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Is it possible that TOER threatens the national security of Russia?

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The idea of ​​creating TOER (territories of advanced economic development) excites some minds in our country almost from the moment it appeared as an idea. And when the idea was transformed into law, the noise and cry was raised serious. What a sin to conceal, as a person who is not indifferent to the future of Russia, I also paid attention to this idea. Today I am glad that I did without cries on the topic “Russia was sold to the Chinese” and the like.


Is it possible that TOER threatens the national security of Russia?


However, publications on the topic of TOER still appear in various media and in the Internet space. And, bearing in mind what was said once "A", I decided to say "B", but after conducting some investigation on the topic "Who benefits from the appearance of a TOER and how (if that) to deal with it."

In general, with the TOER from the very beginning of the emergence of the ideas are already fighting. Public figures, scientists and economists. Boldyrev Yu.Yu., Saveliev A.N. ("Great Russia"), Filin V.I. ("For nationalization and deprivatization ..."), Kulikova N.V. (NP "Board of Analysts"), Sivkov K.V. (Academy of Geopolitical Problems), Parshev A.P. ("The Party Cause"), Lisovsky Y.A. (“For the Revival of Russian Science”), Myamlin KE (Institute of High Communitarianism), Kuryanovich N.V. (“Russian Union of All People”), Stepanov F.E. (Expert Center "Strategic Management and Policy").

In their opinion, the law was adopted without broad public discussion and economic justification, as well as taking into account the views of the regions. Moreover, it violates the Constitution of Russia.

Open joint-stock companies and their private subsidiaries are being created, which receive at their disposal the entire territory of priority development zones. And along with the territory they get all the natural resources of these zones, as well as real estate.

Zones are practically exempt from taxes, labor is delivered there without restrictions. Foreigners are allowed to extract and export minerals, hydrocarbons, cut down forests, fish, shoot animals in any quantity and without compensation for damage.

Under the banner of "advanced development", those who disagree want to see the surrender of national wealth in private foreign hands. Allegedly, the population is replaced and the distribution of natural resources. In this case there is no talk about the construction of any production of finished products.

The charges are very serious, it makes sense to figure it out.

To date, nine territories of advanced socio-economic development have been created in the Far East. They decided to start from the Far East, as from a region requiring increased attention.

I propose to get acquainted with the collection of information on all nine TORs, and then to draw conclusions as to how these zones correspond to what their opponents put forward.

"Khabarovsk". Area 587 ha. The main direction - transport and logistics, metallurgy. During the implementation of projects in these territories 3 thousand jobs will be created.

Komsomolsk. The area will be 210 ha. The main areas will be the aircraft industry, the production of components for the aircraft industry. About 3 thousand jobs will be created.

"Nadezhdinskaya". Area 806 ha. It will specialize in the development of transport and logistics services, processing industry, etc. 1,6 thousand jobs will be organized.

"Priamurskaya". Occupies territory in 857 ha. A cement clinker processing plant with a capacity of 142 thousand tons per year, a refinery, and a large logistics center will be built here. The implementation of projects will create about 1,5 thousand jobs.

"Belogorsk". The area will be 702 ha. The main direction is agriculture. The construction of a soybean processing plant, a feed mill and a bakery plant is planned. In the course of project implementation, 700 jobs will be organized. By the way, the bakery has already earned.

"Industrial Park" Kangalassy " It is being created on the territory of the capital of the Republic of Sakha (Yakutia), on land plots of almost 17 ha, and will have industrial specialization. It is assumed that by 2018 there will be 13 factories operating here: for the production of ceramic blocks, paints and varnishes, plastic pipes, dry building mixes, etc. 350 more jobs will appear.

"Beringovsky" (specialization - mining industry) will be created on the territory of a group of coal deposits in the Anadyr district and the city of Anadyr in the Chukotka Autonomous Region. The area of ​​TORA will be almost 6 thousand hectares. 450 jobs will be organized. Processing is expected to 50 million cubic meters. meters of gas into diesel fuel and gasoline, which will ensure the needs of the Chukotka Autonomous Region for energy resources and abandon the Northern delivery of petroleum products.

