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During the Pentagon’s “tabletop exercise”, the American army was defeated by the Russian

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American edition Political decided to present material on the balance of forces and the level of training of the American and Russian armies, and the level of training of different years. The material is based on statements by former and current representatives of the main US military department. Former representatives of the Pentagon believe that in today's situation the comparison is not in favor of the American army.


The material is based on the opinions of two large American servicemen who at one time participated in Operation Desert Storm (1991 year) and are now members of the Senate Arms Committee. This is about retired Colonel McGregore and Lieutenant General McMaster. Both reflect on what would have happened if the current army of the Russian Federation had opposed the American forces in Iraq.

From the material (translation RIA News):
McGregor calculated that if his unit were opposed by a more skilled and better armed opponent, for example, the Russian army, the outcome of the battle would be different.


MacGregor himself:
If the Russian army was in the place of our opponent, the American army would have lost. Although “losing” would not be the exact term. Rather, our army would be destroyed ...


Next comes the consideration of the capabilities of the American and Russian armies already in modern conditions. The US military, members of the Senate Arms Committee, called the Russian army "an almost equal adversary."

The current Pentagon officials believe that, even in modern conditions, the comparison is not in favor of the US Army. It is noteworthy that this conclusion was reached at the Pentagon based on the results of the “table exercises”.

During the Pentagon’s “tabletop exercise”, the American army was defeated by the Russian


During the "exercises", the "blue" (USA and NATO) suffered defeats in different opposition modes from the "red" (Russia) after the 8 hours of "duel". Who played for the "red" - not reported ...
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 5 November 2015 17: 05 New
    100
    For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
    But I like! fellow I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. good Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
    I personally don’t believe in their cries we all.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 5 November 2015 17: 08 New
      +6
      Yes, they all chopped up with Anasha. board exercises ... This is how I played Cossacks in childhood as a passer

      I am very skeptical about computer modeling, but here is the table and the game. This is something wrong)

      Maybe they just pissed ahead of schedule and decided to give such a break?)

      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 5 November 2015 17: 11 New
        22
        Kindergarten! Moreover, the younger group! And, probably, they also voiced: “Bah-Bah! Tra-ta-ta! You-dy-dysch! BREATH!
        Or whatever they mean: "Bang Bang!"
        Smiled! smile
        And this is PENDAGON? !!!
        1. svp67
          svp67 5 November 2015 17: 34 New
          39
          Quote: Baikonur
          Kindergarten!

          Just "translation difficulties," our counterpart is called "command post exercises." Normal practice. They worked out various options on the maps and honestly I think that the result was not the same as it was announced to us. Although the "legend of the teachings" is not known, what goals did they set for the "opponents", what forces attracted, what coefficients did they use?
          1. Temples
            Temples 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
            70
            All this for squeezing funds from the budget.
            Like, look how we lagged behind the Russians.
            Trillions are needed to catch up with the Russians.
            Otherwise, they will destroy armeriku.
            Demonization of Russia continues
            Bucks rule the brains of amers
            1. Jack-b
              Jack-b 5 November 2015 17: 52 New
              28
              Quote: Temples
              All this for squeezing funds from the budget.

              100%. Otherwise, it would not be leaked to the press. Most likely this is an attempt to put pressure on the monkey in order to cancel the reduction of the military budget.
              1. severniy
                severniy 5 November 2015 22: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Vladimir
                For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
                But I like! fellow I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. good Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
                I personally don’t believe in their cries we all.

                xs xs .., you just have to look at their landing in the sands of Portugal, or the mass dismissal from Donald Cook ...
                so we can throw in, but the fact that the bulk of the war "on relaxation", just making money - is a fact ..
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 6 November 2015 06: 45 New
                  +2
                  If they decided to fight in the Chapaya, then for a start they could try to take revenge from the Vietnamese army.
                2. edge
                  edge 7 November 2015 09: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: severniy
                  For me, this is informational stuffing related to information warfare.

                  this is the normal, purposeful, planned work of the headquarters — they assess the potential, the degree of threats, look for the strengths and weaknesses of all participants, as well as countermeasures, consider prospects and possible results
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 5 November 2015 19: 04 New
              +5
              Quote: Temples
              All this for squeezing funds from the budget.

              This aspect is present in any statement of the US generals. But even discarding the results of the board game data and just thinking? Can the states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war? Personally, I doubt very much. They have no such practice. Yes, and the strength of mind Russians will be stronger. And I think that they understand this very well.
              1. nikpwolf
                nikpwolf 5 November 2015 22: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: EvgNik
                Can the states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war? Personally, I doubt very much. They have no such practice. Yes, and the strength of mind Russians will be stronger. And I think that they understand this very well.

                If again, according to some plan, “Barberry”, then it is unlikely. But if it is protracted ... Well, again, with the combined forces of the "saviors of all and sundry" to fight. Yes, under non-current rulers. There is HZ.
              2. edge
                edge 7 November 2015 09: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: EvgNik
                But even discarding the results of the board game data and just thinking? Can the states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war?

                they all know this .... the question is what will happen if the Russians transfer their forces across the oceans. We were in the 20s and after a couple of fights, they didn’t even try to participate in the fighting, they were engaged in looting ....
                1. Wildcat-731
                  Wildcat-731 7 November 2015 14: 40 New
                  0
                  Quote: hert
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  But even discarding the results of the board game data and just thinking? Can the states defeat Russia in a non-nuclear war?

                  they all know this .... the question is what will happen if the Russians transfer their forces across the oceans. We were in the 20s and after a couple of fights, they didn’t even try to participate in the fighting, they were engaged in looting ....

                  I’ll say for the 20 years: on the Murmansk the Yankees were filled with the muzzle of the Red Army, and in Primorye the Amers were "treated" by the Parisians; there is evidence that they "treated" from "both sides," that is. not only red partisans, but also Semenovtsy and Kalmykivtsi. fellow
          2. figwam
            figwam 5 November 2015 18: 02 New
            +6
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Baikonur
            Kindergarten!

