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Why did the floor in the offices of the economic bloc of the Russian government tremble?

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Information Agency Reuters published excerpts from the “Confidential” Report of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC). If you believe the Reuters publications, then the organization’s internal report contains information that can now substantially correct oil quotes. We are talking about the decision of OPEC to go down the path of reducing the level of oil production - a decision that has not been taken for several years in a row under various pretexts.


The OPEC report says that the level of oil production will decline down to the 2019 year, which will lead to an increase in prices for "black gold" on the world market. The organization of countries - exporters of oil and leads its own forecast as to how, according to its leading experts, prices for a barrel of oil will be adjusted in the coming years. According to these forecasts, the barrel will increase in price by approximately $ 5 annually, and by the year 2020 will reach the level of about $ 80.

For your information:
OPEC currently includes 12 oil-producing states of the world. These are Algeria, Angola, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, Qatar, Kuwait, Libya, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria and Ecuador. The headquarters of the organization is located in Vienna (Austria).

It should be noted that today the level of oil production by OPEC countries exceeds the quota set even for themselves by more than 5%. Instead of the documented 30 million barrels of oil per day, OPEC produces 31,57 million barrels, which is one of the factors behind the low price of hydrocarbons.

The OPEC report states that such countries as Angola and Iran have proposed to return the mechanism for regulating world oil prices. It would seem a strange proposal, because at one time OPEC was created to regulate world oil prices, but lately not all members of the organization are ready to recall the charter and the need to regulate something. Saudi Arabia, as you know, not so long ago announced that she, by and large, damned what the world’s production was, and that the price of a barrel could go down to 10 dollars - “as it was mined in its current volumes, to mine and we will. " Approximately the same categories reflected in the UAE and Qatar, where, as they say, stick a stick in the sand - you will come across a deposit ...

Why did the floor in the offices of the economic bloc of the Russian government tremble?


But now, if you believe this “confidential” report, OPEC partners managed to persuade their colleagues from Riyadh, Doha and Abu Dhabi to cut production. It remains to be done for small things - to trace within OPEC itself - are the Saudis really, the Qatari and the UAE representatives going for a reduction, or is it just another, as you say now, divorce in the “just turn off” style. True, about who persuaded whom, one can argue.

In the meantime, OPEC is only to have a document on reducing production in practice; it must have shaken the floor somewhere on the floor of the so-called economic bloc of the Russian government. I shivered, because the inhabitants of the floor, who literally the other day could not decide on the basis of what kind of oil prices now consider budgetary replenishment, went off in a joyful dance, and whether it was time to reset the Reserve Fund next year, so that “the enemy would not get "...

The dances in the economic block of the Russian Federation, which are not included in OPEC, became even more cheerful when the data appeared no longer about “confidential”, but about the most open part of the meeting of members of the Organization of countries - oil exporters. The material states that even if OPEC did not go on reducing the volume of oil production, by the third quarter of 2016, the consumption of “black gold” in the world had increased and the extracted “surplus” would have been bought on exchanges without delay. In general, if you believe OPEC, then the price of a barrel of Brent crude next year will average 55 dollars per barrel. The Ministry of Economic Development is preparing to once again adjust its forecasts ...

Returning to the decision to reduce oil production adopted by the OPEC countries, it is worth paying attention to the prerequisites. With all the romping rhetoric of the Saudis about the alleged "any oil prices that suit the country's economy," in fact, everything is very different. Thus, the International Monetary Fund, a few weeks before the decision was taken, OPEC presented the dynamics of the GDP of countries actively engaged in oil production. Dynamics speaks better than any experts.

Thus, the report states that at the current level of oil production, such states as Saudi Arabia, Oman and Bahrain, after 3-4, may be on the verge of bankruptcy due to the shortfall in huge amounts in state budgets. By October, the 2015 foreign assets of the SA had reached the level of three years ago, and for the first time in 8 years, Riyadh had to go to the way of issuing bonds to finance the resulting budget deficit. The deficit forecast for the current year is 20% of GDP! IMF experts added fuel to the fire and said that with such trends, the reserves of Saudi Arabia (about 600 billion dollars) would completely grow by the year 2020. For reference: the “oil” share of the CA budget is at least 90% of GDP.

In limbo, the UAE, where the surplus level of oil prices is determined at the level of 74-75 dollars per barrel. The accumulated reserves of the United Arab Emirates and Qatar (Qatar's surplus bar - in the 52 area of ​​dollars per barrel) are predicted for the 20 years ahead, but apparently the Saudis neighbors are pretty nervous, and have convinced the partners on the peninsula that they will not be able to lower production. .

Are there any non-OPEC countries that will benefit from a decrease in the level of oil production by the countries of the organization? It would seem, first of all, this is the Russian Federation. After all, the "partners" are going to reduce production, which means that the price of oil will creep up, and this is the budget revenues, which our award-winning representatives of the economic government sector have hoped for. But here we must not lose sight of such a "partner" as the United States. So, the Ministry of Energy of this country has already been counting on 6 for the last week both about the growth of hydrocarbon reserves and about the growth of production volumes.

Experts of the portal "Vesti.Ekonomika" are wondering how the United States manages to increase the volume of pumped oil, if the number of drilling rigs and "shale" capacities in the States has recently been reduced due to low prices for hydrocarbons? From the material of the mentioned portal http://www.vestifinance.ru:

The number of working drilling rigs is reduced, oil prices are not growing, which means it makes no sense to launch a new production. How to achieve production growth (in the US) remains a mystery.


The question with the background: aren’t Americans bothering with their reporting? ..

But what if they are really fooling, and what if the current price of a barrel of oil is really based primarily on accountability frauds emanating primarily from American "friends"? .. If so (and the probability is thought to be very high), then this the fake reporting bubble, having swollen to the limit, will sooner or later burst, and show the world oil revenge with a price jump of at least 30 percent.

In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...
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  2. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 6 November 2015 06: 36 New
    +145
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

    It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if in the economic bloc of the Russian government they thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle. Among other reasons, hydrocarbons and associated products are not eternal, it is not a renewable resource.
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price! laughing
    I have the honor.
    1. Sweles
      Sweles 6 November 2015 06: 48 New
      +19
      See a meeting of the RAS report of the doctor of geological and mineralogical sciences Polivanov. In short, the meaning of such OIL is a RENEWABLE SOURCE, like wood, for example, old oil fields give oil again, so oil prices will not creep further and build the country's economy only on the sale of oil and gas is foolish and shortsighted. Watch everyone.

      1. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 6 November 2015 11: 06 New
        +14
        I advise you to read:
        The hypothesis of the initially hydride Earth is a hypothesis according to which the Earth's core is largely composed of hydrogen compounds of metals. [1] This hypothesis is not consistent with generally accepted scientific views on the structure of the Earth, according to which the core, in addition to iron and nickel, contains a significant amount of silicon (about 6-7% by mass [2]), and with modern geological theory of plate tectonics. In 1968, the hypothesis of the originally hydride Earth was put forward by Soviet geologist Larin Vladimir Nikolaevich.

        This idea is not new as we see. Moreover, there is a contraversion of Darwin's theory of evolution. Moreover, both versions of evolution are based precisely on 2 different versions of the origin of the earth and its development. As a result of large-scale “debates”, Darwin was recognized as official and infallible by millions of years of land development, since this made it possible to talk, among other things, about nonrenewable resources, manipulating the brains and human behavior. A more profitable theory is, let’s say.
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 6 November 2015 11: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: Lapotnik
          In 1968, the hypothesis of the originally hydride Earth was put forward by Soviet geologist Larin Vladimir Nikolaevich.


          Larin also spoke at the meeting
          1. Marxist
            Marxist 6 November 2015 14: 17 New
            +9
            Why did the floor tremble in the offices of the economic bloc of the Russian government?

            It’s time for the chairs to tremble, not the floor ...
            Here are the latest economic news:
            http://www.interfax-russia.ru/Center/news.asp?id=669737&sec=1679
            Cargo turnover of the Kursk region for 9 months decreased by 9,7%

            Voronezh. 5 November. INTERFAX CENTER - The cargo turnover of the Kursk region in 2015 in January-September of 335,1 amounted to 9,7 million ton-kilometers, which is 9% less than the same period last year, Kurskstat reports. Of the total volume of cargo for 57,7 months, freight turnover on a commercial basis was 39,9 million ton-kilometers (decrease by 557,9%). Passenger traffic for the reporting period amounted to 13 million passenger-kilometers, which is 9% less than the same period last year. Cargo turnover of the Kursk region for 9,7 months decreased by XNUMX%

            http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2404924
            Volkswagen assembly plant in Nizhny Novgorod suspended until November 10

            Nizhny Novgorod, November Xnumx. / Corr. TASS Natalia Chistyakova. Volkswagen’s assembly plant in Nizhny Novgorod was suspended until November 3, Volkswagen Group Rus said. “Production at the GAZ automobile plant, where Volkswagen and Skoda models are being assembled, will be suspended for 10 business days,” the company’s press service said. , specifying that the assembly site workers are in idle 6-2 November, as well as 3-5 November and 6-9 November.


            http://pda.uralinform.ru/news/economy/240549-verhnesinyachihinskii-metzavod-sokr

            atit-dve-treti-sotrudnikov /
            Verkhnyaya Sinyachikhinsky metal plant will cut two-thirds of employees

            03 November to 15: 58 | Economy
            From November 5.
            Two-thirds of the employees of the Vernesinyachikhinsky metallurgical plant will be on the street. According to Uralinformburo, Acting Director of the Alapaevsky Employment Center Elena Kozhina, the reduction of 234 employees is scheduled for November 5 2015 of the year. According to the latest data, 351 people are registered at the plant.
            It is worth noting that in 2012 the company was completely closed. About 500 people were left without work. Dismissed factory workers went on a hunger strike demanding payment of debts that exceeded 5 million rubles.
            In 2014, the plant acquired a new owner - Cast Element LLC.

            And such examples - every day and not one at a time.
            1. Marxist
              Marxist 6 November 2015 14: 30 New
              +3
              Well, to the heap:

              Russia's trade surplus has fallen by 21% since the beginning of the year
              http://m.gazeta.ru/business/news/2015/11/06/n_7855685.shtml

              The foreign trade surplus in Russia for the first nine months of 2015 decreased by 21,4% compared to the same period last year and amounted to $ 127,5 billion, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the Federal Customs Service (FCS).

              "The trade balance was positive in the amount of $ 127,5 billion, which is $ 34,7 billion less than in January-September of the 2014 year," the statement said.

              It is also noted that imports to Russia in January - September decreased by 38,6% compared to the same indicator of 2014 of the year and amounted to $ 135,8 billion, while exports from the country decreased by 31,3% to $ 263,4 billion.
            2. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 7 November 2015 13: 15 New
              +2
              It’s time for the chairs to tremble, not the floor ...

              honestly, after reading the headline, I was delighted - finally the floor trembled and they all fail - but no! everything is completely wrong ... everything is wrong guys (c) again our plans for replenishing the treasury will focus on oil ... it would seem like a great time - the ruble is cheap, imports are expensive, invest money in the development of industries, make a state order for these products and you will be happy - well, it’s too simple and uninteresting, and no earnings ... so we will go no other way, but in the same way, the benefit and the rake are familiar, and the handle is polished on them
              1. samuil60
                samuil60 8 November 2015 00: 20 New
                +1
                Why the hell should they invest in production when they have one task - to ruin the country !? And behind their backs is the entire financial system of the West? And at the same time: they are also “untouchable”! Well, try to clean someone - it will scream right away, our "fifth column" will be stinking, including the press, the public chamber, actors, writers and others like them. Plus, they will increase the sanction pressure - and we are already, in economic terms, barely breathing. So try it here ...
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        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 12: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Lapotnik
          Moreover, there is a contraversion of Darwin's theory of evolution.

          For more details, what kind of contra version are you talking about?
        4. Albert1988
          Albert1988 6 November 2015 13: 12 New
          +9
          Quote: Lapotnik
          This hypothesis is not consistent with generally accepted scientific views on the structure of the Earth, according to which the core, in addition to iron and nickel, contains a significant amount of silicon (about 6-7% by mass [2]), and with modern geological theory of plate tectonics.

          I’ll correct you a bit - this theory BEFORE was not consistent with generally accepted views, until it was experimentally established that at a certain temperature and main pressure metal hydrides become stable, which means this hypothesis becomes very plausible - you can’t prove it 100%, since you can’t look at such a depth and splashing in magma is simply physically impossible (now at least).
          As for the "counter-version" of the evolutionary theory of the old days of Darwin, I’ll upset you a little - you are totally behind the times, as pure Darwinism was criticized even at the dawn of the 20th century))))) And around the 20s century, starting with a series of works by Sergey Sergeyevich Chetverikov, the emergence of the so-called synthetic theory of evolution begins - that is, very significant amendments are made to classical Darwinism taking into account the achievements of population genetics, embryologists joined in, and followed by molecular biologists, as a result of which There is little left of classical Darwinism; now, within the framework of evolutionary doctrine, it is considered approximately as Newtonian mechanics in the framework of modern physics, that is, well, a very special case to the heap under ideal conditions. So somehow)))) As for all kinds of "counter-theories." then they all do not stand up to criticism, because they do not have a sufficient factual basis to justify them, and sometimes they are openly falsified ...
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      3. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 12: 26 New
        +1
        So this is one of two hypotheses of the origin of oil. Old and long known to everyone! There is no discovery in this. The evidence base is as weak as the second hypothesis about the origin of oil from prehistoric organic remains.
        Even if this theory is true, then the whole question is the speed of replenishment of the resource. "Forest" does not instantly grow ...
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 6 November 2015 12: 39 New
          +2
          .... Even if this theory is correct, the whole question is the speed of replenishment of the resource. "Forest" does not instantly grow ...

          .... I don’t know, I don’t know .... There was a publication claiming that oil appeared on long-worked and closed wells in Chechnya again .... And it didn’t just appear, but began to rise to the surface (even without help) rocking chairs) .... bully
          1. Albert1988
            Albert1988 6 November 2015 13: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: aleks 62 next
            I don’t know, I don’t know .... There was a publication where it was alleged that oil appeared on long-worked and closed wells in Chechnya again .... And it didn’t just appear, but began to rise to the surface (even without the help of rocking chairs) .. .

            It trivially seeps into voids from lower-lying layers, that is, it is not new oil, but old. only deeper.
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 6 November 2015 13: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: AllXVahhaB
          The evidence base is as weak as the second hypothesis about the origin of oil from prehistoric organic remains.