"Mikhailovskaya". Area 3,15 thousand hectares in Primorsky Krai. Will specialize in agriculture. It is planned to build pig farms, feed mills and auxiliary production. 2,4 thousand jobs will appear.

Kamchatka. The area will be 2,2 thousand hectares. A tourist-recreational cluster, modern industrial-industrial complexes will appear here, and in the future - a transit container port for accumulating and sorting containerized cargo during transportation along the Northern Sea Route. About 3 thousand jobs will be organized.

So what do we see? And we see the following picture. For its objectivity, it is worth to divide the TORs into three categories.

1. Industrial and logistic. 6 TOROV. Their total area is 3179 ha. And the implementation of these projects will create 10 150 jobs.

2. Agriculture, mining, tourism and so on. That is something that requires large areas. Their area will be 11 350 ha and will employ almost 6 thousands of people.

And now let us remember what the area of ​​the subjects of the Federation, on whose territories these TORs are located.

Primorsky Krai - 164 673 square. km
Khabarovsk region - 787 633 square. km
Kamchatka region - 464 275 square. km

Let me remind you that one square kilometer is 100 hectares. Accordingly, the TORA will occupy an area in 145,29 square. km What is the total area in 1 416 581 sq. km even to calculate the percentage does not make any sense.

Obviously, the mass land surrender do not understand who it is. As well as the fact that foreign workers will flood the land. 16 of thousands of jobs is not so much, in principle. However, for regions where the employment situation is catastrophic, this is a great relief.

Of course, in the Primorsky and Khabarovsk territories it is quite possible to attract the work of the same guests from abroad. But this is a matter of domestic policy, and putting it at the proper level will not be a problem.

Let me quote Mr. Miamlin.

“It’s not difficult to guess that these territories stand out for“ our Chinese partners. ”It is supposed that the Chinese will come to us, and they will develop our lands for our money. And we will also get taxes to the treasury from all of this.

Since we are realists, and we have been following the situation for a long time, we understand what it really becomes - into a predatory squandering of our minerals, our resources - for the benefit of the neighboring country. We will only have scorched and shattered land - as it was left by Chinese farmers who have barbarously exploited the leased fields. "


I agree with him only on the very last point. Yes, Chinese farmers have proven far from the best. However, where are Chinese farmers, and where is the mine in Chukotka?

In addition, the TORA Act states that:

Article 4. Financial support for the deployment of infrastructure objects of the territory of advanced socio-economic development

1. Financial support for the deployment of infrastructure objects of the territory of advanced socio-economic development at the expense of the federal budget, the budget of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation and local budgets, as well as extrabudgetary sources of funding.

2. Obligations of the Russian Federation to finance the deployment of infrastructure facilities of the territory of advanced socio-economic development can be fulfilled by:

1) contributing to the share capital of the management company, one hundred percent of shares owned by the Russian Federation and which provides funding for the placement of infrastructure objects of the territory of advanced socio-economic development ...


How the Chinese "will come and take everything", to be honest, in the light of the law is absolutely not clear. In accordance with the words of Miamlin, the Chinese would be able to get what is given to the use of the companies participating in the TOR, on 100% owned by the Russian Federation, China should at least become a subject of the Russian Federation. And this, as you understand, from the field of jokes.

In general, any project has those who support it, and those who are against it. And opponents do not always choose the honest path of struggle. Distortion of facts, "crooked" quotes, frank hysteria. To understand why Myamlin (he is simply the most active) associates are so protesting against TOR, there is simply no desire. And that's why.

The best confirmation of the conclusion that the Torah is not such a perilous idea for Russia, I received on the Irkutsk city portal irkutskmedia.ru. There were several materials on the creation of TOR in the Irkutsk region. And, by the way, the Irkutsk people expressed their discontent. Very much expressed.

Here are just the discontent of the Irkutsk people was not caused by the fact of the establishment of the TOR in the Irkutsk region. And the fact that the list of TOP missed the whole of the Irkutsk region. The list, approved by the government of the Russian Federation, includes only single-industry towns with the most difficult socio-economic situation: Shelekhov and Baikalsk. And now the deputies of the local Legislative Assembly, with the support of their deputies in the State Duma, are fighting for the whole Irkutsk region to be included in the PDA.

