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Report on the armored personnel carrier BTR-MDM "Shell"

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The November issue of Za Rulem publishes Vadim Klochkov’s article Without a Tower, which is a report on the BTR-MDM armored personnel carrier Rakushka. Our blog provides the text of this material.


Armored hull, tower, gun. On such grounds, even a pacifist understands that he faces a formidable military vehicle. But this, crazy - whether a box, or a box - on a crawler, that she can?

Report on the armored personnel carrier BTR-MDM "Shell"


A combat vehicle named Shell made its debut at the May Victory Day parade, but got lost in the background tanks and missile systems. It's a shame! The latest development of our defense industry this year began to flow into the airborne troops.

Full name - BTR-MDM Cockleshell. Specialty: floating airborne armored personnel carrier. To understand its purpose, you need a brief excursion into history blue berets.

In the military, there are not just famous people, but pillars. Modern airborne troops without exaggeration are built by the legendary “Batey” - Army General Vasily Filippovich Margelov. It was he who made the landing troops highly maneuverable, protected by armor and possessing sufficient fire effectiveness. With him, armored vehicles began to land with the crew inside.



Margelovskaya ideology of the use of military vehicles still exists today. Three units of armored tracked vehicles, that is, a platoon, must be transported and paratrooped from one aircraft. Without going into details: this imposes a number of restrictions on the size and weight of the landing craft. The newly adopted BMD-4M, the classic combat vehicle with a turret and a cannon, corresponds to them. She takes on board three crew members and five paratroopers. On the platform unified with it, the Shell was also created. In the transport IL-76 also breaks three BTR-MDM. What has changed?
Minus tower with weapons, plus the number of seats. Two crewmembers and thirteen paratroopers can be accommodated in Rakushka! And that's not it. Transporter has a lot of talents. It can be not only an armored bus, but also a two-ton truck, medical, engineer or communication vehicle. Able to support the infantry with the fire of two machine guns, but frontal attacks are not his vocation. But it will take the fighters to the firing lines, bring up ammunition, evacuate the wounded. Combined actions of platform-based BMD-4M and BTR-MDM are perfectly suited for the implementation of the Margil concept of mobile connections.

The body of the conveyor is welded, the so-called log type. It consists of a department of control, a troop compartment and an engine compartment. Bulletproof armor. The engine is a multi-fuel atmospheric diesel UTD-29 with a capacity of 500 l. with. In the undercarriage, on each side, there are four supporting and five supporting rollers on pneumatic-hydraulic compressors. The working ground clearance is 450 mm, but it can be reduced to 130 mm or increased to 530 mm. What for? For example, a car can get into some transport planes, only thoroughly “sitting down”.



Inclined hatch in the aft of the cabin is open - I look into the bowels of the Seashell. How spacious is here! Usually, armored vehicles are large on the outside and small on the inside, while the new transporter is the opposite. I think the seats: yeah, thirteen in the troop compartment and four in front of the car. It turned out two more than stated in the passport data. Where are the extras? These are chairs for landing crew in the car. The commander and the driver land in them, and then transplanted to the regular seats. There are six hatches in the armored personnel carrier, but it’s easy to get from edge to edge from the middle compartment to the driver’s seat in the control compartment.

Least of all space from the commander. His chair is surrounded by instruments and optics, and the hatch is perhaps the narrowest. It is not surprising: next to it on the roof are the fastening elements of a remotely controlled circular shelling machine gun, aiming and instrument complexes and an illuminator. Another machine gun, course, installed in front of the right, in front of the seat of the paratrooper. It is also quite comfortable here.

The workplace of the driver is similar to that in the BMD-4M. Instead of the steering wheel - the steering wheel. Near the lever of a four-stage semi-automatic gearbox. Two pedals: gas and brake. The chair is easy to lift up to operate the machine, with his head in the open hatch.

In a combat situation (with the hatch closed), they are guided by three periscopic observation devices, and the central one, if necessary, is replaced by a night vision device. There are no analog devices in Rakushka. At the disposal of the driver a huge display of digital information and control system. All parameters - temperature, pressure, voltage, speed, speed, etc. - are displayed on a color LCD screen.

In the troop compartment on each side of the three double seats. They look rustic, but comfortable. It's nice that the knees of a tall man do not rest on the backs of the front seats. These seats can be folded to the sides. If you need to transport boxes of ammunition, barrels of fuel, spare parts and other goods, they are secured with belts. Along the sides - devices for fixing a stretcher with the wounded. Stretcher can be placed in three tiers.

In the shell there is an outdoor air cleaning system with a filtering unit. Importantly, the cabin does not leak the smoke of its own diesel. The engine compartment is well insulated from habitable compartments.