          Here you are right - about geological processes occurring at great depths or over extremely long periods of time, we actually have extremely weak ideas.
      4. aksakal
        aksakal 6 November 2015 17: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: Sveles
        See a meeting of the RAS report of the doctor of geological and mineralogical sciences Polivanov. The meaning in short of such OIL is a RENEWABLE SOURCE, like wood, for example, old fields give oil again, so oil prices will not creep further and build the country's economy only on the sale of oil and gas is foolish and shortsighted
        - and if we add here the race to start mastering the LENR reaction, in which A.Rossi has advanced most, the future for the economy based on oil and gas production seems to be very deplorable. True, it takes time and resources to reform the economy, and while oil for ten years will still be on the horse, you need to use this time and oil profits for reform! I watched a documentary yesterday on the Vostochny spaceport under construction. I thought they were building a cosmodrome and building it - but in the film I saw the scale of construction. One rocket table is worth a hangar for assembling rockets, etc. This is billions! And this is exactly where the Russians need to invest oil surplus. Do not eat them - often here on the forums there are thoughts - and not to give out money to all those in need? But do not increase pensions to heaven? - namely, to invest in infrastructure similar to the constructed spaceport. You also need to invest in roads, in education, in factories, and in just fundamental science. At the same time, even more tighten the fight against corruption and less listen to the Kudrins-Yavlinsky. More precisely, do not listen to them, but generally send them to hell, to Kolyma, for example. Let them advise pine, polar fox and polar bears about reserves in Amer bonds.
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    3. Letun
      Letun 6 November 2015 07: 22 New
      +29
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if the economic bloc of the Russian government thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle.

      Well, yes, they say that Lenin’s famous statement that any cook can rule the state ended with the phrase: “at a price of oil of $ 100 per barrel” laughing
      1. 34 region
        34 region 6 November 2015 08: 19 New
        +7
        In my opinion, Lenin said: a cook cannot rule the state. This requires specially trained people.
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        2. dvg79
          dvg79 6 November 2015 11: 48 New
          +9
          Pushed out of context, in fact, he meant that, if desired, she would have the opportunity to learn how to control the state, in defiance of the "decree on cook children."
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 12 New
        +11
        Quote: Letun
        Well, yes, they say that Lenin’s famous statement that any cook can rule the state ended with the phrase: “at a price of oil of $ 100 per barrel”


        Dear Letun, even at a price of $ 100, these cooks from the government need a cook, but for some reason it seems to me that DAME is up to the cook, as to the Moon, in a certain position. wassat

        Well, in practical life it turns out, colleague. hi
        1. Dilshat
          Dilshat 6 November 2015 22: 49 New
          +2
          In our government, there are no cooks and cooks, but poisoners under the guise of cooks and cooks.
      3. cheega69
        cheega69 7 November 2015 00: 39 New
        0
        The sayings of the classics must be known verbatim, and not in the popular scientific form.
    4. Cams
      Cams 6 November 2015 07: 26 New
      -1
      That's all howl about this so-called oil needle ....
      And these howlers at least once thought what would happen if we hadn’t oil?
      We use oil in order to grow industry, and evolutionarily start earning it by industrial means, and again, trade oil in the same way!
      Or as soon as we raise the industry, so immediately we will contemptuously stop trading in oil? !!!!
      “Oil needle” is a catchphrase. Nothing more. And it’s good that we have oil, and it’s good that we trade it. And it’s good that this money goes under smart command to the development of industry.
      Otherwise, there would be no new SU-35 and T-50 aircraft, submarines, Caliber, Armata, and much more.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 6 November 2015 08: 22 New
        +21
        And if we were selling machines, then the profit would be even higher. I'm afraid we have a good sale of weapons too.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: 34 region
          I'm afraid we also have a good deal from arms sales.


          And you, Dear 34 region, do not be afraid, just share it with other regions of the country. And then you are already afraid of what you have, but in our Krasnodar Territory the price tags for products do not have time to change. fellow
          1. 34 region
            34 region 6 November 2015 09: 32 New
            +2
            So quickly falling in price? belay
        2. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 01 New
          -3
          Even in Soviet times, machine tool construction did not shine with us, but in 90, it was finally killed. In principle, it can be bought abroad and copied, but not because of sanctions.
          1. dvg79
            dvg79 6 November 2015 11: 51 New
            0
            He bought machine tools from us west, though they threw electronics out of them.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 6 November 2015 21: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: dvg79
              He bought machine tools from us west, though they threw electronics out of them.
              - Ivanovo, from Kabaidze. Western buyers thought that the Kabaidze processing centers were Japanese, from the Japanese company UBAHOBO (Ubahobo, that is). Also with pleasure we took Kazakhstan drawing mills from the Almaty Heavy Machine Building Plant (AZTM), our mills pulled very high-quality wire. They took Ordzhonikidze machines. We took huge rolling mills from Tyazhmash from Elektrostal. But, alas, you overshadowed Sukhoi too much - machine tool building in the USSR, like machine building, really did not shine, a strong middle peasant, no more, leadership, alas, did not exist in these sectors. The same machines from another Ivanovo manufacturer for the production of textile machines were so-so. At us at the AHBC there were such, German stood nearby, I don’t remember the names, I remember the last 4 letters "GMBx", more compact, productive and gave better products. At the beginning of my professional career, mastering the profession of a truck dump truck driver, I was unpleasantly surprised that the Tatra, remember, was such a model, with a short and oh face, like a bulldog? This Tatra was in many ways better than our KrAZ trucks, and the cabin is not wooden! For the 80s of the last century, a wooden cabin is nonsense! And there was also Magirus ...
              I understand that there is nostalgia for the USSR, but it is not necessary to idealize so directly, not everything in the USSR was right at such an amazing level, there was also an outright crap. Light industry, the automotive industry and most of the machine tool industry, alas, were not the best.
        3. Bayun
          Bayun 6 November 2015 11: 13 New
          +21
          Even if we made the best machine tools and cars in the world ... The West would NOT BUY them. They are forced to take only what they do not have in nature. Stop listening to the tales of the liberals. Try to come from Kukuev to the capital's bazaar with the "best" products. The rules of the world bazaar are similar;)
          1. Archon
            Archon 6 November 2015 17: 45 New
            +2
            The Germans are buying cornfields. Not a lot, but they buy the same.
            And some Americans - they want to buy a fokine plane cutter (such a chopper), but they cannot, because our online trading is poorly developed.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Archon
              because we have e-commerce is poorly developed.

              Yes, in our country the real trade more and more often reminds me of terry-shovels. In our country, all-props-all-power workers can only blame power. and the pennies themselves are not worth it, whiners are nauseous.
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            3. aksakal
              aksakal 6 November 2015 21: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Archon
              The Germans are buying cornfields. Not a lot, but they buy the same.
              - discussed, they buy Niv more than almost all other models. They just have a choice of models so mad that with a large level of total number of sales, by model, sales look modest. But Niva in Germany is definitely in the lead in sales. Well, it was when they discussed.
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      3. Mera joota
        Mera joota 6 November 2015 08: 46 New
        +28
        Quote: KAMLS
        Otherwise, there would be no new SU-35 and T-50 aircraft, submarines, Caliber, Armata, and much more.

        This would not have happened if the USSR had not taken care of this in due time. Not for the oil money built factories, not for oil money prepared cadres. Neither Stalin, nor Khrushchev, nor Brezhnev 150 dollars per barrel of oil never dreamed of ...
        PS: People, as you put it, "howl" about the oil needle because they know that without it you can do what you listed.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 09: 12 New
          +8
          Quote: Mera Joota
          This would not have happened if the USSR had not taken care of this at the time.

          Only one small question - where did the USSR go?

          Quote: Mera Joota
          It was not for oil money that they built plants; not for oil money, they trained personnel.

          This is when the USSR was and was sovereign. And since we, with its dismemberment in 1991, were mercilessly brainless communists entered the world economy as a raw materials appendage, now everything has to be rebuilt. That is, to carry out industrialization.

          Quote: Mera Joota
          Neither Stalin, nor Khrushchev, nor Brezhnev 150 dollars a barrel of oil and did not dream ...

          So they did not assume that their followers would destroy the USSR.

          Quote: Mera Joota
          PS: People, as you put it, "howl" about the oil needle because they know that without it you can do what you listed.

          With your lips and honey to drink ...
          Russia is the only country in the world that took part in 100 world wars over the past 2 years, was twice destroyed by two revolutions, lost tens of millions of citizens and was divided into 15 parts, three of which joined NATO against us, another started a war against us in 2008, and another one is trying by all means to drag us into another war today.

          But today, industrialization is underway. http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html
          Now let's take not the last 10 years, take only the last 3 years. Let's look at oil refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, have not been built. Here is an incomplete list of projects open during these three years:

          1. RusVinyl, Kstovo, Nizhny Novgorod Region
          2. Expansion of gas fractionation capacities at the Tobolsk-Neftekhim enterprise.
          3. Expansion of the capacities of the Purovsky condensate processing plant.
          4. Plant for the processing of associated petroleum gas LLC "Monolith".
          5. Yaya oil refinery (first stage).
          6. Polypropylene plant "Poliom", Omsk.
          7. Installation of isomerization of light naphtha at the Moscow refinery.
          8. Reconstruction of the Tuapse refinery (first stage).
          9. Tobolsk-Polymer.
          10. Complex deep oil refining at the Kirishi refinery.
          11. Antipinsky oil refinery, Tyumen.
          12. Combined hydrocracking unit for raw mix OJSC "TANECO", Nizhnekamsk, Republic of Tatarstan.
          13. Installation for the production of hydrogen at the Bashneft-Novoil refinery, Ufa.
          14. Installation of primary oil refining at the Volgograd refinery.
          15. South Priobsky gas processing plant, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 6 November 2015 09: 38 New
            +3
            Why is industrialization going on for so long? Right now everything seems to be high-tech. And less should work from this, and salaries are higher. And the roads should be as flat as a table. Where are the pits from?
            1. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: 34 region
              And what's going on for so long industrialization?

              And what are you dissatisfied with? You can surrender nuclear weapons, merge the Crimea and will quickly go.
              But not for long.
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 16: 28 New
              0
              Quote: 34 region
              And what's going on for so long industrialization?

              So the West didn’t take a steam bath, but brought production to China and went deep into debt.

              Quote: 34 region
              Right now everything seems to be high-tech.

              And “everything”, is that?

              Quote: 34 region
              And less should work from this, and salaries are higher.

              You do not find that the system was mixed up? Current capitalism with utopian communism? You have put forward the slogan no more, no less - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. smile

              Quote: 34 region
              And the roads should be as flat as a table.

              Roads in the USSR were 2 orders of magnitude worse, so I, as the driver said, had left the 80th for trucks and cars. Maybe the Minsk and Leningradskoye highways were normal, but there is a hole in the pit in our outback.

              Quote: 34 region
              Where are the pits from?

              Here the map is given, look and think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0_%
              28%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F%29
          2. Lyalyamka
            Lyalyamka 6 November 2015 10: 23 New
            +8
            Is this for THREE years? In the USSR, about 1000 enterprises were built during the year.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 05 New
              +1
              Well, yes, they drove the shaft! And while the total deficit !! What the hell you get without fuck!
              1. cuzmin.mihail2013
                cuzmin.mihail2013 6 November 2015 17: 48 New
                +10
                Hmm, hard times were! You can’t buy without a damn, not smoked sausages, not red or black caviar, not sturgeon, not Italian furniture. In short, a nightmare! But it’s true, right now, without the blat, you won’t get such a job, where is the salary so that you can buy it.
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 16: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Lyalyamka
              Is this for THREE years?

              Do you know how to read or just write? It’s clearly said - take only the last 3 years. Let's look at the refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, have not been built.Here incomplete list projects open during these three years:
              1. Marxist
                Marxist 6 November 2015 17: 24 New
                0
                take only the last 3

                He asks you - and this is only for 3 of the year?
                year.
              2. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 19: 27 New
                +2
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Let's look at oil refineries, which, according to an article in the Elephant, were not built
                So they were not built.

                The above is either built by foreigners who are built and own, or expanded production, built in the USSR.
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          4. dvg79
            dvg79 6 November 2015 11: 56 New
            +11
            Do not call these kov communists, do not insult those who died by writing "Please consider me a communist," as well as those who created the country with their hump.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 16: 39 New
              +4
              Quote: dvg79
              Do not call these kov communists, do not insult those who died by writing "Please consider me a communist"

              They were deceived.

              Quote: dvg79
              as well as those who created the country with their hump.

              And didn’t they create a Bensparty party? They were an order of magnitude greater - out of 220 million in the USSR, about 20 million communists were sick.
              1. dvg79
                dvg79 6 November 2015 17: 28 New
                +1
                The communists that in the war that went ahead in their work (I do not mean unprincipled stuff ... with party cards climbed up).
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 48 New
                  +3
                  Quote: dvg79
                  The communists that in the war that went ahead in their work (I do not mean unprincipled stuff ... with party cards climbed up).

                  Oyyyy, directly sick of your agitation. And Suvorov, and the heroes of Tsushima?
                  Do not idealize anyone. The communists were no worse and no better than the rest. Do you think the commander was a communist? That's it. Gorazdy you hang stigmas.

                  Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov (September 14, 1901, the village of Lomakino, Nizhny Novgorod province, Russian Empire - August 1, 1946, Moscow, USSR) - Soviet military leader, participant in the Battle of Moscow. He commanded the 2nd shock army, during the Luban offensive operation in 1942, he was captured [2] by German prisoners and went on to cooperate with the leadership of the Third Reich against the political system of the USSR, becoming the head of a military organization of Soviet prisoners of war and emigrants - the Russian Liberation Army (ROA) )
          5. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 03 New
            +2
            This is not Industrialization, this is an extension of existing facilities !!!
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 16: 46 New
              0
              Quote: AllXVahhaB
              This is not Industrialization, this is an extension of existing facilities !!!

              And a complete replacement of equipment with a new one. This is the creation of a new industry in old squares. She is industrialization.
              1. Marxist
                Marxist 6 November 2015 17: 17 New
                +5
                And a complete replacement of equipment with a new one.

                Replacing German equipment with Chinese equipment and expanding industrial sites with Volkswagen and General Motors, destroyed ZIL and Sibselmash and new toilet paper factories with 50-100 personnel is not industrialization.
                This is a phased development of the country by foreign capital and its creeping DEindustrialization.
                This is the lot of the Third World countries, Ukraine and Zimbabwe - but you are convincing us here daily that the former communist and KGB officer Putin is building an economic superpower by presenting the size of Deripaska and Rottenberg's car park as an evidence of the growth of well-being of citizens.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Marxist
                  destroyed ZIL and Sibselmash

                  That is, the fact that corrupt brainless communists destroyed the USSR in 1991 does not bother you? wassat
                  1. Marxist
                    Marxist 6 November 2015 17: 31 New
                    +3
                    Are you laughing at yourself?
                    Those. the fact that Sibselmash appeared thanks to the state plan drawn up by the communists and was destroyed in 1998 by really corrupt brainless anti-communists doesn’t bother you?
                    And the fact that the Communists created the USSR in 1922? and the fact that the so-called "Communists" quit the party in 1990-91. Before the collapse of the USSR, were they never real Communists, according to the latest confessions of Yeltsin?
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 41 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Marxist
                      Those. the fact that Sibselmash appeared thanks to the state plan drawn up by the communists and was destroyed in 1998 by really corrupt brainless anti-communists doesn’t bother you?