            Just "translation difficulties," our counterpart is called "command post exercises." Normal practice. They worked out various options on the maps and honestly I think that the result was not the same as it was announced to us. Although the "legend of the teachings" is not known, what goals did they set for the "opponents", what forces attracted, what coefficients did they use?

            I agree, it’s a common practice, to save money and engine life, operational-strategic "games" on the maps of senior officers, by the way, such games were held by the General Staff in the USSR in 1940-1941 and everything turned out very similar to the reality that happened in June 1941, they are now being carried out electronically.
        2. Sid.74
          Sid.74 5 November 2015 18: 01 New
          17
          Who played for the "red" - not reported ...

          Oh really... laughing
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 5 November 2015 19: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: Baikonur
          Kindergarten! Moreover, the younger group! And, probably, they also voiced: “Bah-Bah! Tra-ta-ta! You-dy-dysch! BREATH!
          Or whatever they mean: "Bang Bang!"

          I immediately remembered the phrase-EH I have not taken a long time, Petka, SOMETHING CHECKERS! laughing
        4. Persistent
          Persistent 5 November 2015 20: 08 New
          +1
          Already the whole world is the smell of singed hair from the American ass !!!
        5. edge
          edge 7 November 2015 09: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Baikonur
          Kindergarten! Moreover, the younger group! And, probably, they also voiced: “Ba-Bah! Tra-ta-ta!

          my friend, you would first take a course in elementary military education, and only then you will be tried and tried. An ignoramus can judge your profession in the same way. Take a ride in a blanket and scream there. soldier
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 5 November 2015 17: 39 New
        +9
        St Petrov

        No need to discount computer simulation. Strategies in the game world are already about 15. The algorithm has been developed and perfected. The probability of error, intuitively, is about 15%.

        In other words, under given conditions, the development of the event is predicted with an accuracy of at least 15% error. (intuitively)

        The US Army is no weaker than the Russian Army. This is definitely for the current period in the next 5 years.
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
        12
        Quote: c-Petrov
        and then the table and the game. This is something wrong.)



        From time immemorial, the General Staffs conducted team-head games on tables and maps ... Now they are modernized, involving computer simulation ...

        These KSHs, with more or less real introductory ones, make it possible to theoretically foresee possible gaps in the actions of their army ...
      4. quote
        quote 5 November 2015 19: 33 New
        +3
        village Petrov (1) RU Today, 17:08 ↑

        Yes, they all chopped up with Anasha. board exercises ... This is how I played Cossacks in childhood as a passer

        Thank you for the "chuckle." But you "soaked in an adult."
        It’s good that even with straw, they didn’t crack! Hay, just like cocaine.
      5. edge
        edge 7 November 2015 09: 29 New
        0
        Quote: c-Petrov
        Yes, they all chopped up with Anasha. board exercises ... This is how I played Cossacks in childhood as a passer

        uh, no brother is the ability to think strategically and calculate options, we have been taught this from the first courses in military schools: on the layout of the area everything is simpler, easier and more accessible.
    2. Civil
      Civil 5 November 2015 17: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir
      Whether the generals are bad


      Judging by the publications in VO, the population is preparing for war, apparently someone has nothing to lose?
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 5 November 2015 17: 15 New
        +6
        If you want peace - prepare for war (s). You know who said
        1. meriem1
          meriem1 5 November 2015 17: 50 New
          +5
          Quote: Volodin
          If you want peace - prepare for war (s). You know who said


          Si vis pacem, para bellum. Cornelius Nepot ... And according to unverified data, iron Bismarck loved this phrase
      2. Dyagilev
        Dyagilev 5 November 2015 17: 15 New
        +4
        So Putin also told gas masks to check ... belay
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 46 New
        +7
        Quote: Civil
        Judging by the publications in VO, the population is preparing for war, apparently someone has nothing to lose?



        IN the entire population of Russia does not read ...

        But the fact that they raise the question of improving the training of governors and mayors of all degrees in mobility, about putting some order in the means of protecting the population at the level of the President - this is an indicator ...
        1. Kunar
          Kunar 8 November 2015 13: 34 New
          +1
          I agree. Not that there is a contingent here. For the Soviet regime it is not necessary to agitate)))) Here and so all are devoted to her wholeheartedly.
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    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 November 2015 17: 13 New
      14
      Quote: Vladimir
      Whether the generals are bad

      Everything is explainable. They are yelling now that they have lost everything, that they are so frail, and Russia is so strong. And to pill them, as it really is. Behind these cries of them is not a real look at events, but rather stupidly "GIVE MONEY!"

      And did someone seriously think that two Americans would tell everyone that the American army was not operational? Just a fight for financing, one of the tactics.
    5. svetoruss
      svetoruss 5 November 2015 17: 15 New
      +1
      The Americans probably do not know that any army that encounters the Russian Army will sooner or later receive bribes ...
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 5 November 2015 17: 23 New
        16
        Quote: svetoruss
        The Americans probably do not know that any army that encounters the Russian Army will sooner or later receive bribes ...

        They will receive it of course, but I liked it more when we were scolded in the west (it was somehow calmer))) If the enemy praises, then something is not right! That kind of thought goes right away ... hi
        1. mark2
          mark2 5 November 2015 19: 05 New
          +8
          And they do not praise. They do not understand how it is possible with such a modest, in their opinion, budget of the army to conduct such effective military operations as they were in Georgia and now in Syria. As possible, by order of the President, without careful preparation, to transfer huge masses of troops from one place to many thousands of kilometers, even within the country. But which country !! 11 time zones, the area coverage is equal to the surface area of ​​Pluto.
          They are afraid of the speed with which our military plans and carries out operations. And they are afraid of our whole story. After all, they also know that Russia is the only country that does not lose serious wars in its entire history.

