sunites-Alavites" - the author lives on what planet? Does he believe that all this crap, in the XNUMXst century, happens spontaneously? Or is he trying to convince us of this !? There is a "hybrid war" between Russia and the West, in this light all events must be considered! And everything else, sorry for cynicism, the underlying terrain!
    IMHO
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 09: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: engineer74
      , "Shiites-Sunites-Alawites" - the author lives on what planet? Does he believe that all this crap, in the XNUMXst century, happens spontaneously?

      No, the war between the Sunnis - Shiites lasts for centuries, but the Alawites therefore live in the mountains (centuries), so that it would not be possible for their villages (Sunnis) to get around unnoticed and not cut.
      This is the reality and nothing has changed in the 21st century.
      Quote: engineer74
      ? Or is he trying to convince us of this !?

      Nobody is trying to convince you, you just don’t understand anything about it (maybe you’re not interested in the origins), and it’s not difficult to pull up the sources of impoverishment, and then the religious component.
      Quote: engineer74
      There is a "hybrid war" between Russia and the West, in this light all events must be considered!

      Come on, Syria is the same crossroads of confrontation for me.
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 32 New
        +4
        The crossroads of confrontation - the whole world in Syria met face to face. Is Gil the face of American democracy, no?
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 09: 50 New
          -1
          Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
          The crossroads of confrontation - the whole world in Syria met face to face. Is Gil the face of American democracy, no?

          Michael - go train on cats.
          I'm used to operating facts and logic.
          Read the elementary base. What would be something to talk about. With slogans in front of Mikhan and Vatnik wave, they will like it. hi
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 10: 31 New
            +1
            More anti-Semite was a sincere person, but something has not been visible for a long time, probably banned :(
      2. tomket
        tomket 7 November 2015 10: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Come on, Syria is the same crossroads of confrontation for me.

        Syria is the most real opportunity to return to the mainstream of the Great Game against America, when instead of open confrontation, there is confrontation and war by third countries in the interests of the players. America from the 90 years has written off Russia as a player, but now we pull them by the hand, sitting back at the chessboard. The Shiites, Sunnis, and other Taliban remained pawns in the Big Game, and it will end only when everyone dies - Rudyard Kipling.
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 10: 40 New
          -4
          Quote: tomket
          Syria is the most real opportunity to return to the mainstream of the Great Game against America

          well .- this is closer to the body (as Maupassant said)

          Quote: tomket
          when instead of open confrontation there is a confrontation and wars by third countries in the interests of the players.

          Well, right, to get into Syria, this is an attempt - like start talking to me - the GDP tried to do this in Ukraine - did not pass
          Now in Syria - why do you think it will slip through?
          I say that in Ukraine, in Syria - the West and the United States will give the opportunity to bog Russia in this swamp to the ears.
          What happened in general, as in Ukraine. so in Syria
          Quote: tomket
          Since the 90s, America has written off Russia as a player, but now we pull them by the hand, sitting back at the chessboard

          I do not think . that it is so.
          There were wonderful fat 2000s. Oil is on the rise. the economy grew, wonderful relations with the whole world. Investments from around the world. Population incomes are rising.
          But it was necessary to begin to measure pussy. Well, they started, the result is not very good.

          Quote: tomket
          Shiites, Sunnis and other Taliban as pawns in the "Big Game" remained

          You're wrong.
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 7 November 2015 15: 30 New
            +3
            Stop worrying about our pussy. This is all right, thank God. There is one question that does not give me any peace.
            We had a president, a politician who loved the whole world, but really, didn’t like the majority of our population. Now we have a president with a 90% rating and support for his policy. Well, he really doesn’t like the whole world, and by a strange combination of circumstances this “whole world” is controlled by the US State Department. And now, attention is the question: So who should still like our president, us or them (you) ???
            Please answer me and yourself.
          2. tomket
            tomket 7 November 2015 16: 29 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            You're wrong.

            The Taliban, or did one of them stumble into the queen? not to mention the transition to the role of puppeteer?
      3. engineer74
        engineer74 7 November 2015 10: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: engineer74
        , "Shiites-Sunites-Alawites" - the author lives on what planet? Does he believe that all this crap, in the XNUMXst century, happens spontaneously?

        No, the war between the Sunnis - Shiites lasts for centuries, but the Alawites therefore live in the mountains (centuries), so that it would not be possible for their villages (Sunnis) to get around unnoticed and not cut.
        This is the reality and nothing has changed in the 21st century.
        Quote: engineer74
        ? Or is he trying to convince us of this !?

        Nobody is trying to convince you, you just don’t understand anything about it (maybe you’re not interested in the origins), and it’s not difficult to pull up the sources of impoverishment, and then the religious component.
        Quote: engineer74
        There is a "hybrid war" between Russia and the West, in this light all events must be considered!

        Come on, Syria is the same crossroads of confrontation for me.

        Unconvincing! In the USA, there are also enough Sunites, Shiites, Christians (different), Jews, etc. but not a single significant conflict on religious grounds has been noticed and is not necessary about a high standard of living - not everyone has it and not always. The goal here is one chaos, for which all means are good! Syria - firstly, our only "gate" to the region, secondly, Russia has the Caucasus, and in Syria ISIS and a directing kick started, in our direction, it would get!
        And since when did the Wahhabi Sunnis become more democratic than the Shiites and Alawites?
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 10: 46 New
          -1
          Quote: engineer74
          Unconvincing! In the USA, there are also enough Sunites, Shiites, Christians (different), Jews, etc. but not a single significant religious conflict was noticed

          Of course. Do you know why ? Democracy, the rule of law, equality (certainly relative, but the ideal does not exist at all) - and of course the difference in mentality and a completely different level of economic development.
          Quote: engineer74
          and don’t need about a high standard of living - not everyone has it and not always

          Of course.
          Quote: engineer74
          Syria - firstly our only "gate" to the region

          This last remaining gate - Russia has lost all other friends (among the Arab countries) and primarily the support of Syria and Iran.
          Quote: engineer74
          about the second, Russia has the Caucasus, and in Syria ISIS and a directing kick started, in our direction, it would get!