That such things in Irkutsk.

Conclusion: TOR - a kind of lifeline for those regions where development actually slowed down more than one year ago. Regions that need to not just develop, which is necessary to start saving.

None of the documents studied (and I had to study it fairly) did not find even the slightest evidence that the development of the regions was planned at the expense of imported labor. Only allegations of incomprehensible "experts" and "scientists."

None of the documents found confirmation that the lands and enterprises will be settled at the expense of some foreign investors, to which they will later withdraw. On the contrary, the mention of the words "federal budget" was more common than anything else. Yes, “other” methods and methods are allowed by the letter of the law, but the federal budget was so choked up that it was necessary to believe. As well as I had to believe that no foreign company would be allowed to manage these TORs.

So, the Torah is not an attempt to surrender Siberia and the Far East to anyone else, as Mr. Myamlin wants to prove, but an attempt to restore what was actually lost during the years of "democracy and restructuring." Yes, democratically rebuilt. Now it is necessary to recover. How much mutilated and sold for nothing.

Yes, in our very difficult and very meaningful time, you need to carefully look three times at the one you are listening to. It seems to be a patriot of Russia, but in actual fact it is not either Filin, not Myamlin ...
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  1. Xarza17
    Xarza17 9 November 2015 07: 59 New
    +8
    This is essentially a concession. In appearance it looks like a buyout for China's support for recent events. The population is rubbed on the ears that everything is supposedly good, everything is fine. The Chinese will then be impossible to expel. Everyone knows what a referendum is. After 49 years, time will tell! I'm not going to argue with anyone and prove something. Just expressing my opinion. Good intentions ... I myself was born and live in Yakutia. Provider MegaFon. Xs why amer flag
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 9 November 2015 09: 14 New
      -2
      "По виду выглядит как откуп за поддержку Китаем недавних событий."- Ну не похож Путин на игрока в поддавки. Всё-таки надо больше надеяться на патриотизм и дальновидность нашего президента,(что он чётко доказал всему миру), а не плакать заранее.
      1. bastard
        bastard 9 November 2015 10: 56 New
        +9
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Still, we must rely more on the patriotism and foresight of our president (which he clearly proved to the whole world), and not cry in advance.

        Патриотизм у Великого и Ужасного так и прёт из всех щелей. Я только и слышу, как он в течение 15 лет пребывания у власти регулярно произносит мантры и заклинания, что типа к нам щас выстроятся в очередь иностранные инвесторы и наперебой станут предлагать инвестиции, инновации, генерации и прочие онанотехнологии. Надо только создать благоприятный инвестиционный климат (пообещать всё чуть ли не даром что ли?) и капиталисты всего мира, толкаясь и перекусав друг друга, задыхаясь от счастья, перебегут в тёплую и уютную Россию на ПМЖ с проклятого Запада, прихватив с собой свои капиталы и семьи заодно. Бросят к чертям свои Ниццы, Альпы, Монаки и прочие Таити с Фиджами и ломанутся в русскую Сибирь и на крайний Север, где отапливать и освещать производственные площади нужно 8-10 месяцев в году, а ведь их надо ещё и построить. Где нет дорог и нормальных коммуникаций, где "только самолётом (вертолётом) можно долететь", где гнус и комары, где зимой струя (ага, та самая!) замерзает, пока долетит до земли, где болота размером с европейскую страну и т. д.
        Солнцеподобному уже не раз "повелители" мира сего указали место в углу на коврике, как максимум - на приставном стульчике и слушаться "старших", вспомните ну, хотя бы попытку купить "Опель": индусам продали "Ленд-Ровер", а нам "Опель" - фигушки. И так во всём! Мы просто многого не знаем, потому как - демократия. Не положено электорату много знать, гостайна! Ваше дело - "выбрать" президента, а теперь пшли вон, уж он сам знает что Абрамовичу отдать, а что - Ротенбергам, Берл-Лазар подскажет, если что. Высказал же ведь пожелание, что в Крыму необходимо срочно построить как можно больше синагог.