The BTR-MDM had a predecessor that was put into service in the 1974 year, an airborne carrier. Was considered a good machine and became the basis of countless modifications. It is curious that, unlike other Soviet armored vehicles, it was never exported. The novelty surpasses the old conveyor in all respects: it is better armored, the engine is twice as powerful. So the Shell has every chance of becoming an equally versatile and sought-after machine. The current commander of the Airborne Forces, Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov, has announced plans to re-equip the paratroopers: by 2025, the troops should receive fifteen hundred new BMD-4М and two and a half thousand BTR-MDM.

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http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/824306-btr-mdm-rakushka-bez-bashni/
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Konstantin Yakubov, Vladimir Prizemlin and the online publication “Protect Russia”
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  1. La-5
    La-5 8 November 2015 06: 30 New
    -4
    A significant drawback of Shells I see a high and narrow entrance for the landing.
    1. gjv
      gjv 8 November 2015 07: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: La-5
      A significant drawback of Shells I see a high and narrow entrance for the landing.

      Is it so tall and so narrow (given the necessary structural strength)?







      Especially considering that the width of the inner passage - per paratrooper.
      1. exalex2
        exalex2 8 November 2015 08: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: gjv
        and so narrow

        Most likely the landing will be "rolling". Judging by the photo, none of the designers experienced it on themselves. However, like me. But the photo cannot be changed. Obviously not what you need ..
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 8 November 2015 18: 23 New
          +4
          exalex2

          This mouse is not intended to participate in fire contact. Its purpose, transport support and life support of the troop compartment. They tried to make the exit as convenient as possible, taking into account the main purpose of the machine in the first place.
        2. dima mzk
          dima mzk 8 November 2015 23: 47 New
          +3
          It’s quite an excellent landing machine, there is an info center, an armored capsule for hp embarrassed? so if you barely walk on the steps then yes, why climb there? a protected exit from bullets, go roll around
      2. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 8 November 2015 08: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: gjv
        Is it so tall and so narrow

        the video has both boarding and alighting

      3. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 November 2015 09: 03 New
        +4
        Curious why the paratroopers are sitting facing in the direction of travel? After all, the landing is done from behind, they need to deploy for this (in a tight landing compartment in full gear, I do not think it is convenient), having lost precious seconds.
        1. gjv
          gjv 8 November 2015 13: 49 New
          +9
          Quote: Wedmak
          Curious why the paratroopers are sitting facing in the direction of travel?

          The paratroopers of course are trained guys. Nevertheless, the influence of the vestibular apparatus on spatial orientation is best minimized. Accordingly, the field of view is directed in the direction of movement (in case of disorientation, which can occur after a long forward movement with your back in a closed space without windows, the loss of seconds can be much larger). hi
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 8 November 2015 18: 27 New
          +3
          Wedmak

          It is only the cowboys in westerns who at the last second grabs the revolver and begin to peel from the hip.

          No one in a lightly armored vehicle will land an assault directly under enemy fire. They will sit in such a way that without haste and safely.
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    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 8 November 2015 14: 47 New
      +1
      Not convinced, to be honest, of the need for such an expensive armored "bus". Probably, all the same, it is better for the paratrooper to be patient, but to have a 4m BMD with its armament system behind in support, and not this certainly convenient pepelats. If you just need to carry paratroopers, then this can be done on lighter vehicles (the experience of the Americans with their hummers), in extreme cases on the BMD armor. In general, the experience of daily operation and combat use will show. soldierPS could even put decency on this cart for decency, at least something in the military sense would be ...
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 8 November 2015 19: 10 New
        +6
        marlin1203

        Let's proceed from the goals and purposes of the landing.

        I am not an expert, but to the point that the first comes. Deep intelligence of enemy defense. Targeting rocket-artillery, airspace weapons. Disorganization of the supply of rear services, headquarters and communications. The primary capture and retention of slightly strengthened foci of enemy defense, before the approach of the main forces. Sabotage work.

        Question. Where do you see the role of a well-armed and armored vehicle?

        All that is needed is such a "shell" which was provided.