          What nonsense. while for some reason they are fleeing from the Caucasus to ISIS, and not vice versa.
          Quote: engineer74
          And since when did the Wahhabi Sunnis become more democratic than the Shiites and Alawites?

          And nobody talks about democracy. Neither one nor the other
          By the way, do not use the expression of the Sunni Wahhabi persuasion .-- there are 9 of them if there is) a miser.
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 7 November 2015 11: 10 New
            +3
            Let’s see how refugees from the Middle East accept European equality and the rule of law.
            Militants flee to ISIS, and preachers seep into the Caucasus! (The Taliban, EMNIP, began with one mule in one madrassah).
            They speak about democracy, and there are many, our probable "partners"!
  20. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 7 November 2015 09: 09 New
    +5
    to hell with this info!
  21. Sergey333
    Sergey333 7 November 2015 09: 21 New
    +6
    I look here, no one can see any thinking capable of combining several events on the globe at once, and the author of the article is so far-fetched. A rotten bone was thrown to you and everyone rushed to suck it, some with pleasure, some with disgust. In volume it is necessary to think, in volume! While the bombs are falling on the heads of the bearded scumbags of the Basmachi, the Russians do not kill the Russians on the territory of Ukraine, there you can prepare for the next round in a relaxed atmosphere, and he, believe me, will be sure !! The main reason for this is the highly selfishness of the local population, especially closer to the western borders.
  22. Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 7 November 2015 09: 36 New
    +5
    In general, what the Jews are doing in our country. Yet the comments give us how to live, what to do. They dumped us in their own country during a difficult time for our country and offer something else. Sit there and don't blather. We’ll figure it out ourselves.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 10: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Starshina wmf
      Generally what the Jews do here

      as always, they’re getting into the wrong business. laughing
      Quote: Starshina wmf
      . They dumped us in a difficult time for our homeland in our country and still offer something to us

      Here I am about that, in my own country.
      Quote: Starshina wmf
      Sit there and don't blather. We’ll figure it out ourselves.

      There is ! Comrade foreman (and why foreman in the language of the adversary?)
  23. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 09: 44 New
    +2
    I wonder what guides the decision-making respected elders who select and publish such articles here? Is this an attempt to keep us in good shape by leaving Mirsky the renegade with his heinous propaganda article to be consumed by the public? Or, on the contrary, an attempt to corrupt our immature minds with a luxurious and stunningly seductive picture of decay, a sketch of which was presented to us by the seasoned cosmopolitan Mirsky with bold strokes and bright colors? It’s just interesting, and it sometimes happens that one day the selection of articles is such that you don’t want to read, one negative and pro-American deflection, and the other day everything is fine, optimistic and positive :), the articles delight and inspire!
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 10: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      I wonder what guides the decision-making respected elders who select and publish such articles here?

      Opinions are different. For monotony - please on the first channel
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      This is an attempt to keep us toned,

      No . this is an attempt to look at the conflict from a different angle
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      It’s just interesting, and it sometimes happens that one day the selection of articles is such that you don’t want to read, one negative and pro-American deflection, and the other day everything is fine, optimistic and positive :), the articles delight and inspire!

      Hard . when not everything on the line? wink
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 7 November 2015 10: 20 New
        +3
        It’s hard - when immature minds are corrupting your eyes with tales that you don’t have to resist, but you have to kneel down, open your mouth and close your eyes. And the satisfied USA will thank! The color revolution and the fragmentation of the state.
  24. dog1965
    dog1965 7 November 2015 09: 50 New
    +3
    The author is a liberal and an active opponent of Putin. Here is a little about his life path.
    http://aftershock.su/?q=node/304128
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 7 November 2015 10: 34 New
      +3
      rare purity ""!
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 7 November 2015 10: 04 New
    +6
    Comrades! Friends! Happy Great October Socialist Revolution!
  26. Turkir
    Turkir 7 November 2015 10: 34 New
    +2
    Therefore, the Syrian operation of Russia will not give serious advantages.

    The half-hearted position of the author does not make him a serious analyst.
    Therefore, he will not wait for "serious pluses" from us.
    -------
    From the autobiography of the author -
    January 15, the 42nd year, I went to work as a loader in a store on Sukharevskaya ...
  27. Awaz
    Awaz 7 November 2015 10: 37 New
    +2
    I also do not understand the message of the author. That is, if the British layer is ruled in Scotland in Great Britain, it’s good, but the fact that in Syria, the Alawites, at one time successfully gained power, from being in the right place at the time, that is, more educated and prepared for this power, it means bad .
    Here you look at the telly, when they show the rulers - all the same through one person with characteristic features ... Maybe they are also fucking forks?
    And then in Ukraine, in general, the armed resistance of the Donetsk towards the junta in general is all-round Good ...
  28. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 7 November 2015 10: 51 New
    +5
    Therefore, the Syrian operation of Russia will not give serious advantages. Moreover, it is at this point that the theses of both Western anti-Putin and extremist Muslim propaganda can coincide.

