During the Pentagon’s “tabletop exercises,” the American army was defeated by the Russian

American edition Politico decided to present material on the balance of forces and the level of training of the American and Russian armies, and the level of training of different years. The material is based on statements by former and current representatives of the main US military department. Former representatives of the Pentagon believe that in today's situation the comparison is not in favor of the American army.

The material is based on the opinions of two large American servicemen who at one time participated in Operation Desert Storm (1991 year) and are now members of the Senate Arms Committee. This is about retired Colonel McGregore and Lieutenant General McMaster. Both reflect on what would have happened if the current army of the Russian Federation had opposed the American forces in Iraq.

From the material (translation RIA News):

McGregor calculated that if his unit were opposed by a more skilled and better armed opponent, for example, the Russian army, the outcome of the battle would be different.

MacGregor himself:

If the Russian army was in the place of our opponent, the American army would have lost. Although “losing” would not be the exact term. Rather, our army would be destroyed ...

Next comes the consideration of the capabilities of the American and Russian armies already in modern conditions. The US military, members of the Senate Arms Committee, called the Russian army "an almost equal adversary."

The current Pentagon officials believe that, even in modern conditions, the comparison is not in favor of the US Army. It is noteworthy that this conclusion was reached at the Pentagon based on the results of the “table exercises”.

During the "exercises", the "blue" (USA and NATO) suffered defeats in different opposition modes from the "red" (Russia) after the 8 hours of "duel". Who played for the "red" - not reported ...

Comments

[Vladimyrych]

For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
But I like! I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
I personally don’t believe in their cries we all.

[St Petrov]

Yes, they all chopped up with Anasha. board exercises ... This is how I played Cossacks in childhood as a passer

I am very skeptical about computer modeling, but here is the table and the game. This is something wrong)

Maybe they just pissed ahead of schedule and decided to give such a break?)

[Baikonur]

Kindergarten! Moreover, the younger group! And, probably, they also voiced: “Bah-Bah! Tra-ta-ta! You-dy-dysh!
Or whatever in their language: "Bang Bang!"
Smiled!
And this is PENDAGON? !!!

[svp67]

Quote: Baikonur

Kindergarten!

Simply "translation difficulties", our analogue is called "command and staff exercises". Normal practice. They "on the cards" worked out various options and honestly I think that the result was not the same as we were told. Although the "legend of the exercises" is not known, what goals did they set for the "opponents", what forces did they attract, what coefficients did they use?

[Temples]

All this for squeezing funds from the budget.
Like, look how we lagged behind the Russians.
Trillions are needed to catch up with the Russians.
Otherwise, they will destroy armeriku.
Demonization of Russia continues
Bucks rule the brains of amers

[Jack-b]

Quote: Temples

All this for squeezing funds from the budget.

100%. Otherwise, it would not be leaked to the press. Most likely this is an attempt to put pressure on the monkey in order to cancel the reduction of the military budget.

[severniy]

Quote: Vladimir

For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
But I like! I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
I personally don’t believe in their cries we all.

xs xs .., you just have to look at their landing in the sands of Portugal, or the mass dismissal from Donald Cook ...
so we can throw it in, but the fact that the bulk are fighting "relaxed", just making money is a fact ..

[Mahmut]

If they decided to fight in the "chapaya", they could first try to take revenge on the Vietnamese army.

[edge]

Quote: severniy

For me, this is informational stuffing related to information warfare.

this is the normal, purposeful, planned work of the headquarters — they assess the potential, the degree of threats, look for the strengths and weaknesses of all participants, as well as countermeasures, consider prospects and possible results

[EvgNik]

Quote: Temples

All this for squeezing funds from the budget.

This aspect is present in any statement by state generals. But even dropping the results of the "board game" data and just thinking? Can states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war? I personally doubt it very much. They have no such practice. And the Russians will be stronger by their fortitude. And I think that they understand this perfectly.

[nikpwolf]

Quote: EvgNik

Can the states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war? Personally, I doubt very much. They have no such practice. Yes, and the strength of mind Russians will be stronger. And I think that they understand this very well.

If again according to some plan of "Barberry", it is unlikely. But if it is protracted ... Well, again, with the united forces of "the saviors of everyone and everything" to fight. Yes, under the new rulers. Here HZ.

[edge]

Quote: EvgNik

But even dropping the results of the "board game" data and just thinking? Can states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war?

they all know this .... the question is what will happen if the Russians transfer their forces across the oceans. We were in the 20s and after a couple of fights, they didn’t even try to participate in the fighting, they were engaged in looting ....

[Wildcat-731]

Quote: hert

Quote: EvgNik

But even dropping the results of the "board game" data and just thinking? Can states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war?

they all know this .... the question is what will happen if the Russians transfer their forces across the oceans. We were in the 20s and after a couple of fights, they didn’t even try to participate in the fighting, they were engaged in looting ....

I will say for the 20s: on Murman, the Yankes were stuffed in the face by units of the Red Army, and in Primorye the Amers were "treated" by the Parizans; not only the red partisans, but also the Semyonovites and Kalmykites.

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Baikonur

Kindergarten!

Simply "translation difficulties", our analogue is called "command and staff exercises". Normal practice. They "on the cards" worked out various options and honestly I think that the result was not the same as we were told. Although the "legend of the exercises" is not known, what goals did they set for the "opponents", what forces did they attract, what coefficients did they use?