          And all this and much more, their confusion leads to fear at the level of the subcortex. Their Elite, and especially the military elite (the most educated by the way) know that if Russia starts the game seriously, then the whole World lives with caution, not a single gun has the right to fire without the permission of Russia.
          Well, plus the recreated and active today shield of Russian air defense, control of space on the continent. The Pentagon generals know that breaking through it without huge losses in strength and with great probability will get it back in the teeth will fail. And you need to do something, but they don’t know what to do. It’s kind of throwing a fishing rod: “Hello, we are looking for talents! Who would give us an idea”)
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 5 November 2015 19: 59 New
            +9
            Quote: mark2
            And they are afraid of our whole story. After all, they also know that Russia is the only country that does not lose serious wars in its entire history.
            “My neighbor has a mischievous dog, a German.” During a walk, he throws himself at my dog ​​(I have a healthy Muscovite, 80 kg), it is clear that he himself is afraid to colic, when he bounces, he whimpers with fear, but nevertheless he throws himself and strives to grab him. Here Americans remind me of such a dog - they already whimper with fear, rush out of the windows screaming “Russians are coming!”, Dozens are written off from the destroyer after a bit of noisy flights of Russian planes, the marines admit in an interview: “if it comes to business, they will kick our asses!” ... laughing Nevertheless, they climb, not the Russians, however, climb to their borders, namely they! What kind of power drives them like that? The Russians did not encounter such fear, only the reluctance of war, but this is not fear, namely the reluctance of war. That dog has a guard reflex. And what drives them here? Hunger is not an aunt, well, so they are there in the USA and do not starve laughing What kind of power is stronger than their own and highly justified fear? I don’t understand laughing
            PS Gryat, fear is a sure tip. My dog ​​somehow lost his temper, and the fears of that shepherd were completely justified - for a long time the owner treated him, and still does not greet me. I think the final in the Russian-Amer clash the final will be the same
      2. Zlatik
        Zlatik 8 November 2015 11: 44 New
        0
        Amerikosy will rake in any case and in any way !!!!!
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 5 November 2015 17: 34 New
      17
      Quote: Vladimir
      I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t.

      Guys is an ordinary team-headquarters game, which is played by all the general staffs of the world, including ours, and if they brought the results to the surface, it means they just stupidly require money to develop the budget. We don’t have to throw our caps over, if the USA praises someone, we need to be on our guard.
      1. cergey51046
        cergey51046 5 November 2015 18: 45 New
        +4
        At first they started team-head games on the table, but in the middle of the games they went under the table.
      2. Dryuya2
        Dryuya2 5 November 2015 19: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: vovanpain
        if you brought the results to the surface, then they just stupidly require money

        good
      3. Marconi41
        Marconi41 6 November 2015 00: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        Guys is an ordinary command and staff game, which is played by all the General Staffs of the world.

        If “Desert Storm” was played out with the replacement of Hussein’s army by the Russian army, then the US military is probably right - they would even lose on the cards. But they did not expect to encounter a more combat-ready army there. I would like to discard emotions and learn more about this. On which theater were the “battles” fought, what forces were introduced into it, and what weapons were used? In addition, what is considered a loss is also a very interesting question. Waterloo has not been canceled.
    7. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 5 November 2015 17: 57 New
      0
      Play toy soldiers, partners, always on the table and better constantly. The MIRU will be calmer.
    8. jovanni
      jovanni 5 November 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      They are trying to hang noodles on our ears. No need to pay attention to such stuffing, the wolves are trying to pretend to be miserable defenseless sheep.
    9. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 5 November 2015 18: 36 New
      +2
      This is a document of two arms committees ... They are just trying to knock out money for weapons. Lobbyists of military companies
    10. AlexTires
      AlexTires 5 November 2015 19: 37 New
      +1
      That's right, we don’t need to relax! angry
    11. Old old
      Old old 6 November 2015 00: 54 New
      0
      Personally, I don’t believe in their cries all the while having weaned ourselves.

      In this way they increase their budget!
    12. Old old
      Old old 6 November 2015 00: 54 New
      +2
      Personally, I don’t believe in their cries all the while having weaned ourselves.

      In this way they increase their budget!
    13. kamski
      kamski 6 November 2015 05: 16 New
      +2
      Urgent give money "ENEMY" on the doorstep
    14. Madcape
      Madcape 7 November 2015 23: 03 New
      0
      do not flatter yourself. They are from Russia doing the "fiend of hell", which means they are "shaking" grandmothers from their people to wars and defense. Orders. There are no seven spans in the forehead.
  2. altman
    altman 5 November 2015 17: 05 New
    +7
    Fine! Only without hatred !!
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 5 November 2015 17: 40 New
      +2
      Not any hatred. laughing All headquarters games always ended with the defeat of the United States. Yet since the time of the Union.
      There is reason to reflect.
      Either more capable staffers play for the Russians, or the initial conditions contribute, which means- what are we really stronger?
      But by golly, all this is designed for the internal consumer.
      The task is to scare cooler the townsfolk, senators, congressmen, and the other riffraff.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 5 November 2015 18: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrea
        Either more capable staffers play for the Russians, or do the initial conditions contribute, which means we are really stronger?

        Why don’t you remember the old Jewish joke about twice two, do we buy or sell?
        If the blue win against the red, then this is the 3rd Patriotic War. And so try to break through the air defense, try to swim to the shores. All power is very quickly multiplied by zero. I’m silent about the ground operation
        1. your1970
          your1970 5 November 2015 19: 34 New
          +1
          swam up, broke through, and then .... there are no roads — some directions and the population is looking askance ..fellow fellow
          What’s the goal of “capturing” is unrealistic, but even if it’s captured, it’s necessary to hold on to it (which still hasn’t come from anyone!) And get at least some broth (it’s also problematic, I’ll go to break gas pipelines myself repeat!! if that ..) - otherwise it makes no sense ...
          And money-cap, cap, cap, CAP, CAP !!!! - but there are no incomes.
          Something like this (but on a very miserable scale) is happening now in Ukraine with the Americans, it seems they’ve gotten into it, everything seems to be great, but there’s no big deal and is not expected ...
      2. mark2
        mark2 5 November 2015 19: 11 New
        +4
        But the thing is this! USA maritime power. Russia is land. American power rests on the AUG and the Marines. Russian on a powerful tank fist, aviation and air defense systems. The United States will never be able to win a war against a land army without a comparable strength. It’s like in a dispute between a whale and an elephant, who will pull someone. Of course the elephant. Traction is stronger than with water.
        And then how can one embrace the immense and surround the unenclosed ?!
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 5 November 2015 20: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: mark2
          It’s like in a dispute between a whale and an elephant, who will pull someone.