                      Question - WHERE IS ALL THIS ???
                      Answer - SALE BAGGERNESS-BAD COMMUNISTS DESTROYED !!!

                      Actually, there is nothing to be surprised at - they started by betraying their own country in 1917, having started a revolt in wartime, betraying and ended in 1991 the dismemberment of the USSR.

                      “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
                      And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

                      Quote: bmw
                      Our price is 864 mp. The rate of 13,17%. Down payment 260 tr. CASCO 30 tr. Credit for three years. Monthly payment 21521 rub.

                      Well, just poverty brought to despair !!! laughing
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 6 November 2015 18: 02 New
                        +4
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past

                        laughing your training manual is already old yes
                        And if you get out of the "matrix" and ask, but wasn’t GDP a communist at the very time when, as you say
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        dismembered in 1991 corrupt brainless communists
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 11 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Didn’t GDP be a communist at the same time when, as you say

                        He may have been, ask him. But he was neither corrupt, nor even brainless. If not for Putin, today Russia, which you hate so much, would no longer exist.
                      3. Karabanov
                        Karabanov 6 November 2015 18: 42 New
                        +3
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        If not for Putin, today Russia, which you hate so much, would no longer exist.

                        And I think for whom this demotivator came up with?
                      4. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 6 November 2015 19: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        He may have been, ask him. But he was neither corrupt, nor even brainless.

                        Bravo laughing
                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        If not for Putin, today Russia, which you hate so much, would no longer exist.

                        I didn’t expect another answer, it’s just boring .., a training manual for kindergarten, but by the way ...., I agree, it would certainly not have been ...
                        Zy.a I really love my homeland, because, I have no other and will not soldier
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                  2. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 8 November 2015 00: 44 New
                    +1
                    But look at Ukraine, under modern democrats, and propagandized by "European and universal values," ... there is not enough salary for food. Not that the Communists and the USSR, already remember Yanukovych with nostalgia. I do not understand why you are not happy there in Russia. You have every opportunity to make your country even stronger and richer. And blame everything and everyone, they say oh how bad everything is with us, I think it’s not necessary. Want to see how bad it is, come to Ukraine. I guarantee a charge of vivacity.
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                3. Your friend
                  Your friend 7 November 2015 01: 32 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Marxist
                  Are you laughing at yourself?
                  Those. the fact that Sibselmash appeared thanks to the state plan drawn up by the communists and was destroyed in 1998 by really corrupt brainless anti-communists doesn’t bother you?
                  And the fact that the Communists created the USSR in 1922? and the fact that the so-called "Communists" quit the party in 1990-91. Before the collapse of the USSR, were they never real Communists, according to the latest confessions of Yeltsin?

                  A task. There were real communists who created the USSR. They ruled, ruled. Then bam, it turned out that they were no longer true communists. Question: where did the real communists go by 1991?
                  1. afdjhbn67
                    afdjhbn67 7 November 2015 02: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Your friend
                    Quote: Marxist
                    Are you laughing at yourself?
                    Those. the fact that Sibselmash appeared thanks to the state plan drawn up by the communists and was destroyed in 1998 by really corrupt brainless anti-communists doesn’t bother you?
                    And the fact that the Communists created the USSR in 1922? and the fact that the so-called "Communists" quit the party in 1990-91. Before the collapse of the USSR, were they never real Communists, according to the latest confessions of Yeltsin?

                    A task. There were real communists who created the USSR. They ruled, ruled. Then bam, it turned out that they were no longer true communists. Question: where did the real communists go by 1991?

                    Good question .. it’s so hard to answer that the format of the article is looming ..
                  2. Your friend
                    Your friend 7 November 2015 11: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: afdjhbn67
                    Quote: Your friend
                    Quote: Marxist
                    Are you laughing at yourself?
                    Those. the fact that Sibselmash appeared thanks to the state plan drawn up by the communists and was destroyed in 1998 by really corrupt brainless anti-communists doesn’t bother you?
                    And the fact that the Communists created the USSR in 1922? and the fact that the so-called "Communists" quit the party in 1990-91. Before the collapse of the USSR, were they never real Communists, according to the latest confessions of Yeltsin?

                    A task. There were real communists who created the USSR. They ruled, ruled. Then bam, it turned out that they were no longer true communists. Question: where did the real communists go by 1991?

                    Good question .. it’s so hard to answer that the format of the article is looming ..

                    It would be interesting to read if someone came from local fans of the USSR.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 7 November 2015 12: 15 New
                -4
                The Communists did not create the USSR from scratch, they created the USSR without Poland, Finland and Manchuria, the territorial losses of Russia from 1917 to the present day are entirely on the conscience of the Communists.
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      5. cuzmin.mihail2013
        cuzmin.mihail2013 6 November 2015 18: 00 New
        +6
        I didn’t know, I’m so dark and not enlightened that the Dnieper, Magnitogorsk, Tractor and aircraft factories, the GOERLO plan and much more are just an expansion of the production capacities created under the tsarist government.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 7 November 2015 12: 26 New
          0
          All the objects you indicated were built not only by the Communists, I will say more - mostly the builders of communism were non-partisan.
    5. dvg79
      dvg79 6 November 2015 17: 22 New
      +6
      Maybe I don’t see well, but the list contains only primary processing of raw materials and not a single engineering or electronics enterprise. If this is industrialization, then I am the pope.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: dvg79
        Maybe I don’t see well, but the list contains only primary processing of raw materials and not a single engineering or electronics enterprise. If this is industrialization, then I am the pope.

        To provide you with a detailed analysis of all sectors of the economy of Russia, Western countries and China with India? laughing
        You're not out of your mind, uncle. You behave as if I owe you something, and you will also mock me. fool

        Write in the address bar of the browser http://www.ya.ru and forward, uncle, forward, to meet the discoveries and breaks of the patterns.
        I’ll also tell you a zhezheshechku - http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/ of a person who, unlike you, loves Russia. And he does not scoff at his native country.
        1. Marxist
          Marxist 6 November 2015 19: 08 New
          -1
          What does the West have to do with China and India?
          This is not 79 over you - it’s you mocking your brain at the same time making unreasonable accusations such as “why do not you love Russia”.

          PS. Change the training manual, dear, otherwise you will soon overtake yourself.
  3. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 05 New
    -3
    Quote: Mera Joota
    This would not have happened if the USSR had not taken care of this in due time. Not for the oil money built factories, not for oil money prepared cadres. Neither Stalin, nor Khrushchev, nor Brezhnev 150 dollars per barrel of oil never dreamed of ...

    So, what was different in 30's? No, in fact the same thing was driving coal, metals and grain over the hill, and they themselves were getting the machines. The money received from the nationalization of state property was training personnel
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
      from the nationalization of state property trained personnel

      What ??? How can this state property be nationalized? belay
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 7 November 2015 12: 29 New
        0
        This is probably the type of expropriation of the expropriated.
      2. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 7 November 2015 13: 12 New
        0
        Quote: AllXVahhaB
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        from the nationalization of state property trained personnel

        What ??? How can this state property be nationalized? belay

        Sorry, typo. I wanted to say that they took the property sold under Nicholas 2 to overseas dealers
  4. dudinets
    dudinets 6 November 2015 11: 27 New
    -4
    instead of oil and gas, Stalin was forced to sell grain, mercilessly exploiting the collective farm peasantry. how would the Soviet people live if they could sit on the "oil needle"!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 12: 50 New
      +6
      Do you think there were no sanctions? At one time, America did not seem to want to buy anything from the Soviets. And when in the 29th year the great crisis hit, she wanted to. And by the 41st year, the Union pulled out Americans with its orders. And in the 45th America, a glorious jackpot collapsed.
  5. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 00 New
    +3
    Well, enlighten us on how much money Stalin conducted industrialization ...
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 16: 52 New
      -2
      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      Well, enlighten us on how much money Stalin conducted industrialization ...

      He who seeks the small will find the small. wink

      http://www.labirint.ru/books/436907/
      http://rusinst.ru/docs/books/V.Yu.Katasonov-Economika_Stalina.pdf
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 16 New
    +17
    Quote: KAMLS
    And it’s good that this money goes under smart command to the development of industry.


    Well, yes, but under silly Swiss banks, Cypriot and Virgin offshores, cottages on the Cote d'Azur and shanties in Florida. wassat
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 09: 44 New
      +4
      The time will come and Khibarovsk VR Florida will press who is needed. In Switzerland, already pressed. Offshore companies also slowly pinch. True, the authorities of foreign countries do this for their own purposes (they do not need competitors). In general, they do it right. It is better to keep money at home, and not in the homes of neighbors. Here, as they say, training is paid.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 51 New
        +7
        Quote: 34 region
        The time will come and Khibarovsk VR Florida will press who is needed. In Switzerland, already pressed. Offshore companies also slowly pinch. True, the authorities of foreign countries do this for their own purposes (they do not need competitors). In general, they do it right. It is better to keep money at home, and not in the homes of neighbors. Here, as they say, training is paid.

        Here it is, dear colleague, for sure. Education is paid, due to money stolen from the state, with us. sad
  • Tatyana
    Tatyana 6 November 2015 09: 28 New
    +14
    CAMLS (1)
    “Oil needle” is a catchphrase. Nothing more. And it’s good that we have oil, and it’s good that we trade it. And it is good that this money goes under smart command to the development of industry.
    Otherwise, there would be no new SU-35 and T-50 aircraft, submarines, Caliber, Armata, and much more.
    Dear CAMLS (1)! It turns out from your examples (the new SU-35 and T-50, submarines, Caliber, Armata, and much more) that you, by the rise of Russian industry, only raise the military-industrial complex and mean ?!
    Yes, in Russia over the past 25 years, because of the raw material orientation of the development of our economy, almost all civilian industries died! The revival of the military-industrial complex is very good! But for the national security of the Russian Federation, the Russians need precisely a comprehensive - structural - restructuring and revival of ALL Russian industrial infrastructure. You won’t chew shells and, like a pill, you won’t drink a shell from a disease for health! And where are we going to take everything else if there is nothing of our own in this regard? Let's go bow to the West again? Buy oil from us, gentlemen, foreigners, please! Or will we start following the example of foreign Western powers ourselves to rob other militarily weak countries?
    This is the so-called “Oil needle” - and this is not a fashionable phrase, but the very expression on the essence of the economic problem of Russia's sovereign development!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 09: 47 New
      +5
      It turns out that the military-industrial complex is developing due to state leadership. Civil proceedings are bent from private leadership. The military-industrial complex shows an increase in production, and civil (private) decline.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 16: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: 34 region
        and civil (private) recession.

        You look at the builders, just burn down. laughing
        You at least a week look at the site http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/
        1. Yars
          Yars 6 November 2015 20: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Quote: 34 region
          and civil (private) recession.

          You look at the builders, just burn down. laughing
          You at least a week look at the site http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/

          I agree with you, Alexander! But unfortunately they don’t understand this, not for this they are paid money!
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Tatiana
      Almost all civilian branches died

      Uh ... You compare the fuel consumption of the IL-96 with A330. After that, the questions disappeared by themselves
      Quote: Tatiana
      Or will we start following the example of foreign Western powers themselves to rob other, militarily weak countries?

      Hmmm [thinking] ... But a good idea, just need a little bit of special services to pump
    3. g1v2
      g1v2 6 November 2015 12: 25 New
      +2
      Our civilian industries almost died in the 90s for one reason, and these are not even insidious CIA agents. The reason is the removal of the iron curtain. Well, and in addition, the collapse of the country with a break in production chains. Transcorpations broke into our market and simply crushed our production. It is a completely market process - a larger business is always more efficient and stronger than a small one. These corporations practically everything turned out to be better and cheaper - airplanes, machine tools, plumbing, grub, fashionable clothes and so on. Do you remember how AvtoVAZ dealers spread rot, creating a huge advertisement for him? But to buy you need money, which means you need to sell something for this. And what does the global economy need from us? In fact, only one thing is resources. That is why the extractive industries were the only ones stronger at that time. To counter transnational corporations, you need strong NATIONAL CORPORATIONS that can conquer their market and go on the offensive. ROSNEFT, GAZPROM, Lukoil, Rusal, Miratorg, Sberbank, VTB24, Schwabe, UAC, OSK and so on are waging their war and are no less important than the VKS or ground forces. And the outcome of this war, which is not fought by ministers in the first place, depends on whether we will be economically independent and win back our market or whether transnational corporations will crush us and take control of us.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 6 November 2015 13: 04 New
        +2
        Rather, state, not national. There should be a strategic development plan for the country. After all, each military unit does not fight by itself? There is a headquarters, general staff. The partisan movement is like a private movement (business). But the partisans acted according to the plan of the General Staff. Different industries are like different kinds of troops. Only the troops act in concert, and production is mired in the Makhnovshchina. Each for himself. What is the neighbor? Do not care. Therefore, without the State Planning Commission, we won’t leave anywhere. Need a development plan. What and how much we need. Do we need half the country of lawyers?
    4. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 06 New
      -1
      Quote: Tatiana
      You won’t chew shells and, like a pill, you won’t drink a shell from a disease for health! And where are we going to take everything else if there is nothing of our own in this regard?

      We produce the rest ourselves, not all and not in full, but instead of exporting grain to the USSR, Russia with reduced areas came out on the 3rd place in pita for wheat export, almost completely closed the needs for poultry meat, etc. Wake up, ma'am.
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 6 November 2015 17: 33 New
        +3
        Due to the total reduction in the dairy and meat stock of cattle and pigs with sheep previously consumed cereals, which are now exported.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 48 New
          -3
          Quote: dvg79
          Due to the total reduction in the dairy and meat stock of cattle and pigs with sheep previously consumed cereals, which are now exported.

          This is a lie, my nephew in the Kursk region is working on a feed mill and more than one feed mill is being built ...

          When will you, morons, stop spitting in your country. omitting ourselves in der.mo ??
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 20: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            It's a lie
            Your statement is yes, a lie.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 6 November 2015 20: 29 New
              -2
              These statistics do not take into account how many heads of livestock in one farm, 97 of them have 10, and in 2014 there are already 500 heads.
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 22: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                This statistic does not take into account how many livestock
                And what? Has this somehow influenced the fact of a "total reduction in the dairy and meat stock of cattle"?
          2. Your friend
            Your friend 7 November 2015 01: 40 New
            -3
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Quote: dvg79
            Due to the total reduction in the dairy and meat stock of cattle and pigs with sheep previously consumed cereals, which are now exported.

            This is a lie, my nephew in the Kursk region is working on a feed mill and more than one feed mill is being built ...

            When will you, morons, stop spitting in your country. omitting ourselves in der.mo ??

            Do not be nervous. You will not convince anyone. These people are stuck in the past, but in the present they see nothing good. Give them at least a million links to established production, it is useless. After all, whining is easier than doing things. (((
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      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 19: 52 New
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Russia with reduced areas came out on the 3rd place in pita for wheat export, almost completely closed the needs for poultry meat, etc.
        This is a great achievement, very good.