I agree, the usual practice, to save money and the service life of equipment, operational-strategic "games" on the maps of the highest command personnel, by the way, such games were held by the General Staff in the USSR in 1940-1941 and everything turned out very similar to the reality that happened in June 1941, now they are conducted electronically.

[Sid.74]

Who played for the “red” - is not reported ...

Oh really...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Baikonur

Kindergarten! Moreover, the younger group! And, probably, they also voiced: “Bah-Bah! Tra-ta-ta! You-dy-dysh!
Or whatever in their language: "Bang Bang!"

I immediately remembered the phrase-EH I have not taken a long time, Petka, SOMETHING CHECKERS!

[Persistent]

Already the whole world is the smell of singed hair from the American ass !!!

[edge]

Quote: Baikonur

Kindergarten! Moreover, the younger group! And, probably, they also voiced: "Bah-Bah! Tra-ta-ta!

my friend, you would first take a course in elementary military education, and only then you will be tried and tried. An ignoramus can judge your profession in the same way. Take a ride in a blanket and scream there.

[gladcu2]

St Petrov

No need to discount computer simulation. Strategies in the game world are already about 15. The algorithm has been developed and perfected. The probability of error, intuitively, is about 15%.

In other words, under given conditions, the development of the event is predicted with an accuracy of at least 15% error. (intuitively)

The US Army is no weaker than the Russian Army. This is definitely for the current period in the next 5 years.

[veksha50]

Quote: s-t Petrov

and then the table and the game. This is something wrong.)

From time immemorial, the General Staffs conducted team-head games on tables and maps ... Now they are modernized, involving computer simulation ...

These KSHs, with more or less real introductory ones, make it possible to theoretically foresee possible gaps in the actions of their army ...

[quote]

village Petrov (1) RU Today, 17:08 ↑

Yes, they all chopped up with Anasha. board exercises ... This is how I played Cossacks in childhood as a passer

Thank you for the "laugh". But you too "soaked in an adult."
It’s good that even with straw, they didn’t crack! Hay, just like cocaine.

[edge]

Quote: s-t Petrov

Yes, they all chopped up with Anasha. board exercises ... This is how I played Cossacks in childhood as a passer

uh, no brother is the ability to think strategically and calculate options, we have been taught this from the first courses in military schools: on the layout of the area everything is simpler, easier and more accessible.

[Civil]

Quote: Vladimir

Whether the generals are bad

Judging by the publications in VO, the population is preparing for war, apparently someone has nothing to lose?

[Volodin]

If you want peace - prepare for war (s). You know who said

[meriem1]

Quote: Volodin

If you want peace - prepare for war (s). You know who said

Si vis pacem, para bellum. Cornelius Nepot ... And according to unverified data, iron Bismarck loved this phrase

[Dyagilev]

So Putin also told gas masks to check ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Civil

Judging by the publications in VO, the population is preparing for war, apparently someone has nothing to lose?

IN the entire population of Russia does not read ...

But the fact that they raise the question of improving the training of governors and mayors of all degrees in mobility, about putting some order in the means of protecting the population at the level of the President - this is an indicator ...

[Kunar]

I agree. Not that there is a contingent here. For the Soviet regime it is not necessary to agitate)))) Here and so all are devoted to her wholeheartedly.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vladimir

Whether the generals are bad

Everything is explainable. They are yelling now that they have lost everything, that they are so frail, and Russia is so strong. And to pill them, as it really is. Behind these their screams, not a real view of events, but stupidly "GIVE MONEY!"

And did someone seriously think that two Americans would tell everyone that the American army was not operational? Just a fight for financing, one of the tactics.

[svetoruss]

The Americans probably do not know that any army that encounters the Russian Army will sooner or later receive bribes ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: svetoruss

The Americans probably do not know that any army that encounters the Russian Army will sooner or later receive bribes ...

They will receive it of course, but I liked it more when we were scolded in the west (it was somehow calmer))) If the enemy praises, then something is not right! That kind of thought goes right away ...

[mark2]

And they do not praise. They do not understand how it is possible with such a modest, in their opinion, budget of the army to conduct such effective military operations as they were in Georgia and now in Syria. As possible, by order of the President, without careful preparation, to transfer huge masses of troops from one place to many thousands of kilometers, even within the country. But which country !! 11 time zones, the area coverage is equal to the surface area of ​​Pluto.
They are afraid of the speed with which our military plans and carries out operations. And they are afraid of our whole story. After all, they also know that Russia is the only country that does not lose serious wars in its entire history.

And all this and much more, their confusion leads to fear at the level of the subcortex. Their Elite, and especially the military elite (the most educated by the way) know that if Russia starts the game seriously, then the whole World lives with caution, not a single gun has the right to fire without the permission of Russia.
Well, plus the recreated and current shield of the Russian air defense, control of space on the continent. Generals from the Pentagon know that it will not work to break through it without huge losses in strength and with a high probability of getting it back in the teeth. And you have to do something, but they don't know what to do. It's kind of throwing a bait: "Hello, we are looking for talents! Who would give us an idea")

[aksakal]

Quote: mark2

And they are afraid of our whole story. After all, they also know that Russia is the only country that does not lose serious wars in its entire history.