        PS:
        I remember that the president once personally said that having entered the WTO, we will begin to live better, that the grub and cars will become cheaper, that we will almost skate in oil like cheese. So how is it?
        The words and deeds of the Radiant diverge, however, only not for his inner circle. And the people - and to hell with him, we populate a Russian from Uzbeks and Chinese. After all, Russia needs migrants, Putin himself has repeatedly said. About 15 million are already tons and another 15 million are required: a total of -30 million in addition to the population of Russia.
        Want a secret? Only to anyone! Huh?
        There is such an international situation: if 60% or more of the titular (state-forming) nation lives in the country, then the state is considered mono-ethnic. Well, then yourself.
        A bit of paranoia for dessert:
        1. antoXa
          antoXa 9 November 2015 18: 05 New
          -2
          bastard
          so what did you want to say with all this? What is the country on the genus in it
          the conclusion from your words is only that which begs it, do not write as much next time ...
          1. bastard
            bastard 9 November 2015 18: 54 New
            +4
            Quote: antoXa
            bastard
            so what did you want to say with all this? What is the country on the genus in it

            But this, just, I did not want to say. But the patience of our people, I never cease to be amazed, although I myself am so.
            Our country is the most beautiful, I would think as you write, I would have fallen for a long time. You were mistaken, it’s not about the country that I write, but about a small group of scoundrels who have seized power and money, who do not care about the fate of my country. I wish you good health! hi
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 9 November 2015 15: 14 New
      +1
      This is essentially a concession. In appearance it looks like a buyout for China's support for recent events. The population is rubbed on the ears that everything is supposedly good, everything is fine.


      I wonder if you read the article? After all, it is written in black and white. OJSC will be with 100% budget financing. And to attract the Chinese to work is possible and necessary. We are sorely lacking qualified specialists in workers' specialties. See no job postings. At the same time, difficulties in the work of engineers. Therefore, if our engineers are put over the Chinese workers, this will be a good way out in the industrial breakthrough of the Far East. True, it seems that it has been more than a year since the TOP in Khabarovsk was announced. It seems that even near the airport they started to do something, they demolished almost the entire forest planting between the airport and the Matveevskoye highway, but in the summer everything somehow died out. The only profit, now how to go home, you can admire the planes directly from the window of the car or trolley / minibus.
      1. bastard
        bastard 9 November 2015 18: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: alicante11
        We are sorely lacking qualified specialists in workers' specialties.

        We have enough specialist workers, however, age from 40 onwards. They do not take to work, because, they say, age. Like, the young are not controlled. True, then they call me some time to work, when the youngsters cut the marriage, it is necessary to correct it. This is where they come running, they promise the golden mountains, and after swaying they will take the money, they swam, we know. My profession is a turner, I can work on other metal cutting machines, I can cook-solder-tin, there are crusts of an electrician and a driver of mobile power plants, I understand the repair of automobile units, because I’m a machine tool. We in the USSR had where, what and from whom to learn. Within 3 hours, I can call 40-50 of the same professional workers with related professions who can work on ancient machines broken in the trash without CNC, but the question of remuneration and the organization of a workplace is very expensive, money farmers are sorry even for that, not to mention the salary.
        From the experience of personal life:
        В конце 2007 г., когда рухнула моя маленькая мехмастерская, пошёл я перекантоваться к торгашам, сел на их старенькую, раздолбанную "Газель" с будкой карбюратор-газ-бензин продукты грузить-развозить по ларькам и магазинчикам. Машина была типа после капремонта движка в фирменном СТО, но жрала газ больше 30л/100. Привёл в порядок газовое оборудование, перетряхнул полдвижка, отрегулировал всё, прикрутил суппорта передних тормозов (были просто так вставлены, без болтов!), стала как часики. Расход газа упал до 14-15 л по городу, если тапку не в пол.
        On the payday, the director said:
        - Well, see, Sergey Nikolaevich, in addition to your salary of 8000, we have also been awarded a prize of as much as 500 rubles. We have another car there, is there any desire to fix it? The firm pays.

        I hope everyone understands in which direction she needed to go.