          Americans predict a lot of things. For example, a crocodile defeats a lion, but is gnawed by a bear, but all three lose the hippo.
      3. Sterlya
        Sterlya 5 November 2015 19: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrea
        Either more capable staffers play for the Russians, or the initial conditions contribute, which means- what are we, which is really stronger?
        But by golly, all this is designed for the internal consumer.
        The task is to scare cooler the townsfolk, senators, congressmen, and the other riffraff.

        Grandmas kicked out of Congress, they don’t have enough money to scare the Papuans, there’s still a lot of frightened smile
      4. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
        Vladimir Pozlnyakov 5 November 2015 21: 59 New
        +2
        It was all this, though not without reason !!! In Khrushchev’s time, bomb shelters were built in every yard and farm! And the schools took civil defense courses!
        During the Caribbean Crisis, about 3 million Florida residents in fear rushed to Mexico and Texas! And then USAvki escalated tension inside the country and outside!
    2. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 5 November 2015 17: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: altman
      Fine! Only without hatred !!

      That's right. If the enemy praises "you" - it means at the very time, at least, alert.
    3. skifd
      skifd 5 November 2015 20: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: altman
      Fine! Only without hatred !!


      The most dangerous is underestimating the enemy. Our opponents, in view of the recent events, seem to have already “reckoned” with this. Why do we need a "rake".

      Here's a video showing some of the capabilities of Americans. The video can be considered controversial, recalling our analogues, but we can talk not only about technical resources and ideological motivation, but also about mobilization resources. It is naive to believe that in the event of a conflict there will be a “one-on-one honest brawl” without the indirect participation of sat.





      Yes, I understand perfectly well that these "videos" are like the fight against "terrorists", but also, without aggravating themselves with moral rules, they are "fighting" with the peaceful population. Here we have such an “adversary". IMHO.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 5 November 2015 22: 06 New
        +3
        And if the "enemy" had MANPADS, large-caliber. machine guns, then there would be no such filming. On the first day of work, Amer. turntables in Afghanistan showed that the most suitable ammunition was NARs, because it was impossible to aim with APs, and even more so with ATGMs. Starting NAR and stalling from a combat course. The main thing was speed and maneuverability. And in order to freeze like this and aimly hammer it, well, it’s only to drive the spirits. And we are at least talking about an equivalent opponent. hi
      2. mAgs
        mAgs 6 November 2015 13: 59 New
        +1
        Something the last video (5 minute) is more like a clipping from a game like calloph dyuti. The talks are “clean”, the words in English are not the same as those from the 15 minute, the emotional color of the voice is too neutral. So it seems to me. But in general, just hang and spin without a response from MANPADS, large-caliber machine guns and ZSU only terr. and the militia can afford. Comrades, who knows, at what level (battalion, division, regiment) are there any means to combat these flying targets (with the exception of shells, beeches, shilok, etc.)?
      3. Yars
        Yars 7 November 2015 21: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: skifd
        Quote: altman
        Fine! Only without hatred !!


        The most dangerous is underestimating the enemy. Our opponents, in view of the recent events, seem to have already “reckoned” with this. Why do we need a "rake".

        Here's a video showing some of the capabilities of Americans. The video can be considered controversial, recalling our analogues, but we can talk not only about technical resources and ideological motivation, but also about mobilization resources. It is naive to believe that in the event of a conflict there will be a “one-on-one honest brawl” without the indirect participation of sat.

        Yes, I understand perfectly well that these "videos" are like the fight against "terrorists", but also, without aggravating themselves with moral rules, they are "fighting" with the peaceful population. Here we have such an “adversary". IMHO.

        like somewhere they said that these videos from a video game of some kind
  3. Sterlya
    Sterlya 5 November 2015 17: 06 New
    0
    even lost in the desktop smile The democratizers of the Papuans damn it. am
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 November 2015 17: 06 New
    +1
    Surprised ...! laughing
  5. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 5 November 2015 17: 07 New
    +1
    Who played for the Reds? - not reported ...

    How is this who ???? SAM !!!!

    In general, an interesting life in American warriors. The ground army is playing in the soldiers, the navy is in a naval battle, the plane shot into the air - already an achievement ....
  6. MolGro
    MolGro 5 November 2015 17: 07 New
    23
    Well, if you recall their protege, then things are very bad in the United States!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 November 2015 17: 20 New
      -2
      If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
      4 years suffered from them defeat?
      1. just exp
        just exp 5 November 2015 17: 28 New
        +5
        so they are essentially fighting the same.
        Arabs, they are Arabs, though the Syrians are fighting an order of magnitude better than the Saudis.
      2. vsoltan
        vsoltan 5 November 2015 17: 31 New
        -8
        Yes, because in the Syrian army no less stupid .... Remember 80 ... the Syrians do not want and cannot fight ... because, I believe, the Russian mission in Syria will be unsuccessful ... it is, of course, prestigious to get involved in a risky adventure ... honor and respect, but oil does not go up much in price ... fight, of course , and you can barefoot ... but it’s better with a covered strong economy, which, alas, we don’t have ... we would better understand the Donbass, at least Russians are there. Yes, and it is not clear that our VKS bomb there? Some headquarters, warehouses, etc ... .. the only bridge across the Euphrates was demolished ... and then, thank God, they thought of it ... and any transport arteries should be cut + pipelines ... then the ISIS’s financial supply will run out ... they’ll start to dissolve ... IMHO
        1. adept666
          adept666 5 November 2015 17: 39 New
          +6
          Yes, because in the Syrian army no less stupid
          Normally they are fighting, you even saw shots of city battles especially the work of tanks. Look at the footage of the work of our tanks in the first Chechen one in Grozny. I would not say that the Asad forces are worse off.
        2. Sterlya
          Sterlya 5 November 2015 19: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: vsoltan
          Yes, because in the Syrian army no less stupid .... Remember the 80s ... the Syrians do not want and cannot fight ... because, I believe, the Russian mission in Syria will be unsuccessful ... it is, of course, prestigious to get involved in a risky adventure ... honor and respect, but oil does not go up much in price ... fight, of course , and you can bare-handed ... but it’s better with a covered strong economy, which, alas, we don’t have ... we would better understand the Donbass, at least Russians are there.