- my neighbor has a mischievous dog, German. On a walk he throws himself at my dog ​​(I have a healthy Muscovite, 80 kg), it is clear that he himself is afraid to colic, when he bounces off, he whines with fear, but nevertheless he still rushes and strives to snatch. The Americans remind me of such a dog - they whine with fear, rush out of the windows shouting "Russians are coming!" ... Nevertheless, they climb, not the Russians, however, climb to their borders, namely they! What kind of power drives them like that? The Russians did not encounter such fear, only the reluctance of war, but this is not fear, namely the reluctance of war. That dog has a guard reflex. And what drives them here? Hunger is not an aunt, well, so they are there in the USA and do not starve What kind of power is stronger than their own and highly justified fear? I don’t understand
PS Gryat, fear is a sure tip. My dog ​​somehow lost his temper, and the fears of that shepherd were completely justified - for a long time the owner treated him, and still does not greet me. I think the final in the Russian-Amer clash the final will be the same

[Zlatik]

Amerikosy will rake in any case and in any way !!!!!

[vovanpain]

Quote: Vladimir

I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t.

Guys is an ordinary team-headquarters game, which is played by all the general staffs of the world, including ours, and if they brought the results to the surface, it means they just stupidly require money to develop the budget. We don’t have to throw our caps over, if the USA praises someone, we need to be on our guard.

[cergey51046]

At first they started team-head games on the table, but in the middle of the games they went under the table.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: vovanpain

if you brought the results to the surface, then they just stupidly require money

[Marconi41]

Quote: vovanpain

Guys is an ordinary command and staff game, which is played by all the General Staffs of the world.

If it was "Desert Storm" that was played out with the replacement of Hussein's army with the army of the Russian Federation, then the American military is probably right - they would have lost even on maps. But they did not expect to face a more efficient army there. I would like to cast aside emotions and find out more about this. What theater of operations were the "battles" in, what forces were introduced into it, and what weapons were used? Besides, what counts as a loss is also a very interesting question. Waterloo has not been canceled.

[Gradus HuK]

Play toy soldiers, partners, always on the table and better constantly. The MIRU will be calmer.

[jovanni]

They are trying to hang noodles on our ears. No need to pay attention to such stuffing, the wolves are trying to pretend to be miserable defenseless sheep.

[cyberhanter]

This is a document of two arms committees ... They are just trying to knock out money for weapons. Lobbyists of military companies

[AlexTires]

That's right, we don’t need to relax!

[Old old]

Personally, I don’t believe in their cries all the while having weaned ourselves.

In this way they increase their budget!

[Old old]

Personally, I don’t believe in their cries all the while having weaned ourselves.

In this way they increase their budget!

[kamski]

Urgently give money "ENEMY" on the doorstep

[Madcape]

do not flatter yourself. They make from Russia "the fiend of hell", which means they "shake" the grandmother from their people for war and defense orders. There is no need for seven spans in the forehead.

[altman]

Fine! Only without hatred !!

[Andrea]

Not any hatred. All headquarters games always ended with the defeat of the United States. Yet since the time of the Union.
There is reason to reflect.
Either more capable staffers play for the Russians, or the initial conditions contribute, which means- are we really stronger?
But by golly, all this is designed for the internal consumer.
The task is to scare cooler the townsfolk, senators, congressmen, and the other riffraff.

[Tusv]

Quote: Andrea

Either more capable staffers play for the Russians, or do the initial conditions contribute, which means we are really stronger?

Why don’t you remember the old Jewish joke about twice two, do we buy or sell?
If the blue win against the red, then this is the 3rd Patriotic War. And so try to break through the air defense, try to swim to the shores. All power is very quickly multiplied by zero. I’m silent about the ground operation

[your1970]

swam up, broke through, and then .... there are no roads — some directions and the population is looking askance ..
What’s the goal of “capturing” is unrealistic, but even if it’s captured, it’s necessary to hold on to it (which still hasn’t come from anyone!) And get at least some broth (it’s also problematic, I’ll go to break gas pipelines myself !! if that ..) - otherwise it makes no sense ...
And money-cap, cap, cap, CAP, CAP !!!! - but there are no incomes.
Something like this (but on a very miserable scale) is happening now in Ukraine with the Americans, it seems they’ve gotten into it, everything seems to be great, but there’s no big deal and is not expected ...

[mark2]

But the thing is this! USA maritime power. Russia is land. American power rests on the AUG and the Marines. Russian on a powerful tank fist, aviation and air defense systems. The United States will never be able to win a war against a land army without a comparable strength. It’s like in a dispute between a whale and an elephant, who will pull someone. Of course the elephant. Traction is stronger than with water.
And then how can one embrace the immense and surround the unenclosed ?!

[Tusv]

Quote: mark2

It’s like in a dispute between a whale and an elephant, who will pull someone.

Americans predict a lot of things. For example, a crocodile defeats a lion, but is gnawed by a bear, but all three lose the hippo.

[Sterlya]

Quote: Andrea

Either more capable staffers play for the Russians, or the initial conditions contribute, which means- what are we, which is really stronger?
But by golly, all this is designed for the internal consumer.
The task is to scare cooler the townsfolk, senators, congressmen, and the other riffraff.

Grandmas kicked out of Congress, they don’t have enough money to scare the Papuans, there’s still a lot of frightened

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

It was all this, though not without reason !!! In Khrushchev’s time, bomb shelters were built in every yard and farm! And the schools took civil defense courses!
During the Caribbean Crisis, about 3 million Florida residents in fear rushed to Mexico and Texas! And then USAvki escalated tension inside the country and outside!

