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TsNIITOCHMASH plans to start developing a telescopic shot for small-caliber guns

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TsNIITOCHMASH, on the basis of the available developments, plans to begin the development of a telescopic shot for small-caliber guns, reports RIA News a message from the CEO of the company, Dmitry Semizorov.


TsNIITOCHMASH plans to start developing a telescopic shot for small-caliber guns
Sergey Shoigu and Dmitry Semizorov

“We are thinking about developing a telescopic shot for small-caliber guns. By the way, specialists in different countries have been working on this task for a long time. We have a fairly serious scientific background in this area, we are developing it. Unlike a unitary shot in a telescopic shot, the projectile itself is hidden in a sleeve. Firstly, it increases the reloading rate, and secondly, it saves space, which allows to increase the ammunition load., told Semizorov.

Reference agency: "Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (JSC" TsNIITOCHMASH ") is part of the state corporation" Rostec ". The company is engaged in scientific and technical activities in the development and production of weapons and military equipment. "
Photos used:
http://www.tsniitochmash.ru/
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  1. figwam
    figwam 5 November 2015 18: 36
    39
    Perhaps this will become a promising direction.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 5 November 2015 18: 43
      18
      But then it turns out that the caliber of the projectile itself is much smaller than the caliber of the cartridge case.
      It turns out that a fundamentally new chamber will be needed, which means a new gun, a lot of money! And also - where to put old and shells and tools (a lot)?
      PS: I understand that perspective, development, etc. Of course I am pleased with the design progress!
      1. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 5 November 2015 18: 54
        +9
        Not a fact, the receiving-loading part of the gun can be wider than the barrel part of the gun! yes
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 5 November 2015 19: 26
          0
          Yes, it is in any way wider, I know about the receiving and loading part! Don't you notice the word "MUCH"? (i.e., not like before!) The old cannot be remade, it is not wasted on the new (with a file laughing )! Right?
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 5 November 2015 20: 08
            +6
            Quote: Baikonur
            Do not redo the old

            The bourgeoisie "Bushmaster" was remade, that's what they came up with:



            True, armor penetration remained at the same level.
            The noble mutant turned out.

            http://www.liveinternet.ru/tags/%C1%F3%F8%EC%E0%F1%F2%E5%F0/
      2. Sukhoi
        Sukhoi 5 November 2015 18: 55
        +8
        Modern 30mm shells for 2A42 and 2A72 are sub-caliber, so there is no need to invent anything fundamentally new to telescopic.
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 5 November 2015 20: 39
          -1
          Quote: Sukhoi
          Modern 30mm shells for 2A42 and 2A72 are sub-caliber, so there is no need to invent anything fundamentally new to telescopic.

          RWM Rheinmetall Waffe und Munition, formerly Oerlikon, has developed a cartridge with a feathered PMC303 sub-caliber projectile for 30mm 2A42 and 2A72 guns ... Did you mean that? Our show ... hi
          1. Sukhoi
            Sukhoi 5 November 2015 22: 51
            +2
            Did you mean that? Our show ...

            3UBR8
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 5 November 2015 19: 11
        +2
        Quote: Baikonur
        I understand that perspective, development, etc.

        OFFTOP!
        I apologize, but colleagues, I can’t wait for the killer of small UAVs to shoot with steel shots - does anyone know if there is something similar in nature or is it easier to drop them onto the ground with an EW interception control and directly into the hands of the probe team?
        It seems to me that soon it will be dangerous for real airplanes to fly in this mess from UAVs.
        1. Sukhoi
          Sukhoi 5 November 2015 19: 19
          +2
          killers of small UAVs firing steel shot

          Why fraction? We’re not going for a boar. Automatic gun + shells with a programmable fuse.
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 5 November 2015 20: 07
          +3
          Quote: hydrox
          I apologize, but colleagues, I can’t wait for the killer of small UAVs firing with steel shot



          I apologize, he himself is not an artilleryman, but shrapnel (buckshot) - is this not suitable ??? In my opinion, the most ... and the wheel does not need to be invented ...
          1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
            Vladimir Pozlnyakov 5 November 2015 20: 45
            0
            About 3 years ago there was infa about the Israeli development of a rifle firing from around the corner. They used the principle of the periscope. The shooter is around the corner, and only the barrel and the lens extend towards the target!
            1. your1970
              your1970 5 November 2015 22: 43
              +5
              And also 70 years ago, the Germans infa slipped fellow fellow
          2. Sukhoi
            Sukhoi 5 November 2015 23: 19
            0
            I apologize, he himself is not an artilleryman, but shrapnel (buckshot) - is this not suitable ??? In my opinion, the most ... and the wheel does not need to be invented ...