          Not everyone can stand it, and Syria without the help of Russia could not stand all of these terrorists, who are supported by all democracy. Plus, Israel spoils periodically.
        3. Olkass
          Olkass 5 November 2015 21: 36 New
          +1
          Do you remember the 80s? Have you seen Lenin?
          Lord! The archistratig has descended upon us! Praise you, God.
          And what are you still not the chief of staff of the Russian Federation? Vladimir Vladimirovich, Sergey Kuzhugetovich - is there such a shot about it? - bali? Well, it doesn’t matter, they missed it.
          Glory, forgive us. In Russia, everything is somehow through ...
          You didn’t check it out. EC, loshki, in a word! crying
          You won’t believe this: "... cut transport arteries + pipelines ... then ISIS’s financial support will run out ..." - Incredible !!! A new word, in general, in military affairs and geopolitics. I can authoritatively declare: if there was a Nobel in geopolitics and warfare, both would be yours!
          Well, when the "financial replenishment" runs out, then for sure the damned igilians will only have to "start to resolve themselves." Moreover, each other, there is no way out, the recharge is over.
          Your sofa is not very hard, I hope?
      3. 2s1122
        2s1122 5 November 2015 17: 33 New
        +2
        Yes, they are not stupid, they simply breed their electorate for money what and it does come out yes
      4. MolGro
        MolGro 5 November 2015 17: 35 New
        +2
        from Syria to Israel is not far) So in your own skin you have a chance to find out if it is true or not) Or maybe really fools !! ??
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
          -1
          Molqro

          You can, of course, continue to yell ...: "Srail, zhidi damned" ... etc., however, it is better to build relations with Israel, pragmatic and almost a third almost Russian, than with unreliable Arabs ... paid attention that In the last 1,5 years, did Israel actually blame us? It’s worth considering ... with whom to be friends. ...
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 5 November 2015 18: 20 New
            0
            Quote: vsoltan
            It is worth considering ... with whom to be friends. ...

            Israel thought and chose Russia. wink
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          3. just exp
            just exp 5 November 2015 18: 24 New
            +3
            Is Israel a reliable partner? Israel has only one reliable partner, it is the United States, the rest is just a tool to achieve its goals.
          4. MolGro
            MolGro 6 November 2015 05: 48 New
            -1
            The title defender of the faith you have earned!
            Contact the Society for the Protection of Jews from People!
            And as for the damned people, I completely agree, it had to be done so that Jews would kill Jews)) Ps Palestinians are Jews who remained in Israel and lived there all the time, well, only Islam accepted)
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      6. adept666
        adept666 5 November 2015 17: 44 New
        +2
        If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
        4 years suffered from them defeat?
        Because your allies, the USA, are constantly preparing new and new mercenaries from every hole, wherever you look, they recruit, finance, prepare and arm through their Arab satellites. So it turns out that Assad is at war with Hydra, chopping his head, and in her place two, chopping two - the 4th appears, etc.
      7. ML-334
        ML-334 5 November 2015 17: 58 New
        +2
        You just don’t have to jerk, you know perfectly well what the Islamic State is and who is behind it. Israel, including when they hammer on the Syrian army in response to the bearded.
      8. papas-57
        papas-57 5 November 2015 18: 36 New
        +3
        `` If they are so stupid, then why did the Syrian army suffer defeats from them for 4 years? '' The question must be posed in a different way - if all Arabs are good fighters, then why didn’t they destroy their worst enemy Israel in 68 years with the equivalent weapons (delivered by the USSR) and with multiple superiority in manpower. Arabs do not know how to fight, religion does not allow fighting during prayers (and there are six of them during the day, if I am not mistaken). Yes, and they are greedy for money, sold easily to the one who pays the most.
        1. mark2
          mark2 5 November 2015 19: 22 New
          +1
          and the answer is on the surface. Standing face to face with the enemy country of Israel, a huge US carcass can be seen behind her. Arabs, no matter how they were fighters, but there are no fools among them. Snooping in Israel will deal with the United States. And the Arabs of the country will bomb small ones like nefig do. But if the US position is suddenly weakened, if a miracle happens and the United States cannot push its fleets into the Persian Gulf, then there will be no stone left from Israel.
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      10. mark2
        mark2 5 November 2015 19: 15 New
        +3
        4 years defeated? Very interesting! do you understand the phrase? 4 years, wow! defeat once. Everything else is failure in battle! as long as the army is able to resist, while it is conducting active hostilities, it has not lost the war.
      11. Days
        Days 5 November 2015 20: 05 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
        4 years suffered from them defeat?

        I would venture to suggest that Assad’s defeat from ISIS and the “moderate” opposition due to help from Qatari, Saudi and NATO allies.
      12. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 5 November 2015 20: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        If they are so stupid, then why did the Syrian army suffer defeats from them for 4 years?

        I’ll see how much Israel holds out against gangs financed and armed by the US and NATO, I doubt that Israel would have lived 4 years .......
        1. Days
          Days 5 November 2015 20: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: Ramzaj99
          Quote: voyaka uh
          If they are so stupid, then why did the Syrian army suffer defeats from them for 4 years?

          I’ll see how much Israel holds out against gangs financed and armed by the US and NATO, I doubt that Israel would have lived 4 years .......

          Well, to be honest, Israel is supported and armed with the US / NATO. And because of that, it still exists. Without direct military support, the outcome of a series of wars against all neighbors would be slightly different, but the United States needs an instrument in the region in addition to the Saudis.
          1. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 5 November 2015 21: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Dagen
            Well, to be honest, Israel is supported and armed with the US / NATO.