[subbtin.725]

Quote: altman

Fine! Only without hatred !!

So it is. If the enemy praises "you" - it means at the very time, at least, to be on the alert.

[skifd]

Quote: altman

Fine! Only without hatred !!

The most dangerous thing is underestimating the enemy. Our opponents, in view of recent events, seem to have already "suffered" from this. Why do we need a "rake".

Here is a video demonstrating some of the capabilities of Americans. The video can be considered controversial, remembering our analogs, but we can talk not only about technical resources and ideological motivation, but also about mobilization resources. It would be naive to believe that in the event of a conflict there will be an "honest one-on-one fight" without the indirect participation of D. Sam's satellites.





Yes, I understand very well that these "videos" are like a fight against "terrorists", but they also "fight" with a peaceful population without burdening themselves with moral rules. This is our "enemy". IMHO.

[Kasym]

And if the "enemy" had MANPADS, large calories. machine guns, then such filming would not have been. On the first day of work, Amer. turntables in Afghanistan showed that the most suitable ammunition was NARs, because there was no opportunity to aim with an AP, and even more so with an ATGM. NAR launch and stalling from the combat course. The main thing was speed and maneuverability. And in order to hover like this and aim hammering - well, it's just to drive spirits. And we are talking about at least an equivalent enemy.

[mAgs]

Something the last video (5 minutes) looks more like a clipping from a game like callof duti. Negotiations are "clean", the words in English are not the same as in 15 minutes, the emotional color of the voice is too neutral. So it seems to me. But in general, just hanging and spinning without a response from MANPADS, large-caliber machine guns and ZSU only terr. and the militia can afford. Comrades, who knows at what level (battalion, division, regiment) what means of fighting against such flying targets should be available (with the exception of shells, beeches, shiloks, etc.)?

[Yars]

Quote: skifd

Quote: altman

Fine! Only without hatred !!

The most dangerous thing is underestimating the enemy. Our opponents, in view of recent events, seem to have already "suffered" from this. Why do we need a "rake".

Here is a video demonstrating some of the capabilities of Americans. The video can be considered controversial, remembering our analogs, but we can talk not only about technical resources and ideological motivation, but also about mobilization resources. It would be naive to believe that in the event of a conflict there will be an "honest one-on-one fight" without the indirect participation of D. Sam's satellites.

Yes, I understand very well that these "videos" are like a fight against "terrorists", but they also "fight" with a peaceful population without burdening themselves with moral rules. This is our "enemy". IMHO.

like somewhere they said that these videos from a video game of some kind

[Sterlya]

even lost in the desktop The democratizers of the Papuans damn it.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Surprised ...!

[PlotnikoffDD]

Who played for the Reds? - not reported ...

How is this who ???? SAM !!!!

In general, an interesting life in American warriors. The ground army is playing in the soldiers, the navy is in a naval battle, the plane shot into the air - already an achievement ....

[MolGro]

Well, if you recall their protege, then things are very bad in the United States!

[voyaka uh]

If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
4 years suffered from them defeat?

[just exp]

so they are essentially fighting the same.
Arabs, they are Arabs, though the Syrians are fighting an order of magnitude better than the Saudis.

[vsoltan]

Yes, because in the Syrian army no less stupid .... Remember 80 ... the Syrians do not want and cannot fight ... because, I believe, the Russian mission in Syria will be unsuccessful ... it is, of course, prestigious to get involved in a risky adventure ... honor and respect, but oil does not go up much in price ... fight, of course , and you can barefoot ... but it’s better with a covered strong economy, which, alas, we don’t have ... we would better understand the Donbass, at least Russians are there. Yes, and it is not clear that our VKS bomb there? Some headquarters, warehouses, etc ... .. the only bridge across the Euphrates was demolished ... and then, thank God, they thought of it ... and any transport arteries should be cut + pipelines ... then the ISIS’s financial supply will run out ... they’ll start to dissolve ... IMHO

[adept666]

Yes, because in the Syrian army no less stupid

Normally they are fighting, you even saw shots of city battles especially the work of tanks. Look at the footage of the work of our tanks in the first Chechen one in Grozny. I would not say that the Asad forces are worse off.

[Sterlya]

Quote: vsoltan

Yes, because in the Syrian army no less stupid .... Remember the 80s ... the Syrians do not want and cannot fight ... because, I believe, the Russian mission in Syria will be unsuccessful ... it is, of course, prestigious to get involved in a risky adventure ... honor and respect, but oil does not go up much in price ... fight, of course , and you can bare-handed ... but it’s better with a covered strong economy, which, alas, we don’t have ... we would better understand the Donbass, at least Russians are there.

Not everyone can stand it, and Syria without the help of Russia could not stand all of these terrorists, who are supported by all democracy. Plus, Israel spoils periodically.