    For a long time, it became clear to everyone that behind all Muslim extremism the ears of Western gameocracy stick out! A favorite pastime of Western globalists is to assert their hegemony in the world with the wrong hands, especially since their repeated direct attacks on Russia
    ended in failure, and in the current nuclear age, they can generally end for the West with the complete destruction of Western civilization! Therefore, a few years ago this man-made symbiosis of Western gameocracy and Muslim extremism appeared, sponsored by the West and the Arab monarchies, claiming a leadership role in the Muslim world! His goal, which has begun to be actively realized, is to use Muslim extremism as a battering ram to redraw the world to Western standards! At the same time, the West not only has nothing to do with it, but also poses as irreconcilable fighters against extremism, has been tirelessly bombing Islamic extremist terrorists for several years, but for some reason it is neither hot nor cold! And only now, when Russia took up the task of destroying Muslim scumbags, they began to be “baked” strongly, as well as their sponsors, whose plans Russia so unexpectedly destroyed!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 7 November 2015 11: 19 New
      +3
      It’s time for us to understand that terrorists are being trained and cherished, including in order to subsequently set them on Russia and any hope for a “kind” USA and a “great” fighter against Israeli terrorism who will “destroy” everything only fanatics, bandits, killers and various "mutants".
      And yet - as long as the regimes of the USA, Israel, Wahhabis of the PZ and Europe, which agrees with them in everything, continue their policy of "weakening" Russia - terrorism in the world is ineradicable since they will always "feed" it from any "sprout" available to them.
  29. Wildfox
    Wildfox 7 November 2015 11: 38 New
    +1
    I can’t restrain myself. I’ll ask the author, and if they force him to have unnatural sexual intercourse, will he relax and try to have fun?
    On the fact of actions in Syria:
    1. The bombing makes sense because ISIS newcomers are now traveling not just to take part in the expansion of the new state, but to knead porridge with the blood and intestines of their brothers. The conclusion has become less attractive to the "meat" (do not care for the mercenaries).
    2. How long and not too successful is Assad? Fortifications and underground passages are not easy to storm. America and the Viet Cong also choked on such moves, and they are stronger than Assad.
    3. Almost exclusively for atalef
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    You know how to calm :) Why should iGil automatically come to Russia? Mmm ... Let me think ... Maybe because you and the Americans will do everything for it?

    Or maybe this is what they load you up to, and do you believe in it?
    It seems to me that ISIS at first should be confused by the presence of Israel (on the way to Russia 0 and the border is near, and universal respect and respect in the Arab world will be ensured for him, and somehow you can really fight at all.
    And against Russia as ISIS is going to fight (in your opinion).
    The attacks Thousands of people are not required to organize them, motivation is required, and Russia, having entered the war on the side of Shiite-Alawites, created a wonderful motivation for this.
    In general, someone fits into the head - Christians-Shiites-Alawites --- bomb faithful Muslims (such propaganda is now in the Islamic world).
    The consequences to predict?

    "The patrons of ISIS and other anti-Assad forces are the same whose ears stuck in 2 Chechen companies. Why do you think they will not trample on the Caucasus now? Or will they not spread across Central Asia?
    4. Of all the forces involved in the conflict, I would bet on the Kurds, it is better to get wide autonomy in Syria than to sell most of it. hi
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 11: 48 New
      -1
      Quote: WildFox
      . The bombing makes sense because ISIS newcomers are now traveling not just to participate in the expansion of the new state, but to knead porridge with blood and intestines of their brothers. The conclusion has become less attractive to the "meat" (do not care for the mercenaries)

      According to reports, the number of ISIS members (with the start of the bombing) only increased

      Quote: WildFox
      How long and not too successful is Assad? Fortifications and underground passages are not easy to storm. America and the Viet Cong also choked on such moves, and they are stronger than Assad.

      Leave these tales for the first channel.
      Assad's army in the Sunni areas does not climb

      Quote: WildFox
      The patrons of ISIS and other anti-Assad forces are the same whose ears stuck in 2 Chechen companies. Why do you think she will not trample in the Caucasus now? Or won't they spread across Central Asia?

      Well, in general, they have enough things to do with BV. Why climb into Russia? Explain to me why Russia is more attractive to ISIS than the Middle East region?
      Quote: WildFox
      . Of all the forces involved in the conflict, I would bet on the Kurds, it is better to get broad autonomy in Syria than to profucuyu most of it

      Turkey will not allow this. A curtain.
      1. Abrekkos
        Abrekkos 7 November 2015 13: 24 New
        +1
        The number of ISIS members has certainly increased and it has been increasing throughout the war. Back in 2012, no one noticed ISIS in Syria. The more war, the more radicalization.
        The problem with ISIS is that these guys are going to die for faith. Of those who go to become fighters, probably about 30 percent. But neither the fighters will ever be able to frighten them, stop or convince them.
        These 30% will fight. There are two components. The first is ordinary. Everyone who has been in a combat situation knows that at some point a certain thrill arises from natural fear - it's like a drug. As in MUL "Everything that threatens death with a mortal heart is fraught with inexplicable pleasure." Therefore, once caught in a mess, you want to return again and again. It will stop very hard. It’s like you don’t live in ordinary life.
        The second feeling that this is from God is fanaticism. It turns out an explosive mixture.
        And if this still happens at a young age, then the personality is formed on this.
        And on such "personalities" for each in the war you need 3-5 ordinary soldiers.
        And how are the Asadovites fighting?
        They shot, went into the village, looked around: "we won’t stay here for the night." In the morning they will pull the pipes and from that hill we will be covered. "We are not our enemies. The people need living defenders. We went back." If they force them to stay, they don’t equip either fortifications or everyday life - they sit until the first counterattack and leave on a specious pretext.
        Real successes come when they take a successful position. Then they are fixed on it.

        I don’t agree that Assad’s army doesn’t enter the Sunni regions. The Assad army is an army of masters and it actually does not have its own and specifically alien areas. It’s just that there are areas in which it can’t stand it and the Sunnis mostly live there. But there are areas of the Sunni population where the Assad army as a whole is supported. This is the weakness of Assad; he no longer has his own land on which he could reliably rely.

        And the Sunnis stick with the Sunnis, in fact, not so much because they are Sunnis, but because in a war it’s impossible and necessary to unite on some basis. Somewhere this association happened, and somewhere not, and somewhere there was a union on another base.

        And about ISIS, so we already have it. He will not go to Russia with tanks. But if he arranges everything in his nest, then he activates with us. Although probably not with us first. Rather, in Central Asia, for starters, it will concentrate where it has a wider social base.
        So do not give him nests to equip.

        And this, along with geopolitics, is the main reason for us to fight in Syria. Syria is not only a stronghold of our influence in the region and the Mediterranean Sea.