            Yes, it's all clear)))))
            I mean, be Israel in Syria’s place, against, in fact, the United States.
            Our Israeli friend laughs at Assad’s army that there has been no success in 4 years. I would look at the successes of Israel in the war against the US + NATO.
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      14. Victor-M
        Victor-M 5 November 2015 23: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
        4 years suffered from them defeat?

        So, after all, there is not only ISIS, but also you, Turkey, the SA, Qatar and the Americans, all the terrorist kodla took up arms against Syria. I think that if Israel were in Syria’s place, I wouldn’t have done it alone either.
      15. Kunar
        Kunar 8 November 2015 13: 35 New
        +1
        Just the game was equal! Played two g.na)))))
  7. polite people
    polite people 5 November 2015 17: 10 New
    +2
    Ha ha ha The generals are not shy to show that they only have the courage to play the toy soldiers. May God grant them always to have so much courage, courage and courage. Vivat Russia! soldier
  8. bronik
    bronik 5 November 2015 17: 10 New
    10
    Disturbing praise. Do not believe the enemies. Even gross flattery.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 5 November 2015 17: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: bronik
      Disturbing praise. Do not believe the enemies. Even gross flattery.

      As the song says, "at least believe, at least check."
      Air battles they lose.



      Dogfights in India F-22 loses Su-30. This is not even SM, but MKI.
      1. slaw14
        slaw14 5 November 2015 18: 01 New
        +4
        you're right, but it’s better to accompany the author’s video, rather than the old TV
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 5 November 2015 22: 09 New
          0
          F-22 against the Indians was not exhibited. hi
          There are shots, F-22 against Raphael. But the Frenchman is in the "lightweight", so the F-22 was in a known disadvantage.
  9. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 5 November 2015 17: 11 New
    +1
    It was always interesting who makes these "desktops". Would play)
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 5 November 2015 22: 05 New
      0
      But the first "Tetris", the first computer game "built" on a mattress computer, our guy! There are programs where even youngsters are able to create compigers!
  10. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 5 November 2015 17: 12 New
    +1
    At the table we will do them in any kind of competition))) and in life I think the truth is in truth as well, which means victory is ours)))
  11. Belopolyak
    Belopolyak 5 November 2015 17: 14 New
    0
    Who played for red more in childhood in the sandbox sat))))
  12. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 5 November 2015 17: 14 New
    0
    Here it is. Whoever comes to us with a sword, that khan ...
  13. van zai
    van zai 5 November 2015 17: 19 New
    +9
    Komenty very surprised. The objective of these "Games" was only one thing - to knock out more money for the Pentagon. Like "ay-ay-ay, the Russians are so evil, and we are so weak. Give more dough for military programs. And we’ll die!" We must not forget that America is a superpower, and Russia does not “reach” the status of the USSR “little”. Hide the hats with which the enemy gathered to throw, otherwise the ears will be frozen.
    1. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 5 November 2015 17: 28 New
      0
      Exactly! I agree completely! Of course, the SGA army is not planning to enter into a direct clash with us at the moment. At least based on the availability of the strategic nuclear component of our armed forces. And in terms of the land component, our armed forces are historically stronger than the overseas and island "colleagues." But with the aviation, maritime and informational component, we have a clear loss .. But modern warfare is the interaction of all the armed forces!
      So what about "hide the hats" - very much in the subject!
      Yes, and the purpose of these statements you have precisely identified - to knock money out of the budget! Here "colleagues" are a clear guide for our officials. Our students learn tangibly quickly from them !!
  14. 89609226409
    89609226409 5 November 2015 17: 20 New
    +1
    Interestingly, did they take into account during the "exercises" the uninterrupted supply of Coca-Cola and toilet paper to American warriors?
  15. sergio3004
    sergio3004 5 November 2015 17: 23 New
    -1
    Still playing soldiers laughing
  16. Tusv
    Tusv 5 November 2015 17: 24 New
    0
    Some kind of awkward set of words. The Russian army is almost as strong as the American. But! How to say something
    It’s more correct to say that our army would be destroyed ...
  17. manguest
    manguest 5 November 2015 17: 24 New
    +1
    The main question is still not who is stronger, but where is stronger and how fast is stronger. The army, or rather the US fleet, is able to ensure superiority anywhere, except for the entire coast of the Russian Federation, apparently China, and, as it recently turned out, the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea and the coasts of the northwestern Indian Ocean. The question with Europe is controversial as to whether they can manage to take in sufficient American forces and means before landing strips are destroyed. If we consider short-term scenarios, the result will be determined by the speed of deployment, the dispersion of forces on the planet in this plan is a big minus.
  18. pascal309
    pascal309 5 November 2015 17: 27 New
    +3
    Something suspicious in recent times, the media have praised either the equipment of Russia, the Army, or the soldier, that we are the strongest, the best, the coolest, that we will defeat everyone, etc. Why is this propaganda in the foreign press. Maybe someone can clearly explain the alignment?
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 5 November 2015 17: 41 New
      0
      Quote: pascal309
      Why is this propaganda in the foreign press. Maybe someone can clearly explain the alignment?