    5. Vadim237
      Vadim237 6 November 2015 20: 35 New
      -1
      All civilian industries in Russia have again earned, most of them private traders.
    6. Setrac
      Setrac 7 November 2015 12: 41 New
      0
      What do you mean "dead sectors of the economy"? Study the economy, demand creates supply, but not vice versa, demand cannot generate any supply. There is no demand - industries are dying, there is demand - new industries will rise from scratch.
  • BMW
    BMW 6 November 2015 09: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: KAMLS
    “Oil needle” is a catchphrase. Nothing more.

    I just don’t have words, either to sprinkle poison on you, or the worse. I wonder if you listened to the speeches of Putin or Medvedev, looked at the data of Rosstat? Not? no
    Quote: KAMLS
    And it’s good that this money goes under smart command to the development of industry.

    For 15 years, how many nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, shipyards, aircraft factories, tractor, automobile, machine-tool, instrument-making, textile, wood-processing, electronics, etc. factories. You can list endlessly. Issued: million cars, million tractors, thousand aircraft, thousand helicopters, hundreds of ships, shoes and clothes can not be counted, nuclear power plants. built, produced and used to produce goods and services trillions of kW / h of electricity. At the same time, the highest quality of gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene, oil, and polymers was produced and sold abroad, million tons per year.
    Quote: KAMLS
    Otherwise, there would be no new SU-35 and T-50 aircraft, submarines, Caliber, Armata, and much more.

    There was such an incident, well, they did not have time to sell and cut it. There were enthusiasts and patriots in the homeland, most of whom were bare-ass.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: bmw
      Such an incident happened, well, they didn’t manage to sell and saw, whither, hoo, ko-ko-ko, ku-ka-re-ku

      I'm sorry, what?
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 6 November 2015 13: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        Quote: bmw
        Such an incident happened, well, they didn’t manage to sell and saw, whither, hoo, ko-ko-ko, ku-ka-re-ku

        I'm sorry, what?

        Well, roughly - Bombardy Kergoudou .. laughing
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 6 November 2015 13: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: bmw
      I just don’t have words, either to sprinkle poison on you, or the worse. I wonder if you listened to the speeches of Putin or Medvedev, looked at the data of Rosstat? Not?

      Michael you scare me .. laughing what if opponents also take into service? Tomorrow on the way I will buy a mask .. laughing
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Michael, you scare me .. laughing and what if opponents also take into service? Tomorrow along the way I will buy a mask .. laughing


    3. BMW
      BMW 6 November 2015 14: 14 New
      +2
      I want to apologize to KAMLS, rudely happened.
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      Michael you scare me ..

      I myself sometimes get scared repeat It is a pity there is no medical emoticon with a snake, but in words it’s rude.
      It seems that Putin and Medvedev buzzed all their ears with an oil needle, was it really boring?
      Kudah kud kahah belay , testicle for T-50 rolled out wassat .
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 6 November 2015 14: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: bmw
        Sorry there is no medical emoticon with a snake

        google emoticons for free - there you choose what you want for him at least - T-50 with an egg .. laughing
        I wrote myself rzhu ..
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 59 New
        -3
        Quote: bmw
        all ears buzzed with an oil needle

        "Sits on the needle" the one who buys. wink

        This is the West sitting on an oil needle. smile
        And Russia is diversifying the economy. good

        And finally stop mocking your country !!!

        1. Marxist
          Marxist 6 November 2015 19: 27 New
          +7
          The financial system of the Russian Federation sits on an oil needle, the stability of which, as practice has shown, depends entirely and completely on oil prices.
          By the way, isn’t our economy a consumer of our oil?

          "Diversification of the economy" - fear God. About ZIL and Sibselmash already wrote, there are many more such examples, for example, SAZ.
          In our city in Kaluga over the past 15 years, they were destroyed (they didn’t “move”, but they were purposefully bankrupt and destroyed):
          - mill mill;
          - CRYSTAL winery (may have heard);
          - 2 musical instrument factory;
          - perfumery factory;
          - poultry farm "Karachevskaya";
          - woodworking plant ("Match").
          Kaluga Engine and Automotive Electronics Plant are in critical condition. Almost half of the workshops are leased, the average age of employees is 50 years. There are no orders, although on the TV they also chatted about 2 years ago.
          And they gave the city more jobs than the entire "autocluster" combined.

          But you are used to spitting in the face of your fellow citizens because of the wide back of the World Wide Web, accusing them of something they never did and what they could not even think about ("why do you not love Russia so much," "the USSR was falling apart all CPSU "(here you also spat in the leadership of your country, which previously was a member of the CPSU), etc.), closing the eye is absolutely obvious.
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 19: 45 New
            -7
            Quote: Marxist
            CRYSTAL winery (maybe heard);

            I would generally introduce prohibition in Russia.

            Quote: Marxist
            Kaluga Engine and Automotive Electronics Plant are in critical condition. Almost half of the workshops are leased, the average age of employees is 50 years. There are no orders, although on the TV they also chatted about 2 years ago.
            And they gave the city more jobs than the entire "autocluster" combined.
            Citizen. it is EXACTLY TIGHT FOR YOU. The fact that we have problems in the country, the CIS, the former social. camp, etc. EXCLUSIVELY corrupt corrupt brainless communists who erred and dismembered the USSR and threw the entire social camp are to blame.
            Putin is FIXING the consequences of this dismemberment today. Do not put the horse behind the cart.
            1. Marxist
              Marxist 6 November 2015 20: 10 New
              +4
              I would generally introduce prohibition in Russia

              Mikhail Sergeyevich also began with this ...
              guilty EXCLUSIVELY

              You are just like Yatsenyuk - the past regime is to blame for everything.
              Or decided to troll today?
              He is punished on the site with a ban, they knew not ???
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 7 November 2015 01: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Marxist
                He is punished on the site with a ban, they knew no

                Kremlin bots are not banned - politics ..
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 7 November 2015 12: 53 New
            0
            And you yourself used the products of the collapsed "enterprises" you indicated?
    4. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 17: 12 New
      -5
      Quote: bmw
      For 15 years, how many nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, thermal power plants, shipyards, aircraft factories, tractor, automobile, machine-tool, instrument-making, textile, wood-processing, electronics, etc. factories

      With this claim to the Communists turn. It was they who dismembered the USSR in 1991, pegged the ruble to the dollar, refused to trade with the CMEA countries for the transferable rubles used in the CMEA international settlements ...

      Quote: bmw
      There was such an incident, well, they did not have time to sell and cut it.

      Just no words, just emoticons. fool fool fool

      1. Marxist
        Marxist 6 November 2015 19: 39 New
        +6
        With this claim to the Communists turn.

        Change the training manual, this is already rotten.
        Just no words

        Yes, I am about the same.
        Lada Priora, Kalina - Soviet developments, T-90, Su-35, MiG-35 - based on Soviet developments. Armata is also very, very much more from the Soviet backlog, the Black Eagle and the T-95.
        They took up something of their own (T-50) - so we can’t bring 15 years to the end and, obviously, we won’t bring it to the end of this decade. PAK YES was blown away, instead of it they decided in 8 years to start ... uh ... build (on 1-2 aircraft a year, KAZ will no longer pull) the Soviet Tu-160.
        In nuclear energy, fundamentally little is new. They talked about thermonuclear energy and the use of nuclear waste, but they have been talking for 25 for years.
        In general, the era of props.
        And on Rogozin -Twittering refer - do not respect yourself at all. I remember that in 2012, he said that in 3 of the year we will see a revival of industry. Well, and how - you see the "gopher"
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 19: 52 New
          -4
          Quote: Marxist
          Lada Priora, Kalina - Soviet developments

          Putilovsky plant remember? The royal factory, like hundreds and thousands of enterprises across the country. You went nuts on the traitors of Russia, who committed revolt during the war, who killed more than TEN millions of our citizens in the Civil War alone.

          And I repeat once again - claims to the communists who destroyed the USSR. Pros.rali USSR, and Putin is to blame for everything.

          PS So the cons have arrived, as the last "argument" of your company. laughing

        2. Setrac
          Setrac 7 November 2015 13: 01 New
          +1
          Do we have a taboo on Soviet developments? The Americans won the whole world with processors based on Soviet developments and are not worried.
          Your denseness is simply amazing, google ITER
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 6 November 2015 10: 49 New
    +5
    Cams
    Let's go down from heaven to earth and look at the things of life:
    The operation to lift the first arched span weighing almost 2 thousand tons to the backup legs of the Borsky bridge in the Nizhny Novgorod region was successfully completed. Installation was carried out by the only Swedish company in Europe specializing in lifting of overall structures
    or such news
    Nizhny Novgorod, November 5 - AiF-NN. The assembly of the tunnel shield for the construction of tunnels to the Strelka metro station will be controlled by German experts, the city administration reports. Currently, 42 containers with equipment for the tunneling complex have arrived from Germany
    The question is where are our specialists, our technologies and our equipment? hi
    1. dvg79
      dvg79 6 November 2015 12: 01 New
      +1
      Effective managers are not profitable, you need to work and not sit on the general contract and count money from kickbacks.
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 08 New
      -3
      Quote: Gomunkul
      The question is where are our specialists, our technologies and our equipment?

      Answer - In Europe, the population is approximately 827,3 million people. There are 146 million in Russia. Next, figure out where I'm going?
      1. Marxist
        Marxist 6 November 2015 19: 53 New
        +5
        The US population is 5 times smaller than that of China, and their GDP is equal.
        Next, figure out where I'm going?

        And yes: somewhere before the 00, we had specialists, and a well-functioning system for their training, and equipment, and their production.
        But over the 15 years, the training system for technical personnel was destroyed, instrument-making and machine-tool building with the radio-electronic industry as INDUSTRIES disappeared.
        Next, figure out where I'm going?
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 7 November 2015 01: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Marxist
          Next, figure out where I'm going?

          But what about Skolkovo? Rusnano? fellow laughing
      2. Marxist
        Marxist 6 November 2015 19: 54 New
        +1
        The US population is 5 times smaller than that of China, and their GDP is equal.
        Next, figure out where I'm going?

        And yes: somewhere before the 00, we had specialists, and a well-functioning system for their training, and equipment, and their production.
        But over the 15 years, the training system for technical personnel was destroyed, instrument-making and machine-tool building with the radio-electronic industry as INDUSTRIES disappeared.
        Next, figure out where I'm going?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 7 November 2015 13: 17 New
          +3
          Steel smelting
          China 822 million tons
          usa 88 million tons
          wheat production
          China 115 million tons
          usa 60 million tons
          You, as a real Marxist, should not count dollars, but tons, liters, pieces.
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  • Letun
    Letun 6 November 2015 11: 35 New
    +8
    Quote: KAMLS
    That's all howl about this so-called oil needle ....
    And these howlers at least once thought what would happen if we hadn’t oil?
    We use oil in order to grow industry, and evolutionarily start earning it by industrial means, and again, trade oil in the same way!
    Or as soon as we raise the industry, so immediately we will contemptuously stop trading in oil? !!!!
    “Oil needle” is a catchphrase. Nothing more. And it’s good that we have oil, and it’s good that we trade it. And it’s good that this money goes under smart command to the development of industry.
    Otherwise, there would be no new SU-35 and T-50 aircraft, submarines, Caliber, Armata, and much more.

    And in Japan there are practically no minerals. But there is: Honda, Yamaha, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Toyota, Toshiba, Amada ... Continue? And how are they so without oil then ?!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 13: 05 New
      +4
      So without oil, apparently involuntarily, you will want to work!
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: 34 region
        So without oil, apparently involuntarily, you will want to work!

        Not without oil, but without free dough for office plankton.
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    2. Setrac
      Setrac 7 November 2015 13: 28 New
      +1
      In Russia there is no place where snow doesn’t fall in winter, there is no tropical jungle, citrus fruits do not grow, a crocodile is not caught, coconut does not grow.
      Japan does not have its own nuclear technology, the production of turbines, missiles, its own system of global positioning .... and this is far from all.
  • igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 6 November 2015 13: 59 New
    +6
    Even the great chemist Mendelev said drowning with oil - it’s the same as drowning with alarms. It is necessary to develop petrochemistry faster. The added value of a petrochemical product is much higher than a barrel of oil. You would be surprised, but the USSR knew this matter very well. And the net sale of oil in no comparison does not go with today. Yes, new enterprises are being built, almost forced to develop. Another thing that surprises me, according to the report on the profitability of our oil production, says that even a drop in quotes below is still higher here. It turns out that even the USSR was able to calculate and find acceptable solutions. And now it's time to decide what to do next. We will soon find out where the capital of the companies will go, what investment projects are priority.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: igor.borov775
      You will be surprised, but the USSR knew this matter very well.

      The USSR therefore exchanged oil pipes in Germany? Therefore, built the gas transportation system of Ukraine?

      Quote: igor.borov775
      It turns out that even the USSR was able to calculate and find acceptable solutions.

      He was able, but not in everything and not always.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 7 November 2015 09: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: KAMLS
    We use oil in order to grow industry, and evolutionarily start earning it by industrial meansWell, again, trade in oil the same way!
    Or as soon as we raise the industry, so immediately we will contemptuously stop trading in oil? !!!!

    Something I don’t see is painful that in our country the industry evolutionarily destroyed during the years of democracy will rise. Found on the Internet, wrote here about the Samara Aircraft Plant. In Soviet times, it produced 50-54 aircraft per year, and now it is happy to order an 3 repair. But Boeings are falling ... And there are no such factories to count! But we have oil billionaires - well, just like under Nikita! We will overtake and overtake the decaying West to produce billionaires!

    There is no need to stop trading in oil. Only revenues from the sale of oil must first be redistributed towards the budget, and not towards offshore. And then make sure that they are not even plundered, but let into business.

    Oil is nationalized in Norway - and nothing, the norgs live without the Abramovichs, they do not cough. I’m not talking about the Saudis, where the budget is the sheikh’s pocket and he is forced to spread money out of it so that his subjects don’t make it ... And it’s good, I must say, he is putting it out.
  • SPACE
    SPACE 6 November 2015 07: 57 New
    -11
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    to get off the oil and gas needle

    http://ruxpert.ru/Нефтяная_игла
    http://ruxpert.ru/Высокотехнологичная_продукция_России
    We read, we think, we check, we are convinced, and finally we cease to carry some kind of nonsense, nonsense, nonsense and nonsense ...
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price!