        By the way, ISIS will not go to Israel either. He has not yet won the war, and his social base in Israel is weak. Most Israeli Muslims, I think, are not eager to live in ISIS. They are not. But on the thugs of the revolution can not be done - they are only a fuse for a grenade.

        PS
        And the article is about white noise. Well, selected some convenient facts contradicting propaganda and all. The rest is "outsider tips"

        One can not but agree with one thesis. ISIS itself cannot be bombed - it is like a cancerous tumor everywhere.

        But it does not follow from this that it is necessary to give him a winding nest and create an economic and political base for himself.
        And even more so, it does not follow that one does not need to pursue one's interests in the region.
        And it does not mean that you need to abandon your allies in difficult times. Moreover, they are no worse than their enemies.

        If you get a good shot at ISIS, you look and lose the current gloss (there were al-Qaeda, the Taliban ...) are already blown away. And ISIS is a myth created on his victories. Of course ISIS will deflate others will appear. Radical Islam is not going anywhere. But you need to support it in a state where "there are no real violent moles and no leaders."
        Of course, there’s not enough boom for this, but even without them, it no longer works.
        1. atalef
          7 November 2015 13: 34 New
          -1
          Quote: Abrekkos
          The number of ISIS members certainly increased and it increased throughout the war. Back in 2012, no one noticed ISIS in Syria. The more war, the more radicalization

          Absolutely right, Assad at the beginning of this mess did not understand that this is a revolutionary situation. continued to push, the conflict radicalized
          Quote: Abrekkos
          The problem with ISIS is that these guys are going to die for faith. Of those who go to become fighters, probably about 30 percent. But neither the fighters will ever be able to frighten them, stop or convince them.

          This is not so, it is worth removing some of the premises (and the main one is Assad) and the conflict will wane
          Quote: Abrekkos
          And how are the Asadovites fighting?
          They shot, went into the village, looked around: "we won’t stay here for the night."

          The same thing is right, they understand, in the Sunni regions they have an enemy around every corner

          Quote: Abrekkos
          Assad is an army of masters and it actually does not have its own and specifically alien areas. It’s just that there are areas in which it can’t stand it and the Sunnis live there mainly

          They don’t go there, and 70% of the Sunnis in Syria
          Your comment
          I will not analyze it by phrases - it is very adequate hi
  30. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 7 November 2015 11: 59 New
    +5
    Judging by the comments again atalef oppressed by Zionist propaganda and expelled. He blacklisted me, so I see only his quotes in other comments.
    Having entered the war on the side of Shia-Alavites, Russia created a wonderful motivation for this.

    Well, Israel, through its actions, has long created the motivation for terrorist attacks on its territory. Therefore, atalef first understand yourself, and then teach others how to live.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 7 November 2015 12: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Judging by the comments, atalef again oppresses Zionist propaganda and is being exiled

      C'mon, it’s long been clear who he is and what he achieves by spreading Russophobia, hatred of the allies of our country, introducing “doubts” into “fragile minds”:
  31. Earnest
    Earnest 7 November 2015 12: 10 New
    +6
    I have met Mirsky’s articles before, but not one of them had an analysis aimed at “preventive measures”, the result of which would avoid the negative prospects described in the article. Mirsky and their like-minded people, such as atalef, are described by the phrase "if I were smart at oncelike my wife then... "Figuratively speaking, they live near the Cyclops Cave and enthusiastically comment on his every movement, in any direction:" look, he broke a tree like a match, "" and I warned that the giant is stronger than a snail, "" " Odysseus climbed onto Polyphemus, now they’ll eat him. " Now they live in a world developing according to a scenario convenient for them - everything is fine, the Sunnis mated with the Shiites, they can cut Christians together, they don’t remember about Israel. Yes, in Syria, just such a ball of snakes grappled that there are no words, but the pace and stripes are already visible in the front row. "Quiet in Syria? Israeli F-16 outfit to fly!" Have you already forgotten how it was, but in parallel with this the fleet was pulling up to Syria? How did a couple of missiles fly in "test mode"? Like to see if Assad used bad and bad weapons ... There is someone to remind!
    Well, returning to personalities - such as atalef, smart, literate, skillfully smashing down the rustic, trying to naively argue with them on their field and according to their rules of intellectuals - these are people who distract you, as you would say before, from the class fight. " Evidence-based example? Please - view comments on this article. All questions that do not give a chance for a short "cutting" answer are ignored. Constantly empty, empty arguments like "Everyone knows the result," "You're wrong," etc. are used. Do not argue with them, do not waste time, all the same, nothing important, meaningful, decisive will come of this empty talk.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 12: 50 New
      -2
      Quote: Earnest
      Mirsky and their like-minded people, such as atalef, are described by the phrase "if I were smart right away, like my wife later ..."

      Well, I’m neither the General Staff and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, they had to analyze, and I waved my saber after the fight.
      Although if exactly where Assad laughed - it is clear
      Quote: Earnest
      Well, returning to personalities - such as atalef, smart, literate, skillfully smashing down the rustic, trying to naively argue with them on their field and according to their rules, intellectuals - these are people who distract you, as you would say before, from the class fight. "

      Do you have a class struggle in Syria? I am not convincing anyone. I'm trying to show my vision of the problem. unlike most - reasonably

      Quote: Earnest
      . Evidence-based example? Please - view comments on this article. All questions that do not give a chance for a short “cutting” answer are ignored.

      The short cut-off answer is yes or no?
      Well, answer me briefly, so to speak
      - Have you stopped drinking cognac in the morning? ( Yes or no ? )
      Quote: Earnest
      . Constantly used empty-empty arguments like "Everyone knows the result," "You're wrong."

      I have never had any answers without arguments _ this is what infuriates you. There is nothing to oppose. but I want it so much.
      I am not a headless creature, I can be proved, I am just open for dialogue.
      Only arguments please provide adequate, not type

      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      Just some, and Assad among them, is ready for the sake of the idea to spit on the benefits

      It’s true why and what kind of idea - why doesn’t it write laughing
      Quote: Earnest
      Do not argue with them, do not waste time, all the same, nothing important, meaningful, decisive will come of this empty talk.