        Quote: alicante11
        Therefore, if our engineers are put over the Chinese workers, this will be a good way out in the industrial breakthrough of the Far East.

        Не все инженеры владеют китайским, а работать с ними через переводчика трудновато будет. У нас на заводе вьетнамцы "работали", через переводчика, коммуниздили медь, люминь, контактные группы с пускателей, эл. моторы (даже 50-70 кВт!), в общем, всё, что можно и не можно. Рядом поляки строили что-то, да так и не построили, мы так и не поняли что. За три года только грейдером выровняли площадку 200 х 500 м. Тоже только воровали, барыжили и скупали нашу "неконкурентоспособную" продукцию в магазинах и на базах. Зато гонора и спеси - хоть отбавляй.
        Let the pig sit at the table, as they say.
        Quote: alicante11
        True, it seems that it has been more than a year since the TOP in Khabarovsk was announced.

        Wow! Progress Popper! laughing
        Quote: alicante11
        It seems that even near the airport they started to do something, they demolished almost the entire forest planting between the airport and the Matveevskoye highway, but in the summer everything somehow died out.

        So it will continue until there is something to cut or export (to steal, that is)
        Sorry if in places it was too incorrect and harsh in the statements. hi
  2. CONTROL
    CONTROL 9 November 2015 08: 18 New
    +5
    Yes, good!
    None of the documents found confirmation that the land and enterprises will be developed at the expense of certain foreign investors
    А вот это - зря! Потому что - по опыту "общения" - At the expense of the federal budget: doubtful ...the budget of the subject of the Russian Federation and local budgets: even more doubtful! And here extrabudgetary funding sources - более реалистично звучит, да и по жизни проверено! А уж проследить, чтобы не изгадили и не испоганили "с хищническим разбазариванием..." - вот это в Законе дОлжно присутствовать! А "хищнически" можно любой бюджет попилить, хоть федеральный, хоть местный - опыт есть...А вот "внебюджетный" - читай, мои личные бабки, - разве что в размере "представительских расходов в виде мелких взяток крупным и средним чиновникам-взяткополучателям...под страхом "распубликования" в виде прилагаемого бонуса...
  3. Begemot
    Begemot 9 November 2015 08: 44 New
    +8
    He put a plus to the article, but, for me, the adoption of the law on ASEZs is noteworthy from the point of view that the state thereby indirectly recognized: within the framework of existing legislation, development in the country is impossible, otherwise there would be no need to introduce a rule on the suspension of legislation in the territories of the Republic of Lithuania. In my opinion, all of Russia should be a territory of priority development, we have everything for this. A deep revision of the legislation and a change in the liberal official-oligarchic model of the economy are needed.
    1. bastard
      bastard 9 November 2015 11: 09 New
      +9
      Quote: Begemot
      for me, the adoption of the law on ASEZs is noteworthy from the point of view that the state thereby indirectly recognized: within the framework of existing legislation, development in the country is impossible,

      And for me, the adoption of the law on the ASEZs signed the existing power of complete inability and unwillingness to manage a huge country and wisely dispose of its wealth and resources.
      Почему-то власть решила, что всё надо срочно продавать: нефть, газ, лес и т. д., вот тогда поживём! А что мы оставим нашим потомкам из того, что оставили нам наши предки? Как говорил ненавидимый Путиным и либеральным правительством И. В. Сталин: "Торговать недрами - торговать Родиной!"
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 9 November 2015 15: 18 New
        0
        For some reason, the government decided that everything had to be urgently sold: oil, gas, timber, etc.,


        I wonder what minerals found in the Khabarovsk TOP? Or do you mean that the reduced forest belt was sent for export to China? So there is no commercial wood.
        1. bastard
          bastard 9 November 2015 16: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: alicante11
          I wonder what minerals found in the Khabarovsk TOP?

          And only Khabarovsk went under the TOR?