    Most probably live so rich? laughing If all the same, what is it, what is wrong again? They correctly said that everyone is on the drum, the main thing is that your priest would be warm ...
    Z.Y. What kind of socially deprived people are all here, do you want to care? Okay, pensioners, old people are excusable, by the way, many of them, in terms of strength of character, will give odds to local whiners. Maybe he’s sorry for you, everyone needs to wipe the sneakers for them, Putin should, the government should, they all owe you, although in reality no one owes nothing to anyone, on the contrary, they all, to one degree or another, owe it to their state! the very fact of his birth, and everyone else wanted, as they say, these are your personal sexual difficulties. Welcomed the Fatherland ...
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    2. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 6 November 2015 08: 46 New
      +24
      Putin owes, the government owes, everyone owes you, although in reality no one owes nothing to anyone, on the contrary, all to one degree or another, one way or another, but they themselves owe their state! the very fact of his birth

      I don’t know about you, but I personally owe the fact of my birth to my late dad and mom. And I was born in a state that is no longer in the USSR. Yes, we all, being patriots of our country, owe to our state, who is what. But even the State, if it wants full return from its citizens, should turn to its people face, not feed. It should give this very people the opportunity (at least by law) to realize not their “wanted”, but the most urgent needs: to get a normal job, specialty and the opportunity to earn and get a normal wage - and not in the style of "if you pretend that you pay, then I will pretend that I’m working "(I’m not talking about social programs - as a pensioner, I continue to work and am quite happy with my current job, I do not wait for handouts from the state). But at the same time, everyone should be aware that he has not only the right, but also the obligation - the obligation to work out and pay (taxes, etc.) for the opportunities provided to him by the state for obtaining a specialty, good work and adequate payment for his labor. I'm not talking about responsibility for my words and deeds.
      I have the honor.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 32 New
        -3
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        The state, if it wants a full return from its citizens, should turn to its people face, not stern.

        Citizen, you forgot that today we have capitalism and private ownership of the means of production. Well, HOW does your state have to FORCE a private trader to do what he does not want ??? No, there is, of course, an option, but this is not our method. This is me for the fast 17 year. Russia is full of revolutions, but people don’t want to think so.
        “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
        And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

        Quote: bmw
        Our price is 864 mp. The rate of 13,17%. Down payment 260 tr. CASCO 30 tr. Credit for three years. Monthly payment 21521 rub.

        Well, just poverty brought to despair !!! laughing
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 7 November 2015 02: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Well, HOW does your state have to FORCE a private trader to do what he does not want ???
          No, there is, of course, an option, but this is not our method.

          Sasha with this phrase you betray yourself ... bully
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    3. korvin1976
      korvin1976 6 November 2015 08: 49 New
      -9
      Your words, yes to God in the ears. But the majority still doesn’t understand this, and if they understand it, they don’t realize it, even if it does, it denies it. It turns out some kind of vicious circle.
      In fact, for the frequent impression most of the members of the forum think about being deprived of everything and everything that life offended them in full. And everyone there, everyone demands, the state should give everything to them on a silver platter.
      The tirades to the question are especially surprising, but what have you done for the state?
      - I am working!
      Tin answer, from the category of a question what is your head for? I eat in it.
      Dear forum users, understand and remember that what you are working on is essentially neither cold nor hot for the state, you are essentially working for your loved ones, these are your income and your well-being.
      Recently, I have already written a sufficient number of comments on this topic, but I repeat once again:
      Almost everyone gets what he deserves, and what he earned, not necessarily with his own hands, mostly with his head.
      Having an education of 8 classes, not knowing what, not wanting to work, but only to sit out their pants, people aspire to large salaries and to the realization of their exorbitant Wishlist.
      If you want to live well, live well, but at the same time do something to live well, sit by the sea and wait for a goldfish, of course, but for a long and nt perspective.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 6 November 2015 09: 06 New
        +9
        Quote: korvin1976
        Dear forum users, understand and remember that what you are working on is essentially neither cold nor hot for the state, you are essentially working for your loved ones, these are your income and your well-being.

        Only slaves worked completely for the master. And then, in the form of some kind of power supply, they too fell.
        And what is a state, and with what do they eat it? And at the expense of whom does it exist? Does the state need a parasite? Your statement before the next anniversary is very relevant.
        Quote: korvin1976
        Almost everyone gets what he deserves, and what he earned, not necessarily with his own hands, mostly with his head.

        Well, directly, the slogan of socialism: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work." Who determines the fairness of wages?
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        ... as a pensioner, however, I continue to work ...

        And I’m an extra person at the state. And I continue to work. But a relative cannot find work. Starovat-s. Freeloader, however.
        1. korvin1976
          korvin1976 6 November 2015 11: 51 New
          0
          Only slaves worked completely for the master. And then, in the form of some kind of power supply, they too fell.
          And what is a state, and with what do they eat it? And at the expense of whom does it exist? Does the state need a parasite? Your statement before the next anniversary is very relevant.

          To get started, first study the tax policy, what are the taxes on your salary. And from what criteria is the state budget filled. You already believe your 1% deductions to the budget, this is a drop in the bucket.
          Well, directly, the slogan of socialism: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work." Who determines the fairness of wages?
          And what do you have against this slogan? This slogan was true both then and now. First of all, the employee determines the fairness of wages, you believe it. If an employee receives a meager salary, but at the same time continues to work, then this work suits him, then the employee himself believes that his work is worth so much. Nobody is forcibly holding you in this work, he is not chained to the workplace.
          There are higher paying jobs, why don't you work there? Maybe due to the fact that you do not fit the specifics of this work, lack of qualifications and specialization? This is not about you personally, I remember that you are a senior citizen.
          But a relative cannot find work. Starovat-s. Freeloader, however.
          Your relative cannot find a job? Or maybe the problem is that he doesn’t really want to look for her? Or is it that with his low qualifications, he wants to get too much money?
          Cases are different of course, but ..... work shaft. I work in a recruitment agency, and you believe me, I have constant problems with the staff, people stupidly do not want to work. Until the TSZ website was closed, job postings were posted there, so do not believe about 1500 vacancies, with an average salary of 18.000 rubles, a minimum of 10.500 (for state employees) and an average of 26-28 thousand for the average specialist.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 6 November 2015 14: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: korvin1976
            You already believe your 1% deductions to the budget, this is a drop in the bucket.

            "From the world on a thread - a bare shirt." To collect even 1% from the world is not enough.
            Quote: korvin1976
            Cases are different of course, but ..... work shaft. I work in a recruiting agency, and you believe me, I have constant problems with the staff, people stupidly do not want to work

            I believe that finding a qualified specialist “for free” is just as difficult as, incidentally, finding a decent payment for him. Therefore, "a lot of work."
            Quote: korvin1976
            First of all, the employee determines the justice of remuneration of labor, you believe it.

            Maybe "stupidly" do not want to work for free? Are you going to work at 10500? But, they seriously offer. And they work outside the Moscow Ring Road.
            Quote: korvin1976
            Nobody is forcibly holding you in this work, he is not chained to the workplace.

            Yes, yes, I remember Medvedev saying something like that — drop your house and go look for work around the world. Pol-Ryazan in Moscow "guest workers". And for real guest workers from former fraternal republics, the payment is heavenly. However, “Moscow is not rubber”, although even there Karl Marx’s statement about the payment of an employee is confirmed.
            But our ancestors only said: “Where I was born, it came in handy.” Yes, and there are different chains.
            PS
            Quote: korvin1976
            Until they closed the site of the work center, ....

            What has the site done wrong?
            1. korvin1976
              korvin1976 6 November 2015 15: 57 New
              0
              Maybe "stupidly" do not want to work for free? Are you going to work at 10500? But, they seriously offer. And they work outside the Moscow Ring Road.
              Believe me, I had to work for that kind of money and work as a watchman as a janitor. And if you take into account that when changing a job it is not always possible to find the right one, but you want to eat the same during this period, you have to temporarily take on any work. I'm sorry, I'm not proud. And I’m not used to sitting on the priest evenly and waiting for the manna from heaven.
              Personally, I do not understand the desire of the people to go from us (almost the same as Ryazan, only Tula) to Moscow to earn money. I understand when earnings are quite real, but to go somewhere, to live is not clear where, and to receive is not much more than you would get from us, for me this is nonsense.
              What has the site done wrong?
              The site was guilty of the fact that it had the opportunity to really see the amount of unemployment. In early September, the governor said: in the Tula region, the largest unemployment among areas of neighbors. And then develop such a fawn in the number of vacancies.

              Unemployment is a total lack of jobs
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 6 November 2015 16: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: korvin1976
                Believe me, I had to work for that kind of money ...

                Glad I was wrong. It was thought, the snob in a warm office argues. Anyway, your arguments for me are wrong and not convincing.
                Quote: korvin1976
                Unemployment is a total lack of jobs

                Let me give you an example, though from Germany, but indicative. Unemployed, it seems with a liberal education offered to work as a prostitute (they have a legal profession). Failure was considered the basis for deregistration.
                The work center site was another victim of officials. Regrettably. Sometimes it seems to me that the clan of officials exists to ensure that people "life does not seem like honey."
                1. korvin1976
                  korvin1976 8 November 2015 13: 30 New
                  0
                  If my arguments are wrong and not convincing, give examples. And to say that I’m wrong, without giving evidence of an error, is tantamount to how many people act on the site, minus, but do not give arguments in defense of their position.
                  An example from Germany is quite instructive, but ..... they themselves legalized this profession, so this is a problem especially for them. If you offered a person to work as a janitor or a loader, would this change your mind? This is the same work, and money is paid for it. Moreover, no one forces you to stay at this job forever in the process of work, you can look for a more suitable one.
                  Again, a life example, by the nature of my work I work quite closely with the employment center, and so people on the stock exchange and receiving unemployment benefits can OFFICIALLY also work. In this regard, we are working with employment centers, so 90% of these "unemployed" do not want to work according to this scheme, it is easier for them to stand on the stock exchange to receive 4-6 thousand rubles and not to do anything. From us, you can additionally receive from such works from 15 to 20 thousand rubles, and, accordingly, what the Central Employee pays.
                  The situation with the TsZN website, I personally understand why the website was closed, there are many reasons for this, including the vacancy rate, but it is certainly not the main one.
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: Was Mammoth
              Maybe "stupidly" do not want to work for free?

              It was a long time ago, there are no others, but those farther ...
              I ask a man who complains about a problem with work - he thumped. But the one that was offered did not go. So, I ask: Zhen, and you this money, what do you want to get worth it? He: I don't know ...

              I don’t remember whose words everyone has less than he wants, but more than he deserves.
              1. korvin1976
                korvin1976 8 November 2015 13: 32 New
                0
                You expressed my thought, probably most succinctly and succinctly. That is what I want to explain.
                It will be necessary to remember these words, even to know who exactly said them
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 6 November 2015 18: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Was Mammoth
          And I’m an extra person at the state. And I continue to work. But a relative cannot find work. Starovat-s. Freeloader, however.

          I have repeatedly said here that it is necessary to bring down from the city. It is impossible to live in a city without money, it is easy in a village. So our ancestors lived for thousands of years.
          1. Marxist
            Marxist 6 November 2015 20: 14 New
            +2
            Get out of the city first, set an example.
            Or do you want to drive everyone else into the Stone Age, and wear a Swiss watch, an American iPhone and a German jacket with a satin lining?
            Yeah ... I feel, give you free rein - you will drive Russia to a concentration camp and will remember something else about the Communists.
      2. 34 region
        34 region 6 November 2015 09: 50 New
        +6
        Well, what are you so! 8 classes! People with two towers work as sellers and security guards. Maybe it's not about education?
        1. korvin1976
          korvin1976 6 November 2015 12: 05 New
          0
          Don’t believe it, it’s about such people that I’m talking about, having two towers to work as a security guard, this is the ultimate dream of these people. These people evaluate themselves this way, that's why they work.
          Education, of course, is not a little important, but education still needs to have a good head. To know does not mean to understand.
          I have enough examples of people who have risen from the bottom and have become quite successful people. At the same time, there are opposite examples when successful and prosperous people slipped to the bottom. And you believe me, it’s not in education, it is in the brains and aspirations of each person.
          1. SERGEII
            SERGEII 6 November 2015 13: 51 New
            +3
            Recruitment agency, you say? and what did you personally do for the country? Legislatively it is necessary to enforce a ban on recruitment, because this organization is a bloodsucker of strangers s / wages. How many% do you pull the poor people who have come to you? You are telling tales here about vacancies from 28000 rubles. Maybe once such a thing and slipped somewhere. Question: if this is a great salary, what is the empty place. And I don’t need to tell about the fact that geniuses of thought work in highly paid posts. Berezovsky went bankrupt, Misha didn’t create anything 2%, Baturin - where there are unprecedented projects and the greatest construction projects. As they moved away from the feeder, that's all. And you seem to be from there too. Creator of wealth at a recruiting agency.
            1. korvin1976
              korvin1976 6 November 2015 15: 44 New
              0
              No need to put everything and everyone under one comb. Many enterprises at the moment withdraw the so-called "non-specialized" personnel for the staff, withdraw for various reasons. And it is precisely such personnel that we provide. People who work for us receive exactly the same salary that they would get while working in this enterprise, and what WE did is that these same people get their salaries completely in white, with all tax deductions. We get the profit that we get from the enterprise itself, but not from the workers.
              You believe me, I know from my own experience that it is full of "black" offices, and lately it has been incredibly pleasing to me that most customer enterprises are still beginning to understand the advantages of working with enterprises working in white.
              I can say for the company in which I work:
              - the salary is completely white
              - there are payments for material assistance, gifts for employees on major Russian holidays
              - all employee standards comply with state standards and GOSTs
              And where are the poor fellows whom we somehow tore off somewhere? What exactly did we rip them off for. Not every company that employs such employees has everything that I have listed for you.
              Spraying saliva, not understanding the essence of the matter, and blaming for the eyes, a special mind is not required.
              As for the empty places, there are plenty of places, a constant shortage of personnel. Do you know why? Because when people come to work, they count on not often working, but suffering garbage, but still get money. Let me give you an example: we agreed with the company to carry out a certain amount of work, learned the hourly standard for this company, and proposed a piece-rate payment system. As a result, our employees completed the work in one shift, and when calculating according to the standard, they had to perform 3 shifts, and people received a full salary for their work, as if they worked three shifts. This is to questions about possible overstated standards.
              If you are not happy with something in your life, start changing something in it, but first start with yourself, not with others
          2. dvg79
            dvg79 7 November 2015 04: 38 New
            -1
            Have you climbed the heads?
            1. korvin1976
              korvin1976 8 November 2015 13: 19 New
              -1
              Sorry dear, people themselves are not judged.
              I do not aspire to career growth, for me it is mostly on the drum. For me, interesting work is important, and a salary corresponding to the work done. If something in this bunch doesn’t suit me, I’m looking for a compromise or a new job, but don’t rest on my horn and plow like a damn for a penny.
              Judging by your expression, people who have achieved something in life have all risen over their heads. Any more or less competent psychologist will tell you that the problem is that you have too low self-esteem (it can of course be inflated to an incredible size, but inside yourself you still understand that there is no one to call anyone), and it’s because of this, it seems to you that people who have achieved certain positive results in life go over the heads of others. Well, or on the other hand it is stupid envy.
              You cannot understand or believe that I often share my success and my achievements with my colleagues, and at the same time I do it completely free of charge. Yes, I'm partly an altruist by nature, and what's wrong with that? If I can get a little more than I need at the moment, why not share it? But again, you don’t understand this, you, like the majority, have the principle: everyone owes you, but you don’t have to owe anything to anyone, in extreme cases, very close people, and that’s not a fact.
              I live as I live, to the best of my ability and to the extent of my needs, there are certain dreams, but these dreams are fully consistent with my capabilities.
      3. dvg79
        dvg79 6 November 2015 12: 06 New
        +2
        In your opinion, the state is not a structure that protects the interests of the people, but a private shop where everyone should, and she wants to do something, and does not want to justify why she doesn’t.
        1. korvin1976
          korvin1976 6 November 2015 13: 19 New
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          These are your words, I didn’t say that.
          Just as citizens in a state have rights and obligations to the state, so the state has rights and obligations to its citizens.
          Read all the comments, the same thing goes everywhere, the state is obliged, the state must, but to the question: What have you done for the state? Only one answer: I work.
          I repeat once again, the fact that you work is not an obligation to the state. In fact, you may not work, the question is who will be worse off from this, to you or the state.
          People are accustomed to just ask, in fact without giving anything in return.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 20: 13 New
            0
            Quote: korvin1976
            Just as citizens in a state have rights and obligations to the state, so the state has rights and obligations to its citizens
            What is the state?
      4. 222222
        222222 6 November 2015 13: 29 New
        +6
        korvin1976 SU Today, 08:49 ↑ ... "they all demand, the state must give everything to them on a silver platter."
        ..won't wait .. why? .. Ilyich gave an answer to this a long time ago ...
        1. 222222
          222222 6 November 2015 13: 32 New
          +11
          korvin1976 SU Today, 08:49 ↑ ... "they all demand, the state must give everything to them on a silver platter."
          ..And here is the opinion of the very famous Nobel laureate J.I., Alferov ....
          1. korvin1976
            korvin1976 6 November 2015 16: 12 New
            -6
            Just do not tell what you pay for everything at once. Education with us is still free, at least secondary, specialized secondary and technical secondary, partly and higher. The fact that it does not suit us in quality is another question.
            In the same way with medicine, my first child is a disabled child, believe me, I went through a lot of things with him in medical circles. The fact that on the ground as a rule overwhelming people agree completely, but we must learn to build them and demand from them what you are supposed to.
            Do you pay for housing in full? As I understand it, you are paying YOUR PRIVATE (privatized) apartment. Sorry, the time has passed when the apartment was the property of the state and the state could subsidize its property. Now this is YOUR property and you must maintain it.
            No one forces people to accumulate pensions from their own funds, but they propose to increase their pension accumulations at their own expense. The difference I think is obvious OFFER AND PURCHASE
    4. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: SPACE
      We read, we think, we check, we are convinced, and finally we cease to carry some kind of nonsense, nonsense, nonsense and nonsense ...