      Well, against the logic of facts and knowledge of the situation - it’s generally difficult to argue.
      Well this is how much material you need to shovel. and so - the first channel explained everything in detail. wink
  32. His
    His 7 November 2015 12: 19 New
    0
    Listen to Jacob Kedmi
  33. Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 7 November 2015 12: 46 New
    +1
    "Believe me, these oaths are rash delirium." Well, don’t touch what nosy, then this nosy такой such iksperd ’that understands everything. Why should we believe a Jew?
  34. Earnest
    Earnest 7 November 2015 13: 00 New
    +5
    Peace-loving Israel in the relevant first committee of the UN General Assembly voted against the resolution "On the non-deployment of first weapons in outer space," 173 delegations supported the document. Only three states expressed their “no” - Israel, Palau and the USA. With the advent of the Russian Aerospace Forces group in Syria, the terrestrial atmosphere ceased to meet the safety requirements of the six-pointed and six-pointed pilots, and our cautious partners carefully looked at the Moon.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 13: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Earnest
      Peace-loving Israel in the relevant first committee of the UN General Assembly voted against the resolution "On the non-deployment of first weapons in outer space," 173 delegations supported the document. Only three states expressed their “no” - Israel, Palau and the USA. With the advent of the Russian Aerospace Forces group in Syria, the terrestrial atmosphere ceased to meet the safety requirements of the six-pointed and six-pointed pilots, and our cautious partners carefully looked at the Moon.

      Israel votes like the United States, this is not surprising.
  35. Earnest
    Earnest 7 November 2015 13: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef

    Well, I’m neither the General Staff and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, they had to analyze, and I waved my saber after the fight.
    Although if exactly where Assad laughed - it is clear
    .
    Do you have a class struggle in Syria? I am not convincing anyone. I'm trying to show my vision of the problem. unlike most - reasonably

    I am not a headless creature, I can be proved, I am just open for dialogue.
    Only arguments please provide adequate ...

    You are welcome. You know for sure that the Russian Federation in vain got involved in the Syrian counter-terrorist operation. I know for sure that in the 2006 of the 30, the thousandth land group of the Israel Defense Forces with difficulty squeezed out the militants of the radical Shiite group Hezbollah from the border regions of Lebanon. The low tension of the ground operation was offset by bombing, according to some sources - up to 400 sorties per day. The "July War", as some Israeli experts called this minor conflict, did not achieve its goals, but since the losses were minimal, it is exposed as successful. In reality, it led to the accusation of E. Olmert of the “failure of the Lebanese war” with the subsequent replacement of the Kadima party at the helm of power.
    Question: What comparative characteristic will you give to the actions of the Israeli Air Force in 2006 and the Russian Air Force in 2015?
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 13: 46 New
      -3
      Quote: Earnest
      . I know for sure that in 2006, the 30 thousandth ground group of the Israel Defense Forces with difficulty squeezed the militants of the radical Shiite group Hezbollah from the border regions of Lebanon.

      But at first she didn’t squeeze, and if she did, they returned vseravno
      Quote: Earnest
      The July War, as some Israeli experts called this petty conflict,

      He was not petty, both in losses and in the transformation of the Army caused by him
      Quote: Earnest
      In reality, it led to the accusation of E. Olmert of the “failure of the Lebanese war” with the subsequent replacement of the Kadima party at the helm of power

      The real result of this war is 9 years of calm border (to date) with Lebanon, the sitting of Nasrallah in the bunker and the complete absence of shelling of Israeli territory by Hezbollah.
      9 years for Israel is a lot.
      Quote: Earnest
      Question: What comparative characteristic will you give to the actions of the Israeli Air Force in 2006 and the Russian Air Force in 2015?

      Here, it’s also not possible to compare. maybe Israel introduced its own troops, fought against specific targets (Hezbollah), had its own intelligence.
      - the result, in a month everything was over (not 100% as we would like) - but the overall result is quite satisfactory, 9 years of silence.
      The videoconferencing in Syria is an assault on Assad’s army and therefore a priori cannot independently decide.
      Reconnaissance Infa - appears to be GS-Assad.
      Civil war, which means - endless and Assad cannot defeat it
      The effectiveness of VKS actions - judging by the reports - has destroyed thousands of targets.
      Judging by the advance of Assad’s troops, this does not help (much), and the number of militants killed is not very effective.
      The videoconferencing system in Syria is already more than a month. Now the rainy season has come. another month and a half - Winter
      Think yourself how it will affect both the VKS and the military operations.
      AK prolongation of the conflict is at hand for everyone except Russia
  36. Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 7 November 2015 13: 18 New
    +1
    Just as you don’t listen to these Jews, it’s one year old. They are the smartest, you only need to listen to them and no one else. What do they want? Piled up, there is a road, only the air has become cleaner.
  37. Boris Zidkov
    Boris Zidkov 7 November 2015 13: 31 New
    +1
    Probably their insult still presses on the pace. They pinched their poor on the 5th (fifth) column did not give good posts. As one Jew wrote, Russia is a country of great opportunities - you go for money and do not try to raise them, moreover you and others do not give raise, like dogs in the hay.
  38. Alexl
    Alexl 7 November 2015 13: 55 New
    0
    Read the biography of this analyst. An ardent perestroika and a liberal Westerner.
  39. MAKK75
    MAKK75 7 November 2015 14: 43 New
    -1
    In this case, I do not quite understand the purpose of the Russian operation in Syria. Spend a lot of money from the country's budget every day, and still not be sure of victory. Well this is a little strange ...
  40. Earnest
    Earnest 7 November 2015 14: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef

    Well, in the first place, she didn’t squeeze, and if she did, they returned vseravno
    Quote: Earnest
    The July War, as some Israeli experts called this petty conflict,

    He was not petty, both in losses and in the transformation of the Army caused by him
    Quote: Earnest
    In reality, it led to the accusation of E. Olmert of the “failure of the Lebanese war” with the subsequent replacement of the Kadima party at the helm of power

    The real result of this war is 9 years of calm border (to date) with Lebanon, the sitting of Nasrallah in the bunker and the complete absence of shelling of Israeli territory by Hezbollah.
    9 years for Israel is a lot.