            And how are you going to deliver all this happiness to the goal at a height of a couple of kilometers?
            Carlson with pump-action or mortar to send?)))
            Remember the anti-aircraft artillery of the time of the Second World War - a timer shell exploded at a certain height. The modern programmable OFS is essentially the same, except that now you do not need to individually key each shell to detonate after the required time (read the distance).
          3. combat192
            combat192 6 November 2015 03: 34
            -1
            shrapnel (buckshot)

            Likbez.
            Shrapnel and buckshot are completely different types of ammunition. Shotgun remained only in hunting and special smooth-bore weapons. But shrapnel is used quite widely. By the way, shrapnelins can be not only spherical, but also swept.
        3. Tra-ta-ta
          Tra-ta-ta 5 November 2015 22: 38
          +2
          I can’t wait for the killer of small UAVs ..
          As soon as effective killers of small Drones appear, insect Drones will appear (such a cloud of electronic mosquitoes flying not only over positions, but also inside headquarters and other secret objects) ..! laughing
          1. vitalius
            vitalius 6 November 2015 04: 51
            +3
            Quote: Tra-ta-ta
            I can’t wait for the killer of small UAVs ..
            As soon as effective killers of small Drones appear, insect Drones will appear (such a cloud of electronic mosquitoes flying not only over positions, but also inside headquarters and other secret objects) ..! laughing


            Yes, and figs would be with them, the main thing is that the cows are not taught to fly. :)
      4. seos
        seos 5 November 2015 19: 40
        0
        There is a gun - a 45mm gun - that's just no technology for the manufacture of such shells ...
      5. SanSuh
        SanSuh 5 November 2015 19: 43
        0
        Sell ​​to friends and not only
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 5 November 2015 20: 53
        0
        Quote: Baikonur
        But then it turns out that the caliber of the projectile itself is much smaller


        On the card, one of the options for the caseless ammunition for hand weapons, it is not necessary to judge by it what the cannon will have.
      7. Felix-A
        Felix-A 5 November 2015 21: 43
        +3
        "..what to do with the old and shells and guns", and what is Syria for?
      8. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 5 November 2015 21: 44
        0
        Perhaps it will work as a projectile.
    2. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 5 November 2015 20: 55
      11
      The polymer sleeve is unlikely to be missed, it is not known how the polymer will behave during storage. The basic requirements for weapons of the Russian Federation are functioning in the range from -50 to + 50 degrees. The properties of polymers at the extreme points of the interval are significantly different than at 20. In addition, the properties of cartridges in galvanized form should not change within 50 years. The second moment, the charging volume of the chamber of the cartridge (ammunition) decreases - other gunpowders are needed, and a different technology for their production. the third cap in the figure is a sealing cartridge from the effects of the external environment after it leaves the barrel when separated from the bullet, will cause its "indignation", which will negatively affect the accuracy of fire. The same thing happened in the USSR in the process of developing cartridges with an arrow-shaped sub-caliber throwable element. Paradoxically, even the sealing varnish at the junction of the cartridge case and the bullet has some effect on accuracy. There is a whole bunch of technological problems, tests and money injections into research and development.
      So what will happen next we can only guess.
    3. Cartman
      Cartman 5 November 2015 21: 10
      +2
      Is this some kind of ё-mobile next, where is the space saving? the cartridge has become thicker
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 5 November 2015 22: 19
      0
      A very promising direction! Do not get stuck in a bureaucracy.
  2. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 18: 37
    12
    Promising direction. The principle of the SP-4 cartridge ... And a new cartridge for underwater automatic weapons is also created on the same principle. Interesting. good

    Baikonur your judgments are not correct. The sleeve has a bottle shape, therefore the "caliber" of the sleeve is obviously larger than the caliber of a bullet. Changes to the chamber are minimal but the weapon is in any other configuration.
    Threat.
    It does not apply to a pistol cartridge because there the sleeve in 95% of cases is cylindrical.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 5 November 2015 19: 15
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      Baikonur your judgments are not correct. The sleeve has a bottle shape, therefore the "caliber" of the sleeve is obviously larger than the caliber of a bullet. Changes to the chamber are minimal but the weapon is in any other configuration.