      Relax, pointlessly arguing with populists ...
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 07 New
    +9
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price!
    I have the honor.


    Dear Alexander, because our government song and dance ensemble, under the direction of DAM, performs dance numbers not for you and me, but just for those who own a state gas station. But in life, as you know, who orders music, he does not pay for it, but only determines the repertoire, leaving payment to the people, that is, to you and me.

    Somehow in our country for some reason. belay Dear colleague. hi
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 6 November 2015 09: 16 New
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    And what does the oil needle have to do with it, our budget is formed from taxes, and not everyone likes to pay taxes in our country.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +6
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price!

    Life has repeatedly confirmed your words. Our oligarchs will not die of greed. Oil prices are falling or rising, they are still raising gas prices, followed by rising prices for all goods and services. It is time to change this anti-people system to a socialist one.
    1. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Алексей_К
      It is time to change this anti-popular system to the socialist

      Where were you in the middle of August 1991? Now, if you do not want to repeat the nineties on a multiple scale, you have to endure capitalism
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 23: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        Quote: Алексей_К
        It is time to change this anti-popular system to the socialist

        Where were you in the middle of August 1991? Now, if you do not want to repeat the nineties on a multiple scale, you have to endure capitalism

        In hindsight, it’s easy to say: “Where were you?” I worked, I live in the Urals and we did not have coups in Sverdlovsk. It was all only in Moscow. This Muscovites arranged everything - farmers. I was voting for the preservation of the USSR. This Muscovite drunk Yeltsin supported and allowed him to shoot the legitimate Congress of Soviets and the Supreme Council. This Muscovites-like the Ukrainian Maidan, applauded all this. If I knew and could somehow influence, I personally would have taken a sniper rifle and shot this villain who had ruined the USSR, my homeland.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 7 November 2015 08: 04 New
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          Quote: Алексей_К
          This Muscovites drunk Yeltsin supported

          а точнее некто Казанник - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA,_
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  • 222222
    222222 6 November 2015 09: 39 New
    +13
    ... when POWER at all levels becomes a business and a means of generating income, what can we say ...
    1. 222222
      222222 6 November 2015 09: 44 New
      +13
      And in Stalin about the national currency ...
      1. 222222
        222222 6 November 2015 09: 49 New
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        And in Stalin about the economic system ...
  • Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 09: 58 New
    -10
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if the economic bloc of the Russian government thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle.

    Forget about diversifying the economy in the near future, just forget. First of all, because the Russians themselves do not want to work in heavy production, while other types of economies do not take it seriously
    1. dvg79
      dvg79 6 November 2015 12: 13 New
      +9
      You won’t believe for what pennies people work in construction and gold mining (which I directly encounter in our Amur Region) and there’s still a problem to get a job — no work.
  • Vend
    Vend 6 November 2015 10: 02 New
    -4
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

    It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if the economic bloc of the Russian government thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle.

    There is no oil and gas needle, this is all media propaganda. There is a pegging of the ruble to oil prices, the Yeltsin legacy. Last week, if I am not mistaken, our president ordered the development of measures to free the ruble from oil prices. So what is being done.
    1. dmb
      dmb 6 November 2015 12: 00 New
      +5
      And your President, whose heir is he? Or he like a pimple accidentally jumped up. So pimples jump for some reason. I would very much like to hear about these reasons, and at the same time find out what is meant by the word “being done”.
      1. Vend
        Vend 6 November 2015 16: 10 New
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        Quote: dmb
        And your President, whose heir is he? Or he like a pimple accidentally jumped up. So pimples jump for some reason. I would very much like to hear about these reasons, and at the same time find out what is meant by the word “being done”.

        I understand that this is my president, but not yours. And I hope you do not need to explain the difference between the heir and the successor. And the heir to the Yeltsin path was Nemtsov. However, Yeltsin Nemtsov pushed aside, and instead put forward Putin. Thank you very much for that.
  • sergeybulkin
    sergeybulkin 6 November 2015 10: 14 New
    +5
    what if the current price of a barrel of oil is really based primarily on reporting frauds, coming primarily from American "friends"? ..

    The fact that the Americans are cheating with their reports is no doubt (to spite everyone), to bring chaos and confusion wherever their favorite pastime is possible. And under the guise of catching fish in troubled waters.
    As for the non-renewability of oil, the question is still open, as they say on the planet so much that it can’t be burned for the entire 1000 years. But it’s not about oil, it’s clear that it’s necessary to get off the oil needle, but that’s how our economists are going to get hooked on another needle, for example, exporting weapons ...
    Everyone is hungry for Euros, even ready to sell for cheap and anything, just for currency!
    The production of any chemistry is destruction - the poisoning of nature, it is much better to sell oil over a hill, and then buy a finished product there. We can all make a mess of our production, we built paper mills on Lake Baikal and the treatment facilities still don’t work, they pour poison directly into the cleanest lake in the world. And so it is everywhere.
  • the most important
    the most important 6 November 2015 10: 24 New
    +8
    Does the government have an economic bloc ??? Strange, I naively thought that everything by itself rolls into the abyss ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 6 November 2015 13: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: the most important
      Does the government have an economic bloc ??? Strange, I naively thought that everything by itself rolls into the abyss ...

      It's funny .. not just rolling itself, but heading and creeping ..
      And the “Kremlin bots” explain to us not far off that we ourselves are to blame .. read the comments and you can see who the “state employee” is, they’re interested in their salaries or they pay from the production ..
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  • smoke break
    smoke break 6 November 2015 11: 41 New
    +3
    If oil rises in price in the minds of our state “economists," even the thought of not appearing to change something. They are happy with everything. Once again, they will not have to reform anything, but simply receive oil tanks and buy the next Mistral for them abroad, whether they are alright, or some other toys.
    And all the proposals of sensible economists, such as Glazyev and SO. go into oblivion, but sorry .....
  • dvg79
    dvg79 6 November 2015 11: 43 New
    +2
    I completely agree, no matter how the price of oil changes, in Russia fuel will only go up.
  • nikpwolf
    nikpwolf 6 November 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if in the economic bloc of the Russian government they thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle. Among other reasons, hydrocarbons and associated products are not eternal, it is not a renewable resource.
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price!
    I have the honor.

    I have already said ... that, all this is very relevant, but not for these "rulers" at the helm of the country's economy. They have only one thing - life will become better only in the "fat" years. No other way. Well, there are no ideas (well, except for raising the retirement age and cutting social and defense spending). And that’s it. We are waiting for an increase in oil prices. And what else could be the solution? "Manna from heaven" will fall and feel better. We inflate the stabilization fund, and if we hold on to it. And then again ... And to hell do something? A penny "small" drips, does not blow anywhere. Well, what are you bothering with? What kind of industrialization? What is it? And now - tighten up, people, belts.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 6 November 2015 12: 09 New
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    Oil and gas needle is just another slogan - no more. The consumer is sitting on the needle, not the seller. As for the fact that they are not eternal, this is true even now, and we and the states are trying to build more for ourselves. As for the oligarchs, who supposedly are welded on oil. Tk will really surprise you. If in 2000, Rosneft was the sixth largest in production in the Russian Federation, now it has come out on top in the world after the purchase of TNK BP a couple of years ago, which was the third in the Russian Federation. FOR 15 YEARS ON THE ESSENCE OF OIL AND GAS PRODUCTION IS PRACTICALLY NATIONALIZED. In addition to Gazprom and Rosneft, there is only private Lukoil, which was left to penetrate where the state would not be allowed. By the way, Lukoil is now picking up a piece of Iraqi oil production for itself, for which the United States fought so much. Paradox - the Americans fought for oil, and the Russians produce it. wink
    In the structure of our GDP, oil and gas production is about 9 percent, but in export it is up to 55-60 percent. Why? And because world markets are busy and we are not eager to let us go there. Nobody really needs our computers or phones or anything else. We have 3 areas where we control a significant piece of the market - space, nuclear energy and the military industrial complex. For everything else, you need to fight with EU and South Asia, which do everything for everyone. Including to build pr-in and produce products is just the easiest. The most difficult thing is to sell and tear at least a small piece of the market. Until a product is sold, it is not considered manufactured. All these mantras about high-tech products that will save us. these are just slogans. And therefore, the markets of Syria, Iran, cubes and so on are so important to us. Here we can grab market share through politics.
    Well, what about the joy of lowering oil prices. Well, the oil industry has little left - the main oil money goes to the budget and to special funds. With this money they build roads, global infrastructure facilities, rearm the army. There will be no oil money, then it will be necessary to squeeze out other industries and freeze salaries for state employees - the army still needs to be re-equipped and the Northern Sea Route, which will feed our descendants, needs to be brought up, a bridge to the Crimea, roads across the country, power plants, a spaceport, ports, etc. If oil is getting more expensive, then the state will become richer and less likely that the state will have to go into your pocket, or maybe the salaries will be indexed. If it gets cheaper, forget about serious indexations so that they don’t speak on TV. request
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 13: 26 New
      +2
      But you can’t sell anything inside the country? Only abroad? We have a housing and road issue. Drive and resettle people. Only for these questions how much equipment and materials are needed. Probably even if you work on your own market, you can boost the economy quite well. Or not?
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 6 November 2015 14: 06 New
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        It is also necessary to conquer your market. In the 90s, we also lost it. Now we are starting to conquer in agony. For this, the ruble fell 50 percent. In theory, imports have now become more expensive and more profitable to produce in the Russian Federation. However, many firms were tied to imports and now they are in z-tse. Even those who produced domestically, still some percentage of imports in the composition was and is currently undergoing import substitution, which requires effort and money. Import-substituting industries also do not arise at a click under capitalism - that means our economy will be sausage for a long time to come. The benchmarks are 2018 and 2020. If by 2018 the situation does not become noticeably better, then it can be argued that something is going wrong. In theory, by 2020, the first stage of import substitution should end. The main parts of the military industrial complex, cx, a significant part of pharmaceuticals will be replaced, and the percentage of imports in mechanical engineering, the chemical industry, machine-tool industry and some other areas will decrease significantly. Light industry is unlikely to shine so far - not everyone is up to it now.
        It will be very interesting in the aircraft industry. After the disaster in Egypt, it will probably begin to ban or otherwise squeeze out old foreign planes and push through new domestic ones - first of all, superjets, and then maybe ms21, when it is released. The movement is going on there, but what will it result in - xs. There is infa that flights of Boeing-737 airliners may be banned in Russia, and this is our main competitor to the superjet.
        1. Marxist
          Marxist 6 November 2015 15: 20 New
          +4
          --It is also necessary to conquer your market
          And for this, we joined the WTO ???
          -- In 90, we also lost it.
          And in the 00's they continued to lose.
          -- For this, the ruble fell by 50 percent.
          That's right. Well, it’s necessary to compensate Sechin for the “losses”, otherwise you can’t save enough money for this poor philologist 5 million rubles a day.
          But the purchasing power of the rest of the population over the year fell by tens of percent.
          And instead of import substitution, manufacturers began to engage in price increases and exchange speculation.
          -- If by 2018 year
          Which 2018? Medvedev does not know here whether to index pensions next year or not, because even in the coming months, the government cannot say anything about the economic situation in the country.
          -- There is infa
          Delusional info.
          Firstly, where does this long-haul airliner compete with the short-haul ones, and secondly, did Aeroflot lobby in the 90's and 00's for the idea of ​​replacing the domestic air fleet with Boeing and Airbus.