[Olkass]

Do you remember the 80s? Have you seen Lenin?
Lord! The archistratig has descended upon us! Praise you, God.
And what are you still not the chief of staff of the Russian Federation? Vladimir Vladimirovich, Sergey Kuzhugetovich - is there such a shot about it? - bali? Well, it doesn’t matter, they missed it.
Glory, forgive us. In Russia, everything is somehow through ...
You didn’t check it out. EC, loshki, in a word!
Believe it or not, this is: "... cut the transport arteries + pipelines ... then the financial support of ISIS will dry up ..." - Incredible !!! A new word, in general, in military affairs and geopolitics. I can authoritatively declare: there would be a Nobel in geopolitics and war, both would be yours!
Well, when the "financial support" runs out, then the damned Igilyaks will certainly only "begin to dissolve themselves". And each other, there is no way out, the recharge is over.
Your sofa is not very hard, I hope?

[2s1122]

Yes, they are not stupid, they simply breed their electorate for money and it does come out

[MolGro]

from Syria to Israel is not far) So in your own skin you have a chance to find out if it is true or not) Or maybe really fools !! ??

[vsoltan]

Molqro

You can, of course, continue to yell ...: "Srail, damned women" ... etc., but it is better to build relations with Israel, which is pragmatic and almost a third Russian, than with unreliable Arabs ... they noticed that Over the past 1,5 years, in fact, Israel did not blather against us? It is worth thinking ... with whom to be friends. ...

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: vsoltan

It is worth considering ... with whom to be friends. ...

Israel thought and chose Russia.

[just exp]

Is Israel a reliable partner? Israel has only one reliable partner, it is the United States, the rest is just a tool to achieve its goals.

[MolGro]

The title defender of the faith you have earned!
Contact the Society for the Protection of Jews from People!
And as for the damned people, I completely agree, it had to be done so that Jews would kill Jews)) Ps Palestinians are Jews who remained in Israel and lived there all the time, well, only Islam accepted)

[adept666]

If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
4 years suffered from them defeat?

Because your allies, the USA, are constantly preparing new and new mercenaries from every hole, wherever you look, they recruit, finance, prepare and arm through their Arab satellites. So it turns out that Assad is at war with Hydra, chopping his head, and in her place two, chopping two - the 4th appears, etc.

[ML-334]

You just don’t have to jerk, you know perfectly well what the Islamic State is and who is behind it. Israel, including when they hammer on the Syrian army in response to the bearded.

[papas-57]

`` If they are so stupid, then why did the Syrian army suffer from them for 4 years? '' The question must be put differently - if all Arabs are good fighters, then why did they not destroy their worst enemy Israel in 68 years with an equal weapon (supplied by the USSR) and with a multiple superiority in manpower. The Arabs do not know how to fight, religion does not allow them to fight during prayers (and there are six of them during the day, if I am not mistaken). And they are greedy for money, they are sold easily to the one who pays the most.

[mark2]

and the answer is on the surface. Standing face to face with the enemy country of Israel, a huge US carcass can be seen behind her. Arabs, no matter how they were fighters, but there are no fools among them. Snooping in Israel will deal with the United States. And the Arabs of the country will bomb small ones like nefig do. But if the US position is suddenly weakened, if a miracle happens and the United States cannot push its fleets into the Persian Gulf, then there will be no stone left from Israel.

[mark2]

4 years defeated? Very interesting! do you understand the phrase? 4 years, wow! defeat once. Everything else is failure in battle! as long as the army is able to resist, while it is conducting active hostilities, it has not lost the war.

[Days]

Quote: voyaka uh

If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
4 years suffered from them defeat?

I would venture to suggest that Assad's defeat from ISIS and the "moderate" opposition is due to aid from Qatari, Saudi and NATO allies.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: voyaka uh

If they are so stupid, then why did the Syrian army suffer defeats from them for 4 years?

I’ll see how much Israel holds out against gangs financed and armed by the US and NATO, I doubt that Israel would have lived 4 years .......

[Days]

Quote: Ramzaj99

Quote: voyaka uh

If they are so stupid, then why did the Syrian army suffer defeats from them for 4 years?

I’ll see how much Israel holds out against gangs financed and armed by the US and NATO, I doubt that Israel would have lived 4 years .......

Well, to be honest, Israel is supported and armed with the US / NATO. And because of that, it still exists. Without direct military support, the outcome of a series of wars against all neighbors would be slightly different, but the United States needs an instrument in the region in addition to the Saudis.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Dagen

Well, to be honest, Israel is supported and armed with the US / NATO.

Yes, it's all clear)))))
I mean, be Israel in Syria’s place, against, in fact, the United States.
Our Israeli friend laughs at Assad’s army that there has been no success in 4 years. I would look at the successes of Israel in the war against the US + NATO.

[Victor-M]

Quote: voyaka uh

If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
4 years suffered from them defeat?

So, after all, there is not only ISIS, but also you, Turkey, the SA, Qatar and the Americans, all the terrorist kodla took up arms against Syria. I think that if Israel were in Syria’s place, I wouldn’t have done it alone either.

[Kunar]

Just the game was equal! Played two g.na)))))

[polite people]

Ha ha ha The generals are not shy to show that they only have the courage to play the toy soldiers. May God grant them always to have so much courage, courage and courage. Vivat Russia!

[Bronik]

Disturbing praise. Do not believe the enemies. Even gross flattery.

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: bronik

Disturbing praise. Do not believe the enemies. Even gross flattery.

As the song says, "believe me, check it out."
Air battles they lose.



Dogfights in India F-22 loses Su-30. This is not even SM, but MKI.

[slaw14]

you're right, but it’s better to accompany the author’s video, rather than the old TV

[Kasym]

F-22 against the Indians was not exhibited.
There are shots, F-22 against Rafal. But the Frenchman is in the "lightweight" category, so the F-22 was at a disadvantage.