      Well Yeprst! Of course I know about the bottle form! BUT! You immediately say:
      weapons according to any other configuration.
      I said EXACTLY ABOUT THIS!
      And what does it mean:
      The chamber changes are minimal.
      Like this? TOTALLY different form! And from the old chamber not to grind others, especially a file!
      PS:
      And even more so, it's not about bullets, but about shells !!! so the file is not at all welcome!
      It turns out the opposite - your judgments are not correct.
      With respect!
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 19: 33
        0
        If you drown a bullet in a cartridge case completely (which is actually going to be done) you do not need to change the shape of the chamber (the cartridge case is the same). Just no one will remodel for example the AK-74m on such a cartridge.
        Weapons under such a cartridge will be different. At least because it is not necessary to make the ejection window of the sleeve on as many as 80% of the samples. It is possible on the principle of FN 2000 or A91M through a hidden channel to withdraw the sleeve. At the same time, the energy of such a cartridge (it seems to me) will be 20 percent higher, respectively, the initial ballistic speed will all be higher for both individual weapons and cannon weapons.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 5 November 2015 20: 36
          +1
          If you drown a bullet in a cartridge case completely

          Again Eprst!
          Having drowned a bullet in a cartridge case completely, the Bullet volume will have to replace and displace a certain amount of gunpowder in the cartridge case (in a smaller direction!), Which is needed to create the necessary pressure when firing! So this will not work without changing the shape, dimensions of the sleeve up!
          Physics, Yoklmn!
          A body immersed in a liquid displaces the same volume! Archimedes!

          PS: just do not dig into the liquid! We must understand that this is not a liquid!
          1. Vladimyrych
            Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 20: 54
            -1
            Quote: Baikonur
            PS: just do not dig into the liquid!

            Here I am talking about too. Read about the new cartridge for weapons for shooting at water. The dimensions of the sleeve are clearly 5.45x39.
            And in general
            Quote: Vladimir
            Weapons under such a cartridge will be different.
            1. Baikonur
              Baikonur 5 November 2015 21: 01
              0
              Wasn't that what I originally said? AND?
              It turns out that a fundamentally new chamber will be needed, which means a new gun
              Why did you tell me this ?:
              Baikonur your judgment is not correct.


              P.S. Read
              about the new cartridge for weapons for shooting at water. The dimensions of the sleeve are clearly 5.45x39.

              :::
              After a series of studies, it was decided to change the caliber of the bullet from 5,45 to 5,66 mm. Rather, nothing had to be changed. The barrel of the machine, designed for the cartridge MPS, should have been smooth, and the actual caliber of the bullet cartridge 5,45x39 mm is exactly 5,66 millimeters

              In air, the lethal force of a bullet remains at a range of up to one hundred meters. However, a bullet unsuitable for the air at such distances gives an simply indecent deviation. So the real combat range for APS in the air does not differ much from that in water, which is not enough for most shootings. Another argument against using APS not in water is the resource. A submachine gun capable of firing 2000 times underwater can only fire 180 shots in the air - a tribute to optimization for working underwater.


              http://army-news.ru/2011/11/ognestrelnoe-oruzhie-dlya-strelby-pod-vodoj/
        2. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 5 November 2015 21: 10
          +2
          The shape of the chamber will have to be changed, since this will negatively affect the accuracy. It turns out that the bullet entrance, which has a taper and consists of a set of cones (designed to facilitate the bullet cutting into the rifling of the barrel), is moved away from the cut of the sleeve by the length of the previously protruding part of the bullet. This creates: 1) poor obturation in the initial period of the shot; 2) weakening of the forcing pressure, i.e. the bullet coming out of the sleeve will unevenly cut into the grooves, thereby the so-called. "breakdown from the rifling", these two factors will lead to a decrease in speed and deterioration in the accuracy of fire. In addition, as Baikonur correctly noted, the charging volume of the cartridge case is decreasing, which will require the development of gunpowder with different properties than those currently used.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 5 November 2015 19: 35
        -1
        Quote: Baikonur
        Like this? TOTALLY different form! And from the old chamber not to grind others, especially a file!