          And in general - you use too much future tense.
          And what is there now, and it won’t be for 2020, 2040, 2050?
          There are ruined projects like the Sapsan sighting container and the Arctic satellite group, there are empty promises to replace European components with Chinese, there are destroyed engineering industries, the futility of investment in the Russian Federation, and there is a destroyed training system.
          There are untouchable cows heroized by you, Gazprom and Rosneft, which monthly increase electricity tariffs and who do not care how it affects domestic production and consumption, if only to fly to Cuba on eight Boeing-737 and give staff the latest iPhone model.
          ... And the people want to live and work now, and not by 2050.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 6 November 2015 16: 24 New
            +1
            We entered the WTO so that our goods are allowed to enter their market. Plus WTO rules do not allow sanctions. However, their markets were not opened to us, and sanctions were imposed anyway. By the way, I was initially against joining the WTO, and the result did not surprise me.
            As for the salary, Sechin is not even funny. I will reveal a great secret - the higher people rise, the more they have salaries and nishtyakov. There’s a friend of mine — the leaders in the municipal elections advanced. I ask him - on a fig? Well, I think that he will start broadcasting about the fight against corruption or something else - he started with the workers. And he - from me, he says, a friend of mine got out and now in the city he gets more than me and does nothing, but only shifts the pieces of paper. Says I also want to do nothing and get paid. laughing I repeat - the guy is young, he started working.
            As for 2018, I’ll also reveal a secret - no global processes are happening quickly. If you begin to build a pr-in, then it will work in a couple of years, and you will get profit from it in a few more years. As for investments - only in September in the Russian Federation 3 engines started production of engines - Mazda, Volkswagen and Ford. Unfortunately, they did not read you and did not know what to invest in the Russian Federation is futile. laughing In general, I don’t see any reason to argue with a convinced anti-Putin - you won’t convince me, I won’t be able to convince you, hi .
            1. Marxist
              Marxist 6 November 2015 17: 09 New
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              -- By the way, I was initially against joining the WTO, and the result did not surprise me.
              And you are not alone, and you alone were not surprised by the outcome.
              But our government, of course, does not apply to these “not one” ones.
              -- no global processes happen fast.
              I agree.
              The process of destroying vocational education in Russia did not begin yesterday, the process of transition of the Russian economy to speculative raw material tracks did not begin yesterday, but they continue today and will continue until they completely destroy the Russian economy.
              Such global processes are taking place in the Russian state today.
            2. Uncle Joe
              Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 20: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: g1v2
              We entered the WTO so that our goods are allowed to enter their market
              What goods?

    2. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 6 November 2015 20: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: g1v2
      Oil and gas needle is just another slogan - no more. The consumer is sitting on the needle, not the seller
      Therefore, this needle is not about us - we in Russia drown with wood ...

      14.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX As part of the “Give Firewood” charity event, a fundraiser is being held in favor of single elderly people who cannot afford to buy firewood. In Russia there are more than eight million single pensioners. Everyone survives as best he can. The worst time for the elderly is winter. Sometimes snow piles low huts on the roof. And in most villages you can get in only by transport or sleigh. If you do not stock up on firewood in the fall, you will not survive the winter.
      http://www.1tv.ru/sprojects_utro_video/si33/p102295
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  • Yars
    Yars 6 November 2015 13: 55 New
    -1
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

    It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if in the economic bloc of the Russian government they thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle. Among other reasons, hydrocarbons and associated products are not eternal, it is not a renewable resource.
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price! laughing
    I have the honor.

    I’m wondering how people know what is happening in the “economic bloc of the Russian government” ?!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 6 November 2015 15: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: YARS
      I’m wondering how people know what is happening in the “economic bloc of the Russian government” ?!

      We just live in this country!
      1. Yars
        Yars 6 November 2015 21: 24 New
        -4
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: YARS
        I’m wondering how people know what is happening in the “economic bloc of the Russian government” ?!

        We just live in this country!

        Oh really!? And after reading your regular trolling on discrimination of the president and Russia, it “smells” of the paid treason!
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 6 November 2015 23: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: YARS
      I’m wondering how people know what is happening in the “economic bloc of the Russian government” ?!

      Yes, for economic consequences, when the purchasing power of citizens falls. And the salary of deputies and ministers is growing.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 6 November 2015 14: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

    It would be much better for the country (and not some of its fellow citizens) if the economic bloc of the Russian government thought not about how to raise oil prices, but about what needs to be done in order to get off the oil and gas needle.


    The answer is elementary. Grandpa Koba would have simply shot this entire economic bloc. In our case, we need to hand over the current block to the archive and replace it with a new one that is adequate to the situation.
  • Geo73
    Geo73 6 November 2015 14: 58 New
    +1
    I completely agree with the previous speaker. Ulyukaev, in my opinion, could combine clowning and illusionism
  • Naum
    Naum 6 November 2015 17: 32 New
    -1
    To get off this "needle" is necessary including abandon the dollar as an international currency. It is unlikely that this can really be done simultaneously. It is necessary to strengthen regional currencies and then they can together squeeze the "greens" from regional markets.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 7 November 2015 08: 59 New
    +4
    Quote: Aleksandr72
    In any case, for most ordinary citizens, by and large it will still become cheaper or more expensive oil - gasoline in any case will rise in price!

    The capitalist ministers tell us that gasoline is getting more expensive, because in the world the price of oil is rising. Okay, let's say, although I personally do not see the connection. Oil is getting cheaper - gasoline is getting more expensive again. We are told that oil companies at the expense of the domestic market compensate for losses on the external. Karl Marx would have broken his head with such political economy !!! So does it really matter whether oil is getting cheaper or more expensive, if it is neither hot nor cold for me and millions of people like me. Gasoline still rises in price, and everything else follows. It turns out that high oil prices - good bonuses to oil industry workers, low oil prices - will the rubles be pulled from us again?

    I was already here at VO hanging an interesting schedule. He combined the time schedules of changes in oil and gas prices from Yandex quotes. Visual illustration to my words.
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 8 November 2015 10: 38 New
    0
    To lift these dancers' feet and insert matches. In addition to dancing and sawing, they can’t do anything.
  • svp67
    svp67 6 November 2015 06: 40 New
    +9
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...
    It's too early to rejoice. Rising oil prices will increase the competitiveness of the "shale", so that the game continues
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  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 6 November 2015 06: 40 New
    +10
    There, not only the floor trembled, but the ceiling was supposed to fall on these .... so to speak .. people ..
  • moskowit
    moskowit 6 November 2015 06: 42 New
    +20
    Sooner or later, oil prices will come to a reasonable size. But with regard to our country, this does not solve the problem. Our oil production is not higher than in other regions and by all measures we need to develop the refining industry. After all, after the war, we exported kerosene and fuel oil, not crude oil ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 6 November 2015 06: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: moskowit
      Sooner or later, oil prices will come to a reasonable size.

      vague doubts torment me ... It has always been an instrument in world politics, and therefore will continue to play prices depending on market conditions.
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 6 November 2015 06: 47 New
    -2
    shale mining is an interesting thing - you can drill a well and leave it until better times, anyway there is no pressure there, it must be created
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      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 6 November 2015 07: 02 New
        -2
        You have a well ready to work, if gas or oil prices allow you to start production, you only drive the reagent machines and turn on the submersible pump, if not, you can drill wells and wait for a profitable offer on the market
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 6 November 2015 11: 04 New
          +2
          You have a well ready to work, if gas or oil prices allow you to start production, you only drive the reagent machines and turn on the submersible pump, if not, you can drill wells and wait for a profitable offer on the market
          And where do you go about equipment and personnel downtime? And most importantly, how will you pay off loans during downtime?wink
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 6 November 2015 13: 05 New
            -1
            Quote: Gomunkul
            staff where you will get

            Or quit, or some new projects
            Quote: Gomunkul
            And most importantly, how will you pay off loans during downtime?

            Loan collateral
            1. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul 6 November 2015 13: 39 New
              +2
              Or quit, or some new projects
              In your case, this is the dismissal of staff, as you do not have other projects.
              Loan collateral
              I suppose that in the variant voiced by you, the well itself will act as a guarantee.
              As a result, in the worst case, if you are not the owner of a large business (with connections in the government), you will burn through, at best, you will remain with yours. hi
              PS I do not minus, because:
              This is not our method.
              laughing
              1. sa-ag
                sa-ag 6 November 2015 21: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Gomunkul
                I suppose that in the variant voiced by you, the well itself will act as a guarantee.

                A loan may be equipment taken on credit, land, real estate - buildings, enterprises, I’ve heard about the well for the first time :-)
                1. Gomunkul
                  Gomunkul 7 November 2015 09: 10 New
                  0
                  A loan may be equipment taken on credit, land, real estate - buildings, enterprises, I’ve heard about the well for the first time :-)
                  What I told you above is taken from personal experience. The only thing that he received is not in the oil industry, but in the chemical. If the enterprise needs to attract credit funds, then everything and even raw materials on which production should work and work is pledged. yes
                  1. sa-ag
                    sa-ag 7 November 2015 09: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Gomunkul
                    What I told you above is taken from personal experience.

                    But you didn’t lay the well, you laid the liquid asset, it’s just the raw material
                    1. Gomunkul
                      Gomunkul 7 November 2015 20: 41 New
                      0
                      But you didn’t lay the well, you laid the liquid asset, it’s just the raw material
                      They laid everything: equipment, raw materials, production buildings, and the ground under them.
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  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 6 November 2015 06: 49 New
    +2
    The technology of shale production is quite new, the growth in labor productivity is very high, so in my opinion, one should not be surprised at the growth of oil production in the USA. With rising oil prices, the states will very quickly increase supply, occupy the vacant market share. So there is a rationale for Saudi considerations. And it’s too early to buy boots for the step, you have to work. To raise the economy.
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  • Stoler
    Stoler 6 November 2015 06: 55 New
    +11
    Hurray !!!! You can again score on the economy and domestic production! "Suck" Next ?????
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 22 New
      -3
      Quote: Stoler
      ! "Suck" Next ???

      Yes do what you want laughing
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 6 November 2015 07: 51 New
        +8
        Stoler (3)
        Hurray !!!! You can again score on the economy and domestic production! "Suck" Next ?????

        Dear Stoler (3)! Your hint is understood.
        Unfortunately, indeed, the prevailing market "liberal worms" in the Russian Federation cannot be otherwise in principle!
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      3. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 6 November 2015 13: 26 New
        0
        like in marshals laughing
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  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 6 November 2015 06: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: moskowit
    Sooner or later, oil prices will come to a reasonable size. But with regard to our country, this does not solve the problem. Our oil production is not higher than in other regions and by all measures we need to develop the refining industry. After all, after the war, we exported kerosene and fuel oil, not crude oil ...


    I completely agree, but the machine tool industry needs to be developed, without machine tools, the production equipment is again purchased over the hill, we urgently need to reanimate our machine tool production, our technologies, etc.
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 6 November 2015 06: 56 New
    +4
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...
    And the gypsies at a low start around the corner should be in stock ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 07: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: wicked partisan
      In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

      Quote: svp67
      In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

      Quote: Aleksandr72
      In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

      The title of the article and the last line. Volodin, but was the rest worth writing lol
      Or the calculation was precisely for this wink
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 6 November 2015 08: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The title of the article and the last line.

        no Not our method. In the Urals, it is accepted to read entire articles yes . Hello suspect! drinks
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 November 2015 08: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: wicked partisan
          It’s accepted in the Urals

          I saw in skype. What have you taken there in the Urals wassat on the chest lol
          Quote: wicked partisan
          Hello suspect!

          You conditionally got your 3 years, so sit and enjoy yourself until the conditioner has turned to real belay
          Healthy alcoholic drinks
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 6 November 2015 07: 14 New
    +3
    As long as the government will constantly rely on the Russian "maybe" (in this case, the price of oil) and not fulfill its direct responsibilities, there will be no sense. We will also talk about price increases, inflation, low pensions, etc. Are there really no people in vast Russia who are able to correctly and wisely build and develop the economy? Of course there is, but these people are not in the bureaucratic "clip", therefore access to the top is closed to them.
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 6 November 2015 07: 15 New
    0
    I still didn’t understand why the floor trembled there. Do they already dance from joy, toli from something else? It would be better from something else. How long can a gas station be?
    1. anip
      anip 6 November 2015 09: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      How long can a gas station be?

      As much as the current regime and its followers will rule.
  • ARES623
    ARES623 6 November 2015 07: 26 New
    +7
    The first thing to do was bring Kudrin to Red Square and shoot him, i.e. officially recognize as malicious his policy of investing Russian funds in Western securities. Then, do the same with Siluanov. Accumulate funds received from rising gas and oil prices separately from the budget, investing in global infrastructure projects. It is necessary to gradually withdraw oil and gas funds from the budget. And for this, most likely, you will have to step back from liberalizing the economy, moving to partial state regulation. It's time to end these games in the "free market".
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 6 November 2015 08: 12 New
      +6
      ARES623
      It's time to finish these games in the "free market".
      That's right!
      It's time to finish playing FOREIGN games!
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: ARES623
      The first thing to do was bring Kudrin to Red Square and shoot him, i.e. officially recognize as malicious his policy of investing Russian funds in Western securities. Then, do the same with Siluanov.


      Dear Dmitry, in no case on Red Square, because, as in the famous joke, a crowd of people wishing to participate in the rally will run up, and even on the “Bis” a couple of times, they’ll definitely run away. It is necessary to be quiet, and preferably all together, at a time the entire "ensemble" of government. wassat
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 49 New
        -3
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        . It is necessary tichenko, and preferably all together, at a time the whole "ensemble" of government

        In addition to Shoigu, Lavrov, Putin, Ivanov and Rogozin
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 8 November 2015 22: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          . It is necessary tichenko, and preferably all together, at a time the whole "ensemble" of government

          In addition to Shoigu, Lavrov, Putin, Ivanov and Rogozin

          Minus without explanation. As usual, in the style of populists
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 6 November 2015 13: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        It is necessary to be quiet, and preferably all together, at a time the entire "ensemble" of government.

        I do not agree. It was on the "Red" and publicly, so that the rest was not discouraged. But for the fact that all together - I will support. Just cry, put a candle, and go to work.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 23: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: ARES623
          I do not agree. It was on the "Red" and publicly, so that the rest was not discouraged. But for the fact that all together - I will support. Just cry, put a candle, and go to work.

          Dear Dmitry, well, this is about the square, Colleague, is nothing more than a joke in terms of analogy with a banal anecdote. Which in no way reduces my deepest hostility to our government, as a result of which I absolutely agree with your thought about a one-time mourning and at work. yes
          Something like this. hi
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 November 2015 07: 27 New
    +3
    Oh really! And no one noticed that, to the noise of the devaluation and difficulties of the Russian economy, "dismantling" and purges at the echelons of power at the level of governor senators began. And it became more difficult to cut the budget, and foreign accounts and assets were forbidden to deputies of ALL levels. And now they have taken up the economy. Slowly, slowly, without too much pump - monstrous money is being pumped into the military-industrial complex, this money is promoting production in many areas. Personally, I notice how they are advancing in microelectronics and instrument engineering, and the requirements to supply strictly Russian equipment with the smallest possible import component sound louder. And the second one. The huge self-sufficient country of Russia did not bother at all because of sanctions, and Russia's agriculture was even delighted!
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The huge self-sufficient country of Russia did not bother at all because of sanctions, and Russia's agriculture was even delighted!