        An airborne combat vehicle has a role to support an airborne assault, but it is completely different.
      2. zoriprit
        zoriprit 8 November 2015 19: 13 New
        +3
        under all other conditions, it is more profitable to have equipment in the unit on the same base (patency, repair suitability, etc.) the wheels are good ... but they don’t float ..
        for installing ATGMs, one (2) arm (approx. 20 cm high) on the roof of the hatch is enough so I think they are there ...
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 8 November 2015 06: 43 New
    +1
    At least something ... but to sacrifice a full-fledged commander’s place is too fat. So it begs to organize a commander’s place on the site of the central hatch, full, like on a tank with the possibility of installing a cliff. Now there is the experience of Almaty, install surveillance cameras, as an addition with the ability to work in various modes. Extend the hull with a raised side, they will cover the landing at the exit, with the installation places on the sides of the machine guns. On board well, at least one firing point for seeing the fire did not hurt to do the same, perhaps a detachable machine gun.
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 18: 32 New
      +2
      it's all the extra pounds .. and weight is of the essence ..
      1. Strashila
        Strashila 14 November 2015 13: 22 New
        +1
        Yes, it matters, but if it helps to survive the landing, then it’s worth it.
        There is a war without flanks ... all-round visibility and the possibility of conducting round-fire fire is vital.
        The lack of bulwarks is not only a cover for paratroopers at the exit or an opportunity to place it outside while moving, but also a cover from a grenade launcher shot in the landing hatch.
        1. zoriprit
          zoriprit 14 November 2015 20: 26 New
          0
          The first thing that matters for the TVDT (heavy airborne equipment) is the possibility of landing itself ... the false side does not allow the vehicle to enter the plane .. in width
  3. exalex2
    exalex2 8 November 2015 08: 16 New
    +7
    "All parameters - temperature, pressure, voltage, revolutions, speed, etc. - are displayed on a color LCD screen"
    Who was interested in THIS on the "liquid crystal screen" and when ?? Maybe it is used for something else, then it's clear. To present it as an "achievement" .. Doubtful.
    1. Manul
      Manul 9 November 2015 16: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: exalex2
      "All parameters - temperature, pressure, voltage, revolutions, speed, etc. - are displayed on a color LCD screen"

      And when one universal screen fails, do we go blind and stupid? Why not duplicate analog devices? It is very interesting whether there is a spare screen in the spare parts and how they withstand a hard landing.
  4. samara-58
    samara-58 8 November 2015 08: 47 New
    +4
    Time and troops will check! Place "drove" - ​​SPACE !!! soldier
    1. ICT
      ICT 8 November 2015 09: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Samara-58
      Place "drove" - ​​SPACE !!!


      especially sidushka wassat , with traces of berets
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 8 November 2015 13: 02 New
        +5
        Quote: TIT
        Quote: Samara-58
        Place "drove" - ​​SPACE !!!


        especially sidushka wassat , with traces of berets

        Do you propose to put on slippers before boarding your armor? Have you been respected in a tank park or at a training ground at least once? And they drove on the armor, not to mention management and operation.
        1. ICT
          ICT 8 November 2015 13: 50 New
          +7
          Quote: pv1005
          or have you been to the training ground at least once?


          I live on it (well, practically),
          so if not from the park, but really from the landfill, then it turns out to be the fifth point in the mud.

          Quote: pv1005
          Do you offer


          I suggest just thinking about the drugs that operate the equipment, otherwise they put the LCD screen, and the lazy one should modify the seat (lateral support. Internal depreciation, etc.). That's what I’m talking about
          1. exalex2
            exalex2 12 November 2015 14: 03 New
            0
            Quote: TIT
            Quote: pv1005
            or have you been to the training ground at least once?


            I live on it (well, practically),
            so if not from the park, but really from the landfill, then it turns out to be the fifth point in the mud.

            Quote: pv1005
            Do you offer


            I suggest just thinking about the drugs that operate the equipment, otherwise they put the LCD screen, and the lazy one should modify the seat (lateral support. Internal depreciation, etc.). That's what I’m talking about

            How stupid you have to ... In order not to understand such simple things.
  5. pimen
    pimen 8 November 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    if they like such a scheme, then the rear platform above the engine should be designed as a body, and without a side difference in height
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 8 November 2015 11: 09 New
      0
      pimen
      and without height difference



      ... without a difference it will be much higher ...... well, if you think about it ... get out of the T-15 ... to the ground ... and from the shell ... to the armor .... wink
      1. pimen
        pimen 8 November 2015 11: 24 New
        0
        no, well, if you really need a utilitarian machine, then why not in the spirit of m113?
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 8 November 2015 15: 15 New
          +1
          .... the car is a unity: body, transmission, engine and control system .... the base is bmd-4m and not m113
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 8 November 2015 19: 20 New
          0
          pimen

          M113, it is an underdeveloped BMP and an overdeveloped BT. Two in one or neither.

          "Shell" is a caterpillar transporter for life support of the airborne squad cut off from the troops. In order to carry a havchik and spare ammunition, and the rear door in it is not so much for the convenience of quickly leaving the car, but rather for facilitating the loading of personnel. Jump quickly and run until they pile up.
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    2. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 18: 37 New
      0
      1. there is a landing system above the engine ...
      2. there is a shield covering (and opening) the engine ..
      3. It (shield) is also made in the form of a tank for fuel!
  6. kvs207
    kvs207 8 November 2015 11: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    Curious why the paratroopers are sitting facing in the direction of travel? After all, the landing is done from behind, they need to deploy for this (in a tight landing compartment in full gear, I do not think it is convenient), having lost precious seconds.