        I do not pretend to be true, but as an option offhand - an insert.
    2. barsik92090
      barsik92090 5 November 2015 21: 36
      0
      Using bottles is a good idea, again they will take containers and there will be less hazardous garbage.
  3. bad
    bad 5 November 2015 18: 38
    +2
    TSNIITOCHMASH will develop a telescopic shot of small-caliber guns | RIA News
    http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20151104/1313523284.html здесь немного подробнее об этом smile
  4. mark2
    mark2 5 November 2015 18: 38
    +2
    Somewhere I've seen something like this, but with bullets
    1. sir_obs
      sir_obs 5 November 2015 18: 41
      +7
      In the revolver "Nagant", I even fired repeatedly. There it is justified by the fact that the muzzle of the sleeve enters the barrel and the drum, leaning forward, locks the barrel bore. When fired, gases do not escape between the barrel and the drum, like other revolvers. But on the other hand, with a shot, the sleeve bursts so that it then only has to be knocked out with a ramrod.
      1. figwam
        figwam 5 November 2015 18: 45
        +4
        Quote: sir_obs
        In the revolver "Nagant", I even fired repeatedly.

        And a hunting cartridge.
        1. combat192
          combat192 6 November 2015 03: 16
          0
          7,62mm cartridge for the Nagant revolver of Russian (and maybe already Soviet-made, markings are not visible) with shell and shellless (for target shooting) bullets. The "native" Belgian cartridge was distinguished by the bottle-shaped rolling of the sleeve neck.
      2. Sura
        Sura 5 November 2015 19: 12
        +3
        In the revolver "Nagant", I even fired repeatedly. There it is justified by the fact that the muzzle of the sleeve enters the barrel and the drum, leaning forward, locks the barrel bore. When fired, gases do not escape between the barrel and the drum, like other revolvers. But on the other hand, with a shot, the sleeve bursts so that it then only has to be knocked out with a ramrod.

        So these were not high-quality cartridges. How long did you have to shoot yourself and watch how others shoot, there was never a time to get a ramrod. You open the recluse and spin the drum, the sleeves themselves get enough sleep.
        Can you imagine what a huge number of revolvers were fired, if every time I had to, if they would have to beat the shells with a ramrod, then they wouldn’t have been released.
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 5 November 2015 20: 14
          +1
          sleeves themselves are strewed from a gun? it’s only in American films that they are strewed, even the shot cartridge does not fall out on its own weight, not to mention the spent cartridge case,
          And the ramrod at the Nagan is made just so that they knock out the sleeve, it is not removable, you need to pull it and shift it to the side (it is held by the clip under the barrel) to stand in front of the drum chamber and squeeze the sleeve.
          This is his weakest point, recharge.
          It’s the colt’s axis of the drum, it’s also a device for extracting the sleeve, but everything is simpler there, since the sleeve does not burst like in a gun, the bullet is not in the sleeve, gases freely escape between the barrel and the drum.

          And the number of revolvers released is not an indicator in this case. It was quite simple and reliable, and most importantly cheap in production.
          1. Sura
            Sura 5 November 2015 21: 48
            0
            I judge not according to Hollywood, but according to my own experience, it was enough to get enough sleep, we had four of them in the arms of the police department and we had to disassemble and clean them more than once.
            They armed the security guards of savings banks (then the guard was civil aunts and mailers transported money and documents). The barrel of one was so worn out that the bullets tumbled in flight and hit the wall of the bullet catcher haphazardly and with great dispersion. Then they were written off.
            And they had to shoot a lot, the bullet in the sleeve was squeezed by three points in a circle so that it would not fall out.
            Yes, you look at old black-and-white films about the civil war (it seems to be in the Elusive, there is even an episode) in some, everything is very well shown.
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        3. bocsman
          bocsman 5 November 2015 22: 00
          0
          Quote: Sura
          You open the shutter and spin the drum

          The "recluse" is called "Abadi's door". The conical muzzle of the sleeve does not enter the barrel, but into a special shortened chamber, which ensures obturation of the powder gases. In smooth-bore weapons, the chamber ends with a cone for paper and plastic sleeves and, due to its length and shape, leads to a certain limitation in the use of cartridges with the method of twisting the sleeves (star, roll-in). The chamber for a brass sleeve has a ledge, and in this case paper and plastic sleeves, especially with a bullet, cannot be used.
        4. combat192
          combat192 6 November 2015 03: 18
          0
          Both are right. The cartridges with the door open fall out freely, but the spent cartridges had to be squeezed out, well, or knocked out if necessary, with a ramrod.
      3. rudolff
        rudolff 5 November 2015 19: 46
        +3
        The gunsmiths call the pressing of a revolver drum to the barrel an obturation. A clamped fired cartridge cases at Nagan are not driven out with a ramrod, but with an extractor. It is diverted from under the trunk to the side.
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 5 November 2015 20: 20
          +1
          Quite right, in fact, I meant it, although the name of the essence does not change. We used the usual AKM ramrod in the dash, it turned out faster.
        2. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 5 November 2015 20: 30
          +1
          not driven out with a ramrod, but with an extractor

          There is no extractor in the Nagan revolver. A ramrod is placed in the side, located in the ramrod tube (please read the NSD)
          The gunsmiths call the pressing of a revolver drum to the barrel an obturation.