    Here, it’s also not possible to compare. maybe Israel introduced its own troops, fought against specific targets (Hezbollah), had its own intelligence.
    - the result, in a month everything was over (not 100% as we would like) - but the overall result is quite satisfactory, 9 years of silence.
    The videoconferencing in Syria is an assault on Assad’s army and therefore a priori cannot independently decide.
    Reconnaissance Infa - appears to be GS-Assad.
    Civil war, which means - endless and Assad cannot defeat it
    The effectiveness of VKS actions - judging by the reports - has destroyed thousands of targets.
    Judging by the advance of Assad’s troops, this does not help (much), and the number of militants killed is not very effective.
    The videoconferencing system in Syria is already more than a month. Now the rainy season has come. another month and a half - Winter
    Think yourself how it will affect both the VKS and the military operations.
    AK prolongation of the conflict is at hand for everyone except Russia

    You're wrong.
    The prolongation of the conflict is the second of the acceptable results for the Russian Federation, as the third - Assad’s defeat (as predicted by the six-pointed and striped - in the summer of 2015?) - is already unacceptable. The political outcome is known to all. Psychological - the broads, whom you set on Assad, have lost the halo of invincibility. Only three dozen aircraft from the regional gas station - and the whole hegemonic policy in the priest.
    There is no need to compare here - it was not even necessary to introduce troops, and the result is obvious, and the reforms carried out according to the results of 080808 were successfully tested already in the second region of the world. Weaknesses were identified, including the defenselessness of civilians who temporarily departed to countries that were unable to ensure security on their own territory. But once it was possible to go to Syria and tourists, and not just like me on a business trip. That's just bloodthirsty and just greedy creatures stir up everything, they all need hegemony. Was Iraq dangerous to Israel and other temporarily pro-American regimes? Syria? You said no. But ISIS as a state, in case of victory and its full formation, what will grow in years through 10 - doesn’t it scare you? I think not - because you also expect to drive them into the Middle Ages, into the Stone Age. This is our difference - you trample into chaos, but we raise from the mud. All the peoples who find themselves in the sphere of our influence received an impetus for development. So, for example, the state of Israel arose also not without our help.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 17: 36 New
      -2
      Quote: Earnest
      You are mistaken.
      The prolongation of the conflict is the second of the acceptable results for the Russian Federation,

      It is not acceptable because it has been there for a long time. neither the people of Russia will understand, nor the budget
      Quote: Earnest
      Assad’s defeat (as predicted by the six-pointed and striped - in the summer of 2015?) - is already unacceptable

      Forget about Assad. He is not there.
      Quote: Earnest
      The political outcome is known to all. Psychological - the broads, whom you set on Assad, have lost the halo of invincibility.

      Let's somehow operate on the facts. Especially in the part set.
      Quote: Earnest
      Only three dozen aircraft from the regional gas station - and the whole hegemonic policy in the priest.

      Funny you
      Quote: Earnest
      . Was Iraq dangerous to Israel and other temporarily pro-American regimes? Syria? You said no

      I do not understand, decrypt.
      Quote: Earnest
      But ISIS as a state, in case of victory and its full formation, what will grow in 10 years - doesn’t it scare you?

      ISIS cannot turn into a state.
      Quote: Earnest
      . All the peoples who find themselves in the sphere of our influence received an impetus for development. So, for example, the state of Israel arose also not without our help.

      some megalomania.
      1. Earnest
        Earnest 15 October 2017 21: 42 New
        0
        Two years have passed. Talk about the same issues?
        What are you trying to argue about Hezbollah with me in the comments of November 7 of 2015? As you now respond to this news: "The head of the Israeli defense department Avigdor Lieberman announced the transfer of the Lebanese Armed Forces to Hezbollah control, as reported by REGNUM with reference to the Associated Press." You won notably))). Come to you as a predictor, or something, so as not to be so offensive?
        Assad is gone? This is Obama not).
        ISIS cannot become a state? And the "capital" of which you are there together with mattresses for a year storming in Raqqa?
        Megalomania? Who, me? Or maybe you, you are glaring our incompetence?
  41. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 7 November 2015 15: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: atalef

    This is not so, it is worth removing some of the premises (and the main one is Assad) and the conflict will wane

    The same thing is right, they understand, in the Sunni regions they have an enemy around every corner


    Here I have a completely different opinion. If you remove Assad, then most of his army will immediately join the SSA. And they will be accepted there as old friends (for starters). SSA will capture most of Syria by forming a Kurdish vassal buffer state on the flank. There are already "negotiations" on the creation in the new Syria of something like "an autonomous region of a free Kurdish working state."

    But ISIS will not be replaced by a frail piece of Syria, and they will pop a nest there and raise their banner high.

    At the same time, Russia will fly out of Syria forever. Its presence in the Middle East and in the Mediterranean Sea will become invisible - read illusory.

    Who will stay?
    Iran - it doesn’t matter if it has a serious social base in Syria and only he can calm down Hezbollah, and both the SSA and the other will be as necessary.
    Saudis. We somehow talk about them basically in any way. But these guys are not much different from ISIS.
    FSA which will start to fight with itself along the way fighting off ISIS and in whom it will result in the division of power? ISIS? Saudosatellite? or a la assadit? that's how lucky ...

    Who will be the main beneficiary of the new alignment? Right ISIS and radicals.
    And the moderation of what is formed on the site of the SSA in any case will be very arbitrary.