    And in my opinion, a strange layout. Rather, it is a vehicle for transporting soldiers some distance. I think that the engine is in front and a comfortable rear hatch is preferable.
    1. avt
      avt 8 November 2015 12: 23 New
      +8
      Quote: kvs207
      . Rather, it is a vehicle for transporting soldiers some distance.

      laughing laughing laughing Read the article. THE WHOLE WHOLE did not try to read? wassat And then you would know a lot of interesting things, for example, this is -
      It can be not only an armored bus, but also a two-ton truck, a medical, sapper or communications vehicle. Able to support the infantry with the fire of two machine guns, but frontal attacks are not his calling. But it will deliver the soldiers to the firing lines, deliver ammunition, evacuate the wounded. The joint actions of the platform BMD-4M and BTR-MDM are perfectly suited for the implementation of the Margelov concept of mobile connections
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 8 November 2015 12: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: avt
        Quote: kvs207
        . Rather, it is a vehicle for transporting soldiers some distance.

        laughing laughing laughing Read the article. THE WHOLE WHOLE did not try to read? wassat And then you would know a lot of interesting things, for example, this is -
        It can be not only an armored bus, but also a two-ton truck, a medical, sapper or communications vehicle. Able to support the infantry with the fire of two machine guns, but frontal attacks are not his calling. But it will deliver the soldiers to the firing lines, deliver ammunition, evacuate the wounded. The joint actions of the platform BMD-4M and BTR-MDM are perfectly suited for the implementation of the Margelov concept of mobile connections

        Why read, much less think? Once. It is necessary to hit and lay out your "all-encompassing" opinion as soon as possible on the buttons.
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      3. gjv
        gjv 8 November 2015 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        It can be not only an armored bus, but also a two-ton truck, a medical, sapper or communications vehicle.


        transportation of the wounded


        transportation of ammunition, property


        transportation of fuels and lubricants
    2. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 18: 40 New
      0
      the engine cannot be in front - the weight distribution changes; it will not be possible to drop. Based on this, all the landing equipment has an engine in the back
  7. washi
    washi 8 November 2015 11: 38 New
    +3
    Normal car. Of course it requires tuning in the form of body kits from dynamic armor, etc.
    You can still soft seats, a bar, an external review as in f-35.
    But all this is removable.
    1. soaring
      soaring 8 November 2015 16: 14 New
      +4
      This vehicle is not "FOR" the frontline, but for the transportation of "K" forward personnel. Therefore, dynamic armor is somewhat redundant and heavy equipment. Why spoil the performance characteristics of a good device !? You can also put the chairs from the Merc, but it is for us, or rather they (the landing party) need?))) We will wait for army tests and modifications. Yours faithfully! drinks
  8. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 8 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: La-5
    A significant drawback of Shells I see a high and narrow entrance for the landing.


    In MTLB worse.
    1. Disant
      Disant 8 November 2015 22: 50 New
      +3
      what is worse? so that you are loading from the ground, and not jumping as a saiga up? and if the leg hurts? and if what to ship (wounded)? and if there is already shelling, and if ..there are a lot.
    2. Disant
      Disant 8 November 2015 22: 50 New
      -1
      what is worse? so that you are loading from the ground, and not jumping as a saiga up? and if the leg hurts? and if what to ship (wounded)? and if there is already shelling, and if ..there are a lot.
  9. Izotovp
    Izotovp 8 November 2015 12: 51 New
    0
    I think that the Shell is: firstly, not a very large selection of a platform for low-cost development, in fact, an attempt to create a landing crawler MRAP. Secondly, the accumulation of experience in the creation and operation to create the next generation.
    1. avt
      avt 8 November 2015 15: 59 New
      +5
      Quote: Izotovp
      I think that the Shell is: firstly, not a very large selection of a platform for low-cost development, in fact, attempts to create a landing crawler MRAP

      wassat MRAP! ???? ,, Well, you fucking give! " laughing laughing Today is the day of humor! laughing
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 8 November 2015 18: 46 New
        -3
        What's the humor? Lightly armored multipurpose transport. Due to the requirements and specifics, caterpillar and landing. "Typhoon" is not suitable for some reason?
    2. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 19: 07 New
      +5
      Shell is the only base replacement machine
      1 btrd-zd (anti-aircraft with zu-23-2)
      2 btrd robot (anti-tank)
      3 magpies (tie)
      4 btrd artillery controls
      those. on the basis of the Shell will be ALL that is needed in the airborne
      The shell is made on the basis of BMD-3 development already 1985 ..
  10. Vitail
    Vitail 8 November 2015 13: 18 New
    +1
    The car is definitely needed, but in my opinion it would be nice to install a 12,7 machine gun and a couple of ATGMs on it.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 8 November 2015 16: 24 New
      +5
      Quote: Vitail
      The car is definitely needed, but in my opinion it would be nice to install a 12,7 machine gun and a couple of ATGMs on it.