          The state of the mineral resource base of the Khabarovsk Territory:

          Khabarovsk Territory is one of the largest regions of Russia in terms of potential mineral resources. Profiling for the economy of the region are alluvial deposits of gold and platinum, deposits of ore gold, tin, alunite, hard coal and brown coal. There are prerequisites for identifying unique and large deposits of complex apatite-ilmenite-titanomagnetite vanadium-containing ores, nickel, cobalt, copper, iron, manganese, alunite, zircon. The areas promising for rare earths, tungsten, platinum group minerals, oil and gas have been identified.

          details here:
          http://www.tvernedra.ru/news/nid182.html
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 10 November 2015 14: 33 New
            0
            The state of the mineral resource base of the Khabarovsk Territory:


            Dear, I’m talking about the Khabarovsk TOER. There are several of them in the region and they are all listed in the article, mainly infrastructure projects. Therefore, I asked you what minerals were found near the Khabarovsk airport. This is a specific place of the TOER
  4. dokusib
    dokusib 9 November 2015 09: 29 New
    +2
    I live in the Irkutsk region. I did not know that from Shelekhov and Baikalsk they made TORs. But the fact that there are cities with a slightly more deplorable state of social and economic development is beyond doubt. Although yes, BPPM in Baikalsk was closed. The Shelekhov aluminum plant seems to be doing something.
  5. Samarin
    Samarin 9 November 2015 09: 29 New
    10
    обошелся без криков на тему "Россию продали китайцам" и тому подобного.

    Да не "продали", а за просто так отдают.
  6. Hort
    Hort 9 November 2015 10: 01 New
    +3
    So the TORs are not an attempt to surrender Siberia and the Far East to anyone,

    китайские "фермеры" прекрасно себя чувствуют и вне ТОРов - в Западной Сибири той же берёзу выпиливают только в путь.
    Ну а об экологических последствиях деятельности рисовых фермеров уже можно и не вспоминать - наверно с два тома "Войны и мира" наберётся статей
  7. Belousov
    Belousov 9 November 2015 12: 04 New
    +4
    Учитывая ст.4: "Article 4. Financial support for the deployment of infrastructure objects of the territory of advanced socio-economic development

    1. Financial support for the placement of infrastructure facilities of the territory of priority social and economic development is carried out at the expense of the federal budget, the budget of the subject of the Russian Federation and local budgets, as well as extrabudgetary sources of financing.
    " мы видим еще один распилочный проект. Строится однозначно будут за федеральный и облбюджет, а пользоваться, получать и выводить прибыль будут совсем другие. Как впрочем и всегда у нас. К сожалению... angry
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 9 November 2015 19: 33 New
      +2
      Belousov SU Today, 12:04 PM

      we see another sawing project. They will definitely be built for the federal and regional budgets, while others will use, receive and withdraw profits. As well as always with us. Sorry ... angry


      Согласен полностью, сам пытался сформулировать, слово "распил" ни как вспомнить не смог( к концу рабочего дня голова плохо варит repeat ) belay
  8. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 9 November 2015 12: 11 New
    +3
    "Беринговский" (специализация — горнодобывающая промышленность) будет создан in the group of coal deposits in the Anadyr region and Anadyr, Chukotka Autonomous Okrug. The area of ​​the ASEZ will be almost 6 thousand hectares. Will be organized 450 jobs. It is expected to process up to 50 million cubic meters. m of gas to diesel fuel and gasoline, which will meet the energy needs of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug and abandon the Northern delivery of petroleum products. (C)

    Even if all jobs were created only in the coal industry, then 450 people are just one mine. Not the largest. And was it worth in Anadyr because of this to fence the garden with this TOR-shmor?
    Again, why do we need foreigners to develop our territories? For some reason, the USSR had enough funds for this, but Russia does not.
  9. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 9 November 2015 12: 44 New
    +2
    How the Chinese "will come and take everything", to be honest, in the light of the law is absolutely not clear. In accordance with the words of Miamlin, the Chinese would be able to get what is given to the use of the companies participating in the TOR, on 100% owned by the Russian Federation, China should at least become a subject of the Russian Federation. And this, as you understand, from the field of jokes.


    В нашей стране, к сожалению, понятие "в свете закона" относится к разряду "из области анекдота". И это относиться к любой теме, а не только к ТОРам.