    Therefore, our diplomacy is looking for contacts with the "moderate" opposition. And this is not at all a concession to the position of the West.
    This is a normal calculation of what to do if Assad still falls.
    And it was not for nothing that they agreed to it right now - a month after the start of the operation. It just became clear that the victory is not close and it is not clear whether it wakes.

    So the elimination of Assad in fact is also not a terrible end for some, but horror without end for everyone.

    Now "about every home":
    Assad’s army is at war even in those villages (and cities) where there are no residents in any house. It’s just that style. "Here the position is bad, we went back (or rather, went)." Although of course there are exceptions.
    1. atalef
      7 November 2015 17: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Abrekkos
      ut I have a completely different opinion. If you remove Assad, then most of his army will immediately join the SSA. And they will be accepted there as old friends (for starters). SSA will capture most of Syria by forming a Kurdish vassal buffer state on the flank.

      So what ? As for the Kurds, I doubt it. Turkey will not give
      Quote: Abrekkos
      But ISIS will not be replaced by a frail piece of Syria, and they will pop a nest there and raise their banner high.

      The whole question is what the new Syrian government will propose, without the support of the local population, ISIS will not survive
      Quote: Abrekkos
      Iran - it doesn’t matter if it has a serious social base in Syria and only he can calm down Hezbollah, and both the SSA and the other

      Iran does not have social services. base in Syria, he has the Alawites and their joint interests.
      As to calm down Hezbollah, what side is it in Syria? As she came to Syria, she’ll leave
      Quote: Abrekkos
      Who will be the main beneficiary of the new alignment? Right ISIS and radicals.
      And the moderation of what is formed on the site of the SSA in any case will be very arbitrary.

      What now ? Or what option, Assad will continue - this is a continuation of the war to infinity
      Although for me, not a bad option

      Quote: Abrekkos
      Therefore, our diplomacy is looking for contacts with the "moderate" opposition. And this is not at all a concession to the position of the West.
      This is a normal calculation of what to do if Assad still falls.


      it’s the realization that Assad cannot win. Otherwise. why bother
      Quote: Abrekkos
      so that the elimination of Assad in fact is also not a terrible end for some, but horror without end for everyone.

      But I do not agree with this.
      The elimination of Assad makes it possible to resume the political process. With Assad, this is not real
      Quote: Abrekkos
      Assad’s army is at war even in those villages (and cities) where there are no residents in any house. It’s just that style.

      ??
      1. lockout
        lockout 7 November 2015 19: 02 New
        +3
        What's the problem with Assad? I don’t understand why he should leave and how everyone will immediately change the machines to bunches of buttercups.
  42. Garris199
    Garris199 7 November 2015 15: 22 New
    +3
    Alawites, Sunnis, Shiites, Druze, Kurds. Whoever lives there better or worse is the whole internal affair of the Syrian, multinational people. We are fighting against gangsters, cannibals, murderers and executioners who have inundated this country. Destroying monuments of world culture, trading in ancient values ​​and oil on the black market. Against the thugs who organized the slave market and mass executions. Against the US pocket army, which with their help (and with the open support of their allies in the region) are trying to redraw the Middle East.
  43. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 7 November 2015 15: 31 New
    +3
    It is necessary to begin. The ultimate goal: to plant their regimes on BV, to reconcile everyone. Surround Israel with a cordon so that no terrorists can get into its territory, let them live peacefully and peacefully.
    ISIS will be squeezed out to its homeland, in the desert regions of Australia. I am sure that they will argue that they are not from there. But we won’t believe them ...
  44. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 7 November 2015 16: 57 New
    +1
    When the author criticizes the actions of Saudi Arabia in Yemen, then I believe that he is not a Cossack mishandled.
  45. Abrekkos
    Abrekkos 7 November 2015 18: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    As for the Kurds, I doubt it. Turkey will not give
    The whole question of what the new Syrian government will offer, without the support of the local population, ISIS niodin will not survive
    Iran does not have social services. base in Syria, he has the Alawites and their joint interests.
    As to calm down Hezbollah, what side is it in Syria? As she came to Syria, she’ll leave
    What now ? Or what option, Assad will continue - this is a continuation of the war to infinity

    Turkey is unlikely to fail. Formally, this will be an autonomous region in Syria. Although of course there is a chance that it will intervene.

    The new Syrian government will not be able to offer anything. She will be busy with internal showdowns. Most likely with a weapon. After the showdown, there will be little left to offer themselves. :-)

    If Assad falls, no one will speak with the Alawites and they will have to survive in the name of Iranian patrons. they will turn from allies into vassals of Iran or leave the political scene. Most likely they will go into the shadow of Hezbollah and into the territory controlled by Hezbollah i.e. there, under the Iranian protectorate, to create for him, as I may not exactly put it, “social base”.
    And you idealize Hezbollah in my opinion. This is Syria for us and it is not Syria, but they simply have it if they came there and then they won’t go anywhere until they are knocked out (and the SSA will be there before) or until they are convincingly Asked.

    By Assad’s departure, I had in mind only his military defeat, which they are trying to prevent the VKS.
    But the absence of military defeat does not mean that Assad remains in power. In the current conditions, this creates an opportunity for a political process with a more peaceful development of events or for the dismemberment of Syria with the Assad enclave (which is hardly possible at all). What our diplomacy is actually doing, it certainly doesn’t just coordinate goals with the SSA.
    In the meantime, everyone is waiting for the soon fall of Assad. All will only increase military efforts in order to knock out the weak link and take the most convenient positions for reaping the fruits of victory.
    Naturally, I proceed from the scenarios of "profitable" Russia since we are discussing the operation of the videoconferencing and its objectives.
    It is clear that there are other scenarios for them; I am not discussing this; this is not the topic of this article.
  46. faterdom
    faterdom 7 November 2015 18: 54 New
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    The whole article is a direct targeting instruction with arguments for the five-column - a roadmap from the State Department: what to blow into the ears and other social networks of the blogosphere, what arguments to cover, and what not to depart from.
    True, against the $ 86 million allocated next year "for democracy in Russia" against Putin, it is somehow weak. And so, an insultingly small amount for such a large and difficult matter, as well as bullshit apologists are not artful in writing provocative pamphlets, their ears stick out very much.
  47. LCA
    LCA 7 November 2015 19: 33 New
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    A long-term strategy for overcoming Quranic Islam with the power of the biblical project.