      And add a couple of calibers. wassat
      1. Angro Magno
        Angro Magno 8 November 2015 17: 30 New
        +1
        And plant Poplar. Is it enough?
        1. Bassoon
          Bassoon 8 November 2015 18: 15 New
          0
          Or maybe the Governor?))
          1. Angro Magno
            Angro Magno 8 November 2015 19: 33 New
            0
            Who will plant the Governor? He is a monument!
    2. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 19: 01 New
      +2
      On BTRD 2 course PCTs stood-- nobody needed anyone ..
  11. gallville
    gallville 8 November 2015 14: 17 New
    0
    I will express my opinion.
    Here you need to start from a couple of points. Where is the landing force?
    1. Behind enemy lines.
    2. Catch terrorists and partisans in the mountains. Mostly on foot.
    What the above weapons are armed with - the simplest Fri means, the regulars have the most difficult RPGs on the frontlines of terrorists. Against full-fledged Fri means, tank armor does not always save especially on board.
    Now we leave on the technical characteristics of the machine. And what we see because of an increase of 2 seats, the car grew to a height of 2,5 m (a car as tall as a BMD-4m with a tower) and in length. Those. Exploiter RPG-7's dream. Cardboard armor (there's nothing to be done about it), but a silhouette?
    Why it was impossible to leave the dimensions of the BTR-d and replace the chassis with electronics? And s-prtr how on the basis of this miracle to do? Sew the case separately?
    In terms of armament, it is clear, of course, that there is not much to be needed for armored personnel carriers, but go already the 21st century, why can not you make a simple closed ROM? It is desirable unified with fittings. For the T-72 is an open installation. The main thing is that the closed ROMs were still on the t-80, which was successfully withdrawn from service in 2015.
    Mine protection. Well, the landing party should not be engaged in patrolling, especially on armored personnel carriers and BMPs. This requires full-fledged scrubs for the internal troops. For the Airborne Forces, the loggers need to be purchased. And for all the indicated, the organization of the column path is "our everything."
    1. 31rus
      31rus 8 November 2015 14: 34 New
      +1
      I agree, we need a DUM, improved visibility of both the crew and the landing, the engine re-arrangement also improved protection and capacity, as a result, we get a new car, that is, we need money, again tests, improvements, and apparently we don’t have time, we get the result
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    3. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 18: 49 New
      +1
      and you were sitting in the BTR when nibut? there if you stand in the front hatch, then the armor will be waist-high. very tight. There are at least more places.
      No armor will help against RPG 7 .. (he flashes tanks too)
      the main thing that prevents the Shell from hanging up with all sorts of differences-- weight restriction, weight distribution, the presence of a landing system
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 8 November 2015 19: 54 New
        0
        zoriprit