[HollyGremlin]

It was always interesting who composes these "board games". I would play)

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

But the first "Tetris", the first computer game was "built" on a mattress computer by our guy! There are programs where even youngsters are able to "create" computers!

[Vladimir71]

At the table we will do them in any kind of competition))) and in life I think the truth is in truth as well, which means victory is ours)))

[Belopolyak]

Who played for red more in childhood in the sandbox sat))))

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Here it is. Whoever comes to us with a sword, that khan ...

[van zai]

The comments were very surprising. The task of these "Games" was only one thing - to knock out more money for the Pentagon. Like "ay-ay-ay, the Russians are so evil, and we are so weak. Give me more money for military programs. Otherwise we'll die!" We must not forget that America is a superpower, and Russia "a little" falls short of the status of the USSR. Hide the caps with which you are going to throw the enemy, otherwise your ears will freeze.

[Wasiliy1985]

Exactly! I agree completely! Of course, at the moment, the SGA army does not plan to enter into a direct clash with us. At least based on the presence of a strategic nuclear component of our Armed Forces. And in terms of the land component, our Armed Forces are historically stronger than their overseas and island "colleagues". But with the aviation, naval and information component - we have a clear loss .. And modern war is the interaction of all branches of the military!
So what about "hide the caps" - very much even in the subject!
Yes, and the purpose of these statements you have clearly indicated - to knock money out of the budget! Here "colleagues" are a clear guideline for our officials. Ours are learning from them directly tangibly quickly !!

[89609226409]

Interestingly, they took into account the uninterrupted supply of Coca-Cola and toilet paper to the American soldiers during the "exercises"?

[sergio3004]

Still playing soldiers

[Tusv]

Some kind of awkward set of words. The Russian army is almost as strong as the American. But! How to say something

It’s more correct to say that our army would be destroyed ...

[manguest]

The main question is still not who is stronger, but where is stronger and how fast is stronger. The army, or rather the US fleet, is able to ensure superiority anywhere, except for the entire coast of the Russian Federation, apparently China, and, as it recently turned out, the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea and the coasts of the northwestern Indian Ocean. The question with Europe is controversial as to whether they can manage to take in sufficient American forces and means before landing strips are destroyed. If we consider short-term scenarios, the result will be determined by the speed of deployment, the dispersion of forces on the planet in this plan is a big minus.

[pascal309]

Something suspicious in recent times, the media have praised either the equipment of Russia, the Army, or the soldier, that we are the strongest, the best, the coolest, that we will defeat everyone, etc. Why is this propaganda in the foreign press. Maybe someone can clearly explain the alignment?

[Tusv]

Quote: pascal309

Why is this propaganda in the foreign press. Maybe someone can clearly explain the alignment?

Simple starthe west is shocked. Everything seemed to be calculated correctly. And sanctions, and the destruction of cooperation with Ukraine, and a powerful blow to our economy. And then "bang, second shift" and peaceful container trucks can be armed with calibers

[KORSAR12]

... and they chose the right color "blue", well, almost "blue" ....

[Bourgeois]

If this is not a hurray-patriotic stuffing, then the conclusions from this article are obvious - to someone in the Pentagon, such "table" conclusions are very beneficial, since with the help of such conclusions it is possible to put pressure on Congress in order to increase appropriations for the army.
The Russian army in its current state, of course, has grown by an order of magnitude compared to the 90s, but nevertheless, we are unlikely to be able to smash the Americans and NATO now. We can compete on an equal footing, but about defeat it’s a bust.
American generals want more money)), hence such derogatory conclusions.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

First they want to ruin Russia economically and strangle it, which is quite possible under our government, etc. That's when the Army and Navy began to fade away in the 90s and ... well, remember yourself what happened (only this time it’s finally strangle) And bloodshed across Russia and the Russian revolt mercilessly pour ... God forbid!

[gammipapa]

Yes, everything is as always simple.
American soldiers from plastic, and ours from tin.

[viktor561]

"Katz offers to surrender" (c) -

[Moonsund]

some kind of nonsense ... intelligence from the media, an assessment of the theater of operations from Google maps, simulation of clashes with soldiers. 21st century, the "best" army in the world. I will not believe.

[veksha50]

"Who played for the" red "- not reported .." ...

All these CSIs (command-and-staff games) are exactly what the games are ... On the map and on paper is one thing ... A real test for combat maturity is another ...

I had to attend the CABG a couple of times, as well as participate in a real test of the combat readiness of the nuclear triad ...

In general ... Expectations (CLE) and reality are completely different from each other ...

So what Amer experts-generals say, you can listen, but you can not listen ...

The main thing is to equip the army with modern technology and weapons and to train and train personnel ... Then the result will be real ...

[marinier]

Dobroe vremia sutok g-da!
Nadeys na praktijk budet toze samoe!
Kto-bi somnevals, prevosxodstve RUSSLAND.Tolko ura-petriot tipa mak-kejn.Im bi xot inogda prislushiy k mnenij svoi militeri atashe in RUSSLAND.Znat ne po naslishke, mosh Vashix Militeri, ja ne (govnoit) idiot in world Mishka-Saakishvili !!!
Kto ne znat, pozalsta ssilka na mny.
Voobsheto o4ered v posledni idiot world dovolno plotnij.
U vas gospoda priyatno udivliat Kalibr, takoi shum-gam-tar-ra-ram, 4to uze groziat prizvat svoi analitik k otvet.