          Obturation - ensuring the sealing of the barrel bore when fired. Let's just say obturation is ensured by moving the revolver drum forward and partly protruding from the drum by the section of the cartridge case body (only bottle-shaped sleeves have a muzzle, paragraph 519 GOST "Small arms. Terms and definitions").
          1. bocsman
            bocsman 5 November 2015 22: 03
            0
            Nagant ramrod a separate part, it is attached to the holster and serves mainly for cleaning weapons. This is a pin with a ring at one end and a flat one with a groove at the other end.
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  5. venaya
    venaya 5 November 2015 18: 44
    0
    increases reload speed, and secondly, helps save space, which allows to increase ammunition

    As it is necessary for promising developments and armored vehicles in aviation, as well as missile and air defense systems.
  6. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 5 November 2015 18: 49
    +3
    How did they manage to "scale" the SP-4/5 ?? as??
    Well done! There is still gunpowder in the powder flasks and berries in the buttocks! smile
    If we take into account that our "defense workers" like to "be shy and quiet," then most likely these shots are either ready or tests are in full swing.
    All the same, what no secrecy is present - that is why the "veil" of secrecy has been opened.
    P.S. Great news! smile
  7. Million
    Million 5 November 2015 18: 51
    +2
    “The Central Scientific Research Institute of Precision Engineering (JSC TSNIITOCHMASH) is part of the Rostec State Corporation.

    There Serdyukov is going to steer!
  8. Figvam
    Figvam 5 November 2015 18: 57
    +4
    the same eggs only in profile.
    new cartoon
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 November 2015 19: 32
    +2
    And then shellless ammunition (with a completely burning shell - sleeve) - and new gunpowder with high stability. And then liquid propellant charges with separate supply of bullets (shells) and fuel with an oxidizing agent in the combustion chamber!
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 19: 53
      +5
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And then shellless ammunition (with a completely burning shell - sleeve) - and new gunpowder with high stability. And then liquid propellant charges with separate supply of bullets (shells) and fuel with an oxidizing agent in the combustion chamber!

      What you listed was invented long ago in the USSR. And liquid fuel in case of leakage will destroy by vapor any calculation or crew and equipment at the same time. And liquid shells have long been implemented in flamethrower tanks, but it was not effective. But Pinocchio and Solntsepek also exist for a long time and are very effective.
    2. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 5 November 2015 19: 53
      +2
      Maximum caseless ammunition. And then electromagnetic guns will ripen
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 5 November 2015 19: 55
        +2
        Railgun is our everything. Remains the case for a small - a power source. It seems that the Americans were testing the marine ship version, how are things going, I wonder?
    3. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 5 November 2015 20: 44
      +1
      For "caseless" cartridges (ammunition) with a pyrotechnic (burning) sleeve, the role of which is played by a pressed propellant charge, the problem of spontaneous ignition of the propellant charge of the cartridge in the chamber during intensive firing has not yet been solved.
  10. Maksus
    Maksus 5 November 2015 19: 46
    +1
    Something I do not understand, but where is the gunpowder? If the bottom of the bullet almost touches the bottom of the sleeve, how does the powder blow up? Explain, please.
  11. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 5 November 2015 19: 48
    +4
    Firstly, it increases the reload speed, and secondly, it helps to save space, which allows increasing ammunition, ”said Semizorov.