        If you managed to slip a "shell" under the RPG then ...
        1. zoriprit
          zoriprit 8 November 2015 21: 13 New
          -2
          I didn’t slip anyone anywhere ... wink
  12. AUL
    AUL 8 November 2015 14: 27 New
    0
    The sharp corners on the frame of the driver’s display were striking. With that shaking and chatter at a good speed along the intersection - it is dangerous. Make this frame with licked corners a problem?
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 19: 23 New
      +1
      war is generally a dangerous thing .. you have to be trapped .. in addition, the mechanic, when moving along a combat forehead, rests against the triplex .. fulcrum ..
  13. raid14
    raid14 8 November 2015 14: 30 New
    0
    The Russian analogue of the outdated American M-113 armored personnel carrier, in "Shell" in comparison with the M-113 has a number of very big drawbacks, namely, the rear-engine layout of the engine, extremely unsuccessful landing hatches, try to get out of them in full gear, in winter, at night under fire , the landing seats are bolted to the bottom, clearly not explosion-proof and do not provide adequate protection for the crew in the event of an explosion at an ATM or IED.
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 18: 57 New
      +1
      the main chip of the shell is airborne ..
      based on this rear engine position (weight distribution)
      the hatch is slightly larger than on BMD1 (BTRD) jumped out of these without problems ..
      according to the statistics of afghanistan, when detonating ff mines in thorough repairs, tanks -17% infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers - 80% BMD - 100%, so that the bombers would not help undermining .. (from experience, when they were at risk, they were on armor)
      1. raid14
        raid14 8 November 2015 21: 31 New
        -2
        "According to experience, at the risk of ptm, everyone sat on the armor"
        Former Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Makarov said on this occasion: according to him, it happens with armored personnel carriers, when due to poor protection from mines, soldiers are forced to sit not inside the armored personnel carrier, but at the top.
        It was easier to equip the GT MU with a remote combat module than to create a Shell similar in protection but 2 times heavier.
        1. zoriprit
          zoriprit 8 November 2015 22: 37 New
          +1
          Surprisingly, the GTMU modification was also in the Airborne Forces .. as a platoon (regimental) RCBM vehicle, it showed absolutely nothing .. on the good side. It was clearly weaker than the BTRD from all sides — patency, protection, capacity. Even it was impossible to compare them . So compare the car that replaced the BTRD and is clearly stronger than the BTRD from those. anochranism i.e. GTMU does not even make sense.
          I do not know what Mr. Makarov said. it’s not visible from your replica. I know what happens to the crew inside BMD_BTRD when it detonates at a point, the housing simply breaks. The protection of a family of 950 objects is much higher.
          As for the experience, this is including my personal experience. Including the operation of the entire line of airborne equipment including the 950-- BMD 3-4 family. I didn’t find the cockleshell, I’m relaxing on retirement. Your level of understanding of this topic .. let's say .. not high.
          1. raid14
            raid14 8 November 2015 23: 30 New
            -1
            Your level of understanding of this topic .. let's say .. not high.
            You also did not show off knowledge. Here's a video Report about the Shell, see how the paratroopers are selected through the aft hatch.
            http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201412121905-vcxg.htm
            1. zoriprit
              zoriprit 8 November 2015 23: 45 New
              +1
              Why shouldn’t I watch the reports ... I served them (like BMD-3). And if necessary, I can dig deeper into the technique personally. Go to the police department or 137 pdp.
              If some des are stupid, then this is the problem of their commanders ... there are few of them.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 8 November 2015 20: 07 New
      +1
      raid14

      These hatches are not for landing, but for emergency landing. Try to determine the difference.

      A low-mounted motor gives its undeniable advantages. At least in service.

      The machine is just perfect for its intended use.

      If you do not understand this, then this is not a problem for the machine and their designers.

      Although the internal, residential volume still needs to be done without sharp corners. Not traumatic.
      1. raid14
        raid14 8 November 2015 21: 12 New
        -3
        What was then bad GT MU? Lack of weapons, outdated morally or has exhausted the limits of modernization?
        Disembarkation, landing do not engage in demagogy, you perfectly understood what I wanted to say, in an extreme situation, it will be difficult for an airborne landing to leave the car.
      2. zoriprit
        zoriprit 8 November 2015 21: 22 New
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        reads it seems to me that the hatches as indicated in the description, for landing, landing. there are no others. those that are on top for action with weapons (for example, on the top photo there are 2 brackets one with a pool volume) and for loading and unloading various junk.
  14. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 November 2015 14: 34 New
    +4
    It doesn't make much sense to strengthen the weapons of the "Shell". One BMD-4m will work for a whole platoon. This is not its functionality. Quickly bring selected soldiers to the right place, with reinforcements, additional ammunition - three vehicles - half a company. Well, the landing party should not go on the attack on the fortified area. But quickly move to the desired point from the landing site, blow up, seize, cut something, and leave as quickly as possible. Well, why are such units anti-tank artillery? And load a couple of dozen "Bumblebees" sweat, get to some kind of warehouses. To reach the removal of half a kilometer, burn and blow up everything there to smithereens, in half, and after a quarter of an hour, flee away at a speed of a kilometer per minute along the intersection! Eh, where are my 17 years old?
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 8 November 2015 20: 33 New
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      Mountain Shooter

      Explain to people that in the indicated role of "shells", the door is not for emergency disembarkation, but for emergency boarding of passengers.
  15. 31rus
    31rus 8 November 2015 14: 41 New
    -1
    Then it’s not bad to have a combined engine, "quietly" come or go, another question, and smoke grenade launchers, what did they not supply?
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 18: 58 New
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      What is a combined engine?
    2. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 22: 54 New
      +1
      so they stand .. on the front armor plate 4 pieces ...
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  17. kvs207
    kvs207 8 November 2015 15: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: pv1005
    Why read, much less think? Once. It is necessary to hit and lay out your "all-encompassing" opinion as soon as possible on the buttons.

    I began to think before some walk.
    And what, in fact, did I write wrong? Without denying the versatility of the machine, I said that the layout of the BMP type - (engine in front, hatches in the back), is more convenient for use.
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 8 November 2015 16: 37 New
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      Quote: kvs207
      Quote: pv1005
      Why read, much less think? Once. It is necessary to hit and lay out your "all-encompassing" opinion as soon as possible on the buttons.

      I began to think before some walk.
      And what, in fact, did I write wrong? Without denying the versatility of the machine, I said that the layout of the BMP type - (engine in front, hatches in the back), is more convenient for use.