      Simple starthe west is in shock. Everything seems to be correctly calculated. And sanctions, and the destruction of cooperation with Ukraine, and a powerful blow to our economy. And here "bam, second shift" and peaceful container ships may be armed with caliber
  19. KORSAR12
    KORSAR12 5 November 2015 17: 31 New
    0
    ... and we chose the right color for ourselves, "blue", well, almost "blue" ....
  20. Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 5 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +2
    If this is not a jingoistic throw, then the conclusions from this article are obvious to someone at the Pentagon, such “desktop” conclusions are very beneficial, since with the help of such conclusions it is possible to put pressure on Congress in order to increase allocations to the army.
    The Russian army in its current state, of course, has grown by an order of magnitude compared to the 90s, but nevertheless, we are unlikely to be able to smash the Americans and NATO now. We can compete on an equal footing, but about defeat it’s a bust.
    American generals want more money)), hence such derogatory conclusions.
  21. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 5 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +2
    First they want to ruin Russia economically and strangle it, which is quite possible under our government, etc. That's when the Army and Navy began to fade away in the 90s and ... well, remember yourself what happened (only this time it’s finally strangle) And bloodshed across Russia and the Russian revolt mercilessly pour ... God forbid!
  22. gammipapa
    gammipapa 5 November 2015 17: 33 New
    +2
    Yes, everything is as always simple.
    American soldiers from plastic, and ours from tin.
  23. viktor561
    viktor561 5 November 2015 17: 35 New
    +1
    "Katz offers to surrender" (c) - belay
  24. Moonsund
    Moonsund 5 November 2015 17: 36 New
    +2
    some nonsense ... intelligence from the media, the assessment of the theater of operations from Google maps, modeling of clashes by soldiers. 21st century, the "best" army in the world. I will not believe.
  25. veksha50
    veksha50 5 November 2015 17: 40 New
    +2
    "Who played for the Reds, is not reported .." ...

    All these CSIs (command-and-staff games) are exactly what the games are ... On the map and on paper is one thing ... A real test for combat maturity is another ...

    I had to attend the CABG a couple of times, as well as participate in a real test of the combat readiness of the nuclear triad ...

    In general ... Expectations (CLE) and reality are completely different from each other ...

    So what Amer experts-generals say, you can listen, but you can not listen ...

    The main thing is to equip the army with modern technology and weapons and to train and train personnel ... Then the result will be real ...
  26. marinier
    marinier 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    Dobroe vremia sutok g-da!
    Nadeys na praktijk budet toze samoe!
    Kto-bi somnevals, prevosxodstve RUSSLAND.Tolko ura-petriot tipa mak-kejn.Im bi xot inogda prislushiy k mnenij svoi militeri atashe in RUSSLAND.Znat ne po naslishke, mosh Vashix Militeri, ja ne (govnoit) idiot in world Mishka-Saakishvili !!!
    Kto ne znat, pozalsta ssilka na mny.
    Voobsheto o4ered v posledni idiot world dovolno plotnij.
    U vas gospoda priyatno udivliat Kalibr, takoi shum-gam-tar-ra-ram, 4to uze groziat prizvat svoi analitik k otvet. fellow
    1. Zmei
      Zmei 6 November 2015 05: 20 New
      +4
      And we not only "Caliber" can "pleasantly surprise" angry :
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 8 November 2015 14: 09 New
        +1
        And not only, and not so much)))
  27. Altona
    Altona 5 November 2015 17: 47 New
    +4
    What was a board game? Either the headquarters exercises on maps with positional areas, places of advancement, landing, the location of airfields and launchers, air defense coverage areas ... Technically, NATO’s potential is still several times greater than ours, both in terms of equipment and personnel ... there are no serious allies now, except for our nuclear triad, army and navy ... Another question is that NATO is a large bureaucratic structure, where interaction under paragraph 5 of the Charter is connected with hearings in the parliaments of these states, that is, "democratically" Germany It could "stand up" for Estonia in a week, maybe in a month, but most likely it wouldn’t intervene at all, because Gazprom would simply turn off the gas. The United States can wave fleets and squadrons arbitrarily, but the abrasion of California, Florida and Texas will put an end to the prospects of any kind of war, even with the Indians ... We also have many vulnerabilities, but the main one, a small population ...
  28. science fiction writer
    science fiction writer 5 November 2015 17: 47 New
    +1
    in one of the most famous battles of Operation Desert Storm. In 23 minutes, the McGregor battalion completely destroyed the armored brigade of the Iraqi army (including almost 70 armored vehicles), losing one soldier. Speaking a year later at a “debriefing” military conference, Air Force General Jack Welsh called the 73 Easting fight (name by map coordinates) “an astounding and stunning victory”, but then McGregor made the calculations and came to the conclusion that if he the unit was faced with a well-trained and armed opponent like the Russians, the outcome of the battle could be different. Therefore, four years later he published a book called Breaking The Phalanx (Breaking the Grounds), in which he proposed a reform in the ground forces, creating a "modular organizational and staffing structure of highly mobile and independent combined arms units." Dennis Reimer, the then chief of staff of the ground forces, approved his recommendations and ordered that each army general be given a copy of McGregor's book. But McGregor has not yet finished his battle. In early September 2015, he sent out a presentation in PowerPoint, in which he showed that if the American armored division would face a probable Russian enemy face to face, it would be defeated. “Defeat is the wrong word,” McGregor told me last week. - It’s more correct to say that it will be destroyed
    Seem really crap .. bully
  29. bad
    bad 5 November 2015 17: 54 New
    0
    the outcome of any war is decided in real life .. and this .. some kind of game ..
  30. ML-334
    ML-334 5 November 2015 18: 30 New
    +4
    In practice: whether ours will give them an hour for lunch and whether they will fight without lunch, I see problems after four hours and not eight, like a general.
  31. de_monSher
    de_monSher 5 November 2015 18: 32 New
    +2
    Yyyyyyy ... *)))

    PoppyGregor Poppymaster ... Scots, still do not like the Anglo-Saxons, anyway ... *)))
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 5 November 2015 23: 16 New
      0
      Quote: de_monSher
      Scots still do not like the Anglo-Saxons


      Well, Poppy-Kane generally doesn’t like Russian much more ... wink
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 5 November 2015 23: 16 New
      0
      Quote: de_monSher
      Scots still do not like the Anglo-Saxons


      Well, Poppy-Kane generally doesn’t like Russian much more ... wink
  32. Old warrior
    Old warrior 5 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +1
    They make a fool of our brother. Only Our Flag over Washington can prove that our Army is stronger than the American
  33. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 5 November 2015 18: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: pascal309
    Something suspicious in recent times, the media have praised either the equipment of Russia, the Army, or the soldier, that we are the strongest, the best, the coolest, that we will defeat everyone, etc. Why is this propaganda in the foreign press. Maybe someone can clearly explain the alignment?