    Something like this, life shows, Dear colleagues. hi
  10. KUOLEMA
    KUOLEMA 9 November 2015 12: 49 New
    +7
    When I hear the words- slogans of nanotechnology innovation Toera and stuff I feel somewhere people want it again .. In short, to deceive
  11. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 9 November 2015 13: 00 New
    +7
    Прикольно, если сдачу территорий обозвать - "Территория опережающего развития", то это уже вроде и круто. Если аферы чубайса обозвать - приватизация, то вроде уже всё и законно. А есть ещё масса прекрасных названий - наносколковопарк и вот уже никого не удивляет бездонная бочка куда уходят деньги, а на выходе только "лекции" мастеров-распильщиков-предателей за сотни тысяч у.е. Распил единой энергетической системы в 2008-м обозвали - реорганизация, все проглотили. Вангую, сдачу островов японии обзовут - "наконец-то заключён долгожданный мирный договор, отсутствие которого мешало развитию полноценных добрососедских отношений между нашими странами, перемога!", народ скажет - "Ураааа! Теперь то мы заживём!". Интересно как раздел России обзовут, что бы народу понравилось?
  12. yuriy55
    yuriy55 9 November 2015 14: 23 New
    +2
    There are many different names. Do you want - TOP, Do you want - TOER, you can - TAUER. True, there is a certain problem in those who want to go to the TOPs. I remember how a cry was thrown for the development of the Far East, and young girls and children went from all the republics of the Soviet Union. We went on Komsomol trips, went and just like that. Now, in our time, are there forces capable of raising, leading and leading? ... Call me.
    So it turns out that the development of our lands in the east will begin with the help of the Chinese brothers. Maybe someone has doubts? Do not hesitate, this is a well-known fact ... what

    One thing can be said, the Russians will not want to go to the TAUER Auger, or rather, not everyone will want to, or rather, not everyone will be able to ... hi
  13. Xarza17
    Xarza17 9 November 2015 16: 13 New
    +4
    In our country there are many people with working specialties. Why attract foreigners when you can just start paying workers normally. Make an average salary of 70-80 thousand and people will go to work! I am an electric welder of the 5th category, at home I can’t find a job with normal pay. A salary of 20 thousand is offered. In the north. A kilogram of sugar here costs 69 rubles, a dozen eggs cost 80, normal bread 40. Electricity 3.10 kilowatts. A gasoline costs 40.30 per liter 95. You also have to pay for an apartment, buy clothes. Well, something like this. But if we take a lot of Chinese to work in the TOER, what will be better from this?
  14. dmb
    dmb 9 November 2015 16: 41 New
    +2
    "Я планов наших люблю громадье, размаха шаги саженьи...",- но эти стихи Маяковского имели реальное воплощение. А вот ныне "прекрасный план" вызывает настороженность. У нас уже были свободные экономические зоны, которые чего-то там должны были развить. Одна из них Ингушетия. В нее правда до сих пор вбухивают громадные суммы из бюджета, а она остается одной из самых дотационных и первых по безработице. Особенно радостно за Якутию, где 13 заводов дадут аж 350 рабочих мест. Вот это промышленные гиганты, куда Магнитке.
  15. pentarhist
    pentarhist 9 November 2015 16: 47 New
    +3
    .
    Article 17. The special legal regime for entrepreneurial and other activities in the territory of advanced social and economic development provides: preferential rental rates (clause 2), priority connection to infrastructures (clause 5), exemption from customs duties (clause 7) , exemption from property tax and land tax (paragraph 8).

    Those. The Russian budget gets almost nothing (especially, taking into account the additions that we indicated below).