      Letters will not be measured, those who are thicker and who are longer, maybe you will be 100 grams heavier.

      Rather, it is a vehicle for transporting soldiers some distance.
      Your words? The phrase "it is, rather" means that you, initially, mean a slightly different purpose of the machine. To this you were told that you need to read more carefully, and not rush to knock on the keys. hi
  18. kotvov
    kotvov 8 November 2015 20: 24 New
    +1
    after all, there were people. Margelov entrusted his son with checking the landing inside the equipment. And the current, so to speak, at least send the cubs to serve?
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 21: 28 New
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      landing. not a landing.
      As for the children of generals, then type this topic in a search engine. Look. Starting with the commander of the Airborne Forces Shpak. Georgy Ivanovich ... sad
  19. Disant
    Disant 8 November 2015 21: 58 New
    -1
    so, the exit conveyor.
    Here is what I would like to see besides all of the above, without increasing the cost of the structure:
    - the landing hatches are top: if it opens, it must perform some function (for example, cover it when the landing leaves), and not lie on the armor.
    - rear hatch landing. it is clear that everything was ripped off from previous generations of bmd, but are there no other options? to make two, for example, opening to the sides - to cover the outgoing troops from the flanks (and at the same time, the top hatches - frontally?)
    because what they can check on military tests (which are carried out on the videos above) - only what they gave. give them some options - then they will note the worst
    - But all kinds of displays are put to the mechanics. if the display fails (which is no wonder with such an excellent progress of the machine), the mechanic will not see anything at all. Now, if your hands itch, well, improve what worked for years! Why put displays that will bend, and pretty quickly. Well, you mount the diagnostic unit with a connector! no. display.
    - HLF - installed or not?
  20. Disant
    Disant 8 November 2015 21: 58 New
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    so, the exit conveyor.
    Here is what I would like to see besides all of the above, without increasing the cost of the structure:
    - the landing hatches are top: if it opens, it must perform some function (for example, cover it when the landing leaves), and not lie on the armor.
    - rear hatch landing. it is clear that everything was ripped off from previous generations of bmd, but are there no other options? to make two, for example, opening to the sides - to cover the outgoing troops from the flanks (and at the same time, the top hatches - frontally?)
    because what they can check on military tests (which are carried out on the videos above) - only what they gave. give them some options - then they will note the worst
    - But all kinds of displays are put to the mechanics. if the display fails (which is no wonder with such an excellent progress of the machine), the mechanic will not see anything at all. Now, if your hands itch, well, improve what worked for years! Why put displays that will bend, and pretty quickly. Well, you mount the diagnostic unit with a connector! no. display.
    - HLF - installed or not?
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 22: 51 New
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      the side hatches were not even considered .. (not to mention that the strength of the hull of the roll-up is to decrease) well, the BTRDs are not intended for attack .. the main thing that awaits the Shell is the base car for everything .. God forbid that it will be% 15.
      1. Disant
        Disant 8 November 2015 23: 14 New
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        I’ll recover: instead of one large rear (opening backward) - two rear hatchways (opening to the sides) - in the same place.
        1. zoriprit
          zoriprit 8 November 2015 23: 29 New
          +1
          this was on BMP 3 .. did not take root ...
          although the hatch opening upward periodically nobly thumped over the gaping someone's stupid .. wink wink
          1. Disant
            Disant 9 November 2015 00: 03 New
            -1
            I did not mean BMP-3. and it would not affect the strength of the case.
            1. zoriprit
              zoriprit 9 November 2015 10: 39 New
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              it was such a system with 2 hatches to the sides that was on BMP 3, on BMD 3 and on machines based on it it didn’t take root .. Maybe because the developers are different ..
  21. Disant
    Disant 8 November 2015 22: 33 New
    -1
    - How many nuts can I turn in countless numbers to get to the engine compartment?
    .
    that's what they stuffed there so that the conveyor btr-d 1975g.v. worse?
    answer: won by the reserved volume and a new transmission, lost - in bulk! (more than 1.5 times), silhouette (more than 1.5 times), money (I’m even afraid to guess)
    very controversial. especially in view of the fact that btr-d is 40 years older
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 8 November 2015 22: 59 New
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      there aren’t a lot of nuts .. not more than a btrd. There is also a fuel tank that has been plugged into a sheet, a closing MTO (called a tank-roof) rises on the brackets (hinges) of the des hatch ..
  22. Disant
    Disant 8 November 2015 23: 39 New
    +1
    here I am talking about the fact that there are few nuts: they could have paid some attention to this with the forces of some 15 scientific companies, would have stolen something (thought) from the astronauts or something ..
    - Take a closer look - paired shops. that's how it is possible with people, and okay with people. what are they made for? you won’t crawl in there, you won’t sit in two. back row LOVE push (unfold) to the sides
    - and organize several viewing devices for observation in the rear sector
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 9 November 2015 10: 47 New
      +1
      shops уё№;% нё .. there’s not even a conversation here .. especially not happy about the lack of backrest .. how to sit in the taxiway or something else? Do you have to lean forward?
      with triplexes, too, trouble .. on the btrd and then 2 for observation on the sides, right there 1 only ..
      back 1 triplex on the aft hatch as on the BTR
      1. Disant
        Disant 9 November 2015 11: 28 New
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        so how to look at the rear triplex if you sit with your back to it? again, even if such a discrepancy is visible - the car must be brought up, put everything in its place.
        about replacing the aft sunroof - what are the bad things about the two rear rear sides, at an angle? I repeat, they will cover during landing-landing-unloading-loading, and will not dangle from the top with a saucer. it is again possible to observe hiking with the open ones, while being almost completely in the car and without increasing the already huge profile of the car. it is very important and you do not need to invest much money for this yet. body geometry is not broken.
      2. Disant
        Disant 9 November 2015 11: 28 New
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        so how to look at the rear triplex if you sit with your back to it? again, even if such a discrepancy is visible - the car must be brought up, put everything in its place.
        about replacing the aft sunroof - what are the bad things about the two rear rear sides, at an angle? I repeat, they will cover during landing-landing-unloading-loading, and will not dangle from the top with a saucer. it is again possible to observe hiking with the open ones, while being almost completely in the car and without increasing the already huge profile of the car. it is very important and you do not need to invest much money for this yet. body geometry is not broken.
        1. zoriprit
          zoriprit 9 November 2015 12: 22 New
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          look in the rear triplex as well as in the btr standing on your knees with cancer wink also apparently and it is necessary to shoot and assault rifle through the rear ball
          although I think (but I don’t know for sure) the fasteners allow you to deploy siduhi by 180% and possibly 90% (degrees) with hatches, the question is closed and nobody was going to change the power structure of the hull as on bmd4-3
  23. Disant
    Disant 9 November 2015 16: 07 New
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    I will continue.
    - system for setting the smoke screen - to part the glasses at different angles - business for two blows with a sledgehammer.
    - I repeat again - the top landing hatches are ugly, I think it will not be difficult to roll them up. no use from them in the open state, but should be
    - the landing should be able (at least partially) to settle down (gain a foothold) on the armor - for quick dismounting and deployment in battle formation. weld staples - also a laborious process
    - reinforce towing loops
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 9 November 2015 22: 14 New
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      Why tow towing hinges? they are already involved in securing the parachute system ...
      they have a margin of safety !!!
      1. Disant
        Disant 18 November 2015 05: 35 New
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        the fact that the towing hinges are used to secure the parachute system does not mean anything ..
      2. Disant
        Disant 18 November 2015 05: 35 New
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        the fact that the towing hinges are used to secure the parachute system does not mean anything ..
        1. zoriprit
          zoriprit 18 November 2015 11: 05 New
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          only about one - withstand at least 10 times the weight of the machine ....
  24. Gippo
    Gippo 21 November 2015 03: 06 New
    +1
    there aren’t a lot of nuts .. not more than a btrd. There is also a fuel tank that has been plugged into a sheet, a closing MTO (called a tank-roof) rises on the brackets (hinges) of the des hatch ..