    The reasons are many. Let me highlight three:
    1. The US needs to persuade (force) its NATO partners to spend at least 2% of GDP on military needs and, thereby, reduce its burden on NATO maintenance (so far it’s not very good).
    2. Stronger to bind NATO and EU allies to themselves amid the “threat” emanating from Russia.
    3. Increase the US military budget. Give additional funding to the US military industry.
  34. T-73
    T-73 5 November 2015 18: 47 New
    +1
    Maybe they conduct command-and-staff exercises at home like that? And is this their normal practice - in the form of a "Monopoly"?
  35. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 5 November 2015 19: 03 New
    +1
    You can laugh at both those and others ...
    It’s great that a lot of people say, “The American army was defeated.”
  36. 3vs
    3vs 5 November 2015 19: 24 New
    +3
    For the "Reds" Snowden played on the Internet! bully
  37. Erzya
    Erzya 5 November 2015 19: 38 New
    +3
    The correct translation is blue, not blue.
  38. Free Cossack
    Free Cossack 5 November 2015 19: 44 New
    +1
    Of course this is nonsense. But how nice ........
  39. silayev
    silayev 5 November 2015 19: 55 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    If they are so stupid, then why the Syrian army
    4 years suffered from them defeat?
  40. cniza
    cniza 5 November 2015 20: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Baikonur

    And this is PENDAGON? !!!



    Zamanuha, when the enemy praises you, it is dangerous and alarming.
  41. Bosk
    Bosk 5 November 2015 20: 20 New
    +2
    Again they will ask for money!
  42. cniza
    cniza 5 November 2015 20: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Bosk
    Again they will ask for money!



    Definitely.
  43. kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 5 November 2015 21: 00 New
    0
    It seems like a complete crap. so that the American generals begin to sincerely praise the army of the probable (I would say so far the only real enemy, China is not yet fighters) opponent ... this is nonsense. they’re catching horror on their leadership so that they shake the moshna and give out more money.
  44. Borus017
    Borus017 5 November 2015 21: 06 New
    0
    Quotes taken out of context - not good.
  45. Val_y
    Val_y 5 November 2015 21: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    For me, this is an informational embedding related to the information war, which has been quite a lot lately, but ...
    But I like! I like that even on the desktop battlefield, Americans see the futility of their designs and frankly o.ch.k.u.y.t. Maybe this will make their heads work in a peaceful side.
    Personally, I don’t believe in their cries all the while having weaned ourselves.

    Exactly, as Joseph Vissarionovich said, “If Our enemies praise us, then we are doing something wrong, and vice versa, if they scold us, we do what we need” hi
  46. Kelnot
    Kelnot 5 November 2015 22: 21 New
    +1
    I'm not a pessimistic bore. This year he returned from the army. So, if you take my part, where I served, then it would simply be rolled out into ... files. The training of personnel tends to 0, soldiers, not all, but most are not mentally stable. Why am I writing this? He himself joined the army at 26, after a tower and two specializations. It is very clear that children at the age of 18-19 are sooo weak in everything.
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 5 November 2015 23: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Kelnot
      I'm not a pessimistic bore. This year he returned from the army. So, if you take my part, where I served, then it would simply be rolled out into ... files. The training of personnel tends to 0, soldiers, not all, but most are not mentally stable. Why am I writing this? He himself joined the army at 26, after a tower and two specializations. It is very clear that children at the age of 18-19 are sooo weak in everything.

      6 years ago I also saw 18-19 year olds, look like this, sap.lya sap.lei, but only you go out with them in the field, or into the forest, and the eye rejoices ...
      it’s often necessary to climb fields and forests, not a field exit, so tactics, not tactics like shooting ...
      and physically, the combined-arms standards on average passed on more than good, they were limping in the combat drill))) but only the RPK is not lame
      served there! Where?
      1. Kelnot
        Kelnot 8 November 2015 18: 06 New
        0
        But we didn’t have this, just a jerk off of the Charters on the "take-off" ..
        I do not argue that there is a military unit where the service takes place as you described. But I ended up in another, where I sent the draft board to Moscow.
  47. Prisoner
    Prisoner 5 November 2015 23: 00 New
    0
    They decided to take their power for a causal place, which would turn on financing. Frank lobbying for the interests of the local military-industrial complex and nothing more. I would not want to check their models on the field. It will be hard. We’ll overcome it, but we’ll have to pay a big price and everything.
  48. Seneca
    Seneca 6 November 2015 01: 23 New
    +1
    Hypothetically, a military conflict with the United States happened to be destroyed. The one who has strong allies will have an advantage. I haven’t counted more than one. The United States has just over five. Moreover, these are serious allies. And hot heads always forget the USSR defeated Germany in the union with the most powerful powers at that time and their allies. If Germany concluded an alliance with the Americans, the outcome would be completely different. Well, China is not our ally, and it is not known whose side it will take .. most likely the strong side. And strong is the one who has a significant allied resource.
    1. Secta
      Secta haki 22 November 2015 15: 05 New
      +2
      After the victory (?) Jointly with the Anglo-Americans over Sovestka Russia, Germany and Japan turned around and would eat small-scale and the United States.

      On the Soviet front, 80% of German soldiers were worn ...

      The Second World War, like the First, was not conceived for this purpose, but in order to kill more Slavs
      The United States, heating and lubricating this meat grinder, traded on both sides directly or through neutrals.
  49. afrikanez
    afrikanez 6 November 2015 01: 24 New
    0
    Serious dudes in the Pentagon are sitting good Well, at least they’ve played out something before and now they’re probably thinking. that they throw a dough? laughing
    1. Seneca
      Seneca 6 November 2015 11: 48 New
      0
      Don’t worry, and in the American flyman, schools and electives will not be closed because of this.
  50. Wolka
    Wolka 6 November 2015 05: 40 New
    0
    and the conclusion is simple, you need to prepare for any actions, including military ones, underestimating the potential enemy is the second mistake that very often those who start the war make, and the first is deciding on the start of hostilities, i.e. in general, the failure of the situation, confirming their own incompetence and failure, and there are no hopeless situations, there is only human stupidity and laziness, everything else is already derived from the first two ...