      I am moved by these Muscovites when they already understand that chicken and bread are not growing in a supermarket. request
    2. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 6 November 2015 13: 29 New
      -1
      how close are you to agriculture there?
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 7 November 2015 01: 42 New
        +2
        question vashchet arrow was
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 7 November 2015 03: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Leshy74
          question vashchet arrow was


          Dear Leshiy, that you would understand whom you are addressing, make a footnote of his comment through "quote". You will be better understood, colleague. hi
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 6 November 2015 07: 31 New
    +5
    Our economic bloc should not dance on the bones of the economy, and together go on ... the Kuril Islands! To rebuild the infrastructure.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 6 November 2015 08: 04 New
      +2
      Reserve buildbat
      Our economic bloc should not dance on the bones of the economy, and together go on ... the Kuril Islands! To rebuild the infrastructure.
      But alas! Just NOT OUR economic block with its liberal market rotten brains THIS is able to UNDERSTAND!
      1. voronbel53
        voronbel53 6 November 2015 08: 44 New
        +5
        The economic bloc of the government should be changed for a long time in a striped robe or, at worst, - in long-sleeved shirts, tied on the back, otherwise we will not see good luck ...
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 7 November 2015 03: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Tatiana
        But alas! Just NOT OUR economic block with its liberal market rotten brains THIS is able to UNDERSTAND!


        You are cool about them, Dear Tatyana. Cool, but perhaps true. laughing
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    3. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 6 November 2015 09: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Our economic bloc should not dance on the bones of the economy, and together go on ... the Kuril Islands! To rebuild the infrastructure.


      Dear Ivan, if the entot block comes to the Kuril Islands, then the last may not be great to say hello, because there were no builders in this block. But you cannot let saw cutters in the Kuril Islands, because of the lack of a budget, they will destroy the last trees there. yes
    4. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: stock buildbat
      go on ... Kuriles!

      No, on the Kuril Islands is not necessary, they will eat all the crabs there
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 6 November 2015 13: 18 New
        +3
        To the Kuril Islands. Under tight control. Fulfilled the norm - received soldering. Not performed - drink some water. Nautical. Useful, they say.
        1. polkovnik manuch
          polkovnik manuch 8 November 2015 20: 23 New
          0
          There is nothing for them to do in the Kuril Islands, they will ruin nature (I've been there, I know), grow their bastards in the tundra to grow tomatoes or radish. And feed only according to the results of work!
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 November 2015 07: 43 New
    +1
    One info differ from another.
    Fortune telling on an oil barrel is a thankless task. Especially not knowing what is in the minds of the same Arabs.
    Time will tell.
  • 31rus
    31rus 6 November 2015 07: 56 New
    +1
    Everything is right "course to the West" and the production of more oil, no one has canceled, the show continues
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 6 November 2015 08: 28 New
    +3
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...
    And not only the bottle is in stock. Regardless of the price of oil.
    "First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov instructed departments to work out the opportunity to accelerate the sale of large assets" regardless of poor conditions, "...".
    "The proponent of privatization at any price is the head of the working group to create an international financial center in Moscow, Alexander Voloshin ...."

    "The government is returning to the idea of ​​privatization."
    https://news.mail.ru/economics/23873570/?frommail=1
    So, rob and steal while it's hot. And drink champagne. Regardless of the price of oil.

    Quote: SPACE
    ... all in varying degrees, one way or another, but they themselves owe their state! by the very fact of his birth, ....

    You haven’t messed up anything? Although the authorities think so. All owe them. By birthright.
  • 34 region
    34 region 6 November 2015 08: 33 New
    +1
    Naive people! They do not know how to raise oil prices! Yes, invite our oil industry representatives to consultants! They will teach you how to do it. Our gasoline price is constantly growing. Although perhaps this is our trade secret.
    1. anip
      anip 6 November 2015 09: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: 34 region
      Naive people! They do not know how to raise oil prices! Yes, invite our oil industry representatives to consultants! They will teach you how to do it. Our gasoline price is constantly growing.

      The keyword is "with us." Over the hill, these cunning "representatives of the oil industry" in the "Opera", and not "Toyota". What is the price of oil? Well, where are all these "representatives" who can only raise prices in a separate territory?
  • Cams
    Cams 6 November 2015 08: 39 New
    -5
    Quote: 34 region
    And if we were selling machines, then the profit would be even higher. I'm afraid we have a good sale of weapons too.

    Do you think many would buy our machines, with existing sanctions? ))
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 08: 51 New
      +1
      Already the BRICS countries could buy without problems.
      1. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 54 New
        -1
        Quote: 34 region
        Already the BRICS countries could buy without problems.

        BRICS countries have enough
        And even Japan bought Soviet machines.

        I agree, only in reality it was exactly the opposite
    2. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 09: 12 New
      +4
      And even Japan bought Soviet machines.
    3. anip
      anip 6 November 2015 09: 14 New
      +10
      Quote: KAMLS
      Do you think many would buy our machines, with existing sanctions? ))

      Lord, MYSELF would at least provide the machinery.
    4. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 52 New
      0
      Quote: KAMLS
      Quote: 34 region
      And if we were selling machines, then the profit would be even higher. I'm afraid we have a good sale of weapons too.

      Do you think many would buy our machines, with existing sanctions? ))

      They would not buy at all, in the absence of.
  • pat
    pat 6 November 2015 09: 00 New
    -1
    Talking about the cost of oil! Why, do you have something from this?
    Revenues from the sale of natural resources should be distributed among the citizens of Russia, and how?
    What to develop a country for? - on those fiscal taxes that strangle the Russian economy.
    The government acts according to the formula, come on + shuruy shuruy = then we’ll calculate, and the fact that the Russians x ... oh yes no, it’s already visible ... c.
  • anip
    anip 6 November 2015 09: 12 New
    +4
    The Ministry of Economic Development is preparing to once again adjust its forecasts ...

    The Ministry of Economic Development has long been renamed the Ministry of Sale of Raw Materials.

    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...

    Well, yes, there’s no mind in order to build plants and factories, and all that remains for the economist ministers is to dance and say: "We do not sow and do not plow, we just jump and dance."
  • Bagno new
    Bagno new 6 November 2015 09: 25 New
    0
    so what in Russia will not make a breakthrough in industrialization? money nemeryannom ... well, we have here in oh squirrel full p ... but so is Russia a world power !!! we have a bald man clearly living off the peeling of the narod .. due to, so to speak, the domestic consumer and his robbery ... but in Russia everything is different .. the richest country in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
    1. 34 region
      34 region 6 November 2015 09: 59 New
      +1
      Fast forward is the result of a good kick in the back. No one to kick. There is no jerk.
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 10: 56 New
      0
      Quote: BagnoNew
      so what in Russia will not make a breakthrough in industrialization? money nemeryannom ... well, we have here in oh squirrel full p ... but so is Russia a world power !!! we have a bald man clearly living off the peeling of the narod .. due to, so to speak, the domestic consumer and his robbery ... but in Russia everything is different .. the richest country in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

      Sanctions hinder the purchase of machines, and its produce is no longer possible due to lack of personnel
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 6 November 2015 14: 10 New
        +1
        and what hinders the production of personnel? - sanctions?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 7 November 2015 15: 17 New
        0
        What sanctions do not interfere with the purchase, especially machines, full of people who do business bypassing all sorts of prohibitions.
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 7 November 2015 01: 10 New
      0
      Quote: BagnoNew
      So why in Russia they will not make a breakthrough as in industrialization?

      Too much is spent on the construction and maintenance of that “umbrella”, under which, by the way, you also live, catch sprats, increase apple crops tenfold, etc. (in case the checkbox matches)
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 6 November 2015 09: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: anip
    The Ministry of Economic Development has long been renamed the Ministry of Sale of Raw Materials.

    It’s clear that it’s necessary, because the name is actually very strange and does not correspond to reality: Min-well, it seems, as it is, Economy Well, there’s no such thing, but Development, it’s generally from the realm of science fiction, though scientific, even not scientific. fellow
  • anip
    anip 6 November 2015 10: 32 New
    +4
    Somehow taG:
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 17 New
      +2
      And in this country the third most influential person lives in the World:
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 18 New
      +2
      In such a ...
    3. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 6 November 2015 13: 19 New
      +1
      And what from this???
  • Hens
    Hens 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
    0
    The author is a clown.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 6 November 2015 11: 25 New
    +4
    The rotten eggs of the government - an economic bloc is an anchor that pulls the entire economy to a collapse, they cannot even formulate, but what to do to save the economy, about the development of the economy, its recovery, they have nothing to do with it - neither intelligence, nor desire, nor professionalism utter mediocrity, irresponsibility bordering on criminal negligence, if the PRESIDENT does not see this, I am ashamed of such a president, then it turns out that shots such as a tubercula, khoroshavin, a geyser were not appointed without casualties, but this nomenclature of the PRESIDENT, like the whole government, is including the economic block.
    1. LvKiller
      LvKiller 6 November 2015 21: 11 New
      0
      Every Thursday, people are discharged to sick children for treatment and do it just fine. What prevents to dump on even more good deed? When will we understand that a sentence - “nothing depends on us” - is a dumb lie? It is thanks to our gullibility that we still have topics for discussion of the impostors who occupied Russia.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 6 November 2015 11: 49 New
    +1
    On the one hand, if oil prices creep up - that's good, we can do without internal shocks. But on the other hand, we will not see the bottom of the crisis and do not understand the "genius" of our economic bloc. Although ordinary people already see this, Putin’s government is completely satisfied with the work, everyone understands everything, everyone smiles at each other ...
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 November 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    The production is not reduced in order to raise the price, to the delight of our invisible hand. And because there was an overstock, all the storages of the main importers are already full of cheap oil to the eyeballs, tankers with oil for China have been waiting for unloading for months on raids. In general, demand has fallen; there is nowhere to store it; one has to reduce production.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 6 November 2015 12: 51 New
    +1
    The fact that mattresses make a fool of their shale oil is very likely! Is shale technology cheaper? Yes, and whom? overseas ...
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 6 November 2015 14: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: KAMLS
    “Oil needle” is a catchphrase. Nothing more. And it’s good that we have oil, and it’s good that we trade it. And it’s good that this money goes under smart command to the development of industry.

    Well, you gave a blunder! Something no government project can bring our economy out of the oil coma, our government can not publish, not to develop a plan for the development of industry. and, in general, it slipped to the state of the economy and attempts to curb inflation with methods that choke just the very industry that needs to be developed! And while governments blindly follow the dogma of building liberal capitalism, nothing will happen to our economy when the state withdraws from economic management, hoping for the interest of liberal capitalists. There are no development plans - there is no development per se, but there is only an extension of the speculation process, which inevitably leads to a new economic crisis! hi
  • ermolai
    ermolai 6 November 2015 16: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    and in our Krasnodar Territory the price tags for products do not have time to change.

    which way? if the increase, then nefig shares with you, if in Krasnodar where the stick stuck in the ground grows, and the animal can be kept grazing year round in the steppe.
  • bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 6 November 2015 17: 32 New
    +3
    What the hell is going on in Russia? The country occupies 1/6 of the land. It has everything and in countless quantities. It can calmly develop independently without any reference to the price of oil, gas, etc., for any technology can be obtained for resources, and if they stubborn, it’s easy to steal the benefit of intelligence officers in the USSR who have gained vast experience in this matter). The Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development are all academics and doctors of science, experienced and venerable, but like complete stupid people pray for the price of oil. It is necessary to drive out these stupid things with a filthy broom and put people who will build financial and economic policies on making money, and not on baryzhnosti resources.
    1. LvKiller
      LvKiller 6 November 2015 21: 08 New
      +1
      "honest businessmen", colloquially - swindlers, built a world system when the one who has everything - oil, gas, coal, metals, clean water, still alive people - walks and shaves, its currency is garbage. And the great European woman, in whom there is no tattered tree, to burn in the stove in winter, so as not to glue the fins - they are on horseback. Otozh, the great enlightened Euro-scum. But this situation is not for long, I assure you.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 6 November 2015 18: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Sveles
    See a meeting of the RAS report of the doctor of geological and mineralogical sciences Polivanov. In short, the meaning of such OIL is a RENEWABLE SOURCE, like wood, for example, old oil fields give oil again, so oil prices will not creep further and build the country's economy only on the sale of oil and gas is foolish and shortsighted. Watch everyone.

    The meaning, in short, is this: you look in a book and you see a fig. And someone pluses this for you.
    The video is presented hypothesis originally hydride Earth, which in modern science has not found a theoretical or experimental justification. Therefore, a fanatical caps and screams should be held.

    Next, your logic is limping on both legs. It turns out that if the forest is a renewable resource, then the woodworking industry, the production of paints, furniture, building materials is good, and if oil and gas are renewable (according to this theory), then the production of fuels and lubricants, the same paints, chemical products, medicines - it is very bad and economically disadvantageous. Logic went out for a walk?

    Obviously, diversification of the economy is necessary, it is necessary to develop, but the denial of the profitability and economic benefits of oil and gas production is unreasonable and ridiculous.

    Especially in the context of an increase in the population of the Earth, an increase in production and a shortage of food products - all this requires an increase in energy production and, in the future, new types of organic synthesis from hydrocarbon raw materials.
  • LvKiller
    LvKiller 6 November 2015 21: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    where did the USSR go?


    If it were not just you, the dear, and the Greatest and Greatest in the world - the Lamp of US Democracy - that would be shaky, you would both be safely in the same place where the USSR is now. To such questions, I usually answer that a person is simply dense and uninformed.
  • bannik
    bannik 7 November 2015 20: 52 New
    0
    Oh, if our “economic block” not only knew how to dance!
  • NordUral
    NordUral 7 November 2015 22: 52 New
    0
    In the economic bloc of the Russian government in such a case, a bottle of sparkling wine and new shoes with tap rings should already be in store ...
    And among the people - pitchforks for especially liberal ones.
  • Old old
    Old old 7 November 2015 23: 57 New
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    Quote: Letun
    Well, yes, they say that Lenin’s famous statement that any cook can rule the state ended with the phrase: “at a price of oil of $ 100 per barrel”


    No need to repeat liberal notions. Here is the original:
    In the article “Will the Bolsheviks Hold State Power?” (Originally published in October 1917 in Issues 1–2 of the journal Enlightenment), Lenin wrote:
    We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not capable of immediately taking control of the state. In this we agree with the Cadets, and with Breshkovskaya, and with Tsereteli. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry out the everyday, daily work of the administration, only rich or from wealthy families officials can take. We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it be started immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training.
    V. I. Lenin Complete Works, ed. 5th. - M .: Publishing house of political literature, 1981. - T. 34. - S. 289—339. Wikipedia
  • Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 8 November 2015 09: 26 New
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    I offer the easiest and most effective way to get off the oil and gas needle. To legislatively limit oil production to 500 million tons per year in our country. As for deforestation, fishing, etc. And stop regulating manually the price of petroleum products in the country, and in the Crimea already A92 has become in short supply recently! This is the leading country in the extraction of raw materials!
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    Seneca 8 November 2015 14: 31 New
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    Remember the old song: "Think of the Homeland before, and then about yourself!" and the Motherland and the People are a single whole and while the People will endure “shift workers”, “effective managers” and “swamps” in the vastness of the Motherland, nothing good will happen, corruption (in all echelons of power!) must be fought not in words but in practice . I heard Serdyukov again “surfaced” or is it a joke, if the joke is very bad, but if the purpose is real, then this is generally .......