    For running the biblical project, one of the main problems of a cultural character of a global scale is Koranic Islam.

    The reasons for the severity of this problem are that the global political doctrine, on the basis of which Western policy is based, stems from two points:

    • the thesis of the superiority of Jews over other people and the obligation of all others to be respectfully tolerant of Jews;
    • buying up the world with all its inhabitants and property on the basis of the Jewish mafia-corporate transnational monopoly on usury.

    And although these provisions are not directly declared, they are strictly enforced by default.

    In the Qur'an, the doctrine of the superiority of Jews over others is denied, and usury is categorically prohibited, and it is characterized as a form of Satanism.

    Although these provisions do not find expression in the political practice of Muslim countries, based on an alternative biblical slavery of the concept, and those who consider themselves Muslims do not realize this, however

    The bosses of the West realize that the Quran is a potential threat to the establishment of their global power regime. This causes a desire to leave him in the historical past.

    One of the scenarios for resolving the “Islamic problem” for the rulers of the West is multi-path:

    1. The creation of a "caliphate", which should include, if not all, then the vast majority of peoples for whom Islam in its historical form is a traditional religion.

    2. The outbreak of a world war by the “caliphate” with the goal of eradicating the godless liberalism of the West and the creeds of the “infidels”, and the imposition of the ritualism of Islam as the universal “religion” of all mankind.

    3. Next, the branch point, depending on the course and outcome of the war:

    • 3.1. If the “civilized” states of the West win, the Koran will face the same fate as the “Mine Kampf”, and the countries of traditional Islam will undergo “de-Islamization”, similar to how “denazification” was carried out in both German states at the end of the second world war of the twentieth century ".

    • 3.2. If the "caliphate" wins, then the ritualism of Islam becomes an obligatory norm of behavior for all residents of the emerging "world caliphate." The crowd in it, not knowing Arabic, can’t read the Quran on its own and lives under the guidance of the mullahs. All Muslim countries give hope for the possibility of implementing such a method of government.

    Even in states where the Arabic-speaking people are the overwhelming majority of the population, the “Muslims” themselves worship the prayer rug without relating their life to the Koran, and their way of life and ideals (dreams) are very far from the Quranic covenant to build the Kingdom of God on Earth, which should eradicate the tyranny of some people over others.
  48. LCA
    LCA 7 November 2015 19: 34 New
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    Mullahs are a professional corporation of ideologists that will interpret life with references to the Qur'an, focusing on the interests of their backstage masters: just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan and the Muslim clergy did and does in all countries.

    At the next stage, when the power of the mullahs will be hated by everyone, due to its "obsession" with ritualism and the inability to identify and solve real problems in the life of societies - a worldwide anti-Islamic rebellion, the liberation of mullahs from power and, as in paragraph 3.1, "de-Islamization", the removal of the Koran from public access and its placement in special libraries of libraries so that it can be quoted only by especially trusted historians, showing readers what evil has rid mankind.

    The fact that the Koran and Islam in the second half of the twentieth century became the main object of deliberate slander and discredit is an inhabitant in the West who does not suspect: he has things “more important” than taking the Koran, reading it as a message addressed to him personally, and correlating what was written with life to see this slander and apostasy of “Muslims” from the commandment that he had in the Qur'an.

    Now the first stage of this multi-step is purposefully carried out.

    During the first stage:

    • in the Islamic world, regimes that are committed to Muslim traditionalism and are not aggressive towards non-believing neighbors are under pressure from the opposition of pseudo-Islamic radical fundamentalists;

    • Outside the Muslim culture distribution area, an image of the enemy is purposefully created, the role of which is assigned to the same pseudo-Islamic fundamentalist radicals who undermine the regimes of Muslim traditionalists and are aggressive towards non-believers.

    Global terrorism under the guise of al-Qaeda served as a solution to these problems, and now ISIS and the “struggle” of the West are using such methods that in the world of Islam they are perceived as aggression of the West. The latter creates in the world of Islam extras for the pseudo-Islamic radical fundamentalists.
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  50. LCA
    LCA 7 November 2015 19: 37 New
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    In one of the variants of the multi-trip described above, Russia is subject to dismemberment in the process of integration into the “caliphate” of peoples professing Islam.

    If this does not succeed, then in another version of the scenario, Russia should become one of the first victims of the aggression of the "caliphate" and the main front and bridgehead in the war of the civilized West against the "barbarism of the caliphate."


    The clergy of traditional Islam, fenced off by the Qur'an and ritualism from God, from the problems of people and societies, live in the interests of momentary self-interest and therefore do not engage in political analytics on a global scale.

    As a result, it does not see this scenario as an appropriately built functional integrity; and if someone sees it, then the momentary self-interest for them is more important than the disinterested work now to prevent disasters, the potential of which has been deliberately created by others for several decades.

    For this reason, traditional Islam is not able to develop a more effective global policy scenario, alternative to the one described above, so as not to be involved in anti-Islamic.

    The leadership of other faiths is essentially the same rituals as the leadership of Muslims, and therefore everything said about the inability of the clergy of Muslim traditionalists to develop and implement an alternative to this scenario applies to them.

    At the same time, convinced that they Christians are working on the biblical doctrine of buying up the world on the basis of the Jewish monopoly on usury, since for 1600 years the existence of "Christianity" after the Council of Nicaea could not develop its global political doctrine, due to the fact that they cannot declare Satanism racial usurious commandments of the Old Testament.

    The failure of the states (both Muslim and Western) involved in the implementation of the described scenario leads to the fact that it can be foiled only by the initiative of people - private individuals and public organizations (both legally registered and not considering it necessary to document their activities).