    В Статье 18 очень закамуфлировано, по отношению к первоначальному (правительственному) варианту закона (см. ст.20), написано, что «особенности трудовой деятельности лиц, работающих у резидентов территорий опережающего социально-экономического развития, устанавливаются Трудовым Кодексом РФ». Т.е. на первый взгляд "все нормально". Однако, при этом в Федеральном законе от 31.12.2014 № 519-ФЗ «О внесении изменений в отдельные законодательные акты Российской Федерации в связи с принятием Федерального закона "О территориях опережающего социально-экономического развития в Российской Федерации"», установлено, что:
    "...
    1) obtaining permits to attract and use foreign workers is not required;

    2) a work permit to a foreign citizen involved in work activities by a resident of the territory of advanced social and economic development is issued without taking into account quotas for issuing invitations to foreign citizens to enter the Russian Federation for the purpose of labor activity, as well as issuing work permits to foreign citizens established by the Government of the Russian Federation in accordance with the law ... "

    (Now all of China, in full force, can freely move to Siberia and the Far East)

    Those. the original government version was simply "smeared" according to two laws, so that without a meticulous check ...

    http://3rm.info/publications/54060-u-rossii-ukrali-sibir-i-dalniy-vostok.html
  16. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 9 November 2015 19: 26 New
    0
    I can’t tell you how upset I was, although I didn’t catch up on a lot of things on this topic. I often look online at the village where I lived before school. All the same. The same house-barracks. The same store was manufactured, the only one. There, the Chinese occupied everything. The Russians were complaining. I don’t know if the Japanese are poaching now? It used to be.
    Khabarovsk, if on the network, of course became more interesting.
  17. hitech
    hitech 9 November 2015 19: 49 New
    0
    TOR is a great attraction for couch political scientists who were not even in Khabar. They didn’t feel the people there, they didn’t try the local climate, but they talk enthusiastically about what they have no idea.
  18. hitech
    hitech 9 November 2015 19: 55 New
    +2
    In Chita, the Chinas developed well too, they took away the forest by trains, they fertile land under zero, they do not spare chemicals for vegetables ... I read such breathtaking articles by local optimists and a mean man’s tear well. When will we start to organize something ourselves and hand out pendals to your lazy people? We are all waiting for when they will do everything for us?
  19. Shpagolom
    Shpagolom 10 November 2015 18: 15 New
    0
    Quote: hitech
    In Chita, the Chinas developed well too, they took away the forest by trains, they fertile land under zero, they do not spare chemicals for vegetables ... I read such breathtaking articles by local optimists and a mean man’s tear well. When will we start to organize something ourselves and hand out pendals to your lazy people? We are all waiting for when they will do everything for us?

    ....лентяи это мы с вами,а пендалей надо давать "вождям" за то,что предприимчивым и желающим работать,созидать нет места в стране!
  20. ivmihk
    ivmihk 11 November 2015 18: 11 New
    0
    Спасать регионы надо прежде всего от действующей власти, которая за последние 15 лет привела их в упадок, имея при этом неограниченные возможности для их развития без каких-либо "особенных" законов. У нас нет и не может быть гарантий, что эта власть, не сумевшая что-либо развить за предыдущую историю, наконец-то правильно распорядится взятыми ей самой дополнительными полномочиями.
  21. _GSVG_
    _GSVG_ 15 November 2015 23: 55 New
    0
    The Chinese are already in Primorye, demanding seats in elected bodies, in local councils, issuing a newspaper in Chinese, demanding TV in Chinese - at the expense of the natural budget of the Russian Federation, and there they will pretend for elections to governors and mayors.
    6.000 of jobs is far from a fact, as Skomorokhov is iridescently pouring in here, that these will be jobs for Russian citizens. And the harsh realities claim just the opposite - everything will be there for the Chinese, there is an opinion that the fires in Khakassia were not random at all.
    A simple example, several. it was shown on TV years ago, a paper mill or a wood mill, I don’t remember, I bought a china machine, orders suddenly somehow suddenly disappeared, salaries didn’t go away either, people were told to quit, the company went bankrupt. You need to eat, you need to support your family, people were looking for another job. As soon as they got rid of local citizens, so orders appeared and the Chinese appeared at the plant, and the work began to boil. People turned to the prosecutor’s office, answered - the owner is not a citizen of the Russian Federation, but the city of China, we can’t help anything, he is in China. I don’t know how it ended.
    Here is such a special case of TOER at one separate enterprise, even before the appearance of that same toeur.
    They gave licenses for deforestation, so they then grabbed their heads, plots became visible from space.
    Then it will be like in a fairy tale - even worse.