    On the BMP-1, swing doors were used as fuel tanks. Tradition....
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 21 November 2015 09: 49 New
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      + standard requirement for range of at least 500 km ...
      I remember the term .. I served on the BM-21 with the old Zilov gasoline engines - 1 liter per 1 km consumption .. total 3 tanks with a total capacity of 500 liters laughing laughing
  25. blackenergy89
    blackenergy89 3 December 2015 13: 51 New
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    without an active protection system, a shell can turn into a coffin on wheels sad
    1. zoriprit
      zoriprit 3 December 2015 14: 12 New
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      it is not intended for a direct combat collision ... AZs are usually placed on tanks .. they don’t even put on BMPs .. but they don’t fit into an airplane with an onboard AZ ... but if they fall off during landing? overload withstood? Well, a bunch of questions ...
  26. solovyov-igor
    solovyov-igor 30 October 2016 23: 17 New
    +1
    The Shell can accommodate two crew members and thirteen paratroopers!
    And in the BTR-50P developed in 1954, it has a capacity of 20 paratroopers. It is also capable of transporting on the roof, afloat, up to 2 tons of cargo, such as a mortar or 85-mm gun, and from it afloat can be fired. These characteristics are much cooler. It would be better to modernize and improve the BTR-50P. Than this, Shell
    It would be cheaper and better. And generally speaking. It seems that the “Shell” was ripped off from the BTR-50P.