[Zmei]

And we can not only "pleasantly surprise" with "Caliber" :

[Kunar]

And not only, and not so much)))

[Altona]

What was the board game? Either headquarters exercises on maps with positional areas, places of advancement, dropping of troops, the location of airfields and launchers, air defense coverage areas ... Technically, NATO's potential is still several times larger than ours, both in terms of equipment and personnel ... We are now and there are no serious allies, except for our nuclear triad, army and navy ... Another question is that NATO is a large bureaucratic structure, where interaction on Clause 5 of the Charter is connected with hearings in the parliaments of these states, that is, "democratically" Germany may "intercede" for Estonia in a week, maybe in a month, and most likely will not intercede at all, because "Gazprom" will simply turn off the gas. The United States can swing fleets and squadrons as much as it wants, but erasing California, Florida and Texas into powder will put an end to the prospects of any war at all, even with Indians ... We also have many vulnerabilities, but the main, small population ...

[science fiction writer]

in one of the most famous battles of Operation Desert Storm. In 23 minutes, the McGregor battalion completely destroyed the armored brigade of the Iraqi army (including almost 70 armored vehicles), losing one soldier. Speaking a year later at a “debriefing” military conference, Air Force General Jack Welsh called the 73 Easting fight (name by map coordinates) “an astounding and stunning victory”, but then McGregor made the calculations and came to the conclusion that if he the unit was faced with a well-trained and armed opponent like the Russians, the outcome of the battle could be different. Therefore, four years later he published a book called Breaking The Phalanx (Breaking the Grounds), in which he proposed a reform in the ground forces, creating a "modular organizational and staffing structure of highly mobile and independent combined arms units." Dennis Reimer, the then chief of staff of the ground forces, approved his recommendations and ordered that each army general be given a copy of McGregor's book. But McGregor has not yet finished his battle. In early September 2015, he sent out a presentation in PowerPoint, in which he showed that if the American armored division would face a probable Russian enemy face to face, it would be defeated. “Defeat is the wrong word,” McGregor told me last week. - It’s more correct to say that it will be destroyed

Seem really crap ..

[bad]

the outcome of any war is decided in real life .. and this .. some kind of game ..

[ML-334]

In practice: whether ours will give them an hour for lunch and whether they will fight without lunch, I see problems after four hours and not eight, like a general.

[de_monSher]

Yyyyyyy ... *)))

PoppyGregor Poppymaster ... Scots, still do not like the Anglo-Saxons, anyway ... *)))

[Weyland]

Quote: de_monSher

Scots still do not like the Anglo-Saxons

Well, Poppy-Kane generally doesn’t like Russian much more ...

[Weyland]

Quote: de_monSher

Scots still do not like the Anglo-Saxons

Well, Poppy-Kane generally doesn’t like Russian much more ...

[Old warrior]

They make a fool of our brother. Only Our Flag over Washington can prove that our Army is stronger than the American

[Army soldier2]

Quote: pascal309

Something suspicious in recent times, the media have praised either the equipment of Russia, the Army, or the soldier, that we are the strongest, the best, the coolest, that we will defeat everyone, etc. Why is this propaganda in the foreign press. Maybe someone can clearly explain the alignment?

The reasons are many. Let me highlight three:
1. The US needs to persuade (force) its NATO partners to spend at least 2% of GDP on military needs and, thereby, reduce its burden on NATO maintenance (so far it’s not very good).
2. Stronger anchoring of NATO and EU allies against the background of the "threat" emanating from Russia.
3. Increase the US military budget. Give additional funding to the US military industry.

[T-73]

Maybe they also conduct command-staff exercises at home? And this is their normal practice - in the form of "Monopoly"?

[Reptiloid]

You can laugh at both those and others ...
It's great that a lot of people say, "The American army has been defeated."

[3vs]

Snowden played for the “red” on the Internet!

[Erzya]

The correct translation is "blue", not "blue".

[Free Cossack]

Of course this is nonsense. But how nice ........

[silayev]

Quote: voyaka uh

If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
4 years suffered from them defeat?

[cniza]

Quote: Baikonur

And this is PENDAGON? !!!

Zamanuha, when the enemy praises you, it is dangerous and alarming.

[Bosk]

Again they will ask for money!

[cniza]

Quote: Bosk

Again they will ask for money!

Definitely.

[kill the fascist]

It seems like a complete crap. so that the American generals begin to sincerely praise the army of the probable (I would say so far the only real enemy, China is not yet fighters) opponent ... this is nonsense. they’re catching horror on their leadership so that they shake the moshna and give out more money.

[Borus017]

Quotes taken out of context - not good.

[Val_y]

Quote: Vladimir

For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
But I like! I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
Personally, I don’t believe in their cries all the while having weaned ourselves.

Exactly, as Joseph Vissarionovich said, "If Our enemies praise us, then we do something wrong, and vice versa, if they scold us, then we do what is needed."

[Kelnot]

I'm not a pessimistic bore. This year he returned from the army. So, if you take my part, where I served, then it would simply be rolled out into ... files. The training of personnel tends to 0, soldiers, not all, but most are not mentally stable. Why am I writing this? He himself joined the army at 26, after a tower and two specializations. It is very clear that children at the age of 18-19 are sooo weak in everything.