    And in my opinion all this is nonsense. What is the space saving here? Just increased the sleeve by the length of the shell itself. And about the reload speed - also a hoax. Small-caliber guns are currently all being charged using the tape - machine-gun loading. Now the field guns are 80 mm. and probably less already.
  12. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 5 November 2015 19: 49
    +1
    And what is DEEP meaning? What kind of garden to start up?
    1. Yon_Silent
      Yon_Silent 5 November 2015 21: 05
      +1
      "Zaradi" increase the ratio of the mass of the propellant to the mass of the projectile with a fixed volume of ammunition, that's what it is for. And this means an increase in the power of the projectile.
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  14. Denimax
    Denimax 5 November 2015 20: 48
    0
    It is better to hide a thin small-caliber BOPS in a sleeve, otherwise it can be easily damaged and it will not get anywhere and will not break anything. Well, the automation itself probably scratches the shells; in telescopic shells, it will always enter the barrel clean, which will improve accuracy.
    1. Sukhoi
      Sukhoi 5 November 2015 23: 03
      0
      1) how are you going to damage the core of increased hardness, designed to break through the armor?
      2) the core does not contact the barrel walls or elements of the bolt group, it is placed in a sleeve and covered with a ballistic tip on top, which improves its aerodynamic properties.
  15. acetophenon
    acetophenon 5 November 2015 20: 49
    0
    It remains to make a burning sleeve, and - voila! - it will be possible to once again sell the previous developments.
    1. Sukhoi
      Sukhoi 5 November 2015 23: 23
      0
      And what to do? The propelling charge of any of our 125mm guns is the burning sleeve. Another question is whether this is necessary ...
  16. Vadim12
    Vadim12 5 November 2015 21: 02
    0
    Then new guns will be needed, because the current ones will not be able to shoot such ammunition. It’s also good - there will be work for gunsmiths.
  17. da Vinci
    da Vinci 5 November 2015 21: 12
    0
    Let them develop and offer working samples at their own expense, and MO, at the state level, buys them. wink
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 5 November 2015 22: 19
    0
    I imagine the armor-piercing armor-piercing drowned in a sleeve, but I cannot. Explain where to put the gunpowder? A 45mm cannon was developed in the 70s for installation on the Su-25 and then changed to GSh-2-30.
  19. rubidiy
    rubidiy 5 November 2015 22: 40
    0
    the British are already testing 40mm in full. We should go too. good
    1. Sukhoi
      Sukhoi 5 November 2015 23: 33
      0
      Everything has long been, and in iron. AU-220m
  20. Johnny51
    Johnny51 5 November 2015 23: 02
    0
    Quote: Major Yurik
    Not a fact, the receiving-loading part of the gun can be wider than the barrel part of the gun! yes

    Naturally, the caliber of the projectile will remain the same. Is that his configuration will change ...
  21. atamankko
    atamankko 6 November 2015 00: 08
    0
    The main thing is that the brain works in this direction.
  22. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 6 November 2015 00: 14
    +1
    The history of mankind is the history of wars. The shell gives birth to armor and vice versa. To be honest, in my opinion there is too much militarism in our lives. I do not know about you, I personally am already tired of this. As news, it’s so solid negativity - everywhere something falls, people of each other, friends kill under different slogans and banners ... you have to think about yourself, about your family, about your relatives. Tired of this stink from the western window. We forget about ourselves. Haldim, scolding everyone ... there is no time to look back ...
    1. Rom14
      Rom14 6 November 2015 06: 01
      0
      The carriers of this stink are our dear media ...
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  24. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 6 November 2015 00: 50
    0
    Bullet fool. But a strain of genetically modified bacteria or viruses, the carrier of which is a suicide bomber who flew to Berlin for example - that’s all. Real-time horror.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 6 November 2015 01: 02
      0
      Yeah! Especially when we catch refugees from there!
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 6 November 2015 01: 30
        0
        The trouble is that there is a so-called. "window" when a person has already become infected, but it is not possible to reveal that he is a real carrier of the infection. 6 months at least is needed.
        1. papik09
          papik09 6 November 2015 01: 54
          0
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          The trouble is that there is a so-called. "window" when a person has already become infected, but there is no way to identify that he is a real carrier of the infection.6 months at least you need.

          Antlers ... drinks
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  25. Rom14
    Rom14 6 November 2015 05: 54
    +1
    Quote: Sukhoi
    killers of small UAVs firing steel shot

    Why fraction? We’re not going for a boar. Automatic gun + shells with a programmable fuse.

    They go to a wild boar with a jacan ..., snipe on a UAV itself ...
    1. Sukhoi
      Sukhoi 6 November 2015 11: 51
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      Fedya, game! laughing
  26. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 November 2015 11: 32
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    If for their own money, then for the sake of B. ha, let them develop it. They will offer the ready-made gun-shell complex to the military, the military will test it, if they like it, they will order it. In general, with the advantages of such a projectile is not very clear. Why is it needed?