[Spnsr]

Quote: Kelnot

I'm not a pessimistic bore. This year he returned from the army. So, if you take my part, where I served, then it would simply be rolled out into ... files. The training of personnel tends to 0, soldiers, not all, but most are not mentally stable. Why am I writing this? He himself joined the army at 26, after a tower and two specializations. It is very clear that children at the age of 18-19 are sooo weak in everything.

6 years ago I also saw 18-19 year olds, look like this, sap.lya sap.lei, but only you go out with them in the field, or into the forest, and the eye rejoices ...
it’s often necessary to climb fields and forests, not a field exit, so tactics, not tactics like shooting ...
and physically, the combined-arms standards on average passed on more than good, they were limping in the combat drill))) but only the RPK is not lame
served there! Where?

[Kelnot]

And we didn’t have this, just jerk off the Charters on the "takeoff" ..
I do not argue that there is a military unit where the service takes place as you described. But I ended up in another, where I sent the draft board to Moscow.

[Prisoner]

They decided to take their power for a causal place, which would turn on financing. Frank lobbying for the interests of the local military-industrial complex and nothing more. I would not want to check their models on the field. It will be hard. We’ll overcome it, but we’ll have to pay a big price and everything.

[Seneca]

Hypothetically, a military conflict with the United States happened to be destroyed. The one who has strong allies will have an advantage. I haven’t counted more than one. The United States has just over five. Moreover, these are serious allies. And hot heads always forget the USSR defeated Germany in the union with the most powerful powers at that time and their allies. If Germany concluded an alliance with the Americans, the outcome would be completely different. Well, China is not our ally, and it is not known whose side it will take .. most likely the strong side. And strong is the one who has a significant allied resource.

[Secta haki]

After the victory (?) Jointly with the Anglo-Americans over Sovestka Russia, Germany and Japan turned around and would eat small-scale and the United States.

On the Soviet front, 80% of German soldiers were worn ...

The Second World War, like the First, was not conceived for this purpose, but in order to kill more Slavs
The United States, heating and lubricating this meat grinder, traded on both sides directly or through neutrals.

[afrikanez]

Serious dudes in the Pentagon are sitting Well, at least they’ve played out something before and now they’re probably thinking. that they throw a dough?

[Seneca]

Don’t worry, and in the American flyman, schools and electives will not be closed because of this.

[Wolka]

and the conclusion is simple, you need to prepare for any actions, including military ones, underestimating the potential enemy is the second mistake that very often those who start the war make, and the first is deciding on the start of hostilities, i.e. in general, the failure of the situation, confirming their own incompetence and failure, and there are no hopeless situations, there is only human stupidity and laziness, everything else is already derived from the first two ...

[tommy717]

[quote=elder][quote=mark2] And they are also afraid of our whole history. They also know that Russia is the only country that has not lost serious wars in its entire history. [/quote] - my neighbor has a harmful dog, a German. On a walk, he lunges at my dog ​​(I have a healthy Muscovite, 80 kg), it’s clear that he himself is afraid to the point of colic; when he jumps away, he whines with fear, but nevertheless he still rushes and tries to bite. The Americans remind me of such a dog - they whine with fear, they rush out of the windows shouting “the Russians are coming!”, they write off dozens of destroyers after slightly noisy flights of Russian planes, the Marines admit in interviews: “when it comes down to it, they’ll kick our asses!” ... But nevertheless they are climbing, it’s not the Russians that are climbing to their borders, but they!


I remember one story. The military commissar of a small provincial town had a German shepherd - the winner of various competitions, who always had a bunch of well-deserved awards hanging on his chest. No one has ever seen this dog change his calm and equanimity. One day, a military commissar, going into a store, left his pet on the street, where he calmly waited for his owner. At this time, some mongrel ran up to the shepherd and began barking at her. Seeing that the dog was not reacting to her, she went into a rage and was ready to almost grab the shepherd’s throat. This scene was seen by the owner leaving the store. A short command “Fas” and after a second “Fu”. The dog just turned around in a jump towards the mongrel and immediately sat down. The mongrel’s hind legs immediately gave out and she only began to crawl away on her front legs, leaving behind a large yellow spot. Like this. And the USA must be destroyed!

[Logos]

Quote: Vladimir

For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
But I like! I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
I personally don’t believe in their cries we all.

They really are o.c.u.u.t. But not the Russians, but cuts in the US military budget. That is why their army and military-industrial complex periodically publish alarmist articles in the press, designed to prove that the army and military-industrial complex do not give enough money for defense, they need more

In Russia the situation is exactly the opposite. The military-industrial complex needs to prove its usefulness and usefulness by any means, so as not to fall under the next wave of liberal “optimization”, so articles are published about those that have no analogues in the world, just give money for them

[Evil 55]

What is joy for a Russian, is death in agony for an American...

[AGV Pagan]

These Americans have nothing else to do....
So they play toy soldiers!

[_GSVG_]

The article is nothing, there was no reason to put it here

[EvgenSad]

http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/2416516
These games taught the Pentagon nothing

[Rus62]

After all, from the taiga to the British seas, the Russian army is the strongest! :)

[Denis Skiff]

If the damned enemy praises you, be prepared for anything!

[dchegrinec]

I wonder how they played, clicking on the soldiers?